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So trying to mix it up a little bit But we definitely appreciate those of you have been been consistent and been faithful and supporting the love life and marriage Channel on YouTube as well, too So please support and share that as well. You definitely appreciate that. All right, so I want to get into the topic here and I Want to also just ask the question For those of you who are just joining if you are new to this channel, welcome If you are a MacArthur supporter welcome This is not a quote-unquote attack contrary to people like John Harris from Conversations that matter contrary to Bible thumping wingnut and the like This is not an attack Personally least for me. I can I can't speak for anyone else. I can speak for myself Did I have no personal acts to grind with John MacArthur or with anyone? I don't know John MacArthur, but I do know his ministry. I know his ministry has helped countless numbers of people And has been a blessing and a benefit to the body of Christ at large, but that does not mean and nor should we ever Negate when there are issues or there are sin issues that have come to the forefront that deserve our attention and Demand our devotion to the scriptures by holding each other accountable. That means no one is above Being corrected. No one is above rebuke. No one is above being admonished No one is above being told that they're wrong and does not matter who they are does not matter How many years of ministry they've been in how many books they've written how many languages they speak and how many so-called Souls that they may have saved when it comes to sin No one gets a pass in God's kingdom. Therefore. We're called to live lives of holiness We're called to live lives of integrity doesn't that mean we're going to be perfect But we should be striving for that now having said all that Having said all that I want to Play some some clips and I'll give my my response and commentary to it. Also, I'm going to cite scripture as my Basis on particular statements that Pastor John MacArthur has made But I encourage all of you and those who have been giving me thumbs down. That's fine I all two of you who have given me thumbs down on that That's that goes without saying what you are about. That's not a problem. That doesn't change a stop what I'm going to do We're gonna continue to do it. I need to say and probably go even harder in the pain, but With that being said with that being said I want to Address the the statement that MacArthur John MacArthur has made Believing and thinking that he is under satanic attack And so my question I want to ask you the viewer those of you who are watching this channel Those of you may watch this stream later. Do you believe That John MacArthur is under satanic attack in other words that he is being Targeted by Satan That's the question because that is what John MacArthur believes that is what he has said he has gone on record Saying it that he believes that what he has been experiencing and what he has been going through is a Satanic attack I Begged to differ and the reason why I do not agree with his assessment or his conclusion is because of the receipts because of the receipts Some said is it because of his illness? No, it's not because of his illness. He's saying that this was he said this at the at the master's University master's seminar and master's university two different schools was on the same campus, but He believes in light of the Previous events prior to the jude listen prior to Julie Roy's prior to Eileen Gray prior to Wendy Gray And others that have come forward He believes that due to the wasket report that was that was published I believe in 2020 either 2019 or 2020 somebody can can refresh my memory on that, but nonetheless That is his that is his take on it He honestly believes and thinks that he is being Attacked by Satan he believes that the enemy is is after him. He believes that People are trying to discredit and destroy him. He believes that That what he's doing he's being faithful to God. Therefore it is It is just an attack it's just a plot to try to to take him down and And of course he believes that he's on God's side Unfortunately, I don't believe that he is under any type of satanic attack. If anything I believe Satan is using him That's what I believe I Don't believe that that's that's that Satan is attacking him directly like Joe or anything like that I believe that he is he has been allowed. He's allowing himself to be used by Satan and with that Comes consequences With that comes being Being held accountable and responsible for what you do and I agree with Lily T I believe is he's he's reaping what he has sown I believe that God in his providence is holding him accountable for things that he has done and What has been done in the dark is now coming and Coming over the horizon of light, that's what I believe so With that being said, I want to I want to play Some clips actually I'm gonna be playing clips from the chapel meeting that he had it was it was secretly recorded and it leaked and it was leaked over social media and It was Made known to those who were able to have a copy of it and it's out. It was actually Online, but hopefully everybody's everybody's stream is good. I'm getting a couple people saying that you have buffering I'm not sure if that's everybody else if y'all are experiencing Any buffering issues I looked at my connectivity and it looks looks like everything was fine So let me let me make sure That yeah, this is I have my connection is good. So the connection is good on my end You may want to check on on your end Those who may be experiencing that but anyway, let me go get into this because I have a few clips I want to I want to share with you all and And ask some commentary that I want to bring before you as well too. So let's get started I knew that you weren't supposed to add a Convocated program like a seminary to an institution without permission from the accrediting people But they wouldn't give us permission. So I said, we're gonna do it anyway That was the recording and that was in the chapel meeting that he had with the seminary students And if you don't remember the context of the background of it, he was the the the master's university Was was being placed on probation for violating Certain, you know rules and guidelines and standards and one of those were Them having a a school or a seminary and and you heard the recording of what MacArthur said that he was not supposed to do that He was not supposed to do that and in and in turn he did it anyway Just in case you didn't hear hear it again Let me go ahead and also play it again just for the sake of context so you can hear exactly how his attitude and his response was to this I Knew that you weren't supposed to add a Convocated program like a seminary to an institution without permission from the accrediting people But they wouldn't give us permission. So I said, we're gonna do it anyway So notice he says so I said we're going to do it anyway Does that sound like someone under under Ecclesiastical authority? In other words, does that sound like someone who is? First among equals does that sound like someone who is a fellow elder amongst other elders that he does not have Supreme or primary authority over any institution Does that sound like a person who is? Who's humble and his and his dealings when it comes to when it comes to authority? This is I Believe I believe this is vile. This is in violation of the scriptures This is in violation of Romans chapter 13. This is in violation of Romans chapter 2 This is in violation of 1st Peter 2. So let's look at some scripture shall we? Romans chapter 13 Romans chapter 13 verse 1 Look what it says it says every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities for there is no authority except from God and Those which exist are established by God Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil Do you have do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same? for It is a minister of God to you for good But if you do what is evil be afraid for it does not bear the sword for nothing for it It is a minister of God an avenger who brings wrapped on the one who practices evil Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection not only because of wrath, but also for a conscience sake Now I wanted to scroll back up again because some of you may say well, that's just dealing with the police Let's do one. Well, look at verse 1 again Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. Is that what the text says I Want to make sure y'all y'all we all following on the same track here. Is that what the text says does the text say Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities and then Paul by the end under the inspiration of Holy Spirit says for there is no authority except from God and Those which exist are established by God. So let me let me bring the cookies down from the top shelf for a second And I'm just want to ask one question do you or do we or Do us as Christians believe that Whatever system of authority God has set up that he's sovereignly ordained it that whether it is good or bad whether it is a tyrannical system of government whether it is a a democratic Government whether there's a representative Republic of government whatever whatever system of government do we believe that all Systems of authority and government have been established by God. Yes or no Let me just let me just establish that point real quick before we go further with any other text Do you believe according to what Romans chapter 13 verse 1 just says that there is no authority that exists except from God Every third that exists has been established by God Do we believe that yes or no? I just want I want to see if we get some confirmation here for a second I know is it gonna be tough, but it's tight, but it's right Visit you said yes, Judah. You said yes. Hippolyta. You said yes My dear says yes, Barbara said yes. Okay, so we pretty much all agree, right? David you said I know sometimes I burn leaves in my yard, but my county says I'm not supposed to do that So I will stand in front of God for this one one day. Yeah We have we have authorities listen even even the school crossing guard if we still have those when we are driving in school zones and we have Now you may have traffic cops or whatever, but you know if you have a person that's that's you know a Crossing guard when I was growing up going to school. They had crossing guards You know, we had that vest on and they had that little batch and you know, they had their whistle They didn't have a gun. There was this a crossing guard Does that crossing guard have more authority than me? Yes or no Do you believe that a school crossing guard has more authority when I get into their jurisdiction? when I get into their realm in sphere of Authority does that crossing guard have the power and the authority to tell me to stop Or tell me to turn or to tell me go this way or that way. Yes or no. Yes or no I'm going somewhere with this. Yes or no I need some I need an answer in the chat and I'll make it popular I'll populate it. I want to make sure all of us are on the same page here that we all are tracking on the same Wavelength here. Do you believe that the crossing guard has more authority than me when I am in a school zone? David you said yes Tyra Lily Barbara all of y'all said yes redeem Erica said yes. Okay, my dear said yes. All right, so once again Paul you said yes Sheila. You said they still have them. Okay. All right, so we good. We good. All right, so so here's my question then What makes John MacArthur believe or feel or think that he has more authority over the accreditation Institution Just because he's a pastor Does John MacArthur have the right to disobey? Authority and do what he wants to do anyway when he knew he said it it was his words He knew that he was not supposed to do that and he said I Decided to do it anyway that that sound like someone who was under authority Yet, this is the same man who preaches and teaches Submission to authority when it comes to husband and wife. So you tell men That their wives are to submit to them, but you sir refuse it to submit to a higher authority above you Romans chapter 2 Romans chapter 2 I don't know if y'all smell this but I smell hypocrisy. I Smell hypocrisy. I don't know if you smell it, but I smell it. It's pretty strong Romans chapter 2 verse 21 you therefore who teach another do you not teach yourself? You who preach that thou should not steal. Do you steal? Do you steal? That he's asking Paul is asking rhetorical questions Interrogative of questions interrogative of questions as well You say that you one should not commit adultery. Do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols? Do you rob temples? You who boast in the law through your breaking the law. Do you dishonor God? For the name for it for the name of God is blasphemed among you For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you in other words We make God look bad When we who especially those of us who are pastors or elders or teachers or people with influence and authority When we do opposite of what we know We're supposed to do and then we tell other people to do what they're supposed to do You know the old saying do as I say not as I do. This is hypocrisy This is hypocrisy plain and simple cut and dry John MacArthur is Being a hypocrite in that instance Nobody wants to say it, but I'll say it in love First Peter chapter 2 verse 12 to 17 keep your behavior excellent amongst the Gentiles So that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may observe your good deeds They may have they may observe or they may they may because of your good deeds rather as they observe them glorify God in the day of visitation verse 13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human Institution did y'all did y'all hear what with the with the word of God said I Didn't want to make sure y'all heard it. Did you hear what Peter said? Did y'all did y'all hear what Pete said Pete said submit yourselves? Submit yourselves. This is this is what we are commanded to do Peter's not asking us. He's telling us Submit yourselves right here verse 13 heiress passive Imperative meaning we're to constantly keep ourselves in a we're to always Submit ourselves under authority always And so far as that authority does not tell us to sin right? That's the qualifier. That's it Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution whether to a king as one in authority or to governors as Sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right for Such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men verse 16 Maybe Pastor John and and the elders at grace didn't didn't have this verse in their Bible Maybe it was it was ripped out of their Bible like my daughter Madeline did when she was a baby She remember she ripped out my first Peter five text Still hurts me to this day It was a little baby and she her little her little hands You know them babies when they had them little hands that grab on stuff real tight And I was trying to I was trying to herb and grab it and I when I did it She just ripped the page out first Peter five just ripped it out So maybe maybe verse 16 is ripped out of John MacArthur names Bible Act as free men and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil But use it as bonds slaves of God honor all people that includes the accreditation Love the brotherhood fear God honor the king Ladies and gentlemen, do we think do you believe that John MacArthur is guilty of that? What he said he said that he knew it was wrong heat matter of fact, let me play it again. I Knew that you weren't supposed to add a complicated program like a seminary to an institution without permission from the accrediting people But they wouldn't give us permission So I said we're gonna do it anyway. They wouldn't give him permission But I said we're going to do it anyway I just want y'all I just want y'all let that sink in Just let that sink in for a second He knew it was wrong. He knew was in violation of the accreditation standards, but he chose to do it anyway That sounds like rebellion to me. That doesn't sound like a misstep. That doesn't sound like an accident That sounds like intentional rebellion But yet this is the same man Who teaches? Women that they are to submit to their husbands, but yet he refuses to submit to higher governing authorities because He didn't want to okay. All right y'all maybe y'all show is quiet I'll go to the next one then And I need to pray for you And he bowed his head and he launched in a prayer for me What had happened in that three days is A rather orchestrated attack is not by any human source certainly by Satan himself There was an attack directly on me And it came in all kinds of forms But was it was me and so when they when they told me what the report was about and they said there was a culture of bullying intimidation fear didn't mean This was directed at me That was a new experience for me And I was puzzled by it I Tend to be well, no, I don't tend to be I am Under orders by the Lord to preach the word with all the patients and so I tend to be patient with people who maybe have Extended the right to that patients. So I tend to want to believe that sanctification is a long process and I'm not in a hurry to throw people out I want to be gracious and patient so Now it's interesting that he believes that he's under Satanic attack that the enemy that Satan himself is attacking him Where why would you why would you say that the enemy is attacking you when you violated a rule? That's a standard You're not exempt from the rules none of us are and Someone and I'm not really sure if these people are from grace to you or there are a MacArthur supporter But I'll go ahead and answer this question Jason Jackson says so are you saying we all should be vaccinated them? What does being facts have to do with submitting to governing authorities when it comes to non-sin issues? The accreditation The accreditation company did not tell John MacArthur to violate scripture They told him to abide by a rule that he knew Notice he said on tape. He knew that it was wrong. He knew that he was not supposed to do that He said that I didn't say it. He said it and this is not the first time that that the seminary or the university at the master seminary University Were under accreditation status? So he been knew he knew these rules for years But he chose to disobey it So, let's not let's not mix apples and oranges here because what is being Vax have to do with submitting to to godly authority? Answer absolutely nothing Absolutely nothing They he knew that he was not supposed to have the school established without permission without the guidelines being being Satisfied he chose to do it anyway And all of us understand what submission means we don't we listen How is having a school on? campus in violation of scripture When the governing authorities say that you can't and then you want to abide by that rule But then because it doesn't fit in suit your fancy you you want to now disobey it and rebel against you can't do that Because here's another question Did the governing authority or the accreditation? Institution tell MacArthur tell Grace Community Church to violate a scripture principle no He just said they didn't say he couldn't have service He didn't say or they didn't say that they can't pray. No, they just you can't have a University or a seminary on campus without but I've gone by certain guidelines. That's not a sin It became sin when John MacArthur chose to disobey and rebel against that authority And isn't it funny how people want to make excuses for rebellion we do it all the time We do it all the time It's not changing your mind. It's rebelling against a rule Jason are you a husband? I'm just curious. I'm trying to see something. Are you a husband, sir? Are you are you a husband? Are you a father? Does your child does your wife have the right to? Violate to disobey your authority to not submit to your authority because they changed their mind I'm just asking I'm just asking mr.. Just I mean just follow your logic to his to his idiotic conclusion And then you can answer your own question But I find it rather odd but I'm not surprised because again we make excuses We cape for our idols when it suits us When it suits us and that's and that's this sad reality of the sad reality of we make we make excuses for people's rebellion because that's what we I Don't know. That's what we love doing when it's our idols When it's our idols but Let's continue apparently what had happened was an undercurrent of For whatever reasons Hostility toward me had surface. It had nothing to do with seminar Nothing to do with a similar It had to do with the university situation and I always believe the best about everybody Yeah, I'm the wrong guy to come to it and point about somebody because I Don't tend to believe things. I I want to think the best Wow, well, I wonder does Eileen Gray and Wendy gray I want to do they believe that you believe the best about them. I wonder I Wonder I Mean that's that's Interesting that you would say that yeah idiotic is not a bad word and I call it as I see it It's that was a dumb statement That was dumb I'm following I'm I'm answering I'm answering a fool according to their folly. Let's they be wise to their own eyes It's not about changing their mind. It is what it is That was a that was a dumb that was a dumb question. It was done It was done Because you're probably the same person that is It's married and have children and would you want your husband? Would you want your wife rather than your children to not submit and obey your authority because they changed their mind? That's what makes it idiotic. That's what makes it dumb and hypocritical to say the least So I say what I said and I meant maybe word I said every syllable every vowel every consonant everything so The question is he said he believes he likes to believe the best He likes to believe the best Hmm unless it's what Eileen Gray unless it's because you Believe what elders have said even though those elders did not handle her case and her situation regarding David Gray I Mean you you you've had correspondence with Wendy and In the situation with her with her father Did you believe the best about her story it makes you wonder I'm just I'm just asking It makes you wonder that you claim that you believe the best about people Until it's time to put them out because you don't believe the best about them I Mean you put a woman out of the church You you put a woman and and their children out of the church Because you claim That she was the one who did not Take her husband back because she was operating and unforgiveness And to this very day you refuse To apologize all she wants to this very day is for you to publicly apologize and make right What you've done wrong you and the elders and even even elder Han Cho who had nothing to do with the situation and again For the sake of record and reminder he was requested to it to investigate He was requested to do his own Investigation and to see how did the church handle the Eileen Gray situation? He did not take it upon himself and say I'm gonna do this. He was requested He was approached by the elders and by John MacArthur to go and look at this case and see how They did and how they treated Eileen Gray and did they handle it right and because they did not like the Results and the findings of this attorney elder Han Cho they now Put him out quote-in-quote They even also made him either Either you line up and you agree with us or you you leave And so he chose to leave Chose the leaves No, I did not have not been putting up to disclaimer But maybe I'll start doing it again It looks like I may have to do that very thing now Oh boy But let's continue so I Just wondered does he does he does that believe in the best? You know also occur and apply to to Eileen Gray. I probably would say say not They opened an email account or anybody saying anything you wanted anonymously and And people who haven't liked me for a long time or don't agree with theology outside the institution and sometimes even inside the institution Were we're let the somehow they found out about this and they sort of piled on Who are these individuals? I'm I'm I'm I'm curious and concerned to know who are these individuals that piled on to you um You know there's this whole thing about the culture of fear and intimidation There there have been quite a few people matter of fact if the accreditation um If the accreditation organization, you know, put that in the report that meant they they've had enough evidence to prove it I mean, I don't know if you I've ever read the wasp report. You may want to read it because it's it's it's detailed and outlined in the report on the The charges and their findings and what needs to be done And that was one of them after I've talked to several students. I've talked to several faculty current and former Who basically say it was true? There's a culture of intimidation and fear And you know what that happens and in most cases that happens in cults That happens in institutions that have the earmarks um of a cult There's no other way of putting it That's our cults function churches don't function that way but cults do so, you know They have nothing to say and then up pops everything was affirmation Donors love you the board loves the school the faculty students and then there's this culture of fully feared intimidation so we can keep them in the weeds for some reason I was under attack and I began to realize Kind of why some of that may have existed Through the years you sometimes have inadequate people that have to be replaced We have on faithful people that have to be replaced Pretty hard in that kind of environment not to have some people who are upset We uh, we hit a very difficult time for a couple of years We didn't have adequate leadership in five or six critical areas because the previous administration has I let that slip so the board asked me to jump in and so we were terminating people in one department alone 90 people were terminated one day by someone else on me Notice he said at first that the board asked him to jump in and we Terminated then at the end of his explanation. He said they did not mean then why would they ask you to jump in? but but anyone who knows the underpinnings and the Outworkings of the master's seminary The master's university Grace community church grace to you. Everyone knows that the buck stops with John McGrath Everyone knows that Everyone knows that Everyone who would not Cower in fear will admit that and they will state and affirm what I just said that Yeah, what he says goes and if you try to go against what he says you you want to have a very short Live and short stay At that institution or at that campus. It's just it just that's going to be the reality So again The culture of fear intimidation and bullying why would that be Something that you would be charged with if that is not true and again Another thing is is that notice how he's explaining himself at the at the chapel But he does not do it in the public's in the public sphere in the public square because that Wasp report is public knowledge You can get a copy of it So wouldn't you want that information if it was not true to be either Debunked or defended if it is true that you're doing things right on the up and up I mean that's that's the question you need to ask yourself because again, why would they say these things and And why would all these people that were with you for years? All of a sudden lie, but again what what cults do or what? Institutions that have a cult like mentality a cult like following Does they'll they'll make the individuals who are filing complaints look bad like they're the villain I have yet to hear John MacArthur admit anything he's done wrong I don't know. Have you have you ever heard John MacArthur admit when he's wrong about something Now Phil Johnson was swepping down that he has okay Well, I mean you you you work for him So you're not going to bite the hand that feeds you and you're definitely not going to Smack the hand that's buttering your bread You're not going to do that. What you're going to do is you're going to defend him Uh to the depth if necessary and that's how cults How cults function and how cults uh operate This next this next clip is going to be disturbing. So I'm going to warn you now After this clip, I'm going to read some information So, uh, hopefully you don't have any any children around if you do you may want to cover their ears and send them to another room But this next clip and the reading that I'm going to share with you will be disturbing Obviously when there's a lot of bloodshed and blast broken, you're going to have people who are unhappy and whatever Uh, and so they they sort of went after me and anything associated with me They particularly and this was the first thing that why I said they went after the board and said the board or a bunch of John McArthur Bands who don't have objectivity Uh, in fact, they said that there were a lot of people on the board that are employed by ministries of dr. Carter. So they're under his authority. The truth is there are zero That's an illustration of what was in the report completely unrelated to truth And there were many many other things like that that had nothing to do with real nothing They said we had a An audit committee Issue that we had never addressed We had addressed it They said there was a break and we hadn't necessarily followed protocol Some girl said she was raped 12 years ago And she said it was by a couple of seminary students It turns out that um We went back and got the data on that She was attending a bible study here at grace church and uh Dude that she accused That she accused um Were never students at seminary or at the university We didn't know who they they weren't even identified with grace church And that was all in a police report because she was taken by the pastoral staff here to police and they completely discounted the entire story So somebody puts that on a website somewhere and Makes that claim In recent months and it shows up in a report as if we didn't address that threat Absolutely Well I have a copy of The statement that I believe John McArthur's referring to and so what I want to do Uh, I'm going to populate it. I'm gonna read the whole entire thing, but you can go online and pull it up Her name is Karen Caldwell you see it there in the At the upper right hand portion of the screen I'm only going to read page one And probably page four But you can pull this up Now she has to be a liar to write all this information that she wrote in such succinct and accurate detail And for it to go to to the to the government particularly the united states department of Education but again This is an accusation that John McArthur said was discounted by the police what we're going to find out We're going to find out based on her testimony her statement And who were the individuals involved in handling this rape case allegedly Again page one to united states department of education I'm reporting the following clergy Excuse me the following clary act and title nine violations I understand While clary act has no statute of limitations that I am passed the statute of limitations of reporting title nine violations I'm requesting a waiver for the elapsed time due to the college failing to inform students of their rights under title nine and clary act Please refer to the attached student handbook Demonstrating that no literature was ever distributed to inform students of our rights Furthermore per the student handbook The only recourse for complaint was the student appeals committee headed by the vice president of student life and the deans There was no avenue for settling the grievance in the house against the vice president of student life and the deans There was no title nine coordinator and no title nine exemption until 2017 The institution was not compliant and did not fully Distribute title nine and clary act materials until 2018 After they were placed under probation by their accrediting agency on july july 18th 2018 I was aware I could report the school to an outside agency until this occurred I reported to the college to their accrediting agency on october 12th 2018 I received a reply on october 15th 2018 informing me My complaints were too far in the past to be handled by the accrediting agency However The accrediting agency Referred me to the u.s. Department of Education I reported assault and rape To the master's university and seminary Previously the master's college in seminary located at 21 seven two six Placerita canyon road santa clarita california and then the zip the institution is related to grace community church Located at 13248 rosco boulevard sun valley california The zip is there President john macArthur of the master's university and seminary is the his head pastor of grace community church I was discriminated against Harassed and retaliated against by school administration and staff as a result of my report I was assaulted and raped on july 4th 24 2004 excuse me on july 4 2004 These crimes were committed off campus and not committed by anyone related to the master's university I also attempted to commit suicide on july 4th 2004 following the attack august 2004 I reported the rape and suicide attempt more than a month after the fact via telephone to erin johnston now erin claim dean of women I was in an emotional spiral and was looking for support and direction I did not know what to do in my situation and I was still blank I called her several times anonymously On september 16 2004 I spoke with erin on the phone and she promised to leave some devotional books for me to pick up at the college library I picked up the books on september 27 2004 One of the books was no place to cry the hurt and healing of blank As you see the name there the title there by doris van stone in erwin w lutser The college learned my identity during this incident during a follow-up phone call with erin She has stated that she has spoken with mark tetlock vice president of student life. He was offering me a free room on campus for my protection I'm gonna skip to page four Well, let me go back Excuse me After normally leaving me in danger I saw my rapist daily and was blank the rest of the semester My college the college finally stepped in on december 17 2004 Just after my last final exam had been completed Matt tetlock and erin johnson informed me that child protective services had been notified And I had been given an option of staying where the school decided to put me I was whisked away to a friend's house a couple from grace community church for just over two weeks erin came to see me once during this period She discussed with me and my friends my my blank feelings I stated that I was still experiencing blank thoughts and depression The reason why i'm putting blank here because sometimes youtube has a trigger for these that s word I was told I was being sinful and not trusting god It was my choice to be depressed and my choice to Not bear spiritual fruit I needed to repent of my sinful feelings because god hates murder and suicides by blank. Sorry and s is self murder I was told if I committed s my soul would go to hell and spend the rest of eternity in damnation I would burn forever separated from god I just needed to be joyful quote unquote. No one ever called 911 or offered me Immediate counseling. I was supposed to get over s urges Magically on my own because someone in spiritual authority over me told me to I also told erin that I never wanted to see my rapist again I expressed to her my interest in a restraining order and speaking with the social worker assigned to this case erin was very non-committal and told me to be patient My rapist had discovered my location, but erin refused to help me find another place to stay I had no transportation no working cell phone and no internet access I was forbidden to speak with my boyfriend or anyone else. I was entirely cut off I was allowed to move back to campus prior to the beginning of the spring semester On jerry wary 12 20 2005 I was instructed by erin to attend a meeting at king hall the student life office I assumed this meeting would be regarding my financial situation and how I was To continue to afford being a student instead. I walked into an ambush Present at the meeting were my boyfriend Mark tatlock erin johnson Bill shannon. Does anyone remember who bill shannon is that name should sound familiar and ring a bell shouldn't it bill shannon head pastor and elder of children's ministry at grace community church And my rapist. These are the individuals that were present at the meeting. She says I did not consent for the matter to be investigated in house I was given no option. I was forced to submit to administration's decisions or be expelled Why was the matter even investigated in house? The rapist was not a student alumni faculty staff donor or even directly connected to masters Why was grace community church involved? Just because the rapist was a member of their church I never consented to masters to release my private information to the church I certainly did not consent to be put into the same room as my rapist. In fact, I had especially told erin I never wanted to see him again and have campus security informed me. He was not allowed on campus all I asked Masters for was counseling protection from the rapist's present Presence on campus and financial aid and count and housing child protective service was already investigating as far as I was concerned Masters is a school grace community is a church Neither is qualified to investigate rape as demonstrated by the circus that followed apparently Why had been conveniently out of the way at my friend's house And maybe I need to play put r here too. My r had been busy building a case against me My r was a member of grace and had been a volunteer in children's ministry at grace in the past Bill Shannon The elder That grace had sent to handle this case was the head of children's ministry in hindsight It seems as far as grace and masters were concerned. This meeting wasn't about justice reconciliation or even the truth This was about damage control Instead of handling the issue of handing the issue over to law enforcement in the court system The college decided to play detective jury and judge and a lopsided trial against me instead of looking for the truth Masters put on a great amount of pressure on me to confess to lying They did not put any pressure on my r to admit he was guilty They did nothing to put him in the spotlight of this fake investigation. The focus was entirely on me and my character Any of my attempts to call him into question was immediately silenced Masters considered him and his character untouchable I had even stated I even stated I had messenger logs You scroll up. Uh, let me see. Here we go Uh, I had even stated I had messenger logs that proved he was stalking and harassing me online as recently as the day before No one wanted to see the evidence No one thought his online behavior was important, but mine was put under extreme scrutiny My particular situation was a case of he said she said my r knew that knew that and targeted my character during this meeting My r had his laptop stacks and stacks of printed out messenger logs and emails from a computer I left behind and other quote-unquote evidence I was totally unprepared and had to wing my own defense as no one president stood up for me except my boyfriend I had expressly forbidden I had been expressly forbidden to contact my boyfriend by matt tatlock and erin johnston since december 17th 2004 I find it suspicious that I was not given a fair warning of this meeting It is also suspicious that my communication and movement had been restricted completely While my r was allowed to do whatever he pleased It seemed as if grace and masters wanted me to be caught off guard and defenseless I was not allowed to make a case against his character I asked to get my own laptop with my own with my with my logs and was refused I asked for a charger specific to my nokia phone, which had been out of battery for weeks This is back in the day when charges were specific to each phone model and too expensive for me to replace My r had the same phone, but he claimed he did not have a charger with him No one offered to help me buy a charger or find a charger to borrow Therefore I was refused access to my contacts list So I could not contact any friends who could clear up the character attacks lobbed at me My r attempted to place the blame on my boyfriend stating we Had made this entire thing up to hide our sexual sins I pointed out that if we had been sleeping together, we hadn't It would have been in our best interest to just keep it keep quiet Versus creating a huge rape allegations He tried to attack my honesty based off my messenger laws Grasping at straws for example He stated I was lying about being somewhere on one occasion when I was really at home However, he was not internet savvy and did not And and did not understand that tagging a place a person with an at symbol does not refer to my current location I was merely speaking of the location. I had tagged Masses was not convinced He alleged I was lying about my location on another occasion But he would not acknowledge the messenger laws were in 24 hour time format zero 200 hours is not 2 p.m So where was I at 2 in the in the afternoon had nothing to do with the conversation took place when the conversation took place at 2 in the morning Masters remain skeptical. He accused me of lying about how many cars he owned I had stated in a messenger conversation that his driveway looked ridiculous with four vehicles clogging it up He stated he only owned two cars and the other two were company cars I never stated he owned cars just that there were four vehicles present regardless of ownership This was still counted against me as a lie He couldn't even get his dates correct when presenting his alibis the meeting stretch for two to three hours digging into similar unimportant Unrelated municia That I repeatedly shot down How much time we spent regarding the actual r was negligible versus the time spent nitpicking my messenger logs on unrelated issues When we did speak of the r I was reprimanded for being uncomfortable sharing specific intimate details of the rape My period feminine hygiene app at habits what parts of my body I shaved whether I Or whether or not I wore bras and what type of underwear I own to a room full of men My reluctance was considered either lying or rebellion I was I was also questioned if not accused of viewing pornography and reading erotic fiction I Earned another strike against me when it was revealed that my mother had bought me plain underwear from victoria's secret Because supposedly only loose women shopped there My rapist accused me of making up a wedding I attended I was not allowed a way to charge my phone to get a number You get a phone number to corroborate my attendance my suggestion to submit the number to them at a later date was firmly dismissed I Was accused of lying because I told one person To one person that the wedding and I'm gonna stop here at page four I'm gonna stop here page four. Just give me a minute and go to the top For my friend kathryn and I had told others it was for my friend angela or angelica I could not defend myself stating it was an lgbt commitment wedding It was still illegal for lgbt couples to marry in the state of california at this time I was afraid to tell masters my friend's orientation because that would have counted against me in fact Supporting an lgbt wedding would have been most condemning bit of evidence against me despite being totally unrelated to being arred I chose not to explain the name discrepancy Choosing the less of two evils in the eyes of the masses seminary being a liar over being a friend of lesbians The wedding reception was held at a bar in the san fernando valley I cannot recall which one as I had no involvement planning the wedding And I did not I did not drive myself there I did not have a car I didn't even know how to drive the fact that I attended a wedding reception at a bar was held against me because it was a bar As if I had any control over the venue I'm still unsure how this relates to r I was not arred at this event. This event happened nowhere in connection with the r My r did not even know this event took place But then my cardinal sin was revealed I drank alcohol aha Now they had me a double life My r was smug and triumphant Now that I wasn't the perfect Little christian damson and distress but an alcoholic. It was all downhill From there admittedly alcohol had been my coping mechanism for the abuse I endured No one present was interested in hearing that I only drank started drinking out started drinking rather after the abuse began It was enough to condemn me in their eyes if I could drink alcohol that I was capable of anything including making up a r The meeting ended with pastor shannon asking me if I had seduced my r Read that again The meeting ended With pastor shannon Asking me if I had seduced my r I don't have the words to describe the total defeat. I felt when he asked me that question I had already lost in their eyes and lost badly I was so beyond redemption and evil to masters because I needed to I needed alcohol to block the pain I lived with daily. There was nothing I could say after that to defend myself Nothing was good enough to trump the alcoholic card. My r had played in hindsight I do not believe there was anything I could have said or done to sway masters to my side I could have had video and masters still would have swept it under the rug The danger of scandal to masters related church was too great for them to risk as the church was already too busy trying to hide another p scandal around the time involving a teacher Previously employed by the church's elementary school and approved to be a missionary by the church the people versus david grant gray three in fact The church elder in charge of my case was also involved in the david gray case Bill shannon had bungled the david gray case so badly that he was reported to the la police department for failure to report ca in july 2004 Just one month before I made my initial contact with erin joston la pd police report and you see the case number william shannon failed to report ca Instead of learning from this p Case in their church masters in grace community worked even harder to destroy and bury my case They wanted three months before contacting cps about me They knew who I was september 2004 and did nothing until december 17th 2004 I was not given any information regarding making a police report going to the hospital counseling, etc I was very much in the dark regarding the entire process I was not aware of the clary act required the college to give me this information These proceedings more closely resemble the student disciplinary process Especially since mark tatlock was speaking of expelling me However, even then the investigation that occurred didn't remotely follow any of the disciplinary steps stated in the handbook More importantly, you don't put our victims through the disciplinary process The entire thing felt disorganized Frantic and slanted against me My assumption at the time was that my case had been reported to cps So that was all I could do However, I found out later that the college had mistaken me for a minor due to a mix-up of my birthday So cps could do nothing for me as I was an adult when the crime occurred And I'll just stop right there so according to According to John McArthur, this was dismissed because he said um The police got involved and they investigated and they just you know There was no evidence. Well In this in this statement. She talks about her rape kit. I'll just leave that there This report is very disturbing And when you have all this type of cover-up and and and then You have these other cases that emerge And then you find out that other cases had occurred and and and then you find out You're not the only one that this has happened to and and then you find out another family have gone through this And then you find out that this family has gone through this and then you find out then an elder Investigates one case and said y'all didn't handle this situation, right? And then he's forced to decide whether or not he wants to stay here And while he's trying to implore John McArthur and the other elders at grace to do what is right to do just as what's his words quote-unquote they Basically force him out but John McArthur is the one being attacked by satan, right? That's that's the story. That's the the narcissistic plea that is being Positive now And now I have to say this in all honesty you guys there are irresponsible people out there And some of them are graduate to this institution Who are assuming that everything they read in there is true? There's a reason why scripture says be slow to speak And quick to listen Keep your mouth shut until you know the whole story so you don't end up looking like a fool I would say the same thing to John McArthur when it came to the Eileen Gray case When it came to Wendy gway In other cases, I would say the same thing. I would say that you made decisions in putting people out of a church Claiming that you had the facts, but you never even you never even talked to Eileen Gray You never even wanted to meet with this woman, but you presided over a church discipline and ex-communication service during communion mentions her name Claims that she's an unbeliever while still covering for the one who violated her and his children And then you funded this man's prison ministry After serving while serving time rather for the same crime that he committed And by the way, he admitted that he did those things And what did you do sir? You covered for her But you kick Eileen gray out Wendy gray Wendy's Wendy gway's father Assaulted his daughter and what happened You cover for Allegedly, right? All this alleged stuff, right? All this is documented evidence ladies and gentlemen, you can look it up yourself You can look it up yourself Abusing children Covering up for that and this is not happening This is not happening at a Mormon church a Scientology church Jehovah Witness church a Muslim church. No. No. No. No. No. No, this is happening right up under our noses People who claim to Stand for God are violating the people of God and they're getting away with it The assault wasn't on the seminary and it wasn't even on the university That the words of the head of the committee you are under attack Pointed directly at me So I said before look get rid of me Maybe that's the best thing to do But then That wouldn't allow us to deal with the reality because you don't want the you don't want the attackers Trying it, right? I'm not going to go away in time. I've always felt I've always felt strong and energized and ready when I know the truth I probably would disagree with that um How do you know the truth when? What is true you won't respond to it you you have people like phil johnson and others Defend you But notice do you are here the language do you are here where he's making this about him? That's what narcissists do This is this is a form of narcissism ladies and gentlemen Where where the narcissist plays the victim everybody else is wrong I don't know why they're attacking me the enemy is attacking me satan's attacking me satan's mama's attacking me satan's sister's attacking me satan's grandmama Everybody and satan's family is attacking me But instead of me being responsible and accountable for my own actions and saying well Maybe this is god's providence and holding me accountable for the things that I've done That I have yet to repent and make right for maybe that's it Maybe that's the possibility Maybe that's the reason why all these cases keep cropping up and soon as I try to dismiss one another pops up and another pops up So every time you try to pay whack-a-mole with these cases something else appears You ever thought about maybe this is god trying to get your attention, sir You can't be this blind to ignore this Maybe you are There are things that god hates progress six right one of them is the one who stirs up strike Keep your mouth shut. Don't stir up strike. You don't know the full story Somebody said to me well students were saying why did we have to find out? Why do we have to find out about this probationary status on the facebook? i'm gonna be real honest with you You didn't have any right to find out about anything. That's not your responsibility The assumption of this culture is that you know, you're supposed to know anything you want to know Did you hear this manager said? He tells these grown men who are spending hundreds and thousands of dollars and Fees and student loans and all this other kind of stuff that they don't have a right to know What is going on and why did they have to find out about this scandal about this ordeal on social media? Why didn't you tell us this past MacArthur his answer? You weren't supposed to know It wasn't your place to know. It wasn't it. We you don't have the responsibility to know this. Do you hear this? one person said I used to attend his church I used to attend this church. You said for years. I left a year ago MacArthur is wrong in regards to Eileen Gray. I wish he would have missed that but thank you for For saying that thank you But I just want you all to let that sink in for a second This this man has the audacity to tell but see when you when you write everything You can tell people whatever you want to tell them. Yes, exactly. That's who it sounds like li'l That's exactly what sounds like Lisa. He sounds like g craig lewis I can't if I were to close my eyes. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference Other than the color and the tone of the voice but the mentality the the mindset the philosophy the gaslighting the intimidation How was that not intimidating to tell students? You don't have a right to know It was none of their business Sound like genuine, don't it? Ain't none of your friends business ain't none of your friend business. That's what it sound like This this is this is the mentality what we have right now going on all this power And abusive authority, but he said it not me. I didn't make this up. He said it You don't have a right to know, you know, it ain't none of your business It's not your responsibility. He's treating him like little children. I mean, what does it take? What would it take for us as a church as a people of god to start holding these people responsible why I told y'all And if we don't start hitting people in their pockets, they're going to continue to do what they're doing Because these people don't people like John MacArthur don't listen to reason because he pretty much has been covered in capes for decades So why would he listen to somebody like me? Yeah, yeah, that's what he said be great I thought it we was all in this together. No, no not all of us Not all of us, sir Not all of us. That's what we're wrong But what does the word of god say about this? Is it isn't our business to know how we or what Goes on when it comes to Finances and when it comes to how we are to you know, conduct ourselves With resources that people of god entrust to our care. You better believe it second Corinthians chapter 8 verse 18 to 21 Paul speaks about the the administration of resources and funds From the Macedonian church and how the Corinthian churches are to Conduct and govern themselves in it. He says we have sent along with him The brother whose fame and the things of the gospel has spread through all the nations people of integrity And not only this verse 19 But he also has been approved by the churches to travel with us in this gracious work Which is being administered by us for the glory of the lord himself and to show our readiness verse 20 taking precaution So that no one will discredit us in our administration of this generous gift Do you hear what paul just said? He says i'm bringing Other people two other people along because i want to make sure that all checks and balances are in place here He says we're going to take precaution of this. We're going to make sure we do what we're supposed to do Literally, he says avoiding this avoiding what That we don't mishandle That we don't take advantage He says so that no one will discredit us in our administration Of this generous gift For we have regard for what is honorable We care about our name and our reputation paul says for we have regard for what is honorable Not only in the sight of the lord. Yeah, you can see y'all we here's all the time Uh, I I only answer to god. No Then how that goes chief Paul says we should have regard for what is Honorable and right and of integrity not only in the sight of god who sees all things But also in the sight of men And they may not see all things but they see what how we're handling Resources they see how we handling funds when things look awry or amiss We should be able to say well, here's how this went down and here's what caused this to happen None of this is none of your business Or you don't have a right to know You should have never known Who says that other than cults? Who says that other than dictators who says that? Talking to grown men like their children That's who says it But that's the attitude that goes on there John Mcgrotha runs everything don't get it twisted for a second He runs every thing I want to um Share one or the scripture Let's go back a second Let me share one more scripture because this is this is also another one And the principle is clear Proverbs chapter 28 verse 1 And it applies here The wicked flea when no one pursues The wicked flea when no one pursues, but The righteous are bold as a lion in other words the principle is this when you and I have nothing too high We have no reason to run We have no reason to run Why wouldn't you let the people know who are paying Your salary or salaries Why wouldn't you let the people know? Because when you have something to hide That's what we do now I'm almost done And I want you all just to sit tight because you you definitely need to be here for near the end of this of this life Okay So just hold on to your drink or you may want to get a drink may want to get a strong one but Guarantee you you you're not going to want to miss this once you see it and once you hear it. All right Um what I want to do now I want to read to you because I believe this sister nailed it in her open letter Sister Julie Roy's wrote a letter the open letter to John MacArthur Of course, he didn't he didn't care to read it And and you know, why would he write? me because you know She's just attacking him and trying to destroy him as so many of his single fans said but she wrote an open letter October 3rd of 2022 and um She said Let me read it here. Let me pull it up here It is October October 3rd 2022. I want to read it in its entirety because this is this is so good It needs to be read in its entirety. So let's go Dear John MacArthur I recently read your open letter to california governor Gavin Newsom excoriating him for his upside-down morality and failure to protect their vulnerable the vulnerable I resonate with much of what you wrote As you rightly state scripture teaches the chief duty Of civic leaders is to reward those who do well and punish evildoers And I agree that governor Newsom has not only failed in this regard But has routinely turned this duty on his head rewarding evildoers and punishing the righteous I also share your outrage That Newsom twisted the words of jesus from mark 12 31 in a campaign to support to support abortion Civic leaders Should be protecting the unborn but Newsom has promoted their slaughter and blaspheme god in the process So notice she gives him credible creditors do right? Yet I am stunned to read these words from you Someone who has likewise failed to protect the most vulnerable and has instead protected those who have harmed them And you are not a civic leader. You are a pastor and biblically held to a higher standard You sided with the with with child a David gray when his wife brought allegations against him And even after gray was convicted of saing his children Your church supported his in prison ministry an endorsement reportedly by you Appeared in gray's newsletter in 2012, which you have never refuted meanwhile You punished you punished gray's wife eileen Excommunicating and publicly shaming her for refusing your unholy pressure to allow david back into the family's home Many have sought to defend you saying you were ignorant Of david gray's a but that seems impossible david gray confessed He a his kids in counseling with kerry hardy an elder at grace community church prior to eileen's 2002 x communication gray even handed hardy a handwritten list of sins and during counseling and admitted He used a belt and rod way too harshly brutally on a child Tied up and locked up the child and was not always adequately dressed in the child's presence All y'all have to do is read this report. That's that's in detail how perverted And wicked this man was toward his children Plus hearty confirms in a declaration given to the Los angeles court that the church knew about Eileen's allegations of a and the restraining order she obtained for her and her children's protection Yet you and the other gcc elders urge eileen on multiple letters in multiple letters to remove the restraining order And hearty told eileen in counseling to submit to david gray Even in spite of his admitted a of her and their children according to a court declaration supplied by an outside pastor What you did to eileen gray and her children was despicable And yet you have not repented of any of it nor apologize to eileen for the irreparable harm you caused her and her family How can you possibly stand in judgment of gavin nuesome or anyone else? For a war on children when you punished a mother for refusing to allow a a back into her home There may be a war on children being perpetrated by those outside the church But there's also a war being perpetrated by those inside the church and sadly you have enabled it Before pointing a finger at others you would do well to examine yourself as roman two states As romans two states you have no excuse to pass judgment on someone else For at whatever point you judge another you are condemning yourself because you pass you because you who pass judgment Do the same things but there there's more than the david gray debacle You similarly covered for paul quay another p According to eyewitnesses you confess he quay confessed to you that he had s8 his own daughter wendy quay I published documents supporting this allegation Including a handwritten letter by you to wendy in which you state that you and paul quay quote talked at length about the situation in quote You urge wendy to forgive her father and you confirm that paul quay will remain quote a faithful part of our staff in quote And there's the handwritten letter. There's macArthur signature. We all know that signature from anywhere august 29th 1979 was For three years after his reported confession paul quay remain a pastor at gcc and decades later when wendy asked You for help exposing her father to the church. He was pastoring you responded in an email quote I'm not sure why all this has become an obsession for you after so many years But neither myself nor anyone at grace can do anything more than encourage you that we have that we conducted ourselves with biblical integrity As a shepherd your job was to protect the sheep But you allowed a wolf into the pen and ignored the bleeding of the most vulnerable your cruel and dismissive response devastated wendy quay and permitted her pedophile Her blank father to continue pastoring for another nine years paul quay's search was failed to remove quay after wendy and other other victims reported his a since Has since repented of their their abysmal response But you have failed to even acknowledge the part you played let alone repent What's worse you claimed you were being persecuted and had the gall to suggest god would judge your accusers Never take your own revenge beloved. You stated from your bully pulpit shortly after I published wendy's story Believe room for the wrath of god for it is written vengeance is mine. I will repay says the lord John McArthur, you have publicly called Gavin Newsom to repent But you've seemingly ignored a long list of your own transgressions Besides how you treated eileen gray and wendy quay you have defended slavery stating that quote It is a little strange that we have such an aversion to slavery and quote And adding that Working for a gentle caring loving master was the best of all possible worlds if you had the right master Everything was taken care of Told but told beth more to go home such condescending behavior toward another person is never justified regardless of theological differences Inflated your credentials. You do not have a you do not have an earned doctorate So using this title on a ministry website is deceptive Embellished the story about your involvement with black leaders when martin luther king jr. Was assassinated There are key differences between the story you've repeatedly told and the story told by eyewitnesses This isn't misremembering. It's misrepresenting Enriched yourself with ministry dollars. You took at least three ministry salaries from 2005 and 2015 I don't know how much you earned for pastor and gcc during that time But I know that in addition to your church salary you earned 3.2 million during those years Now your ministries keep all your salaries secret if your salaries are justified Then why not fully disclose them? Remember y'all proverbs 28 one Accused me of publishing falsehoods about the december 2020 covid outbreak at gcc When you were the one who failed to reveal the truth and warn your congregation My reporting was accurate congregants died and you were absent from your pulpit during that time because you had covid not merely because you needed rest In addition to all these transgressions of your own you've overlooked and tacitly supported the bullying behavior of gcc elder and grace to you executive director field johnson His twitter account is a steady stream of insults and condescension that in no way reflects the fruit of the spirit But his decision last year to dox me and then defend his behavior truly crossed the line Yet you said nothing You are also platforming john street head of the graduate counseling program at the masses university who instructs student Excuse me who instructs christian wives to endure abuse by their husbands As a missionary endures persecution Because of this teaching countless women and children have been put in harm's way yet the teaching remains online Even after i and others called it out You wrote to gavin anusum that his soul lives engrave in eternal peril engrave eternal peril But have you considered the peril facing yours? You too have allowed the people entrusted to your care to be harmed and you too will give an account to god John macArthur you have preached the word of god and for that you should be you should be commended Yet scripture says that even if we speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not loved We are a ringing gong or a clanging symbol similarly Jesus warned that in heaven many will say to me lord lord Did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do mighty many mighty works in your name? And i was declared to them. I never knew you depart from me you evildoers I do not presume to know the condition of your soul But I do know that you have grievously wrong people and have grown I have and have grown to care. I have grown to care for deeply and I pray for your sake And for the sake of many wounded souls I have interviewed That you change course and make things right May god have mercy On all of us for his glory julie royers One of the real whole thing of this entirety because I believe it deserved to be read in its entirety, but i'm not done I'm not done I'm almost there. I'm turning the corner by the pull down the street and pulling my driveway And i'm gonna chuck you out of there. So let y'all make it After I drop this There's two things I want to address Near the end of this at the end of this live. There's two things I want to address here number one If you were here yesterday the last live that I did I read I let you listen to john mccarthers Q&A When he was asked back in 1980 yes 43 years ago. Yes 43 years ago. I'm going somewhere with this Regarding christians taking the mark of the beast Or people taking the mark of the beast could they be saved and remember Just yesterday I played that audio Gave my reasons on why john mccarthers was wrong uh Responded to collin millers defense of john mccarthers statement about the mark of the beast not being Uh god's final judgment on anyone who takes it that they would go to hell But for the sake of review, I'm going to play it again because I want you to hear it And once I let you hear it I'm going to respond To alan h allen h was a viewer who was excusing Uh john mccarthers teaching and saying no no no john mccarthers not really wrong. You have to have both Worship of the image and take the mark. That's what he that's what his position was and he was defending john mccarthers And saying that my position was wrong. Well Just stand to stand by stay tuned. I'm going to deal with both, but let's listen to the audio Is in regard to the about a half of the tribulation period when when men would be required to Have the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell My question is uh once a person takes the mark. Is there any possibility of him coming to christ? Yes, uh I think you know in the seven-year tribulation coming in the future We're going to get into this so probably a week from sunday night. Maybe this sunday night. Maybe a week. I'm not sure but um The tribulation is a seven-year period right the rapture the church seven-year tribulation then christ returns sets up his kingdom Now in that seven-year period really two things happen god begins to judge the world With a series of holocausts and at the same time he begins to redeem his people israel and in the process of this The antichrist establishes his rule and in order to function in the economy of the antichrist You have to take the mark of the beast now the question is if you're living in the tribulation period And you take this mark in other words you identify with the beast's empire Will you still be able to be redeemed? And I think the answer to that is yes Yes, otherwise there would be no Salvation of anybody in the end of the tribulation So I don't think the fact that someone takes that is a sentence to it to permanency Any more than you being a part of this world system once in your life means you have to be a part of the system all your life So y'all heard that right? Okay. So I want to make sure we we got the context of that. Well, let's go right into the text I'ma start at verse one and revelation 13 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea Having ten horns and seven heads and on his horns were ten diadems and on his heads were blasphemous names And the beast which I saw was like a leopard and his feet were like those of a bear And his mouth like the mouth of a lion and the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority I saw one of the heads of it as it had been slain and his fatal wound was healed And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast They worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast And they worshiped the beast saying who was like the beast and who was able to wage war with him There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies and authority To act for 42 months Was given to him and he opened his mouth And blasphemies against god to blaspheme his name and his tabernacle. That is those who dwell in heaven And it was given to him to make war with the saints Do y'all see this To make war with the saints and to overcome them and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him All who dwell on the earth will worship him Everyone notice everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world and the book of life Of the lamb who has been slain If anyone has an ear let him hear. So do we see those who are going to be doing the worshiping of this beast? Let's go back again Verse seven and it was given to him to make war with the saints They're going to be tribulations saints that are going to be left here The church is gone It was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation Was given to him All who dwell on the earth will worship him whose name Whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world and the book of life of the lamb Who was slain and other words those who's who god has elected and chosen whose names have been sealed And whose names is written in the book of life. They won't take the mark of the beast No worship the image, but let's continue If anyone has an ear let him hear verse 10 If anyone is destined for captivity to captivity He goes if anyone kills with the sword with the sword He must be killed here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints not of those who take the mark Oh who worship the beast Now let's say verse 11 Because john unpacks it further All i'm doing is reading the text Then I saw another beast Coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast whose fatal wound was healed He performs great signs so that he even makes fire come down from out of heaven to the earth and the presence of men And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which Which it was given him to perform and the presence of the beast Telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image To the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life Notice is those who are deceived is those whose names who are not who have not been written in the book of life Are doing this are y'all following me verse 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast So that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed Wait a minute. So are you going to have people Whose names have not been written in the lamb's book of life to worship the beast and to take the mark But you're going to have those who don't worship the image of the beast tribulation saints It's in the text now making this up look again verse 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast Would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed and verse 16 He causes all the small and the great the rich and the poor and the free And the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead Who are these people? Who are these people those whose names are not written in the book of life? And those who are deceived and they're going to be multitudes of them Multitudes of them. I'm not making this up, right? I'm just reading the text, right? Everybody tracking with me verse 17 Here it is and So Look at what he says in verse 16 He causes all the small and the great and the rich and the poor and the freed man And the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead And that no one will be able to buy or sell Except the one who has the mark The name of the beast or the number of his name Here is wisdom let he or let him excuse me who has understanding calculate the number of the beast For the number is that of a man and his number is six hundred and sixty six Now for those of you Who are still defending macArthur remember I asked the question Which macArthur are you defending? Are you defending the macArthur of of uh of uh, 1980? Who says that if you take the mark you still go to heaven because after all if if if not Then nobody could be saved and how can anybody be saved and how can anybody go to heaven if if god kills him off for taking the mark? Or are you going to hold to the macArthur of 2000? Who said that no you can't take the mark and and and be saved Or are you going to hold to what allen h said yesterday? Well, no you have to have both Well, let's let the man himself speak for himself. Okay This is macArthur's commentary Shout out to david to david milligan What up though shout out to david milligan appreciate your chief This is the commentary from from revelation the macArthur commentary the macArthur commentary Let's see what let's see what what what j max says because if he says it we gotta hold to what he says here and In 2000 because this is his commentary He didn't have a commentary in 1980, but he had a commentary in in 2000 and we're gonna go with this one We're gonna go with this one right here he comments Regarding revelation chapter 13 He says quote after his immense worldwide success And after dropping his facade of gentleness talking about the beast and the false prophet Particularly the false prophet the false prophet would cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed As in the case of nebuchadnezzar's image The death sentence will be decreed for those who refuse to worship the image of antichrist Many of the martyrs mentioned earlier in revelation are those who will be killed during this terrible time of persecution But though The death sentence may be decreed on all listen Not all believers will be killed some will survive until christ returns and will enter his millennial kingdom as living people Nor will antichrist and his henchmen kill all the jews Two-thirds of them were perished, but the rest will be protected As part of his plan to enforce the worship of antichrist The false prophet would require all categories of unbelievers Summarize as the small and the great and the rich and the poor and the free men and the slaves to be given A mark on their right hand or on their forehead Mark Was the term for images or names? Of the emperor on roman coins in the ancient world Such marks tattoos or brands were commonly given to slaves Soldiers and devotees of religious cults God sealed with a mark On the forehead the 144,000 To preserve them from his wrath against the unbelieving world The false prophet marks the unsaved to preserve them from Antichrist's wrath against god's people The mark will signify that the person bearing it is a worshiper You hear that alan h is a worshiper and loyal follower of antichrist In much the same way the roman emperors required their subjects to prove their loyalty by offering sacrifices to caesar Those who refuse like those who refuse to take the antichrist mark were subject to execution Besides the constant threat of death Refusing to take the mark of the beast will have dire practical consequences in daily living No one will be able to buy or sell Except the one who has the mark Oh, I wish alan was here I wish alan was here Because this is the this is the this is the macArthur That i'm reading i'm reading at the 2000 macArthur the 1980 macArthur must have changed his position So we're gonna go with the with this one right here Antichrist empire will maintain strict economic control over the world food clothing medical supplies and the other necessities of life Potentially in demand of in the devastated earth, which has felt the judgment of god Will be unobtainable For those without the mark Currency will probably vanish to be replaced by controlled credit instead of a credit card which can be lost People will have a mark possibly a barcode in their forehead or hand Scanning people's foreheads or hands would identify them to a central computer center Central computer system life under totalitarian governments in our time Provides a faint glimpse of what is to come um, y'all still there Are y'all still there? I just want to make sure we're still here. Y'all y'all still rocking with your brother I know it's getting late Yeah, I just want to make sure y'all here Are we are we good? I'm about to I'm about to pull in my driveway I'm about to pull in my driveway And I'm gonna let y'all go Just check this one off Check that one off Check this one off Check that one off. Check this one off. Check that one off. Oh, what do we have here one more clip One more clip. Yeah one more clip. Um, okay Here we go. So Am I am I crazy am I tripping am I wrong and and holding MacArthur accountable for what he said? Because it seems to me, um Collin Miller Uh, John Harris and everybody else defending MacArthur making excuses for MacArthur regarding the mark of the beast thing You haven't done your homework, sir You haven't done your homework, ma'am. You're miscalculating. You're misjudging. You're missing the mark Because you're defending something that MacArthur is not even defending in his own writings Hello So so so who are you caping for? Because he's stepping back and looking at y'all like I don't remember saying that Well, wait, wait, but you you said it in the q&a. Yeah, but but my commentary says this If you take the mark it's a form of allegiance. You take the mark as a form of worship. That's Period. I mean can't can get past that right? So so Y'all about the fall of your chair That's all I'm gonna tell you y'all y'all y'all y'all y'all y'all y'all gonna fall out your chair But I gotta take you back real quick. I got taken to yesterday's live and and and help you and remind you of something that um Jay max said to Ben Shapiro and I slowed it down I chopped and screwed it like DJ screw I did I did I did because I wanted to make sure that you heard it I want to make sure that you heard it I want to make sure to show this this later blow by you, you know John McArthur was interviewed by Ben Shapiro a couple years ago And y'all remember the conversation John McArthur said this This is why it's so interesting because when I when I read the New Testament myself and I Obviously, I'm not a believer in the divinity of jesus. Obviously not a believer in the divinity of jesus When you asked me to show the the variation Between judaism and christian morally. No, there's none and in terms of god The same we don't have the same god as muslims. Allah is not the same god as jahovah We don't have the same gods as any other false religion But we have the same god as jews and christians. We have the same god as jews and christians Dear, I don't know if they're ready for this. I don't know if they're ready for this I don't know if they're ready for this. Dear, you think they're ready for it You you think they're ready for it, dear If you if you think they're ready for i'll let i'll let i'll let them have it Shout out shout out to my girl Shout out to my girl dead women painted nails shout out to my sister dead women painted nails I know you're watching shout out to you salute Shout out to my brother david milligan again salute Shout out to y'all give y'all y'all flowers now Top side you hear me Y'all ain't ready for it But you coming over here I gotta give it to you because you can't say you ain't been told after you've been told What i'm telling you you know what i'm saying so Here we go All right, y'all want it y'all ready Here we go we're gonna ask ben Shapiro about jesus to listen to this jewish point of view Or we don't believe in the divinity of christ I think that they very can make an argument that the the gospels which were written he was just a prophet and No, no, no, we don't even believe he's a prophet. What do you think he was? What do you guys I mean what I what I think he was historically I think he was a jew who tried to lead a revolt against the romans and got killed for his trouble just like a lot This is one of the worst takes the bible says in john one one jesus is god John 141 says he's the messiah first timothy 2 5 says he's the savior john one one also says he's the word of god John 6 35 says he's the bread of life john 8 12 says he's the light of the world john 10 11 says He's the good shepherd john 14 6 says he's the way the truth and the life john 11 25 Says he's the resurrection in the life and revelation 1916 says jesus is the king of kings and the lord of lords This is a terrible take by ben Shapiro who denies the divinity of jesus jesus is god Do y'all know who that is? that's correcting a man Who denies our lord? That's isaas saldivar That's isaas saldivar isaas saldivar Who? Cory minor and rightly so has exposed This man has enough sense to know who jesus is but john macarthur who's been who's been following and walking with the lord Does not know and have enough sense to know that ben Shapiro is not following the biblical jesus because he denies who jesus is in his divinity And you affirm him and say that he and christians both They they both your words. We both have the same god. No, we do not pass the macarthur. No, we do not sir And it's sad when a heretic exposes An unbeliever and says that your understanding of who god is and your view of who you say jesus is not Does not line up and does not square with descriptions I gotta play that one again You can ask ben Shapiro about jesus listen to this jewish point of view or we don't believe in the divinity of christ I think that they very can make an argument that the the gospels which were written. He was just a prophet and No, no, no, we don't even believe he's a prophet. What do you think he was? What do you guys I mean, I what I I think he was historically I think he was a jew who tried to lead a revolt against the romans and got killed for his trouble just like a lot This is one of the worst takes the bible says in john 1 1 jesus is god John 141 says he's the messiah first timothy 2 5 says he's the savior John 1 1 also says he's the word of god john 6 35 says he's the bread of life john 8 12 says he's the light of the world John 10 11 says he's the good shepherd john 14 6 says he's the way the truth and the life john 11 25 Says he's the resurrection in the life and revelation 1916 says jesus is the king of kings and the lord of lords This is a terrible take by ben Shapiro who denies the divinity of jesus. Jesus is god Yes, jesus is god and i have to agree with isael sandoval south of our before i would agree with jama garter. That's sad That's sad, but this man says it right there What do you do with that? What can you say to this? I have nothing else to say. I don't other than this