 Okay, so welcome everybody to the design review board on Wednesday, October 26, 2022. We pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 extended by chapter 2022 of the 22 of the acts of 2022. This meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting. May do so via zoom or by telephone, no in person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. At this time, we will have a roll call. And when I call your name, please indicate by saying I, Becky Lockwood. Hi, okay Tom long here. Yeah, okay Catherine Porter is also here. So we have several items for the agenda. The first being quench juice cafe. We're going to review the proposed sign lettering look in this section 3.2 zoning bylaw located 19 North Pleasant Street. So do we have somebody here to discuss that marine or. Yes. So we have Chris, I'm going to make you a panelist Chris just one moment. Okay. Sydney. There. We hear you but we don't see. There I am. I found myself. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you have some proposed signage for the juice bar. Is that right? I guess I'm with the marine. Do you have a copy of that? I don't know how to share it. Yep. How's everyone's gloomy day doing. Oh, we're hanging in there. It'll be gorgeous tomorrow is waiting for the sun. Yeah. Okay, here we go. Here's quench. Did we see some version of this before? Yeah, so just to recap at the last meeting, right? The board. Yeah. I recommended the proposed backlit led 23 inch by 89 inch wall sign. That's above the doorway with the following suggestions, repaint the existing black face shop panel behind and surrounding the building. And then we're going to turn back to the GRB for any proposed signage lettering to the proposed sign to be bolder. And return back to the GRB for any proposed signage lettering decals in the windows and or door. Okay. So this shows. The what was already voted on last time. The black trim and. The white. Repaint the existing black face shop behind. I'm surrounding the proposed sign to be color white. Yeah. So it's a clear. If that's being provided here, but. I'm sorry. Yes, it was always, excuse me, it's already completed. Okay. For the recommendations. Oh, okay. And, and then so this is the proposed sign. And so if you could talk about this and so. So you have the green, the orange, and the gray blackish lettering and here you have the white lettering. So the signage is, is it is. Does it. Is it taking up the appropriate amount of space. On the windows or. Is it. Is there more signage than. Should officially be on. Each panel. Under the zoning by-law, I believe they meet the sign requirements for size. Okay. All right. So this is what we're looking at. This is the end. Result, is that correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay. So the. Board members can comment and. We can move it on any comments from. Our board members. Tom. You're a sign person. Yeah, no, I mean, I, I actually, I like it. It's simple. It's clean. It's the way just perfect on the glass. Green grass is fun. The only answer is it feels a little bit redundant. Like you save the same thing a lot of times on a tiny little window. So I don't know if you need it all there. We have. It's just like totally my aesthetic, but like, maybe I would just put the logo on one window and the juice offerings on the other window and like, you know, leave those two the way there. So, you know, that might just be a way to simplify it. I mean, I'm okay with it. How it is. But if you felt the need to like dial it back a little bit, that would be my recommendation. And I would approve that option as well. Right here on the spot, but because I think you can't, I think going less would be okay. But I wouldn't go more than that. But it's clean and it's tidy. And I don't have any other comments in that regard. I like the orange. I mean, I have the fruit section. I also like the grass. I think that gives it a little punch to the. And of course it's not going to be black, right? I mean, you have it here to have the sign stands out, but then beyond clear glass. Is that correct? Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. That was my question. I was wondering about all of the black. But that's not really going to be there. Correct. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Thank you guys. And I would agree with Tom, but don't think in me. It is lovely. I love the way it looks at the colors. It is simple and clean. Maybe you don't need. The offerings on both sides. You know, it's not the way it is. No, you can have more. That would be my suggestion. Well, you can 70 standing up. We're just going to pause for a moment. As the chair has a. Matter to address right now. Okay. All right. What does it say? At the bottom. I'm just curious. Those are business hours. Okay. Bye bye. Okay. So I'm sorry. I was trying to. No words. All tight task. So. If there. Are we in a place where we can accept this? With, with your suggestion, Tom, that perhaps. If they wanted to streamline it a bit, that. Would. Also. Be fine. Are we okay with that? So just to have the logo on the left window. Yeah. On pictured on the screen here and then have the bulleted list on the right window. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm offering it as an option. Like I think that I could, I would approve it as is, but that is a secondary option. Improve as well. Just depending on how they want to go. I don't want to, I don't want to prescribe how it should look, but I think that would be, you know, a couple of options and then I think it'd be in good shape. Well, it is a lot of signs. I mean, it's. It's a lot of signs. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The four signs. If you look at the building. Miss. Miss Porter. I'm sorry. The two that you're seeing. Going into the answer. There's going to be no signage there. Those are just our coming soon signs. Yeah, I still, I see, but I see the door has it and both, you know, so you've got four. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Sure. Okay. All right. Well, that's food for your thought. If. Okay. Okay. So do I hear a motion that we approve the signage for quench. With the suggestion that they may want to. Pull back. Somewhat on. Having two complete signages on the front windows. Was that. Okay. Moved in second. All right. So. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll move. Did Becky seconded it. So I don't get a vote. Tom. Yes or no. Yes. Okay. Becky. Yeah. Yes. And Catherine. Yes. Okay. We'll. Be there for a quench. Good luck, Chris. Thank you all very much. We all look forward to seeing you soon. Okay. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Great evening. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So let's see now what. What is next on our agenda here. So the next. All right. Is the. Sam. To review the proposed wooden element in windows for the new restaurant. Of loud. Tong. This is. Yeah. Down on Main Street. Yeah. 63 Main Street. Okay. Is somebody here for that Marine? Yes. He's just coming up as a panelist. Okay. One second. I'll get out of this. Hi, Sam. Can you turn your video on? Yeah. Hi. How are you guys? Okay. Thank you for. For attending. To recap. So the board did review. Your. Your. Improvements to the existing awning and for the proposed. Signage for your new restaurant. At. 63 Main Street. And that was to provide the recommendations were to provide a straight edge to the awning. That balance. To ensure that the red burgundy paint applied to the door in the window trim is. Compatible. That should say sorry. To the red burgundy color applied to the awning. The two colors should be of the same family of red burgundy and or should be a few shades different from one another. And three return back to the design review board for any proposed signage lettering decals in the window and or door. Yeah. I'm not sure if Tom or Becky, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Hearing. It seemed like. I can't recall. My senses that we're only looking right now. The other things have been approved and recommended. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was Lindsay and Erica and I. If it's helpful. I can pull up the last meeting. Okay. So that's. I mean, I'm happy to. We're okay. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. So. I love that. Yeah. So, okay. So now. Maybe it might just be nice to pull up the last one just because the next photo wasn't. Didn't really. Translate that well. Color wise. Yeah. So this is the, what was approved was. This awning and the lettering and then repainting the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Without the, without the. What scrolls. Ruffle. And then if we pull back to this. So like the, I just wanted to show you that what was approved. So because this black is actually the red burgundy. And then we trim around the door. Very nice. So we're looking at two panels. One on each window. Yes. Very nice. All right. You guys want me to explain the stuff for you guys. I don't think so. I mean, it's pretty straightforward to me. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's a beautiful addition to the facade. And I think it. We'll create some privacy and light. And I think it's a great idea. Yeah. Thank you. Any thoughts. Comments. Yeah. From a distance, it looks like a menu, but that's why I wanted to confirm that. What you had are those panels. So yes. Okay. And the other changes or. Questions you might have about this. About your restaurant that you would like us to take a look at. No, there will be the everything for our. And then the window. And okay. So I want to explain something about this stuff. Because we don't know what's that code in English. But in Chinese, we call that walker. The main is kind of a long time ago in China, we don't have glass. So we only put this stuff in the window for, for covered. Inside. And we, we use that because we don't want to use anything kind of any picture or any world for explain Chinese culture. That's the reason we just want to choose the special stuff. Show up to the custom and the people throw the outside can see. Oh, this is a Chinese restaurant. Because our opinion is not just about the Chinese food. We want to people enjoying the Chinese food. And Chinese culture in our restaurant. So that's, that's all the design from. Very nice. Yeah. Excellent. Thank you, Sam. No problem. The choice is going to be beautiful. Sam, I'll, I'll let Jen Mullins and inspection services. Know that this was approved and so you can go ahead and I don't know if you need a building permit, but you can go go ahead and. Go ahead and go ahead and contact. And I will do that. This was approved tonight. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great night. Thank you. So do we have to make a motion? Oh yeah, I guess so. Do I hear a motion that we approve these panels. On the windows of the restaurant. Tom. Second. Okay. All right. All in favor, raise your hand. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Okay. Moving on. The spoke to review the proposed wall sign at existing restaurant nightclub called the spoke. At 33 dash 37 East pleasant street. Do we have somebody there to. Okay. Hi guys, can you hear me? Yes. Hi. I don't have great service. So I'm hoping to not lose you. Okay. Chad, would you like. You, you can see us, right? Or are you on a phone? I can see you. Yes. Sorry that. If my video is not working, I apologize. Would you like to just kind of like sort of go around the building real quick. Yeah, sure. So, so the picture that you're showing there morning, that's the north side of the building. It's what faces Garcia's. Yes. And so that's the sign. Obviously that, that particular side used to be used to belong to Amherst copy. We took it over in 2020 and we expanded the bar into that side to, to add a nightclub. We do, we do live music. Sometimes we do events. We host people rented out. We have a function hall space that's on, on that particular half of the building. And that's the, that's the front there. So yeah, that would be the front of that. Left side that half of the building up. And then this was already approved, but yeah, that's all the original side that was formerly. Amherst, Southern pizza years ago in 2018. I took that side over and we expanded into there. So that's the south side of the building. South corner there. And that's the rear. Rear south corner backside. Okay. All right. Yeah. And so the only teams we're looking at is just that graphic on the glass on this north side. Correct. Yeah. That one that says live. So we call that, we call that nightclub side spoke live. Its intention was, you know, again, to be a function hall, like music center, anything like that. And so this isn't after the facts. Approval seeking of approval for the, the decal that's in the window. It is a decal. It is a, a. Sticker based one that Amherst copy is already installed. In, you know, to be completely honest with the board when, when we had gone before. DRB originally. We were discussing doing something over there. I thought we already had approval for it. Amherst copy used to have a decal in that window and they used to have a sign above it as well. I honestly thought it was already part of it. We had put it off because COVID stalled us on some of the things we want to do over there. We had finally got Amherst copy months and months later to install it and they had, and then David Cody reached out to me and said, Hey, this doesn't seem to be part of the permit for DRB. So you're going to have to go. Before DRB again, and that's where we're at. So again, this is, you know, like I said, it is already in place. I'm seeking an after the fact approval from you guys on, on what is currently in place there. And it's blue background. It's the blue and white scene. That's right. It's the black and white. Oh, this black and white. Okay. There is black and white. Yeah. That's our colors on that side. So again, and, and, you know, how we view ourselves in sort of two spaces in that particular building. The original spoke what we call spoke pub. That is a blue and white theme. And then this particular side of the building, which we call spoke live that is a black and white thing. Okay. Okay. But so this is the only sign for live. Okay. So it doesn't look like you'd changed any of the signs. Along the. Correct. Okay. All right. Do you have any intention of adding additional signage. For the live section. I wasn't going to, um, you know, in terms of the advertising aspect of it, um, we don't, we don't necessarily read it need to do it for that reason. Yeah. No, we put it in there to, you know, and being honest, we, we put a decal even back in that window is that the, the former decal that was in the window for Amherst copy was, is that that dot style where you can see through it on one side, but not on the other. And when it was removed, it made such a mess of the window that for about a year, the window, because it had to be scraped to be removed, but it had been on for so long from Amherst copy that it, it almost made it impossible to sort of left a film on that window and it just didn't look good. It didn't look nice. And, and now, I mean, in my opinion, it looks very nice. It looks clean from the inside. It, it sort of shades it on the inside of that corner. Yeah, I know. I mean, aesthetically Chad, I really like what you've done here. It's kind of why I'm asking why, whether or not you might consider it elsewhere. But I mean, I don't think it's necessary, but I think it looks great. I like the scale of it. I like what it's doing for you on this blank wall. I'd like to see more of it, but I'm happy to approve it as it is. Becky, any thoughts? Great. Okay. Yeah, I feel the same way. It's clean and neat and fits right in there. I'm going to look for it tomorrow when I go downtown. Okay. So I think we're all in agreement. Can somebody, Becky, would you like to move? And Tom, would you like to second? Okay. All in favor, raise your hands. Okay. Okay. Streamlining everything today. Yeah, I know. Okay. Okay. All right. Thanks, Chad. Thank you guys. Have a wonderful day. Yeah. All right. I know. So we have my apologies for being late. I had it. It's just a total calendar. I had it in at six o'clock and then. Checked my email. My apologies. Okay. We're almost finished. Don't worry, Erica. Okay. Okay. So Marie, we have one more come to Drake. Yep. So we have a Gabriel. From the Amherst bid in the downtown Amherst foundations. Hello, all. How are you? Okay. Well, thanks. I'd like to start this by saying I do know how to spell marquee. I don't know what happened here, but just ignore that. So the Drake has been open for about six months. Be close for our summer. Four weeks. To do some interior punch list things. And one of the things that we keep hearing is that we need a marquee that shows what we're doing each night. We, this isn't our ideal. This is an old fashioned. Backlit marquee. Ron Shepard would run a conduit sort of. Backlit yellow, if you will light. And then these letters are the letters that you literally like stick in, stick on, not stick on, but they're like in between channel locks. So we would just reach over and change them. In a better, more ideal world. What we'd really like to have. This, we would love to replicate what the cinema has on two sides of this sign. It could hang the exact same way and be in that same location. It would just be electronics so that we could type in, you know, so tomorrow night we have GA 20, you know, so it would say tonight GA 20 doors open at seven, 8 p.m. And then the next sort of slide. Would come through if you will, that would say, I can't remember who's playing tomorrow night, but let's just say it's Winton Marsalis, 7 p.m. You know, tickets at, we don't feel that we need the Drake logo any more than what we already have, which is here and here. I think everybody knows that this is quite a large building. So we haven't really taken up all the signage that the 10% would have. So again, this is an old fashioned black letter sign with a bright yellow background, what's lit background. And then this is what we'd really like to do. We're meeting with fine techniques tomorrow, depending on how this meeting goes today. If there's actual interest and you guys would like to see something more like this. We would too. We'd also like to see Harry Styles at the Drake, but hey, we're all, you know, hedging our bets here. So yeah. So this is what we wanted to present to you. The concept of a marquee old school or a little bit more. Modern, but not a flashy Las Vegas, a million different colors and, you know, moving just kind of simple on both sides. Okay. Okay. So Erica, I'll hand it back to you. Oh. Sure. Okay. Well, thank you very much. And I know. I'm sure that folks have, have questions. I just, when you said. If we'd rather see, like, is there, you're doing the old fashioned version. As a cost. Like what? What's driving that right now? Is it. I think we kind of wanted to present two different concepts. You know, we wanted to show you what like the old fashioned could be. And then also show you what something a little bit more modern. I know that. I know that when the Sufas went up, you guys all know what the Sufas are those. One of the things that we asked the town was why aren't we doing touch screen that actually like brings you menus. And they were like, oh, you know, they're too modern. Nobody wants that. It's too like mall. It comes off as to, you know, we don't want bright lights, you know, but I, we have so much. What's the, it has light in the sign. It's, it, they're made out of glass. For getting. I can't think of what they are. Like, oh, I don't know what they are. I don't know what they are. They're made out of glass. For getting. I can't think of what they are like open signs that people use. And they blink and I feel like the, the cinnamon's done such a beautiful job. Now that the signs are working again, we know that they were, they haven't been working for the last couple of years, but they're fixed. They're beautiful. This is really our preference. We do have a grant to do. We have a restricted grant form our key. So either way, whether we do this one or the more modern and the more modern, this is the right one. So we are trying to get a little bit of a metric electronic. We're sort of fine with either. We'd love the electronics because of course, that means we're not out there, you know, changing little black letters all the time. I know I can only envision these are somebody's hanging over a 36 inch rally, which sounds really dangerous or they're on a ladder. Either way. It's going to. Yeah. Upside down. I know I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks, but I lean towards the digital sign myself just for. it's just a much more user friendly environment and you know you're it's a it's a live happening place in the middle of downtown we're not worried about adding to the late levels in the middle. Yeah no this is a great a great spot for something that's eliminated like that as well the digital sign. I think Gabrielle the only not concerned the only thing that you should consider is that the way the marquee is now embedded in the overhang at the ever cinema we don't know how deep that is it might have a lot of depth to it. It's actually it's really thin and again I'm meeting with the sign techniques sign technique gentleman who did the cinema he's coming to meet me tomorrow but when I explained him how we wanted to mount this and send him this picture he was like oh yeah that's great we'll just have to put a fault back on it. Yeah that was my concern I just didn't know kind of technologically how deep that was because it might look awkward not again that I'm not there but it might look awkward if it were too deep kind of hanging off the railing but yeah um but yeah I think modern flat screen tv's is really I know I assumed that I just didn't want to I wanted to to clarify that it's something that I would be thinking about um so yeah I I agree I think the more modern sign is great um there's only being said about the good old fashion old school signs um but um but I think you know it's appropriate for for you to leverage the technology to do something clean and simple like the the cinema right thank you. Becky do you want to share your thoughts? Yeah I yeah I just wanted to when I first saw the hand lettered one I thought oh that is just um not okay it's too old-fashioned it's too dated and it just doesn't look like what the great it's kind it is and has become so I would definitely not approve that and would wholeheartedly approve something like the cinema. Yeah okay yeah it's funny I keep thinking about like the the Calvin right and that's the like old school pressing letters and how's like an aesthetic so I'm not against it in this case yeah there's definitely like there's a time in a place for for certain things like that and I think this is an opportunity to like get people's attention and as the Drake being relatively new um in the community it would be nice to I didn't get people's attention in a um creative way but um yeah I agree yeah I agree and you know in a way if uh you have like little little entertainment cluster with those signs we got the Amherst Cinema sign and then you have the Drake sign if they're similar it gives us sort of a pop little message that you know this is a custom entertainment going right here in this little area so yeah I do I love those Amherst Cinema signs and I and I always look up to see what's what's playing and uh yeah I think you should uh I'm agreeing with everybody I think you should all right well before we wind down I guess everybody's on speed dial today but um before we wind down the conversation there are some probably some aesthetic choices to make with regards to frame color um I was thinking about and I guess this is it would be an issue on the backside of the sign but because it's hanging on an open railing to make sure that that if it wasn't intended intended designed to be seen from the back there may be some additional measures or housing that you want to create so that's these protected um yeah seem like the black frame is as appropriate yeah I think what we'd love to do is either stick with the black frame and again the gentleman that I spoke with the sign technique said that we have to put a false back on it for protection um we could go with either black or we could take this wine color that we I know it's not wine but it's um you know like a burnt a burnt red that we already have here and carry that forward I like the black because everything around here is black um and I know that white lion brewery is going underneath us and their sign will be going right here um in the same way that the drake is up here and I think that that'll be a really nice if we continue with all the black I think that that's going to be the most attractive going forward okay yeah anybody else have some questions or and I would agree with the the black is the right choice to blend into the rally yeah yeah I agree and mounting hardware will be not visible from the front should not be at all and um I did speak with Ron Shepard and he would run um it's not a whole lot of power that goes to the so he would run right from inside the building he would run a power conduit right along here you wouldn't see it okay good great any other thoughts or would somebody like to make a motion I move that we we uh accept the proposal for the sign for the drake uh and uh with the electronic format makes any sense but a second okay any further discussion okay hearing none um all those in favor say I raise hi we have a unanimous vote Gabriel thank you well thank you all so much and you guys you frozen you frozen go have a nice evening okay thank you sorry everybody we'll see you at the drake thank you have a great night if you praise do but you never heard what she said you may have okay um I didn't even pull up the agenda what's next it is the meeting minutes and once again I don't have them ready I have in your packets I um actually provided sort of the motions and the dialogue from the meetings you know I like that a word document I think that I like that that's the first time I think the first time we've done that right yeah yeah yeah I decided to do that to refresh your memories right mine yes and also we we haven't had everybody at every meeting so like some people need to get caught up those yeah yeah we're so cool thank you very helpful okay and then um Maureen are we also maybe this might be other business but um are are we cool with everybody being um renewed their their terms being uh renewed and refreshed and Becky's brand new yeah I just joined we got hurt for a while yeah um I need to go to the website I think that was done or I was asking the same question Eric and are we legit you don't have to resolve it now but it might be something that we could just make sure that we yeah address I know that the playing board re-appointed Tom as their representative Rebecca yeah all sitting members tonight are um their year terms are valid for the rest of this year okay oh um maybe not Catherine I have brought this attention to the town manager's office and it is on the list for them to okay address so it might be a technical glitch but um it is being worked on okay yeah good question all right don't do anything controversial in the interim yeah so uh I did have a question about the oyster bar and that mean they really almost abolished the place are they going to be back with the same shape because we we approved a certain look oh they did come back yeah did they come back with it they took the roof off those right thank you back yeah oh okay I thought there was one more step yeah I wasn't okay all right the it was the last meeting it was the last meeting wasn't it yeah okay all right that's maybe why I'm thinking about it yeah that uh they were gonna it's going to be the same yeah apparently Catherine when they um started doing some work they discovered that the place where the the front met the old roof there was like a ton of water damage and they ended up just ripping it down yeah and it's actually a cleaner yeah I don't even know if there was going to be an oyster bar it seemed like they were here like a year ago we're in the next year be 2023 they say yeah that's so far okay okay I yeah I was at that meeting but already yeah I can see why you had been like ah that is not what we talked about yeah all right okay I just I wanted to pull it up so this is what the board it was actually two meetings ago I thought it was last meeting okay so it'll look like this maybe what spooked me was I actually saw some drove by and saw that half a building there you know they take all that uh old roof off so you know okay still very blue all right all right well at the moment I don't have any applications but that's always subject to change and um I'll I'll reach out um we try to have one meeting per month so perhaps there could be a meeting in November but um but I guess in the meantime I hope you have all have a wonderful Halloween thank you thank you thank you and perhaps Thanksgiving if I don't see you but I'm feeling we're probably be in November if if everyone's available right yeah okay yeah okay Kevin thanks for holding on my apologies again that's all right okay all right I don't think we need to make a motion to adjourn so uh but we'll end the meeting at 545 okay very good everybody okay