 You can't do that. Oh Okay, this one. Okay All right, next up is David and he'll be talking about Sampa. Oh Hello, I'm Marc Chantreux and David David is here We are working at Renataire, which is a French national research and education network I also so guy and give most which is a one of the contributor of Sampa and also working at Renataire I will talk about the future of Sampa and you can be a part of it Sampa is a 20 years old mailing list manager open source since the very beginning and It was Okay Sorry, there is okay I Don't know. It's what and why it's what my side. So okay, but yeah Renata is hiring so if you are a French public servant don't hesitate to take a look at our website and Maybe we can you can join the team As I said Sampa is a 20 year All this manager written in per buy and for the research community and education community So it fits the needs of very large organizations But We are also Serving a lot of other systems like for example service to service all team hosting the FFDM is Network of Alternative ISP in France and some of some of them are using Sampa for And from a list is the instance of Sampa From from a soft who want to de-google eyes internet we want to Universities are also using Sampa for example Paris or slow Strasbourg border. I don't yeah too much And you have a little telephony operators who have a lot of them of users Don't swap my slides, okay Okay, so they To to have a look on it we we take a survey on on 2015 and the results are available on Sampa.org and we learned a lot about it. We learned that we have a huge a huge base user base I don't want to to give all the the numbers because It's too long and I don't I have problems with a huge number in English. So So what you have to remember is every two seconds somewhere in the world some Sampa is is processing and out an incoming message and Why is it why is this? First because we have a good standard email to standard support DKM and mark as mime and so on. Yeah, I don't want to to give you Completely we have customization and we can we can template a lot of things to create stuff to run the stuff we have scenarios to To define workflows for example when you when you send a mail for a mailing list You can define without coding everything with nothing you can define Oh and a sample will handle the Email we have automation for example where you can define a list family So you manage a one family of list instead of managing one list by one by one We have mass operations on this subscribers. We have shared documents. We have sets operations on list subscriptions. So for example, we can include a list exclude a list and those kind of stuff are The base of Simpa and Simpa is a part of your system information system. You can you can provide Information or consume information from SQL LDAP HTTP flat file and so on But The most The most the key figure for me the figures that make me love the projects are the users the users Came with me to me and said I was an administrator, but actually the first time I Administrator something it was a punishment for me because They told me it's a mailing list manager and the user said okay But I use some bad for this kind of stuff. It's awesome. So The poor of some part for me is the ability to give a non-technical person people a Lot of poor via a system of delegation and permissions and know they can use A new UI to set up to set up a lot of stuff of things. So freedom And No, yeah, I said rena tear rena tear is no is is Maintaining some part for rena tear is some pays a mission, but also it's no pride and it's a challenge It's a challenge because Obviously the community is small. We are two developers at rena tear we have two regular contributors and a lot of people with With Some patches in simpad not much and not much patches in documentation help on mailing list and yeah And that there is involving the community into the development process. So if you join us You can have some words about the future of simpa So we you last year we used we organized a 20 years birthday hackathon and it was the chance for us to to rethink the future of simpa and We opened we start to open the simpa code and Open I said use Open source platforms to to to to make the community to make the community Available so you can use our github now. We have we are also on free now, and you can join our mailing list Developers you can subscribe directly and start chatting with us We have commercial support. We have joined we have joined The open world consortium. So we expect more partners and contributors As I said, we have a small small developer community, but we expect much We expect big evolutions in simpa Starting because in the hackathon we discussed about a complete distribution Federation of list and so on and we have some very good ideas of Why a whole simpa come evolve? People tell us that mailing lists are Getting old, but obviously We don't we don't buy this because yes Our mailing lists are not so since this shiny shiny for example Slacks and so on this is basically not the same usage and for example I don't see some things that is massively adopted decentralized for tolerance and support alternative contents support cryptography and so on so I Understands that that web interfaces are about extreme in treatise nefs, but emails Where email is about freedom? I can sync the way I want I can filter and under the way I want I can use a large and extensible toolchain for it and Both of these approaches as are valid and I don't want to troll with anyone Just please choose the way you want to communicate with me, but don't Want don't expect from me to use a web interface. It will never happen So the idea is Make the web for our user and I'm not the only one because if you for example, so for example on the Linux kernel list someone asked why still using email mailing list When when we have no Complete web stack and Another troll So yes, what we want is to make a web for our happy and we I can discuss about it. It's not I'm I'm used to to that troll. So if you want to troll Just pay me a beer and it's okay make make for web for our users happy so some part is basically as everything's to to to to provide the basics of Social network, we just need a good web interface. So we will push a web interface on top of some part Also, we think that simpac could be a good migration path to successors to come We are still waiting for the successor. We are we are tuned to every successors, but SMTP for the moment just a job We don't what yeah We want to make Administrators happy so We want to improve documentation. We want to improve Customization we want to split simpac to smaller modules and reusable components so you can Install a part of simpac and not the world stuff You want we want to make we want to make developers happy Even the per newbies Even the per haters So when you when you see when you see per code when you when you close your eyes and want to imagine per code you see you see Lots of things But actually for example a Counter example, you have a new object which is a start with a value two We show the value, so it's to you we use a method next which is next and we choose the next The method add two to step with two five and the The per you know is probably this kind of stuff. You don't want to write. I completely understand that But our Our code base is more is much about is this kind of stuff So we define a counter which has has which is the really declarative syntax Which has a value which is writable and readable and readable So you have accessors and which is a value so you can use it the way you use the properties in Ruby For example or any kind of variable so you can use plus plus self-value and this is This is completely Working We also want to better on all the awesome tooling and modules of the per Community for so we pick a lot of cpan and we provide and Cpan provide a lot of tools but Basically if you were used to Python or something like that you will convert this kind of stuff For example black up is like show set cpan army is like is like a peep Diesel know there is no diesel in Python, but it's diesel is for to scaffold new new modules So yes, don't hesitate to ask question about the future of Simpa Don't hesitate to ask why because I know I know some some of you can can Really think that we don't need a mailing list anymore, and I swear I think there is still a usage for that. So if you want to question that don't hesitate to ask Don't hesitate to any question from me of feedback or many form Thank you very much Thanks, do we have some time to time for questions Right I'm a per lover. I would love to switch my mailman mailing lists to Simpa Will you consider implementing a way to import the existing mailman archives without breaking the links? Yes Yeah, actually You we have we have some experience of it not my me personally, but we have some experience of it in the community so so just Maybe you can you can ask David directly because he's the one to help for for this kind of stuff So yeah, you can you can piece of cake So so yes, we can do it Anybody else yes Encrypted mailing list