 There we are live as a bird we're live as a bird and such a leg impromptu just yeah we're doing a knife up guys we're we are standing like a lemon Lee lemon sir that's a future armor reference that you're not gonna get cuz you guys don't watch good stuff correct we do not watch good stuff I watch Futurama when I'm high and it makes the experience so much funnier. That's your opinion Subjectively, it's your opinion that you're high Subjectively the best. It's your opinion that you have an opinion. What's the time for you? It is 428 a.m It is a time where you're not not supposed to be up as a human but fuck it What's the time for everyone? It's the time when Sargon streams is it Yeah, it depends on when his last bad stream was youth I Mean muting the opening 20 minutes. That was genuinely like I would have thought To get through to him, but I guess he had like all notifications off The thing is you know when you have like OBS, whatever you can you can see the little levels moving when you talk Like the audio as if the program is receiving, you know, I wonder if Even had that. Yeah Well guy Good news everyone probably uses X split. I think he does actually I'm not sure I remember mentioning that And I was just like isn't that split the one you have to pay for oh That's I mean, you know No saying it's you know better always an OBS, but I mean if you're gonna have to pay for it It's it's worse. That's like your opinion. I tried using that split once No expletives objectively worse. I tried using it once. It was a piece of shit. Oh, yes, it really has less letters Really hard to get off your computer to me per level Quality basis it is better Because it it is it is a better quality product with less letters This is true like for example, a new hope is better than last Jedi mainly because it's a show And downward thrust Wolf is really loud. Okay, I can sort that out. That's fine. It's actually I'm allowed to turn down my life. It's great that someone's too loud That's a great problem to have because it's always that everyone can turn you down Yeah, you can't turn me off people always tell you that your streams are too low because you're technologically illiterate They are so low. I don't know what technological is so I have to disagree It's the mission is that the technical hell or the literal hell or the biblical it's the it's the metaphorical hell I it's the figurative hell It's the mythicist hell. I saw one of the comments about that was just like when he says literal hell Is he referring to the Christian one or over all the other derivations of that? Yeah, because Yeah, because it's not real. So the literal like the literal It that means it could be literally figurative Yeah, and that's why it's Figuratively literal because it's a literal interpretation of something doesn't he didn't use the word biblical at one point. That was the interesting part I can't remember. I know that he said a lot of words Yes This is this is crazy for a lot of people considering the whole 4 30 a.m. Thing so any of my British fans will just be like Why why are you doing this? I'll be like, I don't even know what time it is here. See what time is for me It's 1032 pum 1132 for me boy 1132. It's not bad. Not bad Yeah, that's not terrible Why does it say I'm still playing killing floor? Because you're still playing killing floor. I'm not I'm trying to find. No, so I have the option to play it on steam even though It says I'm already playing it so Wags have you actually seen Black Panther? Bits and pieces. I've seen a lot of clips and stuff But no, I haven't I haven't sat down and watched the whole fucking thing from start to finish Oh bless your soul because everything everything that I've seen has been a lot of the arguments are concepts So you'll be able to just run with it as soon as you get the information. Oh good, but I like concepts You'll you'll enjoy these ones because they arguably get to the point of policy Or at least a lot of people seem to think it does because you know, I'm automatically like Crazy point of policy A lot of people extrapolate from my Black Panther video that I am Coming from a place of like well, it's that plus this element of like The the policy to try and overthrow your I don't even know man You know, I just find it funny that I looked through the comments and I could still find someone shitting on me there Oh, yeah, it's awesome. It's very strange That um, I mean you can't just make a review anymore Okay, you're a white guy and you said something to get racial Oh, you're right. Yeah, that I slant to it. If you said something mad about the black movie, then you're a bad person I mean, this is the thing like I'm okay. We've criticized my favorite. My favorite angle is like Fucked up guys, but anyway. Yeah, so help us I think with the conversations or something's definitely wrong for me dude. My my discord literally says I don't know I don't watch this yet. They would almost beat while you figure that out. I'll find one more Well, I'll pop ends in the chat Oh boy Hey, what's this? What's this peach Bowser thing that I keep seeing everywhere? What this peach Bowser with the black dress? Can you send me a picture? I don't know what you're talking about Yeah, let me I'm sure I can scroll around and find it, but I keep seeing a picture of Like peach and Bowser Kind of mixed together here Here in the discord stuff like that. Yes, I can. Oh, okay. I think think I'm back now I've not seen that but that's that's it's like a Bowser peach thingy That's fucking weird why why is this a thing? How is it chat is everything normal? I mean Christ's sake, I can't seem to have at least one stream without an internet fucker. Oh God bowser Bowser That's what people are saying in the chat. All right clearly the clearly the bastard love child of peach and Bowser Yeah, I apparently dropped frames, but now it's all good. It should be all good Just let me know if I start, you know flipping out or something But if we're all good are we good to go with this video? Is there anything else we want to say I'll do we need we need the Browns I need we do need the browns. I don't know if we also need a little take I'll take a single brown We can't have two brown that's good. That's true Fringy does have the funnier laugh because well then they start getting bold when I was gonna say if if Fringy's available I say chuck him on because he hasn't actually been on an e-fap before Well, hey, it means it's the experience I had a foursome, but Braggs didn't come on last time I wish I'd like a constantly updating internet connection thing. So I don't even know if I'm actually still connected or not It's frustrating. Okay, frustrating. Are you in Mueller or Mahler? Oh, I'm more. Oh But it says it says video output low YouTube is not receiving enough video to maintain smooth streaming. That's good It says you're live right now. I'm looking at the stream. It's a it lowered to a pretty incredibly fuzzy quality Hmm. Yeah, it looks like it's a looks like it's good to me Any word on on on Fringy, by the way I'll shoot him a message if rags hasn't already. I have not Wow Both useless. We're gonna have to keep everyone busy with hoping that my fucking stream You don't think this is stream health. It's like it read right now. I'm just like, oh Get it a health pack All right, I shot him a message. We'll see he's online. So we should take too long to reply. Oh He's tight. He's typing. Oh shit. It's even is he doing? He said yes. I will bring Bring him in. Go ahead Somebody can anyway Okay, we got our brown Can we I'm gonna tell blue green orange all our powers unite to create captain asshole earth water fire and air and heart Long ago the four nations lived together in harmony, but then the downward thrust attacks stream health is back to green High five guys. Hooray. You did it Fringy No He came he heard me princess peach and the comic that Bowser is from is Bowser taking the power up It is not apparently the bastard love child of one of peach and Bowser's many sexual What would you say I would you could say encounters though really I think I'm not gonna say rape because you don't you don't get captured that many times Before I think I think she knows what she's I think I think she knows what she's doing She's on board with the idea. She's on board. Oh, no, I'm rescued again She wants to see if she can take that giant turtle D. I'll bet she can out by now Everyone's saying oh, yeah, are we down this is it's kind of fix the stream. We'll keep talking about peach fucking Bowser. I Think at first he just like squeeze it in between her thighs, you know Maybe they're saying F orange. I don't know They're saying he's back. All right. They were saying F for Fringy. Oh, there you go They're saying F for fuck Bowser So Hey, Fringy, we're we're gonna be assaulting the idea that me and Malphite racist and we figured we needed someone to You know back up these claims You know it is interesting how there's a correlation between people I associate You're the problem Fringy, maybe you exude racism and we soak it up a big trick Yes, I mean I I do hate myself so that might explain Much like our white skin absorbs vitamin D. So too does it absorb all of the racism from around us? Yes We thought it was a little too pale in here So we needed to get a token brown for us to make sure that people couldn't accuse us of being racist and hey Fringy, have you seen Black Panther? I Think you have or you know what maybe It was forgettable so Yes, it was the way what we've got is oh wait, I'm gonna have to give a fuck. I only give you guys the link That's pretty retarded in there Can they see the whole thing no they can't ha you guys still can't get in here We're okay. I haven't given everyone the link to the watch together See you've learned from Rads's mistakes when he'll just display it openly, you know There was there used to be a time where I made that error And I have learned from those mistakes and now it doesn't happen because I have templates and Yeah, that's what you do that nature. Yeah, you put an overlay so that people can't see like like I have bookmarks Doesn't Covers up the that bar it zooms in. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah So I've only got one guy joined so far. So what's what's going on other two? Hmm? I know you're two. Where are you? Yeah, I'm the two other one. Oh Someone in the chat put down is Fringy a and then it's a black smiley face It's funny So yeah in in me and most videos we we were very critical of the black panther film which was Huge cultural boon to the black community for some reason But we didn't actually necessary. I mean, I'm not going to speak entirely for wealth I can't remember his video exactly, but like I made a point to not make it about race whatsoever I was like, that's kind of I think it's just smart not to do that because even if you make a joke people will assume that you're being racist I Made many a joke and I racism Yeah, I was telling Mahler like before I posted the video like I cut out like a good Minute and a half of from the beginning because I was like wait, maybe this is crossing a line Maybe I shouldn't yeah Sometimes just inviting controversy at that point. Yeah, I was perhaps it's had bit to against to the Browns And so So yeah, people keep spamming that black face in the chat I'm just a little fucking laughing every time I see it How long did we take to actually make our videos? I was like a week, right? Wasn't too long. I think I was probably like four days or something like that because It was quick is what I'm saying It's not like me and you well, I know that we were we released them at the exact same time, but I don't Yeah, yeah, that was it I think I took a few extra days to get mine ready and then we it was like a cross promotion thing So it's just a little bit of fun, but obviously that was the worst idea ever because it makes us the most horrible people Yeah, like so what I'm trying to say with this is that they probably will be things that me and Wolf may or may not Get wrong because of the fact that they are reactionary reviews. They don't get to That's my excuse. I'm just saying that that should explain it This guy's obviously had months now to have watched the film, right? So he's got no excuse and I mean look at this fancy disclaimer here, you know that this guy spent a long time on this I Mean, yeah, I was gonna say by the way, no no hate to this guy Of course just like every single person we ever cover But I'm curious about all the lore that's been written in like is like TLJ You know all right stuff that they write in around the movie since it They will Inference you have to make I already had that on a lot of the comments, but uh Yeah, like, you know, he's put he's even had access for all we know to like audio commentaries and interviews and stuff So it'll be the kind of thing where me Wolf did not have the benefit of that. We didn't get to do it all So I would But is that fair to pull from audio commentary where he might explain something that's not apparent in the film Oh, well, it would depend on context, obviously Well, I'm just thinking of I had a discussion about the the hyperspace thing for the last Jedi and people started citing the novelization of The novel that tries to fix the problems at the film. Well, that's that's exactly That's exactly. Isn't it though? It was written after the fact to try and fix it but yeah There's already comments in his video that we'll probably I'll probably like paste of my favorite one to rags So you can read it out at the end of the video, but like I'm being called a white supremacist, which is a really interesting For me that's a first Well, of course, they reference to me in the comments of that video So they already know two of us are friends and if you're friends with me, you know You're clearly not see it. And yeah So this is an opportunity for us to clear the record to take some criticism because you know me and Wolf may have Gotten things wrong. Not that this is about him Geez To to to dispel this idea that we want the white race to go over the world That's not really what we're about But you know, I can see how you make that mistake when I literally just talk about inconsistencies in a film script That's fair enough, isn't it? Make sure that you flag this video for criticizing you and then you can show up on the kill stream later and Why about it? As as this guy by the way, I've actually said I wouldn't I'd be up for speaking to him and he was like, oh, okay Cool, he's apparently making a part two as well. But uh may as well just see what part one has in store for us. Okay, so Here we go If everyone's ready, man, I was hoping for that one guy that creature as he called him to make his video on me Is he still not done that? No, I was really disappointed too. I wanted to cover that on the last podcast, but he hadn't made it yet. Damn We'll get there though. Well, come on creature disclaimer This YouTube series exists to fight the corner of movies not as a personal attack on the people criticizing them Please don't go and send hate to any of the people I personally Seeing this guy's videos popping up in my recommended a lot recently You should watch him more you might learn something formula when it comes to getting attention for his film criticisms releasing them before anyone else does I'm usually pretty late with the You realize that Mueller's been working on a 15 hour series on the course awakens a movie that came out three and a half years ago, right? I think it's two and a half 2015 right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I would have never raised that your secret is to get your stuff out first Besides even my rage videos. They're always like later than the majority of the initial Yeah, because a lot of people get the reviews before the film comes out, you know press you're not press So you don't get to do that I mean how we were just saying that I finished editing my review like two days before you did Yeah, and I had to delay Wolf because let me finish my But no, I'm early in relation to people who come out a year later. I suppose like but I'm not exactly really critic Yeah, you're your unbridled rage was on December 20th. Let me see when did you I want to see when our Videos on the last Jedi came out TLJ and bridal rage that came out So this is five days released That's oh well That's still late That's yeah, that's five days after the movie came out It's like was it maybe it was just good and this is funny You're uh, your last Jedi video came out two days after mine as well. Yeah Because it was once take longer to make than your average ones as well, so but I don't see how this statement makes sense You've made reviews weeks and months after the film's coming out. Well, this is Thing you say is wrong He's probably trying. He's just it's okay. We'll just let this one slide. It's fine And what it is what's interesting though is it's it's it's interesting that he Instantly goes to the reason that he's popular is because he releases his videos at a certain time Look at that either. I release my black panther one ten days after black panther came out. That's quite a while Yeah, that's more than a week. That's a week and a half He's using this as evidence that are really quick. That's interesting releasing them before anyone else does You're getting recommended and you're popular because of the timing of your videos He's not even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you make good content Let's see wonder like Chris Stockman post his review. Oh What do you know day or two days after the movie came out? Yeah Jeremy John's they're often reduced by embargoes. That's usually their problem that they can't release before an embargo Me and Wolf don't have that problem because we'll always never be early enough to actually hit a debargo Your movie sucks released it two days after you did for the last Jedi. I mean, I didn't even watch it Until like a day or two after it came out. I think Mauler watched it before I did But I was so surprised And then I decided to watch it after you told me how bad it was and then I was like The blossoming friendship Make sure we're clear on whatever reference he's having to cinema since you're hoping I hope he's not connecting me to them, please Let me just see what he says I'm just curious releasing them before anyone else does unlike the cinema here Let me let me let me go back. Let me scoot it back so we can get the thing here I was my birthday does unlike the cinema sins approach of going through the film nitpicking every tiny detail or the brook show approach of Racism more likes to system He's saying I'm not Excellent good good. Yeah, we're okay. We're all good Excellent excellent very good. We do try and get the context guys I know a lot of people hate that we skip over contests like I'm trying we got to get these statements one at a time Yeah Pointing at things that he considers to be genuine plot holes or at least things that don't seem like they've been that well thought through But speaking of things that don't seem like they've been that well thought through loads of these criticisms are fairly easy to explain if you Just think about them. So today you see Mauler Maybe if you just thought for once in your miserable life It's a strong claim. Maybe he's right. Maybe we didn't think about it. Okay, gosh guys You just assume you're so smart on your bunch of supremacists So black panther was too many asses well by critics and audiences are like critics seem to like it the most Yeah, I was gonna say like yeah, I know right. I'm not sure why he's bringing this up like yeah I I did as much as this film was politicized and people were attacked for not giving it good Scores. Yeah, I don't give a shit Realize this is the same movie that people gave shit for for getting a 99% Before it came out. Yeah, the guy who criticizes said it wasn't enough fight scenes or whatever people like how fucking dare you Yeah, the guy who ruined its 100 wrong actually like it doesn't have very good action I'm just gonna say that right now. Like I don't think it's very well choreographed Especially that final fight when they're in the train and it looks like a ps2 game That's installed in the ps2 means it's a class or his battlefront 2 was a fucking classic Well, no, I yeah, no exactly. It just it wasn't good It just didn't look that good considering how much money it cost to make You know like visuals very very subjective and stuff, but like, you know that awful ps2 CGI fight They have as the two black pads. Yeah, that's what I'm so terrible. It looks legitimately bad Those hideous those hideous rhinos, they put the large portion of that scene on YouTube It was like, oh don't do that, you know, it looks worse than the fights in the Sam Raimi spider-man movies You know where they had the falling shots like it looks very similar to that really was with Toby McGuire. Yeah Yeah, you know, I was about to mention that. Yeah, it does look worse than those old spider-man movies It does, you know, you look at the one with Doc Ock. It actually holds up really well There's a lot of comments about how they were they were rushed because they wanted to they needed to work on Infinity War Which I was like, oh, well that makes sense, but that doesn't make it better Don't rush your movies Yeah, especially when you've got finite studios that do VFX and aren't they talking about doing like X-Men stuff I guess so I guess so post phase 3 Fantastic, we're like CGI companies. They're just gonna be constantly doing Marvel films I feel like well next one next one, especially with the Cosmix. Well, I think it's just more the issue is that every film at this point Like basically any film with a budget in excess of 50 million dollars has VFX in a in some shape or form Yeah, even like the cars of VFX It's a shame too because Earlier on a few days ago I was with some people on my server and we watched No Country for Old Men and then I watched the The Witch and Both of those were all almost entirely practical effects and you look great and they were in both amazing movies Yeah, you don't need most of action we made when watching aliens like aliens looks pretty good Oh, yeah, man, I can't wait for the new X-Men movies I can't wait for Wolverine to be reprised by the legend himself Michael Sarah Come on, can you? We need a Michael Sarah Wolverine Professor X Imagine you get a message from yourself in five years from now saying Michael Sierra does reprise the Wolverine And it's incredibly like it's the best performance you've ever seen you just be like I think I'd lose my mind if that was the case Do you want to keep watching the video? Oh, of course. We'll see what point you was making about tomorrow. It's dead the wrong time So Black Panther was a movie received pretty well by critics and audiences Look at those screaming people Really? It's higher than the dark night. I mean, I loved it There's not a huge disconnect between audience and critic scores though But it seems all of these people have just been blind to the fact that in actuality the movie is a garbled mess That can happen. I mean, I'm not yeah I've been blind to how much a massive Yeah, I look at the reviews for Bioshock Infinite That's a good example. I'll be you know, I'm completely honest here I didn't quite see the the problems with Force Awakens until I started watching videos breaking it down. I was like, oh Dude, even I liked Black Panther a little bit, you know when I first saw it I kind of liked it at first, but then when I started thinking about it, you know Green Yeah, I Know what he's trying to imply. It's like me, you know me and Wolf or let's just say me being like I I can tell you the truth. You guys can't see but I don't think I ever say anything like that I mean, this is just an appealing to popularity Bullshit and I don't care if 97% of critics liked it Most critics don't know what the fuck they're talking about and the audience I mean Just because it's 79% doesn't mean it's a great movie Sorry The gray Wasn't very well liked when it came out and now it's got a pretty good cult following We actually got to talk about that on your podcast and we like Films that came out that did badly but have later done really well. So like Another example is predator predator wasn't well received when it came out Well, we mentioned the thing the thing did really badly when it came out, but it's like a lot of really good movies This is why the there's not much I've never really taken the aggregate review sites seriously It is interesting to be like oh by the way, this one got a hundred percent You'd be like, oh wow really why and then you find out why and you're like, oh I Then you never go back to the aggregate sites, but yes It's probably worth pointing out though that like rotten tomatoes is not a good It's like it's not about the actual score that it was assigned to how many were positive and negative Sorry, if anyone uses rotten tomatoes to site if a movie was good or not their opinion doesn't matter Well, if that's all they've got like yeah, their opinion doesn't matter Seriously, if you're citing this site this site that has the absolute most flawed reasoning for if a movie is good or not Then I'm sorry. You're dumb So the the tomato meter for the predators at thirty four percent Yeah, I think that's about where it should be good stuff Congratulations aggregate site, but uh, all right, it's higher than the none Let's let him get to an actual point instead of Shawshank redemption I didn't do well in the box office Our blade runner yeah, that's true There's not a huge disconnect between audience and critic scores though But it seems all of these people have just been blind to the fact that in actuality the movie is a garbled mess full of anger Inducing plot holes poorly executed writing and it isn't I mean as always if you dislike the movie your complaints about it should be Accurate, you know, I feel like that's a good thing to start for all right. Okay Let's get this over with you want to tell us that opens with a neat animation explaining the history of Wakanda The country that Black Panther protects So since this video was edited and released before the DVD release of Black Panther It's made up almost entirely of bootleg screen caps from cinema screenings of it Which is oh, I'm glad you were able to figure that out. Let's try to get the aspect ratio right on them though No, no, no, no, no the aspect ratio is the reason I zoom in on these things or you'll find I have little blocks For the predator one is because they have sights that are added advertised on it And I have no idea if they're harmful or not So I block them out and in the Black Panther one I just zoom in so I can avoid it and obviously yeah I'm trying to use as little screenshots as possible, but I usually do this if it's a visual aid So I can get you guys to understand what I'm talking about when I describe like they have this weird Opening cinematic. That's all done with sand like you remember that right guys like And they show a bunch of things and there's a couple of things they show that are relevant to some arguments, but yeah But have you considered instead of editing maybe talking about rotten tomatoes? I like how his first I like how he's uh, he goes with the whole um, maybe you should get things right and then his first Yeah, what's the point of this like ratio like how about you address the actual points? He makes rather than talk about something so fucking retarded and useless that it has no right or reason to be in this video It's an interesting point Yeah, especially if it's a weird basically matter image Like congratulations, you were able to point out that it's bootleg footage His points not even accurate because if you look at The predator versus predator the aspect ratios are different and that's just that's the native aspect ratios Dude, there aren't even films that have been released in cinemas where they flip between the aspect ratio during the film and stuff Oh transformers five Transformers five was a pretty egregious example. Oh, yeah, because it was like both it was shot with both iMacs and It was three different ones He literally pulled a tommy y zoe only tommy y zoe somehow made it more consistent And yeah, so I guess the point is like maybe there was a reason why the aspect ratio was fucked as opposed to me deciding to Deliberately change the like, you know, there's that's all but it's a strange thing to open with This is kind of funny considering the arpeggio argument Yeah, strange thing to open with Meteor hit the continent of Africa and said Meteor was made entirely from vibranium This pushed the people of Wakanda into the future far faster than any nation across the globe One tribe took over another four and they essentially blocked themselves from the world as an isolated nation Why the fuck would they stop at the arbitrary border of Wakanda back in the bloody stone age if they were advancing Immeasurably faster than any other nation across the world. How didn't they just naturally spill over Africa as a continent and potentially the world By nature of the tools they had the Wakandans are isolationists and this isn't ridiculous by any means Isolationist Why did they take over the other tribes if they were isolationists? Yeah, they're isolationists. They only conquered four nations I guess this isn't it like it either Wakandans all five tribes or was there a Wakandan tribe that took over the I can't remember if they're specific But the the the point would be that they chose to Uh combine the tribes into A singular thing as opposed to So they're not isolationists then If they were isolationists, I would have been a singular tribe And so it's very strange that you know in you know ancient Africa really an ancient you're ancient anywhere Where you had constant warfare and fighting and skirmishing and you know resource Competition and stuff that they would just say all right. This is enough It's sorry. Yeah, I mean there weren't there weren't really many isolationist read chats or just said isolationist yet They all speak english like I do want to mention one thing from someone in the chat. He said wolf is a hypocrite He'll make fun of videos. They're talking about for someone for having no hair or skim milk I don't just address the actual points either. Well, I don't preface it with saying Maybe you should have got everything right by the way, patrick williams change your hair This is that's what this guy did. Maybe you should have got everything right by the way We did cover this before there is a difference between an ad homonym and an insult Like if wolves just throwing out an insult, that's that's his own deal It's very clear that I wasn't talking about like I wasn't trying to say that patrick williams having a bad hairline makes his whole video bad That's not an actual point. I was making Um So a little bit of a difference And yeah, like this is going to be a topic So we may as well just talk about it now for the four of us perspectives on this But if you rewind to stonage times or Anywhere further between then and now and you have just an expanse of territory and you settle down with these five tribes It's like what stops them from expanding? Why would they put up an arbitrary wall instead of actually going? Hey, there's some more grass over there. Oh, there's I mean look at just human history in general Oh, yeah, maybe every human Maybe there's someone's over part of what condon lore for why they didn't do it Any other anything would have done ever well, I guess I mean the only reason you wouldn't is if you had so many natural resources that there was no need to but is that the case I had my brain in but what about Yes, but then it would be about culture and you know that kind of Trade routes and that sort of thing I guess it's just that you can't think in many examples of isolationist empires in the old days And by old days, I mean going back as far as you know 10,000 years they would have to even if a even if a place is Isolated geographically You know it still doesn't just stay there and they usually still trade with people, you know Like we generally still trade even if we don't expand Yeah, maybe if the movie exploit like gave a good reason for them being isolationists and I mean it's an important part of the Story them being isolationist is kind of the crux of the narrative So it does need to be explained and that's the thing is it's not a white versus black thing It is a human thing that you have a bunch of people in your populace and you go Oh, there's way more families now and we need more space for houses We're gonna have to expand down the lower reach and over Yeah, and I mean if this was if the meteor hit earth like that far back and they're like Oh, we have this huge tool that can make us, you know allow us to take over more tribes in more territory Why wouldn't they do that at that point? I mean, maybe you could make an argument if this was in modern day Or maybe even just like a hundred years ago I guess we're gonna consider wolf that uh, they have a system of trial by combat to determine leaders So what would stop a warmongering angry dude taking over one time throughout case and point is kill longer the first guy To be a warmonger in what kind of history. Yeah, that's both because if you become the leader through combat Then the person who becomes the leader and did so through combat Are you telling me that every single person who again? Became leader through bloody, you know combat. Are you saying he's an isolationist as well and we should just stay here and not expand That's they're all just really nice people in Wakanda They're certainly isolationists now when we catch up to them in the future But it's like at one point they weren't and then they became that and it's so arbitrary Well, you can tell that kill monger is the first warmonger because he's got monger in his name and he likes to kill people So he's he's obviously the first. Yeah, it's just like thank god everybody in Wakanda grew up and said Yeah, let's not go outside of Wakanda And then yeah, there's no one ever. I don't want to live. I want to explore the world I want to see the world. I want to you know, we actually know from the film that what's his It's it's the brother of tachaka who actually wants to get Wakanda going outside of the world. That's like the point So it begins Just like oh, so he's the first one then he in the entire thousand years history He's the first one. It's like come on This is this is the problem that this guy has already fallen into that every one of the people that defends shitty movies Like this always falls into is that they're writing the story for the writers And you can't you can't do that Like i'm sorry that the story sucks and you have to come up with ideas To try and refute our points It wouldn't even be that great if that was the case like if the story went and then they were isolationist forever Every single king that ever took over was all in agreement that they should never go outside the border of Wakanda If they just said that I would be like wow, they just couldn't be asked could they Just gave up With some excuse it doesn't even have to be a great one But just one at least don't just leave us and be like okay. Well, that doesn't make any sense Like even if your point didn't make sense. I mean at least you would try Might just be an instance of it being kind of a difficult concept to work with It's tough because if you have an established world and you just tell us by the way How would how would we reconcile Wakanda existing in our world? And you're like I guess they're isolationist and they had a big dome that protects them from being seen or heard And you're like, but why how would that have worked? How would that have happened? I mean somebody would have found them though There's lots of things that would have happened They would have been found because somebody in Wakanda would have fucked up at some point It's like a thousand years or two thousand years. I don't even know like it's It's ridiculous and it's really hard to believe and you can be like there's comic books And I'd be like, yeah, but there's some well-written comic stuff and some not so much Depends on what we got and obviously we're judging the film not the actual comic book So um, oh and so someone did point out that um, if we keep pausing we're gonna miss the point of the video We're taking it point by point. So I'm assuming the point of the video is to respond to me and then this made up of individual points We're responding to a response to Mahler's response to the movie Exactly that totally makes sense. But anyway also Mahler stop speaking in your british language because people are Having a problem with you you're pronouncing it Wakanda Wakanda I need to start speaking in my american accent because a lot of people are assuming because I'm british That I have this idea that we should colonize everything, which I don't That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Makes sense to me Maybe they'll say americans colonized everything too. I'll be like, what should we do? Well, uh, well, you can uh, You can do a german accent and really channel Fight it's a Wakanda's only stop at four countries They lack ambition So anyway Let's keep going isolationism is usually born out of the combination of xenophobia and pacifism or if not pacifism Xenophobia and pacifism. Okay, we'll go to xenophobia a second. I have to pacifism. Have you seen this film now? Pacifists they are they are very passive. They're pacifist by combat by combat. I'm like they're Their leader, you know, it's funny leader by combat, but they're pacifists Someone in the comments like made a snarky remark about you and me Mahler about how like we don't apparently watch the movie If this guy's calling these if this guy's calling Wakanda's pacifists Which one exactly is uh, that's not like black pentas job Is literally to go out into the world and fight shit. That's what he does I mean, did we forget the fact that like all the bald women are like some of the best fighters in the country No, no, no, you guys are misunderstanding what he's saying. It's pacifist as in he passes a fist across your face There are varying degrees of isolationism too because it could be argued that in the 19th century while the united states was isolated from europe They were still engaging with you know, mexico and the american tribes Like they weren't pacifists, but they were still arguably isolationist Yeah, and then as for xenophobia, uh afraid of other cultures. I don't think they were afraid I think they're protecting. I'm happy to admit that they were protecting vibranium as a resource and that they didn't want That was their main justification in the film that they didn't want the vibranium to get out and so the wrong hands Yeah, that's fine To explain why they would isolate themselves, but I could only believe them doing that much later I don't know why they would they would have control of basically africa is what I would expect Quick protect them aguffin pacifism any given motivation not to conquer and invade other nations will do the trick In wakata's case, they view the rest of the world's primitive savage and aggressive when they built themselves their own utopian society It's not it's not even utopian at all. It's not utopian They don't like their leader with trial by combat not just that you kind of fucking utopia is that it's a monarchy There's a literal the brother of the king tried to defect because of how much he He decided that the other the world outside needs help So like again, you're the problem rises that we've got an example of someone breaking from this idea that that they should remain Uh isolated, but that I also find it interesting that he's sort of they're pacifists, but they're not benevolent They apparently view Everybody outside is worse off and kind of doing it wrong So nobody at any point is thought actually, you know what? Maybe we should rule and then everything will be better I mean that was the motivation of the uncle kill manga was the fifth person who actually bought it. Yeah Someone in chat said a xenophobic utopia Yeah, that doesn't sound right Me where people are actually educated will be on the standards of anywhere else in the world Why do you so so was the british empire? What's your point? Yeah, a little bit, but the british empire was racist. They didn't have a super secret macguffin tech Yes, they did See so this point you had there's some stuff to hash out, right? But I can't wait for him to try and defend the science balls or whatever That's gonna be funny. I want to get this I want to kind of get this in one clip though because it's weird not to conquer and invade other nations We'll do the trick in Wakanda's case. They view the rest of the world as primitive savage and aggressive when they built themselves their own So it's the country that uses trial by combat. I was about to say they try it dude primitive and aggressive trial by combat Need I remind you about all the lip frisbees? This is I mean, I'm sorry. What who's the primitive one here the one who uh, it relates their body I also have skyscrapers with uh huts like with straw He's gonna have to respond to that because I make a point about it. So I hope you show the screenshot That stuff sounds like really condescending Especially if this is supposed to be hoisted as some sort of like a black identity movie You know, the whole skyscraper huts thing. I'd be like, man, really It kind of looks cool. But once you start thinking about it in terms of utilities, it's a little bit bizarre Yeah, it's like you just what you think we're just gonna live in fucking huts in our our space What if it hails You don't know they are made through the shield the huts are made of steel vibranium. They're just vibranium straw No, they grew the trees out of vibranium. It's vibranium wood When after earth was more respectable to black culture Honestly, this is actually made me think about something they have a mountain of vibranium Didn't kill them when the the comet or the asteroid landed. Yeah, that should have wiped them out That should I mean if it was big enough that they have an entire society that barely touches the Like remember when claus said oh, they barely scratched the surface. So it must have been a pretty big asteroid Maybe, you know big enough to kill humanity Maybe the story was saying it crashed ages ago and then when humans arrived that would be the only explanation Because otherwise it would have just killed everybody. I mean, we haven't even got to the flower power yet too Let's go with that. Let's just say yeah, it happened before that. Yeah, we haven't even talked about the the grape juice that turns them into superheroes I'm sure he's gonna point out that I'm wrong on that too, but we'll have to get to it All right, let's say told me about some ancient ancient group. It's a name a group of people That's isolationist and pacifist and they're guarding some lost secret. I'm like, uh, tibetan monks uh, the amish Uh, something like that. I wouldn't be like, oh an ancient african tribe That's someone called it the purple drink of heroes of heroes They're actually educated well beyond the standards of anywhere else in the world Why do you think that they think it would be a good idea to then go and conquer some of those savages? What you say because then they can just think over the whole world and have a monopoly on the inside of the planet What he just did was argue that because of things that happened way later that explains things they did already Which was stay isolated I'm talking about way back when I'm not talking about when they became fucking super civilized super advanced people When they were literally just terrible argument to make it's like, ah, the their activities in 2000s explain their activities and the negative 1 million this is like no Four they have everything they need. What could they possibly you don't even know that You just assume they have everything they need. Is that true? I mean, we can assume they have an infinite vibranium, but infinite vegetation and shelter. That's not even possible Yeah, what about space and other resources? I mean, it's vibranium is great. I have no doubt about it But you still have to have other things It's just strange when has the society ever been post scarcity I don't even just why did why do people have so much trouble with this? I was saying to wolf I think before we started It's like you have a family who have a house And then they have seven kids and then they grow up the parents die two of the kids say we're having this house You guys can build and sit in another one with your new family Oh, look one house now two houses of one generation apply that to an entire culture Look what happens It's just basic shit you expand your tribe in order to serve the populace They need more resources and shelter simple Stop treating it like it's some kind of horrific thing to do like as if there was just tribes right next to them They're like we can't we can't hurt them. It's like no, there was a grassland And how quickly we gloss over they conquered four other tribes in bloody warfare To start off the story and you're like, let's get that out of the way quick. It's just now moving on They conquered every tribe in in plain sight and then they stopped because that's mean Okay, very progressive gain by expanding their borders at this point other than bigger borders Yeah at this point. That's absolutely a different conversation I'm talking about back when they actually start because they don't have the giant dome then Yeah, if if if someone goes to a country and says, hey, do you just want free land? You think the country's gonna say no, it just makes our borders bigger. That's the part that I don't get I think it is. Yeah, you know the all the fields that are just outside of Wakanda. It's like, why don't you grab them? Earth is really big. We have a lot of vacant space Yeah, earth is insanely big It's really there aren't people everywhere There are a lot of empty spaces that they could have taken Yeah, like as someone just brought in chat, it's like what typically stops an expanding civilization It's like well, it's usually a lack of land or an opposing faction It's either a limited military some sort of a geographical barrier Um, uh a truce between two people over a guarded border Um, it can be all sorts of things, but it's not just because one side is like nah Nah, we're not gonna do that speed Especially back, you know a thousand years ago The humans expanded excessively and the Wakandans are already established as a people who are willing to dominate neighboring tribes Are you telling me they stopped after they took fucking four? The five tribes did battle but they weren't all conquered by a victor. They united in the end All the battling took place. No, they were conquered by the guy with the black panther juice That's the point he won because he had the most power I'm gonna double check that black panther intro to see what they didn't do Yeah, when it's not like they just went he well even if they only unified because black panther was like by the way I'm black panther you'd be like, okay. Fuck fine. That's not exactly a truce is it? It's unification through because one of them would kill you and so you're like, yeah, let's unite This is the best possible way that this could in that ignores the part that they actually fought still They were still fighting which means they are showing them fighting on the screen Someone called it colonization woke juice Like yeah, it's like no, no, they weren't conquered the screen See to me this has two people fighting each other Yeah, why do you need to we don't even we can move on to another topic because this is obvious The film is very clear about this. You don't need to like No, the fighting you interpreted the fighting wrong. It's not actually fighting. It was discussion Someone pointed out remember when Adolf united Europe As as jen has just had the quote for peace is having a larger stick than the next guy Like yeah, they use the they use strength and they were like we're better than you So fuck this is the thing the black panther juice like no one will be able to stop a black panther powered person back then been possible At least long before they had their advanced technology and the unification right but there was a black panther The black came and then they unified remember So why'd they do that? What is he suggesting until the black had the guy was just said peace and love everyone and they said, okay So was black panther like black jesus then Apparently like this is the thing i don't think i think he's inventing that part I would have to watch the intro again to make sure but the fact is and the good load said eat watermelon They did fight is is the main point It's very strange too when you think about all of the other tribes and stuff and all the other cold They just didn't notice wakanda. They didn't Do anything about it. They didn't write anything about it or get into fights with them or or be aggressive in any way It's just you have it. It's How do you reconcile that Like with reality is a perfectly adequate explanation of why the warring stopped Siri you didn't even provide an explanation. You just said it stopped Go back. Let's go back. See what he said did battle, but they weren't all conquered by a victor They united in the end all the battling took place long before they had their advanced technology as the victor unification of them All indicates a cult fighting before they had advanced technology doesn't affect the point whatsoever He he doesn't understand that the unification happened after there was a black panther Yeah, that's the magic the key detail right there and and I would imagine that the reason why everybody stopped fighting was because you now have an unstoppable force Who's telling you all right nah stop. Yeah, if I say unified under the one there were five tribes and four of them Agreed to unify underneath one of them. Yeah, that's good at your losses. Yeah, that's that's saying Oh, they won't wipe us out in our entirety. So that's probably the way we need to get Yeah, basically we've been screaming for an hour and managed to make it three minutes We're almost the three minutes will be conquered by a victor They united in the end all the battling took place long before they had their advanced technology And the unification of them all indicates a cultural shift acting as a perfectly adequate explanation of why the warring stopped Indicates a cultural shift got to be careful with our language indicates a cultural shift. He hasn't got anything He's just yeah, that's descriptive. It's not it's not actually saying what's What what happened? Like we we go from what we're actually shown. He's going from what you could infer Seriously and no one managed to get the word out about Wakanda's resources across this entire history except golem Are you telling me that across the vast history of Wakanda? No one on earth found them before they got their cloaking device up the movie isn't telling you that the movie literally never said that You said that I mean, that's why it was a question that yeah This is amazing projection coming from the guy who's literally making up story points to dude He quoted me like how did he miss that? Like everything he said has been wrong in his three and a half minutes So to clarify for him, right my assumption from watching it again because I didn't have a direct quote Is that it baffles me that uh, Wakanda stayed secret when we already know from the opening in the 1970 97 92 something like that But there is a guy who is about to release Wakandan weapons onto the world implying that he would obviously let People know that Wakanda exists and it's like he's the only and golem was successful in sharing the secrets of Wakanda Right, so I'm saying the only guy who was successful in revealing the secrets of Wakanda is golem in in 2010 or whatever Like really it's also important to remember that um in captain america They got vibranium and they would have gotten the I mean, I don't remember how they explained it, but they got it Yeah, have they get it back then and not start inquiring into it I'm curious how they mind vibranium back in the day when there was nothing if there's nothing stronger than vibranium I'm curious how they the argument is a laser The argument is that it's super malleable. Yeah, it's basically super metal. It can do whatever you want Okay, it's the mcguffin It is. Yeah, there's no denying that kind of yeah in the film. It's used to do everything Why do we have a super powered secret civilization in the middle of africa that nobody has ever known about in their life? And they're better than everyone else. Oh mcguffin One metal You know, he didn't really address your question either because he said no one wasn't saying that it's like, okay What is it saying then? Well, yeah, it's a fair question. You know, let's see if he does. Well, I'll see how he approaches it Explanation of why the warring stopped seriously and no one managed to get the word out about wakanda's resources across this entire history Except golem. Are you telling me that across the vast history of wakanda? No one on earth found them before they got their cloaking device up The movie isn't telling you that the movie literally never said that you said that so then what did it say? Maybe maybe he's gonna do it. Maybe he's gonna do it Or whatever stumbled across wakanda back in the day before they got their cloaking device up What do you think would have happened to change the events of this film? Either the wakandans would have employed whatever method they would deem appropriate to stop people from spreading the word You're suggesting they would murder people Imagine it's a horror film these people trekking through wakanda they bump into the shield and then they're just like the black path It's like that island Uh, I don't remember where it's off the coast from it's that island that still has like that tribe living on it Where everyone that goes on the island gets brutally murdered. Yeah. Yeah There's a super chat actually that that's interesting that Sort of makes a point here from o f jihuti v2 He gave 19 dollars and 99 cents Go to read it out. What did you want to read it out? Oh, I don't know. I was I don't know Because I was gonna say I usually do the the super chats between videos, but North Sentinel island This one's kind of it's this kind of topical. Uh, he says other african tribes did find the wakandans though The lady at the museum says the vibranium spear is from another african tribe and that british soldiers found Uh killmonger confirms this but says the spears were condom Well, it's not it's not even just that because as as they brought earlier the uh Capshield that must have come from somewhere Basically, there are there are little holes that need to be plugged and this guy's argument is well Obviously, they were plugged and it's just funny that he's like because obviously they would have just murdered these people Yeah It's just weird because he already establishes that there's xenophobic pacifists How could they but how could they possibly know like if somebody found it before they had their technology? You know that there had to be an evolution to where they got to The idea that there's not a wakandan in wakanda that decided we left and just didn't come back Like a troll literally someone who's like i'm gonna reveal this place. Fuck it It's to me if I find turn around and go home But no they murdered everybody. Okay, just get over it. It's weird. Yeah, you think they're in all the I'm like even in the 1800s and stuff and early 1900s, you know while africa was being you know Settled and colonized by france and britain and all that you think they would be like, oh Look at these people. That's new. So we just have to go. Okay guys. That's the last person We murdered to conceal existence now And see like I feel bad for the guy because he's having to invent reasons for this stuff to work And now he doesn't even realize that his his own fanfiction started to contradict itself We shouldn't even have to be writing it in the first place, dude Vibranium can't melt plot holes this film I think the wakandans would have employed whatever method they would deem appropriate to stop people from spreading the word of their city Or if they did murder they probably wouldn't have been able to get wakanda to anything more than legend status The movie explicitly states that would have been wakanda that yeah, but putting yeah, that would be enough That would be enough to somebody to go look for it. Yeah, this is yeah They they don't exist in a separate dimension you walk up to it and it will frazzle you on the freaking The dome no, I what what it is is no, I don't think the shield is up all the time That I think it's just the shield makes it look like it's a jungle you can walk We're talking about the time before the shield Oh, yeah, that's I guess I'm talking about both But I was just gonna say if you walked into a condor and kept walking Eventually, you'd hit the shield and whether or not you die or you go through it. That's gonna You know, yeah, even if you die everybody else behind you is gonna go. What the fuck just happened to Frank He's like, holy shit Make a horror film out of black panther that cutting these people down like and you know I'm not gonna accept the argument of oh, they had a censor so they knew that somebody walked Black panther went and murdered them. What if it was like a bore or a zebra or something that just walked into the shield and died It's A whole mountain of dead animals They can have like the corpses puppet it up on sticks to And he walks to this shield he sees the This is this is what it comes down to I don't believe they've put enough effort into explaining how this place could possibly have remained a secret Yeah, because it's not like they go into mass amnesiatics Well, I think the big issue is that it's on the continent of Africa when it's like landlocked It seems a lot less plausible than if it were an island. Yeah. Yeah Like how was wonder woman remember how in wonder? Yeah That works a lot better As I mentioned wonder woman at least had the caveat of like there's mist that goes around Yeah, it's a holy and secret magical shit. But also, you know, the ocean is really big Yeah, yeah true. Yeah It's a secret island. It's surrounded by mist and the really really choppy waters and it's stormy You're like, I can believe that And I think it's just you look at history and the latest people that we ever discovered were always in the islands You know, like you find people off in the pacific islands, but you don't you don't just like walk through Russia or something and then go to asia and you're like just stumble upon these people who've never been met by anybody before Yeah, it's not that likely Just like north sentinel island right now. There's people right now today that Like haven't discovered technology. They still use spirits and I guess the amazon is another example But it's important to remember that the amazon is a lot more impenetrable than continental africa Yeah, also we know not the same we get to a point now where it's like he's accusing us of the star Well, I say ask me that uh, you know, like maybe think about this next time It's like clearly we thought about it Like this is this is I don't criticize lightly. It's like this is why it doesn't make sense And he's just like, well, no if you just I think I think a lot of yeah I think I think all of us are probably quite obsessive over like trying to think this stuff through What we're trying to play devil's advocate with each other here is what we're doing And it's really tough like if we were sitting on, you know, disney's board of directors or the creative team We're like, okay, we have to do x and we're like Um, Jesus christ. How do we do this? How do we write this away? Yeah, it would be tough Well, it's the it's the scrutiny that you should be applying to your own story I mean, this is the kind of thing that you're meant to do when you're writing a story You think about it and if it doesn't work, then you have to try something else Yeah, and I have this issue Like if this guy invents the idea that there is xenophobic pacifist Then you can't you have to you have to be consistent with your explanation And that's the thing we're stuck all the way back at since when was that a thing And then it's like it doesn't even make sense if we take him seriously. It's just like Yeah, because it counters what he says later. He's it's for this is this is so far pretty awful Okay, we'll we'll keep going or if they did manage to escape They probably wouldn't have been able to get Wakanda to anything more than legend status The movie oh, yeah So the reason we brought that up is when he says he couldn't only get it to legend status If you told someone there is a place in the middle of Wakanda that if you walk up to it It'll frazzle you on a freaking dome How many people went looking for El Dorado? That's pretty good Yeah, El Dorado Atlantis Shangri-La Shangri-La You realize that a guy tried to launch himself into space recently to prove that the earth was flat, right? And you're telling me that no one would ever think hmm. Maybe I can go looking for this Yeah, I might take a walk in Wakanda. Oh, that's ridiculous. You never do that I mean hell if that legend spread enough I could imagine Iron Man being like yeah, I might look into that just out of curiosity Presently states at the beginning that Wakanda is surrounded by mountain ranges and impenetrable forests To top it off if you're impenetrable forest. There's no such thing Yeah, those don't exist People live in the amazon jungle Impenetrable forest that's like we go in like an indestructible The way yeah is like, you know africa is not like really a jungle, you know Are they sci-fi trees They're they're vibranium trees See even even if they were vibranium tree you can walk through trees. It's not hard Even the fanghorn forest wasn't in the struck by the way Fucked up. Isengard. That's already countering himself again Because that's implying that what Wakandans were trapped inside the trees. Maybe and at that point they're not isolationist They were just unlucky Well, if you if you look at it from the From the perspective of Thor technically everything is a giant spirit tree So we're all technically trapped in a tree. I just picture. There's a tree and he just sees it He's like impenetrable and we walk around it. He goes They grow horizontally at Wakanda You just throw a rock through it and the rock bounces back at you all in the air It's like don't be long. Whoops. Do they give like a geographic position for Wakanda? Yeah, central Africa and they show kind of near They show they show it's surrounded by loads of grass fields Loads of fields that they're not even in you know, like all of the the faked guys Oh when that flew over. Yeah, there's loads of space. It's not like it's a bunch of trees and even if it were Why would that stop people? Someone said it says impenetrable is the defense of this movie. Yeah, and like everybody walked back then It's not like they're trying to drive tanks and shit through it Like is impenetrable before us you walk through it it's just Like what were they stopping like fucking I don't know dodge caravans We're not even like on the plot which is by the way, my biggest issues with this film is kill monger in the plot It's not even this but Sure, so monger in the plot would be a good band name That's true The movie explicitly states at the beginning that Wakanda is surrounded by mountain ranges and impenetrable forests except the parts that aren't And to top it off you actually managed to get through all that What do you find a group of people intent on not letting you spread the word? No, they're pacifists. I was gonna say what do you mean by that? They murder you What do you think happens? Do you know do they make you pinky swear? You have to write the movies. Yeah now at this point I'm just thinking like what happens if some kid from some other tribe Just like went exploring in the jungle and he just walks through and just sees these giant towers What do they do to him? He's about to be a fucking statistic I guess That's the thing man. They've got to keep a card to save so whatever it's collateral We can throw them on the giraffe body. All right guys week How much would you kill a Wakanda culture at that point? How much would people someone said they'll pacify you to death? They'll pacify you to death Well that what do you find a group of people intent on not letting you spread the word once you've actually Have you guys noticed how vague he is with the he doesn't say murder. He doesn't say anything. He's like they will You know engage in methods that prevent they will really they will convince you with very Very well constructed dialogue and discussion I'm sorry. I gotta read this comment. It uh says You must forget the way the first black panther to christopher columbus You tear that but all the pharma people are like hey, man, you're like hey and you carry on walking the goat Where are you going? You go? Oh just over there and then they go Don't don't do that I just don't do that You do not know do it You do not know do it over to his matters. He keeps avoiding saying that Like you know why right because if you admit that Wakandans have been murdering anybody who comes close to them That's really grim like you're like Good luck that makes them bad That makes them very very bad Very hard to root for harder to root for them than it was before We discovered the city how far back over the mountain ranges or through the rainforest So do you expect people to be able to get so that people can get back home? I love how he says just all the ranges Is no people don't like climb mountains all the time. Let me hear that again Because I think i'm gonna be making that point a group of people intent on not letting you spread the word Once you've actually discovered the city how far back over the mountain ranges or through the rainforest So do you expect people to be able to get so well if they got there? Yeah People don't go further than they can't return before that bit because he's wrong on that too Is he suggesting that any people who get into Wakanda decide well can't get back out? Guess I'll just stay here forever. That's all I do myself. Sorry wife and kids and There is no other race in Wakanda So you that doesn't even account for any explorers across the world from the western world Someone else said it my wait boy forget the way or you will forget your life He said Watching the movie wrong. That's what we're doing. Um, yeah, so so it said bone dome and that's what we need to start calling it The bone dome But my question is if they're going there from the legends alone Right and and then you go well when they get there they realize they can't get back Like it's so flimsy. Do you think people who go to climb everus don't have the foresight to bring resources that will bring them back Well, yeah, it's not a one-way trip and we're talking about a rainforest you could actually survive in it Like if you didn't do that, there's south america. This is not Very very very strange points being made you fucking bizarre. This is awful so far I went hiking up a mountain just three months ago And I brought the stuff I would need to get up and back down Why why does he think people wouldn't do that? If you were so good that you could get through the quote-unquote impenetrable Which it isn't because somebody penetrated But if you're good enough to get through that or climb mountains, are they so stupid that they don't know how to get back? I love the light thing he's doing. He's just like they just wouldn't typically speaking It's okay Well, it's only impenetrable when you try to go back through the forest It's like does he not understand that Hannibal crossed the Alps in 218 bc He took elephants over the fucking Alps to invade Rome in 218 bc But rags you're forgetting that there wasn't an impenetrable forest in the way Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah impenetrable forest remember that How did people get to Tibet that no the impenetrable Himalayas they just Yeah, they didn't And the fact that he's taking the words of the movie so definitively like if the movie told you for example There is a mountain on every side of Wakanda that's so big no one could ever cross it And you're just sitting there thinking like what and then this guy is like People human beings managed to cross an ice bridge between Russia and Alaska And then go all the way down to the bottom so close that they could get to Antarctica if they wanted to But they can't walk through like two kilometers of shrub But there wasn't an impenetrable ice forest If what he said was true that doesn't really help him out because if there is a point on the earth where there's a circle of Mountains around a point then people are like, oh, that's mysterious. Yeah, we got it. I want to talk about it Uncharted. Yeah, especially if it's uncharted. Yeah, people want that's the thing. They don't that's the thing They don't make anymore. I don't make land anymore. He's not accurate about this anyway Because they show that there's plenty of grassy field areas Plains outside of this dome. So it's just not true anyway But there we are we're still on the intro as well. I feel like he's not gonna be able to cover He said he's gonna be able to do this in two parts How are you gonna be able to cover all my points into it? I have a feeling he's gonna skip over the ones that are that are good I love the information so that people can get back It's a triple forest, it's how you lose your open ore I was expecting a better rebuttal to my point here. I still think my point's good here. I was expecting better as well. Yeah I come and go yes, we're kind of exists I promise and then when the age rolled around that it would be impossible to miss a big city like that The modern age of photo evidence and google maps. They had their cloaking device up Do you actually think that any I never said the Wakanda should we didn't talk about yeah never said that so Again, and someone launched themselves into space or tried to launch themselves into space to prove the earth is flat We're just in you're in denial if you think that people wouldn't try and find this We've gone over his point anyways in so this is the thing it breaks in so many different ways But yeah, he's right Anybody tries to take a photo of Wakanda with a dome up won't get a photo of Wakanda But I don't think I ever said that so it's all good I don't think I've ever said that you kind of got to go under the dome to get a photo of Wakanda No one's going to believe you if you look at the dome No one ever walked into that people would have just walked into the fucking dome They're like people live in Africa Like I think is that is that a thing that people forget like Africa's full of people It's just funny that one of the biggest counters is just look at human history We do insane shit to get to places really insane And you know especially towards the later years if if for example some Military in central Africa went off and it's like well you guys go that way We'll go this way and then meet up and they just don't show up And they don't hear from them. Are you saying that at no point would anybody Invite to get that somebody said India had mountains, but did it have impenetrable trees? That's an important angle All right, here we go any kind of credence once the google satellite passed over that Oh, oh, it's also important before we go on Hannibal was African So he could do it just saying Each of photo evidence and google maps they had their cloaking device up Do you actually think that any legend of Wakanda that well? Well, I never said that you're inferring it and I was asking the question You did exactly what you fucking criticized me for Okay, look a bunch of trolls on 4chan looked at weather patterns to find Shia a buff's flag And you're trying to tell me That people would not go looking for this I mean people found like some dude dragging a dead guy over a dock somewhere on google maps And you're trying to tell me that no one would even attempt to find Wakanda in this We were shown they literally travel into the dome with spaceships It's so reckless. They're not even cloaked. Do you remember I make a I make a point of this I don't know if he's going to bring it up, but they're in Wakanda with their ship fully visible Then they go bloop into the dome But it's like yeah, google would actually get a photo of that funnily enough that would actually happen Once existed would ever be given any kind of credence once the google satellite passed over that area and provided photographic evidence Someone said people not pacify us Did you just imply that people wouldn't believe it once google's passed over there and shown nothing? Do you understand? Yeah, people think that the earth is flat Come on Wakanda that once existed would ever be given any kind of credence First flattery from Wakanda to the area and provided photographic evidence Wakanda There are people who wouldn't believe the earth is round if they were like You know taken into space and traveled around the earth Some people think that like this is 6000 years old even though we have like um Even though we know of things that existed before that time Even though the pyramids predate that yeah Does this guy honestly believe that if google said Wakanda does not exist then we'd all go okay Yeah, they realize that all we would be able to infer is that that Wakanda is conservative Yeah, people would assume that google had been paid off like that's so crazy they could get like Yeah, I mean you do realize that people believe like the flat earthers believe that every airplane has windows That make the earth appear around I mean come on how delusional are you viewed Wakanda that is sitting right next to them in extreme poverty Do they actually care about the people starving at their doorstep? Do they at least bribe those guys to stay silent like you probably think i'm crazy right now? Watch the opening again before they travel through the secret entrance to Wakanda The ship that black panther and his crew are in flies right past regular Wakandans and some fuck is waving to them No It's funny to hear that again to clarify For this man in case he doesn't understand my point I understand that the outside Wakandans are in on it right But the world is in on the outside Wakandans. We know about the outside Wakandans. Okay, we accept they exist So they would naturally have people there maybe visiting they have people who interact with the real world like That's that's okay. So information can spread and it's like and you have these people actively watching Regular interactions with the secret Wakanda for me You you take that concept you add as many years as you want to it and the information is going to bleed out There's no way yeah, hey There's a there's a new country across the ocean called America full of opportunity And you can go there and start a new life I mean who what all these fucking goat farmers in the middle of africa Wakanda are not how many of them will say you know what? There's this new world that's been discovered But I wonder what that's all about and again right relief workers who apparently, you know They can go everywhere except Wakanda perhaps but like just picture one relief worker who's curious I I don't know. I guess I scarcely remember Something that had to do with UN people going to the poor Wakanda front And no, I guess nobody let it slip like Oh, you know, hey, buddy. I'm just going into the force field to pick up some groceries Wakroger He like does it in front of all the relief workers and his friend is like, oh that was that's Whoa. Oh darn another one. It happened again. Oh, no. I think oh, man It's time to pass you know when they went off When they went off to do in in civil war when they're in Lagos and doing like they had relief workers I guess nobody at any point like spoke to where they could see the language written on their lips on the inner side of their lip All right, you know when they were chewing nobody saw that lucky. No one ever say that This is the thing they do not put in enough effort and they show us so many things that make me go like How could you possibly have stayed a secret? But anyway, let's let's hear his counter multiple choice What strikes you as more likely the thing that you just said which you were only saying because you think it's ridiculous in the first place Or these people that are just outside the secret city of Wakanda are from okay So why are they poor then my point relies on point b being true Yeah, this guy's not great. This guy's not very bright. What does he mean the thing? I just said clearly isn't true. That fuck is waving Yeah, this guy's in on it Like yeah, we know like he said this guy this fucker is waving it It adds to the issue if they leave a Stay out of the city if they keep going it out I mean, I'm pretty sure the movie makes it a point that everyone outside of the central dome to Wakanda is poor Let me just give you an example. You're already saying that they don't they don't leave the city because class in v no Do they have internet at Wakanda? Yes or no, I guess not. I guess no because if there was You're done just with that fact alone. Oh, they use vpns You can't it's like with the internet. They're fucked because there's just it takes one Wakanda to go I'm actually the secret city right now. We'll play it over It's like You look at a heat map of like where all of your internet traffic's from and there's just this random spot in the middle of Africa Or there's a bunch of people who have high speed internet. You're like, that's great How weird? Yeah, I'm sure there's no Wakanda never said. Hi. You're gay Yeah, it was weird that he said this because like I said point b is what I'm assuming is true in order to make my point All these people there was no teenager who just said Wakanda I'll throw the secret city of Wakanda, but just aren't in it at the moment. Right. Let's put it this way That's what I say. Are there your two choices Is that your two choices? I don't even stand as the car to me there. That was weird. I don't understand it either And that's very strange Why didn't he know when he was typing that out was he like, oh shit people being outside Wakanda That's like an issue for secrecy pretty sure. That's not uh the correct aspect ratio by the way Well, he's got to add the black into it to make it I don't even your yeah, why isn't he correcting my aspect ratio? Why didn't he use clips from black panthex? It's out. He's clearly using clips from other movies Wow Why'd you cut out the black? Yeah, why are you are you are you hate black? Are you yeah, do you hate black? You're not like saying black on the screen We may as well nitpicking technically since he did it to me It's like, yeah, what you should have done here is start remove the background so that it plays this as black Because now it's just distracting that we have this strange border around the film Yeah, how do you like it when someone does it to you? About Wakanda or claw wouldn't be a thing but the reason this isn't common knowledge Which seems to be what you're complaining about is that well if someone not common knowledge I'm confused how it never got out Which would have spread and spread and spread claw seems to be the only information breach they've ever had Aside from the brother legends spring up about places that never existed That people spent their whole lives looking for you know, Atlantis, El Dorado So a place that actually did exist um Yeah Very interesting Told you there was a secret African city that was invisible from google maps and all other Yes, I would believe it. Really? I could believe that right now If you told me there's more Anthony Bourdain would go there and check it out or one of those discovery channel shows they would go out And say like legends i'm blown away by this the amount of legends that exist in human history that have no bearing on reality Like people believe this stuff dude Google maps does not disprove legends You realize that the flying spaghetti monster actually has unironic Did did google maps when it was released did that prove disprove Atlantis? How did that go? I think that this guy forgets that Wakanda isn't a concept It's a physical place and that if somebody went to go look for it They would find it that's the thing if you go look for it You'll find it Especially if they literally got access to vibranium. I mean Or sold ultron like several crates of vibranium exactly. Yeah I mean, how is it that nobody he literally has the the stuff that they have Anybody would believe him if he said that dude after age of ultron wouldn't iron man have been like Where did all this vibranium come from? Yeah, exactly because I should be using this kind of metal like I would love to use this kind of metal And that's the thing is because it's really badly done it's stapled on black panther as a film is stapled onto the mcu And they're just like oh this makes sense shut up And let's be honest if someone told you that there is a secret world in Africa right now and you're like Surely not we would have found it and it's like no It has a dome that literally makes it impossible to see through and if anything touches it vaporizes I would still be like, hmm That's something you can test though. That's exactly it's like well I could go and prove you wrong just by walking through Wakanda. So let's go. Oh, yeah Well on the discovery channel all those shows that they have about people going into the wilderness and checking out legends Big foot it would have gone out there and still think big foot exists. Come on The satellite photos would you believe them or would you trust that you know Evidence that there isn't one there. How is google maps definitive evidence? I'm not even saying it isn't I'm not saying it is possible No, what I'm saying is that uh, I can understand someone believing that google maps is forged if they were You know like a shot was forged on there and it was paid for by someone. I understand how you could believe it I probably wouldn't myself, but it's possible and the idea that what does it matter if I believe it? Yeah, it's you're not trying to convince someone or somebody or a group of people You're you're trying to convince an entire planet multiple civilizations worth of people It's like he thinks that people don't believe things without evidence look at every religion ever I just this is bizarre. You stayed on this point for so long. It's like why do you want to die on this hill? Yeah, he's five and a half minutes in and his points are awful In contradictory workers not find out about this if the third world Wakandans know about it It's explicitly stated that Wakanda refuses aid and that would include relief workers That doesn't make any sense either because relief workers would find it anyway. I in fairness the relief Yeah, no, I was gonna say in fairness to him I didn't make it explicit enough But what I meant and I swear to god was right in the script I meant this because I remember the scene where they say they refuse relief workers Relief workers are not refused at every other place outside of Wakanda So how is it possible over this entire time that nobody ventured into Wakanda? Yeah, because they don't yeah, they don't know what's a Wakanda to venture into that doesn't mean if you go there You won't be in Wakanda. You'll just find it also It's more bullshit because are you trying to tell us that as a as a western community We're like let's look after the work like help people in Africa And it's like yeah every single country gets given aid except Wakanda the one right in the middle It's like why? Well, because they don't want it why? Well, yes, unusual if they're poor they would want it if they were actually having people die They would want it exactly and if they're rich it'll make us go wait. Why are they rich? Are they able to help they present themselves as poor are they rich? Do they have something that we don't know about let's look into that This guy the only way this narrative works for him is if everyone on planet earth is retarded It's like we all just go. Oh, okay. That's fine Is Wakanda a real thing we check google maps was not there Okay, it's the holdo defense. Oh, the story works if the characters are retarded Well, you know, you kind of got to be retarded to like this movie. So That's racist dude. Oh, well. Yeah Some people some of us are retarded. Okay, and we hated this movie We actually get into the movie proper There are a few ball space jokes that I actually quite like as he is plummeting to the trees He throws his balls at his enemies and it disables them, but there's nothing really wrong here I mean unless I'm missing something which isn't unthinkable. Everything is just sort of Wait a second. If what if nobody knows about Wakanda, how come he just fucking shows up at the u.n Oh, well, they know about the fake what they know about Wakanda, but it's the fake front Wakanda Yeah And have access to planes Fly them over to different countries. It's a bit weird, isn't it the more you think about it more it gets questions It's a fake. I guess they there's a fake. Yeah, I guess you forgot about that, didn't you? Or that we can't do is actually La la la la turn off your brain la la la guys. He appreciated my balls joke high five, all right Actually No, no now I'm even more confused. So Wakanda is Realized as actual country But unlike all the other countries surrounding it that were created by european colonizers The one the single one that wasn't colonized apparently That had nobody go there and like take them over In the entire continent is the one that doesn't let people come to their country And it doesn't accept aid Isn't that just a big mystery? Isn't that just like wow that sounds really you want to go there And then if you find out there are legends of Wakanda having incredible society underneath it You'd be like fuck i'm gonna go i'm gonna go He's like yeah, there would be national geographic teams and fucking all sorts of people trying to find out It would be it would be a whole mini series You'll get psychos a discovery channel a psycho group like It's eight people who are like let's take pistols and everything else that we need and go on this track Because we're gonna about discover history here, but we might get attacked And if we don't come back we are going here and here and here and before someone says that's ridiculous It's happened in history people have done it before they do crazy things Again an african guy Hannibal crossed mountains with elephants in 218 bc People get to where they want to go Even if they want to fucking bring elephants with them Exactly beautiful elephants that can get past impenetrable trees Well, maybe not probably not. Well, that's why he took him over the mountains because the trees were just too much The mountains reason to cross Someone in the chat said he's really well spoken for a king of shepherds I mean, I still I'm still I'm still stuck at the whole speaking english thing I still think that that's pretty retarded that the entire culture speak english. Shouldn't they speak an african language? They do have a language should we chalk it up to just movie simplicity. Yeah, no, I'm actually with it For the most part It's the same reason that when peter quill goes into space everybody speaks english even though The reason I bring it up the reason I bring it up here rather than let's say guardians is because does that imply They speak both if they if they speak english and Wakanda then that means they must have been dealing with the outside world In some way like at least they learned the language from the outside world and then adopted it or we're supposed to just ignore that So I actually really research well here's that we've already established that it's basically inevitable that they interact with the outside world I mean, if especially if people are living outside Wakanda and because for almost all of Wakanda's history They didn't have a magic the guffin wall They will interact with other people Like I said they used a vpn I'm happy to just keep going anyway on the one To the trees he throws his balls at his enemies and it disables them, but there's nothing really wrong here I mean unless I'm missing something which isn't unthinkable Everything is just sort of fine for a while then we get to stuff like this Why in the world would black panther bother with any kind of stealth his suit makes him immune to bullets He may as well just do it the iron man way and land in the center of a bunch of Fuck them all up. They can't actually do anything to him So why bother with the pretense and maybe a thinking he wants to do Wait, I think he might have cut my context there because I almost disagreed with myself I was like, why would you bother with stealth? In general it's like, well, there are times where you can at least spy on people at least so that's always good for stealth But I can't remember if I was arguing it for that scenario I think what it was was you would just point it out the part where that way the jungle Stealthfully took out two guys and then started killing them all I found it weird that he stealthily took out two and then it doesn't matter. He can't be hurt. What's the point? Yeah, so I feel like he might have cut my out of my context there With a limit to civilian casualty or protecting the people in the convoy, but he only stealth kills two Oh, there we go. For the rest. He just assaults the place with bullets flying everywhere. Yes, you heard that right That was why is he bothering with stealth? It doesn't seem very necessary Almost immediately. Yeah doesn't well. He doesn't seem to be using stealth very much It's almost as if he used stealth just for the approach so he could get the advantage of that doesn't make sense. No, no, stop Stop He's not understanding the point the point is that if if he is invulnerable to bullets Yet he stealth killed two people But then later on doesn't seem to care about collateral damage Like it has to be one or the other either Yeah, exactly, you know why go silent or why go still and there's no reason to do both You do one or the other. Yeah, because I remember watching this movie confused He kills two stealthily and then just assaults the rest. It was like, why did you bother with the stealth? My actual assumption was he's protecting the convoy He's trying to if you do it stealthily you can knock it out without bullets flying But he's like, oh no he does Maybe maybe they the people think maybe the people who made this movie thought that the idea of black panther implied, you know Stealth and subterfuge and they just threw that in at the beginning to like remind the audiences of it Well, it makes for a fun scene because you're like, oh, there's the build-up. Oh, there's the reveal Oh, he knocks them out and now we get into it boom boom boom and I was just like, well, that didn't make sense As a strategy. Yeah, okay And I guess this definitely confirms that he murders every I guess If the secret You know, either you stealth take out people so they don't even know what happened and then it's like, oh mysterious or They see you and when they wake up they remember that they got attacked by a guy in a black cat suit And they have the scene of iron man playing here and it's so fitting for I forget which iron man won This is from ages one. This is one. So it tells you a lot about the way that Tony solves problems He's very head-on. He's very head-on. He's very confident. He's a great sequence. He's very fuck you. I'm iron man You know, I'm taking my problems head-on. I'm not sneaking around. You know, here I am. I'm here to, you know Solve these issues. It's very upfront. It's very confident Very great sequence though. Yeah, it's great. So just said stealth pacifism Hey, he peacefully killed those guards One of them into the truck and broke all of his organs and bones. Yes, but it's very I mean at least he was nice about it So anyway, do you think that any of those got oh, yeah, I was gonna say I'll try and kick it up So we can get through this video poor guy It's almost as if he used stealth just for the approach so that he could get the advantage of surprise Well, he has to learn the advantage You can't beat him Well, I don't lost the element of surprise when he disabled every single car in the entire convoi Yeah, they were all they were all on edge after he did that and not to mention what the fuck is the room? What advantage can he gain that guy to the car? He's immune to bullets. What can they do to him? Yeah, why didn't he land at the back of the convoy and work his way up whenever I just I think it's worthwhile to compare it like you compare it to iron man and Really damage. Well with iron man, it needs to be a lot of like firepower, but With iron man, he just lands there and beats them all up Because they can't do anything to him But with black panthe even though they can't do anything to him He just such He just said he did to gain the advantage. I wish he would develop that. What what advantage Yeah, I mean wouldn't his advantage be the suit that protects him from bullets I would I would label that faster and I would label that as the advantage faster and more Yeah, I mean it would have been faster and more efficient if he just attacked them outright. Also, um, he skipped over I had a lot of criticisms of that opening scene in um, I get like I come at where it was But like skipping over my points for why the film is broken if he comes to a conclusion at the end of this The sea black panther isn't so bad. I'll be pretty annoyed if he's ignored all the good points by his own standard If you know what I mean Because your black panther was how long? Sorry, that came out wrong. Um the video Geez because his his criticism video is shorter than The one it's responding to well If you remember rags, you're not allowed to be longer than the original if you're gonna make something good So that way I got you. I got you. Anyway, we will continue yourself just for the approach So he could get the advantage of surprise and then once you've given himself That's the he doesn't need the advantage of surprise Use stealth just for the approach so he said that he had nothing Yeah, nothing's a game from using stealth and then once you've given himself away He didn't have any advantage That's the question at all So he's not even listening to me. I said that Stealth is fine with me, especially for the reason that you want to protect the convoy So you knock all these people out so they can't do what they did to iron man in this scene Did you get that? But then black panther just drops I do like his logic though because you know as somebody who plays a lot of stealth games I can tell you that even if you've been seen you can still slip away And then they don't know where you are and so even though they know that you're around They don't know where you are. Yeah, they already knew the round still disabled the fucking cars and two of their guys didn't come back Did they think a lion just killed them and that's like, oh all right Oh man, what are those lions Those dusted lions Yeah, uh, it feels like he deliberately avoided what I was trying to say there Because he's not an idiot You know even even before he revealed himself He might have been scouting out the area and trying to figure out nice just invent the scene from a plane I like how you're trying to make his own motivation now because he's right in the film. No terrible I mean stop writing the film for them Stop making these terrible arguments You know, I think of one of my favorite films Shawshank Redemption and I can't think of many instances where I'm sat there like now Why did they do let me let me try and figure out why they did this? You know what I mean? It's clear It's apparent anything that's important is Appearance the the problem is that if we got him to explain a problem. He hasn't a film I guarantee you I can just do this back to him with any flaw I could be like what you don't understand is that this was happening blah blah blah blah blah blah And then you'll be why didn't ultron create more than one cool version of himself? Why didn't he just create like two vibranium ultrons? Even though like a flan by iron man both times. Oh, no, it was it was it was No, the vibranium one remember. Yeah, it was four vision and iron man at the same time, right? Like he had enough to create all the shitty robots But why didn't he just make five or ten like awesome vibranium ultron and then type them like fucking horcrux to Your argument against that could be well. He's he's arrogant. So he did something purposely done He had exactly enough vibranium to only make that suit and whatever device Exactly. Yeah, and the film doesn't put his effort into doing that at all But it could have and this is the thing you're writing the fucking scenes Anyway, yeah, maybe that's what's going on. He's literally immune to these weapons Not getting a strong vibe of intelligence with this approach here, but you know, oh, maybe that's the point Oh boy You don't want to after this first seven minutes. You don't want to be saying that Yeah, especially because of the ecoma after you and there should be punctuation, but That's just like really feel himself and actually get into the fight. You know, maybe maybe that's what's going on He's literally immune to these weapons not getting a strong vibe of intelligence with this approach here But he's already commented on how I made some decent criticisms and I made him laugh too So, yeah, it's a bit weird. Yeah, I can't wait for him to see this stream He can see us for two hours calling him an hour biggest defense is that we make them so long nobody wants to watch I'm not gonna watch them for that. So they so they spent six minutes on You know one little point at the beginning and even that's wrong. So Maybe that's the point Uh, I cut a bit out here, but that wasn't clear. So I decided to do this I mean, okay, apparently vibranium is such an incredible metal that it skyrocketed wakanda to a futuristic age in technology and architecture But perhaps not in the general market that's available to the populace. What about this market doesn't look advanced to you Um, are you? Are you fucking kidding me? The only thing that looks advanced is the train in the background And even then it looks Like a bus. It just looks like a normal. Look at how dirty it is. Look at all the dust that's getting kicked up It looks like a little straw. Can you see the straw on the left or the right? Sorry On the roof is like straw. Yeah. Yeah, there's bamboo and well, I mean, I like tile or something Downtown detroit looks more advanced than this. It looks like there's it's looked like it looks like they're setting up a story for a two class society It does doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, like this is the lower class Is this the story that this movie is going to go into about the lower class and the upper class, you know Is this like an all is is wakanda and oligarchy? You know or is there is this like, you know, apparently this looks advanced You know revolutionary france. I wanted to know what about this image looks advanced at all to him the durable tune I mean, honestly the original halo two Uh city level in the like I think it's like the second or third level of the game. Yeah. Yeah new mombasa looks more advanced than this And that's in africa. That's in uh, yeah, that's in africa Well, there's someone on the discord who shared a bunch of pictures of somewhere in africa That's uh more modern than than the rest of it and it looks. Yeah Africa is not um is not fully underdeveloped like a lot of people think it is it does have cities And technologies and TVs and internet and cars. It's not just a bunch of people living in straw huts Unless they're in wakanda, I guess Wakanda is less advanced than Johannesburg, I suppose This is not where my mind goes when I think futuristic. That's this is not someone said uh, this is almost just wakanda on a budget I'm like different to what we have over here. It doesn't look quite as commercialized But there are signs sign banner sign banner sign street corners straw stores shops That's her see and this is the problem a lot of people are like, oh, it's because moorla doesn't appreciate culture And I'm like here's the thing Look at the scene take out the gerbil tube train That's a real place Well, let's put it this way when you take out the CGI stuff, which is all the stuff in the background Someone this could be a photograph. Yeah. Yeah, this is a photograph. You'd be like that bus is unusual. It must be like a fiat or Yeah Like seriously though if like this could I mean it looks like an actual place from actual africa Just take out the gerbil tube and you're like, okay. It's just it's just moderately sized city in africa Why did why did someone just say getting a mention from sargon isn't good? Okay, it's a bit of a random comment But I uh, I can't judge what sargon likes by the way. He's a fan of predator As far as it goes, okay It really screams primitive what you think people reach a certain level of technology and this somehow negates their need for things like Baskets we then get a royal entrance. Wait if the what? Why did he treat my point that way? That is that is interesting. I mean that's what he took from what I said That's oof. We'll laugh. I love he zooms into the basket instead of the fucking straw roof like Yeah, good job dooming into the fucking the dirt floor and the dust everywhere And the tattered signs and all the you know, what looks like poverty everywhere But all the baskets just ignore the the whole rest of the scene And even though it's commercialized, but there's nothing there that really screams primitive. What you think people straw screams primitive Yeah, we'll reach a certain level of vendors on dirty streets does kind of scream primitive It's almost like they don't have enough space. I wonder why they didn't expand earlier on Yeah, this is a very densely, you know packed well because they're passive for any All right, okay, so they just put up with living like this Also, this is a one-way street. If there's a bus coming the other way then How does it get through? Yeah, this isn't even see that's what's so interesting. That's pretty bad urban planning. Yeah being poor as fuck isn't culture It gates their need for things like baskets We then get a royal entrance for black panthers He approaches his mother and sister and in relation to the cars that were disabled by the black panthers balls in the beginning His sister says how many times do I have to tell you just because something works doesn't mean it can't be improved This line is a commentary for the point of the film itself But here it just means that he needs to update his balls Okay, man that joke was funny the first time But if you keep repeating it to the extent that it becomes the only joke in this video No, I kept accurate to what he said and yeah, that's the thing it doubles up as a joke Is that she's actually saying that he needs to update his balls I mean I stated a fact and now you're like stop making jokes And besides yeah, I keep the ball joke going throughout. I found it funny. I don't care if you don't find it funny. There you go subjective boys It is gonna weapon we then cut to London and we see no look it's creed That's a good movie and I like creed creed is looking at ancient artifacts while getting them explained by some lady He gets rather flustered when she implies that the artifacts were discovered and corrects her These things were not paid for by this woman's ancestors. They were stolen just like they stole Everything else brushing over whatever it is you're implying here because I genuinely can't tell what it is I'm implying that Killmongers saying that white people have stolen everything which is awkward as fuck The idea that white people haven't achieved anything themselves and they stole it from everyone else is fucking wrong Like that's a real thing people believe Yeah, like there are people out there who tried to book flights to a condo and also I mean if they didn't think it was Your your mic's all uh, your your mic's cutting out a lot. Fringy. Sorry. I mean They didn't steal it directly from Wakanda though. Did they Stolen from a tribe that must have stolen it from Wakanda and they probably weren't white and so yeah, but that can't be true because Because then people would know about Wakanda I don't And I don't know about this just to clarify right because a lot of people in the comment section Like why do you keep showing jesse from breaking bad whenever you talk about some increased set? And the point is that I could make a counter argument But it's going to devolve into a fucking race conversation in my chat So I'd rather just say yeah what he's saying is very awkward to listen to it was really awkward to do in the cinema They they knew who would be watching this movie and they knew that there would be a segment of people who watch this movie Who want to hear things about white people? I mean Need I remind you of the end where kill monger's dying and he's like put me back into ocean so I can be with my ancestors Which but you're from what can't what? He's from oakland If he's referring to how It's like if he's referring to like the the common ancestor we all have it's like, okay, so everyone could drop in that ocean That's right. That's there were no Wakandan slaves So they know all that's the thing all black people are related to all black all black people It's one big family. It would be you know anybody who says this has never met an actual african person I'm just gonna say that as somebody who has because one of them isn't like I would I'd have to clarify the dialogue I'd have to clarify the dialogue as far as I remember He says something like this wasn't discovered it was stolen just like everything else You guys steal or something like that. It was some kind of comment and it was the first in the film where I was like Okay, that came out of nowhere and there's a lot of them. That's not the only one You get the fucking colonize the comments as well And I will confirm I've worked with some og africans, right? They are not like african americans No, they're different They are probably on me. I'm quite stupid. This is wrong She makes no claim at all that her ancestors paid for these artifacts. No, I said that he said that I didn't say that she claimed who I I can't remember what the actual dialogue is exactly again. I'd have to watch the film She said something like it was found in this particular place and he said like nats fricon Yeah, like the point of the scene is he's saying it wasn't found it was stolen And Besides, uh, maybe I made that mistake fair enough like I'll just for the sake of I don't know my own video 100% so I made it a few months back. Uh, I'll let that one slide It's common knowledge that a huge number of the foreign artifacts on display in britain was stolen And for someone claiming to be an expert making any kind of claims to the country would be laughable Anyway, this whole part is just but I was criticizing what killmonger not here Yeah, because you're racist and he was referred. Yeah, okay, whatever the description of the scene with vague illusions to things The movie might be doing wrong turns out the lady has been poisoned and the medical team called in to help for some reason Hired golem or golem forced his way in like you've got to know that the I was a joke, but I guess I should have said it in a more Jokey tone I was you should have said this is a joke by the way Like they hired golem as if they went to the lord of the rings will I I understand that he's probably gonna say don't you know that they could have you know They would have been on they would have been waiting there the whole time and they dressed up as paramedics, but they weren't actually I'll be like Yeah, yeah, I get I get that I was making a joke the entire medical team was planted, right? Right, please tell me you understand that this whole part is just very vague It's all sort of like is he criticizing the film is he not it sort of so he did get the impression I might have been making a joke he got some oh so that's the second time that you've assumed the worst Potential awesome sounds like criticism, but when you actually think about it He's not really said anything about the film. So I'm just gonna skip on I still I still have to summarize plot to make sure you follow along. I don't have to spend the entire video criticizing I got to establish the facts and then tell you how they contradict other facts That's how I do my videos Yeah, but remember that's not the right way to do criticism if you that you're making You're supposed to talk about vague thematic elements And I can already tell you the reason I made sure to keep that scene in as well It's really important is because Killmonger's out of the film for like an hour and 10 minutes And I'll be like oh and now he's back remember him from all the way back in this fucking scene Actually think about it. He's not really said anything about the film So I'm just gonna skip on past it to the part where he talks about the coronation think about it He hasn't said anything about the film. Don't think about fucking Wakanda, but think Apparently in the process of being crowned king Wakandan tribes are encouraged to challenge the current ruler in mortal combats Potentially resulting in either one of their deaths and for this the black panthers powers are taken away So that the fight is fair Why in the fuck would the most advanced culture in our time be using trial by combat to dictate a ruler? So you guys follow along with that, right? You don't think I'm crazy Oh, yeah, that's I'm extremely curious what he's going to say Do we need to explain why it's bizarre to have trial by combat and the most advanced culture on on on on earth? Or is are people satisfied by the answer? It's culture I can literally not think of a country that runs by this metric today Well, at least what we notice is that there is a correlation with scientific advance and just general enlightenment as to species In every society in the world Yeah, it's just it in plastic Trial by combat basically create it. It's there's a reason nobody uses that stupid shit anymore Because that it's just dumb it doesn't make any sense. Well, that's yeah, exactly But I guarantee you he's gonna say it's a culture thing. Here we go What society based on the progress of technology and medicine and protection in general would allow the strongest person to rule Rather than the smartest or generally speaking the best suited Let's gloss over for a minute the fact that them being technologically advanced doesn't mean they have to be politically advanced and talk about Well, but generally in all examples Theoretically, he's right But it's since when do you get a culture that's got the most technologically advanced systems that also happens to be the Most culturally primitive people Yeah, these are the kind of things that you find in science fiction novels and episodes of star trek And remember like these guys are aware of other systems So I'm not yes, they know about like western civilization and the americas and europe and australia and asia They know the rest of the world exists Well, they also do like the apenoises when they come and go and so I wonder if you And I would just like them to think about that I mean if if we see an example of like Like every time to charlotte was challenged everybody realized that the guy challenging him Probably not the best choice If they can notice that trend that these violent aggressors are trying to become king Why would they not try and change the system? Exactly, that's that's what i'm trying to say with this It's like your system allows the most aggressive and body-built people to rule that doesn't sound right But they're pacifists You remember kill monger and the guy who did the oh In the mountain or whatever the first two people in the history of wakanda to kind of be violent and wanted the king to Yeah, they were the first world war one and two are raging across, you know the continents of europe and and asian stuff like that and Yeah, all sorts of these conflicts empires rise and fall from the visiting to the babelonians to the assyrians And all this stuff happened the romans carthaginians all that And nobody says wait a second. We should you know, this stuff happens Like maybe we should do something Just go with it It makes enough sense about the actual systems wakanda has in place The first detail you seem to have missed is that tribes put forward warriors to represent them It's not just the strongest person that rule. Why would they put anyone but the strongest? How are you gonna win? Yeah the weakest? Yeah, why would they? Yeah The tribe becomes the ruling candidate right the whole tribe becomes the ruling authority Based on the strength of someone let's put it this way. I don't know. I think what he's saying is whoever wins That tribe becomes in charge Pretty much, but it would still be led by the guy who who fought well. Yeah, of course And he would just be a monarchy and underneath him. There would be basically a cabinet of advisors Because nobody's allowed to disagree with what king does because kill has a precondition dictatorship Effective said made the strongest pacifist win To me this is like going okay We want trump is our candidate and the way to win the political race is a game of chess It's like Do we I don't think we should put trump up for that. Can we put someone else? Like I don't know like that you go Okay, so this one is the javelin throw to get the presidency. It's like all right. We're gonna need a person Who we not when our party is good at javelin throw and then you go, okay, this is trial by combat All right Well, John Cena, you're now the president of the united states What's first on the agenda is like, oh fuck and there's the thing It's almost like he's arguing. Yes, the strongman wins, but at least the tribe control is like no I also wonder if like they don't use steroids Maybe one of the people who tries to call and secretly take steroids and like throws them off the cliff Yeah, exactly And once they find out after the fact if This film is shown to have this a very flawed system the person who is established as ruler rules with an iron fist Nobody can question them So what's this try gonna do if they end up disagreeing with the strongman they put up to win Even even european um Monarchies didn't work like this. They still eventually had governments and conflicts between the church and the And the crown like it was never just one guy in charge of every Plus you have to remember that Wakanda's been around for thousands of years using the system at no point I guess did someone win and then say eradicate all the tribes that aren't us Apparently not Because here's the thing this is a system. This is a system that practically screams genocide This is this is my this is a really big issue with it There was no crazy people and no ambitious people that ever became king apparently Yeah, because of course in the middle of Times the king would say and that's the thing this this guy would be like well. Yeah, that's what the film tells us and i'm like It's like that's fucked up It's ambiguous whether or not this warrior has to become the ruler of Wakanda Then it's not it's not ambiguous The guy who wins is the king of Wakanda. Yeah, why else would you come here? Don't know what he means to come there to fight over monday max 100 000 subscribers play button But yeah, they They literally like crown and inaugurate or whatever killmonger the saccady beats the key It's like obviously that's that's how it works And what's so crazy is that they crown him and he knows literally where all of his enemies currently are standing And he doesn't say all right, and he doesn't say killed him That's the other thing I didn't understand. So you had like six or the other four clans, right? And then one of them suggests This this fighter called jim and then jim gets beaten then the the over to the left They go, okay, so now it's time for our fighter and freaking to charles like Can we have a break? It's like no Strongest wins you're weak now, and I guess there's never been a point when they just let a So maybe two people fight and they're both really tired at the end of it And then people they just kill both of them while they're on the ground like trying to get their breath Yeah, they they explain so little about this system. They like deliberately avoid it because it's so stupid This how does this work? It's ambiguous whether or not this warrior has to become the ruler of Wakanda If they're winning the throne for their tribe and not for themselves, it seems pretty you just invented that mate No, that but what about um when Killmonger? He doesn't have a tribe. He's not from what he He's not from Wakanda. So when he won what tribe won for him That's actually yeah, I don't know how that works even then It's just a different kind of injustice because the winner just has to snap his finger and say my tribe gets privileged status Which is It's like, you know, like every well remember shuri's position as like scientist person She would be removed because she's a part of tachalas people So you just get a random dude who's never seen any of this technology before and he's like, yeah, I'll be science dude I guess I don't know sounds like australian parliament Yeah, it's a system that tries to protect itself Like there's no reason for people like shuri and those who are in positions of privilege in the government Who are high up on the hierarchy to do whatever they can outside of the rules to ensure that someone from their tribe wins the contest Remember guys, uh, oh to figure out what's right with this movie. You just need to think about a little Let's just think the fundamental for this though. It comes down to he's like it's not necessarily true the blah blah blah And it's like you you just said all this shit that's not in the film So Whatever there's no point in responding to it because you just invented it Reasonable that they can just volunteer someone else to take their place once they've won it probably the person chosen by the Oh, that would be very magnanimous of all of them and not to mention it's not in the film That this is something that could very easily have been in the film to explain this better But you've just invented it to make the film make more sense This is what people do with the last jedi. It's what people do with if this is how it works What is even the point of the trial by calm if if the person that wins isn't necessarily the king Why would you not just have an election? Yeah, why would you not just have an election? And if they wanted to have something similar to this idea then all they would have to do is You know it is time to choose and you know it is you know 10 years have gone by five years have gone by whatever It is time to do the challenge of the juju up the mountain or whatever and so it's it's going to be a test of strength and um Wisdom and all this stuff like you have to you can't just be strong. You have to be smart and resourceful Yeah, yeah, it's like a it's like a multi-geared pass Who's the best ruler? They didn't have to go with just yeah, this is the strongest person wins because might makes right Turn that pesky braid off You'll also notice that none of the four triumphs actually expected the ceremony put forward a challenger and a shocked one the jibari tribe Show up and tried to take the throne. This is presumably because the yeah I mean that's that does we can't infer anything from that That's almost strange that none of them want to actually take the throne. They just let tachala do it They're like, okay Yeah, there's What that's very because they show how bitter they are and i'm just like I mean, it's right there. Just why are you not doing it? Why does he keep showing my video in slow motion whenever he's talking? Why couldn't he put his own visuals up for his points? I don't know. I don't know almost like i'm criticizing his editing like Expect the ceremony put forward a challenger and a shocked one the jibari tribe show up and tried to take the throne This is presumably because the ceremony at this point is more of a formality than anything Oh, wow, what? Wow way to invent another Wow, I missed the memo that it was just a formality. Yeah, apparently This is just a surprise if someone ever challenges them. It's like sure man Okay, tachala. Um, by the way at your initiation Technically somebody could just show up and kill you. Hey, man. Uh, but it probably won't it supports his pacifist theory, doesn't it? Yeah Just invent that that piece of dialogue that we'd ever heard but sure You know, honestly now all i'm thinking is what if a tribe just had a motto who comes up and shoots him in the head? After they take away the power and it's like, all right. Well, you execute him now. Who's next in line? Oh shuri I'll fight shuri. Oh, I won. I'm the king now What you're telling me nobody just came up with that simple plan Just kill him let your guy get killed and then take over Uh This that's the thing that's why I said I was so curious how we tried to defend this because I think this is like the most Indefensible thing in the film. It's so stupid And he keeps making me think of more things that are wrong than I initially thought and he keeps inventing dialogue He should be on our side We we could we would be talking about how you could have improved this to make it make more sense But no, he's he's inferring stuff and being like see that's how good it is What? Like that's not what happened and it's who is like and who can challenge him. What if an outsider challenges him? What if anybody challenge him and they just say And you then you'll be a then that'll just weed out the weak ones I'm pretty sure you have to you have to be from one of the tribes to be able to challenge but then again, how did I guess to uh Kill monger was add to the throne. He was part of the royal family Tribe has to do with say you're part of the tribe now. I guess he was in to charles tribe technically then is he? I guess sorry. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know whatever and a shocked one The Jabari tribe show up and tried to take the throne. This is presumably because the ceremony at this point Oh, oh also, that's that's just that doesn't even help any way to say that You have to be in a tribe to potentially become king because that just implies that Wakanda's an oligarchy That has privileged classes of those who can and cannot rule You know There's more of a formality than anything else Just like at a wedding when they ask if anyone knows whether there's a he's comparing trial by convert to a wedding It's like a wedding Reason the couple cannot be married or in england where the queen apparently legally owns all dolphins No one expects the queen to stop the fuck is that the same dude? How are you comparing these things? One of them determines whether or not the leader of the country the plot relies on this being taken very seriously It's not a formality The because the whole kill monger having his way in is through. Oh, yeah, this is how he wins A turkey at Thanksgiving. So wait now. Hold on. I want to double check something. Um, I will double check it But while we keep watching Okay going to zoos and taking home the dolphins no one really expects anyone to yell things out of the wedding Okay, because there's no point to take home all the dolphins in england to buckingham palace There's a point to rule the country so different. I can't believe he's comparing these this is ridiculous And if there was a character in the movie If there was a character in the movie that said oh this trial by combat Shit, it's more of a formality and then to child is like I hope so and then it plays out the scene That would make more sense, but you've just you know, this never happens I have I have now confirmed my suspicions. So in the challenge Before anybody challenges him they take away the power of black panther. So This formality what they would do is before they even know if anybody Take away your magic powers Yeah, it makes off and on a little bit go ahead and unplug and then say again Is it better now? Is this consistent now? Yeah, it sounds at this point. Yeah, um, I double check the scene So they take away the magic power before challenge So if this was just a formality They take it away Nobody challenges. So now they got to go through all the effort of giving him back to magic power for this formality I guess this guy would argue that that's all a formality too So it's a formality to just make things difficult for you Yeah, and I guess away his power They're relying on I guess doing something that's a little uncouth But the reward is you get to be the dictator of Wakanda People aren't going to give a shit if it violates social protocol if you get to be the dictator of Wakanda Just to keep the king in check since he knows his leadership can be challenged. He has to lead fairly No, it encourages him to not it encourages him to kill all who would oppose him Taking home the dolphins no one really expects anyone to yell things out at a wedding It appears that the system exists just to keep the king in check since he knows his leadership can be challenged He has to lead fairly this doesn't mean that who but it doesn't have anything to do with fairness. It's all of strength that's full of shit because T'challa's not even led yet Let's let's say for example You have crazy ape tribe and the guy in there is thinking to himself I can't wait to be king because then i'm gonna literally just take over planet earth And then he's like, yeah guys. I'm gonna lead Wakanda to a new age Fights and kills T'challa becomes king and then there is literally nothing Wakanda can do They can't stop him And besides we've already established that you have to be in one of the tribes to even be able to challenge the king In combat so that wouldn't encourage the king to be fair to Wakanda It would encourage him to basically butter up all the tribes and keep them Either if he doesn't just outright massacre them Which is of course what would actually happen in the real world because we see this all the time with Royal lines killing off other royal lines and other bloodlines and things like that so that their kids can get the throne It would encourage. Like I said, this is this is basically Just encouraging genocide or a privileged class either of them are bad one's worse than the other But this is a terrible system like he just implied like they do this so that it's like, yeah, we're being fair This king blah blah. It's like you can't be challenged in case you think he's unfit for rule and stuff It's just like what are you talking about? This guy's actually unironically arguing for the system of Wakanda Let's not adopt it. Okay, guys Whoever wants to rule Wakanda can if they're strong enough This is a tradition that's upheld with a mutual understanding and trust between the tribes This system may not be as flawless as democracy trust between the tribes in this system They are gonna backstab each other. You just said this system may not be as flawless as democracy Maybe There could be some potential issues. There's some things that could happen. I suppose this is legitimately hurting my brain Like we could have a representative republic or we could fight on a waterfall I think you should suggest that you should run on that Get a party going travel combat man But it's by no means as ridiculous as you're bending it out to be in fact, no, it's kind of more ridiculous than I applied if you think about it I'd say the only real backwards part of it is the actual use of physical combat But since it doesn't seem they ever expect to need to use that and Wakanda is clearly That's the only backward that is the only part of it. That is the part that is it Yes, the only bad part of it is the only part of it that exists Well, correct. That means you just said it's 100 bad now. Congratulations. I'm confused. What the hell The real backwards part of it is the actual use it is one out of one parts bad The actual use of physical combat. What else is it? It's a trial by combat. That doesn't even What Since it doesn't seem they ever expect to need to use that and Wakanda is clearly What do you mean they don't expect people to use that? This is literally the only time your tribe gets a chance to take over Wakanda and rule it by what you consider to be the better systems Of course, they would take the opposite. We have shown that they didn't but then actually know they did Also, what happens if two people challenge at the same time? They never show that exactly. It's a fucking problem In what world in what universe would this not be literally tribalism? You have trial by combat with no combat. What the fuck trial by trial by combat between multiple tribes with no combat Wow, I thought this would be I thought that he would have said like yeah, this is a fair point This system is retarded moving on but no, he's making a defense of it It's so weird because he's fallen back on a lot of what he's just said with this edding. It's like, yeah, the combat part is stupid It's understandable why they haven't got rid of it yet On top of that Dude, I love it. It's like, why have we gotten rid of guillotine executions? It's part of our culture, isn't it? I was keeping quick Wakanda is clearly a nation that cares a great deal about tradition. It's understandable why they haven't got rid of it yet On top of that, what is with the location and everyone's outfits? Well, I would imagine after the first You know genocidal, you know action taken people would have been like Maybe we shouldn't do this and well at which point they would be killed for bringing that up But yeah, I mean why why aren't the germans still burning the jews? I thought that was tradition Because the jews control hollywood Oh, that's true And the weird war paint stuff this is starting to feel as though they only bring in the high tech shit when it Suits the story otherwise we end up in a tribal land doing tribal stuff and things Things that aren't allowed to exist in high tech places scenic arena location. I didn't say that I did not say that What I was asking why they're fighting inside a like detractable waterfall. It's the most bizarre thing ever Do you guys remember what they're all standing as well in places that just makes you think how the fuck did you even get there? Yeah, you would basically need an airdrop or a grappling hook to get there I love how he's like bringing up this ridiculous straw man. How you have not said any of this And that beforehand he uh Was saying that you were just making things up Yeah, we haven't talked about what they're wearing at all awareness at all This is the problem for me. It's like you've got all this high tech shit You even have shurives and like a scientist outfit if you guys remember wait It's like a white thing. It's it's cut close to it But it's just like oh suddenly now they're all wearing these culturally appropriate quote-unquote things. Yeah, she had the Also, she's wearing shells Where did she get the shells from? There's no ocean So I'm not saying that makes me worse. I'm just asking just just saying I noticed something various types of traditional african dress quote-unquote war paint which again is traditional and still used Yeah, but nobody's criticism is that they wore traditional ceremonial attire. We do that today. We will probably do that into perpetuity Yeah, like a kilt if you count that. Yeah, exactly people wear kilt some people wear uniforms and Officers will carry cavalry sabers and fluffy fusiliers hats and things like that It's just nobody nobody is using that as an it's the system We're questioning the system man And you know what maybe Again to offer him some benefit of the doubt if I did say there's no way someone would have Funky face paint in an advanced Uh society then yeah, there are ways for that to happen and maybe I was brash Yeah, I mean if I have makeup in our society Yeah, like it's it's it's obviously I'm more I'm more focusing on the complete split between how advanced half of Wakanda is This is the uh the other half And the other stuff the random as I just said in in his clip I was like it seems to be whenever the plot needs it we get to be advanced And when it doesn't when we want to go back to be like tribal culture stuff Just like oh no more technology in any way shape or form It is interesting these things aren't incompatible with technology Having technology doesn't mean a nation has to put aside its traditions Especially when they're doing as if I said as if I said they are forced to or something All right, and again Not none of these things are something that mauler said in his video So why you're even bringing these up and pretending that he did say it is beyond me Oh, it's probably because you have to make up shit to and even if he was you could argue that as a society progresses Traditions that are counterproductive to the well-being of society generally fall away. Yeah, they do they typically do Yeah, that happens everywhere on earth eventually old traditions are not necessarily forgotten Or they're remembered in symbolic ways But we don't actually you know fall enact them or do them still But yeah, it's pretty jarring a lot of parts of Wakanda are just like suddenly techless entirely And you're just like huh because I don't know about you guys But some people growing up in Wakanda might be like I'll stick to all the cool tech stuff I don't really I don't follow in with the traditional. It's just it feels so Um, it's not blended is what I'm trying to say. It's so very Jarringly split. It's almost like don't forget. We're in Africa guys. Yeah, like I don't seem like people are like, oh, that's racist I was like, no, it just feels like They didn't give a shit and they didn't show the effect that having high tech and an advanced culture would have On their traditions. I think maybe if I put it that way he would have Felt better about it things like. Oh, I don't know literally a coronation. Oh, what's this horse drawn carriages Traditional clothes They're not bringing up points that I've made in favor of us They're not they're not wearing straw dresses and dancing and killing each other mate Yeah, so this is from how long ago this footage 1950s Okay, and what's the coronation of point all is about the second was Yeah, and we're talking they're doing something that would have been absolutely normal What like a hundred years ago at most While the Wakandas are doing something that was normal like over thousands of years ago. Well, yeah I mean in the 50s cars were only about 50 years old. There would have been people alive who remember horse drawn carriage Exactly. We'll look at it this way a horse drawn carriage is a sign of wealth Well, yeah, because people who own horses have money people. Yeah When light bulb came out only the rich could afford to burn Say, isn't this supposed to be one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world? What is this movie? It must be trash this fictional country of britain is ridiculous and could never really exist Like this this is a terrible fucking video so far like this is awful We're already halfway right Awful you just stripped the black panthers powers so easily is this a superpower You can just turn on and off with some purple juice Does he not have a stronger claim to the black panther than just being the son of the last guy who drank the juice? I figured it would have been in his blood or some shit in his family and his which is actually in the comics By the way, I didn't know this at the point of writing it But in the comics you have to be a part of a royal bloodline in order to make use of the royal juice Which is actually better than what they did in the film Which is no anyone could do it and you could say like no they never say anyone could do it It's like no, they never know that's kind of you know, it's funny It's the same complaint I had because I've watched iron fist season two Um, and I wouldn't recommend watching it by the way. It's not very good Um But they have a similar thing where like the power of the iron fist just starts Arbitrarily being assigned to different people Despite the fact that it seemed like it was something you got and you had forever And that nobody could take away from you I kind of I kind of prefer the idea that anybody can become the black panther if they're Like they're strong enough. Yeah, they try hard enough and not just I got the juice my point leads into I could walk up and get the juice and I'd be good I was gonna say my point leads into the fact that they have a lot of juice to spare and they don't provide it to anybody But the core What colonized whatever black panther Despite the fact you've got an entire team of people called the kingsguard that are literally meant to defend him from dying And you don't give it to them even when they go out on missions It's like it's literal juice that makes you really hard to kill To me I'm just like Okay, and then people were like, well, you can't do it for that because they're the royal blood line It's like no, that's never said in the film which would cover it if it was said in the film Yeah, if my life was on the line. Yeah, all my bodyguards. It's also not true because remember that if somebody To You cut out you cut all up there Fringy All right, the the person who beats him becomes a black panther So that don't have to be in the royal bloodline. That could be anybody in Wakanda Steve Urkel What a strange system. Anyway, this this here is counter. I suppose it kind of is in his family But I suppose you're right The only real claim he has to it is the fact that he's been trained for it his whole life The guy from the gorilla clan wait what? Is that true though? Is that how it works that you are the son of the king you become the black panther I said that seemed arbitrary to me Yeah, they trained him for his whole life because he was the son of the king What if he has like a cardiovascular illness and he just is not healthy and besides does that mean that he would still be What if he has down syndrome? What if he was a woman? Well, if he's autistic he's actually more evolved What if the king was an institution? But if yeah, if we go from just the film we get no information on this That's my complaint There were more questions I had there because the film doesn't have any answers for it It's confusing to me how this works and they just don't bother. They're just like Well, I think we had a conversation about this recently actually where I would I my impression from civil war was that The black panther and the king were not one and the same And that you had a king and you had a black panther But they can the reason why was Well, they can be the same But they're not necessarily one and the same because remember to charlotte was the black panther before he became the king It would make more sense if they were different Yeah, yeah, well wouldn't why would you send your king on espionage missions? What if he gets killed or captured you have no leadership? They are shown to do that In the beginning I know I know This is the thing there's so much and there's so much will building to do for to make black panther make sense And that's my main position about this film is they waste or they just ignore it. There was like At least you have stories like the sword and the stone, right? The sword and the stone didn't have the words arthur pendragon written on it You know, it's because you have to be you know, a special You have to be a good noble person who's worthy of it. It's not just oh, you're the king's son. So Good on you Because their technology is being run by a child and that they scoff at tradition Finally he says that to charlotte couldn't keep his own father safe So this is basically a dick of a character and whatever he means by the girl running the whole science thing We'll probably get to that dick then attacks to charlotte and after beating the shit out of him He says no powers no claws no special suit means he's just a boy Don't forget that without the suit and the tech like the balls and obviously the flower power To charlotte really is mostly useless. Are you kidding? No, no, I'm not She gets his ass kicked twice In fact at the second time he falls off Yeah, no, I'm sorry, uh, that's a big problem for black panthers. They made to charlotte lame Like without his power. I think he was lame All right, so remember that point in fucking tomb raider Um The the one with uh the one years and years ago. What's the the chick with the big lips and angelina jolly Okay, i'm gonna reference Fucking angelina jolly's fucking tomb raider movie as something you can learn from There's a scene in that film where her house gets assaulted and she doesn't have all of her fancy gear But she still takes out the guys right that shows that she's a badass even if she doesn't have her I think another good example would be a lot of times when tony stark isn't in his suit They still show him as being At doing things they do it on man three. He's either Even in iron man three the one that's not good You see him through and and age of ultron the not good avengers movie You even see him do some things without the suit. Yeah And the whole opening of captain america begins before he gets his powers He's a good righteous principled individual Even thaw even the first thaw It's yum. Yeah, he's still like a badass. Of course with hope Let's hear the counters. Let's hear the counters. Give this guy a try I mean first of all complaining that if you take away the tools He needs to use to do his highly skilled job, then he can't do it. It's just gotta say that's not what I said Yeah, he does need them though. Uh, yeah, that's what that's true But His point is like I'm saying he can't do black panther stuff without black panther stuff And it's like well, obviously it's like, yeah, but that's not what I said I'm saying that to charler alone. This guy was right to charler on his own sucks It's a fair criticism. It's why I'm not invested in his character Yeah, he only just barely wins this fight and then he gets demolished Because it's like, yeah, no, he can't if I had no computer the one marketable skill I currently have would be gone Oh That sounds a lot about that says a lot about you then it kind of does I guess but but still that's not what I said He's he's arguing a straw man. It's not what I took away a marksman's gun. Oh, they're fucking useless Um, you took away iron man's suit and he's not useless You take away cap shield. He's not useless This is so he's not giving me any benefit Take away my big ass dick and I still got hips like fire I Guess the only other example I can think of is maybe like peter quill because he's just a guy So if you take away his rockets and all that then he can't much but he is just a guy And he's in the team. So it's it's not the same. He's not the leader of a sovereign state Took away a marksman's gun. Oh, they're fucking useless take away black panther's suit and juice It's funny. He's saying all this when black panthers getting beaten by yet another dude Who doesn't have the suit the tech anything we're looking at black panther on the ground like beaten Right now on this frame I might be on a different frame. Oh, there you go Highly trained in combat tactics and leadership and is able to want to fight with a guy Significantly larger than him just after being stabbed and by the way it is very why did he get stabbed because he sucks? That's why Uh, this is stupid. He's not even listed to be strange that dick forgot to mention the balls Hey, you know what's still funny that joke the name man. You said it was funny earlier I'm sorry that it just didn't last on you. I giggled just a second. I literally giggled like two seconds ago because it was funny Yeah, dick said he had no balls I just giggled because I'm a Yeah, and if he said the jokes are childish, I'd be like absolutely He's like, yeah, you bet but laughter laughter is laughter, man Surrounding spear people are all poking closer and closer to raise the tension Though I just wonder if they realize that they are dictating the length of the fight since the challenges can't fucking move with them Being that close. Yes. I do think they realize they're doing that. Actually. I think that's probably specifically white. They're there other rule What you think the spear people are in control of how long this fight is allowed to last That's my point Why would that even be a thing? Yeah, that's why doesn't one of the spear guys stab them and be king I was commenting on like the film making so he's The camera keeps panning to these people going like oh And getting closer and closer and you're like, oh god, we're getting to the climax Like you feel that as an audience member, but I was just like take a step back and realize These guys getting closer and closer forces the fight to end. They're not letting it end fairly They're making that's a mention. This doesn't this doesn't happen when he fights kill monger. Exactly guys Yeah, are they like they're by committee? Are they like an interloping mariachi band equivalent? But no, he just has the end of the fight or he has the sarcastic response where he's just like, uh, yeah, obviously No, he's not catching what I'm saying at all. Is he It's like everyone in this scene doesn't want to be there shrugging their shoulders all day watching this fight So like can I come down now? They're like guys push forward push forward at the fight push forward. They're like, okay Mommy can I just tell you I do think they realize they're doing that actually I think that's probably specifically white. They're there. I get a strong h-bomber guy vibe from that little bit there by the way Super smug It's like the doesn't address the point. It's like smugness is a replacement for an argument Well, he keeps going back to the balls joke So the rules actually that anyone can just challenge after another challenge has been done because that would just mean that I would wait, you know If I was a member of one of these clans I would allow someone else to challenge first and then go in second because you know You're probably gonna have better chances, but fuck it. Let's just move on Yeah, if more than one tribe had wanted to challenge for the throne that really would have been a valid point You'd raise that wouldn't why wouldn't no it is a point because why didn't multiple tribes not do that And not not just that that implies does that never happen in history and and finally I said if I said if I didn't say this should have happened. I said I mean if that's how it works I think the fact that didn't happen like that raises more questions. I want to know why other tribes weren't on that shit It's like Are you telling me that like every tribe aside from one was like, yep to Charles the perfect leader We don't have our own ideas at all. Yeah, you think back at clan Ferret or whatever they're like, hey guys, they're electing the new king. Do you want to go and no? Okay, all right. Yeah, we're staying home this time Yeah, one of the guys with the big lip frisbees want to do something like I can smack him with my lip. It could take a spear Uh, wolf that's an ad home Okay But the power of the black panther truly is from a plant it gets crushed up into juice you drink the juice Then you become a superhero. It's that simple. It's essentially the super soldier program that hydro are running Only it's way better and it comes from a plant a plant. They have like 50 of that grow back Okay, why the fuck wouldn't Wakanda supply this drug to its military the people who guard the leaders It would make them so much better at their jobs considering how easily this power is provided Especially considering how much danger they put in throughout this film and how one of them is even killed I can't remember if any more than one is but yeah I'm curious how he's going to defend this one. There are so many to spare. That's just silly What's with the counter juice by the way? It's said in the beginning that the initial flower power came from plant life being infected by the vibranium Did it also create a counter flower power at the same time? Do you guys follow that? Yeah, it's pretty odd that they have a counter juice. It's like, how does that work? Where did that come from? Okay, I'll play the devil's advocate. Well, it's it's really simple The guy who wins the fight and is the new black panther All he has to do is say destroy the antidote so no one can take this power away from me Yeah But uh, hang on You know what tinfoil hat maybe he's gonna argue The we're supposed to assume that taking flower power twice negates it Right But what what is the dosage of the flower? No, it's like per swallow or is it per serving or swallow or Well, that's a thing. Is it one fruit per? Is it one each or? But hey, you know, he hasn't said that so I'm not gonna listen. Let's leave him alone. He hasn't said it That's just silly I mean actually I'd guess that that exists for pretty much the same reason that any antidote exists And that is that humans reverse engineers. How is it an antidote? What wouldn't an antidote be for something? That's bad. I'm not asking why it exists in terms of like functionality. I'm saying where did it come from? How is it created? Like I don't need to know what its function is. I understand that You think that I mean imagine a movie where the bad guys their whole thing was that hey, we basically found You know african kryptonite Let's use this against black panther And then black panther has to fight without his powers for a while But he still kicks ass because he's he's a badass character. Yeah, that'd be cool But that's the movie they didn't make and yeah, and I'm happy by the way if you'd go Okay, yeah, it doesn't really make much sense that there was also a plant growing that apparently negates the power power But can you ignore it? And I'd be like, yeah, it doesn't it's a bit weird And it allows them to have their trials by combat, which is why it's kind of a problem But I'd let it go but no, he's like no it makes sense because it's Um I'm not even sure. Let me go back It's with the counter juice by the way It's said in the beginning that the initial flower power came from plant life being infected by the vibranium Did it also create a counter flower power at the same time? That's just silly I mean actually I'd guess that it exists for pretty much the same reason that any Antidote exists and that is that humans reverse engineered the juice to create Whoa, okay. So he's saying that they would have analyzed it as a thing and then created a negative vision In the same way that we do for like, I don't know Whatever it is we do on our planet, but it's just like you just invented that that never happened in the film Yeah, that's off by saying I guess. Why do you have to guess? Like really you could have easily had a line from shuris Then we could be like, oh that makes sense because they just pulled it out of their ass They're like, yeah, he has a juice that can remove his powers. Just in case in case a black panther becomes too tyrannical or evil We have this to stop him I just solved your problem and it took two seconds and I didn't get paid Really, not what I included this clip to talk about I just felt like I hadn't spoken for too long and this felt like a good of a time as any to interject something I'm a professional You take it once and unless you have the counter juice It apparently works for life Considering the fact that it's a re-growing plant from the first tribes who ever set foot on wakanda You could have easily provided the entire population of wakanda the ability to heal fast and lift huge weights while being agile and fast And you chose not to that's just silly Is it a genuine rule that I know that someone's going to counter with you don't give your entire As the government you wouldn't give everyone tanks I'd just be like you're in you're improving quality of life like massively Yeah, this isn't giving everyone tanks. It's not making everybody healthy We'll see if that's a mention. This doesn't mean that everyone gets the black panther suit that bulletproof and has the closet I'm talking about health improvements massive health improvements But people who are crowned king are the only ones that are allowed to have the flower power If that's the case and how did t'challa have this power in civil war before being crowned king and because he's apparently the warrior And the warriors also get it as well as the kings unless the kings are old and then they don't get it But only warriors who are the king's son get it all the other warriors fuck that see what I mean It gets confusing and let's just leave her alone. I suppose it's the answer, but he's no no discuss it while I go take a piss Well, so I was looking at that waterfall for so long, you know, it's okay. So but um Yeah, like if I think I'm about to say I hope he plays it But like why would you ever have taken the flower power away from his dad? Like even as you know, he dies in the explosion if he had flower power it probably wouldn't have killed him Like to me is strange that because what is it is the concern that he might kill people or something like I don't I don't really follow But um We'll wait for rags to return for the rebuttal So how you guys feeling about this uh everything wrong with My video video. Well, I'm not very impressed I can say that I would not subscribe Is he tackles cinema sins usually and like I'm not I'm not trying to be vain here But like cinema sins is way easier to tackle than I usually make my videos because I'm pissed off at the film and I usually like to get the details Relatively right So it's going to be harder to take me down compared to cinema sin Like that's pretty much shown by the fact he's already said he agrees with some of the stuff I've said and skipped over lots of bits It's also shown by the fact that he has straw manned you misrepresented your arguments not addressed your Inmade things to support his good point. I could try and do some super chats while we wait for the ragerinos. Um Okay, so going back to the beginning have it. Have it always back All right, I will do it between videos. Let's let's continue. Anyway, is it just something? Oh god, I forgot we're gonna do that outside of Wakanda We'll know because we've already seen that that isn't true several times So, you know what I agree it is kind of silly They don't give that power to anyone else when they so clearly could I mean It's not film ruining for me because people in real life do silly things all the time Patrick Williams has had sex and had a son. Let's hear that again. That's a beauty That goes in our little trophy case. Well, no because we've already seen that that isn't true several times So, you know what I agree It is kind of silly. They don't give that power to anyone else when they so clearly could I mean, it's not film ruining for me because people in real life do silly things all the time and And let me explain to you why that defense is shit because you're assuming that nobody ever in the history of Wakanda ever said Hey, maybe we should give this to all of our warriors Hey guys, why does every single king have this retarded idea through our entire history everybody the chats go like it's patrick Oh, this is Patrick Oh my god, he actually said it Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's it's we should probably call it like your honor my my client is insane Temporary insanity defense for video game or movie really any narrative Someone said he brought up the fact that it was like if you think about it a little bit There's just like if you think about it, they're insane Okay Clearly could I mean it's not true Because people in real life do silly things all the time and as traditions that seem pretty pointless go this one isn't that bad But you know what it is still pretty silly the thing is yeah, we're just traditionally This one ain't that bad, but it's silly. It's like what are you saying? Is it is it bad or is it Questions you asked at the end there you just demonstrated that you haven't really been paying attention Because the answer is No, it's not it's reserved for the king and the black panther You dick Might not Well, yeah, that's the other thing we don't even know this for sure the film does not explain this stuff Have to be the king if the king is no longer fit to be black panther If he's too old for example, he can pass down the mantle. He also hang on my point wasn't that that's not the case I know that's the case. I'm saying it's stupid Can the black this is a small thing, but can the black panther not have long here? I don't know I don't know But uh, yeah, it as as he sounds like he agreed with me and then said but it's displayed in the film as this is a fact And i'm sitting here thinking like Well, yeah, that's my problem It's precisely my problem Saying things like oh if that's the case and how did he have the power in civil war? If you're really thinking about it that much Why have you not come to the one logical conclusion that you can actually find from this the thing that actually happens I was to charlotte the black panther before he had been through the coronation exactly We know that we have to infer because the film's never actually say it. There's never a line that says the black panther uh I don't know once the king reaches a certain age once the king gets to Something he stops being the black panther and then his son takes over until he dies and then his son also There's a there's a fight to become the new king. It's very like vague But i'm happy to accept that that's how it works and that I could have been more charitable to say that that's probably how it He's already said my main point was valid though Which is the the flower power should be delivered throughout the civilization and at least the king's guard It is it is odd This film takes place after civil war because they have helmet zemo in custody and on the news So shouldn't he have the power after his time in that film? How how have you thought about it? How have you thought about the movie more than I did I plead temporary insanity you can't get me now Is is his defense really that you're correct? But you thought about it So I don't what's his point I'm not sure but I mean this is this is the thing this is one of the few points I made after the major one so even if you like you got me on this one Which I would happily be like okay fine, but what about the other stuff which you agreed with me on Don't you think that that's more important as much, you know, whatever. Let's just keep keep on this one I guess the timeline it fits just in case civil war is actually set after this, but you haven't thought Oh, maybe His dad dies in civil war and it's in he's dead in black panther No, they used they used they used fibranium juice to revive his father On the waterfall Besides, yeah, it's pretty weird for me to have picked that up if I wasn't paying attention, right? Yeah, if I wasn't thinking about it, I wouldn't have tried to get that connection But you know because remember when you showed me civil war, right when I watched it with you I was like asking who's this guy? Who's that guy? I don't remember these people God isn't it just amazing how like every single person that defends these movies just happens to be a fucking idiot Dude, if we keep getting quotes from people saying that these these characters are just insane like I just want to collect them Because they're the best defense I've ever heard timeline it fits just in case civil war is actually set after this But you haven't thought oh, maybe the black panther doesn't have to be the king He takes a stroll down some street in Wakanda that honestly does not seem like something You could possibly see in the most advanced society in the modern age You couldn't see this in a techno look Well, maybe let me revise my statement. You wouldn't expect it. You could see it like in the slums of maybe You know like when you have um Blade runner for example, it's like oh, it's really advanced, but if you go to certain places It's all run down because it's like the lower class area But that's not really I don't know if that's valid for Wakanda because the whole is supposed to be utopia as he said Yeah, it's supposed to be a xenophobic pacifist utopia So let me clarify. It's not that it's impossible. It seems very much unlikely considering the information in Wakanda, but Yeah, okay, it is an odd sight Like I said when you look at the scene one would assume that there is a two-tier society Yeah Someone pointed out a pacifist war rhinos I'm not killing you my rhino is though. It's completely different But yeah, I'll give it to him. I should have been more explicit Particularly advanced society. Well, I'm really looking forward to your explanation of that They got some outside grill with wood and rags propping up shelters trading and bustling as though They're in some third world country in a heaving marketplace, right? So this is like a third world country because it's got a busy marketplace this lens No, that's no come on. Give me a little bit more benefit of the doubt with what I said I'm clearly implying they're using low-grade materials They've got like barely any kind of system or control is sort of just slap dash and having fun roads even paved Exactly. It's like come on, dude. You don't if he was here right now I would be like do you really have to sell me this short like come on Do you do whatever by that you claim to be a grill propping up some rags couldn't possibly exist in the same nation as technology? Because of technology just vaguely. Is technology is a spear by the way It's just technology that's old and then you've got new technology when I see this I don't think you know, this is a utopia people are walking in the streets Like like there's not sidewalks with roads that people are using vehicles to move around even though there is transport And you can see it look people are walking on the tram lines Yeah, people are walking in the tram lines the trams have to be like, oh don't hit everybody just walking in the road You know like in civilization we have sidewalks because our vehicles travel down the middle of the road In our weight cultures that if you have technology that means that busy marketplaces go away Everyone that's not what I said But you know if you think that's what I said then go ahead knows that okay Let's skip ahead a bit until I have something else to talk about okay So this well, what about my points that are actually good, man I know this video is called everything wrong with but could you at least give me some benefit of the doubt in terms of What about the way you're portraying me to your audience right now? Like have I said anything reasonable? We need everything That one time because this is the thing I showed all of h bomb the guys video and I even said there was like three different parts I think where I was like this is a fair point He's actually I have to do that in my video because I'll be going through the whole thing and I'll be like yeah, I agree They're right. Let's continue See him continues and it is revealed that this is the guy from get out It's his farm and he he um he farms He farms right. He fucking farms rhinos. Why the goddamn hell is he farming rhinos? Well, baller don't you understand? They're war riders therefore They're generally stationed around the impenetrable forest in kitten. Give it a snack. Why is this normal? What the who farms? I know that this is totally I just made a video where he's like finally admitting that he's flagging people and apologizes. Oh good It's only been like what three four weeks It's been a while. It's it's been a little longer than that. Wait. What sorry Monday Matt finally posted an apology. Oh my god Maybe it's probably because he it's probably because he went to myth con and like met people and talked with people in person like Yeah, because if I met him in person I'd be like Do you want to let's put down with this video? Do you want to check out that one instead of down with Well, it's only two and a half minutes. Oh, yeah Come on, then let's do it. There's no reason not to farm rhinos. They're not a traditionally domesticated animal short, but they produce rhino milk Milk Don't use cows. Don't use goats. Don't use Use rhinos Of course, it makes it only makes sense that if you want milk, you would use a rhino It's not funny. They're supposed to be the disguised part where we look at them from the outside and go Oh, they're just rhino farmers. How fucking confusing is that? You're like, you guys are farm rhinos Raise an eyebrow rhino milk She's not a traditionally domesticated animal short, but they produce milk. They probably produce quite a lot of meat plus they produce Whoa, rhino I'm just gonna put this out there. It seems like you're far more likely died farming rhinos than any other animal Hey guys, listen, let me explain to you why we have a tiger farm because we want milk and food It's a hippopotamus farm. We milk the hippos. Just don't get too close to that mouse. We have a t-rex farm for its milk I just want to read you guys this I looked up do people eat rhinos in response to His meat and the very first thing it comes up with is eating rhino is not at all common Rhino meat is still quite valuable as exotic meat. There are roughly 275 Some matron rhinos left. We'd like to keep some around. So please don't eat rhino meat Christ sake this is the thing right a reasonable normal human being just goes Yeah, it's kind of silly that they're trying to farm rhinos But no, you have to defend it as someone just pointed out in chat as well Have you noticed that this is held together with sticks and straw the uh, the rhino pen So what happens if the rhino just feels like walking a bit further? Obviously, obviously they're using vibranium fences. Okay. I also I looked up what animals produce milk that humans can drink And it comes up with buffalo goat sheep camel Donkey horse reindeer yak and cattle Nowhere does it say rhino hey just doing a google search is too much research for Now all I'm thinking about is what if like if somebody sits underneath a rhino Or it's just crying milk it like what takes a step back and crushes your head Who would ever do this? What if it decides it doesn't want to be milked anymore and impales you on its horn Yeah, rhinos will fuck you up. What am I boss just said that's not milk you get him from the rhino Listen, listen, it's tradition. Okay Everyone knows that in Wakanda every Friday you drink the rhinos come This just makes sense. All right It's tradition This is to clarify We all know the actual reason that these rhinos are here and that's the payoff in the battle The whole reason they're here, but it's stupid. That's the point. They're stupid. They shouldn't be here Just because you have well, there's no reason that technology And rhino come drinking can't exist together in this You know, all this just makes me think of because a lot of people I'm surprised they didn't do zebras But again zebras are not like horses. They'll kick you in the face Anyway, you can't really domesticate Goats would be the assumed answer wouldn't we have goats cows? And if they're just because they're isolationists, they're like, oh shit cows are fucking useful as shit They're docile. They give you milk for a long time. You can domesticate them They, uh, won't impale you to death. You could eat them apparently rhino milk is mainly water 0.2 fat Well, that's a lot of work It's not a lot of payoff Oh, this is fantastic This is like the worst stardew valley animal you can possibly make I just cannot fathom that of all the defenses he could possibly make for why he's farming rhinos Is that he had to come up with well, maybe you can milk them or eat them which literally nobody in the world does Maybe you can milk the rhino Congratulations. You are stretching it to such an insane extent that you had to make up something that no one on earth Actually dies and they never stay this in the field as well. They just have the rhino Just Milk the rhinos guys milk the right and then whatever you need Why is this normal? What the fuck who farms fucking rhinos? There's no reason not to farm rhinos. They're not a reason Just because literally nobody does it doesn't mean there's not a reason. Yeah, everybody chose not to do it Guys, I mean, there's no reason to farm rhinos, but there's also no reason There's no reason not to farm grizzly bears Someone in Someone in chat just say a reason to farm rhinos would be to try and save their population which again is like well Yeah, that's fine. Like well, no If you wouldn't yeah, if you want to save the rhinos, you ride the battle the pacifist rhinos god damn it Their their horns are great for whatever animal sure, but they produce milk They probably produce quite a lot of meat plus they produce ivory a material that we come You gotta fucking kill it hang hang on. Does a rhino produce ivory? I don't know The google I think what is a rhinos horn made of Uh, it is made up of keratin a protein found in hair fingernails and animals. It's just not ivory It's not iron. It's not. Yeah Like the horns of many species in cattle rhino horn is not made of bone It is made of keratin a protein also found in our hair and fingernails Yeah, and if you kill a rhino's horn it grows back and that is how you do research Okay. Okay. Okay. So let me get this straight in this man's world strange Fucked up universe. You can milk rhinos You eat them You far you farm them because why the hell not And they have ivory These are what condom right now, so we're just highlighted. He's literally advocating for harvesting ivory Okay, yeah, there's no reason we shouldn't fucking kill all the elephant So anyway, let's keep Because rhinos are in danger, but if they were a domesticated farm animal, this would no longer be an issue Dude, if I got this right we'll play it again I thought he just said it wouldn't be ethical if there was a low population But this is stopped by the fact that we can farm them You're saying it's ethical once you're able to multiply their numbers that you Kill them eat them and take them like I'm not I'm not saying I'm trying to imply that he's like Going at this from a point of view that um is like it's a necessity But now he's like turned it into Well, no, it's ethical if you can keep creating them I mean, I understand what he's saying is like if there were only two chickens left in the world You could say it's unethical to make them extinct But if there were a billion chickens in the world, then you're like, okay, that's more ethical to eat them Isn't the ethical principle still the same? Kind of I mean, it depends if it's a conservation of nature Like you can still eat meat and be you know pro nature because you're not making anything extinct Someone said ethical pacifist slaughter I just love the the pacifist rhino. It's just just a fun concept He got in so much trouble when he declared that they were pacifists They're not a traditionally domesticated animal, sure, but they produce milk They probably produce quite a lot of meat Plus they produce ivory a material that we currently consider unethical because rhinos are in danger But if they were a domesticated farm animal, this would no longer be an issue Well, it's not it's not like if if people went out into the wild and cut off a rhino's horn and just left Then I don't think people would have a problem with it People have a problem because they kill the rhino so that it's safe to take the whole look I think a good example would be that people like for whatever reason in china Great white shark fin is a delicacy So they'll get the shark cut off its fin while it's alive and put it back in the water And then it dies because it can't swim. That's insanely good. That's unethical. That is that's awful Whether there were 10 billion of them or like only one left cutting off a part of a live animal And then leaving it to die is unethical. Yeah, there's a reason why when we slaughter animals It's instantaneous and quick and they kill bengal tigers and eat their fucking dicks. That's That is unethical. That's kind of what I was getting at. He's like the only thing that determines whether it's ethical is how many Rhinos and that's to me. I'm like feels like we're missing something there like It's more complicated than that. Plus it's like the the risk reward aspect of a rhino versus like a cow or a goat You know, it's like It's stupid. Why can't he just say yeah, it's dumb moving on. This is what I mean He's stretched really far just to say that this isn't silly. It's not even a it's not film breaking. I just point out that it's silly That's all Yeah, it's like this is strange hill to die on because the reason it's in the film is because they said wouldn't it be exotic In africa e if they rode rhinos into battle and like, yeah, that would be fucking cool as shit You know, I don't have a problem with them riding rhinos into battle I'm fine with that. So sure fine. They ride rhinos at the battle. Sure. That's fine But don't try to be like this makes sense apparently someone pointed out that there's a cow in the background There is a cow in the back. Oh my god. How could the rhinos don't fuck up the cow? That's all pointed out. I don't know how true this is But it'll be interesting to think about if we actually got facts on this But if rhinos are endangered throughout earth, it's pretty interesting that there's this giant rhino reserve in This place no relief workers are allowed to go to it'd be like Can we can we help you out? Or can we have some of the rhinos that we can you know develop them to and they're just like No, don't come here like there are rhinos We need them for their milk. We need them for their ivory You've been killing them for their ivory for 2,000 years with some guys like, you know, they don't have ivory, right? just like Basically what you've done is seen something out of the ordinary and gone. Oh, why would you do that? That's crazy because Especially because there are elephants in Africa that have ivory and they're like these two don't these toes don't match It is reasonable to be saying that something out of the ordinary is crazy Like it depends on context. He says that like that's just definitive like if someone's eating their own face I'd be like that's crazy Yeah, look, let's let's take a look at the word right the word extraordinary is composed of two words Extra and ordinary It is extraordinary It is ordinary plus one might even say Strange strange thing to say. Oh, it's unusual without actually giving any reasons why it's a bad idea. Anyway, after I didn't think I had to I didn't think I thought it was plain to you. I thought it was common fucking it was self-evident while you don't I don't think we proved the point when his counters were that you milk rhinos Oh my god He's gonna make a part two There's gonna be a part two and we'll we'll happily respond. This has been a lot of fun to be This has been this has been fucking terrible. Has he made one point? There's been a couple things that I could have said more explicitly But I already had those regrets before seeing this response. I already knew that that was the case for my black man's video More like verification issues. Yeah, and it's what happens when you rushed to make the video This was came out a week and this is why he's had months What the hell is this? Why couldn't he google? I at least have an excuse He sat down at his script. He was like rhinos. Why would you read that? Probably at least one. Yeah, is it milk? And meat you can eat rhino meat and their horns are made out of ivory, right? Yeah, let's write that down I don't need to do that molla molla. I don't let me know. I don't catch they care Oh Wow That's been mean for no reason, but okay Yeah, I don't even care Is like what when I tell I If I respect somebody in a video that I'm talking about I don't just say I don't care what your name is I figure he'd want to be able to pronounce my name correctly if he was going to address me But apparently not it is molla Whether or not you care That's why it's that's why it's spelled literally like the word moller But a lot of people think that it might be molla because of the capital l which I don't blame them for But once I let them know it should be right, but yeah, he doesn't care Why do you capitalize the doesn't he doesn't care about pronunciation I mean, he just wants to rip into the fact that I don't accept milking rhinos as a as a Does that molla molla? I don't let me know. I don't actually care Complains about claw for a while says the word bald some more because that's still funny And then moves on to the scene where black Panther gears up to charlotte then engages with his plan and so meets the Wakandan equivalent of q She gives him an ear thingy that lets you talk to and spy on people She makes a what are those reference which made me question my own existence And finally q has taken his balls and upgraded them to interface with something I don't know his balls are overpowered as fuck and they do everything whatever moving on q Let's black panther know that his new shoes will make absolutely no noise when using them They are 100 sound absorbent. This doesn't come up again in the film whatsoever But before he responds to it Did you do you follow my problem there? They put this effort to be like you've got new shoes They make no noise and it never comes up again It's to make a joke. Yeah That's the thing it's it's the kind it's incompetent writing because you leave the audience like oh setup And it's like no payoff. You're like, why did you tell us that then it's like because it was a joke Like you gave him this amazing technology Just for a joke. It's like, okay That's a bit odd. James Bond uses his gadgets. Also, we've established that stealth doesn't mean anything anyway, so Okay, depending on the circumstances. Yes, and Like why would anybody really want these in this context unless you were a spy? Well, that's the thing. I was actually interested in seeing how they're going to make use of this But they don't and it's like oh because they would it's for a silly self-milking When the rhino is sleeping The reference I had for James Bond was um An example of how you do comedy while setting these things up So he gives him all of his tools and he's like this is what this does and it's gonna play And then he picks up the the sandwich or the baguette or whatever and he's like, what does this do? He just grabs it. He goes, hey My lunch my lunch. Yeah, it's like because yeah because you expect it to be a gadget But it's just a sandwich. Yeah, it's good stuff But this is solely for the joke. It's like, okay He doesn't use this ability or feature the entire reason this exists is so that q can tell black panther a joke She says that she calls the shoes that make no noise Sneakers, so this isn't a problem for me. First of all, if the movie wants to dedicate 30 seconds to telling a joke That's fine by me. I quite like jokes and it gets bonus points for using it to build a relationship between the two Yeah, I mean this is this is kind of I'm not going to say it's a it's a detrimental issue at all It's just it betrays the intentions of the writing. It wasn't very clever. I suppose is what I would argue But yeah, and it's it's comedy if it works for you it works for you if it doesn't then Okay. Yeah, I I I know a lot of people laugh to the joke I was in the cinema where a couple people giggled and I was sitting there just like wow that was cheap Yeah, but the thing is it comes at the expense of introducing it an extremely potentially useful thing That could be used in a lot of useful ways Like sneaking behind somebody or whatever or maybe Shuri could have used it to sneak somewhere. Who knows it It could have been used in the film and it wasn't it was only there for a joke I wonder if he's gonna have any more critiques for me about that Well, on top of that, I quite like the fact that we get introduced to gadgets that never get used It's a nice way to avoid falling into the cliche of being given exactly the gadgets you need to solve the mission That's exactly what happens his bull's soul of everything Because you miss that it literally heals a spider wood. I can't wait for him to get to that point I was gonna justify that he likes the idea of someone getting something and then never using it Um, I'm not sure that he said that let's go back again Quite like jokes and it gets bonus points for using it to build a relationship between these two as well He says he like sorry just to cut in he said he likes that it builds a relationship between these two And then let's the footage of Thor play in the background It's like what do you mean that way what On top of that, I quite like the fact that we get introduced to gadgets that never get used It's a nice way to avoid falling into the cliche of being given exactly the gadget Oh, right So his point is he likes that they introduce gadgets that don't get used because it subverts the expectation that every gadget They get given is always going to be super useful I hate the subverting expectations bullshit. Yeah, but yeah, but it's really rewarding And it's a payoff when he uses something later that was given to him previously Yeah, like how about you expand on that stealth shit he did for two seconds? Yeah, instead of just whipping out some McGuffin from his asshole and using that to Problem he's like it's a good thing. I brought such and such later How about you use that moment to go? Hey, by the way, I've updated the bulls now So they can stabilize wounds and then it'd be like what that sounds amazing It's like yeah with our new medical tech and say a bunch of words that make sense in some biological context And then you could be like, okay, cool. So at least we go Oh, so when the guy gets shot in the spine, you can bring the ball out. Okay, but no, that doesn't happen He prefers it when Whatever You need to solve the mission you have, you know that thing that people always make fun of the Bond movies for It's nice to see that subverted once in a while after this scene Do they make fun of the Bond movies you're doing that? He made fun of the pronunciation by name Really? I thought you talked about me with stale jokes. Yeah, you know that thing that people always make fun of the Bond movies for It's nice to see that subverted once in a while after this scene Starts complaining that the Black Panther's power Well, I mean you had to do that on purpose though. Oh, yeah, there's anything this video needed. It's very well You have to mispronounce that on purpose It would be like if I Prominounce rags named ray gs It's like It's rags the dishonest broth frangy Fringy well to be fair. I thought it was fringy at first too. Yeah, most people do yeah, because fringe is a word Right, but fringy isn't so yeah, you see In that case in that case it is fairly mispronouncing it and that's fine. Okay, let him go guys Let him go It's nice to see that subverted once in a while after this scene Maola starts complaining that the Black Panther's power just comes from his suit and the juicy drinks because if there's anything this video needed It's more of that. That's okay. Look. I'm sure he won't mention it again But to charlotte just has the flower power mauler. I gotta tell you your comment on his video was too nice for this It was I hadn't seen the video yet, but uh Hey, man, it's not like I did not deserve that amount of dude. This this is going to go up publicly This will be a permanent stain on the fucking video he's made Like he's not getting out of this one. This is a full response with me and three other people who could Fucking confirm and a whole chat of people watching and listening. You're not getting out of this one It's like it's your rhino milk did not solve the problem But yes, uh, I probably did reiterate the fact that to charlotte was useless without the flower power and the And the soup because of the fact he's the protagonist And he's got nothing special about him beyond the arbitrary gifts of his culture It's to imply that captain america would be nothing without the the serum, which isn't true He's got a huge all of his entire character is all in the film the strength allows him to act on his character Iron man is the same exact thing his suit allows him to exact his principles um We don't even like do you guys You don't even understand charlotte really In the film you don't get much about him. You're just kind of like He wants to do what's right. I think Well, I think the way that they wanted to frame that his arc would um Lead, you know the arc throughout the story leads him to basically become An open like to lead Wakanda into an open and transparent so the age And I guess the only motivation was that secret that doesn't make sense Yeah, I was gonna say like this ties into the secret because The whole film is an arc of him going from isolation to open borders or at least semi open borders And the reason he does is because he finds out about the secret But the secret doesn't make any sense and therefore his character is confusing. Yeah, the catalyst of his character Is weird and strange Yeah, that's it Okay Yeah, let's move on Was T'Chaka stripped of the power of the black panther when he spoke for Somalia Seems like he probably wouldn't have died if he still had the power of the panther So that means they would have stripped it from him, right? I mean not necessarily We don't really know how much the black panther can take without his suit to check it out. Oh come on He could have survived it. Well, what do you mean? Yeah, we did caused college The explosion he lived. Yeah, he was right next to it. He might actually have been close Yeah, that's bullshit And also he would have had the reflexes to get out of the way probably there's a lot of This black panther juice is very very good. Like there's no It's very good As you wonder explosion at very close range to me that he literally Literally counted your own point by accidentally showing footage of my We don't know that he'd survive Sure, man, I don't really scream. He no longer has the panther powers So that means they would have stripped it from him, right? Because I mean, it's not like you can bring the juice out of people to provide it to another person So can you guys imagine when Tochaka gave up the mantle that they just took his powers instead of letting him live his life with it? Like he's just sitting there thinking to himself, you know, I've got increased healing better agility speed And I'm really old. So can I just keep it and they're like, no See, I think that's a valid point It's like if I was getting old I'll be like Yeah, a reptile dysfunction, I don't think so I got panther dick So the area of the drinking the ride. Oh milk provides that as well basically That will condons care about tradition. It's tradition that only the current black panther has this power Yeah, it's the answer is tradition. My whole point was that it's stupid. I don't care. It's traditional. No, this is really stupid I assume it's tradition. That's my whole premise of my point I honestly really doubt he was even asked to give it up the logical assumption when watching this film is that when he came too old Wait, where does the doubt come from exactly? I assume he's saying that Tochaka would have been on board with releasing his powers because that's how tradition works And I'm again saying that's silly. That's just silly. It's like my catchphrase It's just silly dude become like he gave up the powers himself because that's what he's supposed to do He did it because that's what he does Okay, right. So I might have believed that the very first black panther Did the same thing. Yeah, no, and then they set that as a trend Look, his answer to that would be well, maybe maybe not but they set it as a rule at some point and now it's a rule Okay And again, what if one of them is just like nah, I'm the king. You can't tell me to give it I have complete rule over here That's actually the part that gets me is that it's not when the king well as a result The king is still the king and he has to lose it. It's like that seems weird Yeah It's like he just says I'm keeping it and He's the king and he didn't even try to make it make sense. He just said tradition It's like, oh, I'm glad that you have this fucking get out of jail freak out for every criticism I have Tradition and and don't forget people are also insane. There is two defeats The fact and rhino milk the three you assume someone had to make him give it up shows You don't really understand what these people are That was the joke if you caught it when I said he was sitting down and they went give it up He was like, can I keep it and they went no That was a joke, dude But uh, yeah, there's anything it shows that these people are a bunch of assholes Yeah, and and if he was on board your grandmother and grandfather had the panther juice And they would like be healthy and long lived and they wouldn't have you know, like dementia or Alzheimer's or anything You're like, sorry grandma. You got to give it up. You got to be weak and Literally gives up and then breaks the hip all the way out Oh, she jumps through the window. You'll never take me alive That would make for a better film Pachala Michonne and not girlfriend meet with some old lady and they get into a secret high-class gambling slash trading area In the middle of some fish market Okay, they scope out the place and discover a handful of guards that will prove more than likely to be a problem As well as bilbo baggins who was simply hanging out and waiting for golem to trade some diamonds for the vibranium He has bilbo says he didn't call attention to black panther's suit in exchange for black panther supplying helmet zemo from civil war So they are even and shouldn't attempt to cross paths soon after golem But how do you know that one film comes before the other? Uh because of reader response theory mate Oh, okay an entire entourage that rush past the old lady and through the sensors An entire entourage that rush past the old lady and through the sensors despite having plenty of guns The characters comment on this but we get no reasoning as to why they're allowed through with guns We don't even know what this place really is or who owns it But fuck it. It's dramatic and the nameless bad guys need their pew-pews. This is a form of film Oh, he's one fucking wanted to talk mr. Rhino milk To clarify before he counters in case it wasn't clear There's this secret meeting area that people go to trade stuff As our characters go in they're checked for guns and then they're clear And then they go in obviously the spear gets through because it's retractable and whatever And then golems people arrive and they go through the scanners and they all scan like red They're like, you know, you've got guns, but they just carry on going and it's like, okay What was the point But I was like, isn't this place like neutral or is it suddenly owned by golem? I have no clue. It's it's just like they're allowed in with guns and it's like that's how that works Okay, that's one thing I liked about like the john wick movies is continental hotel thing Is like Rules are applied equally to everybody Good bad I can argue against myself I could be like, well, it's pretty clear that maybe he's bribed the leaders there or maybe he owns the place Or maybe he's pulled in some favors in exchange for vibranium, but then my response would be that's not in the film none of that is Like what but like even if you just walked past someone and slipped some money into his pocket, that would have been enough Yeah, it could have been as they were walking in you would not have needed to change the screen time It would it would literally be the same amount But let's let's see if he does the inference thing here doesn't just mean that the movie sort of forgot to put one in It's the movie assuming wrongly in your case apparently that you're smart enough to figure things out for yourself Once law arrives, we see him acting very familiarly with the woman on the door Then casually The movie just wants you to Invent those crypts Yeah Fucking the writers were so bad Patrick willom said this remember he was like the film assumes that you're pretty smart. I guess it's wrong It's like that's funny Remember the film the film assumes that you understand the rhino milk You were supposed to interpret the rhino milk We're supposed to interpret that they milk the rhinos. I mean come on guys The pacifist civilization that kills anyone that comes in through the impenetrable It is with his entourage Despite the fact that every single one of them sets them off the movie assumes you're smart enough to figure out This means claw has people on the inside that he's set this up The movie could very easily have a scene just before this where claw explains that he's got people on the no He don't need that see everyone always assumes that they're like, oh what molla wants is a whole film to explain everything before even watching the film It's like no, did you hear what we just suggested slip someone some money? That's it. Oh, he didn't he didn't hear it He didn't You know show don't tell doesn't mean don't tell people things that mean show things For telling things so you can achieve two things with that scene Even another suggestion they could have just like looked at them like all intimidated like oh shit and then they just That's how they straw man though. They're like, oh people like rags ball will free whatever They'll just be like they want a whole fucking essay before the first start My suggestion is just that you achieve more than one thing at a time in your film Yeah, get two things done at once That's that's what you're meant to do That's what more arrives and there's clear indication that he's bribed the owners, you know I can just think of so many scenes in They do these things and they don't explicitly explain something, but it's still worse So somebody that they're making the rhino emoji and then a milk And then they got the cow and the milk Better than cow milk I'm saving that I'm fucking saving that Or just not have the metal detectors there in the first place what the movie is doing here is show We didn't ask for him to explain that he had people on the inside Dude, I already told you as well. I could have made these arguments. I'm talking about the lack of information Very very much lacks of it. I can invent the script too So someone in chat said you were supposed to interpret the rhinos not milk them that He's set this up the movie could very easily have a scene just before this where claw explains that he's got people on the inside Or just not have the metal detectors there in the first place what the movie is Why did you just suggest that like it's something that we should have inferred? Like by check this out He passes it the money and the camera pans around as he walks into the thing and she presses a switch under a table And that turns maybe not turns the the things off But there's like a clear change in how the the detectors work The light turns off or it doesn't make any or the conveyor belts Whatever it could be anything they he puts money in a pocket gives a nod The lady looks to other people and then gives them a nod. They walk in Um Or maybe they point guns at the people at the entrance and the guys at the entrance They just put up their hands and let them go through. I mean there's multiple ways to resolve this And they that's like these people lack Creativity they lack imagination. They think that about us. They're like, oh, you need just seen to explain everything. It's like Well, it does seem like projection doesn't it? Playing it like explicitly But I think what people would prefer is that you find creative ways of conveying information In as little time as possible But still in a clear manner Yeah, like slipping money into the pocket Or like some glances between the guys as they walk Maybe the time that you're not gonna mess with it. Maybe the time they spent on the sneaker joke could have been spent instead Blaming some other scenes Doing here is showing you something rather than telling it to you and that's a good thing So long. Yes, it's showing us that there's a clear Identification that he has weaponry and he's allowed in Despite the fact that all these people on the metal detector have no connection in any way to the gill at the front And all she does is recognize that she knows claw not that she's fucking in league with him This is why we said money money would tell us that money is a thing that people use to bribe people to do things Kissing somebody you've been here before so the rules don't apply to you Like why was my problem was like, whoa, they just set off the thing. Why isn't everyone going crazy? The reality is that without any explanation you could interpret many ways, but that's not necessarily a good thing You know, you could look at this scene and go Oh, he owns the club or maybe his buddy owns the club or maybe he bribed them in advance But that's not a good thing When three equally correct answers could be Construed for this one thing. It's like he's satisfied. You could just infer anything. You're like, that's not Why not just why not just have the final scene in the film play and then we can infer We can infer the rest of us Yeah Let me see if actually smart enough to figure that out. Not good. I'm stupid. Thanks, man You know how we all universally agree that if you open a battle with two people out of context just trying to kill each other That it's usually it's not a good thing It's usually considered not the right way to start a film because you don't know what's going on I guess with him, he'd be like, oh, you could just infer that they hate each other Oh, oh, really? You're right kid. You don't say And the thing is they might not even hate each other. They might be training. They might be forced to do it against each other Context my friend. It's important just before this where claw explains that he's got people on the inside Or just not have the metal detectors there in the first place What the movie is doing here is showing you something rather than telling it to you and what you're doing is writing the movie Congratulations little lemur. You've done exactly what they want you to do. I think they aren't showing you This is this is this is a genuine problem with writing that they want you to do They want you to write their stories. They want you to hold them to a lower standard and that you just interpret everything for them Someone said Patrick Willems favorite addition to the MCU is the rhino Of course, and that's a good thing So long as you're actually smart enough to figure that out Not girlfriend then announces that it is now or never in relation to capturing golem But this makes about zero sense when they have established that there are guards all over the place with guns And our heroes have some knives and a spear which ones have the advanced technology again remind me Okay, so let's take a step back for a second. This is not the first time that nyalla has complained about the use of spears in this film You did my name joke again He said nyalla now. I don't see how he could Well, I'm just I'm commenting on the fact that he's clearly doing it for the laughs But he just he's in this video has told me that if you repeat a joke, it's not funny It's not good. Yeah, and to clarify my position before he strawmans me which is inevitable The spears never fire any energy So she's literally just using it as a spear and the other girl has knives and they're against people Yeah, but then the spears fire energy later on don't they my point is in what they do in this scene They have low tech compared to their enemies and they're the ones that are saying that's melee versus projectiles And they say now or never like this is our opportunity and I was like, no, this is bad This is not a good time that they just went anyway because why not advanced technology again remind me Okay, so let's take a step back for a second This is not the first time that nyalla has complained about the use of spears in this film The fact that to java's garden now spears But it'd be a big grievance for him Despite the fact that these are incredibly advanced vibranium spears that you can literally stop a car by throwing them through But what makes them advanced they're really strong so they're advanced Is that how does that help you? Yeah, how does the spear being vibranium help you when you're shot? I could make you really advanced vibranium paperclip Thank you for reassuring my sanity just because it's a vibranium spear does not mean it's going to help you when you're shot in the Fucking head Yes, it could be a yeah, it's like it still is what it is Regardless of what it's made it if it was made out of hardened steel it would do the same thing Maybe not to the tiniest degree. I imagine you get a little bit of a plateau effect, but Uh, it's not going to stop bullets people will shoot you and you're like, oh, yeah But my spear is also, please know a counter someone else had for me I don't know if he's going to use it is that they have vibranium clothing that's bulletproof. Look at her dress That's really going to help you when Okay, so you have but so vibranium is anything you want it to be basically Exactly, dude and people don't people are okay with this and I was like, it's not okay Vibranium is the answer to fucking everything Like oh, uh, what's seen when did they say that because they just look like clothes They do say that vibranium is woven into their clothes implying that but to me. I'm just like fucking hell You just By that logic still your head is a complete target here as well as your shoulders, which Oh stupid stupid stupid stupid Plus they have like blasty and electric key stuff in them. So let's take a look at right, but They don't use it really close. Yeah, exactly and that still doesn't protect you from being shot in the head Like if I get close to him, I can shoot him with a stunning thing But this would be an example. This would be an example of why everybody should have that black T'Challa has Because they like Like suits on or something like that and they activate them like power rangers You know The rest of the mcu what weapons do the other heroes use if they're more advanced than us it should Shields can protect you from bullets quite easily. In fact, yeah vibranium And you can throw it and it comes back to you Iron man's armor and melee and iron man's armor protection from bullets Thor literally is immune to bullets. The Hulk is immune to bullets. You get where I'm going with this Black widow has a gun I could see four guys easily taking out the Yeah, let's put it that way Yeah, because his arrows can his his arrows can criticize Hawkeye, but he's definitely a useful character Like I would be afraid of him if he was And I would be you know, I'd be equally as concerned for him in this scene I'd be like Hawkeye's gonna have to be careful because there's a bunch of fucking guys with guns in here While iron man hulk Thor and captain america wouldn't have anywhere near as much concern I guess you can think of other examples too, right? Like if this was daredevil Usually when there's a gun he has to actually change his strategy because It means he'll die if he gets shot Yeah, this is me trying to prompt you to watch that show by the way And what if you had um like captain america was in the scene like we got to get him. It's like no, there's too many civilians Yeah, like someone innocence going to get killed. Yeah, I could see him saying that to be honest You know, it's like we got to get him as like, but there are people in guns Like people are going to get killed. This is going to turn into a quintantino scene Just a gun said rhino milk is better than cow milk Thor uses a war hammer and later in this film Wait, he's saying all the stuff we've already counted so we can probably get through this quite easily I'm hoping If they're more advanced than us it should just be guns, right? Well cap uses a shield Thor uses a war hammer and later a battle axe As if they have no magical properties Yeah Nothing special about it at all. It's just like if I get the hammer Act you This is what I'm talking about. No charitable dissection He's just doing his best to make me look as stupid as he can Thor shows up onto the battle scene at the end and If he wanted to make a electrical magnet If he wanted to make a real point, he could have pointed out that light sabers are kind of in the same category You know, like it's a melee weapon. Yeah kind of that kind of make it can defend you Well, that's exactly it, isn't it? Usually you'd argue they have the force which is a like, you know a jedi against blasters That's what I mean. There's an explanation though. It's a melee weapon, but you could still see them taking guns But here it just seems ridiculous And plus the last thing that you want in close quarters is a spear It's exactly Someone who runs past it comes across as jarring when you see this film It's just like what the fuck using a spear for you something more practical for christ sake It's like he was a sword or something It just doesn't if you want to get a sword would be better A sword would be better. Yeah, because you just stab him with a spear It's just they're they're basically long range In a sense they're long range. Iron man uses a suit of plate armor. Hawkeye. Well, why did he can fire? He can fire things out of his hands though. How doesn't that support my argument? Like the the Whatever you'll know about Hawkeye. Hulk just uses his fists and Gamora uses swords Just to name a few the few that best exemplify my point. No, yeah Didn't count at my point even a little bit. So right but Gamora does use guns when she needs Gun like when it's long range. Yeah, remember that one point in Guardians of the Galaxy Had a cannon bigger than her because she decides Yeah Remember when uh, we were watching a criticism and he committed the sin of what aboutism Oh, absolutely. Yeah, this is the thing. He's assuming I don't have a problem with any of the other ones Yeah, he's like, oh, yeah, but what about these other things like and even to me that's partially not true Because when I think of I'm seen in the winter soldier when the guy has And like he doesn't just shoot cap in the legs like to me that is kind of a problem Yeah, someone in the someone that mentioned Just because they know who I am at a bar just let me just start pouring my own drinks Yeah, like it's not enough that we see that he's acquainted with the owner or whoever that woman was Yeah, this is yeah, because I mean Yeah, if anything would have a reputation and he's not a great upstanding guy So they would want to take his weapons away even more Because I don't want something like what happening in this scene to happen And then you're gonna come back after this Yeah, there's no way they would let him keep weapons if they know him That point doesn't even work in his favor He said it did so it does None of these things are modern weapons. They shouldn't have any I love that a giant suit of armor that these things are modern weapons He mentioned uh, uh Bruce banners fists and he's like that's not We could we could acknowledge it's attached to this enormous creature. Notice the hulk It's not exactly It's not a standard set of fists and then the idea is like, oh, yeah thorns little little hammer It's fucking it's just he's using a hammer. It's like a little smith's hammer It's like, oh, it has magical properties and can teleport in places, but fuck that it can summon lightning. Fuck that. There's not Okay It's a fucking habit there's a lot of people who pointed out the Contradiction that I didn't comment on as guardian culture as much as I did with this It's just like, okay magic gods other reality and they they actually took over how many realms is it nine? Nine nine realms. It's like, yeah, there's a lot less to criticize and they're aliens It's a little bit a little bit more complicated, but sure these are human beings in Africa magical aliens versus real-ass human beings It's the same thing people Place on a modern battlefield But in the marvel universe there are ways to upgrade them that make them viable again. The spear is like is it viable? Like How can you how can you criticize be like oh Thor still uses a hammer and then most later say oh, you could upgrade things Yeah, he's not recognizing. It's magical hammer And that's the thing the spears the spears don't automatically block bullets or something She could have been killed at any moment in that scene. There's no real Another guy ran out of the corner and was kind of Shot her in the head or the leg or wherever and she'd be like if Iron Man suits us getting broken off like it does in Infinity War We all get concerned because that's the only thing that keeps me alive It's very simple and I feel like he's just arguing to argue at this point It's a very simple point to understand, but whatever goes like a room full of men with guns They have spears and you're like, obviously they're at a huge disadvantage and they're a So They take civilian, you know casualties into account, you know, like the the opening of civil war a fight at the end of age of ultron And that make the viable again the spears are no different if you have a problem with spears are no different from Thor's hammer Or Iron Man suit of armor sure bad Lord will go with that updated versions of outdated weapons Then say that having a problem with just the spears doesn't make any sense Gollum uses his fake arm to fire a massive horrible projectile into something that t'challa was hiding behind and a bunch of money comes down And he says ha ha I made it rain Which I just was he not supposed to be intimidating at one point This is your first time intimidating someone I'm afraid Not that afraid and now he's this weird incompetent reckless unhinged circus clown who laughs at his own I will accept that it's not like definitive It's not like a huge changing character But I did get annoyed Personally because he seemed like he was just a clown now when I was like, oh man I liked it when Paul was smart and I showed I probably should have showed the clip with him in ultron Where he seemed much more in control when he was like, wait, you work for stark like this This is like, oh, he's he's actually got agency. Well in this film. He's like, lol, lol, lol, it's like But yeah, there's ways to count that let's see what he does Character has changed exactly. Remember this the thing that happened in literally the exact scene you just showed a clip from They make lats disco lats You're allowed not to like chlor in this movie. That's fine. You can dislike whatever you want I still liked him He was the best part of the movie circus. If you criticize him, you don't like him Yeah, and and like it's not really an issue with him. It's the writing and correct me if I'm wrong But I did just say that I wanted him to be more intimidating I can't remember if I if I did definitively said This is the wrong for what he should be then. Yeah, this you could easily criticize me for that I'm pretty sure it's more of a preference. I was trying to imply but sure And that's and that's an interesting comparison that he made between the two scenarios because of someone trying to intimidate him And he's being flippant about it. It shows confidence. Yeah Yeah, I don't think it's being unhinged I don't get the impression he's unhinged in that scene like I guess like I did the example on purpose He like tints the camera goes, huh? I made it right. It's like are you okay, mate? Like While yeah, yeah, people are trying to catch you and Be concerned Very limited screen time in the past has been a villain who's goofed around for me personally That's where the intimidation comes from the fact that he laughs in the face of danger shows that he just goes through that Sort of thing every day you get a sense that if there's a gun in his face, he's in his element and he doesn't care He's probably my favorite mcu. Are you sure about that because when ultron is on Scared. Yeah, he was genuinely scared terrified. I'd even say He didn't seem too happy when he was getting shot at by kill longer and then eventually killed that concerned him when I saw That by the looks of things If you don't think he's a no, but then when he was about to die, he started laughing remember He laughed when he died. He was like, oh, and then he got oh there you go You may have forgotten that he starts laughing when he discovers that kill longer is actually from Wakanda Uh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that's okay. It's okay that you forgot about this And that's yeah again me and wolf like I said, we didn't have long with this and I've not seen black panthers since Like I I understand I would have made mistakes So like like this I'll just say like fair point. I'll leave you with that one But the rest of the video is kind of embarrassing considering the context for this analysis Fine, but don't act as if this is some kind of bastardization of his character. So that well, did I say that? I mean, it's not it's just unusual The original video is over 40 minutes long So I'm gonna cover it in two parts part two should come out next sunday If you've enjoyed it, isn't that all like a sunscreen now Yeah, he's not very far in that's my first act stop is gonna skip over my valid points. Which case We shall see well, that's the end of it. Do you want do you want the uh monday matt one? Well, I was gonna say I should probably try and get through these these uh super chats as quick as I can and then We'll do monday matt, but I was just gonna say as a a conclusion Um, not that great, uh trying to be genuine here like because I was awful I've I've cut my teeth on on youtube with a lot of I criticize other reviewers and I've made mistakes in the past and not being kind enough, but like this You know Like this is embarrassing. There's a lot of you know, do we need to say it's like there's a lot of straw manning a lot of uh Ignoring context for what I'm trying to actually get at and providing no benefit of the doubt and then acknowledging that I've made points But you sort of just pretend like they don't exist to try and get past them and it paints a picture is kind of what I'm getting at here Um, so try and do better in part two. Yeah Let's go with that. Yeah I'm gonna go to the bathroom real quick. So you If all three of you want to do anything that preps you for the next monday matt extravaganza you can do that while I uh Read these things. Oh, I definitely need some prep for monday matt Uh, so yeah, uh, dico to stanton said have a great stream guys. So thank you Uh, nick said i'm jewish. So i'm giving you guys a jew pass go nuts. Uh, youtube doesn't like me saying that word I mean, yeah, it's a standard nick. It's it's disgusting that you would do that uncouth badger said is this how I donate to the church of jarrod? That's um 100% a truth right there Uh onyx osprey said uh hype to finally catch you go live. Love and appreciate you guys Your commentary on jarrod's videos have really cheered me up on slow days Yay, that's good stuff Uh formally rod line. How dare you trans shame bowser. It's us directed at you rags. You piece of shit I don't believe I did that James more, uh, we have our brown bilbo bag is by the way off topic. Have you guys played fallen new vegas? And did you like it? Have a great stream Yeah, follow up new vegas is excellent. I have not played it I'm not playing it. Yeah You haven't really I haven't I own it. I own it. So i might give it a shot. Oh, it's amazing, man um Jobin b said uh everything wrong with the black panther an angry argument stefan bo baggin in you I think you try to combine bilbo and stefan bo on you, but uh excellent Uh not I taking all bets on number of times racist is used. Well, luckily for us. He didn't actually call me racist at all There was no implication which is nice. He's doing better than some other people now. Yeah. Yeah, that's I still his his points are just legitimately bad. They're not just I mean, they're not just a racist card Uh, we've got because there'll be a comment I'll send on the discord that I'll happily let rags read out Which will be amuse you about the uh the people who look at me criticizing this film But um unto the hunter would you guys ever consider watching commenting on a nostalgia critic video on stream? um I mean, yes, but like I've always I kind of consider that a low hanging fruit or just a little bit unfair I I don't know if this is offensive to him, but I like would say is he not like a children's entertainer in that he's it's Because these video essays they're trying to say like we have important things to say about film It's like, okay. Okay. Yeah, let's let's try it out But like if you're trying to go like I'm trying to have some fun with kids and explain a movie in a funny way I'd be like, well Feels a little bit cruel, but if someone found a particularly egregious video we could uh go over why I suppose in terms of structure Yeah, I'm not opposed to uh covering him and again like I don't even know where I rate him entirely in terms of because it's funny You've got all these people who are kind of manipulative for their videos versus someone like nostalgia critic who? dare I say he's more honest in that his goal is to just sort of Do a quick commentary. I don't know. I'd have to watch more of it. Um, I'm not sure someone's asking about willams alien covenant video Oh, yeah, I will watch that But I think me and wolf would like to see alien covenant again Before watching it so we can actually fact I never see the first time. Yeah, there you go Um Job and be wolf you missed a key opportunity to cast jarred as wolverine the church of jarred will have to reprimand you for this heresy I would happily see jarred as wolverine in a A redo of could you imagine like a man that'd be amazing Just let him go nuts. It'd be great Zack pulido as an aspiring author. I can't thank you guys enough I went through my work with the same level of scrutiny and ended up rewriting nearly all of it No, it's better than ever Dude, yeah, that's good. That's a good thing redrafting is the best together No, I do that's I've I wrote 65 000 words and it wasn't good and I Started over again. It's not a nice thing to do, but it would be better because of it. Don't Ryan Johnson it All right Skull on wheels and fairies and unbridled praise kill monger is superman that german rant is hilarious. Oh god. That's how far back I am. Um, I'm african enjoyed moeller's review great points. Well apparently not Except for a few that he doesn't leave in the video. PC is the Wakanda of gaming platforms OP yeah Yeah, actually. Okay. I see that. I was like, it's not hidden though Please someone do the iron fist review can't wait Dude, I have no desire to make I think he's saying that because I brought it up Oh, I was wondering if it was like a video he was referring to like maybe an iron fist one from somebody but No, I look I've made it clear that dead evils is the best of the marvel netflash shows I would just say that's the one if you have limited time. That's the only one I would recommend watching Okay, um, maybe maybe punisher Punisher can be is pretty entertaining and the first season of jessica jones. I liked but yeah dead evils is by far the best one Uh, you guys are just colonized asplaining. They didn't even we didn't even get to that in the film Maybe I think he's avoiding it because she definitely says We'll see it'll have to be in part two Maybe um other african tribes did find the Wakandans though The lady at the museum says the vibranium spears from another african tribe in the british sword Oh, yeah, we did we did read that one out If they knew but if they had a vibranium spear then how come the people at the museum are like Oh, shit the thing that this is made out of like. Oh god. I wonder if there's any more Yeah, you'd think that would have gotten to the shield You know, it would have been like, oh, we do have an actual vibranium spear in this museum They'd be like, oh, shit. We made captain america shield out of that. We could probably use that for something It's very very. I mean, that's the had just raised some more questions about the film Isle Wakanda the first human faction in stelares irl Um People don't chase legends those people who spend their lives looking for big foot don't exist exactly Yeah, Wakanda uses dead animals as border markers. I guess see we're catching up now We're getting there Who needs concrete walls when you have landscaping? That's true Can someone please explain to me why the quality of movies is so ass in 2018 or is it just me? Um 2018 is not many good. Yeah, what do you what do you think wolf because a lot of people have said to me It's like it's no different than any other year and I was like, I don't know 2018 feels a little bit different to me Just felt yeah I mean, I've pointed out to you in the past that like over the past like five or six years Movies have been noticeably getting worse and worse and worse, but this year is like It's kind of insane how many bad movies came out this year. I mean last year there were some bad ones I mean last jedi justice league uh Wonder woman, you know shit like that, but I mean this year. It's like I'm struggling to think of the good one infinity war best friends Uh, that's always the two It's just like this is the thing. I mean me and wolf don't see every film that comes out obviously so Yeah, I mean indie films I I virtually never watch not because I have anything against them. I just you know Don't really ever get around to them But when one of my favorite movies this year like unironically as a tommy weizo film then that's not a good thing No, I'm now just trying to look at a list releasing a new film this year, I believe All right mission impossible fallout was pretty Great fallout again. I really Me and wolf checked out at some time as a let's let's hope for 2018 Maybe 2018 was so bad. It was it was really really entertaining There were lots of great moments in that film in particular, especially the final sort of set piece was kind of incredible Yeah, cool. Fair enough. I will check it out. Actually, I heard good things about it. I just I haven't watched any mission I'm just I'm just looking at a a list of the films that have come out this year and You know Some duds like uh, there was what skyscraper, you know die hard, but not good Um What what else was there? Incredibles 2 was not I didn't enjoy it very much The predator uh ant man and the wasp the none um A quiet place Solo A lot of these Apparently not very good. Yeah, Jurassic world to uh the meg oceans eight Uh Was the car was some good was it? I hated it was it was yeah Dude is the first one I'm gonna make a video eventually because I adore the first one the second kind of shits on it like in terms of The fucking point of it. I don't want to go too much into that I'm gonna say I was surprised when I saw the trailer for I'm like really they're doing a sequel Really? Yeah, there's no need for a sequel. That's my main issue with it. Yeah, and then there there was slender man There was ready player one. Oh gee. Yeah ready player ones Dude, my animation was this year, wasn't it? Yeah, and I wouldn't I wouldn't say I well, no I would say a wrinkle in time But I am absolutely convinced that is a comedy and that they were trying to trick everyone because I swear to god That is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen. I was laughing through almost the entire thing We need to have we need to have like a bad movie get together a thing I recommend the predator You know, you guys need to see a wrinkle in time I mean you have to see like giant titan opera talking about how big she is because I swear it I I was in a different universe When I watched that movie and it was it was amazing But yeah, as you've just gone through it's like 2018 has been rough for movies Uh, not saying it's irredeemable not saying it's the worst year ever, but I'm pretty sure it's the worst year Deadpool 2 was pretty good though. It's This is the thing ant-man was wasn't terrible, but the thing is it's like, oh These ones that aren't terrible. It's like that doesn't really change the scale too much I suppose with me for the ant-man movies I just get a little cynical because I wanted to see what Edgar Wright Wanted to do with the first one And it will never exist now and that bugs me But um, yeah, I'll try and do these fast, uh When an explorer stumbles on Wakanda the most dangerous game we was Kang's edition um I guess So yeah, it would be the most dangerous game I love that he's still yori alluded to that. He didn't want to say it It's classic. Uh, remember kids when you're slightly inconvenienced just give up It's not like human history is based on people doing crazy. Shit that we thought was impossible before we did it Don't climb that mountain when you get to it. Exactly. Oh oppa. I have seen alpha. I liked it Um in Wakanda, they be like do you know a oh wait, we answered that one. I believe, uh You know how the last last year 4 chanted it's it's okay to be white prank for halloween How bad do you think the sjw's would react for a bunch of white people dressed up as a black panther for halloween I mean, yeah, they that's a thing right halloween costumes are offensive. That's a thing that happened That's probably gonna happen again this year Like certain costumes like say you make you dress up as like a mexican cowboy or something they'd be like that's cultural Which is pretty funny Uh, the border tribe is stationed outside of the dome and their primary job is to protect the border I would think they would turn people away from entering just a thought exactly though the scenario we gave where they're like You can't go over there and you go. Okay. I'm gonna go over there and you go. No, you can't it's like What are you gonna do? Yeah, look at north korea Like it's it's difficult to stop absolutely anybody and then there's a lot of we did go over There's just a lot of ways how the information could leak out Um, I plot the holes down in what cut you'd have I can't I can't sing I plot the holes down in Wakanda. There you go. Beautiful Even cap knows about Wakanda and vibranium as in age of ultron when bruce says Wakanda He looks atoni and says I thought your dad used all the vibranium They're referring to the fake Wakanda when they say that though in fairness. No, they don't know. It's like a technological marvel thing Um, how many ghost hunters are on tv, but Wakanda? No Yeah, let's this case randomly remind me of this there was an African king so rich He caused an economic crisis when he gave away a massive amount of gold while on a pilgrimage to mecca Devaluing the metal for a decade Interesting Um, Wakanda is covert all permissions into other countries see kill monger's dad But their espionage activities were never caught ever. I don't care advance. They are spies get caught and information gets extracted This that's just another way the information can go. That's the thing It's just another way the information can get out, but we're told it didn't it didn't It's like, okay YouTuber makes stupid excuse for bad movie mohler. What? Well, yeah It's one of the common ones the whole writing the script for the script writer um So the guy in the video said thanks for being civil in the comments and proceeds Oh, no, he says thanks for being civil in the video. I think at one point and then said uh proceeds to insult you Throughout his response to you seriously this guy's starting to feel a little too faced In fairness if you're referring to his comment, he did do that after this video was made so Um, I think he's probably happy that I reacted that way instead of ripping into him But I did say in my comment. I hadn't seen the video. So maybe he was like, uh-oh Uh Congrats more. I'm getting a huge mention praise from sargon in your stream with v love seeing great content may as grow Well, yeah, I had a lot of fun talking to both of them. Um Add sargon was clearly a fan of predator as a franchise. So He was not happy with the new film as well But um, I'll get in more trouble because I'm you know talking to wolf was enough to make me a racist rags Will make me a um, what are you rags? Do I become a dog now? Uh, uh, all right, I guess I think talking to v and sargon, I'll just be crucified by the end of the week probably as long as I don't They're talking to me, you know, nobody. I get a few points if I talk to you. You're a nice person I get green points Uh, love your stuff rags and wolf gotta see fringy too. Yes. Thank you. Check out everybody We'll try and do I'll try and promote people at the end of the other stream Give you guys a big rundown of what these uh, flim flams offer I was so bored and tired watching this in theaters. I fell asleep for half of it only mcu film I have at least got a nap in in a lazy boy out of well, you know, that's a positive I'm glad it did something for you. Uh, maybe that's why black panther loses so badly because he was trained by pacifists. Ah, there you go I finally caught a stream rags needs to make more videos. I've already watched them all twice. Yeah rags. What's that about, huh? Uh, no, I've got a bunch of new art and stuff that's getting worked on right now. Um, so Uh, a lot of stuff's going into the channel at the moment. It'll be out. Do not you worry. I have things lined up So do not you worry. There you go Uh, the new challenge to become king. I'll have pacifism for 400 dollars. That's a reference to uh, the prices, right? To a condor. No That's a joke, but I'm I'm trying to get through these quickly. So try not to stay on it The scene showed them asking the tribe leader with their warrior standing next to them Then they asked if anybody of royal blood if want to challenge for the throne kill mongers of royal blood And within his right to challenge for the throne. Yeah, that's fine with me. I just assume he's a part of um uh t'challa's plan As well like ease of royal blood I don't know. It's not really important. Anyway compared to the rest of the film's problems The rest of the world was savage and so Wakanda did not care for it is led by only gaio punch's best Like yeah, that's that's the savage part of it. Which makes us think that by definition puts the The burliest and most violent person in charge What does that mean for your society when you do that? He sounds like h-bomber guy. I think he might actually be him. Have we seen the two of them in the same room? No, we haven't Oh my books matter. I just thought that meant he's superman Turn your brains off for having fun. They should add rhinos to farming simulator 19 true Um, Wakandan logic. They created the cure for all illness now. Let's create an antidote for it Okay, that's the weird thing to me. Why would they even want a account to the greatest thing in the world? Yeah, you think they you just you think they'd give it to everybody And he actually kind of agreed with that point as well, which is interesting Um, given how much weight it's not like it's not like someone can take it away from you So it's not like you can give it to somebody else and then other people get it through proxy or something Um Given how much weight being traditional is given in Wakanda. Do you think Patrick Williams mcu doppelganger lives this like well? Considering he loves traditional reviewers. He's probably stationed in Wakanda right now That's where they they home grow traditional rhino farming reviewers He lives with movie barb needs some horny milk Found you via world-class bullshers keep fighting the good fight. Absolutely Jared genesis jar jar video. I mean We'll get to We need to cover more of his on wolf podcast like get through like several we can only ever get through like one or two Oh, yeah, I mean we were talking about doing Jared Jared only Jared a gerathon You know, I think uh, Jared actually said to me on twitter that like, uh, he appreciated that I was very Respectful to him and if muller had been nicer, he would have gone on the podcast I'm the reason he didn't come on now. I was like First it was rags. Now it's mall I genuinely I love the quotes because I thought I was the nice one But I may have said something that even I would be like, oh, that was good But I can't remember being means like Oh, yeah, whatever But he still seems like he's playing hard to get like he keeps reference Did you see did you see the drawing that he sent you on twitter? No. Oh my god I just found it. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. It's slightly amazing shared in the uh in the chat So rags can see it. Uh, the spear in the museum was encased in stone I'm not sure if that's supposed to say like that's why they didn't know it was vibranium But yeah, either all that that could be the case Off-topic, but I'm curious. Tell me why mark brown sucks. I hear you rip on him a lot But not in detail if you've uh, there is Where's the video of us taking down one of the mark brown's videos? It's not an e-fab one, is it? That's on um That's on my channel. Let me one of wolf's podcasts I can't remember. I think I might have put I think I put his name in the title. So let me Yeah, we'll try and find it real quick. Um There's been some really good films this year leave no trace first performed apostate the party death of starlin For example, I have not heard of any of them. So I haven't heard of any of that could be my issue then but um I guess we should just say of the films we have seen and a lot of them have been mainstream. Uh, they've been very lackluster a lot of misses But yes, that is all the super chats. I got through it, which means Uh, we can move on which means month then matt I post it in the artist squad Oh sweet. Okay. Well, which one are we doing? Are we doing this? I mean, how how long you went? It's He removed Hey, everyone. Oh, no, wait. I'm still with me. It's two and a half minutes and then we can definitely do this Yeah, here we go. Here we go rags. Here's the drawing he made you Um, oh, it's very abstract Oh, sorry, there are um, these are I always forget to read these out. There's ones on, um, I guess you'd call it The the super uh, yeah, no, sorry the the other thing that's not super chats the um, the stream labs donations, there's three of them One of them says, um, I'm about to go to bed. Now you faggots alive so much for that Uh, so thank you. I'm black and actually African born and raised enjoyed black panther At least the first time hard film to watch a second time, but I appreciate your review So you had great points. Well, thank you and uh first stream. I caught live and yeah, obviously, um, thank you Yes, not racist confer. Thank you all for very generous donations as well I meant to obviously say that at the end instead of for everyone. Uh, it's very much appreciated and It's a very kind of you all and I actually managed to read out those ones this time, which I always forget to do Uh, you guys gonna tear apart movie gobs latest video plot hole surface. That's gonna be on wednesday We're actually doing this again in just two days now. Oh wait. Yeah, it is two days Because this video seemed like it was worth responding to and now Well, we're gonna have to do two this week. I hope you guys are up for that since it'll be what like 10 hours total So be ridiculous, but um, yeah, is everyone good to see this monday mat video Yeah, we can do that one. Yeah Just for context for anybody who doesn't know monday mat He uh, he got caught Reporting channels and getting their videos taken down and strike supplies their channels because they were saying things that were mean about him It wasn't even specifically like anything slanderous or inaccurate He literally just didn't like it when people were saying mean stuff and laughing at him crying And then he lied about it on stream And then he was exposed for doing it and then he attended for months that it didn't happen gave a half-hearted apology on tumblr And the reason everyone calls him boulder boy is because Is because his uh excuse For not for supposedly not flagging anything is that he Was collecting boulders with his eight month old so he couldn't have possibly done it. Look listen. It's tradition Your honor, i'm pleading in 17 It runs in the jarbo fam Jarbo but yes So, uh, he ignored this as a result and his channel has been plummeting in terms of respect views and just Attention, i suppose because not many people can trust this man anymore And his whole the premise of his channel is that he'll give you it real, you know, like this is how it goes What's what's happening? What's the like to dislike ratio on this video? It's actually positive If you don't like that. Oh wow for the first time in months Yeah, i was gonna say that must be because people are like fucking finally. This is what you should have done Yeah, but the thing is is that can you believe him anymore? Lied on the stream outright for a while. I'm curious, you know, I caught him We can we can break this down. I'm curious what he's gonna say, but um, was everyone good? Yeah, yeah, all right then one My name is match our bow and this is a video. I should have made a long time ago. Yes Oh, you reckon I owe an apology to tonkasa failure accomplished andy warsky swedish mate dame pesos and max well silver For reporting on mr. Medica though You kind of lied to him as well. I guess it's not about lying. It's about the actual reports. So that's fair Yeah, did he did he uh Take down any of medik's videos or I don't think so Um, I don't know but he did lie to him to his face, which I think is worth an apology But obviously if he's gonna get to that later then fair enough Writing their videos to youtube for bullying and harassment I should not have done it I deeply deeply regret my actions And I allowed myself to become angry to become bitter And to let it fester and to let it rot and to let it push me to do something that is absolutely antithetical to my core principles I'm just gonna pause it right there. Um, do you think that he would be really sorry for it if he didn't get courts? That is a no because he was no, I don't I don't think so because he was doing it for a long time That's the thing he lied up until The thing is though at that point, what can he do like what can he do if that's the case? I don't know like it's it's that's the thing. What can you know, it's not my problem I didn't lie about flagging people's channels And the thing is and and everyone seems it's weird lying about it is not nearly as bad as actually doing it Do you think he's gonna cry in this video? I just I think there's got to be something we can provide him in terms of He's acknowledged. He's this the the action of saying this stuff gets you like one point at least Right, but I guess I guess well, let's look at it this way right. I know it's not the same but Rob somebody And then you get courts And then you're like, yeah, I did it. I'm sorry You've still done something wrong And what do you get for that until you shouldn't kill another robber? You aren't clear Well, not until something actually negative That's the issue, isn't it? I guess Yeah, and and the issue is something punishment or some sort Well, again He didn't make a mistake. He continually did this over a long period of time So it isn't against his principles and when he says that it's against my principles I don't believe you It's against the principles he you know claims he wants to have he want maybe he wants to have But he doesn't actually If you let's say you were his older brother and you actually loved the shadow of him What would your recommendation be like for what he should do next? Apologize and then maybe You shoot file maybe, you know, give it a little bit of time. I guess. Yeah, I would say maybe you take a break you need to Put yourself in a bit of a time out Is this video monetized? Oh I'm sorry. Sorry. I just caught that someone in chat said up till now I gave more of the benefit of the doubt that he truly believes what he says and had a shred of integrity What's that about? Yeah He claims he's left wing while only ever supporting right wing candidates Like lapen and trump and left wing policies. Is this up for me? Is trump right wing? He's kind of a moderate, but I don't even since when do I support trump? I'm when did you have you ever even talked about politics on your channel before? This is a funny thing V like I think a good half an hour into our conversation whatever said I have no idea what your politics are. I was like, yeah, you don't need to know we can just talk about videos Films so it's completely unnecessary But the way I look at it is I really I did that political test that went around my discord and I I shot on like I think it was Left slightly more left and right and more What was it? Um, what are the two options that go up and down authoritarian and Libertarian libertarian. Yeah, I was I was more libertarian than authoritarian though That's apparently where I probably sound the same as me then I think because that's about where I am um Yeah, you know, I and I've only spoken to v and sargon about films just like I would happily talk to h bomb a guy or Movie bob even I would happily talk to movie bob about films If he started telling me that all nazis need to die, I'd be like, okay, dude I told you you weren't genetically pure enough to debate him on a movie That is his prerogative. I suppose well, that that's something that I would say obviously Yeah, I knew by the way that um any connection to sargon gets me in trouble But I just I'll just continue with the principle that who I talk to does not Determine my beliefs in politics. It's kind of weird to even assume that Considering me rags fringing and wolf would probably all disagree with each other on different topics about politics Just because we talk to each other doesn't mean we all follow the exact same Because fringy is a he is a staunch Unrepentant white nationalist But we still Wolf is a nazi I'm I'm a good person rags is not these are the differences. I'm a scientist. I'm a Scientologist. There you go How dare you deny the truth I'm curious though If h bomb a guy agreed to talk to me Would I actually do you think that I would actually get a bunch of people who are like wow more supports? You know hard left ideas Is that how that works? Yeah, probably you would might get a few but I don't really know. I don't I don't think so I think they would be the exception Because this is something that I I rarely rarely ever see When people from the middle or the right talk to people on the left Rarely do I get from the middle or the right the accusations that the left throws at people Yeah, but I get all the I get all the fun where people call me like a nazi because I said like one nice thing about trump ones and then Uh, if I say anything That's like perceived as left-wing. I'm called a communist even though I like Shit post about white communists or idiots on twitter like regularly I'm I get called neither which makes me really happy. I must be doing something I just I was like hopefully that will clear it up and I was like no, I won't clear anything up It's like it's not going to do shit Um, I was just going to say there's two things I may as well read out so I can get them done Instead of trying to stack them up again Gotta buy some boulders which absolutely and I understand your questioning of the film But to expect a film to explain many years of comic lore is just nitpicking like y'all did research to debunk arguments Y'all could have done the same to understand the law big fan of yours mohler So the difference and thank you again for the for the donations the the difference is that it changes the stakes in the film So we're like for example with with the flower power I'm like you why have we arbitrarily decided that all of these characters are now weaker than they should be That's taken me out of the film a little bit while um something like I don't know the the full history of of T'challa's dad could be found in the comics if I really wanted it But I don't need it it doesn't matter to the story at hand I mean actually you could argue that it does um, but I guess the principle I should explain is the for one the comics are just um where they adapted from they don't necessarily They can often conflict with the movies. That's not necessarily reliable source of information and two Your story just just like the last jedi and whatever else should not rely on third-party information to make sense To have its stakes to explain the drama it can it can inform You'd be like what's the story of ig-88's in star wars? That's usually what I end up going with as an example We don't need to know for empire strikes back to work, but hey could be cool. Let's have a game about it Let's have a comic. Why not just look into it and that's that's the difference for me And obviously with context I need to argue why um the ones I brought up for black panther affect the plot But I would happily do that. That's usually how I try and differentiate it I was gonna say if anyone else wants to add to that or not Well, yeah, I'd say the pertinence to the plot really determines how important it is I guess If it affects the plot in a way that's noticeable Like if it raises questions That kind of needs to be answered then yeah I mean that's kind of the premise of plot holes, isn't it like if um You can actually you know everything that happens in a quiet place Me and wolf could probably get pedantic enough that we could explain everything away in a book Like every single interaction and every little thing that doesn't make sense We could explain in a book. For example, they're like, why didn't they move to the river? Me and me and wolf could write it so that the main character is afraid of water in large quantities There you go if I can't go to the river because she's afraid of it. She has the lasso phobia I think it is fear of water hydrophobia, but um You know and you keep going It's like why did the kids put the batteries in the thing that got him killed when he should know all about it Then we established that he he can actually I'm not sure how to fix that one I have to work for a while, but uh third party stuff can keep fixing so it's um We keep it separate as like a principle and I think it makes sense right that a story should stand on its own because um You can always develop and improve but but it's supposed to To get the satisfying payoffs that the film has to provide the stakes on its own It shouldn't have to rely on that's reading a book before going to see the film Yeah, they shouldn't have to hand you a pamphlet as you walk into the theater Yeah Do you want to keep going with the map monday matt? Well, this is the thing about this I feel like this video is probably going to be as good as it can be But he's still in trouble right it's probably going to be the conclusion, but we'll uh, we'll keep going I'm deeply embarrassed by my actions And i'm embarrassed as a result of the past few weeks As I said, this is something I should have done a while ago When it all came down when it all happened I did the first thing I could think of which is to protect myself I followed that human instinct continued on Like nothing was happening Issued a statement and just kept moving forward That wasn't the right course of action That should have been pretty clear dude Well, yes, everybody all over the internet was like don't do x and he was like x seems like the right idea You should do x. So I don't know x it. I'm not feeling x Ultimately what I boiled down to and this is something I I just learned over the course of this weekend Or I should say understood over the course of this weekend Is that it wasn't about protecting myself it ultimately came down to protecting my ego And that is not the right play That's not the right course of action I fucked up. I made a mistake. No, no, no, no, no, you didn't make a mistake You made a long series of mistakes over a period of months Which yeah, it comes across as a little bit more than just Like like, you know angrily punching somebody and being like, oh, fucking you're sorry. I lost my shirt Well, I think I think it's probably worth pointing out that this is one of the Things that has somebody who also occupies the platform because you should be aware of the fact that you could ruin someone's livelihood Yeah, this is this is why it's so like this is never going to be good enough because what he did was quite It's so it's so it's bad for so many reasons like Taking people's Imagine potential sources of money because you don't like what they said when you're a channel It's all about defending free speech. That's like so fucked up in so many ways Well, I would say, you know, imagine if there were some leaked emails from a newspaper where it literally confirmed that they They lied about certain news stories for particular reasons that benefited them as a company or politically If they apologize, that's not really good enough because their job is to be honest and they weren't Yeah, you know, it depends on the nature of your mistake relative to what you do Yeah, and it's one of those things that's In a sense where if he would have gotten angry and punched somebody if he does it again, we would know But this I mean, how do you? I mean, how do you make sure he doesn't anymore? You know, like this is the kind of thing that you can't check You can't make sure they don't do it again Yeah, this is I you can't recover because you've broken Any expectation because you take a person you don't know at all and you're like, well I I don't know if I can trust them, but I have no reason not to so you just go ahead with it And if you know mundane math for years, you're like, I can always trust everything said but now you've now this has happened You're like, yeah, I how could I ever trust? Yeah, it turns out that all that time I spent trusting him. He was actually doing this Yeah, but um, yeah, so not hard to get to the end. I suppose And I want to own it I need to own it I want to move forward. I want to use this moment in time as a catalyst Not sure how you move forward to be honest. It's pretty difficult in it I understand wanting to and you're like explaining to me how I do it. It's like, oh man, it's tough Here's if you say I'm getting $100 all the people whose videos have flagged to make up for any potential loss that they had I ask thing. It's not just saying you won't do it again. It's a direct attempt to fix the issue that you've created You know, it's like if you accidentally break something It's much more meaningful to say sorry. I won't do it again But also fix the broken thing and it would be to just say, oh, sorry. I won't do it again Maybe this is a good time for him to not only take the break as you guys suggested, but um Improve the content Maybe take one story per week. Wow. Well, will he do that? No, no, I'm saying I'm saying a theoretical solution like As if Monday Monday Matt's not gonna actually pay anyone Let's just rags a suggestion My suggestion would be like create a new mundane mat that's gonna show all of his references Like a rebranding and be like you don't need to convince us to trust you You can show the evidence like that would that would help you I mean because what like he makes very very very simple low effort stuff And it's not necessarily bad, especially if you're a news channel But normally if you have low effort stuff To let like sticks hacks and hammer right his videos themselves are low effort in the sense that he just talks to a camera But he knows what he's talking about He's informed and he has you know, well well formed opinions Things like that and you know that there's research that goes Into what he's saying because he references things all the time and stuff that's happening And he keeps up on the news and he remembers things that have happened But when it comes to Monday Matt, he's essentially talking into a camera and he's not charismatic He doesn't say anything interesting. He doesn't seem to have any real Opinions strongly one way or the other and again, if you have his TLJ video I would love to have that if anyone out there Has a copy of it. I feel like we're never gonna get it, but it's worth asking I suppose Yeah, but seriously if you have Monday Matt's video on Star Wars that he did I would love to see what he said And um, yeah, I think bringing back poli the polar bear that would be another potential solution I mean that that was the best He ever started his channel You know when I saw that I was just like That's the kind of thing for me it doesn't matter at all It was it was such a just like our poor Matt. He didn't get rid of it before everybody Oh Well Not only for me, but for my family and most importantly my daughter. She's part of your family I own my actions. I apologize for them And I won't ever do them again. It's like I say that your daughter's adopted like my family and wait I'm not well. It's his family and his wife's daughter. I was gonna say is I can't remember if that's a Bebo doll is it actually his daughter like naturally or is it uh, I don't know I don't know, but um, it's not relevant though. Is it? Yeah, it's just interesting how I see my family and my daughter him saying that he'll never do it again It's like mac come on I don't believe you the you would have said that a year ago that you would never do this You did well, suppose the thing is like you he lied so it makes it difficult to know whether or not truth He very easily sat in that stream and lied So he's clearly I mean, he's not a good one because people figured it out But he doesn't have an issue with bullshitting and pretending But how can you take it? Is it nearly as bad as him going through and actually doing those things for the months? Oh, no. Yeah, of course the actual thing that he did was Yeah, like that in and of itself shows far more dishonesty than him lying about it protect himself Like yeah, it's shitty that he lied about it. Sure, but it it's nothing compared to the months of him actually flagging That shows more dishonesty I hope going forward. I can earn back the trust of those that I've lost I'll 12 of them and we can all move past this as a group together moving forward as a group Don't lump me into that. Why are you loving get past this as a group? Maybe I don't have to get past shit Towards better things. I just wanted to put this out there and express my deepest regret for my actions I thank you for your time Have a good day No, maybe but I would say what's going on take a break. I want to talk about oh man. This is gonna be great. This is gonna be great But Take a break from youtube rebrand the channel Get a new format going maybe Take an oratory class or something be interesting Make more high effort content have opinions, you know um I would much rather watch tim pool for which I disagree with on some things because he's he he's honest And he stands by the things that he believes and he he has principles that he follows Then I would just some robot talking to a tv Or a or a camera reading an article telling me what happened It's like no tell tell me what you think give me your take. Give me your opinion. I want to hear it Also, I was gonna say we probably shouldn't do diamond thrust as well because we're already at four hours and 20 minutes Which will push us to like six at least And I I need not only oh, but also to go to toilet and basically go back to living life for a bit This has been a lot of fun So as I was doing what you guys are pretty much on board with that. Are you because we could always save diamond thrust Oh, yeah, it's 4 a.m. Over here. So I'm about right to pass out so There are links to everyone's channels in the descriptions. I recommend Both wolf rags and fringy because they're all very both as I said both wolf rags and I know my english He's the fringy is just the like the little tacked on I mean Got that green guy actually actually both refers to two people or things Um, you're wrong. I'm from I know england better because I am from britain and you you guys are from um america No, what what that means is that 500 years ago? You'd be right? Exactly exactly, but uh Yeah, uh, there is a second channel. I'm running right now where did you just use the tradition defense Shut up. Just read a response theory dude. You're not paying attention rhino milk I don't even know how we did that to me. We need Alex Jones. So wouldn't that one of his sponsors rhino milk? Probably it's got a lot of it's got a lot of um, what even is the rhino milk raw? brain force The only milk globalist fear Um, yeah, so subscribe to that channel and you'll be able to catch all of the uh, The episodes that come out regularly because they will be on this channel at least. Um, we'll be back on wednesday Uh with with with I think we're doing Down with I guess we could do down with rest and definitely movie bobs plot holes video Which everybody wants us to see because I'm I'm even referenced in it by the way He um, oh, I've seen the I saw a clip. He basically he shows a review of black panther With a parody of sargon's account and he quotes me from my own video So he's he's making fun of he has a british accent But he's combining me with sargon for some reason and he also has it about black panther So we'll have fun when we get to that on wednesday. I hope you guys Are interested in having a watch and of course, thanks for watching and thanks for the donations and uh, I guess say goodbye everybody Hooray See you Huzzah Goodbye power