 Welcome to Toffy TV. It's the final word. A. TV. Edling. Nill. Everton. 22. And six this allowed. This won't be a, you know, fully broken down description of the game. We're just going to have a general chat otherwise we'll be here till Thursday. We'll be here broken down. So, in the first minutes. I can't remember half of the goals, never mind anything else. It was mad. I can. Oh, look at them. They've watched them over and over again, haven't you? 22. Nill. First of all, Bas. Was this a worthwhile game of football to have? Yeah. 100%. Why? Because players are away. Training. Trained Saturday morning. By the way, they don't have any training. And when you're playing any team, you're playing any team, Sunday league, school, anything, Saturday league, playing a game of football is always better than training, always. And if you've trained all week, you play your first couple of pre-season friendlies, play against anybody and it doesn't matter because you're putting your kit on, your shin pads, your boots, you're getting out. And that's exactly what Everton did at the weekend. Everton knew this wasn't going to be the strongest opposition. Weenio, the fifth of his Nostrian side, you know, it's not going to be real Madrid, but it's still worthwhile. OK, it was a lot easier than probably what we anticipated, but it was a good opportunity for players to start getting the principles, getting used to the principles of what the man has he wants. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I honestly believe that any of the teams I've ever played for would not have lost that game 22-0. You don't know it over here. Well, no, I don't know, but because there's levels. But on the flip side, I think what it highlights is the ridiculous expectations that are placed on everything nowadays in football. This game easily could have just been, you know, I mean, if this game had been played, let's say 20, 24, 25 years ago, when there was no internet, no mobile phones, you would have seen was a little thing in the echo about it. And there wouldn't have been no coverage of it, no video of it, no nothing. In fact, if you go back, there's like books, I've got a few of them, and they're like dairies of the season for like the 90s or the 80s. Mark O'Brien used to do stuff for Wentz Guys again. He's done a few. And you see like these friendlies and you see like these pitches and the players all just mingling in with the fans because there's no phones, there's no nothing. Probably went for a bevy after the match with them. And they were all like this, but there was no, nothing was heightened. It was just a game of 40 after the training camp. And because nothing was heightened, I imagine, I imagine people might have slacked off or the ref might have cut some time or whatever, you know what I mean? But now because of everything, it's just like everything's just like everyone wants to know and all the goals are on and the game was on live. And obviously so everything's just heightened now. But I'm the same as you, you know, it was a chance for players to go out and just in a training game environment, really, and just put out there what they'd learned that week, you know, whether it be just small passages of play or where the manager wanted them to be or set pieces or whatever. And just dust off the cobwebs, really, and just have a game of 40. That's it. I mean, I don't understand. I think most people took it for what it was, but I've seen comments on, I've seen, like, some editing fans, only, and I'd say some, it's a few, a few. A bit like a small few going on, what was the point and all that? Well, it would just been happier if they'd just trained twice on Saturday and come home, what difference does it make, what difference does it make to anybody that we played this game? And won it by that score? Why does it have to be a good thing or a bad thing? It was a training game at the end of a training camp. It was the first pre-season game. It doesn't matter what it was. I actually think it'll do some plays the world a good. I think it'll do the likes of Towson the world a good. Scoring goals. It doesn't matter who you're scoring them against. When you're a centre forward, you want to score goals. Ni ash, Luchman, them kind of people are. I think goals may be great, but you still want to score goals. Well, it's on, Joe. You know what, he was the person I felt the most, I felt really sorry for him because he waked his socks off in the first half, set a couple of goals up. The woman talks to him and I keep it, he just rolled it to him to tap it in just to get him off the mark, you know what I mean? I felt sorry for him because Marales come on was on a minute and was in the middle of the goal and the ball rolled through. And it's like, we've all been there. You can't score and you come off and someone comes on. It's the money ass and goals in that for it was like. At the end of the day, it's the second week of training. Probably stepped up this week. You know, that's why they've gone to Austria. Stepped up a little bit, a little bit tougher. So at the end of the week, what do you want? Do you want to, if you're just going through the pages of things, you don't want a strenuous game where the other team are going to be, you know, up to a certain level, because from a physical point of view, then you might start pulling muscles and doing all these kinds of things because you haven't played football for the best part of two months. So from that point of view, and look at the other things that I've got. You know, I've seen a list just of games, Italian teams. And I've seen some Italian teams with one like 17-0 and 15-0. This is what they do. This is what they do on the continent. It's to get a dead easy face game, and then every game just steps up and up and up and up and up and up. I don't think Everton do this enough. I've seen Premier League teams like not last year or the year before, or something like that. Sure, it was like Palace or something that won like 14-0 in Sweden and things. And it's like people are like, what? But that's how you start, you start by a game. And then, like you say, you build it up and you build it up and you build it up. And that's what it's all about. It's about the man that you say, look, we've worked on this all week amongst yourselves. We've done it small-sided games, we've done it in practice games. Now we're going to take that into a match against, or I don't matter what level. I don't know how Silver said himself after the game. It didn't matter the level of the opposition. And the goals didn't matter, but it was about putting things together on that pitch. Yeah, because you need a competitive edge. No matter what the level is. If you practice something, if you can continue to practice, that edge won't be there. You need that competitive, you know, if you've got someone in training who knows how something's going to get done, they're not going to try and stop you from doing it. They're going to allow you to get on with it or whatever. But if you do that in a game situation, the person against you doesn't know what's going to happen next. You see the fruit of it. Sometimes it needs to be broken down to the very basics of it. And have an opposition that will be like level one, and then you'll have level two and then level three. And it's as they get fitter, they get sharper. Well, we go to Berry on Wednesday. We're a much different game. They'll be wanting to make a name for themselves. They'll be diving in and getting stuck in trying to win the game. We have to step it up again and it goes to a different level. Now, Berry won't be the same level as Lale and as Porto at the weekend. Cos naturally, then two teams will probably be a lot more technical, you know, than Berry. They might be as fitters, Berry. I don't know where they're up to with their pre-season, but technically, they'll be better. And then we've got obviously Valencia who will be another, you know, Blackburn, which will be another test, then Valencia. So it is about building up step by step. It doesn't matter. People just need to go pre-season. I personally, you know, I have never seen Everton win 22-0 and I've six goals this a lot. So I enjoyed sitting there watching it because it was like a live training session almost, but with a little bit of an edge. Cos they obviously wanted to do all right. The thing what impressed me, if you're going to take things from, was eight, I think quite clearly, we saw Marco Silva's tactics in terms of how many likes to get around a penalty area and the way our wingers tucked in and the fullbacks went on the outside. I thought that was good. I thought Leighton Bain was excellent at getting up and down. I thought the fact that we didn't stop, we didn't really take our foot off the pedal in terms of trying to score goals in both halves of both teams, try to get as many as they could. I thought that was quite good. So just little things. And I thought the players worked hard and were trying to impress. That's what I took from it. And given the training in the morning, quite stringuously, I believe, I thought it was a worthwhile exercise. What did you think of the team that started the game, the actual team? Do you think of the team? Do you think that's a basis for moving forward? I think. Or do you think that was just a one eleven and another eleven? But the first eleven featured more plays you'd expect to play. Plays you'd expect to start, let's say, on the first day of the season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the shape as well. I think we saw, obviously, the back four was, it was Coleman, we'd expect to start, Holgate and Keane, we thought we'd be listening to that very soon to do. No, I know. Just a little score. Just a little score, which was hilarious, wasn't it? And we've got Bains today. Yeah, happy with that. If that back four stepped out in the Premier League, it'd go, yeah, all right. You know, let's see what these are like. Pickford, obviously, will be in gold. Stech on Berg, it's not to be, did he? And then you look into the midfield and thought Snidlin looked like he was bothered. You know, you know what I mean? Haven't seen him. That's a step up. Haven't seen him. First time to Lassie, he didn't really look for whatever. Well, what made you know that he's got to be bothered, hasn't he? He's got to be. So he thought he was good, thought Tom Davis in the midfield there, and then you had, you had had them all of luck, man. Yeah. Then you're on one wing, you had Sando on the other, Cair and Dal playing, like a Sigarton role. And you're at 1,000. So that was a nice shape to it. That's how he likes to play. It was, you know, it was the four, two, three, one, a formation, which is what he favours, but they can be flipped to a four, three, three, which we saw at a time. So, yeah, I think probably that would be the bigger indication of the two sides. That would be the team that you'd look at and go, that's like the team. They were obviously sat off. You know, Theo was sat off on the sideline. You'd obviously see he was guilty. Sigarton wasn't a gano, wasn't an picked it, wasn't it? So the before he would probably go straight into that team. And then there's a cook, you know, Davy Clasham was not what, you know, he's stiff, so he wasn't playing. Sheb, Benningham, he had a minor ankle injury. Mwg yn amru, a big buton. So I don't know what minor that is. Janik, Bellassie was six, so he. So, yeah, I think that probably when you look at it, the team in the first half, you would say, looks like that's what he's working towards. And then the team in the second half had a lad trying to try to get in and fight for those places. But I thought both teams worked equally hard. Nice to see the legs of Andy Robinson. Well, yeah, that was interesting, cos he obviously started at left back in the second half, and, well, Martina didn't kick, wasn't the second choice for the other. So, I mean, again, not making more of it than it is, but just those into it. I think Michael Silvers, the kind of fella. Who, straight from the off, is almost saying to people what their role is under him. So I think, even though it is just a training game or whatever, I think that tells me straight away that certain players are more in favour than other players. So even if it's like that is the second choice number one, is the second choice number ten, and Robinson's the second choice left back. Sandro's second choice right-hand side. I mean, I don't know whether that, I don't know whether who else would have really fitted into that role. Maybe he could have played Dal left and Luchman right-codd. But I think Luchman, for me, is more of a left-hand side. But I think that's another thing that has to be established quickly with players, is that where they're going to play with young players. But I think he will do it, but I think that's the kind of man that he is. I think he's quite intense. I liked what he was saying about we train as we play. So that was David Moyers' thing. You train exactly the same way as you're playing. Then there's no differentiation between training and playing. You go in and you do your bet. You put everything into it. And then so when you come to the game on the Saturday, you don't have to step it up. You're naturally at that level ready to go. And that's why Moyers' teams were so competitive, whether they had the show comes, of course, they did, but they were very competitive. And I think that's probably one of the most difficult things is a manager is to get the players. I think you see the likes of Guardiola does it, like that thing, Klop does it, like that pot of tea, you know. It's probably the same thing with Mary, you know, probably the same intensity. I suppose you've got to do it like that because if you have to, you don't. Then what are you preaching because at the end of the day, how does a player know what the level is? Unless you're showing them what the level is, you know what I mean? How are the evidence, doesn't it? No, of course it does it. I'm sure it's happened at Everton, plenty, but the point is how would the player ever know what, what the level he's supposed to reach is if he walks out on the pitch on a Saturday and you're playing a team and he's like, well, we're not up to this level. Because if you don't, if you don't, they look like that last summer. Well, I know, but if you don't play to it, if you don't train to a certain level, you're not going to be fit out there. So, and that's what you've got. That's what I'm saying. He, for me, this is everything I've read, just played out on Saturday. The stuff that I've looked at, the listen to the people who played under them, the stuff I've read, the Portugal and about Greece and the time there. They're all played out in front of me on Saturday. Forget the result, the result's not the right one there. The opposition for me was not the right one there. It's great that we won. All the dice at the top of 3-0 and defended it. We know we won off. But for me, it's principles are coming across immediately. What I would say is that I don't think the result is to be sniffed at. I liked the fact that they kept on going on Saturday. And I know it was a nothing team, but you know what? After the first 15 minutes when we were 6-0 up, I was like, this is stupid. But I thought someone's going to, someone's going to. Like, I kept on expecting this someone to just go, like, rather not. I know that wasn't going to happen, but I liked the fact that players kept on going and obviously this, don't forget as well. It was two different sides. Really only 45 minute game for two different teams. That's all it was really. It's a shame they couldn't swap it all their plays at that time as well. Because obviously Matt... And their keeper made about four really good saves, didn't he? And did other things. No, he did, but he made some great saves. No, but I'm glad that both teams... What was good as well is it was almost like a little contest. The team in the second half were like, can we beat 10? And obviously, you know, the way they tired and stuff, it was always going to happen. But I liked the fact that those players kept on playing and they were hungry and they wanted more. Like you said, Towsham wanted to get goals. Luchman wanted to get goals. Neas wanted to get goals. Kevin Morales, whatever you say about Kevin Morales. I'm glad he wanted to just, you know, keep trying to get the goals. I've been on it, I've been on it. He went on and just went... He's like a gael, you see, you haven't seen for ages, and then she puts the little dress on and you look and you go... You know that he's full. You know she'll go cause you trouble, right? But you know a couple of times you've done that. You're also knowing with that. You also know what the morning after pitch is like. No, but that's it. But when you're there in the middle of it with him, he's like the sus, he's like, never gonna need boss money. He was dancing as six men. And like they went there, he was going, I don't like Morales, innit, actually? You know, if we'd have brought him on. But you just think, no, he could have come on. Listen, he probably couldn't have done it, but in your mind you think he might come on and just stroll around like he's not around. Cause I've seen him do that, well many a time. But he didn't see come on and he was like, you know, and he might look at it and go, I know me times over here, but I've got to do the best I can cause for other clubs looking. Or this man that he might look and go, all right, well, if we can't get him in, we might give you a chance. You know, blast he goes out the door to take him. And we couldn't get another player off that side. He might look at Morales and go, well, like you just said, like you're the number two now for that left wing. So you're backing the fold, do you know what I mean? I'm not saying he would. But that's how every player has to approach it. Bezart has to approach it and go, I want to be in this midfield. The professionals at the end of the day, Andy, this is what people, you know. I don't think we, it seems though, sometimes, like we haven't been professional. And that's what I'm saying. That's because, that's because. But that might just be a perception. That's because I think some managers don't push the players to be professional or treat them in a way that is unprofessional and then don't get it back. If you know what I mean, so if Silver's going in there, Silver comes in and goes, you're my squad. You know, no one's going to be, no one's going to be told any differently. You're not better than him. You're not better than him in terms of, you know, you're all my squad. It's my job to get you all fit for the season. If someone comes in for an offer, then we have to consider that offer. But his job at this present moment is just to get all those people fit. That's his own, and up to speed in terms of what he wants. But that's, you can't go, well, you're not in my plans. You might as well go over there and have a rest. It doesn't work like that. He treats them like it. It did work like that. OK. It shouldn't work like that. But the point is, you walk in and go, you're my player. It's my responsibility to get you fit, to get you up to speed, and then we make decisions based on that. Yeah, listen, even reading between the lines and listening to what some of the players are saying. And, you know, they're three of them now, going to managers, he's approachable, he's chatting up, he talks with you all the time, tells you what you want, you know what you expect, blah, blah, blah. That kind of thing makes a difference with players. And again, that falls into what I did about when he's at other clubs. If you've got a manager that speaks to you and goes, look, I want you to do this, you know, to get in it. This is my principles. This is what happens, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're more likely to go, you're all like, I'm on board. You're like, what do I need to do? You might not still get in because you might be, you might have someone in front of you who thinks it's better. But if you know what's expected, you know what you'll have to do, you see everybody working. One of the, I can't remember a bit well, I suppose it's Jax, might have been Jax, might have been Coleman saying, off the pitch, he can say I want it, it's staff are working already. Do you know what I mean? It's all there. But we've got to do our bit. That's a big thing and you know what, we haven't spoke about it, but things like bringing Danny Donahue back and things like that, they're really important things, you know. So things like that really matter. We will do a bit of all this stuff. Things like that really matter, so you know. Pleasure made up by the way. Yeah, well they will be, yeah, they will be. The man looked after, you know, the Moise boys for a long time and yeah, but that's a different, I'm not saying that him leaving the club, you know, didn't help Martiners, but that's exactly what I am saying. That's what I am saying. No, but hence, James McCarty. Listen, it was a good, did you see McCarty's name on the subs? By the way, the weekend, don't like the team. And then it was like James McCarty, I was thinking, he's sub? No, it's like giving a squad, a squad list, didn't it? But now listen, it was a good run out. Score doesn't matter. It was a good run out. It just happened to be one of those games. It matched just how you just said and it was the first thing I thought at the weekend was I'm glad he kept going. He just kept going and it wasn't like you said. Even the team the second half, 20 minutes ago, it's like, what, 17-0 or something like that. About now. It was like, no, I want to get more goals. I want to get more. And people were like, disappointed when he didn't score. And he asked desperate, yeah, he just won goals, won goals. And if you laugh and saying, look at the difference in him. Two years ago, we played, I think David Austin, the second division team, we beat them on the Galawiths, but Neas came on and fell over the ball or started and all that. And it was like, he just looked so desperate. And at the weekend, he comes on, shy foot's won in there, he goes on. Just the player himself, just looks like more of a footballer. Do you know all I want, right? And this is genuine. And I don't care whether this is my Rallis. I don't care whether it's Bessage. I don't care whether it's Ashley Williams. I don't care if it's Snadlin. All I care about, right, is that even if it comes in for any of those players, that none of them are desperate to get out the door. Do you know what I mean? That's all I want as a fan, is to know that. Do you want to stay? Do you want to stay because they've gone, I haven't gone this far, like something, don't I? I'm getting a fair crack at the whip. And then I'm willing to give it back. Cos, as I said, I think like the likes of my Rallis could have easily turned up on Saturday and just gone, I asked, not to do with me, this. But he was a professionalism in all of them. And I think that's the biggest thing you can take from him. Sorry, and Sandro, he's been away from the club since January. Did he want to come back? Probably not, probably just want to stay in Spain, he's hoping that, but back in Spain, smile and sweet and pit, come on, everything's eating. And that's what you want, you want that, like, you know, we might have come back and gone, this is actually all right, this, this, you fell it in, seems like I can start fresh. Cos don't forget last summer, he turned up the week before the season, cos he'd been, like, done well with the 20 months, he turned up over the thing he did when we were playing the game, it was a week before the version, and then all of a sudden we were in games, competitive games, and his feet didn't seem to touch the ground. Pre-season, get in first day like this time, and, you know, people like him, it's an opportunity to go, I'll give this one more go, you know, see what happens, he might do well. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, the likes of him, you know, might have a, might have a big, you know, a big part of play. Yeah, he just don't know, do you? You don't know, he's got to be ready, and those players have got to be ready for every eventuality. Silver's got to be ready for the fact that the target he wants might, he might need to get, do you know what I mean, and he might go, well, if I can't get that target, I've got this kid the order of the year. So those players have got to be professional, no-one might come calling for Sando, he's on decent wages, you know what I mean, no? You've got big wages, let's be honest. I don't want to push that, I want to be nice. He's on good clubs, he's on good wages. No, teams in Spain might just look at and go, we can't pay you the quarter, you know, we can't. So you either take a massive pay cut and come back, or you stay there and have a go, and he might go, you know what, you're right. Listen, if I'm getting a fair crack at the way, they know how to play me, and this goes to all the players, the likes of Bessage as well, Bessage might fit perfectly in to a system that this manager wants at. Who knows, who knows, you know what I mean, but so let's wait and see, but as I said, I'm happy with the professionalism from Saturday, with the way great, the fact that none of them seem to be slacking off, they kept wanting to score, and you're right what you said before, it's nice to see the likes of Gent Ocean, putting the ball in the back of the net, taking chances, and that's what you want. It's calm, isn't it? When he's through, it's great, and that's all you need, you just... Tell him he's gone, tell him he's gone. Where's that going? It's calm in front of going, that's what you want to see, you want his confidence of. So we build through, and listen, we've won the game, we've won a 22 now, and it's all good. Yeah. Record, record ever win. Clean sheet, boss. Did the second big have one save, didn't he? I don't think he did, did he? Didn't he just catch a cross? I don't know. What's wrong with that? He looked, he's still good. He's just a big fella. Beautiful, good. Happy days. Here, Abbie, let us know your thoughts. I know this game's been laughed at, ridiculed, whatever, but I don't want it to be sad, personally. Nice Saturday afternoon, watching Evan win 22 now. Exactly. Abbie, I love pre-season, pre-season. Water's just no for it, to give it to him. It's just like, watch games at 40, and just be happy, and it's just, aw, great. And if we could just have a couple of players in soon as well. That's just too nice. Right, innit? That will be nice, yeah. It will, but just let's get to it. Give us your thoughts in the comments anyway. If you haven't already, please subscribe. Click the bell for a later, so you know exactly when a video comes out. And if you want more videos, join us on Patreon. We'll see you later.