 IMAGIN! MAwana, magingen mende a 끝나 kwa ya ma battery to replace na incambint, nik muendoa. Kapu manua ni turiki watu ma jeinkailu na kwa maikana, mawa na maika metu kwa na insufiya wa na moksilu kwa kwa mokulisha. Nko tata kawabia wata kwa uza mafisikatatata maja. Robato Osoro Maibo kususu jмujii na jmujii, kwa omi wa hoi kwa nyinyo pwede yom jizu wa, itu jkwa na manyu tu. Hwia kwa watu? thank you jmujii kwa mwyo kwa kwa kwa kwa mwyo kolu. We were talking with three delegates from Kisumu and you've been getting actively involved in Mata's football as well because it's been a short span of around a few years before 2013, 2016, I served as a Neku member for Nyonza. So you were passionate about football. I understand it is still in existence but not very active like it was during your tenure. How do you seek to revive it? I think the structures are there. When I was a Neku member, I became now chairman for beach football and Fusal. So we had a team in the coast. They have been playing beach football for some time in the coast branch. There are teams there. Even we went to Tanzania for the competition in the preceding year. So it's something that I'm really advocating for since where I come from in Nyonza, Lake Victoria area there, there's so many beaches that the youth will put in structures and curriculum according to FIFA rules so that they can also register teams and can participate. Getting for them a coach who is vast with beach football matters and then we start. Yes, those are one of my pillars that I'm running on and also running on the issue of the women's football. Ya, you can remember in the last past they've been doing very well but we need to professionalize it. I think the way it was being run was not so good because when they go to camp you find when the women team go to camp and the ones playing in the Kenya team, they allowances normally vary. You find them they are being paid 500 and the Arambestas people are paying 10,000. Those are the issues that we need to because if they are playing for the national team, the disparity in the women's football needs to be structured. They are also playing for the national team. So those allowances need to be at par. Before we get into the deeper deep inside of women's football and beach football dom, for the audience and me, we want to understand you are running now for the football Kenya presidency. That's a big job that you are going for it and everyone out there has got that dream of what football in Kenya is and what football in Kenya should be and where we should be at the moment. What is that dream for you? As I started before where I come from in Nyanza and western, those are the bedrock of football in this country and now football is played in 47 countries. What I wanted to do is to work with the 47 counties so that we can put a curriculum on a long term program of youth. In schools we make them centers, universities are there and secondary schools. So we have a curriculum that development of football from those onset for 5 years up to that's a long term program. The counties now have seen the mud rush for making surfaces, playing surfaces, stadium for all 47 counties and indeed they have a ministry of sports. We will be working with them so that we can achieve this so that if we have a long term program for developing the youth team, it will be able to feed the other leagues and the rambestas for the whole 47 counties. That is what I am running. Those are one of the pillars I am running, I have offered myself to do when I am elected as president of FKF. So we have seen other candidates who are also seeking to get elected the president of football Kenya federation crying for over lack of some level playing ground and you know that will favor the fair and transparent outcome. But you said that you know elections should take place in August this year. Actually we are in August, today is first. How possible is that? All I was saying is that we were putting pressure so that they can put the 96 delegates. And this delegate I hear next week the president is supposed to do an announcement so that the branch elections are repeated again. So that many people that were left out will be able to now join. Doing the sub branch elections is normally for 270 constituencies will become kind of cumbersome. It is better to do the branch elections first, let the people who were locked out during that time because it seems it was suiting one candidate. So let them football is about fair play, let them be included those who want to run and then they can choose these delegates in a more proper manner. And I think that is going to happen, that would be a good milestone. And then they can call the stakeholders together, the people who are running so that we can put a proper and fair electoral code so that we can do these elections. With the covid issue now elections can be done electronically. Yes. They can be done if 96 delegates can be able to do social distancing in a hall and do their vote. It's possible once we put in these codes and regulation so that it is fair play. That all candidates can come, they will be satisfied that they can be running on a proper platform. Kenyans are tired of these FKF rangos and all that. I think they need to start telling their policies to my colleagues that we are running with. It is good you have said that Kenyans are tired of the FKF rangos. All the time we are actually in that circle, FKF rangos, FKF rangos. How can you get them all off in that you start with an open fresh office that does not have any problems, in that we can say let's forgive and forget this one is done, let's start afresh. The rangos come because of the interest. In my opinion, I think if you are running for FKF presidency, if not having any interest that you have a football club that you own, that brings conflict of interest. People who are running for this office should be able to work for all teams whether in top tier league, second division, NSL, they should not have any interest as a regulator. You need to be going for the presidency to work for the whole leagues, the properties of FKF, those are the leagues. The properties of FKF are the leagues, that's what they own and they regulate football in the whole 47 counties. So rangos come in when they are now interest, different interests and people want clubs that they want to push in and all that. For me, when I was elected as a NEC member for Nyanza, I managed to push a community club that is Moroni Youth to play in Kenya Premier League. I also managed to make sure that the teams which were playing in Kenya Premier League, that is Sony Sugar where I come from, mumias and you can see they have really gone down, they were relegated and there is now a club that was called Palos, it's now called Kisumu All Stars. I think they will be playing very soon to know who comes now to the league to play for Kenya Premier League. Apparently now there is no team from Nyanza that you can say will go until that playoff is done. So those rangos are the ones which interest. And the major one is KPL, Football Kenya Federation Rangol. That one has been the major issue for you getting on to the office, if you are elected, how will you play that card to make sure that Kenya Premier League and Football Kenya Federation are running in one voice, working in one voice and working as a team? Since Kenya Premier League is owned by FKF, in my opinion if I am elected I will extend the contract, but I will put addendums in that all those teams which are participating in FKF Premier League, they form a company, all of them so that they can run the league in a more transparent manner under FKF. Yes, because you've been seeing issues of sponsorship is a problem because even this issue of sponsorship that is now going on, the players which are in top tier league that is Kenya Premier League, they should know what FKF is selling, they should know how much, because they are selling properties that they have, which is KPL top tier league, there is NSL, there is FKF division one and all women football, those are what they own. And those companies are interested in terms of media rights and what they will be getting in terms of advertisement. So it is imperative that all these teams that are in KPL must be seen, must be shown the contract so that they can see what they are really entering into. I think that would bring transparency, it's a good thing to have sponsorship because it's not now, but it should be done in a more structured manner so that they know that this is the amount of the money that we are signing off. Even though if the contractors disclose an issue which should not be disclosed, but they need to gritty on issues of matches that they are selling, because that's what whatever bet king or whoever is buying those rights are interested in, they must know. Osoro, you and I have been here and we've been preaching objective, it's no candidate we are associated with, it's glad term is coming through, but there are a lot of candidates who have declared the interest to get elected FKF president, Sam Nyamwea, the former president, Nikolas Musoni, the long-saving football administrator, he also served as Secretary General of Sikafa, Habat Mashiro, the renowned football commentator, Bonfa Soseno, the football writer, a lot of them, but I think there is a question coming in through from one pollat where he says, I like Alila's Otsoritun TV, but having heard of him and the other candidates who have been the usual names in Kenyan football, what exceptional agenda does he have in store? Yes, when you are starting the program, I started outlining my agenda that I want to do. Maybe he wants to hear exceptional agenda. Exceptional agenda have mentioned the issues of the things players welfare is very imperative, because without players there is no football, without playing surfaces those are the raw materials in football, those are the issues that I want to run on and improve, and issues of sponsorship and training of referees, coaches and working with the counties. Those are my main objectives and also to improve issues of, if I'm answering, issues of women football and the long-term youth program development of youth, because you can see even when these players according to FIFA rules, when they go out, the places where they got developed normally, when they now play professional football, it's normally one check, because where the footballers were developed in an early age, they normally give preferences even if now they are playing in EPL. So if we put those structures, you can find Kenya's 50 million population, a country like Ivory Coast has only maybe 15 or 20, but they have 60 people playing in EPL, yet us we have only 5. So those are the disparities that I want to correct by having a proper development team structure from these 47 countries, curriculum based with FIFA, working with teachers and all that, and then we should be able to improve. It cannot be done in 4 years, but if we have a long-term programs, then the Rambesters selection will not be done only in Nairobi, the way it's being done. It will be all over the country, because the talents are there. That is my, that's what I stand for. Corporate responsibilities are an essential aspect as far as growth of NSporting discipline is concerned. We've had corporates who are scared of investing in Kenyan sports because of the accountability concern. I don't know, for you maybe what new are you bringing on board that will entice these corporates to start coming back into Kenyan football because long time ago we saw the likes of Safaricom, though right now as you speak there is Chapadimba being sponsored by the Safaricom leading mobile service provider locally. How do you seek going about it to revive the corporate support of Kenyan sports and especially football, which you seek to serve? Corporate structures who are dragging their feet because of the formation of the way the teams are formed, the clubs are formed. Big clubs like Gormay and FC Leopard should be limited company. They must have a small other company which is limited by liability, which means that they are directors that these corporates can normally deal with in terms of structuring sponsorship. But when they are just wholesome like that, it's corporate find out how to engage them if there is no proper structure. Those are the issues that I want to outline. You can see Kenya Premier League has run football very well because it's a limited liability company which it has directors. So corporate circles, they prefer to deal in such issues where there is engagement in corporate levels in terms of if they don't do ABCD then they can be recourse. But when it is amorphous like we have in our teams, I think the big clubs like KFC and Gormay have been trying to work out on that so that they can have directors. And even what I was suggesting in KPL, if the clubs that are playing in KPL, they form a company, it will be easy to structure sponsorship. But when they amorphous like that, it's become a problem. Kaf lansasing is a priority for you to help these clubs. Yes, it will be able to help the clubs and restructure so that they can also exploit their rights in terms of media and other sponsorship programs. You can see countries like Nigeria, Ghana and all that. Normally the national team exploits those rights themselves with different TV companies or different sponsorships. So those are the issues that we want to bring in. So which means you are not reading from the same script with Nick Mwenda, the current boss because for him the tenure for Kenya Premier League limited, you know the likes of Jaco Guda, Franco Koth is coming to an end in September this year. And that's why they are pushing for the top tier to be run and managed by Football Kenya Federation independent team. And of course the league now getting renamed to FKF Premier League considering that now we have a new sponsor in Bet King. For you, you saying that KPL has done a commendable job. For them they hold counter opinion. Who is right? I don't want to drag myself on who is right and who is wrong but all I'm saying is that Kenya top tier league KPL is a property of FKF but they need to have now some different structures on how that is run under FKF because FKF would be as a regulator it will be overwhelmed by running such leagues. It's better now to decentralize them and putting what I'm saying they become a company the way the KPL has. I know they have been having issues on how they operate and all that because of the contract they were in that time which other federations have been other people who came in even in our time we used to push and pull all the time because they say we have to go this way but then they say this is the right way to go. But if those issues are structured then we will be home and dry. FKF is a regulator even though they own those properties but they can decentralize it to be a company KPL can just be a company but working under FKF that is my opinion. But they have the whole mandate of running and managing Kenyan football in general which means they can do whatever they want. I mean under FKF those little nitty gritty structures must be sorted out before now you give out that independence but they work under FKF that's the constitution. There is a team that met a few weeks ago led by Samishole former deputy president of football Kenyan federation alongside Lord Vikaduda, Gormaya chief executive officer Tuahambarak coastal based businessman and football administrator as well and they are calling themselves Akokas that will seek to produce one for me devil candidate that would unseat the incumbent Nick Muendro. How come you are not part of them? Well for me I prefer selling my own ideas on my own but if they can be talking because they are also stakeholders in football but it will be interesting to know who will be running for presidency and who will be the running mate. I am not access to what structures they are having with that kind of engagement but for me personally as Tom I prefer to sell my policies and talk to delegates what I can do for them as an independent candidate. I don't criticize that as much but for me I will be running on my own accord. So you are not seeking any like minded partnerships? I think if they put the stockholders meetings are called then we can talk and we will be able to agree on where we go because they are serious stakeholders also in the game. For football any sport to function in a country the major stakeholders in football have to work one on one with the government of the day, the government in power of the day. Here in Kenya for a very long time most of the time our football leaders are at loggerheads with the government. We can have a chance that the government give a football Kenya federation money to go to the Africa Cup of Nations, the audit is done, the football Kenya federation have problems with government concerning accountability but not even finances only that but you bring in the issue of the counties working with the county government and all that. As a leading candidate going on to these elections what will be your link between government and football Kenya federation? How will you make it work together and talk in one voice? I think the government is one of the biggest sponsors in football or in sports matters. Even when the federation is normally stuck the government comes in. It would be imperative for them to be especially for me running for president. We will be working very closely with the government so that we can follow those rules that they need especially when they give their money and it is used in a proper manner. There is no bigger sponsor than the government of Kenya and you've seen the government went for the first time in this country the government went and put in our constitution an arbitration which is called SDT. Very few countries have that to sort out arbitration issues in football. I think that is a big milestone. It is constituted in our constitution and decisions which they normally give even if they have problems they run there. If others take orders also have problems they run there. So it is a big milestone and all the decisions that they make need to be respected because our constitution is above FIFA. So FIFA need to know that we have sports dispute resolution mechanism in that SDT which must be respected. And it is in law. And now the major part for me is professionalism. I think in Kenya the first sports organization was registered back in 1946 and we have other sports events coming up to today. But there is no major sport in Kenya that you can say that we have pure professionals or major professionals playing in that sport. How are you planning to make football in Kenya become a professional sport in that many kids can dream and say that my dream is to play football as a professional? Yes, with the ambition that I was talking about like when I was giving an example of where I come from and in western side where football, a lot of footballers even in this FKF leagues also they were managed from people from western and yonza and also other places. But if you have a sound program, the curriculum I am talking about about development and it is well structured we should be able to achieve all these issues if it is done in a proper manner with the counties and all that with these curriculums that FIFA has put for development of football. If it is run to the letter then we should be able to excel. Other countries have already excelled in this by having a long term youth program that can feed the other leagues for these properties I keep on talking about the FKF they will love the counties competing among others then talent also seen, coaching will be done in a proper way because they are teachers now in schools and all that they are easier to train because they understand and also football is about making playing surfaces you cannot just have major stadiums but you don't if you are going to, I am proposing to develop in schools maybe they are done half fields you know for training during those curriculums we make for them proper surfaces like the one we did in Kisumu it is one of the top class surface of football it was really done very well and if we can do them maybe half fields in schools then skills will be there because you cannot start from grass and it is not even even when you are passing the ball you get a lot of injuries so those are the issues that I want to propagate and I can achieve them Tom, I have just realized you are skeptical in your answers and you are sort of reluctant to share the final details of your candidacy but it looks like most of the people watching are interested in knowing who you are running met is my good friend Oliver Bob Morgan the top photographer for sports in town is asking who is your running met and what is your take on you know bet king's ponzaring, Kenyan football bearing in mind that some teams have rejected the money but most of all who are you picking as your running met we are still early we are talking we are negotiating we need to come up with very soon I will unveil my running met according to Rubas you still football issues of electoral code is still in Alimbo we don't know when the elections are going to be done and all that but it also gives me time to look around and find who can be suitable as my running met on issues of bet king the way I stated here if I am answering the person who has asked the question those agreements that FKF entered even though there is now no neck the president has got no authority to engage it has to be approved by all these issues must be approved by neck if at all they did that with bet king but when they were unveiling the sponsorship I didn't see neck members I just saw the president I didn't even see the bet king people but that's why I am insisting that KPL top clubs must have this agreement and scrutinize on what FKF is selling they must know and scrutinize and ask those hard questions that's why you see they are shying away because prove is a campaign gimmick or even media people it could be true I have not seen the contract I would be wrong to say start criticizing it but since there was no sponsorship in place I support if they can come in in a clean manner so that all these FKF premium clubs can scrutinize that contract why should other teams reject the money in the event that the sponsorship is legitimate all I heard in the newspapers from the media that the money was transferred but I have not heard anybody confirming that they have gotten that's why it would be improper for me maybe as a candidate you ought to have been in contact with those clubs and inquire further like the team you support, Gormaya I know my when you are running for FKF president you are neutral you cannot say that Gormaya is my team but I think one of the top tier league Ambrose right here I think went to the federation to scrutinize that contract but I have never heard him make any statement about it I also heard my friend in Sopa Kalekwa saying that they have seen those paperwork but we have not seen really the niti griti in that sponsorship all I am saying it needs to be transparent let the KPL teams scrutinize it and ask those pertinent questions in it I spoke to Ambrose right here a month ago and he said that the annual spending is almost over 10 million and considering the money awarded to the league sponsor it is really small is there a way that you seek to go about increasing the amount awarded to the team that gets an opportunity to be crowned the champions of the top tier because what you spent in Nair surpasses what you get if you win the league isn't that funny it needs to be still goes to structuring in this sponsorship because some companies come in to use those big clubs to market whatever they want to do in betting and all that that's why it is imperative they scrutinize and they have huge budgets in that you can see they have not paid players for a very long time and go to 6-8 months that's why it is better for them to scrutinize what are these what are these matches FKF is selling and what are these rights for media what are the percentages even though the contractor has not disclosed issues which we don't need to do what percentage the federation is getting and the person who brought in it's none of our business but they need to scrutinize and see what is in there for them you see like super sport sponsorship it was well structured and they could budget for it it was something that was open and they could say we are buying this if you play 308 matches this is what we are going to pay and on the media rights if we beam all these matches this is what we are going to pay so for this I have not seen it would be difficult for me to comment on an agreement on an agreement that I have not seen but if I am elected I would structure that it would be more transparent than this it would be a third contract which would be going for even public to scrutinize you and I know that several Kenyans are passionate about European football English, Premier League and considering that today Arsenal is playing against Chelsea in the FA Cup final if there was a league action at that particular time most of them wouldn't watch go to Nyaya National Stadium for a flight like Thai or cut the proceedings of what is happening overseas I don't know there is this aspect of value for your money I am coming to the stadium what will I get of course I am giving 200 buck to watch a game of Apaka against Chemilil Sugar is there a way you seek to go about it in terms of ensuring that you know fans get what they expect there is a procation of what is going on to catch a league action because this second tier games like National Super League and even games that were being organized by Usain Mohammad Extreme Super Challenge used to attract huge crowds and like Kenyan Premier League even when Arambestaz is playing against let's say Tanzania if it's not free entry most fans won't show up what has been the problem first considering that you've served football before and coming from that point you might have if I can start with KPL the biggest clubs that are following is Gormaia and most of these clubs are corporate sponsored and some of them are personal owned by private people like Sofa Apaka and all the rest Gormaia and FC Leopard traditionally has got very many fans but all I am saying that if we start this issues of the counties and we start those the system I am talking about they will be owning those clubs and they will know that these are our clubs that are going to fight in the county and all that they will attract a lot of crowd so they will own that's why you find Dimba Super Dimba they were going through Chapa Dimba teams which are in the countryside so it was a lot of fans used to come and they know those players culturally so if we go through that route then we will be bringing people back to the study they will be owning these teams from machinanian in counties so how do you rate Mwenbo? it's done it's beats I think there are things that he has done I don't want to be a critic of criticism but there are things that he has done many was FKF president I don't want to bring in and drag issues on what he has done I think Kenyans have seen what he has done for themselves and during his tenure he has also things that he has achieved by putting when we were in office we didn't have a place to meet we used to meet at the swimming pool during jamuea style now you have an office you give credit where it's due and just to call aspect of the game allowance is being paid in time but to him again he is running for a second term he should be able to tell Kenyans what he has achieved, what he promised and what he didn't do and what he is now going to do again in this coming election so that people delegates can weigh and say if these are the correct those things that you promised when you were elected and you did half then he should be able to explain to the delegates what is going to improve but as we are now starting we are selling now our policies what we will do different from him so I think he needs to come and tell Kenyans he gives the Kenyans a skokad on what he has done and delegates and even all these colleagues of mine that are running they need to come and start selling what they will do differently the delegates must see that's why even these issues of people who were elected with Nick that they think that if Nick is elected then they will have an easy ride automatic easy ride they need to start hitting the ground and talk to these delegates these delegates are not voting machines because there are some people just waiting that it will be a suit once Nick is elected all those votes is going to run on it it is not going to be what they are worth and they need to show what they have done to the delegates and delegates should not be used as voting machines they should weigh each and everybody running and then they choose the best person to run football in this country politics has got no permanent friendship and enmity is there a probability that you can work again with Sam Nyamua he is also seeking to get elected the president and you served under him some time back between 2013 to 2016 I think I want to cut on my own image as Tom I don't want to say that but negotiations are open to negotiations but I want to cut my own image not being lumped by I worked with so on so I think he did his bit also he should also come and say he is running for president what he is going to do differently but I served as a Nick member and the achievement that I did I was involved in bringing Kisumu Stadium which is being played the surface is one of the best surfaces in this country even though the world the counties they could not do them but it's a good surface and bringing all those community clubs like Muroni Youth and these palos now change Kisumu World Stars have achievements that have done so all these people also need to come and say what they have done so Tom this is your camera in the next few seconds you are parting shots to Kenyan football fraternity with regards to what you seek to do for Kenyan football in case elected FKF president just give your final words I'm asking the president of football FKF president to call stakeholders meeting so that we can put this electoral code with all stakeholders football is not about abusing one another calling names we need to reason out the electoral code so that the elections can be free and fair he's now saying he's going to do the branch elections everybody needs to be included in football once you have done certificate of good conduct and EACC approval the other ones really don't matter football is about fair play let everybody come in and say what he can do differently the delegates are also appealing to them not to be used, I've said to be voting machines we need to check each one of us who is running for these offices and let the best man come with the policies that they can work with they need to sell what they are standing for and what they can do different from the president who is currently there that's all I can appeal to them that the election should be free and fair and the delegates should use their imagination to ask had questions with these candidates who are running that they will do things differently from whatever they are talking or they are selling that's all I can tell them excellent conversation with Toma Lila man who is seeking to get elected the president of football Kenya Federation he served as FKF NEC representative in Nyanza and he says if elected he will revive the dwindling standards of beach football and of course he is very optimistic of winning saying that he will be unveiling his running met very soon to negotiations from other candidate but of course just urging them to sell their agenda imperatively and tell the delegates what they have in store for Kenyan football in case they get the mandate to run the Kenyan soccer it's been an honor having you on board Toma thank you for coming through and we wish you the very best thank you so much hopefully you will not fail to pick calls after getting elected when we call you back what you see is what you get I'll be picking the calls if I call you will pick not necessarily I don't have to go I will be looking for you no tips the other way round first is the touchline on 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