 Okay, thank you for connecting to the class today. As we get started with our spring semester, spring 2022. Thank you for joining this class on the end times. I'm good to see all of you back. Let's just take a moment to pray and then we will get into the course, get started. So could I request somebody to please pray? Could any one of us just lead in prayer and then we will start? Alright. Alright, can I pray? Alright Charles, go ahead. Father God, we are really thankful that you love us. You saw us through many things. Now we are set for this great study. You tell us in Isaiah 45, 11 that ask of me or the thing concerning the future. So we are here that we can learn about the future. But we know that for you, you are already in the future, you have been there. And now as we try to learn these things, explain them to us and help us have the feeling and the touch so that when we are done with our study, we will be able to understand these things. Because again, you told Abraham that Abraham is my friend. Can I hide him? What I am going to do? We believe that you are not going to hide anything from us. Now that we are here, we are ready, we are expectant, teacher, so Lord, we are ready to learn. So that we will not die because of lack of knowledge. But instead we will be able to stand to give the reason for the hope we have in you. In Jesus' name we will pray and believe. Amen. Amen, amen. Thank you Charles. Once again, good morning to everyone. Welcome. I realize we are in different parts of the world. So maybe evening somewhere or very early in the morning somewhere. Welcome everyone. I am just going to introduce the course. I have put the three PDFs that we are going to get started with. And then as we go along, I will keep sharing the PDF for the upcoming lectures on this course on the end times. So just to let's get started with an introduction or an overview of what we are going to cover in this course on the end times. So we, as the title would suggest, are going to be looking at Bible prophecy. What the Bible foretells concerning the end times, the times that we are in and the time to come. And we are going to look at some historical information because a lot of things that the Bible speaks about, even concerning the end times, deals with the nation of Israel. And so we will look back, get some basic information, historical information, and then we will look into the future. Our goal, or let me say the focus in this study or in this course on the end times is to help us kind of put together a biblical timeline or a sequence of end time events. Trying to understand, you know, what is the most likely sequence of the events that are going to take place, starting from where we are on into eternity future as given to us in scripture. So it is more of, you know, an overview, a high level of a panoramic view of end time events. Now we will get into some of the details that the Bible gives to us. Now, so that's the focus of this course. And then in our third year, we get into the books of Daniel and Revelation, verse by verse. So we won't be doing a verse by verse study of Daniel and Revelation in this course. In this course, it's going to be an overview of Bible prophecy and the signs of the times and those kinds of things. But in our third year course, we will go through the book of Daniel, verse by verse, and also Revelation, verse by verse. So it will be a more deeper study, again, off Bible prophecy and end times. And along with Daniel and Revelation in our third year, we will look at Bible prophecy from other books like Isaiah, a little from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Joel, and the other scriptures that point to end time events. We will reference that as well. But in this course, we're going to be referencing those passages. We will, you know, we will say, okay, Daniel said this and Revelation says this and we kind of do an overview of the chapters and Revelation. But it's not going to be a verse by verse study that we will keep for the third year course on Daniel and Revelation. So I will, you know, the course materials, I will put out these PDF notes for you. What I am thinking of doing is also sharing some textbooks, meaning some some good, you know, the fact is that just so many different views and so many different people have written so many different books on the end times. Christian teachers and professors and so on. But I probably will share a few with you just things that we that we will be following or, you know, the perspective that we will be taking. And I will explain that little later today. So I will give you the notes. The notes should be good enough for you to really study and get a good grip on end time Bible prophecy. But I will also make some of these other books available to you if you're interested in reading just that, you know, many of these books are like 300 400 pages, which, you know, it's not easy to read. It's it takes a lot of time. As usual, you know, we'll have three assessments. We will put them out towards the end of this course or somebody to the latter part of this course just to assess the material that we are covering. Now, one of the people, like, like I said, there are many, many people who have written books. One of the people I would recommend if you want to go online and study is Dr. Jacqueline Impe. Now, he went home to be with the Lord. I think it was 2020, I think it was so. But he in his ministry spent. I don't know, maybe 60 years or so just teaching Bible prophecy. So he is, you know, many people called him the walking Bible. He could quote the scriptures and and and and and his focus was on end time Bible prophecy and he spent many decades just ministering teaching on that. So he's a very respected authority in the subject. And so I would recommend that and I will give you a few more professors from Bible. Jacqueline Impe was more of an evangelist teacher, so on. But then there are others who are more from an academic perspective. There's this J. Dwight Pentecost who wrote like a classic book on eschatology, which many students would study and I'll make that available to you. So I would, you know, just share that with you as well. But if you really want to go and, you know, watch videos and read material and read books, I would point you to Dr. Jacqueline Impe. There are others like Tim Lahey, who's also written a lot of books on this subject. And I will explain why I mentioned these and not others. Right. So that's just a quick introduction here. So let's get into our course material just before we do that. Are there any questions on what we will be talking about, what we will not be talking about? Any questions? Maybe they'll come up a little later. Okay. All right, Charles, you've got a Jacqueline Impe prophecy Bible is very good. Nice. Okay. All right. Maybe questions will come up later. So let's get into the introduction to kind of share how we are going to be approaching this subject. Now, the word eschatology, which is more of a technical word for the end times or the last things is simply means you're studying scripture. You're studying by the Bible on what it says about end times or coming world events and on into the future. So that's what word eschatology means. Now, you know, we in our day and time, you know, when we look around the world, there's so much so many things happening. You know, whether it's in the realm of global politics, things happening in various nations around the world, then there is this whole things that grip people globally. You know, nowadays it's not local things. Things that happen are, you know, just have a global impact. Whether you talk about fear, you talk about terrorism, you talk about racial intolerance, all these things are global. They're no longer, you know, happening somewhere in some isolated part of the world. Then there are these scientific and technological advances that are happening. It's just amazing what's what's happening when we keep reading about advances in science and technology. There are, of course, environmental and climate changes that are happening. And, you know, we're living in the middle of a pandemic right now. And if you're looking at how, you know, the world has almost come to a standstill for the last two plus years, almost two years and more. And then when we look at what the Bible says, you know, the kinds of plagues that have been during the tribulation are going to be much more severe than, you know, what we are seeing right now, when, you know, there have been numerous lives that have been lost in the pandemic. I'm not downplaying that. But when you look at the book of Revelation, the plagues that happened there, the judgments that happened, there are even more severe. You know, it's hard to fathom in our minds the, you know, the gravity of what Revelation talks about. Then there are, of course, social challenges and there are religious and spiritual challenges. And you'll find that all of these things are in a heightened level or happen in a heightened level during, you know, what we refer to as the tribulation period. The Bible calls it the tribulation, as we see, as we will see in the book of Revelation. So what we want to answer is, you know, just put some reasons together as to why it's important for us to study about the end times. I mean, why should we have two courses, you know, one in your second year and another one in your third year on the subject of the end times? Why should we, you know, study on this? Here are some reasons I've just put down together from Scripture. One, the first reason we could say is that, you know, God has revealed this to us about creation, redemption, life, death, eternity and even things to come. And he wants us to understand it. In fact, he invites us to study it. The first three verses in the book of Revelation. Would somebody want to read that out for us, please? Revelation chapter one, verses one, two and three. Somebody can read it out. All right. Revelation one, one, two, three. The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants. Things which must shortly take place. And he sent and signified it by his angel, his servant John, who bore witness to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, all the things that he saw. Breasted is he who read this and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it for the time he's in here. Amen. Thank you, John. So the book of Revelation starts off like this. It's like it says, okay, and if you want to paraphrase this, it's saying, okay, this is what Jesus has revealed to his servant John. Through his messenger angel. And these are things which must shortly take place. And John recorded everything that he heard from Jesus and which he saw. Jesus revealed to him. And then he says, verse three, blessed are those who read this prophecy. That means blessed are those who read. We hear the words of all these things that have written about things that are yet to come. And those who keep those things which are in it for the time is near. So you say, you know, it's, it's God is inviting us and look, I have revealed this to John. Of things that are to come. And you're going to be blessed as you read it, understand it, keep it, live by it because the time is near. Now, just a side note, right? This was given back in 8090. That means close to 2000 years ago. And so people obviously asked the question. You know, Jesus said it's shortly to take place. The time is near, but 2000 years have gone. What about it? And that we must keep in mind that God speaks many thousands of years in advance. As he did, you know, even in the Old Testament, we will look at some of these prophecies just to remind ourselves that God does speak sometimes thousands of years in advance. And also that as far as God is concerned, the one who dwells in eternity, you know, this earth period, this period on the earth is very, very minute compared to eternity itself. Now for us, it seems like a long time of 2000 years ago and these things are still happening. It seems like a very long time for us. But from God's perspective, it's near. It's shortly. Right. So that's the perspective that we must keep in mind as we look at Bible prophecy and things. Secondly, you know, why is it important for us to study and times the signs of the times so that, you know, we will also be mindful of the times. In which we live and we will be careful in the way we order our lives. So the Bible, you know, calls us to do that. Romans the 13th chapter versus 11 to 14. And somebody read that for us, please. Romans 13 11 to 14. And do this knowing the time that now it is high time to awake out of sleep. For now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed the night is far spent the days at hand. Therefore, let us cast off the worlds of darkness and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy, but put on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the flesh to fulfill its lust. So thank you. So look at how Paul's, you know, he's speaking to believers as knowing the time. So we're supposed to live knowing the time, you know, now in our day to day lives. That's how we normally order our lives. We are watchful about what time of day or night it is. And, you know, then we order our lives according to that. Now he says our Christian life, our walk of faith is also in a similar way ordered with the time factor kept in mind. So knowing the time. And so we are in a way we are so we, you know, don't engage in the things of darkness, but we walk in the light and knowing that the day is at hand. The day of course he's referring to is the day of the Lord, the coming of the Lord. So the day is at hand. So, you know, we walk in the light. And there are other scriptures also that speak to this truth. The third reason we want to study or we need to study about in times so that we could have hope. You know, we go through all kinds of things on earth. Life is not always easy. Things happen. But when we understand about what God has said concerning things yet to come and the eternity that's ahead of us. It fills us with hope, even though, you know, we may be going through challenges in this life. And so there's that sense of, hey, there are greater things up in the future which God has provided our plan for us. And so I can journey through this. It's okay. I can journey through the challenges I may be going through here and now. So John writes this. He says, you know, first John chapter three was two and three. Can somebody read that for us, please? First John chapter three. This John chapter three was two to three. Beloved, now we are children of God and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when he is revealed, we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is. And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself just as he is pure. Thank you. So John is telling us, you know, when he is revealed, when the Lord is comes, we are going to become like him. You know, we are going to be changed. We're going to put on these glorified spirit bodies and we're going to see him as he is. In other words, look, this is the great hope that we have. And because of that, and so we have this hope. And therefore, John here says, okay, we purify ourselves just as he is pure. When you read Peter's episodes, first and second Peter, especially in first Peter, Peter emphasizes that over and over again in his episode. If you want to just summarize first Peter, really he's talking about living in the midst of suffering with the hope of Christ's return. That's first Peter, essentially. He keeps reminding the Jewish believers who have been dispersed through Asia. He's saying, look, we have this hope of his return, Christ's return. And therefore, you know, we can endure whatever suffering we're going through. So we have this hope that we are going to see him. We're going to be like him and we will see him as he is. And so it gives us hope as we journey through life. The fourth reason, studying just a couple of more reasons, studying the end times is so important. It's so that, you know, we are in agreement. We have found that, you know, God is unfolding, his glorious plan. So things on earth are not just left to happen, you know, at random. It's not that God is forsaken people, you know, the human race, but God is unfolding, his glorious plan. In the midst of all that we are seeing happen around us, which sometimes may be very chaotic. Sometimes we can't even understand why all these things are happening. Yet over and above all of that, God, we have found that God is unfolding his glorious plan. He's going to get everything, redeem everything back to himself. And that he's working, or he's moving towards this. Paul summarizes this in 1 Corinthians 15, 24 through 26. Can somebody read that for us please? Then comes the end when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when he puts an end to all rule and authority and power. For he must reign till he has put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. So Paul is saying, hey, the time is coming when he is going to bring everything in subjection to himself, including death. He's going to bring everything. And then he's going to wrap this up completely. And he's going to put everything underneath his feet. And he will rule, he's going to exercise his dominion until everything comes under his feet. And so we will see these things as foretold for us in Scripture. What is God's plan? The prophetic timeline that has been laid out for us. But that's what God is working towards. And death is going to be put under his feet. And he's going to set up new heavens and new earth where death will no longer be there. Last two reasons, last two points on why we need to study about the end times. Number five is so that we could go about fulfilling our assignment here on earth, which is to proclaim the gospel to the ends of the earth to bring his message to people all over. And then we understand this is our assignment. We don't know how much time we have. All we can say is we're getting really close, especially when we look at the signs of the times, we're getting really close. Is it going to happen in our lifetime? Maybe, but we're pretty close. So let us do what we can do in our lifetime to get the gospel to as many people as we can and to live lives that are meaningful. So second Corinthians, chapter five, verse 10 to 11. Could somebody read that for us? Sir, second Corinthians five, 10 to 11. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ that each one may receive the things done in the body according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we perceive men, but we are well known to God and I also trust are well known in our conscience. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So we live with the awareness of this fact that, you know, one day, as believers, they're going to appear before the judgment seat of Christ. So, and as we draw out this prophetic timeline, this judgment seat of Christ, which is often referred to as the Bema judgment, simply because that's the Greek word Paul uses there for judgment. The Bema judgment, the judgment seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment of Revelation 20. So these are two different judgments. This is the believers judgment, the judgment seat of Christ. And we as believers stand before our Lord Jesus Christ to give an account of what we did with our lives here on earth. And then he rewards us according to how we serve to him. So the motivation here is, look, I understand Bible prophecy, understand the times in which we live and I must be faithful in doing what God has called us to do. The last reason we study Bible prophecy is because this prophecy, Bible prophecy has to be preached to people. You know, the prophetic scriptures has to be made known to people so that they realize or they understand, hey, the Bible has foretold many of these things. And so the prophetic scriptures should be proclaimed. And it is part of the proclamation of the gospel or the preaching of Jesus Christ. We find this in Romans the 16th chapter versus 25 to 27. Could somebody read that for us please? 16th, 25 to 27. Now to him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began. But now made manifest and by the prophetic scriptures made known to all nations according to the commandment of the everlasting God for obedience to the faith. To God alone wise be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. So Paul is talking about the gospel, about the preaching of Jesus Christ. And he's talking about the revelation of the mystery, all the secrets that God has unveiled to the church. You know, it was kept secret, but now it's been revealed to the church. And in that includes the prophetic scriptures. Right. So he says, look, all of this, the gospel, the preaching of Jesus Christ, everything God has revealed to us. The prophetic scriptures must be made known to all the nations. For what? For obedience to the faith, to bring people to the faith. Right. So part of what we need to proclaim to the nations is the prophetic scriptures, things that the Bible has concerning the end times and so on. And many of you or many of us would have experienced that, that, you know, that in the preaching of end time prophecy, you know, people do get woken up, you know, they like, whoa, this is what the Bible says. Now, I remember a long time ago in college, when I was an engineer in college, so this is way back in, I think it was 1989. I was when I was studying in engineering college. In those days, there was a some secular band that had come out with a song called the final countdown. Right. So the song title was the final countdown and that song was really catching on among, you know, in those days among all the young people. So I purposely took that title, the final countdown. And, you know, we did like a seminar. We rented the banquet hall in a hotel. This was in Manipal. So Brother Solence might know what I'm talking about. This was Hotel Valley. So Hotel Valley view in Manipal. We rented the banquet hall there and I did a seminar and the title of the seminar was the final countdown. You know, and so we throughout the campuses in those engineering college, medical college and all that, we put this banner and posters, the final countdown. And, you know, and so all the young people were very inquisitive. You know, what is this thing? You know, because they were listening to the song, which was so popular in those days. And when they came, I just, you know, I tried to in a one sermon. Just present in a very kind of a very quick way an overview of what the Bible is telling us about the things that are going to happen. And are you ready, you know, so and it was really, you know, impactful people gave their lives to Christ, you know, and chose to follow Christ. Just listening to end time Bible prophecy and saying that all the Bible has foretold all these things, you know, and we are pretty close to the end of times. So the preaching of Bible prophecy to the nations, making it aware to the people, making people aware of it does, you know, pull some people in to become obedient to the faith. So, you know, so we've just seen here six reasons, you know, on why the study Bible prophecy is important. Just quickly review. We said God wants us to do it. He invites us to understand these things to is going to help us live right in relation to the times in which we live. Third, it fills us with hope. Fourth, we recognize that God is unfolding his plan. Fifth, we are motivated to, you know, live responsibly and go about our assignment. And number six, the preaching of prophecy can invite people to the faith. So these are some reasons I'm sure, you know, you could add to this. Now, so having given that little bit of introduction, how are we going to study Bible prophecy? Okay, let me pause and see if there are any questions before I jump into this. Any questions, everybody? Okay. Any questions so far? Everybody's. All right. Let's continue. So how are we going to study the end times? You know, we have to admit that there are lots of different perspectives on and we will make mention of that in the section on interpreting or understanding Bible prophecy. Right. So I'm just going to present to you. How we are going to study what are some of the guidelines we're going to keep as we study and Bible prophecy. And what is the perspective with which we are going to approach it? Right. So I'll just share that now. So when we study in time Bible prophecy, the first role that we are going to follow is that we are going to take things in the literal sense first. And if the literal cannot be possible or cannot happen or cannot be understood, then we say, okay, this figurative. All right. So when you read about certain things when he when it talks about the temple, it's okay. It is the temple, you know, Revelation 11 talks about the temple. So what temple, you know, we don't have to take that. And if we will, we will take it in a literal sense that this is a temple that will be in place in Jerusalem when it says that the temple is desecrated. Right. So we don't have to say make that a figurative thing. No, it's a little temple. Right. So like that, many things we will take literally that's our first approach. And then when there are elements that don't make sense literally, then it's okay. It's figurative. And if it is figurative, we want how do we interpret those images, those figures. Many times, as you will see, the interpretation is given right there in the context in the chapter itself, or in either the preceding or the following section. The figures, the images are interpreted many times, not always, but many times, especially in the book of Daniel, you know, when you read Daniel, it seems very confusing, but actually, it's all interpreted there for us. And when Daniel sees this image of gold, this image with different metals of gold and brass and bronze and iron and the feet of clay and, you know, the interpretation of that whole image is right there for us in Daniel two and then chapter four and so on. And so Daniel, there are many images, but these things are interpreted there. And so we go with the interpretation of those images that are given to us in scripture. So we don't bring in our image or our interpretation of those images, but we either go with the interpretation given in the context or within scripture for those images. Right. So that's going to be our approach. Take the literal. The literal doesn't make sense. Okay. Yeah, we say it's figurative, but in interpreting the figurative stay within what is stated in scripture. Secondly, when we are looking at intangible prophecy, we don't want to engage in speculation or sensationalism. Now, especially when it comes to Bible prophecy, there are certain people who make things so sensational. You know, I remember back in 1987, 86, 87, when I was, you know, really studying by prophecy and I was just looking into this. I remember in those days, somebody had written a book, the title of the book was Jesus is coming back by 1988. And 101 reasons, you know, the title of the book got me attention. I looked through it as I studied it. But you know, the title was very sensational. You know, when you say Jesus is coming back by 1988, everybody wants to, you know, get that book. Wow. You know, on what basis does he say it? But actually, the signs were in the regular signs of the times, the 101 signs you would mention. But anyway, so people sometimes make it very sensational in order to get, maybe they're doing it to get people's attention or whatever. But when we, you know, our approach is, hey, let's just study it. Let's not make it sensational. Just understand that these are the things and some of the things foretold in scripture are amazing. It just makes us stand in awe of the details that are there. But let's not unnecessarily, you know, hype it up or make it sensational. And then we don't want to be speculative. You know, the Bible, Jesus did say of the day and the hour, no one knows. So all we can say is, look, we are pretty close. All these things are being fulfilled before our eyes. We are living in a time when these kinds of prophecies can be fulfilled because of what we have, the advancements that have been made in science and technology. We can understand it and that the times in which we live, these things can happen, you know, and so, for example, when it says the plague came in 20, you know, a fifth of the world or 20% of the world's population is gone. You know, we can understand that now because, hey, things spread so fast. You know, just maybe even in months, but then, you know, a short time, maybe weeks, things can, you know, impact globally. So then we can understand it. Yeah, you know, 20% of the world's vegetation is burnt. I mean, we read about the fires and, you know, whether it's in Australia or parts of North America or in South America, they've got this huge forest fires that, you know, just burned down acres and acres. But when you read in the book of Revelation that, you know, a fifth of the world's vegetation is gone. You can understand, yeah, it's, it can happen, but in a much grander scale than what we are, bigger scale than what we are seeing now. But at the same time, we can't, we shouldn't speculate and say, OK, this is the year, this is the date, you know, when things are going to happen. And people have done this over and over again in times past and always ended up as an embarrassing situation. So we don't engage in speculation. Now, the third thing when we are studying in time Bible prophecy is we want to be open to deferring positions in interpreting Bible prophecy. Now, as I shared this with you, as I, as we go through this course, you will find that I'm pretty firm in what I believe in the sequence of events. Right. So I will give you reasons when I say the rapture will take place before the tribulation, you know, and it's coming up in another chapter. I'll give you solid reasons as to why we believe that will happen. So, you know, it may almost seem like I'm forcing that on you, not necessary. I'm fine if you want to take a different view. That's perfectly fine. But I am only I am approaching it or I'm going to shed this whole sequence of events about the prophecy and so on from the way I understand it. But I am open and understand that there are other positions on on some of these things. So I won't get upset if if you choose to take a different position that's perfectly fine. If you're convinced from scripture that a different position is what you should take perfectly fine. But, you know, so I'll just share some of these things with you. So some of the common positions and this is not all there are other positions as well. But some of the common ones that you and I need to be aware in terms of interpreting Bible prophecy are these four. One is dispensational premillennialism. Okay, so that's the position from which I will be speaking or I will be presenting this whole course. That's our position. And I've explained dispensational premillennialism. Then there is another position that some Bible students or Bible teachers may hold, which is a historical premillennialism and that's true. That's what traditional church fathers held for a period of time. That's why it's called historical and I will explain that. There is what is referred to as post millenialism. There's also a millennialism and so on. Now, in the premillennial position, there are those who hold, you know, a pre-tribulation position, a mid-tribulation position and a post-tribulation position, meaning when the rapture will take place, when will the church be taken out, you know, and so even there there are variations. And the position that I would be coming to sharing with you from is that of the pre-tribulation position, right? So if you just to give you a little heads up, not to scare you, but I will explain this to you. So our position in this course or my position in presenting this whole study or this whole course to you is from a dispensational premillennialism. Sometimes we call it a conservative premillennialism. They use different language, but dispensational premillennialism with a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. So let's explain these terms, these different positions. Okay, maybe only three more minutes for break. Okay, let me pause here and we will explain all these terms right after the break. And like I said, we will give you strong biblical reasons as we present the sequence of events and why we believe this is it. But we are open in the sense that if you want to have a differing view on it and you're convinced to have that from Scripture, perfectly fine. You know, we're not going to be against that. Let me pause here and see if there are any questions. Okay. All right, so we have a question from Kennedy. The question from Kennedy is, what is the name of the angel that gave this revelation to possibly John in the book of Revelation? So, Kennedy, we don't have that mentioned for us in the book of Revelation, so we don't know. We don't know the answer to that. Another question, Divya, can we say that dreams need to be interpreted and be taken in a figurative sense always? So, in interpreting dreams, they shouldn't be taken in a figurative sense always. So, even in interpreting dreams, we take the same approach. That means first, you know, whatever you're seeing in the dream, you say, okay, let me understand it literally. If the literal doesn't make sense, then the people and the images that I've seen in the dream should then be figurative. But dreams are almost always interpreted in the context of the recipient, because it's God speaking to you. So, if it's a message for you, then you would be the best person to understand what those images mean, because it's in your world context that God is speaking. But we follow the same approach. First literal, if the literal doesn't make sense, then figurative example. In a dream, if you see a person whom you know, then that's literal. But if you see that person doing something that's, no, no, no, it doesn't make sense. Then you take that person, not literally, but the person as representing something that the person stands for or means to you. So that means that person now takes on a figurative meaning. But your first approach is that person literal. But if what you're seeing the person do doesn't make sense, then that person is can be interpreted in a figurative sense. Okay. Next question. I will come to you, Samuel. I'll just finish this one from Charles about speculation and sensationalism. How do you relate it to point one of literal and figurative? You know, so for example, there is one whole perspective of Entombible Prophecy that looks at all of prophecy as something that was fulfilled starting from the birth of the church. That means from the first century on. And in that whole view of Bible prophecy, a common interpretation that you will see is the point to the Roman Catholic Church. As you know, this Revelation 17, this mystery Babylon, and the point to the Roman Catholic Church and so on. So that's a very common interpretation of those who hold that perspective. Now, that is speculation and sensationalism. Because now you are, you know, and then you will see that they pick on the names of the popes and the titles of the popes and they interpret the number of the pope and all of that stuff. Which is, which is none of that is even supported by scripture. Right. So that's all what we were put in the category of speculation. You know, it is very, you know, for those who like it, it sounds interesting to read, but it's just mere speculation. It's not supported by scripture. And, you know, it makes it a lot of makes it very sensational. When you start using the names of the popes and interpreting their names and coming out with the equivalent numbers and so on and so forth. That's just one example. But people can make, you know, these images very, very sensational. One example, I think I may have mentioned it is from Revelation 12. And this happened a few years ago. So it must have happened in 2019. 2019. So if I'm not mistaken. Actually, we're actually in our break time. Okay, let me just say this very quickly. In 2019, NASA had come out with information saying, you know, there's a certain alignment of certain stars. And it looks like, you know, a woman giving birth to a baby. And then people got so excited. I mean, people means certain part of the Christian world. They took Revelation 12. It talks about this woman, the stars and the woman giving birth to a man child. And they said, oh, this is the year 2019. And I think it was the month was sometime in September. I guess I forget the details now. Jesus is coming back, you know, and it kind of just, I don't know whether you've received emails on it and so on. But it became so sensational, you know, Jesus coming back because NASA has predict as, you know, given us all this information. The stars are coming into this kind of an alignment. Revelation 12 talks about that. And Jesus is coming back. We get everybody must get ready. You know, and then September came and went and here we are in 2022. Time has gone. So people can get sick sensation when they're using all these figures and so on. Okay. Just a few examples. Okay, let's pause here. And Samuel, shall we take up your question right after the break? Sure. Okay. Thank you. So let's go for a quick 10 minute break. And we'll be back at 1105 engine time. And then we will pick up with Samuel's question and go forward. Okay. Thanks.