 all right we'll do it again welcome city of Santa Rosa we'd like to commence with our design review meeting and have a roll call let the record reflect that all board members are present except for chair Kincaid and board member Weigel so with that we have approval of minutes so are there any any comments on the draft minutes hearing none we can move ahead to board business and what I'm reading here is the review authority shall consider location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties in the city in general review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements so with that in regards to public comment we've got drew welcome to the room we're just getting started are there any matters before us today by any citizen of America that would wish to speak with us on subjects not here in hearing hearing none we'd like to talk about statements of abstention are there any parties abstaining from any items in this session I will be abstaining from item 6.2 the Santa Rosa housing first as I have a mutual client there in which case Drew Weigel will be taking over as chair for that item our target is to complete this journey by 6 o'clock for the CHB so with that excuse me staff would you like to comment in general here before we talk specifically about the AT&T yes so thank you vice chair hedge beth before we get started I just wanted to discuss the proceedings tonight since we have a couple of items on the DRB's agenda and then as you mentioned we have the joint meeting with the targeted start date of six o'clock we certainly need to make sure we efficiently get through our projects so we had a chance to chat the vice chair myself and board member Weigel earlier and want to make sure we adhere to the rules of order tonight so that order will include the staff presentation here at the outset then board questions for staff not comments we want to stick to questions at this point we'll then turn it over to the applicant for the presentation we're going to in adhering to the rules we're going to withhold questions from the board at that point for the applicant and then go to public comment and then after public comment we'll go back to questions from the board to the applicant certainly of staff if you have any and then we'll look for a motion second to the motion and then you can go into your board discussion and we'll go with a sequential kind of down the line for each board member you can do your friendly amendments at that time those need to be approved by the motion-maker by the second and then we'll do the vote so it's just a little bit more strict adherence to these rules and so hopefully that'll get us through in an efficient manner and unless anyone has any questions for me I will turn it over to Susie for the staff presentation thank you bill with that let's let's move along and Susie share with us item 6.1 which is the Santa Rosa or South Santa Rosa AT&T telecommunications facility which is proposed at 440 Hearn Avenue the project proposes to install a 65 foot telecommunications tower and they've proposed they proposed a pine we've seen a eucalyptus and staff is recommending a eucalyptus this will replace an existing mono pole style tree the antennas will be at the same level and the entitlements include a design review before you tonight and the conditional use permit which the Planning Commission approved last Tuesday June 13th the the project actually the site history back in 1999 the the tower that is there was constructed went through the process then and again now they're proposing to replace that entirely because it's a new tower it requires both the full design review and conditional use permit process the application the first application design review was submitted in December early December last year and then the companion conditional use permit came in later that month as I mentioned earlier that the Planning Commission approved the CUP so here's an aerial image of the site the existing cell tower the mono pole is located in the southeast corner of the site and I've got a picture later on that pulls back a little bit further that property is located within an area designated as retail and business services on the general plan land use diagram as you can see it's surrounded or up to the northwest and south by the same types of uses it's also within the Roseland area is a vast full road specific plan the zoning is general commercial which is consistent with the general plan land use designation and telecommunications towers are kind of an anomaly in our design review or design guidelines the design guidelines are actually shown in the zoning code so as it was laid out in your staff report this is has been the mono tree has been found to meet the the design guidelines or in compliance with staff is recommending the eucalyptus tree for a couple of reasons first pine trees which is normally what comes into the city is a tree that is exempt from our tree ordinance so it kind of made sense to do something that's not exempt from the tree ordinance but the real trigger was that in the folder when I inherited the application was a leaf from the pine tree or from the eucalyptus tree and it has a much gray or green foliage that is in in in my opinion certainly it blends better and and we also heard during the planning commission meeting from the chair of the planning commission that she recommended the eucalyptus tree as well so again I've said it will replace an existing mono pole style antenna let's see and the additional height allows for the design of the tree so here's the site plan as you can see the tree which is located or the existing pole which is where the tree would go and the equipment shed or storage area are all located at the southeast corner but it's tucked behind the other uses on the site and then as people exit highway 101 which is just in the low would be in the lower right-hand corner of your diagram up there they would be looking at the pole and there's a rendering of it or a photo simulation of it with the big blends in with other trees on the site so here is that aerial that I was telling you about so you can see the site it's really almost adjacent highway 101 the DMV is up to the northeast there's a self-storage facility to the west and a extended stay hotel to the south there's a gas station to the north of it and then some residential uses off kind of to the northwest the three photo simulations I'm going to show you are from these three vantage points that shown by the stars so the first view from highway 101 if you exit on the top there you can see the existing mono tower and sirens drowning me out and on the but the bottom it would be the this is the eucalyptus that you're looking at here's the view from the hotel to the south looking up our north from their driveway and then this is the view from the storage facility to the west on from Dow Drive here are some kind of pictures of what the tree looks like up close and then here is the alternative pine tree this is a picture of the existing equipment enclosure there are no changes proposed to that the project has been found in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act it qualifies for a couple categorical exemptions there are no unresolved issues and no comments received from the public that pertain to the design of the poll there were several people that showed up at the Planning Commission meeting concerned about 3g 4g 5g and the effects of radiation and what have you that was addressed during the Planning Commission meeting so again that what the project is before you is what that that poll is going to look like so with that is recommended by the Planning and Economic Development Department that the Design Review Board grant preliminary design review for the mono tree telephone communications facility and delegate final design review to staff for the property located at 440 Huron Avenue and the applicant is here to help me answer questions and does not have a presentation thank you Susie well with that we're going to have an applicant a question yes thank you questions of staff I'm sorry so any so Susie I have a question I emailed you about do we have the samples of the leafs that was my biggest yes Patty can you can you hand those around so Patty's got a sample of the eucalyptus tree sorry and she's just going to pass those down there's a sample of the bark also just the bark yeah perfect and then and the pine tree will come down after the I have a procedural question for you yeah so the documents look like they're referencing the mono pine right so we would if we changed it to the eucalyptus we would have to condition the project as such correct yeah we just yeah okay and then so why are you guys not recommending final today as well just out of curiosity because it seems like kind of a procedural thing if you want to grant final design review I certainly wouldn't have any issue with that okay I just was curious about those elements yeah it seemed like everything was complete so if there wasn't anything kind of missing at least in my mind so it often seems like things are complete and the board has lots of conditions for sure sure sure those are my questions thanks you bet thank you drew any other questions hearing none we will go on to the applicant presentation which we don't have could we at least know your name to be cheerful and friendly good evening chair and board members my name is Misako Hill I represent AT&T I want to take this opportunity to thank Susie for working with me on this project and I've read the staff report and AT&T agrees with all the conditions and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have regarding the design or any details of the project thank you again it it has a very self-explanatory nature to it thank you for all your hard work well with that we can move on to public members neighbors countrymen anyone here wishing to because we heard from staff that there was no emails texts tweets nothing came to you hearing hearing no one rise we can then forward ourselves to either further questions or in motion chair if I may yes I move to approve for that case I move to approve preliminary and final design review for design re-majors south Santa Rosa have south Santa Rosa AT&T telecommunications tower 440 Herron Avenue file number dr 18-086 with the one condition that we change the monopole as designed as a pine to a eucalyptus and wave the reading of the text without any discussion well under Rosenberg's rules we can then have a second and then we can discuss okay so everyone will get a chance to discuss but the the motion on the floor needs a second to forward such discussion thank you Henry okay with that is a discussion it can be one by one it can be if some members don't wish to discuss they don't have to but we can start Henry with you and you're heralded either way whether you speak or not thank you chairman Warren Warren I have no comments I like the proposal as is I like the eucalyptus option better than the pine and that's my comment thank you Henry had a yes thanks to the presentation thanks for yeah I appreciate the wanted the redesign as AT&T have you considered not doing a foetree I think one of the requirements with the new ordinance this site this site was actually decommissioned so we had to reapply but the current telecommunications ordinance requires stealth design so we were not allowed to proceed with the tower as it is that was the reason Susie so stealth design just means it's got to be they can't be this big round it's it's not necessarily something that's defined it doesn't have to be a tree it can be it can be a lot of things we've got we've got crosses we've got water towers we've got trees and we've got regular towers but given the location the findings would not be met if it weren't disguised or reduced or something so there isn't anything in the ordinance that requires that it be a tree there is yeah and if it's not in plain view it's not required to be disguised so I believe that my comment is more on the policy rather than on the specific design chairman wondering if I should save that till afterwards because it's a advisory to staff pretty much so Adam what you're saying then is that procedurally with a motion you wish to just either inform and lighten or give some illumination to policy after the motion is that the correct procedure if I may yeah if you have comments or concerns about the policies related to this we're happy to take it now we can take those down in and look at our policy and as we are updating our code when we have opportunities we can certainly look at making any changes okay because my my comment is primarily even to to disguise the pole as a faux tree I would would my recommendation I can talk about afterwards too but and I don't want I when I gotta talk to staff that I don't want to stop the project because I know that if we if I you know stopped it you would have to kick back to begin begin design all over again that's not my intention but the just the fact of actually having faux trees I'm I would prefer to have a tower because I feel like a faux tree sticks out more more than a tower does disguising is sometimes even more obtrusive than so that's my comment for now thanks thank you Adam I know that they have to maintain I think in the policy the UV light fading the trees every 11 years they have to replace and that's appreciate your comment Eric no concerns no comments thank you Eric go ahead Brett I guess in looking at looking at the renderings themselves there can you clarify again and maybe I missed it the renderings or the visualizations those show the eucalyptus is that correct yes they do and the slides were updated this morning so if you're not looking at what's on the screen I think you probably have the most current in front of you as well but it's it's not the change in the view was not significant it's just basically changed manufacturers of eucalyptus trees and I think a better cut shows the color better yeah I think the the visualizations are great I think in looking at the alternative the pine tree it's actually from a form perspective maybe a little bit nicer for better or maybe there's an opportunity with the eucalyptus to make it not so conical not conical but cylindrical as the renderings kind of show yeah that's I guess that and then the density at the top versus kind of the the rest of and I know that I know why is because you have you have your you have your panels up top and that's you know plus the the leaves so if there's a way to kind of make the foliage equally as dense from that six or 55 foot down wherever those panels end I think would would help kind of balance it or make it at least not stick out as much I don't I actually don't mind I mean it's kind of funny I've I'm always hoodwinked by these because I'm always double taking so good job yeah I guess with the eucalyptus just showing that I appreciate that too having the multi stem or the multi trunk to it that's I guess whatever's up on so I'm sorry it's so we actually it should be a single right trunk trunk it's not going to be multi-tron kind of like this one you know the renderer cut the blue sky and that's a pixelated right but that aside on under yeah totally understand I think it's just really in the visualizations the weight of the weight of the the leaves and in such below your communication panels so thank you that's all yeah I made the motion so I think everybody knows where I stand I just want to approve it I do want to actually kind of respond to Adam I think a duck is a duck right a cell tower is a cell tower and when we have opportunities to stealthily hide them amidst buildings that would be appropriate but I don't think this particular site lends itself to that based on where it is so I think that's exactly why we see these because there may be a I mean we just had one of these where we had it it's a bell tower at the church or whatever right which made sense you know it's beneficial for the church because they get a little bit extra cash for leasing their land so I think in this instance you know a tower wouldn't make any sense because it would be that the tower would make no sense in the location because it's adjacent to the car lots and kind of what's going on there in that area so that's why we look at these I think individually so I would disagree with that but sorry that's all I've got thank you very much for your presentations thank you staff that is all okay with that my I appreciate Adam your your thoughts in the future about locations I know that sometimes the the arrays and back to you Misako Misako when large drums in the 2019 technology being different than 1999 the original tower had a more tapered top I'm assuming that this this more Saturn ring effect at the top that that array is more helpful to AT&T it also conflicts a bit with the tapered top Brett's conversation that the eucalyptus as they grow they tend to be more inverted urn shape which technically hides or stealths the the larger drum so it's it's kind of it's it's chasing visuals here I I respect and understand Brett the desire for more tapered top but you got to hide the drum so maybe in some ways as we look at a motion here staff loves the the leaves the eucalyptus we have to choose one over the other and collectively how the tree is exactly shaped and tapered there's a tone of delegating of letting go here at this at this counter so that staff you can work together but you've got to hide the the the vitals the techno 10 must be hid so that's the under underscore so so with that I believe I'm hearing in general that this motion and the second continue and with discussion we could have a real call would that be a rude intrusion on the process here or would would we want to okay let's go ahead and have a real call board member weigel weigel I board member cordon brock I board member goldschlag board member wicks board member Sharon I vice chair hedge beth I thank you we appreciate your work and hopefully people will be less frustrated with your draft calls with that I'm going to abstain and the the next session six o'clock so I'm gonna give the gavel to drew and with that okay okay so with that we'll move on to item 6.2 concept design review Santa Rosa housing first 80 college have file number dr 19 037 new a new three-story 54 unit multifamily residential project for formerly homeless individuals approximately 36,915 square feet and with that we'll turn it over to a staff presentation so planner Ross I believe thank you chair weigel members of the board again my name is Adam Ross I'm the city planner with the city of Santa Rosa the project before you is the Santa Rosa housing first it's a concept design review so we're looking for comments from you to take forward in the final design review of the application the project is a 54 unit supportive housing development 53 of those units will be single will be studios for formerly homeless individuals and there's one single bed there's a single one bedroom for onsite management projects 33 three stories 33 feet tall and it's 100% affordable so it's the entitlements and review process or it's permitted by right in downtown it's in within the downtown stationary specific plan so it's a priority development area so and under the resilient city development measures you would take concept item for a project such as this normally it would go to you for preliminary and or final designer view but under those circumstances with resilient city which I believe is on a later slide for the to go a little bit more in a detail but it allows concept from you and then it's approved from the zoning administrator after this so this is the portion where you would provide the comments again or recommendations as well other than that it includes a density bonus supplemental so that is also approved by the zoning administrator and it's also subject to an expedited review so the location map it's a little hard to see but I have this pointer here so it's this this site here which goes around it's it's here's Cleveland Avenue I'm sorry Cleveland Avenue north and south and east and west is College Avenue there's a building shown on this elevation which is no longer there it was demolished this past year here's a site analysis map kind of gives the the layout of the of the project I'll go through it a little bit more so the general plan land use is retail and business service which allows 30 units per acre CG so under resiliency development measures it's permitted by right use and it's a density bonus application it's it's total density bonus that it can achieve is 80% as well as concessions right now there are no concessions or waivers requested along with the density bonus application so here's a site plan we have an entrance just south of the intersection of Cleveland and College it's an entrance into the site parking this is not a part of it this is an existing building on site or I'm sorry on the adjacent parcel here's a covered bicycle parking believe it's it has 54 plus bicycle parking spaces and you have solar on the roof and then landscaping throughout you have an open courtyard here and then there's a slight overhang of the proposed solar panels on the College Avenue from the top of the roof the first floor plan which shows the the studio units on the site and it will go up from there I just wanted to point out as well this is directly adjacent to the smart rail line and the multi-use path the project proposes an entrance on the side with the gate but that won't be a part of the ending of the final design smart as indicated they don't they don't want that but there's a main entrance to the site up here which is right on to College Avenue and there's access to the trail right here the second floor each unit in the front provides provides like a not quite a patio private open space patio is as usually requested in multifamily designs but based on the there's like an overhang that goes in front of the doors they can supplement that that that general requirement and the roof plan for solar again as well there's kind of a 3d rendering of what the site would look like there's a gate going into the site for access there are only 11 parking spaces 11 parking spaces provided they're under government code section which I can get for you shortly which I have somewhere but it basically says that the studio units because it's supportive housing does not you cannot require parking spaces for those units so the room the parking spaces on site would be dedicated to staff because there's also offices therapy rooms and laundry facilities on site here's from the backside so here's a smart rail side the trail and a chain link fence proposed and see this is the kind of section in front of the doorways you all all units are entered internally their front doors there's larger windows that face outwards and again on Cleveland Avenue or sorry College Avenue so right here the ground floor is also 18 inches off the ground so it provides a level of privacy for the first floor residents here the elevations some of the design aims to it aims for an industrial and commercial look with stucco and metal panels and the flat roof to support the solar panels on the top and so again these are just the elevations for your for your reference and to make recommendations on and that's the end of my presentation I can answer any questions you have and Frank Viscani the applicant architect is here to give a presentation and also answer any questions you may have thanks Adam and so what we're gonna do then is we're going to turn it back to the board here questions to staff right now only on process and zoning code related issues please so Henry we'll start with you Ross can we get more detailed information or me specifically about the parking and how that did you say it was a state regulation that they're falling under that doesn't require any parking on site other than employee parking yes I could get that for you I could get pull that up for you and reference the section and and provide you with any additional information after the meeting as well and it's the parking would be for the 53 units that wouldn't count towards it the one there's one on-site management unit that would require parking one covered space and one and half of a reserve space I believe within the downtown section but I can get that for you and I believe that it's assembly bill 2162 regarding supportive housing which was adopted in 2018 does that apply to just downtown it applies to all supportive housing regardless of the area whether it's cities or even County that's my understanding yeah so actually can I interrupt here so I think maybe what would be helpful to the board I don't know if everybody understands what the difference between support supportive housing and affordable housing because there is a significant difference so could you please just briefly describe the difference yeah so under the under the city ordinance and that this public resources code which talks about that supportive housing is for formerly homeless individuals kind of like a transitional housing if you're familiar with that at all and how it's looked at in the city's eyes and in a lot of ways is multifamily is how it's kind of processed normally but with that new bill we have we have to kind of accept that which supersedes city code so we do have a definition of supportive housing in our zoning code that I'm happy to read okay so supportive housing is housing that is occupied by a target population such as low-income persons with mental disabilities substance abuse or chronic health conditions services typically include assistance designed to meet the needs of the target population in retaining housing living and working in the community and or improving health and may include case management mental health treatment and life skills there's typically no limit on the length of stay and the housing is linked to on-site or off-site services perfect thank you very much I think it's important to understand the difference because this is a very different type of housing model I've seen a number of these projects throughout the country and parking is always a big question mark right well oh we've got 110 units of supportive housing and there's 10 parking spaces well the answer is these people don't have cars they don't have access to those types of things and I think that's a critical thing that's important to understand about this type of housing just so that both the public and the board understands why this is kind of an atypical project I guess I would say so Adam do you have any questions for staff thanks for clarifying that for everyone Drew nope no questions for staff right now Eric no no questions thank you and Brett no questions okay perfect oops I'm sorry so with that we will move on to an applicant presentation if you have one so please announce yourself to the board and the floor is yours yes my name is Frank Visconti I'm an architect work for a company called Roll Broca architects from Eugene Oregon and and we have been working with Dan Coe which is a company out of Arcada and their mission really is to develop these types of facilities and they're exactly what was described they are providing long-term if not permanent housing for people veterans homeless and whatnot and it's a supportive environment they can lock themselves in their room for two weeks it's not a supervised kind of facility it's more of an apartment building that has staff that engages them life skills there's a series of therapy rooms multi-purpose rooms communal laundry certain things to get them to socially interact with one another and it's it's based on a European model I was using the times recently but it's a it is a very unique building type and and we are very excited about trying to address the the the issues of homelessness with with projects like these which are focused on on rehabilitation for multiple double diagnosis type of tenants and whatnot but so let me just how do you forward can I just go to the next slide oh okay so we we know where this site is we it's it's one of one of the benefits or one of the real one of the real positive aspects of supportive housing is to located in downtown areas not rural not isolated and you know there's there's lots of services there's transportation this is a great site it's a great part of of town to to bring people to live because they are close to a multitude of things that will make them feel integrated or being part of society and not being sort of put out out in the the outskirts so these these are excellent kind of sites because they are sort of finding sites that are difficult or or or you know next to the asphalt plant or things like that and to try to try to try to you know make make a building like this for for these types of individuals and being part of the center of town they they would have access to mass transit and again the car issue is a discussion but it's highly unlikely and very rare that they would have cars knowing that they have basically starting from scratch here the incentive is as as as they get sort of re rebalanced with with with living in a city and they get a job jobs families reconnect with their families that that they will move out and that they can start again but there's a lot of care involved in these types of facilities right now we know that bicycles are another very important part of transportation so we're providing covered bike parking and it's a central focus of our courtyard and I know in some cases bicycles have been donated to these types of facilities before which is another really great sign of of collaboration with trying to help people we this was part of Adam's present presentation but the main the main focus is the is of the length of building is along College Avenue and we've recessed the other wing back from the smart trail with the series of buffer trees and whatnot to kind of you know reduce the noise that's another criteria for our design to which we will get into more detail as we develop it as far as the materials go I brought these slides this is a project that we just finished ourselves and it basically has the palette that we're proposing it's a metal metal panel system vertical metal panel system concealed fastener or not but this one is a particularly affordable type of panel with a stucco treatment below so it has a sort of clean line large windows and it has a sort of industrial aesthetic and it's a very simple sort of simple proposal for for for the building which will be you know close to 300 feet long once inside the building there's a south facing courtyard which brings sun into the courtyard all day and we do plan to have urban flower gardens which is part of the part part of the programs that they have there as well as some landscaping which we will utilize those planted areas for stormwater treatment as we develop project further but the this the project on the right is actually an affordable housing project in Santa Monica that kind of inspired or has some very similar elements that inspired our our idea of having a courtyard these are a little bit more current renderings is kind of an aerial of the building along Santa along College Avenue the the entrance is kind of a celebrated portal which it kind of looks greenish in this in this picture here but where we have some of the projections on the building modulate the linearity of the facade and those projections are actually some of the common rooms along the laundry room things like that that actually express that they're coming out of the building but basically all the units are very very similar sort of very simple designed 350 square foot studios with a kitchen and and and all the units are universally accept accessible which is another thing that we've been developing and in these this type of work is to not to basically go for the universal design this is across the street from College Avenue another another item that that that these types of facilities are are are great to develop is a PV panels we have about 80 kilowatts so far figured out here we're going to be calculating as we develop the the energy usage but we expect to be able to cover all of the tenants as a kind of a close to net zero it may not cover the office use but it should cover all the tenant use in terms of electricity this is coming up towards the the entrance there's a 24-7 security office right when you come in and that's as I said staffed all the time so it's actually controlled access it's very important for these tenants to really be on their own with the staff and to try to not encourage visitors too much it gets complicated so so so all points of the project are essentially secure to those tenants that would essentially carry key fobs and stuff like that to gain access to the building this is a view from the smart train smart trail there's another one and then once you're coming in from the parking lot for instance there you can see that the deck is raised up and that creates this patio with the bike parking and plantings and focus on the southern exposure that the site has we would have seating and umbrellas and planting and basically everything circulates around the courtyard so everybody's kind of aware of what's going on another very important part is that that 24-7 security office will will basically have a visual contact with everybody so it's a little sublime but it's very important to make sure that there are no places to hide you know or just that everything is as open as possible so we try to eliminate the you know closed quarters double-loaded quarters those type of things in favor of this type of this type of treatment so this is the walkways which are actually about seven feet wide they're generous and and then they overlook the courtyard I have a little I have a little file here which will take one minute it sort of gives you a better idea of the scale of the building yeah that's it while they're pulling that up I will just clarify I looked up the AB 2162 requirements and for the zero parking requirement the supportive housing does need to be located within one half mile of a public transit stop and it is within a half mile of the smart station in downtown and very close to a half mile within from the northern smart station on Gernville it's also right across the street from a city bus stop as well so this is a this is a video rendering of the building and you can see as you cut through traffic and you can see that the first floor has a has a ramp as well as a couple of steps to get you up to that to that level the security office is on the left and then you come through this portal and then you're into this secure private and southern lit courtyard with all the units and circling it those garage doors over there to a multi-purpose room which they use for like weekly town weekly sort of town hall meetings there's a kitchen in there where they get instruction on nutrition and whatnot so we wanted to engage that into the open space there's a three fire stairs in this project as well and you can see the existing quonset hut which in an odd way is a historic feature of the site and then this is just a sort of an aerial view of the building with its solar panels and the walkways where the wing comes out of the the long bar of the building we were at we're showing some some diagonal terraces which are sort of places to hang out like porches which occur on each floor and that's it thank you very much for your time and opportunity to present this to you and to the staff who've been very helpful cool thank you very much for your presentation this time it looks like there's one member of the public do you have a comment on this project or okay if you could go up to one of the two pedestals up there and give us your name and you have three minutes right three minutes for comment thank you my name is Gregory Farron I'm president of a new non-profit that's using some state money it's called Sonoma applied village services but I've built about a hundred units in Santa Rosa over the last 40 years and used to be the executive director of an agency called community support network which has houses in your city and has been serving homeless mentally ill for 40 years so I'm sort of versed in this issue and of this client group and I understand because I'm participating right now in the process of trying to help housing first get implemented in the state of California and I'm very aware of the supportive services and supportive housing I have a lot of admiration for your energy and your ideas and the site I'm not here to oppose it in any way but I'm here to suggest that you and the group that's building this work closely with everyone else in Santa Rosa and Sonoma County who's trying to do this there's a lot of people who have spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to build the kind of capacity in individuals to transform their lives and to deal with issues that they have to deal with and I'm sure you're well aware of that I'm a little suspicious of your parking I want to say that we have facilities that deal with the same people and we're building others right now and many of them have cars even the poorest of homeless right now are using safe parking and using RVs and using cars and using bike carriers to get around they're using buses but not smart trains and they're and I think you're probably gonna have some people who will probably overuse your bike parking and there'll be an awful lot of people who will bring cars to that general neighborhood and park where other people don't want them to park so I think parking saying that gee they're poor and they don't have cars is pretty oversimplified other than the parking the design looks okay to me but you know your flyover looks like everyone's under 25 and I and is abled you know it looks like a college campus more than it looks like to me a homeless in campment because you will have disabled you will have old and infirm individuals and we try to build villages where people relate to each other and the community and this one looks like more like a jail and it does a housing facility I want to help you make it better than that and so I hope we can work together and I hope this is approved because we desperately need this kind of housing we definitely also need supportive services in this housing and I don't see that supportive services being supported very much a resident manager and 54 people is not supportive housing thank you thank you for your comments so at this time I'd like to bring it back to the board and we'll be looking for a motion on this well no we don't have them okay we're it's concept design so we'll just do sorry I'm look I'm on my list here going through my things let's just go down the down the row with some comments and then I'll try to summarize the comments at the end for staff so without further due Henry would you like the hot seat I love I love the hot seat but I'd like to start with a question rather than a comment of the designer the railing system I guess my overall I'll change my mind I will start with a comment because outside the building has a certain vernacular to our architecture and the inside is very different than that it's very very horizontal accentuated by your horizontal boards on your railing system versus the outside which is is fairly vertical in its breakup of its of its nature so I was curious about the the railing design and why you pick that and why I noticed in one of the other pictures that was successful in another project sure it's a it's it's really a concept right now but we we're trying not to do wood rails because of maintenance we also you know have done steel rails which also requires maintenance and has a lot of penetrations through if for their support as well as you know requiring potentially expensive galvanizing or epoxy paint so we're trying to do something that's a little more simple where we're using a superstructure within the double rail that's like a galvanized metal and it's and simple and then the the slats themselves would be some sort of cementitious fiberboard that would require less maintenance there's a kind of garden aspect of it as a trellis in a sense I mean if you want to talk you know sort of you know metaphors and stuff like that but but in the end it's a simpler version of of of what you see you know as a as a as a wood rail that would require just a lot more structure and a lot more maintenance but I don't know if that answers your question it does it's so it's not wood it appears no it's not the rendering yeah the the the the panels would be five fiber cement strips that are like a rain cloud rain rain screen cladding could be hardy board it could be treks we haven't really figured out exactly what the material is the the one in Santa Monica actually I think we can improve on it had a lot of well anyway it's so we're looking into the materials but it wouldn't be a natural material okay I guess my only comment that I'd offered to to consider in as you move forward is to is to change that design I make it less horizontal have it more of a open mesh type type railing system yeah I definitely would take take that advice again these are you know very early schematics we're trying to show you what we've been to develop so far but I think that's that's a good comment for sure yeah and I I appreciate the the the housing opportunity you're creating for for a segment that desperately needs that ability to be able to transition to hopefully transition in the future to something else looking at the site plan if if you potentially pushed the parking 18 feet over you could create another row create another 10 parking spots potentially that would allow the person that is transitioning to have a car and not have to move out right away and that's almost more of a personal comment to me as I as I see people in need and then get a helping hand and then eventually are able to get out on their own I'd hate to see the cars go into the neighborhood if if the opportunity arose for somebody to get a job and they needed transportation to get to that job and not have an opportunity to park and maybe there's a way to share park those those 11 spaces on the site I just like to see that provision but to have zero or just one spot seems for for staff clarification the 18 move over 18 feet do you mean from the Kurt wheel stops to the West 18 feet correct okay thank you yeah what you're saying is to provide a two-way two-way out drive aisle with parking on either side yes and that's something we can look at for sure you know we were in the end the the courtyard is an important element of this of the scheme the more parking that that consumes that you know it becomes it just it reduces the opportunities for being outdoors but I think that I've heard enough comments that I think we should try to see if we can if we if we can think that through to possibly increase our parking okay that's it for me good luck with your project moving forward I'm excited for you Adam sure thanks and definitely wonderful project really glad to see that this is happening I drive past that pretty much every day with my son we go his preschool we live in the JC neighbor and they go down to college so he'll be excited you'll have one community member who's excited to see the construction happening he's five so and also it's an improvement over the buildings that were there they were been in for a while and there was a really great graffito of Jerry Garcia like on the second floor hidden so that's not he said try and incorporate that in a good idea do you know the graffiti I'm talking about I could send you I took a picture it was right before I got demolished because it was it's surprising to see it up there so but it's basically because it was abandoned but in all seriousness now seriousness yeah I really like what you've done in terms of creating the open courtyard aspect in the and taking in consideration of the south-facing units there and keeping this kind of inter sanctuary for people that really need it so I think the courtyard is is a very important portion of it I like that you are thinking about programming it would echo our community members feedback to work with local programs with practitioners just to just have a conversation because there are people that are trying to do work in this realm another question related to that I know you're in concept but do you have a landscape architect on board or a designer or you doing that in-house or we actually have a landscape designer in house okay and so yeah we would be we would be providing that great perfect again did to continue with that programming aspect and it sounds like you're thinking about that with the Santa Monica project near urban gardens and having the courtyard be programming I would say push that too and also you know even kind of from the beginning think about how you can partner with certain organizations there's a there's one called daily acts in the county I don't know if you have heard of them but they do they could be an interesting partner or at least have feedback on sort of programming aspects you could make this an active courtyard what do they provide daily acts lots of different social support but in terms of social support but also okay landscape sure you know they're a broad umbrella I would just say look into them and a question let's see here the proposed bike lane so I know from biking on college in this area there is the bike lane and then it goes away when you get close to the intersection and you're proposing to actually have one in there when you're creating or getting close to the intersection going east yes we the sidewalk on the west side is over 10 feet wide so we're we're actively working on with a with a track with W trans and and the staff trying to propose a multi-use bike lane which basically allows a bike to buy to be adjacent to a pedestrian sidewalk and we're also where the curb is cutting back in its existing form the east portion of College Avenue has the possibility of a five-foot bike lane on the roadside so we're working to try to merge that so that we can get one continuous bike lane across the across the building and so oh yeah and and trying to minimize the the amount of cutting of the existing curbs because there's a lot of utilities there so it's it's kind of a if a it's a cost-sensitive issue because you know we were one you know we're just trying to keep as much of the utilities there as we can so just a little clarification for anyone watching at home this sidewalk is wide and it it goes up to here you can see this kind of grainy looking pattern on the site on the plan and then it goes to this kind of like white with a stripe in between it that's the transition from the sidewalk and and they're working with staff right now to figure out what that transition may or may not look like for an even smooth and properly sloped ramp and then it turned into a I believe a class 2 bicycle lane which is a striped bicycle lane and it would match up with the existing bicycle lane there's the the on-ramp turn lane and then there's a bike lane in the middle of that with the two lanes on the college is a hairy intersection but yeah I believe so okay I don't know totally everything that part I know what I just said but traffic engineering and and EDS is also working with the applicant on on defining that so it's being it's being looked at which yeah it was that's great how about the connections of the crosswalk and the traffic signals are going to be it says you know all traffic signals to remain but they're going to be I don't know any you know changes to that crosswalk because going across Cleveland there on college so I don't I don't know exactly what it may look like I believe right now they're trying to keep everything as is as a frank had mentioned for cost preventative measures to be able to to provide this project on site but I don't know I can provide some additional information as that comes to comes to fruition what once engineering and traffic staff that's going to be a really important crosswalk and connection to the neighborhood because going down Cleveland the Quonset huts are basically at the street I've walked out before yeah and it's so you know there you you know that's it's there's no it's access down Cleveland on that side on the west side it's an odd building position for an existing structure like that yeah definitely great I'm glad to hear that's all being looked at and I would encourage because of the the connections without you know parking and without cars you know connections to the biking and pedestrian network are gonna be really really important seems like you're thinking of that in terms of parking actually one thing of eating into the courtyard I know that you've gotten comments about that and feedback and you know Henry brought up of going into the car with 18 feet I would try and maximize that that in our courtyard keep it as a sanctuary but you know it's that's my my view to really give give this you know people people a sense of place it's very important in their in in their rooms but then also outside as well just to just to let you know the part of the part of the part of the parking calculation based on on on the on the regulations is to define the quantity of people that will be there in terms of office and and and and residents resident manager so so we're we're confirming those numbers and well that that will at least you know provide for that I think that will over that but again I still think that we can look at more parking okay last couple of things with your designer on board of there in house with the in all your your mock-ups and that vegetation you have palms and very southern California yeah I would as I've said you probably will be thinking of but think more site-specific it's interesting because down the street on Cleveland there's a whole series of palm trees and so that was kind of that kind of triggered well we could do that there they probably wouldn't be as mature as what we're showing but but but yeah we we we have to program that as well but I the fact that there were some palm trees down the street was kind of like hey let's let's let's play that up a little bit because it's definitely it's nice because you can yeah I mean there's plenty of fun things planted all over definitely palms I mean even you know going with redwoods something like that not it's not terribly appropriate for this site in particular so something like that like palm like a redwood you know doesn't exist in Santa Rosa plain and so when you're you know if your designers up and based in Oregon you know think about more site-specific and appropriate the tree canopy because that'd be really important and then the last questions about the safety and security aspect on the west side of the site adjacent to the smart trail fencing that's there in your you've got it specced as a new chain-link fencing I mean in your renderings it said chain link is it just going to be eight foot high chain link fencing with hedge we actually got some feedback from the smart smart trail system or sorry smart train system and they they their maximum height is six six feet but again the plantings are going to you know be part part of integrated into that and they don't have any specific requirements for the fencing so yeah for materials so most most of it is chain link that I've seen so that's something that we'll be looking a little bit more into but we're restricted to six foot height and smart also based on previous projects they they like a see-through fence a transparent type fencing so that anyone on the trail you know public safety issues you can see all of it so that's one of the conditions they provided another being vegetation right up to the fence line be limited to three feet in height so that they can continue to see through further back I think it's it's not as standard but the vegetation right up to the to the fence between the smart rail path and the the property is has a limit of three feet and city design guidelines in our station area plan also requires transparency for fencing along the smart trail so going so when you're on smart trail it needs to be transferred looking into the properties okay it's it's for eyes on the on the trail itself so yeah yeah because my concern is is for both of those for eyes on the trail but then also eyes on the facility because I mean one of the things is transitional housing is trying to keep people away from sketchy situations and you know there you know the smart trail has some sketchy situations going on at sometimes and so keeping keeping that safety and security aspect you know thinking of people's safety there there are two gates you've got you've got the concrete pathway at the southern portion and then one other gate at the northern portion sorry yeah we actually got a response from smart that that they they do not allow gates onto the onto the trail so we're going to be removing that from from our proposal both of those yeah along the north side though we should be able to have access from it the northwest corner right towards the intersection up near the train crossing yeah okay so hey Adam we're coming up on our six o'clock here so we got about ten minutes left and three board members so do you have anything pressing left in your comments no this is the last one okay yeah so thinking about that just you know that safety security aspect there too and that'll do it thank you Eric do you have anything yeah a few quick questions first off where does the conclusion come from in regards to prospective tenants not having vehicles that is not my experience over 30 years of working with homeless and mentally it's it was something that I agree we need to look into making more parking available some of our other projects were in downtown areas where there was a lot of off-street parking and so that issue was kind of was not I mean on street parking I'm sorry that issue was was not not not so contestable because there was plenty of part urban parking in this case because of our the the lot and its configuration and the lack of on-street parking is is creating this greater question so I agree we need we need to look into it a little bit more the conclusions not from any particular study no it's not from any particular study okay the other are the units air conditioned or we are planning to provide many splits for each of the units which would be air conditioning and heating okay because that's it's a remote condenser unit with a small fan coil unit wall mounted they're pretty common I'm expecting that you that you might know what they are but yeah anyway that's that's that's that's what we're planning to do it's an in-unit air conditioner yeah so we and as because we're an early stage I mean I definitely that's these are all the questions that we're coming up with now we found some very in a very efficient P-tax that that we could also use as well we're trying was the units that are on College Avenue windows do high traffic noise you know if there's no ventilate no no air conditioning right that could we do have to meet STC certain STC values for our for our windows so so that that's another layer that addresses this this the urban noise situation too and looking at the plans it looks like most of the end units have cooking units in it but most of the studios do not is that all the studio all the studios have cooking they will have a refrigerator the only thing that they won't have is a garbage disposal and a dishwasher okay and then my last comment looking at the parking space the turn-around area maybe this is more of a question for staff there's no hammerhead turn-around for fire I'm concerned in regards to access to the to the south building and having enough room for first responders being able to turn around in that parking lot and having access to either pass each other or etc so maybe a solution may be to move encroach on the on the courtyard by moving some of those parking structures another eight feet to the west making the courtyard slightly smaller but greatly enhancing that available the room that's in the parking area for for that excellent questions we came out with those if I can just just give a quick summary of where we are we met with with fire department and we're providing we're going to provide aerial access along College Avenue which means that our building will actually be less than 30 feet right now it's 33 so we're going to be making that change and as far as the the driveway length we've calculated that it's 150 feet and that they have 150 feet for their hose length without requiring the hammerhead based on this design so if I may interrupt yeah look on architectural site plan there's a dotted red line that swoops and that's the 150 foot hose length which terminates at the end of the fire line diagram our fire line driveway that's indicated 150 feet there I was I kind of missed it at first and then I was like wait oh there's a red line what is that okay Brett I think I echo some of the concerns or considerations that Henry brought up especially about the frontage or the facade along college just a way to you talk about it being in excess of 300 feet and so is there you've done some things with the roof and that entry kind of that portal to kind of break up the massing and so maybe there's a slightly larger gesture to break up those those two yeah to break up that facade a bit more I think I have the same concern about the parking although I would hate to lose more of that courtyard because it is such a important amenity for individuals but there might be a way to do it in a lunar type style where it's flush great or flush curb kind of condition where it's easy to transition across I'm sure you guys will get you know get through that and then there's a bit of I guess in seeing some of the renderings with the palm trees and things like that and this being the southern exposure something that does provide a bit more shade to enhance that zone and be able to want people to be able to stay there for extended periods of time I think is a very important thing to consider as well I like the idea of the deck off the off that back corner side the kind of two or three tiered kind of platforms is something that's kind of a meeting zone or a place to kind of hang out because I'm kind of looking at college and missing the idea of maybe the the front stoop and I know college is a very tough street and things like that but that that kind of amenity or element is folded and I think to that kind of deck that back deck area has there been any consideration for like the stoop's on to college I know most of you want the eyes on that courtyard but again if that's a you know something maybe to consider down the road I know you probably don't want to provide that access off of off of college specifically but it might be French balconies or or something you know that's a very small kind of addition that that builds on kind of what Henry was was saying about the horizontal and of the facade yeah I was in I was excited about some of the the renderings especially of the courtyard it seems like you have a dual function of bioretention or something like that in the courtyard with the planting just making that making sure that there's there's some rigor in making that habitable especially on those you know for the four three four months of kind of brutal heat that we do have here I was excited to see the street trees I know the sidewalk is fairly narrow there and then but then when you talked about aerial access from the from college fire is not going to want anything over 11 feet so that's something I guess to consider maybe they've thought of it maybe they haven't I know that's come about on several projects that I've been working on and it would be it would make yeah it would kind of that would be unfortunate to lose that that kind of ability to finally put trees in along along college that's most of otherwise not too excited about the green I don't know if it just it just stands out way too much for me or or what some of the previous images you showed had like a subtle orange or burnt color so that's something I guess consider to consider moving forward and then also the sorry I know and also the your your idea of coming into Santa Rosa especially from college from the west that facade that's on that northwest side is at least based on some of the images and elevations is a little devoid of it feels it looks like devoid of windows or some kind of character on that northwest corner that's another you know I think thing that would that should be considered in in moving this design this concept for which I understand it's a concept still for staffs clarification are you speaking of this corner right here correct it's also the corner rendering there's one rendering that shows it birds eye from across the basically from a when you're if you're riding on the smart train heading south there's a crossing crossing signal there so we were just trying to explore the idea of putting windows or keeping windows from from that orientation but but I think it's a it's a good opportunity for more natural light sure yeah maybe there's something around the corner that we're just you know not kind of seeing in that rendering of that view but understood thank you I believe that and then the notion of bike parking again I think the the amount that you have feels adequate and and if there's a way especially for the first floor units a concession might be that they house their bike within their unit they're already kind of 336 square feet so it's kind of tight but that's you know that's something that may come just with how people use the space so that's also a you know consideration in terms of how the bike kind of parking ends up flushing out I believe that's it thank you so I have a couple of comments I'll make them quick that I haven't heard yet so for me the parking we've heard a lot about the parking but I don't think we've really talked about orchard style parking that is common in our design guidelines I'd be me personally I think because it's so tight orchard style parking doesn't really make a whole lot of sense however I had an idea that what if you utilized your shade structure for your bikes and you created a butterfly canopy and then put solar PV over your parking and then had solar PV over your bikes and now you've potentially increased your PV on site so now you're potentially offsetting even more of your usage so it's just an idea so because there is kind of a covered parking requirement in the zoning code I don't know if it would be applicable here because it's kind of a unique situation regarding parking I had a question on trash I know it seems silly but there there are trash rooms but then there's not like a trash and club it's there's a space identified but not a design so it's some I guess that's something that the zoning administrator would want and my preference is that the trash enclosure matches the flavor of the design of the architecture but isn't over the top right so it's a more subtle kind of riff on what's going on so that and then also I guess my last two comp two more comments I didn't look like you had six feet between the edge of your this is a building code issue but you didn't look like you had six feet from the edge of your solar to your parapet and if your buildings law over 250 feet that's the requirement so maybe just take a peek at that it looked like you might have over so yeah okay yeah I think it's six feet yeah for fire access on all four sides of an array I just put an array on a school so that's very familiar with that particular code and then the last comment I have is so I while I appreciate kind of the stripped down kind of almost brutalist aesthetic the industrial aesthetic of the of the building I think where it's falling a little bit flat for me is in the massing and I guess a question I have is is are the units modular and then they're attached together or is it site built or it's site built it's all site built okay just I guess looking at it it kind of feels to me almost like a modular construction and so that's why I was wondering if you were hemmed in in terms of the you know perhaps the modularity but I guess what you're really trying to do is efficiency of space exact as you move up through the levels so I do appreciate some of the push pull that's kind of happening and I think the linearness of the scale with I think that's what Henry was trying to get at is that it's a really long building and so there are a few kind of articulations on that college facade but I guess in the plans it doesn't feel like enough to really break up the massing of that so I would just maybe take a peek at that and see see how you might be able to to kind of address a little bit more I do like the idea of what you've done in terms of putting your your communal spaces in some of those pushes right because you're you're taking your Lego set essentially right and you're putting it together yeah so I do appreciate that a lot so those would be just kind of my comments so overall I think for summary for staff the biggest thing that I heard from the board was related to it can I just have one quick sixty certain comment sorry I'd forgotten I apologize maybe and take into consideration on the south side of the project south side of the courtyard just north of the trash enclosure is adding some storage units that four foot high people can put bicycle trailers into or other storage area I mean it wouldn't be for everyone but you got to develop a system to use it but I think that might be a good location it butts up against the commercial building that's already there and would be a valuable tool for your tenants thank you I'm sorry that's okay so the biggest things I heard were related to parking and just kind of looking at the parking I saw a project like this last year in New York City that had 150 150 supportive units and 100 affordable units and they had like 20 parking spaces granted it's New York and it's a little bit different with regards to transit but I think the the the the cross-section that you're looking for I'm not concerned about parking but I think the board is concerned I think we all appreciate that this is a unique housing situation and so we applaud your efforts and and look forward to seeing your project move forward obviously the vertical orientation versus horizontal in terms of the scale was something that came up a number of times the courtyard was appreciated however more refinement within the courtyard specifically plantings and activities which I think you'll find as you move forward as you discover the program that'll happen in there as you kind of flesh out what the support spaces look like interior of the building there on kind of the the northwest side how that interacts with everything as you move forward obviously look at the proposed bike lane and how that moves forward connections to crosswalks and traffic signals how they are going to interact obviously the smart line component for me sounds like it's pretty much fleshed out with the definitions that you're getting from smart and also from the city I would encourage you to look at some alternates to chain link there's some really nice kind of alternates to chain link that are that are very refined that are in a similar price point that I know I've used before the back decks I think everybody kind of commented on some of that and then the coloring a couple of us mentioned that and then I think that's about it for the board does that sound like everything guys okay so with that I think we are done with your concept review and we will take a 10 minute recess five minute we think Jessica given the time and the amount of items in the complexity of them that are coming up next I would suggest five but I will leave that to you okay we'll take a five minute recess now