 On the breakfast, it's just one day to APC parameters. You know, shoot, stay, tension is rising. The Raouf Aregbe Shala group and the Roye Gau, the Tola group are battling for who would own the structure of the party in this state. As Fios Kesti bites Hada in security, increases Nigeria's debt to end corruption, as EFCC accountant steals about 10.9 billion Naira looted Ikohi money. We have details of these and analysis ahead. And as always, we'll be looking at the national venues and have a guest join the conversation. A very good morning to you. Welcome to the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. We're back with another day of bumper, bumper discussions right here. And what is very interesting breakfast show? My name is Kofi Bartels. And I am Messi Popo. He feels very great to be back on your screen. Fantastic. Well, we have interesting conversations. Continuation of part two of the Osho State, rather, political situation, especially as it has to do with the All Progressives Congress. Yesterday, we had a guest, one guest, who seemed to be supporting one side of the political tussle in the All Progressives Congress in that state. So today, we've decided to bring another guest to balance it. I'll be talking about that later. And some money is missing. And the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission have fingered an official as being responsible. I will talk about that as well. But let's start with the top trending stories. Mercy, I missed you yesterday. You know, so it's great to have you back with your smile and your warmth on the program. Fantastic. A video was trending online yesterday. And I don't speak Yoruba, but I could I could I could sense what was happening. I don't know. Yes, indeed. In fact, I'm going through my feet right now. And I'm seeing a bit of what was trending yesterday. The chairman or the leader of the National Union of Road Transport Workers in Lagos State, MCO Loomo, the one who famously appeared in tennis song for your case. So she'll go report to you, give MCO Loomo. Yes, MCO Loomo is not someone to be played with anyway. He's been a strong and almost a militant kind of leader. As far as a body that is meant to be a union, union, as people come together and form an association, with so much history, professionals is concerned. And when you hit the streets of Lagos, you ask them about the National Union of Road Transport Workers. What they use says, oh, Agbeiro, they call them Agbeiro. Now, for people from other parts of the country, like you and I, Mercy, we only hear Agbeiro. We think of something else. And when we hear of National Union of Road Transport Workers, we think of something else. They're not the same. But in Lagos, they're the same. So you're saying that when you think of an Agbeiro, you think of the union of road transport workers. No, that is what it is. Lagosians call the union people Agbeiro. So in Lagos, it's become a gradual departure from that unionist thing we're used to, to a sort of a street thing, a street origin thing in a way. But the history of the Agbeiro is not really like street origin. Agbeiro in Yoruba means people who load people into a vehicle or to enable them move from the bus park. And these people, the history is that it translated from being area boys in the communities around Lagos. If you look at the Lagos Islands and some other places in Lagos, they're historically Lagos. Lagos, so eco. They move from being the area boys because the economy was biting hard. After the structural adjustment program of 1980s with Bawangida, things changed. And people had to leave those areas and now look for what to do. So they went to the parks. That's what they went to instead of helping people to load. So they could fend for themselves. Because narrow went down and the prices of things went up after SAP. So it's been a gradual progression to the extent that now, urchins and all that street urchins are now associated with this thing. For yesterday, the leader of the KK Union in some part of Lagos was complaining that Ms. Yolomo had taken over from his union. He was a legend, a legend. And that the man had been threatening him and all. So you now see strong men and some rough guys involved in this thing. But the end you have to double in the Southwest of Nigeria is, from my observation, a bit more different from what you have in other parts of the country. In Southwest, they are involved in elections. They're involved in politics. They're involved in, you know. So the video that was trending yesterday was of Ms. Yolomo in a meeting with some people, a room full of men, OK? Some of them were earrings and stuff like that. So you can understand why people felt this way. And strategizing ahead of the 2023 elections and telling them how they meant to open some chapters in different parts of Lagos state and even the Southwest, how they're going to build their structures. So an interesting guy on Twitter, Aye Mojuba, he's quite popular on Twitter, especially when it comes to election times. He finds his power there on political issues and stuff like that. He put out, I think the first video I saw, saying if you think Ms. Yolomo is and those in this ABC 2023 strategy meeting are jobless people or you're more busy than them, then you still don't get it. We can't wish ourselves into a working society and like a warfare, we need a battle plan. So people castigating the man, Ms. Yolomo and say, no, these are area boys. They want to scuttle the election. They want to rig a novel. And the conversation going down the road of, if you think that you are better than Ms. Yolomo, if you think that you are more patriotic than these guys, what are you doing ahead of the elections to prepare? And are you going to sit down and see these guys if you think they're area boys? That's a very valid question. As strategizing, they're building structures. You could hear him. So you, who feels you're more patriotic than Ms. Yolomo. So what are you doing? What are you doing about it? Because the NURTW has been accused by some people of being behind some of the violence we see in parts of Lagos June elections. But some people from South East would tell you that they're not allowed to vote in Lagos June elections, you understand? So these are some of the things that cost people to talk. Well, I mean, some of the questions and some of the issues that you have raised are very valid. And so if you have, because the reason why you would have Ms. Yolomo being on the top chart, especially on the microblogging platform that's Twitter, is because of the current personality that he is. I mean, what he's associated to be, you talked about the issue of militants and all of the violence and the agboru and how people perceive, why you use the word agboru and the actual meaning. So that's it, on the one hand. It just feels like, so you have some persons who understand how politics actually work and the fact that they're trying to replicate the structures across the 36 states of the Federation calls for a lot of concern. So the fellow who put out that question and was asking that if you are querying the personality of Ms. Yolomo and his involvement, strategizing for the All Progressive Congress ahead of the 2023 elections, then what are you doing? But some people have also said you need to also understand why Awoluwa created the, or is associated with the NURTW and the role that he played. These are, when we talk about elections, elections is a grassroots thing and when you talk about the road transport, that's the NURTW, you'll also understand that this is actually a grassroots thing. And people who see elections in Nigeria, let's not even move away from Nigeria, we understand. He goes beyond having a lot of people fancy beautiful looking boys and girls on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram making comments and all of that. The deal is done at the grassroots level and this is grassroots and this is the strategy. Whether or not the strategy is okay, we want to look at it in terms of morality now, in terms of how they go about achieving the purpose because politics is interest. Over time, I would remind you that you have constantly talked about the fact that politics is interest and interest is what people will go after. Now you also have the McEvely and Canada politics where people don't care how it comes but as long as you get it, it's what it is. So the N justifies the means and so it doesn't matter how you get it. And so this might be the strategy that you have some persons. We know the personality of M.C.O. Luwamo and all that he stands for over time. What does he stand for? No, I mean, for the fact that you have Tenny putting him in the song and saying, I will tell, I don't remember the words. I will tell M.C.O. Luwamo. For you, if you do me wrong, I'm going to tell him what's going to happen. So you make it go rough, you have small. Exactly. So with all of that, it just boils down to the fact that we need to understand that elections is not just won by a fine-boy face. It is not a tea party. Whether or not we agree, it's politics. It's not a talk. It's not a talk. So you don't just come on national television and say, oh, yes, you want to win. So a lot of questions need to be put up. We need to understand that the grassroots has a role. Look, because if you go, I have monitored elections at the grassroots level and I understand. So mostly you don't have all the pretty boys and pretty girls coming through. I mean, a few of them would definitely, but the people who vote at the level of the grassroots, and if they're trying to put out their structures at the grassroots, looking at how the economy is right now, the issue of poverty, the issue of the inflation that has affected the economy, and you know that money politics can never leave, then you are sure that these people are moving, whether or not we like the strategy, but that's what's been put out. And so the Machiavellian, you want to also read up about what the Machiavellian kind of politics is, how the, what the theory stands for and how we operate. So it's definitely what's happening. So if you don't like it, then what are you doing about it? You know, the NERTW, in this year alone, you've had two incidents. One at Lagos Island in Dumota, at the market, Very popular. Where two factions fought and gunshots were fired, the bottles and all that. And the police had to go arrest some people. And the man has been on the fire, the unit had been on the fire. Negotiations don't like these guys. I mean, I... Then what are they going to do about it? Because they feel that they, in menace and in nuisance on the road, stopping people, you know, collecting money, stopping cars and thread, you know, they feel these guys are not peaceful. You know, not all, but some, you know, because if you listen to the radio stations, TV stations and the comments online, people are not happy with the modus operandi of the union. I mean, even market women have to pay. The KK Union leader, who says that M. Salomo has taken his union from him, you know, and he's threatening his life. It's a negation, of course, we don't know what that's true. But that's a negative view people have of this union. You have also recently another fight in another part of Lagos, which in two factions of the NURTW again, this time gunshots were fired, it took the police, going there and calling for backup reinforcement from the headquarters to handle the situation. And some said that was the way in welcoming the NURTW, welcome the new Lagos CP with a gunshot salute, you know. So anyway, this underscores the importance of people, you know, it explains why people are now saying online, you know, go get your PVC. If you don't have a strategy, you don't have a plan. It's not about sitting down and talking and shouting. It's about making sure people don't want to see the NURTW chase, chase voters away, you know, and then just, let's look at the video. This is real strategy, but it's about strategy, you know. They don't want to see the elections cut out and then they will have the people taken away by NURTW. In quote, thugs is what some people, the words some people used. I wouldn't use the word thugs on them, but some, if you look at the comments online, some are using the words thugs. You know, if you go back to previous elections, you see the papers write NURTW thugs, you know. So I don't think these guys are thugs, but that's the description that is being used. So people don't want to see this. So some say, you know, go and get your PVC. But you need to look at the kind of peasants that you have in the group, not necessarily trying to cast the gate, but like we have rightly stated, politics is a game of interest. And so people would always, you have different group of peasants. Political parties come in, you know, struggling to control power, control the seat of power and being in charge. And so you also need to understand the fact that this is what it is. And so people would actually employ strategy. Whatever strategy, whether it's morally right or not, is a strategy that has been put out. And so what are you doing on the other hand? It's the question. So 2023 is not just going to be just a walk in the park. A lot of work needs to be done. Some people think that nothing is going to change because we have been doing the same thing over and over again. And if you have on the other hand, you say you have a set of people, a group of people who are behaving in a sudden way, then how do you change that? You don't change that by just sitting back and complaining about it. You also need to come up with a strategy because that's a strategy that's been put there. We don't know what they're saying. We don't know how they're going to do it, but we understand the personality of the people involved. And so we can actually perceive and tell exactly what's going to happen in our own thoughts because of who and who is involved in all of this. And so it's important that we take 2023 very seriously. Behind just sitting back and talking about the fact that, okay, we're not impressed about this. How come these people are involved? It's the APC we're talking about 2023. And of course, you have a setting candidate that's been projected. So yes, let's get to the drawing board. If you feel dissatisfied with it, then it's okay to come up with another strategy to counter whatever strategy is being put out by different quotas. All right, so next on the chart is a 102-year-old woman who has presented herself for the 2023 president and that has been getting a lot of reactions across board. I mean, for myself. When I saw it, the first thing I said, I'm going to be very earnest. I'm like, are we now in a joke? Is this country not? Everything is a joke in this country. But to be very honest, let's look at the constitution. Everyone has a right to be voted and voted for. As long as we're concerned, the 1999 constitution as amended has not put an age limit to who should not contest. And so that's why you have a lot of persons come out to vote. So anybody can come out and she is exercising her right. She has a right to come out and declare her interest. Whether or not we feel that... Very strong woman. You can see her there. See her there. I mean, that's so much bravery if you don't talk about it. But we cannot negate the fact that this is what it is. I mean, on the lighter note, we could say what we can say. I've seen a lot of comments of people say, we will vote her. Some people have actually... Our president is not in the 50s and you also have those others who are coming up right now. People are just using this thing to include catch crews. Exactly. So the cruise is going on. I know that. I don't think you joke about online. But we need to accept the fact that everybody has a right to vote. Because the constitution has never said otherwise. So you have... There's an age where you can actually contest. And so, but there's no limit to who can actually contest. They don't say, oh, if you're more than 50, you can't contest. So she has a right. She's acting within her right. She's a Nigerian and it's fine. The people would decide. Yeah. So this is Mrs. Noya Josephine Azaieche declaring her intention to vie for the office of president in the 23rd year elections. She is the founder of a group known as Voice for Senior Citizens of Nigeria Organization. Voice for Senior Citizens of Nigeria Organization. And she's been called by some people, this is what they call her, a living legend, Mama Africa. She's from Anambra State and Aguta Aguata, rather, too precise. So this is her on a visit to the management of the Nigerian Television Authority to express her readiness to contest for the top position if the younger generation of the country are not ready. That's what she said. So maybe... If the younger generation are not ready, I will contest. And you can see she's talking clearly. She's a very strong articulate. She is in control of her speech and everything. And I'm so proud to see Mama out there. But the first thing, if I must be honest, the first thing that popped up in my mind was, who is making Mama do this? You understand? Who is making Mama do this? Who is putting on... Who is stopping Grandma? Yeah, who is pushing her to do this. But if what she's saying is that, if the youngsters are not going to come out, then I'll come out. Then I think that is a good statement. If what she's saying is that if the youngsters are not going to come out, then I will put myself forward. I think that is a challenge to the younger generation to step forward. It's a challenge to the younger generation to take control and to do the needful, not to sit back and just fold your hands and complain and whine. Because I mean, if you go down, memory lane and down history, you realize that those who've controlled and ruled the country and even organized schools, and fought wars in this country in the past, they started from a young age. But unfortunately, they have not left. The young people are waiting and now the mentality has become that you have to be old to do certain things. People start in their 20s, the likes of coming Krumah, the likes of Nelson Mandela, and Namdea ZQA and all these guys, they started young. They started young. Even if you look at the business cycles of those days, even if you look at the religious leaders of these times, the likes of Royedepo, of Adeboye and Ko, started at a young age. They started at a young age. So we need to remind the young people that when you're 20-something, it's you're old enough to do things. And whilst I think Mama doesn't mean and really mean, she wants to, like she says, the young people won't come out, I will come out. The challenge is a good one, but I hope that she can afterwards go take a rest. At this age, you don't want to be resting too much because if you rest too much, you might lose some of your strength. You want to be active and all that. So let's see how it pans out. Like you said, she has the right to have an ambition like this. But apart from Mama Eze, Noia Josephine Eze and Ehe coming out, some of the people who've been popping up online within and outside Nigeria say, no, I want to be president. I've seen some social media influencers, some youngsters abroad on Instagram say, you don't begin to ask yourself, is this becoming a joke? Do people want to trend? Is this now a trend? Are youngsters know how to use some things as a joke? It becomes a trend. Okay, let me just say I want to be president and let people talk about me and all that. So we'll wait and see, we'll wait and see. So if it's a challenge or it's a very good one, a lot of people have also seen that as a challenge, the fact that maybe she's sending a message to younger generation, but you also need to understand that we can't just wake up from the blues and say you want to contest. Yes, it's a good challenge for 2023 is here. How many more days do we have just before the elections, right? Is there enough time to have the young people, yes, as much as this could be a message to younger generation and to other persons who are out there, who have the capacity, but do we have enough time on the table? Would there be enough time? Because like I would constantly say, whether or not you like it, you need to have structures on ground. Elections are not just one by just being a young person or having a beautiful face and being very eloquent or having all of the education in the world. It goes beyond all of that. You need to have structures and these structures should be able to relate to the grassroots because that's how elections have been won. And so hopefully we get the younger generation or the message that she's trying to put out has been gotten, but 2023, would there be a time for us to practice all of this? Well, time will tell, time will tell. Interesting, but I'm close to my mouth for not sitting back and for throwing the challenge to the young people. Let's see how it goes. It's promised to be an interesting race. I don't think I've seen this many as parents in a presidential race in Nigeria before. It's good to see people coming out and expressing their intention, but like cooking soup or stew, if you add too much water, it loses its taste. You understand? If you add too much water, it loses. So I hope that all these voices coming out will not water down the essence of finding a new path or a progressive path, let's say, for Nigeria, to improve on the way things are because that's what needs to be done. That's it on the top trending segment right here on the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. We'll be back with more. We have interesting headlines coming on the front pages of the National Daily. Stay with us.