 Hey, welcome to I Have Notes, the show where people with surprisingly full IMDB pages discuss all things animation and creative. I'm your host, Isabel Iola, and alongside my co-host, Carrie Shockross. Hello. With us, we also have me. Hi, I'm Erin Nguyen. And I'm last. I'm Jordan. Hello. The last. Is that anything now? The last of us. I'm the last one. Too soon. Too soon. Too soon. Last of us. Too soon. That is appropriate, isn't it? How is everyone doing? Good. We're hanging in there, aren't we? Doing okay. This is a interesting way for us to start this show. Yeah. Yeah. This isn't how it was drawn up, was it? When we first did it. Nope. It's, you got to, you got to roll the punches and you got to, you got to, that's the creative process, isn't it? You know? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it comes from adapting to situations that are less than ideal. And what's fun, what's funny is that we were trying to avoid this situation as long as possible. Like we were supposed to premiere the show like last month and we were worried about Perry going to Japan and having to be quarantined for two weeks and now we're all quarantined. So what the fuck did it matter? Yeah. Why the fuck did I go to Japan then? Shit. 2020 is after a great start, guys. I'm sorry. I got myself some turnips on this person's island. Jordan. Yeah. Jordan, we are, this is the inaugural episode. They're going for 538 bells. I don't have, there's just no excuse to not do it. No, that makes a lot of sense actually. Yeah. I wanted to give you shit, but I really can't if they're going for that much. I, I'm a lazy piece of shit. Yeah, so I took the conversation going without me. I got 4,000 here. I want to sell. I could talk about the fact that I forgot to buy them, but instead, why don't we talk about a little bit, Issa? We can talk about what the show I think is supposed to kind of be about. We are all, I'm going to say the douchiest thing I've ever said before. We are all creatives. Ooh. So douchy. You guys too? Yeah. Nice. And I don't know, I think we, for the longest time, we just wanted to have something where we could talk about the creative process and also just anything really. I think there's a lot that, you know, whether it's TV books, anime, movies, anything really that we want to have a way to just kind of like discuss. And I think something that I can't remember who brought it up with Issa or Jordan being very positive. I think it's something that is really important to all of us, especially right now. I think there's a lot in, there's a lot of comedy in being negative and being kind of critical of things. And there's also a lot of niceness and joy. Man, I think it's just as funny when you're forced to say something nice. Right? You don't want to say something nice about something. Yeah. Like when you have to, when you have to force yourself to be constructive and the struggles there, I think, I think that's funny. And I think it, you know, it's not negative. That that's, you know what that is not negative is the opposite of positive. So you're. That all works out. So I was kind of thinking maybe we kind of go around and just talk a little bit about who we are, what we do day to day and maybe a little bit of how we got here. That way people have a reason to give a shit about what we're talking about at all. Yeah. Me last, please. You're going last for multiple reasons. I'm Issa Madiola. I said the intro already. Yep. Yeah, you forgot. I'm a director for Rooster Teeth. Rooster Teeth's direct. Division. We recently changed titles and all the departments. So it takes a bit, but I'm a director. Mostly specialized in the 2D animation side. I actually started off in the company as just an animator in 2015. And I was able to rise the ranks as a director. And now I get to tell people what to do. And I get a little stressed out about it sometimes. What? No. Stress. Stress. In my day and age. Never heard of it. No stress. No fear. Well here, Aaron, you can go now. What stresses you out and fears you? Being put on the spot. Yeah. I recently been promoted to art director for a little show called Ruby. Don't know if you've heard of it. Yeah, definitely not. You carry. Yeah. I started also in 2015. I started out as a concept artist on Ruby. And I've kind of worked on other projects for Rooster Teeth and like R&B, done a little bit of camp camp. Yeah. And now I'm mostly focused on Ruby. Yeah. Aaron and I started at the same year. And that's when we became friends. Jordan, do you want to not go last? Or do you want to go last? I'm almost back. I got two million bells. I'm landing back on my island. I'm going to say. All right. Hey, I'm Carrie. I currently, I am the showrunner. I don't know what my title is anymore. I'm the showrunner. I'm the supervising director for Ruby. So I kind of help manage both like the franchise. That's weird to say. I hate that. Of Ruby as well as just, you know, the day to day directing of Ruby along with the episode directors and co-writers. And yeah, I've been at this company for way too long. I'm getting close to 10 years. Wow. I've never actually heard her saying out loud. Not because I don't like the company, but she's old. But yeah, I've done a lot of other things around the company. I kind of started when everybody was doing everything. So, but I definitely liked animation though. Although sometimes I regret not going to chief monitor, but we'll get there. That's interesting. But we don't talk about them. Who are they? Who? Never heard of them. Me, real quick, my name is Jordan Sweers. I started animating by myself, like self-taught. And one of the first things I animated was a story from the Rooster Teeth podcast that Gus saw. And then next thing I know, I'm moving out here. I'm making cartoons. Next thing I know after that I'm directing cartoons. And the next thing after that, I'm the creative director for the whole department. And I don't know how it happened. But yeah, done a lot of animating, a lot of writing and directing, camp camp, no matter where X-ray and Vav. And now kind of heading up, like managing all creative efforts and stuff. So this is kind of part of that as well. So, you know, trying to establish a better, you know, relationship, like us communicating with the audience so that you guys know what's going on at Rooster Teeth Animation and stuff like that. So I'm really looking forward to how this goes. Basically, we just wanted to rip off off topic. Also, I should add, I am a multi-millionaire in Animal Crossing now. Good job, Jordan, very proud. I'm retiring, goodbye everybody. Did you, are you gonna play off your house loan? Oh, I've, that's been like, did you see that genuine look of disgust that he just gave you for questioning whether or not? Oh, that's cute. You still have house loans? Oh my God. I hope everyone also knows that I also had a genuine look of disgust when he went away. Disgusting. Please. So hopefully people are watching and listening to this as it comes out. I'm also going to assume that obviously this is gonna become one of the most popular podcasts of all time. And in a hundred years from now, people will still be discovering it on a flash drive buried in like a vase under Old New York or whatever. Old New York? Old New York? You mean New Amsterdam? Old New York? Yeah, New Jersey, sorry. But so we're recording this at the end of April of 2020 and there's an American, oh there's a worldwide quarantine going on right now as I'm sure everybody again who's listening right now is aware. So we are all working from home and I thought something that could be interesting is just talking about what that's like. First off, the one thing I was gonna say to begin with is we are very fortunate to be able to work from home. So any complaining we're doing is we know that things could be a lot worse but I think the thing we wanna talk about specifically like being creative, for me, the one of the hardest things is being creative alone. Being creative, not in a room with people, having lag, having to do stuff in Discord and Google Hangouts and all this stuff. So yeah, what's it been like for y'all? Not being in the office. Yissa, you go first because like this happened in the middle of like the show you were directing. Oh gosh. So the show that we're making right now, recorded by RSL, we had just started and then I came back from a trip from California, from Orange County where one of the first cases of COVID erupted or was shown. So I come back and they're like, hey, about that. And I was like dope, I'm running a show, I don't know what to do. So it was a wild ride of just kind of being told, okay, you're staying at home and then after it's like, oh, maybe I can come back in the same day. Actually, we're all gonna stay home now. That actually admittedly kind of took a lot out of me but it's more so the guilt, I think. It's the, a lot of working from home lately has been more me putting more pressure on myself, I think, to perform. But that's actually been affecting me more negatively. So I'm at the point now where I'm fine, it's a month out and I'm like, oh, maybe the solution is to not pressure myself and it took me a month to figure that out. It's a journey everyone has to take but you have to take it yourself, you can't just be told. Like nobody wants to hear, hey, just calm down, it's fine because that's not helpful. When I was directing and show running, like camp camp and stuff, being there and feeling the pressure of everyone needing you, like in the office was already stressful enough. So like doing it at home, at your computer, seeing anyone or what they're doing, I feel like that just adds to it. So I don't envy you at all. I feel really bad for you. Thanks, thanks. Cause we obviously work in the same department but the direct side and also especially like the 2D side and the 3D side are kind of separated a lot. How inefficient has it been for y'all? I mean, do you feel like you found a rhythm yet? Wildly enough, I think we actually were able to kind of transition pretty smoothly. If only cause I think one of our, one of directs biggest benefits or I guess the biggest pros to our process is we don't need as many heavy programs. We just need a certain number of them and more often than not, the people that we work with already kind of have those or they're just like, hey, we just need a license for this one program that can do everything. At least that's from my experience, especially working with the animators. We're, and a lot of there are animators on our team, especially for working with recorded by Arasol. A lot of our animators were able to transition easy enough, but I also think they're kind of experiencing the same like, oh, we actually miss being with other people. I like that point where he mentioned is like being creative alone and I didn't realize how much I, I think there was a point in my career where I realized, oh, I did want that, I wanted that teamwork, even though I do consider myself an introvert, it's being with other people is kind of what helps solve problems for me. So being with a limited amount of people in a small space, I'm just like, this doesn't work, at least not as well. I had definitely a lot of adjusting. Yeah, it is. Like I also consider myself like an introvert and even like just the process of leaving my apartment and going to work and coming back at night, like not having that there is just really throwing me off. And yeah, like seeing people, even if I don't necessarily interact with them at the office, like it's kind of weird at this point and I'm still kind of adjusting. I didn't realize how happy other people made me. How is it like reviewing like everyone's work and having your work reviewed like over, I imagine, Slack or if you're using Discord or whatever? I mean, for art, for concept, it's a little bit easier because it's just an image. You're already looking at it on a computer. For models, rigging, like anything past the concept stage, it becomes very hard. It's a little frustrating at times. But I think we're definitely navigating it a bit better, but there's definitely like a curve. Yeah, there's like a huge shout out just like at the production and the tech team, RT animation of like, EC, you kind of talked about this a little bit, but like it kind of went from like zero. I'm sure this was the case for a lot of people, but it kind of went from like zero to 60 over the course of like five days where it was like, basically we came in one day and we're like, yeah, you know, it's like, yeah, if you travel, we need people to stay home for a little bit. And then the next day it's like, we might maybe be asking people to work from home for a little bit. And then like the next day it was like, all right, everybody's out. Like we're gonna, everybody's gonna work from home. Good luck, figure it out. Can I tell a quick story? How are we going? As if the quarantine, I think our quarantine went out on March 13th. Yeah. And that day, somebody in my family also experienced a health issue that had to go deal with. It was not COVID related, thankfully, and they're not immunocompromised, but it was like, oh, they are in the ER. Oh, there is somebody that has it. I have to go help my family member on top of, oh, now we're working from home and all this other bullshit. It kind of just like, I feel like the universe kind of just shat on March 13th. Yeah. I was like, oof. Was it a Friday? It was. Oh, it was. Yeah. It's real. It's not a suspicion. It's not a suspicion. I went to the ER with, I have like this shirt that says death and dying over and over and I went, I was like, I got called. I was like, okay, well I have to go now. I went in not realizing I'm still wearing this dumb ass shirt. I was like, oh. Aaron, you're so edgy. I know. Oh, it's too edgy for my own good. Yeah. Sometimes when it rains, it pours. Yeah, right? My experience was very weird because, so I was originally gonna go to Japan basically right as everything got shut down here. So we obviously canceled our trip and I was like, well, I'm still taking this time off because I specifically didn't take time off earlier. So I started the work from home quarantine by just saying like, all right, see y'all in two weeks. Figure it out. It felt so bad. I felt really bad, but at the same time. Because I know you were going with a few of our other coworkers, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's like a group of like seven of us from the company, from like, from like Blaine, like Cole, like a bunch of people. And it was just like, we've been playing this trip for like 11 months. I think it was something, it was like, it was like 10 or 11 months. So it's like, it's fine. Like again, we'll go again in time, but it was definitely tough. But it was also crazy to like come back after two weeks and then like, yeah, people are working. You know, we got stuff like Ruby. Ruby's working pretty well so far where animation is like the last thing that we're just now getting going because they hadn't even started yet. Or at least at the time that all this quarantine stuff started, but pretty much every department is able to work at close to normal efficiency. Yeah. I think we all know that, you know, it's slowing down stuff a little bit, but so far our schedule's still looking good. I'm sure we'll make an announcement later. Yeah, I think it helped to be able to start so soon. I think this is like the earliest we've ever started on new season on Ruby. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you guys really getting scripts out way sooner. Yeah, there's the late. How has reviewing animatics and stuff worked in like over, yeah, I imagine that's probably the trickiest thing because like that's so like timing based. And like the way we review it is like usually the editor and the director sits in a room and you watch it. And then like, if you see something you like, either watch through the whole thing or, and it's like, all right, play this part again. And then it's all based on like feel sometimes where it's like, all right, stop here. That's where I want to cut. Like that's probably impossible to do. It's pretty impossible. It is definitely changing. I think, I think everybody's being a little more flexible, you know, in terms of like, I'm sure there's more like heads and tails of shots they're going to move around than normal. Yeah, there's been a lot of screen sharing. We've tried a lot of different software and figured out what has- It's just so hard to like have video play over like a video call. Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah. It is, turns out Discord not too bad. Yeah, it's pretty good, surprisingly. Buy stock at Discord. Yeah. Yeah, it's a, yeah, that has been pretty challenging. It's funny how much we've tried to just recreate the office environment. Like we have like group chats named after like our conference rooms now, so we can like pretend to be in the room. Oh my God, that's so funny. I do feel like a lot of people are dealing with, you know, yeah, just being kind of alone. We have a lot of people who moved to Austin to work here, which is awesome. Oh my gosh. But it's like, I mean, Aaron, didn't you, you moved here? I mean, hell, all of you moved here. Yeah. I moved here. Yeah. You did, Kerry, you did. So it's like, you know, we have a lot of people who maybe they've only been here for six months and they, you know, they're living by themselves now. Yeah, they're getting like a weird experience of like working here. Like, yeah. We've had a couple of people who started during the quarantine. During quarantine. Yeah, like I know we have a new coordinator who just started, like I've never met him in person. I've seen him a few times on Google Hangouts. It's like, all right, I guess he's helping out now. Oh my gosh. For me, the biggest thing has been like trying to stick with routine. Like I'm very routine oriented. And at first, like it actually felt pretty good with like not having, I could sleep in a little bit. I didn't have to drive to work, which like I'm only like 10 minutes away, but for some reason that takes energy out of me. It's like the 10 minute like hyping up, like going to work thing. It's like, here's what I'm gonna do when I get in. Now it's just walking upstairs. Yeah. But like I felt good for like the first like three weeks or so, like I had more energy and I felt pretty productive. But then, and I feel like everyone kind of hit this at different points where it's like, I don't know what day it is. I haven't slept regular hours. I'm going to sleep at like 1 a.m. It's like, it's gotten to the point where it's like, it's like summer vacation when you're home all the time and like the days start blending together and like you stay up later and later and stuff. So it's been weird lately. And it's kind of, it's kind of, I've been a little more like having the, I don't know, beyond top of myself like as far as productivity goes where it's like I've been drifting more maybe towards YouTube every now and then a little more often and it's like, no, don't work. Yeah. I definitely like, I've been like, I've tried like a million different like to-do lists and stuff like that, but like I've definitely been like trying to make a list every day of like, okay, here's what I need to do. Here's what I need to get done. But also letting myself, you know, I think it's also a lot easier when, you know, you hit that point, you know, it's whatever time you end up leaving work, you know, six o'clock, seven o'clock and you're like, okay, I didn't get everything done today but you know, maybe I'll come in a little early tomorrow or like I think it's okay that that thing can push. It's a lot harder. It's a lot, there's a lot more guilt when it's like, well, I didn't finish everything I needed to do today. I'm going to go in the other room and play video games. Yeah. Or I'm going to sit in this same chair and play a PC game. Yeah, that's, yeah, oh man. Yeah, that's almost like a whole other thing. Yeah. I feel like, oh man, I've kind of, I've hit that point where I realized, oh, me working from home is not going to be the same as just me being in a studio anymore. And I'm at the point now where I'm kind of like, you know what? Maybe that's okay. I think getting to that point is the hardest point. It really is. Like I haven't gotten there yet. I haven't gotten to the like, it's okay that it's different. It's okay that I'm not the same like amount of productive that I am in an office. It's wild because it's taken me a month in like two weeks to get here. You know what I mean? There was actually a fun fact. I was part of this like a happy hour with Jordan Levin RGM, our general manager of the company. And it was me and like a bunch of other of our coworkers from all the other different departments. And it was like more like a check-in, just kind of, hey guys, like I'm here to answer any questions from Jordan Levin. And one of the nice things that he said that I'm kind of like, okay, you know, I think I can take that to heart if only because it's alleviating me is, he's like, I hope people understand that when we say, when I say I hope they're taking breaks, it's not like 10 minutes every time you're working. Like, you can take like a half day break. It's completely okay. And I was like, the RGM said that. So I'm like, oh man. That makes it okay. Yeah, that makes it okay. That said I could, so I'm fine. I had to do that a couple of weeks ago. We're like, I don't know what it was, but like I just was like super overwhelmed. And there's like a big like department wide meeting or something like coming up. And I was like dreading that. And I just, I slacked Maggie, who's the supervising producer for Direct and Sean, who's the co-head of animation. And it was like, guys, I'm not feeling great. Is it okay if I take the rest of the day for myself? And they were like, yeah, you know, totally. And I was just like, even though all I did was like, leave this room, I felt so much better after that. And it's like, yeah, like when people are like saying, like check in on your mental health and stuff, like doing stuff like that can help a lot. And like, I don't know, I was kind of afraid to ask because they were going to be like, what do you have to worry about? Like just do your job. But like, you know, everyone's been super understanding and stuff. Everybody struggles their own struggle. It's, you know, we can't compare stuff. But it's hard. Since we've never gone through anything like this before, like I feel like it'd be kind of unreasonable to hold us to like a certain expectation. That's true. Like I feel like I get that going out in the world too, like when I go grocery shopping and stuff, for some reason, like the people who have been working in like grocery stores, like for weeks now are like apologetic to us. Or it's like, oh, I'm sorry you have to do this. Like thank you for understanding. And it's like, thank you for working here so I can buy groceries. Like this procedure is the least of my concerns. Like we're happy to do it. There was one time like we were, I was at a Trader Joe's and the person before us was definitely, we call it definitely one of the panic buyers, not judging, but also we could tell because their cart was so full and he was just standing there. And when it came to my turn, immediately I was just like packing and helping. And the lady at the cashier was like, thank you so much. And I was like, what are you talking about? This is the least I can do. Yeah, my mom works in a grocery store and I can only imagine what she's going through every day. Oh, dang. At the HEB, I go to the grocery store. I'm so used to helping pack my own groceries. And now they're like, no, please stand behind. Yeah, I think you have to stand. No, I don't stand, I have to help you. Yeah, I have that impulse too, where it was like the first time I went to an HEB, that's what I did. I got yelled at. They had this like makeshift plastic shield between you and the cashier. And I was like, I walked past it to like grab a bag and start bagging. And they're like, sir, please just stand here in front of me with the plastic shield. And I was just like, oh, okay. Yeah, please wait to pay after we get everything bagged. Yeah, and they put the receipt on the fucking keyboard. Yeah. Yeah, it's like TSA. It's like airport security. Yeah. Huge for anybody. I don't know where all HEB is, but HEB is like a big grocery store in Texas. I think it's only in Texas. Not in Dallas though. Yeah. They don't have it in Dallas? No. I have it in Dallas and they don't have HEB. It's bullshit. I can't imagine going through this without HEB. Yeah, I know. Like they have been like the best. So we also don't have any sponsors for this show yet. But HEB, if you could hit us up. Trader Joe's has been really good too, if I can plug another guy in. They have all their own products. So like it's really easy for them to stay stocked. So like it's surprisingly well stocked all the time. I mean, that's cool. But like the B and HEB stands for butts. It does stand for butt, yep. There's no like hairy Edward butts. Yeah, man, I wish it was hairy butt. I thought it was. Wait, are you sure it's not? I thought it was. I think it's Howard. It is now. I thought it was Harry. Harry, Howard, you know. We've all had a Howard butt. Let's do it just now. Yeah. OK, JB. HEB. You have the extra breath before it. Do I join? Go ahead. I was going to ask what have you guys been like watching since there's nothing to do outside now? Oh, I've turned to rewatching. Like I went through like all of Brooklyn Nine-Nine again. I just it's been like the comfort food shows of like, you know, like I know a lot of people wouldn't like rewatching the office and like just things that I already know are going to make me feel good. That's that's kind of what I've been going to. Nice. I so I finally finished food wars seasons went to four. Fun, fun fact, there was an RTA about it, about how my friend was making me watch food wars. And this was the perfect time for me to finally like actually finish it. And we did. And we were kind of just like, all right, what do we watch next? It's like, oh, God, we're still at home. So we're rewatching Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. And we're trying to get them to go through the good place as well. Full Metal Alchemist is nowhere near as horny as food wars. No, it's not. It's so refreshing. The food horny. Yeah, the the boobs are actually drawn correctly in Brotherhood. Thank God. I thought you were going to say food wars. I was going to be like, wow, I'm impressed. They have pockets, food pockets. Yeah, the most refreshing part about food wars is all of the fucking juices that spew everywhere from the food. It's from the food. Oh, my God. It's like delicious pork. But like, it's not it. It's the food only in like the visuals point. Yeah. Do we have to get Jordan to watch Food Wars? The way you're describing it, I this sounds like a show that's at my alley. I've come this close a couple of times to watching. I don't even know what it's called, but it's the it's the Zootopia, but hornier. Oh, yeah. P-Sparts. Yeah. I was about to say taking a horny. Beastars, real horny. I just don't want to turn into a furry. I'm not ready for that yet. Or counterpoint. Maybe you already are. And then you just need to be a little bit. It's true. Just, yeah, it just needs to be awakened inside me. 2020 is the year with the furry. And because there is Beastars, Animal Crossing, Tiger King. Tiger King, yeah. Has everyone watched Tiger King? I feel like I'm the only one who has it. No, I haven't. Oh, man. I was aware of Joe Exotic way before this, like a year or two ago. Like I was watching YouTube videos on his antics. Oh my god. And then, yeah. I was hoping you were going to say he's like your uncle or something. So a same friend who got me into feedwares, we were kind of talking about how 2020 is the year of the furry. And we were like, OK, which anime person was the progenitor of putting furries in anime? And I think we ended up kind of talking about Mamoru Hosuda because the one who did Summer Wars and The Boy of the Beast. Who invented the yif? Jordan, no, we don't ask that question. The yif is kind of like Batman. It always existed. And it always will exist. Yeah, I mean like Summer Wars was one thing because like didn't like the main character turned like a rabbit character. Yeah, but it was like a persona. But then, wait, even before The Boy and the Beast, there was wolf children where like literally a canonical scene of the woman having sex with a guy who is actually like half in his werewolf form. And all of my friends and I were like on the back of our seats in the movie theater. Like, is this happening right now? It was wild. It's like that. Have you guys ever gone to like, I guess, like video stores that don't exist anymore? But back when they did, did you ever go to the video store and print an anime like VHS and like maybe you knew something about it, but like you didn't know exactly what kind of graphic content was going to be in it when you took it home? Has everyone done that? Or just me on accident that one time? I think just maybe you on accident. What did you see? It was the Tenshi Muyo movie. That was a scene where like Ryoko like starts like licking Tenshi and I was like, this isn't in the anime. How old were you when you saw this? I don't know. It's just like prime tsunami. So it was like, I was like 12 or 13. I was like, I would rent the same thing over and over again. We would just like take it back and like exchange it. It's like, all right, you just scan it again. Cool. Take it back. I'm going to watch the same Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon one more week. Go, Ninja. Go, Ninja. Go. Yeah. So the furry discussion. I think the author who did Astro Boy. Yeah, that's right. He had some like furry shit come up recently. Like his dog is a granddaughter. I think it was like, well, I mean, he already did like a few animes where it's like questionable furry things. And then like his granddaughter was like going through his drawers or something, his desk. And she finds all of these like horny mouse drawings. Oh, yeah. It's like, all right. Oh, yeah. I guess it's a thing. Was the mouse horny or the drawings horny in subject? Or both? Both. OK. Good. The drawing was making like eye contact with the viewer. Oh, my. Hey, hey. Meadow horny. Yeah. Erin, do you ever do you ever hear the stories about people who like take furry commissions and like live off that and wonder, wonder about your career path? Yes, I do actually. They make bank. It's really weird because like, I don't know how or why. But it's like a lot of white fur is have so much money. Yeah. A lot of them, like a lot of the commissioners are always like doctors or lawyers or something. Or Elon Musk. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. It's weird. But hey, yeah. PSA, this is not a knock against furries. But also, thank you for your service. Yeah. No, we are I would I would I will boldly say we are pro furry. Yeah. Furries can support like artists and like they're not like the choosing beggars that will like be like, well, I have to pay you for the. Yeah. Like I'm going to put this on my YouTube channel that has 13 subscribers. That's more than enough payment. Yeah. Also, if if any furries want to sponsor this podcast. That's good to support support these artists. Buy me a fucking suit and I'll wear it. I'll do it. Oh, wait, what would you everybody? What were your fursona be? Oh, man. Oh, easy. Oh, go first. It's like, actually, I said easy. And then I was like, fuck, I'm backtracking. Does it have to be like your favorite animal? Or is it like an animal you feel like? Yeah. Yeah. An animal that you would be and you can choose. Like I feel like I'd either be a cat or a rabbit. Oh, yeah. Oh, why not both? Especially a little of Tenshi Muyo. Yeah. Little creatures. Cabot. Mine is cat hamster. Cat hamster? Hamster. Camstar? Whoa, Lisa. Oh, nice. I mean, does it have to be two? I can barely get to one. I can't hit. I like red pandas a lot. You do. I like it. It's lazy sometimes. And they own like a branch and like just sleep there. So I've been going that. Or they'll startle each other and they'll fall over. They'll fucking hit for some reason. Oh, yeah. I mean, what's an animal that's like just a little chubby? I could be like a penguin. A little chubby. Maybe a cute penguin. A penguin or like, I like to waddle. Or a clock or a kiwi bird. Do you fuck it through? Fuck it. I want to be a dragon. I mean, you could be. Yeah, why not carry? We're supportive here. I'm a scaly. Is that what they're called? It is actually. I know I'm I'm I'm down. Has anyone checked out Pen Ward's new show? I wanted to read because I watched it. And it's a trip. That's not really not yet. So I only I only watched one episode and it's such a trip that I was like, not sure if I wanted to keep watching it. But what is it? It's basically it's on Netflix. Yes, it's on Netflix. It's Pendleton Ward's new show. It's called Midnight Gospel. OK. As far as I can tell, just based on the first episode, it's essentially a podcast or like a short form discussion between two people. It's usually a guest and the main character. Basically, he like hops into like different simulations and that's where the conversation happens. And then he like records it and comes back to his dimension and like broadcasts it. But the first episode is with Dr. Drew, which is already a little problematic in this time. Interesting. I feel like Dr. Drew's had like such like a roller coaster of public perception over the years. What is he even up to? I haven't seen him in a while. Telling people that like covid's no big deal. Yeah, unfortunately. He's telling people to drink bleach or whatever. He didn't go. No, he's not that bad. Not yet. And he's one step under. Yeah, kind of. But so they spend the whole episode talking about legalizing marijuana, which is like a fine topic. But like they get really deep into like meditation and like existentialism, like a little a little too much. And it's a little I found it kind of off-putting. Also, I feel like if you smoke weed and then try to meditate, you're just that's just napping at that point. I'm just asleep. So the thing is like they're clearly talking, but also they have like a backdrop. And in the first episode, Dr. Drew plays a character named Glassesman, who's the president. And there's a zombie outbreak. So in the background, they're like every now and then they'll be talking and then they'll be like, oh, hold on. And then like they'll animate like a stabbing or something. So there's all this like cool visual stuff going on around them as they're talking very casually. And they're like it's like a lot of action scenes and stuff. It reminds me and Issa, I've showed you this. He had a YouTube channel with Ian Jones, courtly called Animation Pals, where it was just kind of like riffing and improvising. And then they go in and animate around it. Check that out. It's like a very early version of this show, I feel. But it's like it's a weird concept to bring this this level of production. It's 20 minutes and it's just them having this conversation. And then every now and then there's a weird visual gag, like a dog pops up and a zombie bites the dog. And then they move on to the next thing. It's weird. And I say this, I say this to give you credit, like. Do you do you? Is this like the it's not RTA? It's not. No, it's it. It's like if RTA, if the visuals had nothing to do with what was being discussed, like if they're telling a story like on the on the podcast and the visuals did not represent the story in any way, shape or form. OK, so maybe they they had already legalized it. And that's what I wonder. It's a it's a weird episode to start with for the first one. So I want to watch another one and like and see see what they do and and how it how it how it goes. Because like I was I was kind of scratching my head with this first one. Too big brained. Yeah, I mean, it's it definitely seems interesting. It does make me wonder, like, you know, when did it come out? It was pretty recent, right? Yeah. And I like everything about it the way it's animated stuff is beautiful, like the the the colors. It's like it's like kind of trippy. The animation is really solid. Lots of cool gags and like action stuff, like definitely like high budget. I said, like, 10 minutes in the episode, I was watching it with my wife. I was like, you know, we could probably just watch this, like without sound and be really good. Because like the conversation that they were having did not grab us at all. So like just I just kept watching because I like the way it was animated. I'm just going to I'm going to imagine this world where you accidentally had like the commentary track on and they were just talking about. But I mean, yeah, I wonder I wonder if at any point, because I feel like this is probably something that's going on behind the scenes that a lot of companies, media companies right now, did they have the conversation of like, is now the time to put this out? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, I wonder if I myself anything that evolves, like apocalypse or like, you know, mass hysteria stuff. I'm just like, I'm not going to watch that right now. I think I'm OK for a minute. But I mean, it sounds like it's it's chill enough that it's not like a big deal. Yeah, I don't think like the I don't think the zombie apocalypse angle of it had anything to do with it, because like that gets resolved at the end of the episode. So like in the next episode, it's just going to be a different like guest in a different simulation with a different backdrop, I'm pretty sure. And that's that is what has me interested in seeing the next one, not necessarily who's on it and what they're going to talk about. But like, what is the next backdrop and like what cool animation stuff are they going to do? OK, that's interesting. I think that does remind me because you mentioned it seemed like it's like a podcast. Reminds me that, oh, man, I'm blanking the show about D&D, but it's based off of the D&D podcasts. And it's not critical role. It's the person who is a comedian and he and his friends are doing D&D F. Is it the show on where the animator is? Yeah, you're talking about Harman Quest. Harman Quest, yes. Right, thanks. There is an interesting discussion lately about making animation based off of kind of existing audio rather than animation with new audio, if only because the existing audio, it's already there, so you're kind of cutting off some portion of pre-production, which is I think an interesting way to go about like having a production. Jordan, you did copyright that idea, right? You are making bank, right? Shit. How many how many how many bells you got invested in this now? No. So yeah, I mean, I saw RT in like 2010. I think the Ricky Gervais show had like either just come out or came out like right after like the first RTAA. It was definitely that summer because I started in July 2010. And like, I think I feel like it was just a thing that like it all sprung up at once because I know Yogg's cast was also kind of doing stuff as well, like not too long after. So yeah, I don't. I don't know about like the creative merits and like and like, you know, short changing production, but like, yeah, it's definitely easy. Yeah, I mean, I could I will now forever consider you a pioneer. Let me put it out. That's fine. Yes, please do. I insist you do if you if you want to start introducing yourself as media pioneer. I think that's totally that's totally fair. I got I got like I got six more months to be a 30 under 30 media luminary. Like, can you intro like play Griffin McElroy? Yeah. Yeah. And then you could be a media pioneer. Yeah. Hey, you're you're in my 30 under 30. Oh, thanks. That means a lot. It's just it's just the four of us. It's funny you bring up the McElroy's and podcasts being animated because they're adapting Adventure Zone into an animated show. Oh, are they? Yeah. And I think it's going to be more more so the graphic novel that they started being adapted to animation. So it's like an adaptation of an adaptation. Yeah, I think visually that's what it'll look like. And I think they might script it out more. So I don't think it's just like animating the audio. But I have like I remember listening to that show and like imagining it as like an animated show and being like, oh, man, it'd be so dope to adapt this. So I'm a little jealous that like some other company got it. But I'm sure it'll be good. I'm sure it'll be good. But I'll know deep down in my heart that it'd be better if you had done it. Dude, we would have crushed it. Oh, yeah. You guys have no idea. Media Loomer. Yeah. Pioneer. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, we do have to call. Legally, we have to call him a pioneer. Yeah, I ride boulders for miles. Yeah. We should make that a game sometime. Yeah. There is a fun game. Jordan, Richard, Cole and I started doing over text, which was guess the anime based off of these emojis. And I was thinking, what else can you do that? And I was like, oh, guess the SpongeBob episode based on. Oh, that's a great idea. Do they have like a pilgrim? I do, I think. Pizza, a pilgrim, a rock. Not just a rock, it's a boulder. And then you can do like the I think there could be like a picket sign emoji and then crab. Hey, like I know we want to have a podcast talking about the creative process, but could we just change this and pivot to a SpongeBob fan cast? Is it only like the first like four seasons? Yeah, because I haven't seen anything after that. Oh, my God. Maybe I should go rewatch SpongeBob. That'd be a good one. I feel like I think SpongeBob clips. Dude, I solely function off like Homestar Runner bits, Ed and Eddie episodes in SpongeBob quotes. Yeah, that's that's all my brain runs on. I love that in any so much that we can't just turn into talking about it, but oh, my God, inspiration. Hey, inspiration is like the. It's true. It's the cornerstone of the creative process. It's all animation. We're still on topic. Yeah. Like without without Homestar Runner, I would not have even started animating. Like I couldn't figure it out until I found this. Gosh, I was like listening to like their DVD commentaries and they mentioned like they did a tech demo of how they they animate with symbols and stuff in flash at Georgia Tech in like 2006 or something. So I looked that up and I don't even think I could find it again. But I saw it and like just them showing how they did it. Like I was like, oh, I see. So it's just kind of like very simple pieces that you then manipulate. You don't have to like redraw it over and over again. So that's how I like that's how I discovered what puppet animation was. And I think they're very a very rough version of that for RTAA and then years later, I met Matt and Mike Chapman who do Homestar Runner. Yeah, Homestar Runner. I told them I told them that I found this and they were like blown away one that I found it and two that it was useful to someone. So I really have to thank like them and that demo for my career because I wouldn't have figured it out otherwise. That's yeah, so if they want to continue that Homestar Runner, if you want to sponsor we literally, we'll take money from anybody at this point. HomestarRunner.net, it's dot com. I think the best joke ever. Second only to me, continue to ask for sponsors and saying we'll take money from everybody. I like this picker. Yeah, I hope we never get a sponsor so we can just keep asking for sponsors. Well, okay. I like this to a point. Fuck it, I'll sponsor it. Here's 20 bucks. You guys get to spend money. Yeah. That's kind of a good question like, like what piece of media got y'all into animation? I guess, like, how did you end up here? Can I try to guess everyone's? Do it. Yes. Quick, a speed round. Go ahead. Okay. Issa, oh man, I'm drawing a blank. I'm gonna go with, I have an idea. I also have an idea. All right, Carrie, you tell me this. Yeah. I wanna say Powerpuff Girls. I was gonna say even Galeon. They're good. Are we all, any of us, right? Well, did Jordan, did you guess? No, those are way better than anything I can come up with. Aaron's there. Powerpuff Girls was the one I started drawing when I was like nine with the Powerpuff Girls. Okay. Carrie is yours, then Dexter's lab. Yeah. Oh, no, I don't know what it does. I had like the, there's like the episode where they like the musical episode. I had that on like, they sold like a set of it. I had that too. I had that too. All the time. Yes. That's great. Oh man, we should sing. Hell yeah. I know most of that by heart. If we ever do a bonus episode, that's what we'll do. Well, what's Aaron's guess, Jordan? Yes. I feel like mine might be hard. Yeah. Is yours definitely an anime or is yours like a cartoon? Okay. It's a video game. A video game. Oh, Milger Solid. Yeah. Metal, your favorite video game. Yeah. I didn't really decide like what I wanted to do like concept wise until I was like in high school because before that I was like, oh, I want to do a practical job so I'm not homeless and poor. Not an art. Yeah. Like a plumber. Exactly. Like a trade. Weren't you, is this why you were in like, weren't you in like R2C in high school? That was just because I didn't want to take gym class. Oh my God. That was an alternative, yeah. That is really not wanting to take gym class. Yeah. I kind of would rather take gym class than like. Yeah. A lot of my high school electives are just like I took it because I didn't want to take X class because of whatever reason. Like I took Latin instead of French or Spanish because it was the only language where we didn't have to speak. There's nothing practical about that language. I know. We didn't have to speak Latin in class. In our French and Spanish classes, it was like immersion. So you had to speak in Spanish or French. You said I did the exact same thing. I did the exact same thing in community college. Oh yeah. See? I took Latin instead. Also, I wanted to do a more concept art. I thought I was going to do medical illustration, which is kind of an episode. Whoa. Yeah. Is that like career path change? Anatomy drawings and stuff like the posters of like. Yeah. All that boring. That is very practical. That's a good foundation, though. There's a whole major for it at SCAD, the college I went to. Yeah. Even being a medical illustrator. But I didn't do it, obviously. Jordan, I used to say you're just a home star runner. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. As far as cartoons, like that, like I love it, it's at Anetti. Like that's the one that like. Same. Yeah. That's my good tip. I think it holds up. It holds up. It does. It does. To Cartoon Network. Yeah. It's true. It all goes, yeah, all in the Warner family. Yeah. It all works out in the end, huh? Well, with that, I think that's a good hour. That's a good 45 minutes, y'all. I think so. That was fun. That was fun. Well, thanks, everyone, for listening to I Have Notes. You should check out our IMDB pages. They're surprisingly full. I'm going to say another one more thing full. Another one more full. Make sure you like and subscribe. LOL. Sorry. Raida's five stars. Eric is feeding me lines. Yeah, if there's a bell, ring it. If there's a subscribe, like click on everything on the page and you're good. Yeah, and you're good. You're really supporting us this way, including the thumbs down one. Any reaction is a good idea. I don't think that's very constructive. You should like it, but then tell us what you didn't like about it. Yeah. 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