 from a company called Whitehawk, and my company specializes in open data consulting all over the world. At the beginning of the year, end of last year, I started doing FOI requests to every single local authority and asking them please provide me with a complete list of all the commercial properties as well as the vacancies, so let me know exactly which ones are empty and which ones are not. And local authorities quite a lot, a significant number, maybe about 15 to 20 percent turned around and said we will refuse, we refuse to release data because it causes crime if anybody knows the properties are empty. And I was like well how, how can an empty property cause crime? So I started a second parallel FOI series request which is to the local police to ask, tell me about crime and empty commercial properties. And that parallel resulted in police authorities do not collect such information. The Thames Valley here in Oxford they do and essentially it's none, one or two incidents in empty properties a year. And when you compare that to the number of crimes reported in actively traded business properties, we're talking, you know, 30, 40,000 crimes in particular local authorities relative to 1 to 0 crimes in empty properties. So we went to the Information Commissioner's office and I submitted something like 60 appeals to them and we're currently going through a process with the Information Commissioner's office. They're likely to issue a finding in the next month or so, which basically the Information Commissioner says, you have to prove that there is a legitimate connection between publication and not. So we're likely to see something like that coming through in the next month or two. And then I will restart my process, I will go back to all the local authorities who refused and I will say right we now have a finding. So either present the evidence that tells me that you're unable to release because of crime and I know your local police authority do not collect this because we hold every single police authority in the UK to ask whether or not they collect this data and we know only to do. So you're going to have to give us legitimate reasons or publish. I think every single person who has an interest in data and has a particular, you know, whatever it might be, an edge to scratch or a commercial interest should be pursuing the FI process. If the data and government hands, we need to find a way to get it out. I believe that if we had the FI process before the address database was sold off and we'd gotten that into public hands, that would have been, you know, instead now we're back in a situation where the government has to spend money to recreate this database that they had all along. So definitely use the FI process and, you know, you've just got to recognize that in some cases, particularly if that data are politically sensitive, you're going to go through a slog but you're just going to be persistent and you're just going to be very clear about what it is you want. I'd love to get to the point where I don't have to do it through FI requests and the local authorities just go cool we see the value of this and instead of waiting for you to come and ask me we just publish it because we know we're going to get the request and, you know, maybe a few will in the short term or we'll just keep plugging away with their FI's.