 Hey everybody, welcome back to the next cast. I'm Matt and I'm Tyler. I really remembered like every week We remember to do it the right way. I'm gonna comment on it because it's so rare Eventually it become the point where we actually do it right every week and then I won't it won't be such a rare thing But as of right now, it's still pretty rare. Yeah, then we'll get those comments of people being like Why do you keep saying that you're doing it right? You always do it, right? Well, all you got to do is remember the first time she started doing it this way And you realize how wrong we actually got it. I'm pretty sure at one point. We didn't remember our own names I'm sure that's happened. Yeah. All right, so this is the Linux cache. We talk about Linuxy things Which is surprising given the title of the show. I know I mean, there's gonna be that one stoner out there That comes in and says one of the shows about It's about cooking Definitely a cooking show. He's like, where are all the eggs? I do this is chopped, right? Which one so if this is the cooking show, which one of us is Martha Stewart, I'm just Definitely Well, wait, wait, hold on. Which one of us likes butter more that's the answer Well, I mean you you are from more south than I am so you must have to fry things more often It's literally in the job description of being from below Ohio Well, okay, so one of my favorite things is Biscuits and not like the European biscuits. I'm not talking about like some bullshit cookie here I'm talking about that like nice fluffy biscuit like and then that covered in butter and then with honey. Oh My good Lord, it's the best. So yeah, I guess I'm Martha Stewart here and Martha Stewart All right. Well, then I'll be I'll be Gordon Ramsay cuz I got the anger problems Okay The show is literally like five seconds in we've already gone way off All right, so Tyler, what have you been doing this week in Linux? Well, I have been focused on remaking a lot of my thumbnails Or at the very least I've changed up my thumbnail like template And I think I've really found something that I actually like looks really good Oh Thank you, man. I think they're coming out a lot better. I've actually gotten a head-on videos, which is like Awesome, like I mean as anyone anyone out there who makes videos can attest to getting a head-on videos is not an easy thing I don't expect to maintain it for a while But I've all I've also got the time this weekend that I'm gonna be put into working on the wagon So I'll have it finished this weekend or at the very least have the structure and everything ready to start putting like stuff in for The rabbits and putting like laminate down or not well, yeah laminate Down on the inside. So it's like a much better sleeping floor Or place to sleep and everything put a mattress on And then I also made merch for DT which was super interesting We'll see how like see what he does with it if anything. I just I got him the file sent to him Also found out that he will use discord To talk to people which is interesting. I'm waiting for the day that he does pop into my discord or yours Like that that's gonna be an insane day. I don't think he's gonna pop into my discord I have a potency to piss him off every time I call him not bald I Was not bald he's thinking you can grow hair I don't know if you were in the stream, but like it was about two or three minutes after DT left the stream One of his patrons popped in and well and my patrons popped in He goes he really goes and he's like stop everyone stop DT is bald. He's like, I need y'all to look up the definition of bald He's like I read out the definition. You go see see he's bought Yeah, all right, so For me like what I've done this week in length. I have a few things I want to talk about Including what I actually typed in the show notes But first I just want to say the last three days on the channel have been the best three days That I've ever had like we've tripled views like whoa had almost 400 new subs in the last three days Um, oh my at one point the views were up to 17,000 views in two days. Like, you know, I'll give you 48 hour account. Yeah It's been absolutely nuts It's but was the pop OS video that just kind of went absolutely crazy And then the Linus tech tips videos have just those things have been pure gold mines Absolutely nuts on the channel. So if you are new to the channel, welcome, welcome, welcome To the absolute madness that this channel is because you'll know the variants and videos that I post because yesterday I posted a six seven minutes video Ranting about the pronunciation of GNOME. Yep. Yeah, I watch I watched a little bit of that video It's the greatest thing ever and I've been getting my ass trolled so hard in the comments section. It's great. I Don't think people realize that I was joking through the entire thing because I was acting like I was really mad shit It was great. Anyways, that's the kind of shit you can expect if you've subscribed if you haven't subscribed if you're just here watching I definitely hit that subscribe button because There's some really good stuff like I have an hour long poly bar tutorial coming up. It is recorded. It's not all edited Yeah, it's taking me forever to edit So probably sometime next week, but it is Really good. I think at least so far. So if you if you want to go through and Watch some tutorial on poly bar. That's definitely come up. I'm doing a lot more of that stuff There's more distrust stuff coming up and we'll talk about Tyler stuff when we get to the content information But go subscribe to him too because he's got I keep saying this like he's the freaking this close to a thousand like what 40 away now Less than oh see really close like maybe wait Let's come on. Everybody is in the chat if you haven't already Go subscribe to his channel right now. I mean stop watching this nonsense and go subscribe to his stuff It's good stuff. Anyways, I mean Come back you gotta come back because we've got some good stuff planned. Anyways, uh, that I Just want to talk a little bit about the channel because it's been I've been what I've been watching the numbers just go up like I like what's going on, man? That's incredible and one thing I'll say is you definitely deserve it, man Yeah, you're questioning out some good videos like I appreciate that but man, it's just it was really it's just Absolutely shocking. Anyways Met said I should do another Linux mint should dive video and before I forget because this is on Matt's channel Let me make this very clear because Matt is very smart He has me hosting all of his merch on my Store, so if you want to pick up his merch, I don't know if you're sharing the link in the description right now You can go over all of in all of my very recent videos I have the link for merch down there and you can find his merch over there and it supports this podcast so yeah, the link to the merch store will be in the video description and the The show notes, but it's not in the description of the live stream And you'll find like some really cool like Arco hoodies over there that I made because Matt loves Arco and They're pretty nice So definitely go check them out. It's good stuff. Definitely go go there Anyways, the other thing that I've been doing on Linux this week is I've been watching the this guy. I'm not sure what his name is. I can never remember his name I think I can find it here real quick though His name was Hector Martin, okay, he's the the main I think he's the main developer behind Asahi Linux Probably not pronouncing that right, but it's the Linux that's meant for running on the M1 max And I've been watching his live streams where he's trying to get to work on the new M ones I have no clue what he's doing, right? I'm not a programmer, but man. Is it really fascinating to watch him code? He's he's got he uses Kate as a as a tech as an IDE which is I mean awesome. I Random Katie like he's a bit obviously the biggest Katie plasma guy ever because he uses all Katie's like he uses his console as his tech His is terminal emulator And he has like he likes tabs the way I like workspaces. I mean literally has like 400 tabs in console open Like I'm probably not that many but I mean it's like the entire you know how the tabs open up and console along the bottom I guess like like dozens of them along the bottom of consoles open and in Kate Kate has the ability to tabs as well He has like tons and tons of tabs and they're side-by-side enough in a split It's awesome. I have no clue what he's doing, but it's really cool and he streams for like five hours at a time and It just kind of it's kind of awe-inspiring about how much work goes into actually getting Linux to work on certain types of hardware But also kind of gives you an idea of how much Stuff there is in Linux that kind of all has to be worked on by someone like there's someone out there working right now on like the most random piece of of Linux things out there and It's kind of cool, you know, it's just it's kind of cool like this is why we do this. That's awesome So yeah, that's what I've been doing. I'll link to the most recent live stream will be in the show notes Man, it was good. Like I didn't watch the whole five hours because I mean I don't have that kind of time, but I kept coming back to it like it's just so good. Anyways so Time to get rid of the COVID. All right. Anyways Call it out. Yeah, so if you want to get in contact with us, we're moving on to the contact information We're only 12 minutes in it. It's a it's a Nostalgic surprise if you want to get in contact with us. You can do so follow me on Twitter at the Linuxcast. You can follow me on Odyssey at the Linuxcast and you can support me on message. I actually been using mass on for the last couple days I'm at dr. M. Dub on there I have though that link will be in the show notes in the video description as well I'm actually kind of finding that I like mastodon now because you can actually go through and in There are bots on mastodon. I'll allow you follow people on Twitter So you can go through and follow all of your Twitter stuff on mastodon and you never have to visit Twitter It's kind of awesome. I mean Like I haven't done gone through and done everybody yet, but it's actually kind of cool Anyways, that's a mastodon. You can contact us via email email at the Linuxcast org You can support us on patreon at patreon.com slash on this cast I'll think all the current patrons at the end of the show and like I said earlier Tyler who goes by Zany online has both an Odyssey and a YouTube channel and a merch store Those links will be in the video description below. Go subscribe to him. He's awesome. He does a lot of cool stuff Obviously, I mean he's here right and I'm talking to him like he's like not in the room Anyways, you can also subscribe to the Linuxcast on YouTube at youtube.com Slash Linux cast that was the best contact information section section. I've ever done in my life I'm gonna work. I'm gonna cut that part out and use it every single time. Never do one as you should All right. Anyways, you know what I didn't do before we started is actually open up the links to the The news so Tyler, what is your news this week? mine is actually it's to do with open source jobs and Of course My link is just now loaded up awesome. I had it open like it took me a while open it to it took a while alone Thank you Linux Insider for getting some really good servers man. Yeah. Yeah, go talk to Linode. Okay They can help you out on Way better. You can give you a hundred percent speed But so apparently there is a lot of struggle in the industry now finding you know open sort or filling open source positions and it's Sort of interesting but apparently there's a lot of Great jobs that are you know either already here are opening up in the like Cloud space especially when it comes to open source because Obviously companies like Linode Companies like like Linode and Linode themselves are growing if you haven't heard like I believe it's Linode is rolling out They're upgrading all of their data centers with NVMe drives And it's no extra cost to you just if you already have a server with them. It's getting upgraded to an NVMe Just No extra cost whatsoever. So a lot of these companies are growing expanding. There's new jobs in them and Essentially what I'm saying here is is according to this article if you're super into open source and you Want to get a good job in the field Go out there and hunt for it because there's there is a healthy job market for open source jobs Now, of course, there's always going to be complaining, you know About they're not being enough people but open source is very much in high demand. Yeah, good to hear Well, it's good to hear that there are jobs, but it's seems to be that every industry these days can't get enough people which is I mean not to get into the whole politics thing but Really weird things how there's still like 600,000 people without jobs Yeah, like go get a job. Do we I know we live in the weirdest time like there's super high unemployment and all the companies are like Please come here. We need we need to get So this is totally off topic, but did you hear that upper New York is offering snow plow drivers? $300 an hour to go to for their seasonal jobs up there like, okay, well, you're not Sorry, my dad. I'm leaving. I'm going to New York $300 an hour and sometimes those They're going to work some overtime because you know, I mean they get like 12,000 feet of snow and Buffalo, New York Our our school bus drivers around here are getting their offering so it's free CDL training so you get free professional like bus driving and also like truck driving training and Then they start you out at $28 an hour, which that's literally about four times like minimum wage and Maybe even more. No, that's that's That's four times. Yeah, yeah, yeah about four times and You you also get if they give you a six-month raise or what was it after your six months there? They give you like Can't remember what it's called, but something it's like I can't remember what they call it But they give you a thousand dollars after six months, which is this is right here is why everything's so expensive Like you you can't pay somebody $300 an hour and then not have inflation I guess that's that's that's that's I mean I failed economics in college a couple times. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I understood that much Anyways, that's completely off That's I guess not even Not part of what we should be talking about that but still well I mean it did sort of relate to the to my article on jobs in open source Those were not a bus driving is not an open source job I don't think I don't think school buses operate on Linux, but who knows One day we might be talking about an article that says, you know school buses in Canada are getting converted to like Linux ships I'm sure there has to be some kind of open source software drivers and uh, you know, like the electric buses or something I'm sure there has to be Probably Yeah, so in other words the world is on fire and we're all gonna be paying 12 million dollars for a loaf of bread We're screwed anyways on that happy note, let's move on to mine, so This was big news obviously and I made that popoist video that I made blew up But I wanted to cover it a little bit in the podcast itself System 76 which makes popoist has decided to abandon get on and move to their own desktop environment Which is going to be built in rust because I mean what else could it possibly be exactly and I mean, I mean please Build a desktop environment and see are you nuts? Nobody's ever done that before That's disgusting seriously under I just threw up a little bit in my mouth Just the thought of building a desktop environment and anything but Russ is just it's it's horrible I mean, it's terrifying and be like a Halloween movie Anyways, we really don't know much about this new desktop environment other than it's going to be built in rust It's going to look basically the same It's going to be not be using GTK obviously and it's going they're going to be getting as far away from GNOME as possible now They've had many problems with GNOME and we've talked about some problems that everybody seems to have with GNOME, but from a developer perspective They Are really upset with the fact that every time a new GNOME comes out All the extensions they use to make popoist, you know be popo s Completely break. So that's basically their biggest problem is that they want to have more control over there That's the other which I can which I'm fully understand, right? Yeah, yeah And it's not even surprising either because I mean if you listen to any other project that bases their stuff off of GNOME All of the that's that's all of their complaints. They're like every time GNOME updates it breaks stuff that we use. It's it's a common thing GNOME is not focused on the other projects based off of them whatsoever. They'll make a change and break compatibility with stuff left and right and Now the question that I have when it comes to this desktop is will it keep the same appearance that it has now I? Hope not according to the reddit post it will look almost precisely as it looks now But I mean they said it's still early days who knows I mean maybe it will make some updates But they just changed to this look and feel that's not gonna go anywhere. I don't think I Don't care what it looks like. I think my opinion is that it's just great that GNOME is finally being abandoned by so many I really hope that Ubuntu is next like I just really hope that Even if Ubuntu does something stupid like build their next desktop environment in Flutter, which is like Google light I wouldn't care just because I hate go GNOME the people behind GNOME that much like I tried GNOME for like a week. GNOME is actually an okay desktop environment Like it's fine if that's the way you want to use your computer with zero customization and all that stuff There are a lot of people out there say well What do you guys say Tyler? What? Did you just say GNOME is acceptable? I made a video that said exactly that that for people who want just a simple computing experience Which there are people out there like that I'm not one of them. Don't look at me like that Seriously Tyler's like I mean, who the fuck are you? What would you do with Matt? Well, I know. I'm like Matt's been replaced. I'm a pod person But no, but I mean there are people out there who enjoy that type of thing where they just want to get their work done Like Linus and the LTT thing he was talking about how he wants one good way of doing things Which well first of all that's not Linux. I mean there's 12 ways of doing everything on Linux You're just gonna have to get used to it But otherwise that what really would that he'd be perfect for GNOME because there's literally one way of doing everything in GNOME unless you open the terminal or you know install tweaks, which you know, we'd He'd have problems doing that anyways, but yeah, yeah, that's for you real the point is I didn't like I Know I think it's good that GNOME is being left behind because they I Not necessarily because I want GNOME to like suffer and die not necessarily but more because I would hope that If there are less people supporting GNOME and they feel less like they're a bunch of hot shit The maybe they will reform their ways and become good. You know what I mean? Yeah start listening to the community like I don't know reasonable people. You're the one smoking here, man And I'm still being reasonable That's the crazy part like we're at her high on something man That's just never gonna happen that I don't I think they'll be perfectly happy with Fedora being the only people only destroy the users You know, yeah, yeah, although I mean, I'm sure like rel uses go up too because it's basically the same shit anyways Yeah, so I I also think that it's Good if this ends up being good Like if if this new Papa West thing ends up being good and they're gonna distribute that to the community There's a possibility that we have and they get extra option. You know what I mean? That's not written in cute. That's not written GTK and Well, I bemoan fragmentation a lot. I also think more options are kind of good When it comes to desktop environments, especially good ones because they're not Really there aren't a lot of good ones that are supported by big corporations and At least in terms of being supported by a bunch of developers They have money and resources behind them. So Look as much as fragmentation options causes confusion It's really good because if you try something and it doesn't work out for you You've got plenty of other options and they're all different So I laughed during that that first LTT challenge video Because the first thing he Linus complained about was there's too much choice on Linux And then he discovered why choice is so good because Papa West crashed on him and he was able to go to Manjaro Hey, wait a minute. Maybe there's a good reason to have 12 different distros that you can choose from, you know Because if if one team isn't focusing on one area and you can't use your computer without that one area like I don't know You know, it's still working when you Don't follow the most basic thing that anybody will tell you to do after you install Linux update But you know, like you've got other choices There are definitely other projects out there that are like let's make sure that our system does not crash when we have People loading it up like, you know, elementary OS used to be that way Hopefully they've reformed and gotten better, but I haven't checked them out recently But yeah, I don't know if their app stores still has probably doesn't have Firefox in it yet. So Yeah, that happens Well, I mean they've been adding stuff from cloud. So maybe it maybe it's better. Who knows? All right, so moving on to the main topic so This wasn't really one of our challenge videos It wasn't one where we spent a lot of time, you know challenging each other to do something But we call it the five app challenge and what we were trying to do here is We were we were challenged to both set out to find five applications that the other person hadn't ever heard of and for each Application that you surprise the other person with you get a point the person with the most points at the end wins now I highly expect us to both have like four points at the end of this So it's not much of a challenge But the point really the point my point behind thinking it's up was if we can find some applications that are kind of cool That nobody's ever heard of before or maybe few people have ever heard of before it'll be kind of fun. So That is what we're going to be doing first and This should be very interesting because I have all the tabs open here, but I have no order to them whatsoever These are gonna be Randall. All is this gonna be rando as much as possible So the first app up on our list and this one actually how do we want to do this time? We just want to go back and forth. I Mean it doesn't matter All right. Well, you know, let's go Let's go with one of yours first number five on your list, which is this one here. I believe so Tyler You're number five on the list All right, so By the same list otherwise, you're gonna be starting from the top. I'll be start for the bottom. Yeah Five should be lollipop. Correct. Yep. Awesome Yeah, so lollipop is it's It's it's a much more Well Integrated GNOME music player then rhythm boxes which most distributions are gonna come with rhythm box out out of the gate and lollipops much better and I mainly picked this one because for one it wasn't too hard to find slash remember Like I've never used it, but I had heard about it and at first I thought it was a Linux distro And but then I heard it referenced again and it was talking about it being for GNOME and a music player I was like, oh, and then I copied it for here I thought it was also a great option because I was like, it's for GNOME Matt won't know a damn thing about it That turned out to be not true No, I've actually used lollipop before as though when I was using it like a gooey version of iTunes that was searching for that on It's hilarious because my pick of the week is from the GNOME foundation So you think my my Irritation with GNOME is much water wider and broader than it actually is but yeah, I've used this before it's good I think it's probably one of the better ones Especially if you're using GTK, there's a couple for cute that are good too, but yeah, just use a terminal app I mean seriously Alright, so that is lollipop. It's a good. It's a good one. So my first one So I'm gonna close this though that so they can get rid of some of these tabs because they guys said This is ridiculous. Okay, so my first one. I'm just gonna go with this one deluge Let's get rid of so this one one you also have heard of right? All right, so this is a A bit torn app. It's lightweight. I it has a it's called a web UI or whatever. However, it's really weird But anyways, it's available cross-platform it's just a different a Bit torrent client than what you'd you know like to transmission or But it was an acute QT QT. What's the QT one? QT torrent, I don't know. It doesn't matter. Anyways, that's deluge. I've heard of a It's the one that comes with KDE. I'm not sure. I'm not a big torrent or anymore I used like it used to be but not so much anymore Anyways, that's deluge. I don't I get their website does not show a excuse me Random Belch. Anyways, the the the web their website does not show a like a Like a screenshot So of course that'd be too much to ask. I mean pictures. Hello pictures pictures Anyways, that is deluge. So your next one is going to be Test disc, I've never heard of this before Test disc is pretty neat. It's a completely Foss, so free and open source data recovery tool that you can use And I don't know on what different platforms it's available for but it seems it seems pretty competent It seems like it's available on a few different ones Windows, BSD, SunOS, macOS, Linux DOS. It's available for DOS. Yeah, I'm not sure that it's available for everything but for most things you should be able to use it to recover data And it seems like it's pretty well touted like a lot of people use it So, yeah, that's a pretty handy tool. You might just want to keep in your repertoire Yeah, it looks really cool, but I would also like to challenge anyone out there who's listening to this If you still run DOS, I like to hear from you Because seriously man And I don't mean like I I've been I just installed this DOS so I can talk to you about it I mean like you actually use DOS Yeah, like I would like to meet this person because you're obviously a special person You're one of God's special people, you know DOS like You can still Yeah, I mean you'd have to be using it for some like hyper specialized like use case like like I mean, I don't even know about that because it's not really even running DOS Like you're really just running an emulator like I mean if you want to play a game You're just running dot like you're probably running DOS box. I mean just as an emulator Yeah, be like running the like the Mac OS 9 emulator or whatever For whatever reason why you want that but whatever. Okay, so my next one is Let's see here. We'll go with that's the wrong one bookworm Okay, so Bookworm is a free and open source e-book reader I'm not sure what it's written in but it supports e-pubs pds mobies all the basic formats for You know e-book, so if you're gonna read an e-book on your Linux machine, this is a cool and it looks Really nice. I mean it looks really nice. It looks it's very very well-designed It looks like if I'm not mistaken it looks like it was designed for elementary OS But you can install it from pretty much anywhere. I believe it's in the aur So if you wanted to install an arch you could do so and anyways The one the thing I was thinking of this for was I wonder how well this works on those that new jing pad That came out because that'd be really cool cuz I'd love to get one of those and be able to read my books on there That'd be cool. Anyways, that's a bookworm Okay, so we're flying through these. Let me close some tabs here. So close that I can close this and I close this See we're just making up for all those times that we went over with the podcast Right fast. So your next one is called Brackets Brackets is a fantastic like lightweight ID it's more like modern and for one thing it's Foss which is awesome and it's particularly made for someone who's Trying to get into web development So if you're someone who's wanted to get into web development You've look you're looking around for more IDs and you want something that's completely Foss As far as I know brackets makes a very good option. I just as far as I know it's just not Super popular like it's I Mean I had never heard of it, but it seems like a very cool tool Again completely open source Seems very flushed out, but it's just not super popular At least to me. I hadn't heard of it. I never heard of it either It does look really cool It's amazing how many text editors there are out there I mean like everybody like if you don't like your test editor, you're right one. No Rogue in the chest is that brackets is no longer maintained, but that wasn't a requirement for the challenge. So And also that doesn't mean that it won't ever start getting maintained or maybe there's a fork of it out there I mean literally this is open source software. That's what that's what happens. Okay, so my next one is going to be Really weird and neither of us really know what it's for But because we're talking about this beforehand so that I could open the links But the next one that I have is called g plates now g plates describes itself is a tectonics program manipulate reconstructions of geological and paleo geological Geographic paleo geographic. It's a big-ass fucking word man. I can't Features through geological time interactively visualize vector raster in volume data Pi g plates is the g plates python library get fine-grained access to g plates functionality in your python scripts. So The way this was described described to me on reddit is that this is for world-building applications for games, but I would both Tyler and I think that this is kind of also for scientists So, you know just from the things that it says here on the on the on the website It is open source and for your open source software. It's just I mean this thing exists It's really weird, but also kind of cool. So no matter what you use it for it's cool I doubt very much that I could actually probably even get it running on my computer Cuz it's probably saying it looks like it takes quite a bit of data in order for it to actually work But it really kind of looks cool So if I would be very surprised if it doesn't take it like take advantage of like CUDA or something I mean it probably does but anyways that is g plates and it's one of those ones and neither one of us Talk about random apps, so that's a g plates. So your next one is going to be let's see. What's this next one? subliminal And this one's it's pretty easy straightforward to understand very but very useful though It's it's a good. It's a good-looking open source Tool for getting your like movies and TV shows downloads like subtitles and it I mean I mean for one it looks You know pretty good and you know just accomplishes the task. It's got a really nice GitHub that's or Believe it's GitHub but pretty straight simple straightforward explains the whole program and I mean what more could you want looks like it has really good documentation too. So cool I Wish I also edited metadata because my movie collection is horrendous It's just so bad Okay, so that is subliminal. I'd never heard of that one either so that one's there. Okay, so my next one is This should be We each have one left right Yes, okay, my next one is Eagle mode now. I have some screenshots of this thing. This thing looks Weird, okay, so if you wonder what this thing is it's a graphical file manager And it describes itself as a zoomable user interface and I'm showing some of strange strange stuff to this right now that basically you get into this thing by I Zooming into Directories with your mouse like it's really weird. I don't know why you'd want to use it, but it exists and It's like it's weird it has like I Don't know if you like has tons of little buttons on it and stuff But you you know zoom into it using your mouse and I don't know what you'd use it for but it like I said exists Now this if you watch Brody, I believe He featured this on his channel. I Only just now kind of remembering that but Yeah, this I mean, it's just it's weird. It's the weird one of the weirdest thing I've ever seen so weird Looks it looks like it was from like the early 90s Well, it doesn't the thing is it's still being like developed and stuff So as far as I know it's still being developed The UI is just the weirdest thing ever So yeah, that is that is Eagle mode So the next one and your last one is called Laverna This one is really nice. It's a good modern open source Markdown editor and so you I mean dude, it's it's a great note-taking out You can go in here Do all your stuff that you want to it looks good It's not super big on resources or anything. You know, it's not like one of those electron note-taking apps It's just a big old bloated web app It's it's pretty nice It does look nice. I never heard of this one either So out of all of them the only one that I heard of for you was lollipop and you had heard of Deluge, right? That's it. So we just got four points. We're both winners. Yep Yeah, it's too bad you that I didn't win because I had some really good gloating gloating topics over Anyways, yeah, we flew right through those so a couple things that I noticed in the chat somebody up here said that The Japanese banks I think I'm sorry. I didn't catch your name the Japanese banks in use old IT systems And that they used a floppy disk in the DOS still there, which I'm Really makes me one of them really makes me want to go banking in Japan. I'm just yeah, I'm just saying those things are really secure I'm just oh Yeah, somebody else said that their landlord I think uses DOS Which I also want to give him my money Let's see so I was going through some of the chat here Somebody said that the eagle might that eagle mode might be good for people with disabilities Maybe it's gonna depend on how scalable those graphics are because you know Thing about you don't want that thing to get really big. I'm not sure how big it gets And also is it customizable because that thing doesn't look all that great, right? File manager more with like voiceover capabilities seems more like what you'd need So yeah, that is Somebody said zero out of ten UI for that eagle like yeah, that's not a very good But I think that was just I think they use it just for fun, right? I guess what they did it for was to fun Yeah, so anyways that is those are the ten apps that we came up with in the Comment section of the video below If you aren't watching this live like if you're watching this later If you have some obscure apps that you'd like to share leave them in the comment section Tyler and I would love to check those out But just remember do not leave a link because YouTube will take that comment and just like Pac-Man You know, it'll just eat it right up. So no links. Anyways Always interesting finding out new new apps Of the ones that we shared today The note-taking apps that you share were very interesting and might be worth a look at the G plates thing I don't think either of us have a use for Either the Eagle mode either Which is sad, but anyways, those are the apps. So let's go ahead We're just flying to this episode. Where are all the tangents? Where are the freakin? I know This is rude We're depriving our audience of Tasty content Anyways, so moving on to the apps of the week. I think actually I'm still on like yeah, so we're I'm actually still on the browser So but it's okay So I'll go first this week. So see horse is A Application that will is designed for managing encryption keys and password, but it's designed for the GNOME key ring So if you use GNOME or GTK based Desktop environment you can use this in KD as well obviously, but Basically what this is is the password manager. It also is for encryption keys and stuff like that So if you manage a whole bunch of like GPG keys or you know stuff like that for Like your email or whatever you can go through and use this to manage those as well including passwords. It's not Like this is this application is not the most Complex password manager that you're ever gonna find like it doesn't have a ton of features like bit warden or one password or anything like that But it's very simple. It looks and feels like it's made for GNOME because guess what it was look it You know it was made for GNOME. So that is seahorse. It's a I Don't know that I would ever use it because I use bit warden But I was kind of going through and discovering some other password managers when I came across this And I'd never heard of it before it was gonna make my never heard of list But I decided to use it as a password man or a pick of the week So that's seahorse links in the video description. So Tyler your pick of the week mine is obsidian and obsidian is a really good like text editor That you can get it it works It has a really good UI to it and it essentially you're just gonna put like a local like a Give it a local folder and then it uses plain plain text markdown files. It's Really nice like really really nice. It comes in an app image flat pack snap And then I'm sure it's available. Yeah Everything is let's get real. I heard if not everything Almost everything. All right. Yeah obsidian is great and I don't want to rush you but Tyler We made a huge mistake. We only did nine apps Really didn't nine apps because there was an app that I had that didn't have a web page or anything That's right. Okay. So we're kind of going backwards. You're like, I wonder why I went through that so fast Because we only did nine apps. Okay, so I can't show anybody this because it's like that. There's no website There's no github. I don't know anything about it other than I saw it found it on a website It's called if I can get this up, it's called giver now as far as you know This is in the Ubuntu repositories and the Ubuntu repositories only it is not in the aur as far as I can tell I used the paru to search for it. It's not there Basically what this is is similar if you've ever heard of an app called snap drop snap drop is like a web-based application where you can share Files between like your phone your Linux system make it's really cool because it's does not snap drop is for Sharing between Linux systems. It's easy with Samba or SSH or whatever but sharing between your phone and your Your computer especially if you're on iOS. It's a little bit harder. This is kind of like that only it's native Like you can download an app. It actually has like a GTK based app that you can download if you can find the damn thing And you can share files between Computers and phones that are on the same network. So That is giver But I don't know if this one this app actually exists. So I Don't know if it counts. So maybe it was a good thing that we didn't cover it with the with the other ones But the thing like I said, it's not an a you are I have no way of searching for in a boot the ability product the boot to repositories. I Just know what the website That gave me, you know that pointed me towards it said it was in said it was in the boot to repositories That could be an old article. So maybe it was ages and ages ago Maybe it's just you know not being developed or been pulled or something like that But I included it because it sounded really cool Like I would love this application to download because I was gonna download it like use this cuz I I could like I Hate setting up Samba like I can't stand setting up sham Samba I I do it, but I don't like doing it Um, so I'd love to be able to send files back and forth between this computer and that computer behind me without having to Rely on Samba, but I can't find it I can't find it. It's like the a you are has failed me for like the first time ever Like it's really why? Anyway, so that is Like I was sitting here like I just feel like we didn't do ten apps. It's cuz we didn't do Ten apps. So, uh, yeah, that's uh, so it seems how we get How long have we been recording for we've been recording for oh, we made it to an hour Yeah, we've been no way. Oh wait for me. It's 48 minutes. Yeah, so we 48 minutes. All right, so in the in the chat if you have questions Leave them. We'll do a 10 minute question and answer session if if that's okay So if you have questions pop them into the the chat and we'll we'll do some chat Yes, and because I am Very much like a child. I need to run to the restroom. I'll be back in like 20 seconds So yeah, y'all put in your questions to keep Matt. I should have asked him if he needed to go potty before he before we started What is tails get tails scale, what is that? You're you're so sick of Matt. Yeah, always the recommending, you know maps. I'm sorry about that mile. I really am. Oh How's Emax that's a good question. I'll talk about this a little bit. All right, so my experience with Emax so far has been Okay, I Still haven't dug too much into org mode and org room, which are the two things that are kind of preventing me from doing my next Video on it. I don't want to do my next video until I've talked about those a little bit or you know, use them a little bit so That's what's preventing me from doing another video on us. Hopefully this weekend. I will get Delved deep into those and use those for a little while before I can make a video on it, but overall Emax is fine. I Don't think that I'd be very happy With vanilla Emax because I would miss the Vim bindings, but it's fine The thing is and I'll talk about this in the video that I do eventually make is that I Kind of feel guilty using Emax because I know that there's so much more to Emax in the way that I'm using it Because I'm just using it as a text editor. It basically right now. That's all I'm using for is a text editor and It feels like you're driving a Lamborghini To you know work every day, you know, yeah, there's someone you you don't you don't get a Lamborghini for a day-to-day car that you you know For daily commute you'd feel guilty if you spent that much money on a car and you know Had to pay the insurance on the car, which is probably more than you know, your house is worth and You know, you're not getting everything on it. That's the way I feel with Emax I feel because there's so much there to Emax that I you know I'm just not using and I don't think I will ever use them because I'm the only thing Like I said, I haven't checked out org mode yet. That's that's the recipe if I could Get attached to org mode. Maybe in my opinion will change right now for me It's just a a text editor that has a lot of features that I never use. It's like Using an IDE or something like that. I've never you don't you don't replace your civic with a Rolls Royce That's really what it is, right? Exactly. So that's a really good metaphor. I think I'm gonna keep that all right, so Hey Matt, please check the packages in the repo I don't I'm gonna need some context for that. I Think he's talking about giver. I didn't find a giver repo like I I searched for it It's not using it doesn't it doesn't even show up on on Google besides like the article that points to it So like I looked It's looking I can't find it just to text the Emax package and maybe you'll get inspiration Oh, we're talking about Emax. Yeah, I've looked through some of them and I've been able to like um The DT so DT did a video this last week on Emax and I felt very attacked by it because I'm pretty sure he was talking about me At least in some of those things like you're using Emax wrong like okay first of all I did learn about the demon which I thank him for that cuz I didn't know about the demon thing So that's cool. It did start up Emax faster But I wasn't having a problem with Emax starting up slow to begin with it was fine I'm not one of those people who care that if an application takes four seconds dope to open up I don't care four seconds isn't gonna know it's not gonna ruin my day um, I mean Probably if I was meaning to stick with Emax, I'd probably get pissed off, but it didn't really bother me that but the Because I made a racing video where I every time I needed to use a terminal actually, you know Opened a fucking terminal and it turns out that you max has a terminal built-in, but and he was like Use v-term while you want to v terms not actually enable a lot of the box in e max so he confused the shitload of people and You had to go through and you know enable it So I did actually go through the packages that you can enable in do me max and I enable a few of them Which is cool. I like that that exists. I Think it's kind of a better way of like doing plugins and them But there's just so much shit that I'm never gonna use. What are you giggling about there? Tyler Meredith Sneezed and I didn't think I hit the mute button fast enough and I was trying to make it quiet And I'm sneezing who is so loud is the loudest I've ever seen usually when you have to go when you have to do something quiet That's when you're gonna be really loud. Oh I didn't think I hit the mute button. I'm very proud of myself. You did a good job Yeah, so those are just my initial thoughts on e max if you're looking for a video on it It's probably gonna be a couple weeks still. I'm still And art center s if I've been using space max, you know, I've been using doom e max um, I Don't need to be Confused more by using a different type of emacs at this point my life. I'm just gonna stick with what I have You can literally set up most of the vim stuff emacs, I know you can that's why I'm using doom Yeah, I'm just looking on the box. Yeah The the thing is and I've talked about this before is it just makes me feel like I'm using them The only difference is now that I have to open up a gooey in order to use my text editor You know, yeah Which and you have all this extra stuff that you don't necessarily want like there's a Tetris game in emacs, okay? Like okay, like everyone everyone who talks about emacs I know this is not what we were meant to talk about and I will probably have to reiterate all this stuff in the video But everyone talks about how emacs isn't actually bloated because all emacs is is a lisp interpreter, right? And that's true To a point, but it also has all these things that are built into emacs on top of that lisp interpreter that are included And it feels bloated to me like it's not bloated, but it feels bloated It has all these features like a Tetris game that you don't need as other games that you don't need it It's like the vaulty, you know, it has a client My text editor doesn't need an email client It's like I haven't used the the m4e or whatever it's called for the the email is supposedly really good And I know that's like an extra thing. It's like it's like a module on top of it, right? It's not actually part of thing you have to enable it and all that stuff So it's not actually bloated but it feels like it's bloated because You know when you use emacs, you're not thinking well that I'm gonna open up my lisp interpreter No, I'm opening up emacs that has all this shit in it So yeah, well, I mean that's that's the thing like every emacs like guys like laughing They're like well duh like it's because you're thinking of it like a text editor. It's like that's well That's what I want. I know that's what I want out of I just I just want a text editor Yeah, the extra features so far like I said again haven't checked out org mode yet soon, but so far Emacs is just a text editor for me and Vim is a better text editor than emacs ever will be it just is Core timer in the chat says you can use emacs in the terminal I'm aware of that, but I've been shamed and taught into not doing that because apparently that's the wrong way of doing it And then I asked well, why does the terminal version exist in that hi, buddy Anyways apparently the terminal version exists so that you can use it in a TTY So yeah, I can understand why it exists then because did you know when you edit like when you press E during your grub boot up and you go into the Editor for grub that actually uses emacs No, I did not. Yeah, see it does Why it uses emacs like seriously? Vi is right there. Vi is older. I'm pretty sure And it's much more like Right, I mean It's just weird Devon says I think you're mixing doom emacs and emacs itself I mean, I don't use just regular emacs. I use doom so I don't can't really tell what's you know What's not I used vanilla for like 30 seconds Found a couple of key bindings and ran ran away Like Kevin's like I don't know if you saw his last comment. He's like I give up at this point The emacs people are very very passionate about emacs and that's fine Like there's nothing wrong with emacs like I make fun of them But that's just because of their passion for it right there They make easy targets for for for for mirth, but um, there's nothing wrong with it It's just them as my text editor and I don't know I have my plugins that I need I don't add plugins that I don't need And it doesn't have a Tetris game, you know, I keep coming back to it has a Tetris game Why does it have a Tetris game? I don't know why I mean the funny part about it is it's like I mean like when you really think about it Essentially when you're arguing about whether or not you use FIM or emacs You might as well be arguing about like well, I really like cheddar cheese I can't believe that you would eat pepper jacks. You Like it come on. It's just preference. Yeah, and I'm not I don't know whether or not that Tetris game is part of doom Or if it's part of emacs, I don't know when I do my critique I'm gonna be basically critiquing doom emacs. I'll try not to say things that will disappoint people who use vanilla Emacs because you know whatever, but I'm sure I'm gonna mix that up because I don't know much about vanilla emacs Other than the keyboard and things scared me away Wait, so hold on so someone who does a review on emacs as a Vim user is not an emacs expert and probably won't get everything, correct? I'm gonna be completely honest with you and say that there the vast majority of the time that I've been scripting for the last two weeks When I need to do some things in my script, I just open up them like The thing that that's the that's the reason why I Wanted to use emacs in the terminal because then I could rebind it. I could just create an alias in the terminal to go to emacs and I could even replace my Vim alias for that and just use emacs So it just open up emacs and I wouldn't even know I mean I wouldn't know but I mean, you know I mean it wouldn't it wouldn't require new muscle memory to actually use But it does because you can't use it in the terminal I supposed to use it there and you don't get all the features so I've had to map emacs to a keybinding and 90% of the time I Don't remember to do it like I just hit I just I mean I'm in a terminal already I just hit V and enter you know emacs and there's start page. So, you know, so But, you know So the it's the muscle memory that's bothering me like it's that it's the I Don't remember to open it up like I spend some time in it each day But I actually have to force myself to go do it because it's an extra step get a mirror I don't use GUIs for text editing like ever So it's been odd for me Yeah, so those are my thoughts on do me max if if you if you're gonna You know, well all Kevin's asking is just spend a little bit more time with it and Get used to it. It's not gonna happen. I'm gonna spend more time with that. I'm gonna I I've had a tab open to or grown And for three weeks now I haven't gotten a chance to go to him and I want to because Vim wiki has been giving me some errors And I don't know how to fix so I would like to go through and see if maybe perhaps then wiki or org Rome is an option for me to replace Then wiki with but um You know, I Haven't got there yet. We'll see how you're like me. You like them. You don't need anything else That's the reason why I haven't gone through and looked at org mode or or grown yet because I I'm resistant to I'm resistant to seeing anything that might be good about you Away from my precious precious We'll see buddy. What's the matter buddy? They go ask what was the name of the dog the name of the dog is buddy buddy. Yeah, it's any and buddy. It's the new logo yo but Yeah, so that video come in a couple weeks time probably because eventually I'm gonna It's such a good dog. Yes. He is All right. Anyways, I didn't Emacs is a great OS, but comes with poor text editor We'll be our next challenge argues our next challenge is Going to be oh, hey easy there buddy. You have much the freaking microphone boy I Bunked his leg on the desk Anyways, our next challenge is going to be a rice wars. We still haven't figured out how we're going to go through and film that yet Or any of the details we haven't That'll probably it probably at this point won't happen till after the holidays I'm just gonna point out that way because we're Christmas is like You know a month away at this point. It's very close being a month away So it'll probably be after the holidays at this point, but anyways rice wars basically The concept if you haven't know if you don't know what that it what we're doing is we're both going to select a single winter manager we both have to do the same winter manager and We're gonna race it We're and by race. I mean we're gonna do the bar. We're gonna do everything about the winter manager We're gonna do them. We're going to be the terminal. We'll do the GTK apps We'll do the cute apps has to be from top to freakin bottom like everything And we're gonna time it the person who does it in the lease of my time and it's the challenge We just haven't figured out how to do it yet. You did say we're both doing the same window manager. It's gonna be the same When I made that way kid Yeah, I was about to say cuz I mean we could cheat and someone pick rat poison and have to feed that and that Take like five seconds, right, but it wouldn't be it'd be like If we were we were if we were to assign window managers to each of us that were different like window managers take longer to Like if you had to theme X monad that take a lot longer than theming I3 Yeah, I mean so yeah, that is That's the next challenge Probably the way we're going to do it is we'll just record it on our own You know me like a video on our own and then we'll put it together in a mashup of video and release that as a podcast but I Don't know yet We can't do that kind of thing. I don't know how we would go about doing it live. I just Well, I think the best way of going about doing it would be to take have each of us record like give us out the rules and everything and then Like the window manager that we're gonna use and everything and then have us theme it each of us recording us theming it and like timing ourselves doing it And then by the time you're done and everything you take your video we take both of them put them together Yes, I see you buddy. And then what we do is we both talk live as they play like in the background So like like they just watch both of us theme them in the background as we talk over it. That could be a good idea Yeah, um, I'm and I'm also not opposed to us streaming us streaming on our channels the actual process of writing it You know, I mean we could if we wanted to do that It's not something we have to keep secret, you know, it's just it's a time challenge not a Well, I mean we could do something cool We both schedule the streams at the same time and like we're gonna record the streams Like, you know to have us play back for when we do it live or if we do it live just talking about it I Mean what we could do is just schedule it at the same time Start and that way people can have both the streams like mute one watch one go over and like Keep up keep up with both of us If they wanted to that's what it's rude for one person. I'm just feeling Screwed Saini. I'm keeping up with Matt Well It's gonna be fun. Okay. Well one thing I know for is I'm really looking forward to it But I don't want to rush into it without us, you know sitting down just getting all the the specifics down properly So that this that will probably be after Christmas maybe it'll be like our so it's like we're gonna do a prediction show this year Or we go through and just do predictions because I mean if a podcast without a prediction show would be not a podcast at all So we'll do a prediction show and then maybe the episode after that. We'll go through and do a the racing wars We also talked about doing Distra Wars right where we go through and we we each pick a distra that we hate and then we have to Defend it to the other person. So that's gonna happen sometime next year as well That that'll be the challenge after that or the two challenges after that. So that'll also be quite fun So yes, there's some really good stuff coming up. So anyways, that is I think that is going to be it for us And on this episode before I go I'd like to take a moment thing of my current patrons Devon Chris east coast web gen 2 is one to Patrick L primus Marcus makelyn Jackson have tools They said a who's a brand-new patron welcome Sid If I'm mispronouncing your name, I Apologize I'm horrible with names Mitchell Art Center Amityas Merrick camp Joshua Lee J. Dalgan the BSD is rock coming up next week Which will be Next week will be We're going through it and doing an episode but the week after we'll be off because of you know turkey day Yep, so our next week topic is going to be I Think your your next one is going to be Do we really want mostly snaps and flatbacks when we're talking about snaps and flatbacks that should be very Very fun episode because we're gonna be bitching about snaps for Anyways, it'll definitely be a rambling one. Yeah, so that is it as it for us this episode. We'll see you next week