 Welcome to the show, I have notes, the show where people with surprisingly full IMDB pages discuss all things animation, creative, and caucasity. I'm your host, Isabeliola, I always work best with the script, and with me is my wonderful lovely co-host, Carrie Shockross. Carrie Shockross. Thank you. Carrie Shockross. That's me. We're in sync on that. I couldn't get over, I couldn't get over the fact that you said fucking caucasity, and I'm very surprised. My caucasian mouth. Try that out of the gate. My caucasian mouth. You can't talk yet, I haven't introduced you yet. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Don't, hang on, it's okay. And with us are two wonderful guests, as usual, I can't say always anymore, but as usual, Erin Nguyen, hello, and joining us, Josh Kazemi. New guest, hey. The caucasity of talking before you're introduced. The whites are added again. The second I saw that online somewhere, I was like, oh, I'm going to say this eight times a day. Cool. Yeah, that's very good. Start using it in sentences, really put it in your lexicon there, Carrie. Yeah. I'll make it like my new like text tone. I'll go find like my whitest friend, and every time they text me, I'll just be like, caucasity. Caucasity. It'll be your new nut button now. Yeah. You can't, so. Spoiled it. Well, no, it's okay. No, I wasn't going to because I'm afraid of being annoying, but. It's too late for that. Here's what I'm going to say. It's July 2020. Okay. There's a new, this is a new Carrie. Okay. I got, I went to a local barber shop that was very safe. I got my ears lowered. He's going to show, oh, what's happening. Look at those ears. What? I'm not going to take the hat off. Not that it's bad. I just like wearing a hat. I got my shelf. It's a little bear right now. I went by the office and got some stuff. But the other thing that I got that's very important. And that is the one and only time I will do it. And that's what makes it sweeter. Is. Yeah. Leave him. Yeah. You're probably thinking like there's going to be another one at the end of the episode. There won't be. Oh, yeah. Sadly, I do not have mine. Yes. You need to stop by the office. It's really spooky. It's really fucking spooky. I'm ready. Yeah. There's somehow, because I got, you know, we'll get like sometimes you go on the weekend or something. And it's like, so you're like, I've seen the office with nobody in it. It's different. Oh, it's different. Ghost town. Yeah. How's everybody else weekends and week spend? Oh, I had a very good weekend because I didn't do anything. Yeah. And then. Three-day weekend, baby. Three-day weekend, baby. And I was struck. So I call Sunday pre-Monday now. Fair. Fair. And I spent a good chunk of pre-Monday night not sleeping because I realized what I had to do for the rest of the week and consequently the rest of the month. And I was stressed. And I was like, oh, yeah, there it is. The anxiety insomnia. So like relatively great week kind of ended on like this, like, oh, stress, sour note. So that's kind of where I'm at. But also for some reason, if you're on five hours of sleep, you're just as awake as you are if you're on seven or eight. So. Oh yeah. It's weird. Yeah. I want to ask this. Were you, because I've been there, were you sleepy? Or were you not sleepy? And that was frustrating you. It was the latter. I think it was like, I was so wired. But also my body was so like ready to just sleep. But my brain was like, no, you're not. I haven't had enough success with this to actually recommend it. But the last time that happened to me, I just said, fuck it. And worked until like two or three in the morning. I do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there is. I read this a while ago. Last thing I'll say before I try to, I'll throw it to you guys. I read this a while ago when I was having these bouts of insomnia and I would like really beat myself up about it. And I would look for like online articles about like, how do I do this? Like, what should I do? And there's one that was just like, it's okay. Just forgive yourself for being awake. And it's fine if you want to be awake than you can be. And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess that's fair. So I found a fanfic last night, did a reading. It was great. Was it juicy? It was. Did it awaken you more? No. I wasn't in the mood, Carrie. That's fair. Thank you. I found a fanfic. Tweeted some thoughts, some onions that I was hoping no one would see because it was like 3 a.m. But of course their people was still awake. And that was it. That was my night. And I was finally able to sleep. How was everyone else's week? Pretty good. I touched up my hair so I'm green again. You're green again. Oh, nice. You match our background. Yeah. Yeah, I key out my hair. I was thinking about that. No, but I've actually been growing it out. Like, this is like almost my natural hair color, but with like green on top. But I did touch up the parts that were bleached. So, yeah. I think, I still like the green, but man, is it a lot of upkeep. Yeah. The green might be going away soon. Once it finally grows out. Is it green in particular that's hard? I've never dyed my hair. Like, is it green that's hard upkeep? No, actually green is like one of the hardest colors to reboot. So, even when it was faded, it was still green. It was just like a nasty booger green. Oh, great. It's mostly just like the bleaching that was like really taxing. Oh, okay. And my hair was getting like real crispy. So, yeah. It's chill. I'm so glad we got a three-day weekend. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Josh, it's kind of custom, whoever goes last, talking about their week. We do need to know everything you did last week, hour by hour. And kind of like a thumbs up, thumbs down. Like, was it a good hour, bad hour? I kind of keep everything in my journal. So, it keeps me. Whoa. Yeah. It's on top of it. All right. Mike, just stand his camera for the next 45 minutes. Right. Okay. He's going to go get some water. An extra long one. How are you? I'm good. And I'm, I mean, first and foremost, I'm really happy to be on the show. Thank you for having me. But, and I promise I didn't plan this. This is just always what's on my desk. And it's three-fourths of the color scheme. That's adorable. That's so cute. Yeah. I ran out of the green. So, I need to get more. I got some recently and I went out of my way to get the like pastel kind of ones that like we normally have. Oh. Oh, very nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sticky notes. Those are really nice. I've only used two so far. Nice. We, we did a recording of a video that we'll talk about at some point where we couldn't swear. So, I had this to remind me to not swear. Nice. I know. It's funny. Yeah. The bottom of my monitor is just lined with Post-it notes. Yeah. So funny. It, look, that reminds me of like Maggie's desk at work. And sometimes I always, always kind of think about, think about all her Post-it notes. And in my mind I go, those have been up there for like months. Maggie, have you actually gone to any of them? And she'd be like, yeah. And then she'd take down like two and it'd be like, okay. It's okay. Now they're going to be there forever. Oh, you know. Did you do anything special, Josh, over the three-day weekend? A whole lot of nothing, which is always nice. That's very special. But one, one little great thing that happened was, so my wife Molly and I have been dabbling with resin for the first time ever. Just like decided to like pick up a new, a new hobby project thing. And we kind of dove head first without, without doing the proper research. Just like, I'm sure we can figure this out. That's the best way. So it's been a lot of like trial and error. And we've been like kind of stuck in the same spot of like, we can't, we're making dice and we're like trying to figure out how to make it work and how to make it look cool. And we've been stuck in this rut of like almost giving up. And then we had like this revelation. It was, it was really silly because it's a very basic revelation of like, instead of hand painting the dice, which is what we always wanted to do, let's just print out the, the symbols that we need and, and stick them onto the dice. And so I soon realized that it was like, oh, now we can finish this project finally be working on it for months. Wow. Yeah. Have you thought about trapping a mosquito and something that looks like. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's of course. That's the next thing that I want to do is trapping it not. Oh, go find a dead mosquito and placing it inside. Go trap it inside the resin. You have to have like a resin bed and then like a little like blood gummy. Yeah. It's like, whatever they're going to like, well, you get like a red gusher and they'll be like, oh, blood. And then the second they land on it, you have to have the gusher on a string so you can pull it out because nobody wants to see a mosquito and a gusher frozen in amber. That's nothing. And then I'm turning it into my walking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we, I went to a weird place was like, what you need to do is get somebody who has like the COVID antibodies and get their blood in it so like you can like lead the people into like the next civilization. You'll have the antibodies or whatever. I don't know. But it's trapped inside a dice. Well, I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, it's like take Jurassic Park and like Book of Eli and I was going to say the last of us. The last of us. And you just kind of like, there you go. It was a dumb idea. Okay. No. I didn't have dumb ideas. Don't put this episode out. It's ours. New animated series from, from Carrie, Josh, Ethan and Erin. It's called. You heard it here first. Is that blood? Very, very light novel of you. Yeah. My dice holds the key to the world. Oh, I like that one. Speaking of very anime. There's an anime that's coming out that I'm very excited about. Whoa. Good segue. I try. You know, it makes segues even better. Pointing them out. How else will we know if they're. Yeah. But there's this game that a screen x made a while ago. I think they actually made it. But it's called the world ends with you. And it's getting an anime. And I'm very excited. It was for the original DS. Yeah. Yeah. This was like 2007. Yeah. It was like seven or eight. Yeah. I'm Googling it. I'm Googling it. 2007. Don't put it. They called it a mobile game. It was on the DS. Yeah. 2007. Yeah. July 26. Almost. Almost math years behind us. But yeah. It was a DS game that got then got like rereleased on a bunch of stuff like mobile. And I think even switched now. Oh, good. Because I've never actually played it. And I want to. It's very good. It's a thing. I have no idea how well it works on a single screen device. It was definitely like made for the DS. It was basically like do moves on the bottom screen and it would happen on the top half of the screen. Yeah. It is. It was a wild way of multitasking. Yeah. Because really you had to actively train yourself to look at both screens. At the same time. Yeah. Sideways. Yeah. One for each eye. They're going to work. They're going to work. Yeah. 3D glasses. But the the world was really cool. The music was phenomenal. Yes. Fashion is like a big part of it. Like you fought with these like different pins that have like different moves to them basically, so had this like, you know, Pokemon collect them all kind of aspect to it. I need I don't know where it is. I have like the the main pin from the game. Like I have one from a press event from like when I went to like Pax Anyways yeah, I'm I'm really excited about it and the idea of yeah an anime one of the things that I was kind of interested in at least in terms of like how what the reaction would be was that they actually kept a very hard black shadow style from the original yeah yeah like thick lines thick I save lives thick lines and really really black shadows which I think was super what's the word I inspirational or iconic iconic thank you you're so smart Iconic for the time and also felt very mid-2000s the more I think about it oh yeah oh yeah so I'm actually kind of curious because I might be one of the few people who is a little what's the word super-duper excited oh this isn't not this I'm not used to this I think the style lends itself to a video game thing as opposed to an animated thing but I could be sure yeah it it's it's hard to know like yeah like that style I feel like it's more typical in like cut scenes or something like so it's like to watch that much of it but yeah the trailer says the production is do America X Shin a I have personally never heard either of them but I mean like they definitely they've done a good bit of work so I'm yeah I don't know I'm excited I I will say that I mean like each of your point like I I might be blinded by the property to like I am I'm very excited for the at least the yeah I haven't not familiar with the game at all so I'm excited just because it looks aesthetically very different from many like current anime so yeah I was like anime that like push the boundaries of like the standard yeah look is that why do you think that that might be why you like a gege's weird-ass anime like drifters reminded me of like Demon Slayer has like really thick angular lines yes that was like super appealing Kaiji which is like a older anime like 2004 that one's like also super stylized with super thick lines I think madhouse did that one so I like weird looking anime and it's not your normal girl normal I'm not like other anime girls another reason why I touch with my hair how will people know that I'm the main character yeah we'll see I'm definitely excited yeah but I also the way my brain works lately is like if it's not coming on next like two months like I'm not even thinking about it I'll just like it'll just be like a nice surprise yeah there's another yeah yeah say hey Aaron do a segue the god of high school episode one out on crunchy roll but we should see yeah I was excited about this because it's adapted from a webtoon series yeah web comic I believe it's Korean yeah yeah and crunchy roll is working on it and I watched episode one during lunch today and it was it was fun I was excited for it and then I kind of forgot about it and then I saw on Twitter it was trending I was like oh shit now no spoilers I mean there's only episode one I haven't read the webtoon at all so I don't know okay much is is the god of high school the principal or is it like the the local jock okay my understanding from episode one the god of high school is the name of a tournament that I don't know if it's like a worldwide event or just in Korea mm-hmm where it takes place but basically it's like a tournament anime all the schools are fighting to win the tournament and whoever wins gets their wish granted by whoever is running the god of high school tournament that's literally all I know so far is it only is it only open for people in high school I think so I would think so because they're like oh man I can't believe we didn't get into the tournament what happened and it's like clearly a bunch of older guys so it's like what do you think dude do they like do they yeah do they know that like I like the idea that I'm sure this is not what it is I like the idea that whatever they wish for only works while they're in high school you know in like 20 years like you're gonna be like I don't care about that at all there's been so many different anime where I would watch my so watch it or I would watch my so especially it's like the bait like all the baseball enemies that he likes to watch and I'd be like why is this 30 year old on a baseball I'm glad you like steroids are a hell of a competitive I used to you know I didn't did we play sports I played a sport or two thank you very much but that was that was old Kerry it's July it's new Kerry we talked about this Kerry doesn't do sports he does intellectual things and jogging basic math basic math math years I did I did I did all the sports that you didn't have to necessarily be good at like I did track yeah there's not like a team really I mean there is but there's not and I just did hurdles because no one else is doing them so they're just like yeah sure whatever wow that's impressive Kerry I mean I didn't say I was good at it okay I hurt my knee a lot that's fine what other sports have we all done Isa did you do any sports I did tennis in freshman year and then I quit pretty quickly after that no Prince of tennis no it was funny enough was funny enough Prince of tennis related and then I was like oh I hate this tell the truth at any point did you lose to somebody and say oh the cockassity I lost to a lot of people so honestly it's more so I think I was more afraid of them judging me for being an easy an easy win yeah Josh if you play I think you or did you play anything I think you said you did it the yeah the sport I played was the trumpet for seven years I'll bet I'll bet your lungs that were like like if we could like maybe it's been a really long like zoom in zoom in like past your chest x-ray see your lungs muscles like they're so fucking strong hey guys I'm here to talk to you about HBO Max's new show coming out on July 9th called close enough it is from the creator of regular show J.G. Quintel about a dysfunctional family of a married couple their five-year-old daughter and their two divorced roommates all living together in LA best describe it as a surreal animated comedy there's a healthy dose of absurdist comedy and stripper clowns and a talking dog that the that fits the bill one would say fans who have watched regular show growing up are now in that great age range where they can really relate to the stuff that J.G. Quintel's hitting on in the show it's kind of about a being an adult and coming to terms with what that means it's about that time it's what your 30s are all about the entire season is dropping on premiere day July 9th so you can binge all of the episodes at once watch close enough premiering on July 9th on HBO Max I feel like band kids oh man they have some like endurance in like the mental power like I don't know about y'all but like at my school they always had to get up at like 5 a.m. and march on the football field for like hours practicing even before school even started and my school is on it wasn't a fucking parking lot it was a tarmac whoa yeah man so you know my my school was not even that cool like tiny private school we didn't have a football team so we didn't have a marching band we were just a concert okay I was gonna say yeah what were you celebrating real easy Dylan got an A in math let's sing for him yeah everybody needs positive encouragement wait what a what town was it in it was in San Francisco okay so it wasn't like scorching hot no no it wasn't if the balls big thing in south Texas where I grew up so yeah yeah don't know why personally but that's okay that's why in the opening spiel we don't mention sports only how much we've been staying inside yeah yes exactly we live vicariously the only sport I go mad for it marches blitzball hey for real though like if I could ever make a couple it's ball anime like I squeak I know I called you squeenix earlier squaring X if you're listening no they're no they're listening we have to say Square Enix now Mr. Square Enix yeah well I'm trying to be respectful Mr. Enix yeah I didn't I didn't take the name that you trade squares speaking of segways do we want to maybe talk about Josh besides being just a lovely person why you're on this episode in particular and and just let you and he said you know just Aaron I was gonna chill for a second like hiked up all right Josh is my curator and co-developer for recorded by Arisall snap snap snap snap snap I can't say hi Josh hey I was joking we can talk to go go back to the floor please do you do you do much pressure do you want to talk about maybe like I guess it like one thing it's interesting for me is like yeah like East like how you kind of started with the idea and like started working at Josh like talking about like collaborating with people I think it's like an interesting thing because I think there's a lot of people that have ideas but then don't know exactly like how to bring other people in or when to bring other people in or to like to like what level that's kind of like always like a I don't think there's like a right answer but hearing more examples is good the fun thing for me was I think I kind of just brought people in and sometimes not necessarily with permission so not saying I should be the idea ideal but also Bernie fun fact introduced Josh and me or introduced Josh to me and it was because Josh had a pitch that was very similar to recorded by Arisall only kind of like cosmetic I mean the only similarity really was that mine mine was a live-action series and it was a female protagonist that was a vlogger but that's literally where the similarities ended and it was called recorded by car is all I'm Arisall this is my friend so that was that was interesting and that one of my favorite things about Josh he is arguably favorite Josh Wow other Josh's on notice yes I'm saying it now guys one of my favorite things about Josh is actually he was one of the few people I collabed with that was what's the word he was very proactive Josh impressed me hit by he gave me a a spec script as we were talking about ideas and stuff and Josh was also one of the few people who actually asked me when we started working together oh do we have any action items and I was like oh he wants to take action that was a huge relief because as as everyone at this point in this room right now actually has a director title and some capacity and as someone who has worked as a director relief for a long time someone actually going like oh well what should we do instead of me having to direct it was like oh fuck this is amazing it can be really nice yeah it's funny it's funny though because I don't necessarily I wouldn't necessarily like recommend exactly what I did in terms of recorded by Arisall you had you pitched me the show and then I like unsolicited like sent you a spec script which is not necessarily the best way to go about it but I was like I have her voice in my head I have to know if it's right and so I sent it to you anyway hey I mean y'all y'all are here right now and the show is coming out you know next week so what whatever happened I mean like it happened oh yes it's next week I typed that in a slack with Josh and our lead animator Tanya and in parentheses they went holy shit it's coming oh god yeah that's like the one thing I liked about working from home is that I can't see what y'all are working on as easily because before at the office I could have like walked by you so fast and see whatever yeah but now it's like oh I have no idea what y'all are doing so now I'm like watch it as a fan same boat I'm very excited like I you know I've seen bits and pieces but like I haven't actually gotten to see it yet so I'm gonna be there Saturday morning to Monday morning just like Josh I would like to ask you like I guess a fun fact I'm doing vlogs so I also asked him this as well so it might be a repeat but it's new for everyone else double what I guess what kind of went through your head when you first thought when you first heard my pitch about the series I liked that it was going to have to be so character driven and character focused like there's no escaping that when it's a vlog series so the idea of trying to like sculpt a character that would be that interesting and funny and motivating to like draw people's attention that was like what seems so exciting the challenge of like we have to make this character good enough to carry a show basically on her own especially for this prelude series so that was like a creative challenge like that like that kind of a creative challenge paired with like getting to work with like someone like you I was like I have to I have to do this like this is I have to do whatever I can do to like be a part of this show this is going way back but was this in the part of the development ESA where the show was just going to be our is all reviewing different products and review them on it on a scale of one to two which I'm glad you got rid of that part because that I I did that part didn't make sense I'm gonna be honest my pitch was originally it was called recorder by our is all and record five minutes of her playing the recorder very I just realized something y'all have the bet like you know something terrible happens the power goes out whatever and the episode's not gonna come out on time all you have to do you have the easiest thing all you have to do is you start those and go oh oh wait did I just hit record ah shucks and that's it that's the entire episode is she she hit record at the end oh no I just imagine her like leaving the lens cap on oh that's great it's audio only in audio yeah and she's like she's specifically like you know and when I make this gesture no one listens to me and it's like I'll do it how did I'm curious cuz I just like it's always interesting to like talk to you other people like who clobber together like how do you I always have this thing where like people will you know they'll like they'll mention like an idea they have or they'll you know they'll say like I'm working on this thing and maybe tell me a little about it and there's a lot of times where I'll say like oh yeah that sounds really cool like let me know if you want to talk more about it like I'm super happy to is do you all have a good like do you all have a good sense of like when is it because I also don't want to be pushy or assume that they would want to talk to me about it more but I also don't like I'm like trying to like give them the invitation let them do with it but like East I like what you're talking about where it's like should people be pushing me like hey no I really like that thing let's talk about that thing you know like is there like a middle ground or like how how do you navigate that any of that makes sense also I just like I just I don't like being a bother right Harry you're never bother yeah I appreciate it I don't know I it's true you're not but I understand your feelings yeah I don't know it's a it seems like it's it's better to just like air on the side of like letting people know their ear interested it really is at least in my experience it really kind of just comes down to whether or not the the person that you hmm the person man it I'm like trying to put words into it because it's like I'm it definitely depends on the person because I think I'm also the type of person who if you offered me that I would actually be like oh cool thanks and then I'll like file it away to be like okay if there's this thing that happens I know that I have carry on my side and I'll ask him and that that won't stop me it's just sometimes at the moment I won't ask you I might ask someone else and then I can get my answer there so I guess that's my secret I have many collaborators yeah this is definitely this is definitely not like I'm definitely not saying like oh why didn't you ever reach out to me about require virus all yeah like I'm really hurt by it I think about a lot no but just yeah I like in general it's like yeah it's tough cuz like I like I just I maybe I'm mostly just like socially terrible too but like I just never know like what is the good balance between being interested and being annoyed but that's kind of life I guess huh you know you got to find somewhere in the middle yeah I think for me my with Josh anyway it was it was nice from my experience because once I got Josh on board my first thought was got him this is Josh he has agreed to be my soundboard and also vice versa so I end up I end up leaning more on Josh just by virtue of we're working partners now now so I feel like Kerry my first thought is that kind of reminds me of how maybe like you and Miles had first started out on Ruby sure I can see that yeah yeah I mean yeah that was I mean I mean really that was like Monty and I too of like one day he told me about a thing I was like yes and you know yeah it's definitely it was easier back then too cuz I could just like stop by his desk all the time be like yeah we did reset point we're like okay we're gonna need more help but I mean yeah he was super interested in it too so it like it was like I guess it's like maybe if there's like a moral to this it's like let people know just be honest and let people know that you're interested because you know what's the worst they're gonna say is like no we're like not talking about it but if you don't if you don't let them know then how will they know to ask yeah so Aaron and Josh I did want to like I guess like throw that question out to you if only cuz my perception of both views that Aaron I think for you Aaron you collaborate with a lot of different people but as an artist or illustrator I think you do tend to kind of just work on your own as opposed to my perception which is I'm in a room with Josh and we're or even like the way that writers room works we're with writing Ruby for example Carrie as opposed to like us kind of like throwing out ideas and then we're kind of committing or being like I don't know I don't like that what is the level of collaboration there for you Aaron yeah I mean they're still a good amount of collaboration it's not like the artists are allowed to be completely independent or anything like I mean as speaking as like a concert artist not so much as an art director like I'm still we're still going to Carrie or any of the directors and be like hey what did you have in mind for this character or the set etc etc most of time like they've been pretty open like if to like hear new ideas if we have any most of the most I mean hey it never hurts to try makes it no I understand a great yeah I mean so yeah there's been like plenty of times like we'll pitch something that you probably had even like mentioned or like you only gave us like the bare bones of like a character and we're like we're gonna I'm gonna try a B and C as options and maybe Carrie will like some of them I usually do yeah I mean we still work with other other departments like as concert artists will work pretty closely with like the modeling department the breaking department even like comp especially when it comes to like mats and mat placement you know animation we literally had a meeting today about something that affected like animation and like art and like how they're gonna work together and testing and all that kind of stuff so yeah I think like the the biggest difference maybe is is a little bit of like and again this is me like not knowing exactly how y'all work together when you're writing RBA but like like active collaboration versus like iterative collaboration if that makes sense so it's like like yeah Aaron like you're talking about like it's a little bit more iterative iterative collaboration where it's like y'all will do a pass on it you look at it and then it goes you know to the directors and then cool here I've done this entire pass let's talk about this versus like I mean like yeah back in the day with like early Ruby writing it was literally Miles and I staring at the keyboard and one of us like write a line and they'd be like well what about more like that it's like okay you know like it's very like as you're going to create the first pass you know and even like as art director now I still I try not to hover over my artists too much like I don't want to be like their mom and be like you have to do it ABC they have to do it this way that way yeah um I definitely like giving them creative freedom when possible because it definitely like gives the opportunity to bring up new ideas like that might have not been explored otherwise so but there is definitely like directions being given to them and I'll give them feedback in that way but it's not rarely do we ever like sit around and be like oh what if we did this and this thing and oh maybe I think we should change this a little bit yeah so it's a little bit more independent that way kind of like how Kerry said there's like different steps I guess yeah yeah I think it's just different different mediums take kind of different especially you know like collaboration yeah exactly I also mentioned Josh in my previous question because I think Josh my perception of you especially from our first impression was as I was thinking oh Josh is a writer and I only ever interacted with you solo so I knew you had friends in death battle but also I never really like fully was in a group with you guys so I'm actually kind of curious as to like hmm what how do you were you are one of the newer out of everyone in this group you came into Rooster Teeth much later than we did so I'm actually kind of curious as to what your experience was like kind of going into and we talked about your personal or your previous stuff and private before but like going from like a solo editor into being in this kind of environment yeah oh my gosh I love it so much I freelanced for many years and basically what became sort of like my bread and butter was I would take on productions that were small enough that I could just do by myself it's like to keep my overhead low and like you know that's how I that's how I made money for years in Austin like doing small productions and it was great and it was a good like learning experience and thankfully I could I could do it for many years and and get by but man that is so just not why I wanted to be a filmmaker like inherently this medium is so collaborative and that's like why I like it so much because I want to be able to like write something and then hands it off and have someone make it cooler and better and like get other people's eyes on it and improve and stuff and it's like what I've enjoyed working with you so much is that like I think you and I aren't afraid of notes and like of of getting feedback that's like you know that to change it to make it better and so there's really like when you and I are in a room and we're talking about like big picture stuff it's like there are no bad ideas and I'll throw a bad idea out just so that you can like make it a better one and that's you know a step forward so no I love working with all the people at Rooster Teeth and it's been so fun like I've been I've been working for a long time but it hasn't felt like filmmaking until I got here. Oh that's an interesting point. Things are definitely weird right now but you know some things are still true we get hungry we get tired and sometimes we just don't have time and that's where Postmates comes in. 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first seven days when you download the Postmates app you can find that on iOS Android whatever whatever you're feeling mainly those two anything you need anytime you need it Postmate it we uh back when I did more stuff in live action uh there's this one time we were trying to like work on like a short for a script as you remember Brandon Marshall Chris and I went to lunch somewhere and on the way there we're like we're driving there and somebody is like somebody said like there's no bad ideas or somebody's about to bring like this might be a bad idea but we just said hey this is the no bad idea car in this car no bad ideas oh my god so like everyone's why I'll think about that it's like okay no bad idea car what about this this reminds me of in high school I had a math teacher my senior year you know how teachers are always like there's no such thing as a dumb question uh I straight up had a math teacher that told some kid like you know how teachers always say there's no such thing as a dumb question well that was a dumb question I was like oh holy shit 911 it is not a fucking murder it's a teacher killed a kid oh my god that kid what happened I can't stand now oh no I said that kid is probably still going to therapy for that oh no he's dead no no oh yeah no not this kid okay I like I like this idea of your car we always uh this is like a really dumb thing that we started doing like a long time ago that's true yeah well now this is arguably dumb but we would always uh like the way that we would like because it is hard it is hard to say hey we're brainstorming and I know we said there are no bad ideas but I'm not sure if this is actually a good idea or not yeah um so we started doing this thing a long time ago in the writer's room where uh we say this not this oh yeah oh yeah so like basically the idea is like okay here's my idea to describe it I'm not like I can't tell you exactly what it would be like I don't know exactly how we would do it but it'd be this not this the character does x and then y and it's like oh like it like it's definitely let's not do that but it gets the idea oh it would invoke this response or get you to this point and kind of gives you like a jumping off point for usually somebody to then say the smarter version of that um but like it's anything you can do to just soften like it's really vulnerable to like especially like I don't know like you know again exactly how y'all work but like coming up with a new world and like being like I mean like I'm sure y'all what they're like do they have phones do they is there is recording storage a thing that they have to think about yeah you know like where does food come from for them you know like all that stuff you have to decide and it's it's it can be really daunting and you know it it uh anything you can do to kind of like soften that and just but it's always good when you do find it sounds like you have like a partner or partners that you can be like hey it's fine just say it's a bad idea I'll just tell you it's a bad idea and it's like we just move on you know there it is definitely uh intent is definitely there I remember one of our first development meetings for talking about recorded by RSL when it was everyone uh all together um the biggest question for everything came kind of from like hey so does she know that like is she editing the videos afterward kind of a thing and uh that was uh I think Josh and I were like we don't want to think about it yeah let's let's just not it I don't want to add to that let's just say it's kind of just movie magic um but it was funny because I remember Austin Hardwick really really like nailed hammered into the thought process behind um behind that idea and then I don't know why I'm talking about this but it was just so striking to me that he did his thing where he rambled for a bit and then I had to look at him and tell him Austin we're not going to do that and he goes oh okay he's uh he he's very like he either like is like oh that doesn't matter it's like like it's exactly talk about like oh who's editing it that doesn't matter or this is the most important aspect of the show and we have to nail it down right now because if it doesn't make sense then none of this makes sense it's like okay yes but I mean it's going to be passionate though like I I think it's a it's a plus but yeah it's also I think a plus you know the way that probably shook out was like you're like no I think we're good he's like okay yeah yeah he he's definitely and he's just like oh oh okay and he kind of like realized yeah it's just it was just one of those things where he's like oh you know what I just I just want to see him like right this way yeah oh no that's what he's he's a problem solver so it's like if you're like should should they should she be editing it what is it he's like we're gonna figure this out and it's like oh it doesn't matter okay okay but that that is one of the reasons why I'm collaborating with Austin was always very fun as well because he really made you feel like a good idea was a good idea um sometimes I need those like cheerleaders yeah yeah whenever we're like in writers like anything really like any reviews like or anything like I think it's like it's I know this is something that like I've struggled before and I think you know other directors have to is like you get into review and it's like cool we have an hour to try and get through everything that we need to so that the team can keep moving and it's really I think easy to just get lost in the like what are the things that need to change because you're trying to go fast and you're trying to say like you know you try to be efficient not fast but efficient and and and make sure you're clear but you you have to stop and say like hey I don't also know you're a human that was a good idea and like you should hear that um and not just focus on the like what needs to change yeah yeah like I I always think about the fact that like when I like when I one of the one like the worst things for me because I have terrible anxiety is like when I uh like send a script to somebody and I'm like oh yeah you know just if you could check this out when you get a second and I'm just like staring at slack waiting for the is typing I'm like okay it was like a 15 page script that's just taken like 20 minutes okay 20 minutes for now but uh it you know it's like I feel like everybody's response is like you want to hear oh that was awesome so like anything that's not that it's like is that bad what does that mean so I don't know I just sorry that was a long uh winded way of saying I agree that it's important to support the positives yeah I definitely had a lot of professors in college that were like oh when you giving critiques like make sure you say something nice if you're gonna say something like negative or provide constructive criticism so it definitely helps to soften the blow but I think I think most people have good intentions whenever they're critiquing your work I don't think anybody's ever gonna be like oh well I don't like carry so I think this kind of sucks yeah well I mean that's fair double checking your scripts so that's how I kind of deal with like any feedback or criticism like especially within the the department or whatever it's like oh they're trying to help me or my work be the best that it can be so I think I think that don't don't take it too personally yeah it's like all right no offense taken that kind of thing yeah that does go to throw it to josh again as well that does make me curious as to like I feel like because this is the first idea or my first show so first show thank you first show first like new world that I've kind of just like I guess I got out of my head and I am curious josh how that process was for you as well and if you kind of like figured out that I was very new at this or if there was anything about that whole process because I felt like it was the first time where I had that kind of level of control over like uh I don't know I don't really like that idea and actually that having weight so um I don't know how did you feel about that whole thing it was great because I think I think there were plenty of things that you really had strong vision for and it probably like I'm trying to think like I think the thing you had the strongest vision for was how you wanted it to feel which is an interesting thing to like direct and steer the ship towards is like a feeling and a tone um so it just meant we had to have a lot more conversations which was totally fine and very fun um but what's great is that you didn't really hold anything else it's too tightly and I think that's important like some people get so attached to a specific thing that they kind of lose sight of the bigger picture but because you were always focused on like the look or the feel and the tone it was like you were always thinking about the bigger picture which meant that you and I like on this smaller level could like build the pieces to get there if that makes sense as opposed to like you kind of I don't know I just imagine it could be it would have been so much harder if you were like no this is how it has to be um and and we're sticking to tiny details like it really it really felt like you like invited me in to help you build something as opposed to like I've already built something and you're gonna make it better but I'm gonna like tie your hands behind your back while you do it I I'm 30 pages into the 32nd page of this Ikea instruction booklet uh I would like you to uh put the drawers in that I've already built versus like hey here's some wood and some screws and let's just we'll figure it out yeah crack some bruise uh guys we invited josh uh on the podcast to compliment me and me old can we compliment you though oh i love your background and your your face that's my job this is like what have I done compliments are hurt painful thank you um I think Kaden kind of mentioned this on our twitter a couple weeks back um talking about uh accepting compliments from each other like I saw this yes um and my advice was like um just like accept it like it makes you it makes you feel better but also like you don't want to be like oh thanks for the compliment but like that always like if I complimenting somebody and they say something like that to me it always makes me feel like shitty it's like oh okay um thanks so I always like accepting compliments let's just say that a fun little um life advice it's almost like a it's almost like an acquired taste uh like it's gonna feel really uncomfortable at first but if you if you could just force yourself to just say thank you yeah like that's it you're like yeah yeah yeah let's like you have to tell yourself like I'm not gonna say anything besides thank you I appreciate it that's it nothing more and if you just can do that for like five times it's like it starts to be like yeah thanks you know like it's you do start to feel it um I think you're deserving of all the compliments and praise and I'm very excited for your show thank you here you go he did it he saw full screen he saw full screen thank you thank you it's ready with you mentioning uh how you say thanks erin because all I I actually distinctly remember uh every time I would compliment you you just smile and go thanks for some reason it's just always in my head I'm like this is just uh a video clip that's playing over and over my head erin just smiling and saying thanks and I'm like I'm living in your head rent free yeah I love erin PMA positive mental attitude oh oh that's true that we love to see it we love to see it Joe Joe clary started like doing that like that's a big thing for him and like I started like thinking about it that's why the new July Kerry is like July Kerry he's July 2020 Kerry Kerry 2.0 Kerry uh Kerry 2.5 uh um it's just like let's be positive y'all hell yeah let's let's just be nice to ourselves for fucking once you know I think we all deserve it yeah we're all just trying to be trying to be our best selves and you know what you can't you can't be hmm you can't be the best if you weren't the worst at something no but you know it's like you know you can't get better if you didn't if you weren't shit at the beginning so you know getting better just means that you started bad but now you're good that's actually gonna be our first t-shirt uh it's all that all that but now you're good wait I love that one there you go speaking of t-shirts bcdubs guys segway whoa segway shirt segway shirt we have a uh the select all shirt um this is the brand that we are going under um for uh the department and look we have for uh god sorry words uh it's one is pink and the other one is pride yeah the pink one could be pride if you're proud of pink it's true it works either way but yeah I believe please please somebody correct me if I'm wrong but this like selects all this kind of like the 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talk to ruby to me which is uh our uh our behind the scenes look into uh ruby and how it's made that uh I've been basically you know bringing on different members of the animation department specifically on ruby and uh talking about the process uh this week's episode is about writing because I knew that uh if once we put the writers on the episode everybody would stop watching uh so I had to put them at the end um I bookended it with directors and writers um I just like these are just the cold hard facts he's uh you're so smart kary it's so hard for me I'm not gonna lie to anybody um but uh it was really it's it was a it was a really fun show to I just love our crew a lot and uh getting getting uh thank you I appreciate it uh getting to uh yeah just getting to talk to more and letting the audience get to know them more it's been really cool so uh if you haven't seen it yet uh I would love it if you checked it out let me know what you think maybe we'll do more in the future um yeah it was fun yay and now I can have my Thursday evenings back watch then now somebody's gonna take your slot it's actually it's already come up it's already come up it's fine it's fine I love all I love it all it's fine but then what's the next important date which is what we've been talking about recorded by aerosol comes out recorded by aerosol recorded by aerosol coming out recorded by aerosol comes July 13th uh that is by the time of this air next Monday for first members and July 20th if you would like to catch it uh for free on the site and also for uh YouTube so first member it's it's almost like it'd be super awesome if you just became a first member to check it out because you get discounts and content and stuff and you support us it's true yeah it's true um uh josh josh are we josh is also an rvb that's rvb zero uh or rvb season 18 um kind of like xbox titling over there okay you're zero here's an eight if I had if I had another finger but it's like whoa did I just spoil like the opening title sequence it's like yeah yeah we'll have to scrap it yeah it's fine it's fine we'll make a new no bad title sequence no bad no bad titles josh is just a fountain of positivity we love it we love to see it um is there anything else you'd want to uh shill about for rvb josh I don't I don't know it's it's it's it's looking awesome so far we are almost through recording all of the uh voice actors for it and that has been just a total blast um they are incredible and we've been like building the characters in the booth and it's been very fun we never really stopped to consider that if you write a show with eight plus characters then you have to spend a lot of time in the booth so that's what we've been doing but it's been really really really fun and I think people are gonna they're gonna they're gonna love it I am very aware of that I was about to say eight characters try like 80 yeah it's okay okay we love to see it love to see it yeah but it's for a good reason because the show's gonna be great I'm really excited for rvb and I think there's gonna be more info uh I know we tweeted about it uh we're having a sandy give comic con panel um we're gonna talk about ruby and record by arizona and uh rvb and maybe some other stuff what is comic on and uh did you say what is comic on or when is comic on okay because that's very uh uh at the end of the month I don't remember that's okay it's a ballpark yeah yeah stay tuned for that I'm excited to hit the beaches of san diego we have um some exclusive clips as well in there so honestly and torian torian is talking about rvb zero for for that as well and he is a loose can and he might just spill every bean there is you never know we never know my beans every all of them you're to hear every single bean will be spilled they say don't cry over spilled milk but what do you do about spilled beans this summer I really like this one carry I really like it rvb zero colon beans that's all I got that's our peak guys that's that's that's how we have to go out yeah that's that's it that's top bean top bean thank you as usual carry thank you erin and thank you josh for uh being here on the show it was wonderful to hang out with you guys yeah thank you and thank you to the audience for tuning in if you haven't already please like and subscribe to i have no if you have any notes for us comment make sure you get leave us a note even if it's a love note if you have any ideas for things we could talk about just uh tweet at us or use the hashtag I have notes oh it's just search that hashtag now carry and it has now committed yeah well we'll come with a fun one every week oh yes yes yes it's true thanks guys bye