 We were basically going back to the history of our members who were harassed or under the hands of the Zamba Police Service. And you were saying we would want to slide back to those dark days of seeing members being harassed. And our standing order is equal to provide for privileges of members of parliament. And one of the privileges is such that a member must not be in any way prevented from performing his duties without the consent of the speaker. So now the contradictions, the one of the Ministers of Local Government was giving assurances that no one should be harassed. The Minister of Home Affairs also comes with his own contradictory position. I must make it very clear that members are not demanding for any unit which they don't have. Members like other citizens are subjective to the same laws that other citizens are subjective to. And so it's not the question of members avoiding to be arrested if they breach the law. But the manner in which members are treated is what is being contested. Here we go to honourable members. Some honourable members and have been Ministers by entitlement to go and get those gunshots when someone has died. It's a short respect that someone has earned for saving the nation. So why should that same respect be accorded to these citizens when they are still alive? So all the members are demanding for is to be treated as leaders who are well known. They are only about 155. And we are not just saying opposition members. It's members of parliament across board. So the issue of abducting members like a common criminal does not make sense at all and that's what the report was condemning. So honourable members should not justify wrongdoing because we all remember the complaints they had as opposition. They are in government today. They are not going to be in government forever. So the same police service which was there when MMD was in government, when PF was in government is the same Sandra Police Service. So we must encourage them to do their work professionally. What's wrong with saving a member of parliament so that the speaker who assigns members to duties is able to plan that a member is all going to be available at this point of time, point in time because of the police wanting to interact with the honourable member of parliament. So the members are not asking for special rights that they don't have but they do have privileges that they end when they are elected by the fellow citizens. So to see wanting to justify wrongdoing is wrong in itself and we expect the Minnesota Home Affairs to be above board being a lawyer himself and knowing that today's minister like ours tomorrow there will be someone else and so two hours of duty begin and end. Lastly, we just want to comment on the court ruling that came out of the constitutional court. You saw the constant judgement which the attorney general entered into with the 35 police officers who were removed from the police service and removed from the payroll before they could get their entitlement. We want them that they are breaching the constitution even then. All of you have seen that constant judgement. It's now cause for government to reinstate those police officers on the payroll and pay them their areas with interest. So government is now made to start paying interest which they shouldn't have been paying. It's a waste of resources. Dr. Peter Machungwa, you yourself have decided to be relegated from former minister of home affairs to go and be chairman of the police service commission. If it was me, I would retire and go sit in Shuangan in the first place. Two, you should not politicize that institution. That's why we have always taken people that understand the police service in the past to chair that police service commission because they know their affairs of the police. How can you get the politician to be chairperson and you get someone to depitize him who has got the only qualification of being a former wife to a police officer? How does it work? Go and ask them if you think I'm lying. Dr. Peter Machungwa, a politician, former minister of home affairs has been accepted to be reduced to go and be chairperson of one that component of home affairs. So we are calling upon you to stop harassing members of the Zambia police. Those police officers joined the Zambia police when you met Dr. Peter Machungwa as minister of home affairs. How can they become cadders today? These are senior officers that have invested their time, their careers in serving the nation as police officers. It had to take the constitution court to interpolate the constitution that they were not supposed to be removed from the payroll before they got the entitlement. And we commend the act in general for not wasting court's time. But you go further and ensure that the system restores them before you get people ignoring that judgment. So I want to just end by encouraging the new inspector general of police. You heard the report which we tabled in parliament and which pointed to the frustrations of officers who feel that the command should not be taken from retirement. But you're already there. So what you need to do is to ensure that you motivate your officers. Hope with them. Let's not abuse officers who are professionals. Like I've said, tours of duty come and they go. I thank you. There is one element I think we should not go campion within the church on which would be so much of interest to you journalists. The issue of the cyber security pay off. Because if we are not careful, I think this is one bill which would make most of us being arrested because of maybe one or two issues. Let me once again ask the Honourable Kampion just to say one or two issues concerning the cyber security bill. I think Honourable, actually it's something that already our chapezole leader has spoken to. Yesterday you recall that we were adopting a report of our committee responsible for broadcasting and communication and they had a topic they covered which was the role of Zikta in preventing cyber crime. I must say that we are glad that the New Dawn Government has now appreciated the rationale behind the introduction of the cyber act of 2021. Cyber number two of 2021 because we in government did realize that there were a number of crimes that were emerging in the cyberspace. The only unfortunate part is the selective enforcement of that act which our colleagues have undertaken. Why do I say so? Just like I spoke yesterday in parliament is that there are certain crimes that they are ignoring and they are quick to act on certain crimes. And I cited examples even yesterday that if anyone of you calls me on my mobile line we have a discussion and without my consent you record me at that point you are breaching the law. You record me without my consent you are breaching the law. West Steel, if you circulate what I have discussed with you online without my consent it's also further breaking of the law. Now members of the public will recall that there were two senior government officials who recorded each other when they were discussing the legislation of certain political party, a female secretary and an advisor to the president and that discussion went viral. It's not like the way they are discussing our legislation you have never heard of anyone being called to police under the same law to go and get answerable. Recently you heard of a conversation between the head of state and the minister of a province discussing distribution of maize from FRAE. And it was an extensive discussion. As we speak today we have never heard of anyone being called by police to be accountable and in fact presidential discussions must be at the apex so if it can't concern you that the presidential discussion of distributing maize needs to be investigated you want to start a portion in Brem I don't know if you are saying it's appear that was in that discussion so we want to see the law enforcement agencies enforce that law on everyone because that's what the law is it shouldn't have a face. But lastly you have seen me as a whip standing next to Honubu MP for Chamara South Honubu Mungando To our members is just to assure you that the Honubu member is to a bona fide member of the party at front and the issues surrounding him are being handled administratively by the party and you must have heard that he has been written to by the party and as a law abiding member of the party we make him avail himself and deal with this matters administratively so for now we could have allowed him to say anything but until his issues are concluded by the party we allow him to have some privacy so just for you, even for you as members of the press because we have heard a lot of stories covered about him but he is still here and we are going to make sure that he responds to the issues that the party would want him to respond to and at an opportun time he will be allowed to share what he would love to share with the members of the party and the public so thank you very much once again and Honubu manjua woka Thank you once again chief At this moment I would like to call upon our leader of opposition to come and summarize the all issues which have been discussed and to wind up our interaction I call upon your leader of opposition Thank you, thank you, thank you Honubu I recognize the presence of the weeps members of the Central Committee Honorable members that have spoken before me members of the press Ladies and gentlemen I wish to thank you for your continued support This platform offers our people out there yet another opportunity to learn more about what is happening in parliament and also in the country generally you know that the procedures of parliament are governed by standing orders and sometimes we are unable to exhaust all the business on the floor of the house and we take advantage of this platform to be able to explain certain things and clarify a certain outstanding matters Now ladies and gentlemen countrymen and women today we have Honorable Charles Milupi joining the list of ministers against whom raise motions of censha we had a meeting with the weeps this morning we are basically finalizing assembling these motions to be presented before the floor of the house soon and the reason for moving a motion of censha against Honorable Charles Milupi because he came to the floor of the house and lied to the nation and indeed to the house that he had attended on the floor of the house a copy of the deposit slip of 65 million kwacha he went against the order of Madam Speaker who ordered him to bring a deposit slip he lied to the whole nation he came with a bundle of documents that did not contain a deposit slip as earlier required of him a very serious offence against our rules on the floor of the house I'm sure Comrade Charles Milupi in his limited wisdom he thought would not survey the documents that he tendered on the table but when pursuing this matter very seriously because it involves a lot of money we took a lot of interest and surveyed the documents and discovered that the deposit slip was not among the documents that he brought on the floor of the house so we have taken up this matter seriously and we want to censure him for lying on the floor of the house and lying to the many Zambians who were waiting to see that deposit slip Ladies and gentlemen countrymen and women that mysterious deposit slip eluded the auditor and everybody else including you know parliament that is the most expensive deposit slip Zambia has ever had it has just disappeared God knows where that deposit slip is as the auditor was explaining my dear friend the question here let's go to the original position the original position was that the auditor general said there is no money in Contro 99 that's all I'm an auditor myself in my auditor training so for me that's a starting point before we even go far the auditor general says the 65 million is not in Contro 99 and the minister has not responded to that query nobody has explained as to why the auditor general was unable to see the 65 million in that account and that's what the problem is so that deposit slip is not there as far as I'm concerned it's not there because that money was stolen for me I will not wait we can't wait there is nothing to wait for look the auditor general had interaction with the audit client for some time they were unable to see the 65 million they were unable to see the deposit slip he raised a management later the minister has had an opportunity to come to the floor of the house on two occasions and that deposit slip is not there and we want us to still wait for him to come back to the floor of the house giving him an opportunity now to come with that document that I want to speculate on the honorable member talk about matero I don't know what is in matero in relation to the deposit slip certainly we brought on the floor of the house we don't want to think about matero we don't want any documents of matero to be tendered on the floor of the house so for me I'm saying countrymen and women what is clear is that that 65 million was stolen what we're supposed to be talking about now is that let the law enforcement agency swing into action and bring to book the criminals that took advantage of that money also release Imanu Muamba release Zumani release Andy and Thompson those are innocent what zambians want is to see who took advantage of that 65 million the stories about money going to students those are stories we understand the procedures through which approvals are done we sit in that house we never saw that request so countrymen and women we are dealing with a government that is not that is dishonest and remember that I want to take my heart off to come read Stumbekom Sokotwane he's an honorable gentleman there's a reason why he didn't come to stand by this particular defense and defend this position Honorable Sokotwane took leave conveniently because he wanted to preserve his integrity Komred Musokotwane we all know him he's a gentleman with impeccable repute and to be forced to come and defend the position like that he said no let me take leave let somebody else do it so we all know the embarrassment that Komred Musokotwane has saved himself from could you imagine that the finance minister now negotiating debt restructuring negotiating with the IMF he simply removed himself from there he said look I've got a much bigger assignment to try and save Zambia restructure Zambia's debt and save the many lives from dying out of shortage of drugs and many other things so please excuse me let somebody else do it Komred Musokotwane on that point alone I wish to salute you you're a gentleman you did the right thing you left it up to others who could take such careless risks to come and destroy their reputations on the floor of the house by bringing questionable documents Komred Musokotwane continue on that trajectory there may be a gleam of hope that we may have one or two honest people in the UPND maybe one or two Komred Musokotwane may just be one of them because the rest of them have got questionable reputations as it was and the reason why Komred Musokotwane was not the one to come and defend that very lousy position because that deposit slip is just not there the money was misused suddenly like I said last time in BEMBA we are the same kwa wushikumukotia fuile chimbichanyem fui from nowhere we have seen Tantame now everywhere in freedom way yes we are seeing people this Jito from nowhere Jito is liquid he appears at shopping malls just giving money careless to put money changers aren't you suspicious from where? leaders in the UPND are going to freedom way people lined up and this Tantame something they condemn and on the other side 65 million is missing so Zambia let's not be fooled that 65 million or has been stolen by criminals within the UPND government the criminals have taken advantage and stolen 65 million kwa wushikumukotia for me there is no deposit slip that anyone will bring on that floor of the house that I respect because they miss an opportunity on two occasions we didn't need a bunch of documents we only needed one page copy of a deposit slip that's all comrade Charles Milupi brought a bunch when the order by madam speaker was bring the dead deposit slip he brought a bunch and for any descending person we became suspicious why has he brought a bunch instead of one page we decided to look through he thought would not look through those documents we did and there is no deposit slip whatsoever so he lied to the the house he lied to the nation and asked for which reason we are going to move a motion of station so ladies and gentlemen this is very clear that we have a government a very dangerous a party in government that is ready is on a war path to plunder any resource that they find along the way a typical example is the 65 million kwa wushikumukotia they have gone all over confiscating confiscating impounding vehicles so that they take advantage of so the fight against corruption cannot be won when those that are fighting corruption are the corrupt themselves when you look at the document that brought to light the issue of the 65 million the same document talked about officers ending allowances that they did not work for now this is the same offence that the officers at the outer general's office were suspended for so we do not know why up to now there is no action against officers at the corruption commission who got allowances that they did not work for in terms of evidence whether the evidence was illegally obtained under the rules of evidence even illegally obtained evidence is evidence so we want an investigation and action to be taken against officers at the ACC who were busy ending allowances for doing no work because that's the same offence for which the officers at the auditor general's office were charged with now we have a situation now where because of that particular report officers at the auditor general's office have all been removed and sent all over the show different departments now what kind of government do we have we have a government that does not want to look at itself in the mirror because the picture is very ugly every reasonable government waits for an audit report to be able to understand and know how they are positioning themselves and how they are governing the country this particular government is dead scared to look at itself and that mirror is the audit report the FIC report is already out 6.1 billion worth of questionable transactions ladies and gentlemen you remember how president Haka in the Ichilema and his MPs would get excited in the past whenever the auditor the FIC report was out have you heard any of them talking about the FIC report countrymen and women 6.1 billion that has been planted according to FIC report and the president is quiet the president is saying that they are now in the champions league maybe yes because of the amounts that are being looted those amounts can only belong to the champions league the amounts that are being planted are colossal they can only belong to the champions league 6.1 billion so ladies and gentlemen we want to say that we have a corrupt government in place the issue of sincerely mine an operation sponsored by government officials within KCM is still going on and still outstanding there has been no response from government our members of parliament looking at illicit financial flows visited KCM and they found a mechanized syndicated mining operation within KCM people at KCM have been asked not to question that operation when you ask about that operation you are labeled PF fired and transferred so we are dealing with a government that is there to oppress citizens citizens should not question and today you want to promise the people that you will restructure the mining sector they won't do it why because the criminals in UPND who are benefitting from sincerely mining operation would like that operation to continue so they can continue collecting the money that's what it is so ladies and gentlemen when you are talking about corruption you are talking about the UPND grand corruption I remember one opposition leader it must have been Dr. Fred Membe talking about other governments may have been stealing petigas now we have a government that is full of grand corruption these are just a few examples that we are giving for me and for us and my colleagues members of parliament we became very suspicious when they began to disturb the office of the auditor general because the office of the auditor general is an office created by the constitution this is an office that is created to ensure that constitutional safeguards are not undermined the moment you undermine that office you begin to allow a constitutional safeguards to be undermined so that office plays a central role to constitutionalism and how a government must obey and respect constitutional provisions so this is the government that we have been placed to that the other point that Honourable champion Gautach Stone is what Honourable Jack Mwimbo has been trying to justify the truth of the matter is that we know we are not above the law but as members of parliament we enjoy certain privileges we believe that if a member has been found with some questions to answer they simply should be given a call out to appear before the police now because there are no offences that these people are committing it's pure persecution now our fear is police action is going to cause a very big problem not too long from now what happened to Comrade Mwimbo residents of that area began to react they were now shouting slogans we want change they can't take that anymore so it's a warning to the IG that you should not necessarily conduct yourselves to bring about breach of peace the people losing patience people reacted that is the truth if the police were conducting the activities in a professional manner why did the police go back and confiscate phones of all those innocent citizens that were taking videos where that transpired why did they confiscate those phones that was an admittance that indeed they had done something wrong which they didn't want the general public to see so we expect the general police you have talked about sending the police for training my position is let's start with the top command the top command need to be trained I think there's a lot of kadas that have come into the police service and they think it's a police force where they've got to use brutal force to arrest people or bring people to the police so conduct that training we have a professional police service it's no longer a police force many of the people that have been called from retirement still have that mentality of the police force they may need to be brought in line to understand that it's a police service they are supposed to offer a service to the people not what we are seeing now now lastly I want to talk about Komore Dimano Mwamba young Andy and young Thompson they are being punished for allegedly circulating a document which the government itself say it was a fake document now ladies and gentlemen look at the weightage they are attaching to this fake document who bothers so much about a fake document how much effort or energy do you want to expand on a fake document wouldn't you rather just ignore it as a fake document to make a statement and tell about it ignore it so the position where we stand now we are now beginning to doubt whether or not those are fake documents maybe the church needs to go back to those documents and read the contents of those documents they may not be fake documents after all the police as it is now are constructively authenticating those documents I am now persuaded to think those are not fake documents looking at the reaction this reaction from the police is just a fear that they have about a possible reaction from the church because the church has now become aware of what their evil intentions are I doubt whether those are fake documents because the police themselves are authenticating those documents we didn't bother the moment the government said they were fake we forgot about them we are now forced to look for those documents and just trying to understand what is those documents maybe the church should also look at those documents they may not be fake after all otherwise the police would not have paid so much attention to those documents Honourable Mwamba is in there the police know very well that he did not author those documents those documents on social media they were posted on whatever blog that was attached to Honourable Mwamba but my point is if you look at the force if you look at the attention the energy the weight that is being attached to those documents they may not be fake after all and if they are not fake it is very very unfortunate that the government can have such evil plans against the church we are now forced to talk about the substance because the government itself is giving weight to those documents I had occasion to read those documents it is very very unfortunate and if at all that is what they are planning to do then we have a very big problem with this government the church has a big problem with this government so ladies and gentlemen I just thought we could comment on some of these things that are very topical but remember that members of parliament have voted for to represent you ministers are expected to be professional and ethical in the manner that they conduct business especially on the floor of the house when ministers begin to lie kumred muto apiri lied that there was enough maize when there wasn't kumred syuviyama said well lied when she said there was a sufficient drug when there wasn't now kumred milupi brought a deposit slip when it did not so these are the three cases that we want you to look out for we are assembling motions of censure so that these ministers can now be brought to both ladies and gentlemen with those few remarks I would like to thank you oh yes yes as kumred shisanga area commented I think the confusion around the vice president's office is on account of the fact that this government is very shy to announce that the president has gone out of the country and that the vice president has provided for by the constitution is now acting president I don't know why this should be very easy to simply say the president has travelled out vice president mutayan alumango is now acting president I don't know why it should not be difficult that is the reason why citizens are not speculating you know I mean the vice president alumango was running me to president Nakaende Ichilema and that's how he won you know the reason why we respect her as leader of government business is because she was voted for together with the president nobody should really get the position of the vice president and feel that maybe you can just ignore her and really get her she was voted for at the same time with president Nakaende Ichilema because you are the vice president in the name of mutayan alumango who should act as president whenever he steps out and there must be a statement made to say the acting president now is madam mutayan alumango nobody should speculate who is president or whether she has resigned or not so to want to really get the position of government we are members of parliament we are the constitution the fact that we are in the opposition does not mean we should support the wrongdoing by the government trying to really get the position of the vice president she remains vice president she remains acting president whenever the president is out so what's so difficult about that so please let's call the respect to the vice president and I'm happy that Honorable Jack Mwimbu as acting leader of government business clarified that she hasn't resigned the regulations are generated by the way government is acting whenever it comes to dealing with matters around in the vice president she was voted for like president Nakaende Ichilema was and that's how he won because he had that vice president as a running man so the president is out there I think on a mission to try and broke a peace between Ukraine and Russia we will not want to say so much about it but we want to remind you that look at the difficult position president Nakaende Ichilema finds himself in he already took a position in that matter that he was supporting Ukraine can you imagine how difficult it is for him now even as he faces the other people because the position is gone so that's why we've said as a country there's a long tradition that we have kept our forefathers our leaders and so on president Khaunda was very strong at that because he would go and negotiate with Saddam Hussein he took a neutral position the entire world would wait for KK the Zambian president to go and intervene he would go personally and meet Saddam Hussein and be able to broke a peace so even as our president has accompanied other leaders from the region I know that he may be in a very uncomfortable position because of the earlier position that he took and like we've always said it's work in progress we hope that he has learnt a thing or two such that in future he will not be in a hurry to take a position because then he would find himself in a very uncomfortable position like he has found himself in now thank you ladies and gentlemen thank you so much to the media