 And I believe we are live. I'm gonna depend on chat room. Hello, people. We will do a big reveal in just a minute, but just wanna make sure you all can hear us. If anybody's in the chat room, give us a what word. Throw up a, we ready to rock? Zoe, you got us? You can hear us? Because you're just, you're not, you're gonna love this open. You're gonna love this open, this reveal. One more person, tell us. What word? All right, Beedmaster. Yay! All right. You know what, Beedmaster? You are here for our first Apple Vision show show. Kinda cool. All right, I'm gonna leave the chat because I have to do a little like button mashing here. But I think we're gonna start the show, right Sarah? You ready? Yep. Oh, wait, I lied. Okay, ready? Here we go. Hey, Aileen, what's up? Hi, Sarah. It's so cute. Why are you looking at me weird? Well, you know, this is our first episode and I'm just so happy to be here to launch the show with you and an Apple Vision Pro on your head. What, what? Yeah, girl. I mean, a lot of things had to happen for this to happen right now. Yeah, we really, you know, I mean, one, this is such a momentous day. It's our inaugural, our official episode one. And so hello to everybody out there who's listening, who are joining us for this adventure that we call Apple Vision show. But you know, this is all things Apple, but not this week. This week, we have one thing to talk about. We do. I mean, come on. We, you know, what else would we talk about this week? But yes, as Aileen said, Apple Vision show is all about Apple, Apple Stuff, Apple Past, Apple Present, Apple Future, Apple Vision, get it. But you know, for anybody who is watching the video version realizes that I am wearing a Vision Pro as we speak right now. And Aileen, it was quite a journey. Yes. Should we talk about this? You feel comfortable right now that to wear this while we talk? Kind of. You feel good. Yeah. I mean, I can, you know, see the monitor in front of me, everything. I think we should walk people through how we got to this point. So starting with Friday, starting with Friday, the Vision Pro was delivered to you. Yes. You know, on time, all good. Yep. So what happened from there? Well, I opened that box after we did a DTNS and did a little unboxing. You guys can see that on our socials. And then I started to, you know, set up my profile and turned the dang thing on and try and figure out how it all worked. My initial persona looked like a man. So I deleted that right away. It was so dark. I was so mortified at my initial persona. So I deleted that. And then I just kind of like the first night just kind of tried to figure things out and the touch with your finger and all of that. Just things were very sensitive and I was a little impatient. The next day that I spent with it, I really just started opening apps, downloading some apps. I did some gaming, you know, I love environments that. I just love having that background. I can't wait to see more. And I love the immersive videos. I really loved watching Alicia Keys. I feel like that's a kind of new way to see music performances. And although BTS is on Samsung, I do hope someday I'll be able to like watch them through this lens and that way. And then, you know, there were times where I just kept using it and Tom was sitting next to me like, oh, are we gonna do anything else? Or, you know, should I just leave the room and you just, it's very isolating. The experience is very isolating. It's just you, you can airplay things but so that other people can see, but it's just, it's not the same experience. The weird thing about that is, okay. So I know I'm being sort of silly right now, you know, wearing my Vision Pro, but like, I can see you. I can see my monitor. I can see the world around me. Like, I'm not actually checked out, but I think I probably seem that way to other people. You do, yeah, a little bit. And I mean, you know, if you start doing things and still communicating with someone, it is kind of weird because you'll see, oh, do, do, do, do, you know, moving in strange ways that no one else can really see. Even if you're, you know, mirroring. I think the mirror, we have a question from Beatmaster. Does mirroring introduce latency? I don't think so, but I should have asked Tom that. No, I haven't, I haven't seen any of that at all. Me neither, me neither. So, so just to keep going so we could get your story, which is really important today, is I, yeah, I've kind of wrapped things up on Sunday morning just kind of playing and demoing things. And we could talk more about all those demos in a bit. I went over to your house, I got, I, you know, picked up the, you know, apparatus, all the stuff, went back to actually a friend's house, not my house, which is inconsequential, but, you know, I was sort of like, I really wanna do this. I, you know, I wanna like, what's your wife? I password and he was like, I don't know. It's like a weird thing that like I never like made my own, you know, it's like, you know, 13 characters type thing. And so I was kind of like, you know, just doing the whole thing. And, you know, I got pretty far, you know, I made my persona. I didn't like mine either, by the way, but you know, it kind of looked like to me, but like just in a bad way. So weird, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, I got to a certain point and at a certain point, still during set up, the Vision Pro was like, do you wanna, you know, give us a passcode? And I was like, yeah, sure, passcode, makes sense. By the way, I erased and deleted my entire profile on this before handing it to you. So that's, yeah. Yes, so yes, as we go through this story, I don't think anything Eileen did was, you know, part of this situation. Anyway, so I kind of, you know, I give up my passcode, same passcode as my iPhone. So I like, I know it, I know what it is, you know, and all good and, you know, looking left, looking right, all the things. And at some point, because it was the Grammys as we're recording this, the Grammys for last night, I was like, oh, Grammys, you know, so I took the headset off and then a little bit later, I put it back on and it was like, passcode. And I was like, passcode. And it was like, nope, nope, wrong passcode. I'm like, I don't think that's correct. Let's try it again. Let's try it again. I tried 10 times and at that point, the Vision Pro said, your device is permanently locked. That was Sunday night, you know? Like to the point where I was like, you know what, I don't know, maybe we just like sleep on it. Maybe you'll get another chance. Yeah, the next morning, we'll have that. I don't know, maybe Apple's being weird. So anyway, you know, I get up this morning, you know, first thing, and you know, I put it on, you know, put in the, my passcode. And it said, your device is locked for seven hours and 13 minutes. Specifically, and you're like, very specific. We have a show. And at that point, so I, you know, I get on the phone with Apple support and it is hard to do that, by the way. You, you know, Apple's like, ah, you know, like we have so many like help things on the internet. Don't, you know, don't, don't actually call us. But like, we're here if you really need to call us. And I was like, really need to call you. Anyway, I get on the phone with somebody and you know, I explain the situation and they were like, hmm, yeah, we cannot reset your Apple Vision Pro from here. You have to go into a store. And I was like, yeah, I figured that's fine. Cool, you know, what's my Nero store? You know, we look up my zip code. Nero store is only a couple of miles away. They were like, except the near, the first appointment is like on Wednesday. Two days? Yeah, I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. You guys, you know, I talk about Apple for a living. It was good to have you pull the journalist card. Yeah, exactly. And they were like, well, I think you should just like, just show up. I don't know. Maybe they'll... Just show up. Take you to the grove? Yeah, so anyway, I go to the grove. For anybody who's not familiar with the grove in Los Angeles, it's like a big outdoor mall, a very nice one with a very nice Apple store. But they were like, yeah, just go to the grove. So I go there, right at 10, on the dot, walk in. And somebody kind of comes up to me and was like, oh yeah, we weren't expecting you. We could probably take you at like 3 p.m. And I was like, I'm gonna sit here until you take me. And they were like, yeah, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, lots of people talking amongst themselves in the corner kind of thing. Anyway, someone finally comes up to me and was like, all right, let's do this. And I was like, thank you. Yep, yep, let's do it. So for probably not even two hours, maybe like an hour and a half, they stripped the Vision Pro. They just, you know, they were like, what's your Apple ID? You know, what was the person's Apple ID before you? All that stuff. And I'm like, just strip it. You know, let's start over. And they did, as anybody who's watching the video version of this, you can see. I mean, they were, I mean, it was like being in surgery. True, it really was. I thought the Apple, when I watch this video, I was like, where's the knife? Where is it coming? Like, what is happening? I know, it was crazy. And the funny thing about this is I explained the situation, which I didn't really understand. But you know, I explained it, you know, and the Apple person who was helping me was like, yeah, we've never heard of that before. However, within the course of, I don't know, 15 minutes, like all these other Apple employees like gathered around us and you could hear them whispering like, oh, it's a passcode thing. It's a passcode thing, right? Yeah, it's a passcode thing. So, I don't know, but I'm just saying I was not the first. I was not the first passcode person to have an issue. It was a little bit crazy, Eileen. Can't lie, but they wiped it, we're back. We're back. I'm gonna go ahead and take this off now. Yeah, so you can see. So I'm a little bit less crazy, but yeah. Like the scene of the store, we are back in business. You said that there were like a lot of people at the store. And by the way, for those of you who don't know, this is February 5th and there's torrential rain happening in Southern California. It is, you know, we've been told to stay home. There's flash flood warnings, but Sarah Lane went to the Apple store for this show to figure out what happened to this unit. Like she braved possible who knows what. And by the way, just because for anybody watching the video, look at my forehead. That is because I've been wearing the Vision Pro for two hours. That is a thing. That's a thing. Yeah, it actually hurt my face, to be honest with you. Like I could not adjust the headset in a way that made it feel really comfortable. Now there was an extra sort of magnetic, what do you call that, lens? Soft lens? I don't know, like an eye. I never put that on, but I tried the extra strap and it just rested on my cheeks and I have a little puffy cheeks here. So it rested on my cheeks and it was just kind of like digging in and digging in. And after like an hour, I was like, I got to get this off because I want to keep watching, but it's kind of uncomfortable. And I just never found a really good moment that I was like, this is where it needs to be, you know? So, you know, it didn't bother me up until like 45 minutes in, but still like it shouldn't bother me at all. It should just be like, okay. And it just feels like my head is gonna tilt forward because it's so heavy. Like, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm, yeah. The day that this is actually just glasses will be amazing, in my opinion, like. I mean, and that's the crazy thing about this is like they are glasses. Right, I know that they're like goggles. They're heavy, you got to do, you know, the audio stuff on the side. Yeah. We are in early days. Right. Big time. For sure. Big, big, big time. And that said, okay. So, so I went to the Apple store, got the Vision Pro erased, started from scratch. You know, I'm literally like patient zero, you know, with people around me being like, ooh, how are we, ooh, yeah, it looks like it's, you know, where I'm like, what are y'all doing? And they were like, well, we can't tell you what we're doing. And I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Come on. I think you're just wiping my Vision Pro. Anyway, you know, we get back to a point where, you know, we're ready to go. I put it on like to the point where I feel like confident that like, okay, this is where I was before. I can go home now and, you know, because the setup of it is not insignificant. Like you have to like sit there for like a good hour, you know, like it wants to, you know, find out where your eyes are and, you know, you have to, you know, make sure that you're connected to your Apple ID, et cetera, et cetera. All that said, came home, yes, during a monsoon. So that was fun. And I put it on and kind of, you know, set everything up. And I will say, Eileen, that when you connected to your laptop, wow. Yeah. I mean, that is where I was like, huh, okay. So my VR experience up until this point is with the Quest, the Meta Quest. And which is, you know, fun. And that's not what this is. You're like, it's so different. Yeah. This is like a full on, yeah, like, you know, the sort of memes of people like using this on the subway in New York, like I'm like, I kind of get it. Yeah. Okay. I kind of get it. It's awesome. Okay. At the same time, it's a little quirky. It's a little quirky, you know? There's, you know, there's sort of like, you know, the thumb index finger thing that you use to, you know, tell it what you want to do. I feel like it's a little hit and miss. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. What do you think? Well, I got really nervous with the passcode situation because it just kept, it was so sensitive and I had a number that I, when I, I had a number in mind and it wouldn't go there. So I said, forget it. I'm just going to use these two numbers and one, two, three, four here. Because I was so scared I was going to get locked out like, like you did. So I noticed that, you know, you could use your eye to get to the button, but that took me, you know, it took me a little bit to kind of understand that. If you had listened to me on DTNS on Friday, I said that I really didn't look anything up. So I did not. And this was my first experience putting it on. And so I'm sure a lot of tips and tricks were probably shared by a lot of the reviewers, but I just went in cold. I was like, what's happening here? I feel like sometimes that's the right way to do it. Yeah, I don't want to have anybody, I just want to have my opinion first. And to be honest with you, my opinion was, except for the hardware, the experience was pretty cool. I mean, I really had a lot of fun just kind of, once I figured out how to put windows on various, how to make it sticky. And for those of you watching on video, I'm just going to show a little bit here while we're talking. But someone was doing this on a plane, putting like the clock and you could have different windows and you can pin them in different places and even walk around and leave. And that window will stay pinned where you are. And so it's very cool to be able to see and push and pull and make it bigger and smaller. One area, I don't think we could do that very well was with Disney Plus. Watching some of the videos couldn't make it larger. On Apple Music, it looked beautiful and Apple TV looked beautiful and it was a large screen. But on Disney Plus, it was just kind of a little bit smaller and you couldn't adjust, I couldn't at least adjust the size of the video. So I don't know if that's something probably that they'll fix. But like I said, I loved environments and putting, I'm gonna stop sharing this right now. For those of you watching video, I loved environments and I really liked, I just see the potential. You know what I mean? I see the potential where this could go. The headset has got to be lighter. That thing is a nuisance to me. I mean, honestly, like it's just too heavy. And not that we'll ever see these as eyeglasses, but maybe like 60 years from now it will be. It's very, I don't know, it's just kind of seeing spatial computing at play. Like it's really computing in the air, and not just on your device, which I feel is really cool. And there are cool applications I think that could be done. I saw people learning how to play. I haven't downloaded any of the third-party apps. So I saw people who were learning piano and I didn't do the cooking thing after all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's just stuff that I think is gonna be kind of cool. I mean, yeah, there's plenty of memes that make this thing very comical and hilarious, but I think there could be applications in the future that I think we will see in the future, like medical. I do wanna show this real quick for those of you watching on video. There is a creator who put on the dice and purifying headphones with the Applavision Pro. And if you see this video, this guy looks like Dof Punk. Like seriously, we're in the future and we're needing to survive because the dust is poisonous. But anyway, that's just one way of looking at this futuristically. Okay, so after my whole crazy journey getting the Vision Pro reset, which worked out, just took a few hours, but a friend of mine was like, wow, okay. So like, are you like working on it? And I was like, well, no. I'm like just trying to get out of the rain, trying to get home kind of thing. But then, this is a person that I was talking to on Slack and I was like, well, let me put the headset on and like open Slack. And I was like, oh, cool. I mean, it's like I have like a 40 inch monitor in front of me, without having to have anything and I don't even really need that. But like, I feel like that is such an interesting like potential market for people who are like, I don't know, I don't have an office. I don't have room for a big monitor or whatever. It's like, oh, you have that with this. Yeah, like if you lived in a small studio apartment, well, now all of a sudden you have a huge wide screen TV. You have, I don't know, 100% the biggest screen that you'll ever have that you probably don't wanna pay for because you don't have room for it, but you have it virtually. It's pretty cool, right? Yeah, I mean, I'm using a regular monitor and a magic keyboard, but my magic keyboard can be connected to the Vision Pro and I don't know, like it's like, I wouldn't have to sit in this exact spot. I could get creative and I love that. Yeah, I felt like the voice was handling it pretty well whenever I asked instead of type because I saw that the keyboard comes up every once in a while. I'm like, oh no, let's do voice because I was just a little lazy at that. My eyes did strain a bit, but I did not put like, I wear contacts and I have one eye is for nearsighted and one eye is for farsighted and I didn't do any lens correction, which you could do. So my eyes did strain a bit because I just didn't make any subscriptions to this. And that was probably after like 40, like again, around the 40, 45 minute, even though I wanted to keep going, it just my eyes were like, ooh, especially if I was trying to like browse on Safari or read something like a recipe. If I was just playing a game, it's fine, but even after a while, like watching some of the videos, that tight, I don't know if you've watched the tightrope walking woman across the Norwegian fjord but that was amazing. I was enthralled. I'm like, okay, I know she makes it because otherwise it wouldn't have put this video out. No! Can you imagine? And she dies. I know, that would be like, horrible thing. You know what? That is, you and I talked about this yesterday, but so yeah, whatever your eye situation is is a big part of this. Yeah. You know, Eileen and I both wear contacts but we wear contacts for different reasons. I think you have stigmatism. No, it's just correcting, but yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I basically just wear readers, you know, in my eyes, going, you know, just going through life. All works out well, but there are a lot of prescription glasses that people need that might be part of this. I would love to know from anybody who, you know, has had good or bad experiences to let us know because I can't really like try that out for you. I can only do, you know, my own eyes. Yeah, yeah. Like how much heavier does the headset get? You know, I mean, that's really my biggest complaint is the weight of it all, potential eye strain, but that's something that I could, you know, kind of correct. Oh, what did I do here? And I think the price, the price, you know, at some point, hopefully that price would come down with future versions or maybe there's, this is the pro version. Is there just an Apple vision version that's not pro that are more for consumers because this feels like this is going to be marketed to, you know, businesses first, besides, you know, those who can afford it. And I'm wondering the next iteration, like how much does this unit become so that people can try this unit? Yeah, so I think like you said, this is the first generation. Every first generation, you're like, it's like, do I wait for the second generation before trying it out? But, you know, if you're really a tech enthusiast, you want to know right away, right? Of course, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you, when I was at the Apple store this morning, you know, there were people doing whatever they were doing, but like, because my situation was very peculiar. You know, you kind of have like, you know, not only like employees, but other people just kind of like watching me. And as I walked out, you know, once we were like, okay, we're good. Okay, bye, thank you. As I walked out, I was like, I'm slightly worried about being robbed. You know, because like, it's so like, this is such precious cargo. Right. You know, like, and like if anyone knows what I have in my bag, it's like, well, you know, you take that. And I mean, it didn't happen. Right. But I felt kind of like, I haven't had anything this expensive, like, you know, like in my like carry to go bags in quite some time. And then, you know, then you've got these people who, if you're looking at the video version, there were two people sitting at a Chinese restaurant and they're both wearing Apple vision pros and eating their food, which you can totally do, but I don't know what else that they're doing. There's no context to this. Maybe they're working. Maybe they're talking and working. Yeah, they're like, let's go get some food. We need to talk about this headset and how to make it work. I feel like some of the stuff is like, probably like, ha ha meme stuff. Like, oh, look at these like crazy people like wearing this while eating. But like, you could. I could, I could 100% put this headset on and do the rest of the show with you. You know, like it's like not. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, the past, the past through is actually, you know, it's works out quite well. Okay. I got to show real quick because it's, it's just kind of funny, but it's just a guy coming out of the restroom with it and hold on one second, but you said it's on your person and this is a very expensive device. You have it and you have to go to the restroom. You're going to be with you in, even in your car. Find this. Yeah. You got to love social media, I swear. Oh my gosh. I mean, I watched a whole vlog of these two travel vloggers take it on a flight from Salt Lake to New York and they were just kind of trying to see like what it was going to be like to check in. He had to take it off before boarding, but he could leave the plane with it on. And then he tried like editing and he tried, you know, just what it would look like. You know, and he recorded his screen so you could see the whole process of, yeah, what it looks like sitting and he's sitting in econ. He didn't have like first class seats. So it's like, okay, we're in an econ seat and we've got different windows up. This is what it's going to be like. If I'm sitting next to someone who I don't know, hopefully, you know, the arm movement wasn't too much. I think, you know, he had kind of figured out how to use it, but people are just taking it out and about now. And yes, they're taking a gym. They're taking it on the subway and typing, you know, in the air. And like I said, the driving stuff is a little concerning only because, you know, just making sure that they're not fully, I don't know, distracted, right? Like that's kind of scary. You don't want to, you want to believe that if this person's wearing the Apple Vision Pro and they're driving, that they are also watching the road and not. Okay, okay. So I saw this video before I tried the Vision Pro for myself and I was like, that's insane. Oh my gosh, you know, she should be arrested. We're watching someone with their hands off the, we're watching someone with the hands off the wheel. Well, yeah. But yeah, but like, you know, in my mind, I was like, well, she can't see. She can't see. And then once I got home and was like, oh, the pass-through is actually pretty good. Yeah, it really is. Not, I still think this is a bad idea. But peripheral vision, right? Peripheral vision would be an issue. You better turn your head and don't just, I don't know. I can see, you know, there's just so many distracted drivers out there right now. Is this person really responsible? We don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They're getting in for the tough views, you know, like, oh yeah, we're going to get a billion views on this. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I will say that the pass-through on the Vision Pro is so good. Oh my gosh. As a person who, you know, has loved the MetaQuest over the years and the iterations of it. The pass-through on the MetaQuest is like, you know, like horror movie kind of stuff. On the Vision Pro, it's like, oh, really nice. Yeah, you can actually see everything around you. I actually ended up walking. You totally can. You know, right now on the video version, we're watching someone who pinned a bunch of windows all around their house and is walking around their house. Oh my God. I love this. The Vision Pro. And a bunch of people online are saying this is better than some of the demos that Apple surfaced for everybody. But, you know, you can see as, for those of you who are watching the video, you can see where you're walking. You definitely can see where you're walking. Oh yeah. You know, you can. In fact, even if you have the environments on, once you leave the area where the environment is up, you will be able to see, it's not like it carries with you. You just walk to other rooms and you could see clearly. So I think, you know, obviously Apple put a lot of thought into this before putting it out as they should. And so I think we'll learn more about what people want to use it for and find real value with. Certainly there's entertainment purposes, but the real, you know, the productivity I think is going to be something that, you know, is this going to better your life in some way, shape or form because you are being able to walk around your house and have all of these, you know, spatial computing, you know, elements placed around your house. How does this, how does this help you? How does this help you? I think we still need to kind of figure that out, but we're going to figure that out. When I was just trying to do like, oh, what would I do normally on my computer, you know, like Slack groups and Gmail and whatever. I was like, oh, this is nice. And I know you said that after a while, like your eyes were kind of over it. I only did that for about an hour, but I was like, I think I could do this all day. Honestly. And really like, I don't need that. I mean, thankfully, I, you know, a nice monitor that I'm using right now and, you know, this and that, but like, and I know we don't all travel like all the time, but like, oh my gosh, just having that while traveling would make all the difference. I could work. I could legit work without, you know, packing up a lot of stuff that I would have to do otherwise. Yeah. Actually we got a comment here from Siri Willis. I think there could be some really cool language learning uses that could be applied to it by identifying things in the environment. Yeah. Can you imagine if this wasn't such a huge goggle on your head and if it was a little bit more, you know, smaller and you could just go, I don't know, to Mexico and like, I don't know how to say this and then boom, you know how to say this and you could communicate. Sarah is showing off the pro right now. Are you thinking about like on taking it to, you know, you probably, I wonder with Google translate or anything like that, or I didn't try any language apps, but I wonder if there are any on there, Sarah, that you could try and see if you can identify, you know, in a different language. Interesting idea. I would love to see that. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'm going to put this on again just because, but I mean, okay, I know I look crazy, but like I can see everything. Yeah. Just as I did two seconds ago. Like it's, it's, let's see if my passcode works. Yeah, it did. But like it's, you can do this and just automatically have like these big, I don't know. I mean, you know, several desktops kind of thing. It's really cool. It's really cool. And I know like there are probably people out there who are like, you can do that with VR already. I know, I am. But, but Apple, I mean, I'm not going to lie. The onboarding process of this, even though I had, a strange situation today, it is, it is quite nice. It really is. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I agree for the most part. I just think there's going to be a lot of people who wouldn't be able to use this because it'll be discomfort for them. But it's just, you know, a few more sort of hardware tweaks. Right. I mean, here, here's a people were talking in the chat. Nice that on YouTube is, you know, skateboarding with it on. Oh, of course, the video won't play for me right now, but he's on the streets of New York on a skateboard. And using it. And so, because like you said, you can see, you can see around. Yeah. You can more than I would have thought. Yeah. So what would you say to someone who's on the fence that wants to buy one of these? What, like, what kind of consumer should buy this? I guess, you know? I mean, I think besides those of us that, you know, are in tech that, you know, are obviously curious, like the everyday person out there. Um, I think that. I don't know. My, my initial response was like, if this thing wasn't so darn expensive, then a lot of people could try it and be like, oh, wait a second. I might be able to do something cool with this. This is actually really cool. Yeah. You know, I think that the price point is a barrier. Yeah. Right. Yeah. 100%. And I don't know that anybody needs this yet, but I think give it some time and maybe, you know, having things hands-free and being able to just kind of use that is going to be, you know, especially people, maybe you have carpal tunnel syndrome or something. You know what I mean? Maybe this will be a better way to use computing devices and easier moving forward. But yeah, I feel like the general sentiment is kind of impressed with the device and knowing that there are, you know, there will be dings to it like the price or the heaviness or whatever. But if you can get past that and think about it as this is the next generation of computing, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool overall. It is. It's very cool. I mean, you know, and I, you know, I don't want to be too much of a fanboy, but I'm like, this thing is very, wow. And by the way, you know, I used YouTube on the Safari browser, but sounds like YouTube is working on a Vision Pro app, which would be very cool because I had a hard time. When I was on Safari, I was trying to make the window bigger. You know, you can expand it three different, you know, sizes and the touch sensitivity at some point it was like, it did it and then it won't do it. It did it and it won't do it. I was like, okay, this is. I don't need to see the whole page. I just want to make the video larger and see a little bit of the comments, but I had a difficult time at some point trying to do that. And I'm like, oh, this is enough to turn me off. Right. So give me that app. Give me that YouTube app. Did you go there yet? Did you like, what was your favorite thing, Sarah? I didn't. Okay. So, yeah. All I really did. Because so far. Yeah. Yeah. I had an interesting 24 hours with the Vision Pro, but no, I used my, not this computer that I'm on right now, but my laptop, I was like, all right, let's see what's going on here. You know, let's play things. And I was like, holy shit. You can like, I mean, you can have like three big ass, you know, screens for maybe, I don't know, your Slack group or YouTube or, you know, whatever. Like, oh, this is interesting. Yeah. I don't really know, like, like, I don't know how to like, tell somebody else how to use this. Yeah. But I'm like, if you just, I don't know, don't have a big office, or maybe just, I don't know, you want to do work and, you know, not have to like, have a lot of stuff set up. Wow. This would be the way to do it. So Phillip Shane just asked both of us. Eileen and Sarah, do you think you'll still be using it in six months or a year? I think so. Yeah. Because there's going to be new iterations of the apps. You know, there's going to be new hardware or software updates and stuff like that. I think, I think there's going to be more immersive videos and concerts for me to get excited about. So I definitely think I would like to keep trying and see where this goes, you know. We made an investment and we're sharing this unit. And, you know, I'm really like excited to hear more about what, you know, in a week from now, Sarah, when we talk again, you know, you're going to have even more experience with the device and know exactly what you like and what you, you know, don't like. I really like gaming. And I know some of these apps are on the MetaQuest, but, and, you know, I was telling Sarah, like, oh, my God, there's the sky riders thing. Oh my God, have you seen it? She's like, yeah, I played this. I played this on the Meta. I was like, oh, okay. I'm so new to this. This is so fun. And I'm just like, whoa. Like that, like that is fun. You know, like that's one of the things where like sometimes when, you know, I don't know, someone's like, what do I care about VR for? I'm like, try these apps. Like you might really like them. You know, like for entertainment. I mean, at $3,500 is too much just for entertainment when you can do some of that, you know, or different types of games. But I see the, I feel there is a future. I don't want to say I see the future. I feel a future in spatial computing, which I'm not, you know, I'm pretty critical. And I was pretty critical going in. And now I'm thinking, wait a minute. I think, I think, you know, more people would get your hands on and do the demo. You should go to the Apple store. Let's talk about like, what were your critical thinking is going on? Like what did you not think was going to kind of work? Or, you know, I honestly just didn't feel like there would be a real use for it. Period. Like no matter what, like, I thought, okay, yeah, I'm watching videos on here. Okay. You know, answering my emails. I thought like, who cares? Like, why do I have to put this headset on to do any of that when I have my phone and I have my computer at my laptop? Well, and I think a lot of people continue to ask themselves that, right? Yeah. But the minute I, just for entertainment purposes, the minute I turn Apple music on and I watched my favorite group, BTS, I was like, oh, I could, I feel like I could feel, like they're closer to me. You know, they're not just on this tiny little screen. I was like, oh, this might not be so bad. I was kind of digging it, right? Just watching just the music video that's available to everybody, but watching it the way I watched it in this spatial way with a background of Yosemite behind me, I felt like I'm outdoors, everybody. Like all of a sudden I had this sort of like, come by. Yeah. There was just something meditating and I actually did the Mindful app too. I was like, all right, give me that mindfulness. And I'm like, I just give it to me. Bring it to me. Like, let me see that circle. Give me that 10 minutes and I'm just going to sit here. Like I wanted to see how it could entertain me and it did entertain me. Now I'm really curious how I could use it more in a productive sense, right? And like I've told you about like my digital calendar and my good, good things app. And I really want to, you know, see and explore how I could do some of that work on the Apple Vision Pro. But I think I like to go into things, like I like to walk into things and be like, impress me, impress me. And so I had a hard wall and you know what? I've softened. I have softened and I really don't think someone who can't afford it should choose this over something else that they need to, you know, buy a new car or whatever. You need a new car or whatever. But like, sure. I think no one should look at this and poo poo it. I think this is something we should look at as an advancement in technology and it was only going to get better. It's just, it's only going to get better. And, and we will find more use cases for it. Like, like, I don't know. I can see it being used in medical, in surgery and like the doctor has it and they need to look something up really quick. Turn it off and, you know, you could still see. It's all hands-free. You know what I mean? Like I see, and maybe I got that image because I saw the surgical gloves handling your Apple Vision Pro this morning, Sarah. But I want to believe. That was a whole thing. I want to believe that there will be some positive use with it. So I am not going to keep my rigid thinking about it. They, they, I'm a little melted. I'm melted, you know, they, they, they, they, they softened the cold black heart of mine, I think. Well, yeah. They do that. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm with you for the most part. I just feel like it's like, you just need the one thing. The one sort of like, oh, wow. Killer. Case. Oh, shit. Like, sorry. That is like, that works so well. Yeah. It's just the one, just the one. And, you know, I, I saw that earlier when I was using my MacBook Pro and with the Vision Pro as a, as a very, very large monitor that I don't otherwise have. Where I was like, this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it, like it's awesome. It really is. I think so. Let's see here. Just a couple of comments from our chat room here. For you, Sarah, at $3,500, you should get the red carpet treatment going into the Apple store. Like there really needs to be. I agree. Yeah. You know, it was so funny. So I walked in there. I mean, this is, I don't know. I, they opened at 10. So I was there right at 10. Yeah. And, you know, what didn't, didn't, you know, have like a cute outfit on or whatever. You know, and they were sort of like, oh, you know, and, and what is the reason for your visit? You know, and eventually I was like, well, I talk about Apple for a living. So, you know, and like everyone kind of looked at me like, all right, cool. Do you really? You couldn't hold up. You know what? Hey, go look at Apple music right now. I could have pulled that card way harder. I could. Yeah. But I was just sort of like, I don't know, man, I just want to get out of here and have some coffee. Um, but no, no, it was like, like, uh, one of the guys, um, who was helping me all very nice. Um, eventually he was like, and, and, and who do you work for? And I was like, my soul. And he was like, Oh, but like, how can I, like, how can I like find your work? And I was like, Oh, dealer tech news show.com. And he was like, Oh, cool. Um, all right. So you're legit. And I was like, yeah, I'm not lying. I'm not lying, man. I'm not. What did you think that you walked in? You stole the unit you're trying to like? I don't know. I think, I think probably the first impression was that like I stole someone else's unit. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, how are you supposed to look in torrential rain going into an Apple store? Like you're just, I don't know. Not, not good Eileen. Not good. Not good. Yeah. All right. I wanted to point out, uh, techno men chair, the Apple store was able to squeeze him in, uh, for a demo with only two hours notice. Uh, the one thing they did not ask me to do during the demo was to type no productivity demo. Oh, so yeah. So that's, so, so if you're willing to go and, you know, try it out, I think you should, I think you should get an appointment and just kind of give it a test drive. You know, I think it's totally worth the time and hopefully the lines aren't too crazy. Um, and yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm pretty impressed. I'm very surprised that I'm impressed, but I am, I am impressed. I'm, you know, trying not to have such like fangirl eyes, you know, um, yeah. But you know, I walked in pretty much like, yeah, come on, show me the money. Yeah, like show me. Yeah. Give me the money. Like what do you got? Show me why I use my money. Show me why I use my money on this thing. What the heck? Yeah. Um, I don't know. I mean, listen for an inaugural show of ours, like it's a pretty, you know, bang up way to, to be like, Ta-da! That's our first topic for, I mean, this show. I'll tell you guys. I, I mean, after quite, quite a situation. Um, I love this. Like, I'd like once we get off the horn here, I'm like, um, she's like trying to wrap up the show. Like weird things. Yeah. Like, Aline, come on, come on, wrap it up. I want to talk about anything else. Well, we can. I mean, we, we don't have, I mean, listen, you need to spend more time with it because obviously it was cut short. And I think you're going to have more to say about this, uh, next week, but I'm really excited to hear more of what, you know, you, you think about the device. And, um, you know, how much time did you really spend on that? Cause, you know, I saw the impressions on your forehead. That looked pretty deep. And I know how it felt with me. Yeah. It's almost like, you know. Look, they're gone now. They're gone. Only took an hour. But like that's, that's a real thing. That is a real thing, you know. For the women out there or gentlemen, like if you have bangs like me and you put the Apple vision pro on your bangs pretty much feel like they're going to get pulled off your face and it hurts. And then it takes a little bit of time to kind of like, yeah, or you have to like pull them back and then they're crazy later. Don't think you're going to look good wearing these, you know, just don't. This is not a fashion accessory. Simply not going to look good. Maybe fashion models out there can pull it off no matter what, but for the most, for the rest of us, you're not going to like your hair is going to be, I had, I had to adjust and I could feel my hair like sticking up like alfalfa at some point. So I was like, oh, this is not. And I was trying to get a little bit of video of me to show this is not. And after a while I was like, no, not happening. Just you get one photo. What I look like. Oh, Sarah, do we save our guile for next week? How are you feeling? How are you feeling? You had that experience in the store. So he's like, we got to wrap this up. It's been a day. It's been a day. No, we can talk. We can talk. It has been it for anybody who's sort of like, what happened to Sarah today? Nothing. But, but I had to go to the Apple store in torrential rain, which in Los Angeles is kind of weird because the city can't, I don't know, drain properly. It was cray cray. It's very seriously cray. Like people, you know, running around, ah, you know, like it's raining. It's fine guys. Well, you know, perhaps once we, you know, wrap up the show, what you could do is give a little love to our guile, the new movie that Apple created and apparently to variety, it has bombed. And, you know, oh no, emergency red alert, red alert, losing a lot of money. But I feel like, you know, if you read through this variety article, it's almost like, oh my goodness, they spent so much money on this. You know what, a lot of studios in my experience have bombs. They don't do great. But just two years ago, Apple won the Academy Award for Best Picture of Coda. So I think they're doing okay. And sometimes there will be some misses. Now, I don't think this is doing well with the critics either. But is this a movie that you were even thinking about watching on your Apple Vision Pro? Or are you going to be like, I don't think so? I certainly will. Like, you know, I haven't yet. Just coming off the Grammy Awards. I don't know if you watched them. I watched a little bit of it last night. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff is like, I mean, the award show itself, like, doesn't really, you don't have to watch that on a Vision Pro. But like, it reminded me, you know, there are, you know, many people who won awards like, oh, you know, they have, you know, fun little Netflix specials or, you know, whatever. Like, all that stuff kind of, it kind of reminded me like, this is, if you really like an artist, you know, whether it be, you know, music or film or, I don't know, something in between. This, this is a fun new way to experience that artistic stuff. And yeah. Yeah. You're going to give it a shot. I'm going to give it a shot. Please let us know your review of Argyle if you, if you end up watching it. Oh, wow. 34% critics and audience 71%. 34%. That might, that might be enough for you to be like, do I take one for the team? That's fine. You know, before we wrap up, Sarah, it is the Lunar New Year and it is the year of the dragon and Apple got into it in Asia and there are some AirPod pros that were, have a little dragon, you know, in them, in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore. I know I want one of these to be honest with you. And then there were actual, it is sold out now, but there were air tags with year of the dragon branded and the Apple store originally for $20 sold out. So I missed the boat on that, but you know, Sarah Shinyan Kwai La, which is Happy New Year in Mandarin. Also to you. Just for fun. I was born in the year of the dragon. Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, let me tell you now, I did, I have some notes here. So 2024. Well, basically people born under the year of the dragon have a lot of power, luck and success. And 2024 for everyone. Let's see where. Where is it? 2024 is forecasted to bring opportunities, changes and challenges, but luck is predicted in 2024. Year of luck, wealth and power is the year of new starts. So it's a good time to start something new like our show for long-term success for all of the tiny zodiac signs. There will be challenges, but you know, you don't learn without a challenge. There will be ambitious pursuits, financial growth, especially through side hustles. So all of you want to make some little like Etsy designs and sell them, you know, digitally. This is your year. Maybe I'm saying that because maybe I might try, although I don't know how to design anything. Romance will be big in 2024 under the year of the dragon. And oh, under the year of the dragon, all of this like positive stuff doesn't happen unless you're kind to your fellow person. And that is part of the deal. Like as long as you exude kindness, a lot of your challenges and hard work, luck, power, finance, all that stuff. So let's go. Let's go. Yeah. All I have to do is be nice to my neighbor. I got that on luck. You got that. We are ready. We're ready. Happy New Year. Once again to everyone. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. And we got another big event going on, especially if you are into the NFL, who I know Miss Sarah Lane is. And it's usher's halftime show. Through Apple music, Apple music. Yeah, but I know, I know that the, that the game is more important to you. Right, Sarah. Well, yes. So my 49ers. That's my team are going to the Super Bowl. Very exciting. They're going against Taylor Swift. Kind of crazy. But, but yes, this is, this is a big event. Usher's halftime show. Probably will also be a big event. I probably will be like in the fetal position, like screaming, you know, you may not enjoy the halftime show. Like I will, I will be like, Hey, let's watch the halftime show. Let's have a little, you know, drink a drink and let's good luck to both. I mean, I'll probably also do that. But I'll still be like very invested in the end of that. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It is Sarah versus. Let's see if she makes it. She has a show in Tokyo and all these like, you know, I never thought we would get to this point, but here we are. You know what, Taylor? I love you, but not, not next weekend. Not next weekend. So you, you don't want her to show up. She seems to be like good luck for that team. So she, she has to fly from coming. She has to fly from her show in Tokyo to get to the Super Bowl and then go back because she's got like Australia and she's coming. I know she's going to make it. I know. And I will not be there, but written for the Niners. So, you know what, Tay Tay, it's all good. Yeah. Yeah. I say good luck. You got bad blood with Taylor. Sarah has bad blood with Taylor. Just this weekend. Just this weekend. Yeah. And then we're fine. Wow. Well, Sarah, if I am to do a little TMI sharing, Tom and I are not going to the Super Bowl, but we will be at Vegas this weekend just for a quick less than 24 hours trip. Yeah. I know. Well, that's fun. Well, because the artists that we talked about in our previous beta episodes, we will see her live. That is Adele. So I will do my best to shout out Adele. Be on Apple vision show. I love this. I love this for you. Wow. Really? Yeah. You know, I think Eileen, I told you this, but now I'll tell the entire world. Friend of mine went to Vegas. He and his wife. And, you know, just sort of, I don't know, went to an Adele show and he was sort of like, I don't know. I mean, how bad could it be? Kind of thing. That's how he went in. He walked out and he was like tears. Oh, yeah. She's got emotional songs. He's like, I think Adele is my favorite artist. Oh my God. Wow. She's so good. And we were like, really? And he was like, no, I'm not kidding. Like, oh my God. That was such a good show. She is one of my favorite artists ever. And I saw her when she started before she even won her best new Grammy artist award. And I saw her in San Francisco with that first album. And then saw her again when she was huge in LA. And now I'm, you know, lucky enough to be able to go see her in her Las Vegas residency. But she is so personable. She's so chatty. And she's always like, everyone loves her. She's always like, everybody get up. This is the fastest song I'll have. This is the only song you'll dance to. Everything else we're going to cry. Like literally she just, and her voice. I mean, honestly. There's a lot of crying. There's a lot of crying. Yeah, there's a lot of crying. But like, but in a good way. Oh, I love her. Yeah. She's such a powerhouse. So I'm very lucky to be. I don't know what's going on, but I'm not sure. That much. If we don't get that, I'm going to report back, but we will be so close to usher. The 49ers. I don't know. Taylor. Taylor won't be, Taylor is still going to be in. Tokyo, but we will be so close, but we will not really be there for Super Bowl Sunday. It's just, it's just happened to be like, you know, when you get like a ticket master code, if you go, Hey, I want to sign up and I blindly pick that weekend as like a. master code to purchase for the weekend of Super Bowl. And I'm like, cool. So I purchased not knowing that it was the weekend of Super Bowl and I was like, oh, shoot. Like luckily we were able to get a hotel but when I purchased way back, this is like almost six months ago, there were no rooms in the end. And I was like, what's happening? Why is this weekend, every other weekend? What the hell? And then I said, it's February. I looked it up and it's a Super Bowl weekend. And I'm like, I am an idiot for even making this weekend as an option to see her. And thankfully it's all, you know, hopefully going to work out, but it's going to be a little crazy there, I feel like. Even though I'm going to go and speak I'm going to leave. It's going to be a little crazy there. I'm going to feel some energy in the city of Vegas. Yeah, it'll be fun. I'm sure there'll be banners and all that stuff, but we'll be safely at home watching the Super Bowl. Where are your gold pants? That's always what I, you know, I tell people, like, if you're ever, you know, unsure, just wear your gold pants. That's right. That's right. Woo, I will find some gold pants after this monsoon ends. You know, I have a little bit of time. But man, was that it? That's our first episode, Sarah. We did it. It was. We did it. Oh my gosh. Thanks to everybody who joined us live, sent us notes and we'll, you know, watch or listen to this after the fact. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you. We are so glad to have you. This is fun. Please, you know, we didn't, we didn't, we had a few emails with our beta shows, but please send us emails, feedback at AppleVisionShow.com. We'd love to hear more from you. And how are you using Apple in your life? Is there any special way I'd love to, I think we'd love to hear those stories and, you know, kind of understand, because everyone has unique ways of using whatever device, whatever it may be. Maybe it is the Vision Pro or an iPhone or just, you know, or your iPad or your laptop or your watch. Like I'm sure there's really interesting use cases that like we'd love to shed a light on, you know, if you would like to share. Indeed. Feedback at AppleVisionShow.com. That's our, that's our email address. Yeah, send us stuff. Send us stuff. We will know more about the Apple Vision Pro in weeks to come. But yeah. Indeed. I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm like, Eileen, let's wrap it up. There's like, I just like, okay, yeah, let's put it on. All right, we're an hour and 10 minutes in. Let's say goodbye. We will see you next week, same time. Thanks for joining everybody. Bye. Bye, everyone. Yeah, yeah. All right, all right, all right. I haven't stopped the stream yet. Anything we need to go over before saying salute because Sarah's really, she's like, yeah, let's, let's go. I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm just like, I'm excited about. I know. I wanna do stuff. I feel the energy. I feel your energy and how you're super excited to do this, so I'm super excited for you. Like what else are you gonna do today in torrential rain? Not leave the house, tell you that now. Yeah, no, I mean, certainly not. Titles, everybody. Let us know what you guys think we should title this show. I'll probably try and post the audio version tonight. So we got some time. Viva Las Vegas. Sarah versus Taylor. No, I think it might end up being like something like, you know, like we almost bricked the Apple Vision Pro or something like that. I mean, it's a week, it's a collective week. Y'all, it was a journey, it really was, it really was. I can't even, the minute you texted me, you're like, I'm going to the store. I was like, oh, today? Like, I just need to go buy bread. And I'm like, I don't know. I may not go buy bread. Like, it's that bad out there. I also needed bread, but yeah, yeah, it was. It was, it was, it was a thing. But, you know, it all worked out. It all worked out. And I mean, I love this thing. Oh my goodness. You know, when they come out with like fashion design, oh, we should talk about it. We should like come up with like, oh, when Dior comes out with our coach or whoever, you'll have like your favorite band that, you know, you could attach to your Apple Vision Pro and it's going to look really chic, you know? You're going to have to pay $500 for it, but you know, it'll be really chic. Yeah. My Hermes Vision Pro. Oh God, Chanel, Chanel. Yeah, only cost $1,200. That sounds like I feel when I see those fancy, you know, Apple Watch bands from designers, I'm like, oh, but that's almost the cost of the actual watch. So, no, thank you. I'll get the plastic ones from Amazon. Thank you. I, yeah, I mean, my, my band is, is a. It's all purpose, man. I don't know. Exactly. I think seriously, mine was like $12. You go into the shower with this thing. Yeah. New problem. No problem. Nobody cares. It's not going to, yeah. I have one that's like made for workout and, and then one that's like a little metal version. I never wear the metal. I never change it out. I just have my purple band. It's fine. I love it. Chia Vision Pro. All right, guys, I'm going to end the stream. Thank you. We will see you next week. Bye, y'all. See you next week. Tell your friends. Tell your friends. Okay. Yeah. Bye.