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Thank me later. Man. Hey man. Listen man a guy we got here today y'all I'm you know y'all if y'all watch boss talk 101 y'all already see the posters and stuff in my store I've been supporting these whole this whole death row movement the old one not the new one. I don't know the new one Yeah, wow Man listen man this guy right here man. Hey Danny boy Man Listen bro you got so much History in you bro. Thank you like and I'm gonna be honest with you y'all you old cats I call you old cuz y'all from the 90s. You was a young old nigga with the niggas But now look you still now you still thriving man, you look good man Thank you. It's popping man. Like I said, but just to be able to you know sit down with you here in Chicago Third time welcome to the city doing boss talk 101. Yeah check it man I'm gonna let mr. Maker. She go she gonna start this thing. All right, man Let's get to it because you know, he loves the music he loved all of that But I like to get to know you as a person Cuz I I do love music especially singers love it, but Born and raised here in Chicago, right? Yes. What part the west side of Chicago. We call the West Side, Illinois I do Because I hear people talk about the south side What's the difference in the south side on the west side? Oh, man the way that we The way do we move? I mean, you know to me, I guess you have to be from the city We're all alike so to say but like you kind of know like if you from Chicago It just take a few minutes. Just kind of way that we talked some of us talk Absolutely, and and just kind of where we act. Yeah. Yeah, I mean back in the day south side was a little more bougie Then the west side was known as a like, you know, the middle of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah But you know things so bad. It's all the same now. Okay. I'm from Chicago Stomp down. Yeah, so when you born and raised with your mom and dad in the household. Yeah born and raised with my mom Yes, I am cuz you know how that is not common. All right. Oh, yeah. It's tough. I'm a part of that We'll talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, so and you how many siblings I had seven Seven symbols with my mom and my dad. She has a daughter my sister Lost two sisters back in I think 2010. Wow. So you were the first second third. I am the baby I was I was a mama's boy mama's boy. I was okay So how what was it like being a baby with all were they were your siblings like your parents to you? Well, I guess I guess you can say that, you know, I mean coming up in that day anybody that was kind of older and You know, I mean kind of had like that that parent Movement with you. They can tell you to go to bed and get in the house and things like that All of my sisters and brothers are older older than I am But my mom was pretty sick when I was coming up really so I had a lot of adult like Responsibilities. Hmm. What was wrong? Do you mind? Absolutely? Um, she suffered seven strokes when she was pregnant with me and Seven strokes pregnant with you, but of course, it didn't affect you Yeah, absolutely. I never heard that before. Yeah, she had seven strokes and it left her with a speech impediment and out of all of my Siblings and actually out of my mother's siblings. I was the only person to really kind of understand every word So it was like that's like a blessing. Oh, absolutely. I was in you understood every word It was nothing she could say That I did maybe I just like what was that and she was saying oh, she just said this that's what you say Yep, exactly. So I can see why you were probably so close to her because of that. Yeah Wow, so So you're very protective of her too. I was back then she's still here. No, she passed when I was 16 years I was 16. Yeah, she doesn't affect you cuz oh my god I was um such a big effect because you know, I think I was in my second year of being around death row records and You know when you when you young you always dream of the things that you wish to do for your parents, right? And you know while being there in California recording She got sick, but she was suffering during this time From heart failure and heart problems. So she had had triple bypasses and you know a few things going on with her Heart. Yeah, my dad had a triple bypass and he lived for some years till he eventually passed away But did she pass away in her sleep cuz so no, she actually had a heart attack February the February the 8th 95 96 really. Yeah, we cancel it. Yes. It's something. So you weren't even here when it happened You know, I had to fly back Wow back and come to that. Yeah, man It's sometimes I know some people never get get over that You know, some people can't understand how to feel that void even though you left here to be an example Sometimes people can't figure it out. You know what I mean but because a lot of people tend to in life when we In loss or in anything that we do as human beings. We tend to always look at a negative We don't ever try to dwell on the positive because with you talking and saying that the first thing I thought about is that at least she was here to see you get your deal To see where you were going, you know, I think God, um, I think Well, I'm blessed that he allowed her to see me safe Right that makes sense. Like, you know, to be 16 years old and to be the last of her children to Like I guess it probably look promising to her. Right. I mean, okay, cool. Yeah singing He's doing something that he want to do and I was able to Bless her bless her, you know with a few gifts in the beginning. She didn't want much She wanted me to be fine most parents because you're a parent right now and to me Monetary things are not, you know, every day I pray for my kids. I always pray that, you know God just keep them safe and keep them happy. That's a big whoever comes around them because they're gonna have people coming around them Oh, yeah And whether it be false pretenders or people who really mean them good or whatever that they're able to discern this With these people and that they can find that happiness and that love. Yeah, that's the only thing that you can give them You know what I mean? Yeah, that's all you want for your children So I'm grateful for that for that time to be put in a position left in position You're right. It's just something else man because now, you know, you be an apparent you There's no book to be an apparent. Oh, no, so you have to figure it out as you go Oh, man, and it's a it's a journey. It's a definite journey But I mean, you know, like I said man, but you look you look who you are today Look what you've done. Look how you've accomplished all the things you've accomplished and I'm sketched History you wrote books. You've done things that a lot of guys will never do in their lifetime. You've been with park You've been with snoop. You've been with sugar all of the dog pound You've been everywhere. You know, you met a lot of people outside of that Jamie Fox. I heard you It's just a blessing to be who you are now and to be able to sit down with you and go down through there like this It's everything that I do this for me. It's amazing to share the journey Question about your okay, so when she passed away and I said, um, how did it affect you? I'm Not always in that moment, but sometimes as you're older now you can look back and say oh That's the reason why I acted out in this way after you know, so far. Did you go through that period? Well, absolutely. Um, I don't think that effect never stopped especially You know in our community in the black community We don't We don't know how to grieve That's true. We just grieve the best way that we can If we get an opportunity to grieve, that's true, you know, usually we just deal with the passing of a loved one Well, we go to the service the repass, you know, and we we still cry For the for the person that was closer to the person we still cry daily But you know what I mean next week you got to get back to work and I think just over the years Even as a grown person it I didn't learn until I was about Maybe 30 something where I where I was at least at peace. I Was at peace at least like well, you know, she's she's no longer here. You know, my birthday was the other day Yeah, I can't say that October. Yeah It's a never-ending thing because I was you know, I'm celebrating You know, I'm hearing everybody say happy birthday to me and only thing that played in my mind is wow I haven't seen my mother in 30 years. Yeah So I think you know, it's something you never get over I can relate yeah, cuz I'm like when you talking about grief I'm like is there even a proper way to grieve There's no such thing as a problem. We do the best way that we can and right and I guess I guess I say With our grieving process we don't I think get the attention that's needed, you know, I mean I think when you lose someone Counseling and therapy and group sessions and speaking with other people that's been in that position is much needed Yeah, and but but you hear as an example. Yeah, so you so you basically have been through things so you can help others to get Oh, yeah, so you basically went through what you went through so that you could have others who lose mothers in current time Oh, yeah fathers in current times. Yeah, that's a part of our journey. That's what a testimony does Especially when you put a fire, you know what I mean? You think about I met a girl at the airport and she broke down crime because she was traveling to see her father and Who passed away passed away traveling to bury him here in Chicago and Me being able to understand it because I've been through it. I lost my mother and my father I believe that helped me to be able to talk with her and help her to deal with her issue at this time at that Time right you see remember if I had never done that I couldn't ever talk to her like that So for this appointed time, I believe that's why that's amazing, you know, how are you and you lost your dad? my dad died in 2011 February the 8th. Okay. He passed the same day as my mother. Whoa 18 19 years later same day same day. That's crazy That's why that's a date. You'll never forget. Absolutely. Wow You have you have some likes Wow, yeah, man, you know, like I said, man, we just blessed to have you on the show today, man Boss talk 101 man We've been around for a couple of years now and you know We strive at trying to figure out like man Who can we bring on so our people to be able to you know feel what we're trying to give them? You know, this whole thing is gonna be playing with me and you did long gone, right? You see what I'm saying? And that's why we do this bro. So your your your grandkids. Yeah, yo Great-grandkids. Yeah, they'll be able to go That's my granddaddy did that and that's hard to me. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I love it, bro So I want to talk about, you know, some things, you know, I ain't gonna lie to you My favorite song is I ain't mad at you. You just took a drink So I sure would like to hear a little bit of that before I can start any question about no any Anything I got so if your boy me me me, you know, get it together and give me some I ain't mad at you No, no, no I ain't mad at you Man stop playing. You see what I'm saying? Do you know how I am about the music man? No, you see, I'm an RV. He's rap. I know, I do it all the way. I do it all the way. I don't stop playing. I'm sorry. Man, you was one of those guys early on that really when you think back to those times man You had keeps the way that you had all these different people that was doing R&B But you was able to you know Understand the hip hop era and come in blend in Oh, yeah, how how was that man? Because I know, you know, you had H town you had a bunch of people during that time back But you was one that you came in, you know, yeah You had Nate dogging up, but you was a true to me R&B singer Wow in the mix to these guys and hemmed in your business Wow, so let's talk about that man Well, I'm thankful to that to shoot and to pot. You know what I mean? Like, you know to shoot for signing me to the label with 15 You know really being the R&B cat and round death row, you know outside of you know the guy I should say or the baby R&B guy because Nate dog was there and he's well But being able to do that being connected to him and then you know with the with the pop stuff You know him invite me in the studio. I was working on my album I could be we had an A and a B studio and I don't care if I'm in B back there working or a working Pox running in the studio while I'm on the mic So, you know just just to I could I see those visions now Wow as a grown man and to know that he invited me on those records Let's go back a little bit boy though like like you were actually going to the prison To see or to be around the fact that Paco was coming out to be out. Yes Well, I want to talk about that because to understand that time he was locked up It's like everybody turned their back on him to me. It's like he was just there and nobody couldn't help him After all the accusations. He's just stuck. So you go down there What are your thoughts as you go down to the prison? After after my mother passed or you know, even during the time of my mother being sick, she became my legal guardian Okay. Okay. So almost everywhere wherever she was You know what I mean? I'm there today. I'll be there tomorrow. Wow So yeah, I company him on the trips of preparing to bring Paco and the day of bringing Paco I never did get an opportunity to go into the jail. You know, just remember going across the street We were a small restaurant across the street and sitting in there and just listening and waiting You know watching TV and waiting and when should get out from the visit He would come to the limo and you know the shit gonna work He kept saying this and you know, he would say this, you know for a few months He had been saying it and then that last day, you know, Pac got in that car And what was that ride back like when you were in that car? Absolutely What was that like? So man, you know, you ride with Pac again My introduction to hip hop is Snoop Dogg and you know those guys I come up around crucial conflict You know what I mean? That's maybe that's I should say that's my introduction What shout out to wild style. Okay. Okay. That's here though. Right? Yeah. Yeah Crucial conflict from Chicago. My cousin wild style was the first person to put me in the studio But to be able to go there and work around those guys You know what I mean? And you know, just see the atmosphere Of what was going on, you know, and Pac getting out of jail And you know us being in the car and getting on the flight You know coming back, I think the biggest thing for me is remembering the flight Pac was just so damn happy, you know, to be out of jail To be out, right You know what I mean? And we had girls and we used smoking weed and partying What's the first thing yet? What was the first thing? If you remember I think some chicken That's what I'm talking about Yeah, cause that's the first thing people always like They want free food He had to put a little weight on too He had to put a little bit of weight on He was short and you know he come out man I don't even think he ate enough though because I remember when we arrived to California I went to the house and then we were waiting for Pac to come to the studio And he got to the studio and got to the back door And before he got to the door he just fell flat first Really? Fell out Why? He had to wake him up and he'd get up Was he drunk? Oh man, I guess he hadn't smoked and drank too much Smoked and drank? He didn't even feel right on the door He didn't even kill Pac Wow, damn, y'all partied him, y'all partied him Wow Man, so when you think about, cause now Keefy D We gotta talk about that When you hear that they are risk Oh, congratulations to him Oh, that's what I'm saying, right? Congratulations, I'm proud of him Tell me how you felt when you seen them raid his house And then they say, you know what? Not only were we raiding his house We opened in his case back up We were arresting him What was that like? You know, I didn't really follow the case You know, I had heard that his house had been raided And that just sounded weird by it being so many years So many years That's what I said You know, that had gone by But I noticed in the last few years How famous Keefy made himself You know what I mean? I'm so From the book Congratulations, you're an author Congratulations, you're doing interviews And congratulations, he's walked his ass into some trouble Right You know what I mean? Whether he did it or not Right, purposely or not Well, whether he's the shooter or not You know what I mean? We know the world that we live in We know that the way the system go You know, if the killer is dead You know, they may give him all of the stuff That they were supposed to give everybody else That he's talking about So congratulations There's a book like about this whole situation And it's like he's putting it in front of everybody I just don't know who would be known for that That's what I'm saying I heard he was sick or something He thought he was going to pass And he said, I'm going to just let it Because you remember the Bob Morley guy that said He's going to let it all out You know, when you That's one thing about You know, the spirit The Holy Spirit Come on now You know, there's one thing about God and conviction You know what I mean? I don't care how long your mouth stay closed Come on now You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You could sew your lips up And if it needs to be shown And it needs to be seen You know, God is a perfect person To magnify what we think we're exposing Yeah That's right So he put it under the light Nobody was paying attention to him I think he got away perfectly Perfectly with the murder He was about to walk it away He was almost, you know what he's like 90 years old Yeah I mean, you know what I mean? So to live his last days If they convict him or whatever this plan is To live those days out in jail If this makes him a little more comfortable Congratulations So be it, right But the thing is that people Maybe like what you were saying I never thought about it that way He wanted to make himself right with God Before it was time to go So he had his confession Well I don't know if he made himself right with God I don't know I forgive him That's right That's not good Well, you know, I just I just hope that he's safe Because he talked a lot about You know You know, different gangs in Vegas And said how weak they were All of the real gang bangers is in L.A. So now he's in an unfamiliar place Right You see him sitting in the back of the car And he's like, you don't know who I am? He's telling the guy Like you don't know who I am You know what I mean I think he wanted to be known Especially to be talking like that I mean, what else would he be known for? That's the biggest thing he ever done in his life Besides gang banging And how pretty or cute is it To hear a grown ass man talk about him gang banging Wow I mean his ending story is Being a part of, you know Assassinating or killing Tupac Which is crazy It's just crazy Man, you as a young Let's stay in that young boy's state, man You something else You know, I got to bring the Mary J thing up I got to bring that up As a young dude Because I was clubbing at a young age I was like 11 and 10 and 12 at the club So when I heard your story I was clubbing for was clubs I was lounging So you really was an old young nigga I'm an old nigga My daddy was born 1926 Ooh You can't tell me shit My daddy was born December 25, 1926 So maybe you took Mary fast That's what it was You, it was you It was me I was a grown man He had a whole song That book, your book man When you wrote it and decided Oh yeah, Stranding on Death Row You decided to open up about all of these things When you decided to open up about that You knew it was going to cause some It was going to ruffle some things I mean, you know some people got mad But I don't know did it really ruffle things Yeah, you told your truth Yeah That's all that matters You know I mean people focused on my sexuality And then becoming gay became famous Yeah Fuck out of here I did it too fast Okay But I want to talk about it Cause back then it wasn't I came out I had to fight for this But do you think when you were early on You was messing with Mary Well okay How did you think about that? By that time I was I mean you like kind of was But I'm saying how did you think Like what did you feel like Okay, I like Mary Or you just was like Was she taking advantage of you Cause you were young No I mean you know Cause she was young too She was young too And that was Mary J. Blodging When I bought that story up Because a lot of people thought That I was like trying to meet you I mean I wouldn't use her I got somebody I could meet too If I wanted to But it wouldn't be Mary It wouldn't be Mary You know I said it in the conversation Of you know somebody Was just saying how Mary was somebody girl And I was like whoa Wait a minute no what No it was my girl It was my girl right And I was kind of just talking too fast And you know I didn't mean to say Like I fucking You know I didn't mean to say it like that But I did I mean you know You know nothing I said in my book You know I'm waiting for Whatever I said in my book For the people that I said it about I'm waiting for them to Come back and be like he's lying No you haven't heard that But did Oh you won't What about KC? Like you got kicked off the tour Yeah Was that concerning I got kicked off my life Was that concerning the fact That you was you know doing things I think You was making moves around there Well between that two I think After it became so big You know in the tour bus Where everybody you know would joke You know they be Man I just read the book last week Aw damn KC sitting there with his fiance And you know he laughing But he really crying his shit in the inside And I'm out with him And I kind of noticed the aggression And you know how he became You know it went from like We brothers to you know When he would say things to us I'm your boss Aw it didn't change Nigga is you crazy You know I'm a fucking boss Fuck you me I'm singing background And I'm doing a gig This is work for hire Boss mean that when I'm not Singing for your ass You paying me unemployment Right Well I could steal the pin on you Damn And I couldn't you know I looked at them as friends And you know after a while I was fired You was actually singing for Jojo right Yeah Because he would I mean you know I You know Jojo's my boy So I you know there's not much that I would I would say but Jojo and KC know Know what myself and shout out to my boy Showtime and there was times that We sung for KC and Jojo Okay okay And you know when they Wasn't well We made sure that we had They back we protected them At our cost Yeah It looked out for them because we love them And when they got better Or they appeared to be better You know they became the old Jodesy And you know the old Jodesy Had always been assholes and rock stars And not nice to other people Yeah And that's who they became again You see the trueness in a person When they hit their pinnacle Nah man When them niggas was drunk And couldn't walk They started telling it to your shoulder But when they got sober You know what I'm saying And the work and shows came in You know what I mean I got fired Showtime got fired And it was at a time that You know what I mean it mattered To me because I had bills You know what I mean So at times they blessed me To feed me and during that time I was kind of left You know on the curb Wow So I'm not happy with those guys at all At all What does a lot of that fame and fortune Come with all of that cockiness And all of that You know a bunch of bums That never had nothing I hate to call it like that But when you never had none You know what I mean Or never been around anything That's the only thing that I could I could blame it on You know what I mean Because I tell people all the time I've been a lot of places I've seen a lot of money I've been on private jets The difference between the jet That you're on now is The jet was probably made in 92 And I flew in in 95 And you might still be flying on that same damn jet They got jets that's out there 30 years old still in the air So it was nothing new And even when you were talking about Mary J Because when I heard the story and stuff like that And for some reason I even looked I was on TMZ and I seen Where another young lady talked about She had sex with Michael B. Jordan And so what I'm like is it becoming such a thing Because me growing up It was like you don't talk about certain things You don't put that out there But now it's like everybody's Oh I slept with this person I slept with that Whether it was a man or woman saying it But it's like everybody's just putting it out there Like why? Well you know again For me saying it Especially at the point where I was in my life You know what I mean A lot of people knew that After the demise of death row I was struggling and singing backgrounds And things like that At that point that was my That's my trophy That's my trophy You know what I mean Talking about You know I wish Instagram Or social media Oh shit I wouldn't be able to mess with my followers My followers would be up there Crazy stuff that I've seen and done So you know when I shared that moment It was out of shame Some things out of the book Yeah Just to push it Not just to push it Just to you know I don't I don't tell people to tell All us to share on Man I'm proud of it You talk about When they after the death row thing But you went up to New York And you end up dealing with I guess Timberland and all of these I went up there with DaVonta DaVonta And you basically Were a bigger star at that time Right? Being that you just left death row Or just this big We were in the room Well we were still Went death row I was still with death row And death row was kind of Like really going up In a genuine album Hadn't came out So I'm at genuine And Timberland and Magoo and Missy Yeah Missy was with a group sister And you know She wasn't You know all of the acclimates That they have now Now They didn't have So how did you guys interact? Was it cool? I remember it being cool I was there to work with With DaVonta Okay And the person that I really Connected with the most Was genuine Okay Yeah That's my homie That's my brother Genuine I've been following I've just stayed and doing A lot of crazy temper This thing is Crazy Like walking So basically When they took off Like they did And you still You know Your career was kind of You know It wasn't like that Oh hell no When they took off I was back in Chicago How did that When you seen it you like Man you know Genuine had tanks And backgrounds on My first single Slipping slide Yeah Slipping slide hard Thank you And Y'all did that Out of the country too That video To see Everybody kind of Walking Something that I felt At the time So to say Yeah You know Wasn't a jealous thing But There was times That I was like Man I wish You know I wish I didn't You know Have this Short end of a stick But I don't call it Short end of a stick Cause y'all were Spending some money At death row Oh no I'm talking about Now I'm talking I guess after You talking after Oh during that time Like I don't You know Did you ever run into Like Timberland them After all those years Or you never seen them again Uh Every now and then I may have seen Timberland and Missy Like once or twice But nobody after everybody Make it You know They all go into a state Of I don't remember you Oh yeah I mean Even after they You know You can run into them Now and You know And I'm not saying Like I'm so grateful Like I ain't mad at you Is You know 26 27 years old One of these people When they be like No there's any one Who used to sing And they'll be like They'll be confused And it's like Playing games You know So I just stay out The way of Hollywood Don't you think that's God shielding you Yes And shielding them And shielding them Yeah I don't want to You know I guess I'm Made I'm made for this But I'm not made For Hollywood I'm not with the Fake shit Me neither You know what I mean I speak You know what I mean Those times people said Aw man We don't want to deal with you Because you said this Alright fuck you Don't care How you gonna be mad at me For talking about You know Someone that owed me money Or My situation You're a grown man And you mad Of another grown man Being mad over his business But have you always been Like that That's what I was About that Have you always been Like that With his vocal Yeah Because No Because in the beginning And I'm saying this Like the white howl right now Going through his situation He ain't able to speak He's All these innuendo You ain't know what he's saying But think about it You would When you first Started coming Well when it came to my sexuality You would I mean you know I got baby mamas and kids There you go That's the only thing Like as far as to be Worried about What a negative thing Yeah I didn't never hold it Because Because Because Because Because Because But think about You nasty ass Nigger But when I think about politics And you trying to You know escalate your Career A lot of people tend to Hold their tongues Because they don't want to get on Nobody's bad You know what I mean But you've never been like that No Like I've been in trouble Since I was little Like now that I be Looking at some of the things That like That you did Then I do now Some of the interviews I've seen some interviews I'll be like man Shut up Don't say that Like I try to tell myself with the principal telling me. And they're like, I'm a bad kid, but you weren't just gonna tell me some shit. And if it ain't real and ain't right, I'm not gonna listen to that. Or if I believe something in my heart, even as a kid, I'm getting a whooping and I'm still saying, that's not right. I get it. With my ass on the crowd, it's still wrong. It's wrong. So when you talk about sexuality and how you came out and everything like that and it's so, everything is so bold now, especially with everybody. But then why are there still some people in the shoot? Why now I would. Not just, you can say him, you can say him, but not only him, but there's a lot of other people that are, people are guessing about and there's nothing. Well, you know, some people. Why people that won't come out about it? You know, some people kind of take a stance. You know, I've heard people say, you know, it ain't your business. We're just cool. That's what he's saying. I'm thinking about what I heard. I shared it, you know, out of, again, out of social, something that happened on social media, I was sneaking around with someone. He committed suicide. Oh, that's, that's crazy, man. Sorry to hear that. At this time, thank you. I was working in a church and the stuff that the church people said to me in my comments is what kind of made me come out and I had to kind of like. Yeah. And I came out on social media like. Yeah. And like, by the way, this is, you know, because, you know, people were saying, oh, you know what they say about when you kill yourself, you go to hell. Wow. Let me go in and tell y'all what's happening so I can get your ass in. Then I got them in order. And then I was like, man, you just told them yourself. Wow. But it's very uncomfortable in our community. You know what I mean? Especially for a man, you know, we're looked at as a less of a man. I guess everybody think you want them. You know what I mean? You become this monster. You know what I mean? Like, it's the weirdest shit, a woman. And excuse me. You know, a woman could say she's like another woman and it's OK. And it is OK, you know. But we, our community is so judgmental. And, you know, it's so funny that a lot of people, I feel sorry for Dwight because there's so many people that's locked, that's locked inside of themselves and living for other people. That's what I was just about to ask. Did you see the sense of freedom? Oh, my God, my skin changed, my tone of my skin. I felt like my life, I got a lighter. Like sneaking in hotels and like, OK, you meet me here and I'll meet you there and I'm running and I'm grown out of hard work money that I work for. I've never asked anybody to, can you help me get a room? Can you help me go on a date with all of this shit I'm paying for, but I'm high. And in the midst of that, I've lost great people that wanted to be dated out loud, that wanted people to know that, you know, they was with this guy or awesome guy. I wanted them to know, and I'm like, no, I can't do this. You know, who wants to live that kind of life? Did you lose friends or family who feel, who said that, well, I don't agree with? Oh, yeah. A lot of people changed on me. In a lot of those relationships, some of those relationships, you know, haven't been rekindled and the ones is, some of them been rekindled and it ain't the same. I used to be close to people in the family and now it's like I'm not, but they don't bother me. You know, I'm also grateful to one of my aunts that I always say, consider the resource. And I don't, man, you can't judge me because I will look at your ass and think about seven different things that you should have gone before you think about me. If your mom was here, what do you think she would have said to you? My mama knew, I think. You think she knew? Absolutely. Yeah, my mama knew me. Because even though you had baby mama, girlfriends, all of that, he felt like she still knew. Your mama know you. Your mother know you. And quite frankly, I think my daddy knew. You know, he passed before I came out, but my dad, my dad, I think he knew. He would always say every time he met a girl with me. Man, she pretty. Man, I thought this boy was gonna be gay. That's what he was saying. He telling me, take me in there. Now you should take him in the stairs and give him a suit. And the girl tried to put his suit on me. He cried. I cried and wore him a suit. Wow, that's crazy. I guess she ain't gay. He telling me, girl, man. Man, I gotta ask you about, man, just, she was night, man. You was with them early. I gotta get back to the music because I done stepped over something. You know, when you're playing in your plate, you know, that ain't right, man. So I gotta get back in my bag. You were one of those guys, man, that you worked with all of these Death Royals, but you and Snoop never did do a song together. Oh, man, Snoop, you told me you ready, man. Come on. Oh, my bad. My bad. My bad. So what was the, what was, what do you think? I know he had Nate to rely on for, like, a lot of focus. I don't know with Snoop. You kind of hear the Dog Pound kind of talk about it. It's like, you know, they say they interviews about what we had Nate and da, da, da, da, da, da. I don't know if that's what Snoop felt. I didn't feel like that because Nate and I don't sing the same. No, at all. At all, like, and I'm not gonna even play with myself to play like it. Yeah, yeah. We do two different things. Nate is the king of what Nate Dogg did. You know what I mean? Did and do. R.I.P. to Nate, yeah, that was a- R.I.P. to him, but I just think that the time, you know, there was two sides of Death Row at that time. And, you know, I was mostly close with Shug and Paco's around Shug, so that's who I work with. Didn't really get that opportunity to work with Snoop, but I look forward to that real soon. How was Tupac and Shug's relationship at the end? This is a gloomy place for people, you know. How was it? Were they friends? Were they, was there a dilemma? Were there a drama? Even Snoop, you hear all these stories. I've asked, I asked, can you wear that? I've asked a lot of people I've interviewed about their relationship. You asked who? Can you wear that about Paco? About Paco, she says. None of them, all of them, when I, you know, what she said? She said that, she basically was saying that he was. Cause she was around him. Yeah, she was around, she said. Okay, finish. She just said, she basically would tell a story, like, you know, she was, she was there poxying her before he passed away. He was in good spirits. In a where? She was there that night at the fight. Okay. Her and Nate's wife. Baby mama, okay. Yeah, baby mama at the time, maybe and wife, but she just, she seemed like there was a good place except for Snoop. She said Snoop was not in a good place with Paco when he passed. Okay. So was that about right? She knew that? Yeah, she told me that. I say she knew that. It's not what I asked. Oh, she said, she, that's what she said. That's what she told us so evidently, that's what she knew. I don't know. Well, I mean, you know. So was that not correct? I mean, again, you know, I'm gonna hear from your perspective. We had our sides and, you know what I mean? Like, so when I hear a lot of people and I'm not saying Paco was just privy with Shug's people, but when I hear people saying things like, let's say for instance, if Paco wasn't getting along with Shug, so to say, she wouldn't have known that. Okay. Why? Because her baby daddy wouldn't have known that. Snoop wouldn't have known that. That's real cause that's dad's. Because he's hanging with bloods, right? So Paco's not gonna go over there and talk over there to dads and corrupt and they baby mamas and it was probably something that everybody was feeling. You know, something going on. Like I grew up and figured that something was going on with my money. You know, maybe snooping all of those guys, figure that as well or Paco may have figured that out. But for people to talk like they were in the click of. I get it. The only people I think are privy to that is like the outlaws. Yeah. I'm not even privy to knowing what, cause Paco wouldn't have said nothing bad about Shug in front of me. That makes sense. Why would he? Cause I would've told you. Because it would've been a problem. I would've told him. Period, motherfucking point blank. You would've told him. Fucking yeah. Like at that time, Shug would've known this nigga ain't happy. Cause you loyal. No nigga, why you ain't happy? Those are the kind of meetings we had. What? He had guardianship over him. So they had a close relationship. So that was the hell of a thing. That was intense meeting. Give me a story on some of the meetings. You just got me thinking now. Our red room meetings and our death row meetings. The hell was y'all doing these meeting? When things, if things, and you know, if something go right on Snoop, Snoop in them side or you know, on Shug in them side, you know, Snoop was the one to fix it. And Snoop people was the ones to fix it. They had old G's that fixed it. You know, it wasn't like a bunch of bloods is going to beat on these crips and these crips are going to beat on these bloods. It was, it was organized shit. Like the homies checking the homies. You know what I mean? And when things wasn't right, we were sitting in a room and, you know, we would pull those things right as men, but everybody knew what death row was about. It wasn't, we weren't men that was, you know, meeting in the corporate office. These was niggas. Exactly. Meeting in the office, you know, about millions and millions of dollars and dreams and it turned out to be some brilliant niggas that had to be in that room because their work showed it. What was the last thing you said to pop? And what was the last thing? What was y'all conversation like? Damn. We had, our last conversation, I would say, I mean, you know, us talking was maybe the set of toss it up. Okay. That was the last video then. Whoa. And I wasn't happy with pop. Because of that video. Now his ass showed up late. Oh, this one. They used to scrap the video. This is my time to get my solo on your ass. We here five hours. Is he always late anyway? I'm the latest person. Yeah, I was about to say. In the world. So what was that like? The energy that that that was a big that was that was a nice video. Oh, man, that man, they told us if he's not in the next 30, 40 minutes, we're going to scrap it. Big budgets on these videos. You know, that type of people spending 3,400,000, 700,000, 800,000, close to million dollars on video. Pop ass come wobbling his jaw jumps to walk up in that. I'm looking at him like, man, the fuck. What did you say? Yeah, I always say something. Me and pop always had like, you know, words, like, and I don't even know if they were true words. This was words. Whatever I said, shut up, nitty boy. You you are short. You're a kid, kid. You were serious about the crime, man. I was super serious about this company. Do my video. Yeah, Jojo and Casey here. They got this fire in this tight ass suit. You should have been you thought he would learn this. The slip of slide video. He was sitting there like he enjoyed it. You know what I'm saying? That was out the country. Everybody, you know, flew everybody out on my damn budget. Man, that's crazy, man. So I think, you know, like when I look at, you know, you, man, everything that happened, even the Dre, when Dre left, like, how was that energy? They were calling, you know, Foxy, without a great gas, Dre, it was all kind of stuff saying, being said, you heard you was there. So you know, what was that like? My head like a turtle. What the hell is going on? What was that like, man? Like that time period, man. Man, you talking about Dre, you know, it was funny. You know, it was funny because the shit that popped was the best in antagonizing people. Well, he just flipped like that. Like they were kicking it on California love and that whole. I think he kind of felt pop. I kind of felt that Dre wasn't participating with, you know, the artists as much and, you know, everybody should be working and nobody bigger than the next nigga around here. You know, and Dre was when, even when Dre came to the studio, it was like, you know, the Dean is here. Or he was in the hallways. I don't know, but you had to you should you better act like he was arrogant and cocky because that's that's kind of the only thing I kind of remember from Dre. Like you weren't going to demand it. It was real studio time shit when Dre came in. It's about business. But he was serious to you. I think a look at looking how he is now. I mean, man, it was serious. And you know, and it's in this B studio. There's stupid, his guys in there fighting pits. For real, for real in our studio. Motherfuckers and ninjas smoking weed and standing on top of speakers. You know what I mean? That shit ain't happening when Drake comes to the studio. I don't know. You had that part and straight out of comes in. That's what I thought about when he was saying that where he came out and he was telling the sugar. Like they were out there messing around or whatever. And he was like, man, he was trying to record. Was it Park was in the inside? Yeah, he's got Park in here. Yeah, he's like, y'all need to be quiet. Y'all out here messing around. That movie thing crazy. Oh, that movie shit crazy. All that shit and his acting shit. Yeah, I know it all of that shit. He ain't tell us what's going on. Y'all be we're not going to fucking drop with these movies. No, I think it's all eyes on me movie. Oh, my God. Oh, it was crazy. Horrible movie. Why did you like it? I don't know what I was talking about. They were making shit up every day. Not even 5% of it was true. I mean, you know, it's hard for me to like how you make a movie and don't talk about Danny Boy in it. Like in my home, he made that movie. They just wrote you out of it. Why would they write you out? Again, you know, sugar was being, you know, black wall. That's right. Anything that kind of had anything to do with sugar. Which is you. The resemblance of him. You know, I inherited a lot of his problems. And it's just still weird to be left out of the story. Like I would watch things even when working a job and anticipate on seeing my part or seeing what, you know, the little small part. Because a lot of people would be like, man, you didn't know Park that long. It felt like forever. Yeah, but the work that we've done and the things that we've done, you couldn't. It's a lot of people that won't experience that in a lifetime. Do you think it's caused you from the west side of Chicago? And they was from LA? Half of them niggas ain't from LA. Most of them more than what they. Because I know Danz was all down in Oklahoma. I'm saying they be saying that and they's like, LA, come on, bro, where you from? I'm just like you. I came from Chicago with a vision and a dream. Don't hold it against me. That's hard. Your ass from Mississippi, you feel it. The fuck is we talking about? I'm from Chicago. Which is hard. That's hard. Real fucking city, too. Oh, yeah. We're just as real as any other fucking city. Yeah, yeah. Y'all started a lot of stuff. Probably so. Probably, you know. Again, I think inheriting the problem from sugar. But it'd be acting like California harder than Chicago where certain things happen. You know, I just kind of. I'm thinking it'd be harder. It's kind of harder. It's kind of harder. Man, I had been to some places where the grass is so green and you would get your fucking head smacked in. Shots, smooth balls. So I don't know. You know what I mean? I just, I guess that's why I'm blessed. I go places. You respect people. You respect, you respect, I respect people because you just never know. You never know. A five-year-old kid can walk up to you and shoot your brain up. And you can't do nothing about it. You can't just jump on. Yeah, so what you think is because you're bigger. You know, I don't think that there's no tougher is this that, you know, the respect, especially coming from death row. You know, none of us want to. I didn't get as much as everybody else got. People got plaques and, you know, checks. I didn't get those checks and those plaques. So, you know, being a part of that story and not left out of it. So that's why I wrote my own book, Stranding on Death Row. Stranding on Death Row. I don't need anybody to tell my story. I tell it for myself. Yeah, I want to ask you about Michelle Leigh jumping from sugar to, well, from Dray to sugar. I want to know how you was. I don't know, you know. I love it. I want to know how this happens. You know, how does this, how does this happen and how do you look at it? Like, damn, you know. You said sexy red. You silly. For real? Oh, Jazabel. Oh, damn. So I'm just giving history of... She was not. We can go way back. Who was not what? Michelle Leigh. Oh, Jazabel? Yeah. I'm just saying, like, we can go back. It's the spirit. The Jazabel spirit, that spirit jumps on whatever. I mean, she, obviously she was. Cause, I mean, it was said that she messed with, I mean, we know she was in Drake. Then we don't know if she messed with Easy. Right? Then, pop. They say, I don't know. Did you see him find that in the studio, Drake? Did he hit her like that? Nah, come on, man. I never seen that shit. But I wasn't around, I wasn't around, I wasn't around, you know, that part of it. But you know what I mean? I don't put nothing past easy. We niggas. Like, everybody. Like everybody must take away the money and the cameras and the fame. Your cousin. Which your cousin? Smack a motherfucking girl that he been with. And she look like she just drunk and trying to fuck everybody in the studio. Possibly, me possibly, possibly not. I don't put anything past her because of the character that she shown us. Yeah. I mean, we went now, but shit. She went from Drake to shit. That, uh... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And she didn't hide that in her movie cause when she did her movie. She couldn't hide it. She couldn't hide it. She hid it a long time. She was shit. She hid it a long, she hid it a long enough. She hid it and she was sneaking around. Me and I knew when she was sneaking when they were sneaking. You seen it all. Every last bit of it. Every last bit of it. I was surprised. You know how she made it sound? Like, the reason why she did it is because of what Drake did to her. No. Because of how Drake treated her. Please. And then he was there. So that's the reason why. Oh, nice movie. That's it. That's the movie right there. And let the butterflies out of there. But she told her story. No, no, no. You see, I want to be looked at like she got, like, 50, 70 bodies. She was sneaking around with Shug. Drake was leaving. Drake didn't have a bag, right? Where? That's right. Because he didn't leave with no money, they said, right? So she called herself going with the winner. But at that time, but she portrayed, she portrayed him as being this man who was with all these different women while he was with her. Drake. Shug and everybody else, don't make. That's real. Just the business we in. That's hard when you just say it. So you think about it, man. When you look at the way that these things are, when you look at the way that these things are happening, man, for as, you know, at the time when you own, when you're dealing with this, you a young kid, you 16, 17, 15? No, 17. Yeah, about 16, 17. 16, 17. I think that's, man, that's the hard part right there for you to be able to, you know, be in the mix of that. Boy, I wish I could have been a flower on the wall. You know what I'm saying? I wish I had a camera. I swear to God, I've had fun. I've had, I've had a fun of my life, man. The best fun of my life. And I see why you was offended and y'all call me on the phone. You, you call me on three way. We call, yeah, y'all call me. Malik had a basic. Let's talk about that a little bit. Yeah, but we gotta talk about that. Cause that happened on my watch, you know, on my show. We was in Las Vegas. And I had really, I was trying to understand cause I didn't, you know, I love Malik too. Talking to him, I ain't gonna lie here. For as the conversation, he dope, the poem, the writing, everything about him when he come to what he do, hard. So he's okay. He's a poet. Let's talk about it, man. So you basically, the bullying part that struck a nerve with you. A bit nerve. And I didn't understand why. First of all, why? You know what I'm talking about? I didn't understand why cause I'm on the outside looking in. But now that I hear your story. Can we state what we said? It was like he was being bullied and that basically, basically you, he had to come down and really, you know, like, cause you was, I straighten this out on the phone with his ass. Okay, let's talk about it. Malik's a poet, great poet, great poetry, great words, has nothing to do with nobody I know from this city. He's gonna call him. I don't know a nigga in this city that had called them when they got a problem. Unless they have a problem with writing or literature. I gotta say this, in his defense, when I looked up his stuff, like I looked up yours, it was this guy that came on the breakfast club and I can not remember his name, but he spoke highly of the fact of he came to interview in Chicago. And when he did, Malik got all of the, all of the gang members together. Everybody put all of the major players together. Nobody give a fuck. Nobody give a all of us can do that. All of you. I'm a gay nigga. And you can do it. Nigga, I packed this motherfucking block up. That don't mean nothing. Wow. Now I'm on the gating away from what he did, but to say that like, everybody I know I'm for sure is more powerful than the niggas he know. Wow. Period. Every nigga I know is more powerful than the niggas he think he know. Is that just, I don't need him to call nobody for me. As a matter of fact, I don't know a nigga I need to call somebody for me. So I never needed a nigga call for sure. It's not around right now, man. You know my hometown, why work? I work in a funeral home. Wow. Why I'm comfortable. When I say I'm comfortable, play it. I don't need, I've never needed no niggas. Like I'm, I stand behind what I'm, that don't mean I'm tough, but I do know that when, at the end of the day, when it's time to leave here, we all go in that back room in that cold room. That's right. And more than likely, I'll be dressin' they ask before somebody be dressin' me. Wow. Man, I just, like I said, the way the store, cause shoot, he had gotten shot in the leg. That even came out on my shirt. Yeah, he didn't shoot, shoot. He didn't get, man, get out of here with that shit and trying to, what? Like that's another goofy to me, just like with this other thing, like who wants to be known for that? You better stop sayin' like, when he did that conversation, there's a lot of people I had to call to calm down some shit with him. Wow. Like so if you want to be known for, you know, these interviews is fun and I get slack from stuff that I say. Yeah. You think niggas threaten me and you say what they gon' do and all of that. But you got to be careful what you sayin' about some real niggas. Damn, man, this should come. I've never needed a nigga that I ain't never been bullied. And if I get bullied, I'ma let y'all know. I swear to God, I'm gonna tell everybody cause I'm, but first I'ma tell them so when I go to court from blowing your brains out, at least I came, I'm gonna come out and play my whole shit. I'm gay, I'm scared, all of that. You tried to rape me and I killed you. Now you got me thinkin' about some, man, you listen, I'm tickin' up here because academics and sausage Santana been into it and he cried because of sausage, you know, pulling the pressure on him, you know, for his, he's gay, sausage is gay and then sausage basically now kinda tormentin' him sayin' he'll rape him and all kinda stuff. Oh, wait a minute, now my boy, my boy cryin' because he feel like, okay, he been bullied by sausage. He probably is, he probably is. And he can't say that I'm back because he say the LGBTQ, if he say somethin'. Man, nobody killin' about that shit. Man, you a man, this man talkin', man, go whoop that man ass. And you don't think they'll look at it no way. Man, what they gonna do, man, that's your audience? Do you think he could whoop him? Probably not. That's the embarrassment. You know when to go out there and get whooped by a nigga with fingernails on? That's a big nigga. That's a big nigga. And so, that's why, do you think that's why he cryin'? No disrespect. Do you like being called a nigga? I don't wanna be messin' up pronouns. I don't know what I'm just sayin'. I'm all messed up with pronouns. I don't do none of that shit. I don't know him like that, but I do know nigga cryin', man. I was trippin' off that. I'm like, damn, man, he gettin' emotional about that, bruh. Well, he probably just scared, man. When you scared, like, cause again I, people say stuff about people all the time. What is he so, you know, cause he say stuff about women? He talk about a lot of people. I would tie saucy ass up with him as much as he talked about women. He better, he better say somethin' back. He better say somethin' back. Ain't nothin' like gettin' closed down if you gettin' closed down by us. They think that LGBT's shittin' you down. That's saucy Santana shittin' you down. That's saucy Santana shittin' you down. Saucy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Whoa, we got saucy Santana, man. He done made it, boy. I guess he seen academics comin' like I'm for the hell of this nigga, man. Yeah, I mean, you know, one thing, one thing that you know, you know, I ain't, hey, leave them LGBT, leave it alone, man. You don't want nobody to be talkin' about you. If you want to be talkin' about it and get it to somebody. But that's why you got it. And then you got to remember, you got to remember it too, right? Just because a person's gay doesn't mean, like all my uncles and my brothers and my cousins and the niggas that killed, they not gay. They not gay at all. And they love me. So they ain't tryin' to hear it. So they're not comin', they don't, they will come to a gay party and clean it out. They not for the poor, but they don't care about nothin'. No, not today and not tomorrow. And I'm grateful for that. No, that's family. I don't brag up, man. I think it's about how you treat people. You know what I mean? Everything that I've said in interviews is my story. If you mad about how I talkin' how I said, flip the channel. That's real. That's what Kanye said, fast forward. Fast forward. I like Kanye. I do too. I like that nigga. I like that nigga a lot. I'm with social media the way how it is right now where everything is so in your face because people are so addicted. As much as people, it's so funny. People will be watching these interviews and they don't like something that you say and they're in the comments sayin' all this other stuff and whatever, but they refuse to get off of the channel and find something else. Oh, yeah. Well, I love it. It'd be more, a lot of gay bashing with me were a bunch of straight guys. Well, they say they straight. Well, they do a lot of bashing. Like who have the only, you shouldn't be worried about business that another man is doin'. The only person I know, well, it's only one person that's not gay that only have a right to do that. That's Whack 100. I mean, I guess. What, where did they come from? What did you just say? In my bed. What's up with Whack 100? Now they're sayin' the only person that could talk about like people lifestyle and then like only this privy to do that? Nobody should be privy to do that, but Whack 100, he is. Why is he? I don't know. Why is he? I don't know, he's the only one that could talk about gay people and who's gay in the industry and who's not. Really? Yeah, I think he's the gay police, but. Dude, it's crazy, I love it. So I gotta ask you about that. Comfort to get you out of Jada and Jada wrote a book. Zada. You wrote a book. Zada. You wrote a book and you know, you put some things in that, that was saucy. Why y'all ain't come get my book like y'all want to get her book though? Because she is really a pro queen though. She goes out of. Why you say she's a liar? Well, go ahead, I'ma finish, go ahead. She's a promo queen, like she basically, I think in my opinion, I'm thinking it's all for the book, all of this stuff. I hadn't been with Will. I got Alopecia and Tupac got it. You know, I want to hear her like. Do they help you? Sure, I got Alopecia too, my album's out of Park Park. You know what, platform's out of Alopecia. It's hard too. Shit, if it's gonna work, I got her too. So tell me what did you think, like when you seen her start talking about Park what her soul made and she was practice too. What was that? I hope, because I do a lot of interviews and I'm just now getting the opportunity to be known for the music again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just hope that I don't look how she looks. Yeah. It's pitiful, it's distasteful, it's disgusting. Just as much as some rap shit that I hear. Because a lot of us look up to Will Smith as a hero. You know what I mean, when it comes to sitcoms and the business that he's done. And I just think that certain things, if that is, you know, it's their business, but keep some of that shit to yourself. You know what I mean, I think it's for attention. And I was with it all the way up until I think I seen her say she gave her pox ashes or something like that. You know what, and you close to that situation. So what, I just don't know, I don't know. Why would she say that? And you know it comes to the red table just to see the time frame. Because I know the pox ashes were separated and shared and stuff like that. So the last time I said, I was probably the outside of the person that delivered them, the second or third person to see his ashes. And I just don't know how they went from sugar to his mother. I think one of the securities, maybe, to Jada. That's heavy. That's heavy, because I don't. She probably gave her some kuba. And said that to one of us. Cigars, cigar ashes, and gave it to her ass. That's what I said. Okay, so what kind of relationship did she have with Tupac? I don't know, did she go get him out of jail? No. Why? She didn't have a million dollars? No. You don't think she had a million dollars? To spend for him? I'm just saying. She had it. She didn't have all these resources? I don't know. But you were around them, so you saw their relationship. I'm trying to see what. Well, I was never around them. You were never around them together. I had never seen Jada and never seen him during this death row time. Never seen him. You never seen them together. Okay. I think everything she's talking about is Baltimore. Before. And that was really, and that wasn't the whole time. It was just as long as me. I mean she had the right to say it because she knew him, but all of this love, what was everybody like when Paco was locked up? They weren't sitting across the street like you. A lot of people turned their backs on him. Sort of like the R. Kelly thing. Like when that light got shine on him, did he rape somebody? A lot of people left Paco alone. So I think those are the parts she should share in the story. Let's talk about that part. Those are parts that they should say, this is where I was during that time. Don't try to fit yourself in during the good time. So do you feel like her and Will is going to be just totally, because I know they're separated according to the whole, do you think it's divorce? I don't know what they are. Will is, Will, whatever they got going on, she's good. She's good because she can say anything and Will come out and he say that he love her. And I guess that's one thing, man. That's what love is about too. You know what I mean? Like he said, no matter what, he support her. You know, good luck to him. Wouldn't be mine. She wouldn't do that shit. She wouldn't do that shit with me. I gotta get him out of here. It's over now to this song, that whole stretch. What's the difference, Danny Boy? I always ask these crazy questions. Like, what's the difference in that, Danny Boy? To that this song? It's over now written and produced by Babyface. I'm grateful for that, obviously. Just around death row, those are my growing years. You know what I mean? I grew myself as an artist. I knew that I could sing. At that time, I guess I didn't know what to do with it or went to put this chop here or there. So a lot of stuff that I probably hear when I was younger, I'm thinking like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that. I'm cringed by it. But the growth, I call it death row university. First, I learned a lot from death row and to take that and to get into master's classes, so to say, these struggles along the way. I sing about things that I've went through or experienced that's close to me. This black heart album, it means the same thing as the red emoji of a black heart. The red emoji heart, I mean, love. The black heart of my album is why I named it that because I believe in black love. I don't believe that just out of living this life, everything isn't going to be great all the time. You know what I mean? Even in love ship, friendship. You know what I mean? Me and my best friend, we're not going to agree and be on the same page. Me and the love of my life we're not going to be on the same page. The part is, is how do we make it through? How do we get to the next page or to the next chapter? And to be able to sing about that now, certain things I just wouldn't sing like songs I wouldn't even with rappers. I'm not a part of certain songs or am I done that already? I'm grateful for the gift that God has left me with and sustained. So I'm pretty careful on how I use it. And with that, over the last year from releasing the album, I made it to top 10 on the Billboard. Yeah, I seen that, man. Congratulations, man. How does that feel to be back in a mix like that, man? I mean, to be forgotten for so long and man, it's overwhelming when I'm out in the crowd and I'm singing the song sometimes and I see people singing the words to it. You know, to know that, wow, they're finally paying attention to me. You know, I had that little five to 15 seconds on aim attitude and to get that attention at two minute and 30 second attention is amazing and to hear it on the radio. And we just dropped another single called Just Friends from the album and I'm getting a lot of love. So I'm just, you know, still not aware because I'll be like, oh my God, when the promoters gonna start calling, I'm ready to sing and ready to go out. So I'm still waiting for a lot of those parts to connect but I'm grateful for so many years to have passed and to still be able to, you know, I feel fresh. You know what I mean? I feel like I could sing. I have the energy and I'm ready to do it. So thank you so much, man. I have one last question. It ain't gonna be the last cause I got my way. Go ahead. R&B because, you know, people, some people say R&B is that, right? Yeah. Do you think R&B, cause growing up in the 90s, all of that, R&B was like to me the peak, like, I love R&B. Will R&B ever come back to that point like what it was? I know Cycle goes around and come back again. Do you think it's gonna ever come back? And when, what will it take? I think that we're on the right track with R&B coming back. It's definitely on the uprise. And I guess when I say it like this, the worst, unfortunately, the worst off that we are in the world, it seemed better for R&B and gospel because people need that healing and R&B music and soul music blues and gospel has always served as a piece of healing with people, you know, when people was working in the cotton field, there was songs that they sang to make them get to the next day. I'm sure the guy that's sitting in the cell, there's a song that he sang every day to help him count those calendar years. I don't know if the happy birthday song would be as exciting if it was just a letter and not saying. Right. So for us to get back to that moment, we're going through so much in the world where, you know, that song is a lot of that healing and a lot of people is searching for healing and I'm not saying that a rap song can give you that, a poetry can't give you that, but you got to go to one of them Luther records or the Marvin Gaye records. Man. When you deep hurt in love, you go to those records. You said something that I laughed about when you said that Sid and I said you should have been and came out. Yeah. And if you had a came out and did something that he told you to do, you would really blow up. You'd really blow up. He's like, he's like, so you bullshitting. So you let Lil Nas take your shit. I'm on the phone. I'm thinking he gonna be mad. He's like, man, Lil Nas took your shit. You supposed to come out. He's like, I'm gonna tell you what you should do though. Sid's always a planer, man. That's hard, man. I speak with him every now and then. Yeah, that's cool. My phone line is open to him. That's good. Forever and a day. That's, and so that. How is he doing in there? He in jail. I know. He is in jail. That's crazy. I think he's comfortable. That's what I was trying to see. You know, he might be comfortable. Podcast going. He's probably going to shoot you. How can you have a podcast in there? He's got a podcast going. He was there on TMZ the other day. Really? Collect calls. Yeah. Have you been on this podcast? Like, yeah. He gonna have to pay me. I don't give a fuck. Hey! He's doing it! He's gonna have to pay me. The podcast. He really got to pay me. Oh, man, he's definitely, but y'all loyal to one another, man. You is with him as a kid. Don't mean I won't get with Snoop Dogg. I'm just kidding. Snoop. You're rock out with the new Deffron. I'm so excited about this Deffbro thing, just the possibilities, because I feel like it's unfinished business. It's a place that, you know what I mean? I was there. And I definitely want to be home. That's all I want. I want to finish some, I know some records that was left in the vault. Yeah. I can't, I would love to get in the vault. Yeah. And everybody know Snoop is a part of everything. Top three, top three artists of all time, dead or alive. Any genre. We're getting them out of here now. That's the wine down there. Donnie Hathaway. Can you say Donnie Hathaway? Give me some, man. For all we may never meet again. But before make this moment, can you make it sweet? It won't say good last minute. My, my, my, man. Oh, you bought the quail, yeah. That's his deal, like, wait a minute. I'm waiting for that money to crash, man. You don't mess up, you don't mess up like that, boy. Man, you so talented, bro. Thank you. God, dog, man. God, I bless you, man. Where did you get that time from your mom, your dad? So my mother, my mother was a singer. Boy, she was. And she's a poetry. And I just think that God left me with the serousability of the talent. So I have her voice and my aunties. I come from a singing family. So God. You killed that, bro. Give me the second one, bro. This is strength. This is strength of that boy. That made me forget about my top three. But we coming back. I need the next one, number two. So Donnie Hathaway. You killed that. Stokely Williams of make condition. That boy bad. Oh my God, that's, that's my mentor. That's like who I look up to. That's the one that said, we fell in love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I went to their concert one time. So I was hurt behind that concert. I was hurt about. You went? It was the music. So can I say, you drowned the man to, you know, he's a musician, a musician's musician. So to say, like he's like for another artist, like you'll probably just be crazy in there. But then I've been in the concert and I've seen some stuff and I'm like, wow, only a musician would sit here for it. It's like it's too musical and too, but pretty brown eyes and. That was cold. Yeah, I like. I'm one of my favorite. What kind of man. I'm gonna be honest with you. The reason that night, Kim crowned that night with me. That's the thing. Because I look. Kim a beast, man. Kim a beast, man. That night. He told a story. I like it. He was sleeping, man. It was just too. He's so talented. I think with Charlie Wilson was that too. And Charlie Wilson. So it was a wild blend. I love me, Charlie Wilson. It was a wild blend. Man, so. And my last one. So we got Stokely of McIndition. Donny Hathaway. That was the last one I was holding. And Steve One. Steve One did. Oh, yeah. You were a true musician. The daddy of music. You've met him? You were a true. I met him once when I first signed the death row. But since I released this single, he showed me a lot of love. Shout out to the station in LA. And I was calling into the station to speak with someone on the radio. And she was like, he has a voice. He's like, man, this song, man, this song is incredible. And I'm like, thank you so much. And the lady was like, that's Mr. Stevie One. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And he talked on the phone with me for about 10, 15 minutes. That's awesome. It was just to hear the stuff that he was saying about us. Thank you, Danny. That probably made, that's, ooh. And made me want to sing much longer. So y'all got to do with me, I'm here. What did you sing to J.M.I.V. when you sung to him? That was a song that was called Drive By. What made you sing that song? You ain't got a song. No, that was one of the songs that when I was going, because I was there to meet with another label. And we had a series of songs put together for the audition. Okay. And that was one of the first songs. I actually sang it for Suga first. And he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, shit, hold up. But before I sang, he knew I was going to meet. And he's like, but something. He thought I was going to rap. And I sang and he was like, hold up, shut up. Went out the room and he came back in with the little short white guy and it was J.M.I.V. J.M.I.V. I was wondering, J.M.I.V. had them deep pockets too. He still got them. Them boys serious, man. Do you still, you don't even talk to them anymore? I haven't talked to J.M.I.V. in some years. Well, that would be an interesting conversation. Yeah, it would be. And for you to sing for J.M.I.V. It's like he was the rock and roll dude, but he was the one that ushered daddy in, right? Yup. That's crazy man. Out of all your songs that you have, which one is your favorite song? I gotta say right now with my album right now, I'm the black hard album. It's always. It's called Crazy. Why is that one your favorite? What? Like, you know, like who ain't been crazy and in love. That's right. Through some things. Yeah, I'm a Scorpio too, so it tells my whole story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my whole story. You're a good guy, man. Thank you. Show man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Shout out. How can people get a hotel? Who loves the kind of thing? How can people get a hotel? You have to try to link up with any boy. Y'all can find me, get all in my business on Instagram. That's Danny Boy Stewart. I'm always on there. You can follow me on Facebook, which is Danny Stewart. And to follow everything, just go onto your website and search golddannyboy.com. I'm gonna tell you something. Golddannyboy.com. Compliment really is the fact that I didn't have ten to scoot up. He's used to this. I'm so happy how you have to be yourself in this area. I was talking about that before we got there. People be on my nerves. I was telling them to be uncool rappers. I'm like, why don't you set up as you had, you got this figured out. Oh, well, thank you. I gotta find your show. What? I gotta check it out, you know, like whenever you're doing it. I have a radio station that's called FMP and it's an internet radio station. So we're still building it up. And we'll talk, man. Maybe y'all can come do a second. I don't know if it's once in a week or so. I'm gonna come sit down with you. Yeah, we can do a verse talk. Yeah, we can do a verse talk. Yeah, y'all can do something. We're holla, let's talk. Okay. Give me some of the news. Check in with me. Thank you so much, man. Boss talk 101, we're the bosses talk. Are we out? Man.