 Father, we thank you. We thank you for the seasons of work and seasons of rest, Lord, that you give us, Lord, and I just pray for each one here in today's class. Father God, I pray that you'd give them seasons of rest, Lord, that they would be rest for the mind, rest for the body, refreshing for the spirit, Lord, and I pray that each one of us, we will intentionally take time to do that, Lord. Be it, Lord, a few hours, just to pursue things, just to be quiet, Lord, just to do those things that would recharge, refresh us, and and above all, to be in your presence, to have those constant conversations, Lord, every day, every moment with you. And I just want to thank you for all the young parents who are in the classroom and just come with them into your mighty hands. I pray for the grace of pouring of your grace upon them, and I just pray that you'll give them the wisdom and to enjoy the season of parenting, Lord. I pray that it'll be a joyful season, God, and that they will look back and in thanksgiving, in praise to you. And I just pray for wisdom that they will bring up the little ones, Lord, in the fear and admonition of the Lord. And I just pray that little ones also will get to just love you and know you and have encounters with you. And I just pray that it'll be a very natural overflow, God. And I just pray for conversations in the household, God, that conversations about you, testimonies about you, Father God, that church will not be one compartment something for one day of the week, but church will be every day. And I pray that faith will be so real and authentic, O God, in all these households, Father God. I pray that, yeah, that you would have your way, that you would draw each of these little ones close to you, God. We thank you. We give you all the praise and all the glory. In Jesus' matchless name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Okay. Yeah, it's interesting that we started talking about parents and, you know, parenting because the church is much like that, you know, as you see that church is a family. We see that church is, yeah, church is an army. We see that church is the pride of Christ. Church is the house of prayer. You know, you've seen that, all those pictures of church, the blueprint of church, the house of God that we see in scripture. So church is all that. And one of the things is that it's a family, it's a community. And we see, you know, people of well, we see, like when Peter addresses, you know, he talks about young men, he talks about, you know, old men, he talks about children and, you know, the thing is that these are people with varying maturity and you have all of them in the church and and some of us, some of you are, you know, raised up as spiritual leaders, right? Spiritual leaders in the body of Christ and and having to, you see the parallel, running the household and having to, you know, extend spiritual leadership over the house of God. And you have, you know, all the mix of all these, you know, people in varying levels as children, as young men, as as mature adults and so to, to interact, to deal and to, and to nurture right, to correct all those things are part of the role of the pastor, right? And as a spiritual leader as well, right? So, today as we look at, you know, continue to look at the roles and rewards of the pastor and we look at the first Timothy, I think we started looking at, started going through first Timothy. So as we go through first Timothy, we go to second Timothy and and glean some things, some learnings from there, which we can use in, you know, spiritual leadership. You understand that, okay, this is what, you know, being a pastor entails, right? And we also, I just thought today, we'll also look at two, you know, two chapters from the book, Code of Honor. So if you've already downloaded that, you can, you know, you can just open it up. But otherwise, I'll also try projecting it. I've got a download here, right? So, now, yeah, some of the things from there, principles of ministry and, and so on, personal life. So I just thought we look at two things. One is to, with regard to ministry of the word and the other one with regard to relating with people. Now, people and preaching, right? So both are, both are very much there and important for, especially for the role of the pastor, right? So we kind of look at that in today's class, right? Okay, so let's, let's turn to first Timothy, if you have your bibles. Let's, let's look at, I think we, we looked at first Timothy chapter four, right? Where Paul says, let no one despise your youth. Now, you're a young person. Timothy was a young person in Ephesus. So he's saying, let no one look down on your youth or despise your youth. But you be above the approach in, in your life, right? In your, be an example to the believers. And he lists down six things. And he says, be an example in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity. And again, goes back to, you know, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. So the word of God being very, very central to everything that the minister of God does. And especially, typically for the pastoral ministry as well. And of course, he says, do not neglect verse 14, do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy, with the laying on of hands of the eldership. Meditate on these things, give yourself entirely to them. So, so the gifts, you know, we know that for, like God does not just say, okay, try and figure out, you know, there are certain things which we, you know, which God has given us the freedom with regard to church structure, church governance, and so on leader, you know, he's given us the freedom, the flexibility. But along with that comes the wisdom and the guidance, right? We can always ask him. So we don't have to, you know, try to reinvent the wheel, try to figure things out. But, you know, but the thing is, we need to understand that, you know, there's so much of difference, right, in culture, in the kind of people that the church is, and whether it's rural, whether it's urban, so there's so much of freedom and flexibility that we have in giving that leadership, right? But we can always depend on the Holy Spirit, right? So Paul is saying, do not neglect the gift. So with the gifting, with the call comes the anointing or the empowering by the Spirit of God. So he empowers in order for us to carry out the task, whether it's, you know, whether it's the evangelist or the teacher or the pastor, along with the call comes the empowering, right? And along with the empowering, we know that the Holy Spirit, you know, He comes and indwells us. And there are certain things which begin to, you know, manifest as gifts because of the role, right? And so Paul is here reminding, don't neglect that gift. Okay. And he tells, he reminds Timothy again, you know, as an overseer, don't neglect again, you know, God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind. And that is also in the context of the gift, which is, which is in Timothy, which Paul is recognized, you know, and as a spiritual leader, and which, who Timothy is Paul is reminding him, don't neglect that gift, you know, because that gift is for the edification of the body. So don't neglect it. So he's saying, you know, do not neglect the gift, which was given to you when we commissioned you, right? And take heed to the doctrine, to the teaching, continue in them. For in doing so, you will save both yourself and those who hear you. So we see that, you know, like we saw in the Old Testament in the book of Ezekiel, that the pastoral roles to feed, you know, the feed the ones who are whom the pastors will call to shepherd. And as anyone remember, you know, what is that Greek word which, which refers, you know, what used to typically used as for the pastor, which we see in Ephesians 411 also the Greek word, which is used there. Anyone? It is a word which means shepherd or a herdsman. And, okay, in the Greek, it means, okay, this is how it's spelled in English, poyman, or poyman, or poyman, which means shepherd or a herdsman, one who tends to the flocks, right? Okay, so chapter 5, so here we see again Paul writing Timothy and saying, okay, this is another facet of being a pastor, like the role of the pastor, which is, which is bringing in correction, bringing in correction, bringing in alignment. And it's with people. So Paul writes this, he says, do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters with all purity. So in terms of, you know, correction, yes, people are not aligned to the truth, people are, you know, we need, one thing we need to understand is, you know, quite unlike the role of the evangelists, which would be typically covering geographical territory physically, and like in terms of travel, having an itinerary ministry, itinerant, being an itinerant minister, the teacher also to some extent, right, when we look at some of the teachers and how, so that also could be itinerant, right? Whereas the pastor for the most part is, it is actually stationary. It's not an itinerant ministry unless, you know, an evangelistic or an apostolic call is also there, where it's a church planting, you know, ministry and an apostolic call, so which means to, you know, go into areas, pioneer new ministries and so on, or an evangelistic gift also operating. So the thing is, so for the past, for the most part, the pastor ministry is stationary, so which means engaging with people over and over again, you know, maybe, and with the nurturing aspect also comes the correcting and so on. So Paul writes and he says, you know, do not rebuke an older man, but exhort as a father and so on, right? And then you see that there is the spiritual aspect to be taken care of and also, and which is very, very crucial, and also some of the natural, what I would say, you know, some organizational aspects of the ministry as a pastor, you know, some administrative tasks, which I'm sure you will learn in, you know, church administration, and which you can use for other ministries also, you know, it's not a church ministry. The principles can be employed in other, you know, areas of ministry as well, but you know, church administration typically talks about the church, the body of Christ, the local church. So you, of course, you will, you know, learn a lot more there in that course. But here, you know, you see that the reality is that there is some amount of works and administrations that come with the gift, with the ministry, right? So he writes about that, especially about the widows and how, you know, and goes into details of what should be done and so on, right? Then in verse 17 talks about elders. These are people who are again spiritual overseers. He talks about bishops. Then here in verse 17, he talks about, talks about elders, verse Timothy chapter five, right? Let me just pull up that verse five and verse 17. Okay. Yeah, I think someone had a question. Yes, Mange, you have a question. Thank you, sir. In chapter five, verse 17, this issue raises a lot of traveling in the church where they say that some pastors must get paid a lot of money while others get, like, oversee a pastor, get paid more money than anyone else in the church. And now we are not supposed to save God for money or for any material again, but also people still have to live. And whenever people raise the issue of being rewarded for the two, they bring up this verse here. Say, the overseer or the elder is worthy of double reward, even though other people work under him, they also need to survive. So what can you advise on this one? Yeah. Yeah. So thanks, Mange, for that question. So the thing is, you know, this, what is laid down here, of course, it should not be used for manipulation or as a sense of entitlement. But really, Paul writes, he says, those who rule well, okay, those who labor in the word and doctrine, let them be counted worthy of double honor. Okay. And, you know, verse 18, he also backs it up with scripture. And he says, you know, in the Old Testament, yes, you do not muzzle an ox or ox or, you know, tie the mouth of an ox as it's threshing out the grain. Because if it grabs the mouthful, it's okay. For the laborer is worthy of his wages. Okay. So, so the thing is to really, you know, as a, so how do we do it honorably? How do we do it in a way that's, that's on us God, that, that does not be little man, does that not bring in abuse. So, so we do it in the most God honoring manner, in the sense that, you know, if there is a, if there is a leadership, then you lay down, okay, these are, you know, this, this is the need of the, of the person. And this is the kind of city that they are living in or a village that they are living in. And this is the cost of living. And, you know, in, in modern terms, you know, in today, that is what we would look at. We would look at, you know, the qualifications, the experience, and also the size of the household, the place where they are, you know, ministering, and the need that they might be facing, because of the place also, the cost of living, et cetera. And, and remuneration that the church can afford, based on whatever the income is, and you make it official, right? So, so that's, that's about it. You know, and the word elder again means, you know, Presbyterus, you know, someone who's having oversight. So, so if the, you know, this again, talks about, you know, the, the laborer is worthy of his wages. So he's talked about, he talks about someone who is obviously someone not volunteering their time, but someone who's serving, doing this full time. And, you know, as part of an agreement, maybe serving as a staff in today's, you know, term, we would, we would say, you know, someone was serving. So it can be done in the most God honoring manner where everyone comes under, you know, submits to one another. And there is an agreement and saying, okay, this is what it is, right? Now, for example, you know, for many years, I would say, you know, the senior pastor of ABC did not take a salary because vocation as in the IT business, so he did not take a salary for, for many years. So, so things like that, you know, you set an example and say, okay, this is what it is, I have this, so my needs are met. So therefore, you know, I'm not going to, so, so you have those examples as well. So, so to not really abuse this scripture, but to do it in a very God honoring manner, right? So, yeah, the other question is, how many elders should a congregation have? Well, we don't have any, any such specifics, but I guess it would depend on the, you know, size of the congregation, if it's a, if it's a big, obviously a thousand, two thousand member congregation, then based on the needs, spiritual needs of the people, you could have more people. Yeah, we're welcome, so more people taking care. So that's about it. So we don't have even in terms of structure, you know, there is this flexibility because of the kind of church, you know, it could be a house church, it could be a church in a, you know, wherever geographically it's located, or it could be a, or it could be, you know, whatever God has graced that particular church to be. So, yeah, so it depends on that, right? I hope that helps Kennedy, right? Okay, so, so the elders who rule well, which means that, yeah, you know, there is a sense of appraisal also, you know, appraisal or review to see, you know, how are they serving? Okay, so, so you could do that as well. And it's interesting that Paul mentions that who rules well, which means, how do you know that they rule well unless you observed, unless you've taken note of what they're doing and, and maybe have some criteria for, you know, in whatever area of that they're doing, you know, what, what are those, you know, in management terms, you would say KR is, you know, key result areas. So what are those areas that you can define? So, so you can at least, you know, look at those areas and say, okay, this is what you were looking at. And so, yeah, should a woman serve as a church elder? Yeah, by all means, there's no, you know, there's no restriction, Kennedy, with regard to, you know, any of the five-fold ministries, you know, the, there's no, like we've been studying, we've been looking at, you know, apostles being, you know, women being apostles, women being, you know, other ministry officers also. So, yeah, so, so similar, similarly, a woman can serve as an elder, but different churches, I know, you know, certain churches have a very strong opinion, stand that only, there should be only male leadership, which restricts women from being leaders or being, you know, which confines women to only, maybe children's ministry or, you know, ministry to women and so on. Some churches have such a thing, but we don't really see that in scripture, like how we've been studying, you know, and especially those two, those two challenging scriptures, right in 1 Corinthians 14, and also in 1 Timothy chapter 2. So, 1 Timothy, sorry, 1 Timothy, is it 2? Yeah, 2 and verse 11. So, so based on that, I guess there's been, you know, some restrictions on women in some denominations or some churches, but really, if you look at scripture, you don't see that. Yeah. Okay, so, yeah, so let's move on. Let's look at, you know, verse 17, so this is what he says, you consider and you see if they've been serving well, if they've been, so because the labor is worthy of his wages. Okay, then again, about correction. So you see the role of the, you know, role of the pastor overseeing all this. So, so there is this administrative side, there is the, the spiritual side, there is a natural side that is there, you know, the other things, the organizational thing to look into, right. So here, verse 19 onwards, he talks about, you know, if there is an accusation, okay, against an elder. So, which means the scenario is, okay, here's the church in Ephesus, there are elders, there are bishops, there are deacons, and here is Timothy, who's a young man, who's giving oversight, and Paul is writing to Timothy and saying, you know, if there's an accusation against an elder, do not receive it, except from two or three witnesses, which means that if it's a one-off thing, wait and see, is there a pattern? And if there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of complaint against or accusation against an elder, whatever be the case, you know, if there are two or three, then you need to receive it. And, you know, you need to correct, right. And of course, you know, this, the second one, the verse following that, verse 20, also has been misused, right, in very, in many circles. Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear, okay, those who are sinning, which means those who are continuing to sin, right, those who are continuing in a lifestyle of sin. But the thing is, we know the model which the Lord Jesus laid out that, you know, if you have, yeah, Kennedy, I'm just coming to that. So if, you know, if there is a person who's sinning, then the Lord says, you go and settle it personally. But if he does not, then you take two or three witnesses with you. And even after that, if he does not, then let him be to you as, you know, as an outcast in the sense of it. So you take a stronger measure. So here also, it talks about someone who is continuing in sin, right. So as a overseer, spiritual leader, Timothy has to address that. So that comes with the ministry of the pastor. So those who are sinning, so you reach that place, verse 20, rebuke in the presence of all. So obviously, it is affecting, influencing the flock, influencing the church, right? In a negative manner, maybe it's causing division, maybe it's causing, you know, all kinds of confusion. So rebuke in the presence of all that the rest may also fear. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, the question is, can an elder drink wine in moderation? You know, this again, you know, I know there are churches who, you know, who talk about drinking wine or alcohol in moderation, because, you know, Paul writes and he says, you know, verse chapter three, verse three, not given to wine. Okay. It means that it's not his disposition is not to drink and keep drinking. And he repeats that again into the deacon, not given too much wine. So the question is, you know, is some wine okay? But the thing is, knowing the potential of, you know, this practical advice and opinion, knowing the potential that wine or alcohol can have in a person's life, knowing the doors that it can open, knowing that people have some predisposition to addiction to alcohol. And also the fact that it's a cultural taboo in certain societies. And what we see in Corinthians as, you know, not only take care of yourself, but you consider the one who is weaker, right, the one who is maybe coming out of addiction. And given all that, you know, what we as a church and ministry advocate is complete abstinence from wine or any form of alcohol. Yeah, for the for the leadership, for the ones who are serving as volunteers, and also the ones who are on staff as pastors and as spiritual leaders is complete abstinence. There is also a message on that. I'll try to find the link and you can listen to it and see if it makes sense. So this is the reason why I say, okay, no to wine and no to alcohol. While we understand that it's in some churches in some cultures, it is permissible, but one has to ask the question. I know it is permissible, but is it helpful? You know, is it helping the one who is a weaker brother? Or am I being a stumbling block? So that's the, I think those are the questions we need to ask in answering this, right? Okay. So then we come to us. So I hope you understand the context of verse 20, right? It's not that because many have done that and it's hurt people and destroy people's lives, right? So the thing is to exhaust the other two steps before. So it is something that is continuing and it's a pattern, it's a lifestyle. So, you know, you exhaust the first two and before you actually come to the third step, which is to rebuke in the presence of all, right? And sometimes even the, you know, the extreme measure of telling the person not to be part of the fellowship because it is, it is causing division, it is causing problem. The people in the fellowship of the church are being affected, right? Because of one person or group of people's lifestyle and how they are and what they are doing, right? So that is, that's the extreme measure. Okay. So verse 21, again, while dealing with people will come to that. So do everything without prejudice, without any partiality. Do nothing with partiality because it's dealing with people. Yes, some people can be very, very irritating. Some people can be very nice. But when you're you know, when, when you have to judge between or discern, judge, I think is, you know, when you have to say this is right or this is wrong, you know, you need to do that without prejudice and without any partiality, you know, because human nature, this person is nice and you tend to, you know, extend a little more grace maybe and the person has been very, very, you know, what do you call irritating and very disrespectful and the same grace is not extended in such cases. But then he's saying, no, if you're doing one to the other person, you know, you do to this person as well, right? So do nothing without partiality. Do not lay hands on anyone hastily. So this laying on of hands and it also continues by saying, no share in other people since keep yourself pure. Okay, so purity, holiness, integrity, we know is, you know, is a given as a foundation. There's no question of compromising on that, right? So Paul is reiterating that. And the other thing is do not lay hands on anyone hastily. Here he's referring to laying hands and commissioning a person as a elder or a leader as an overseer over people. Okay, so he's talking about that. Do not lay hands on anyone hastily. We see that, you know, when they commissioned elders, we see in Paul's ministry journeys, if you look at the book of Acts, in, I think it, so we see in Acts chapter 14, that they went, they exorted, they appointed elders in every church and pray fasting, they commanded, commended them to the Lord, and so on, right? So they do that. So it is a work of commissioning that Paul is referring to. And also, you know, when he talks to, talks about Timothy himself in the earlier verse, early chapter, first chapter, we see that it was, it was an act of commissioning. They lay hands, prayed, and, you know, prayed for the work of the Holy Spirit, the gifts to be stirred up, and so on. Again, in Second Timothy also, we see that. So they say, do not lay hands on anyone hastily, referring to appointing spiritual leaders. So we see that that responsibility is part of the raising up spiritual leaders and appointing spiritual leaders, appointing elders is also part of the ministry work of the pastor. And so here's the caution, you know, do not do that hastily. And he also cautions earlier in chapter three, the same thing, right? Let them be tested. Let them not be a novice or, you know, a new believer or an inexperienced person or immature person, unless they become puffed up, unless they become prideful and come under the same condemnation as the devil. So do not lay hands, etc. He says, then you see in chapter six, that talks about employee-employer relationship, and so on, right? So we see that he covers quite a bit of this responsibility, because it's with people, and your journey with people covers quite a bit of, you know, quite a bit of categories, right? A number of categories, their spiritual life, you know, the important thing about doctrine, about being rooted in the word, and so on, the spiritual aspect of it, the core, then goes on to, you know, their life, their family, then the administrative side of things, correction, bringing in correction, bringing in strong correction, and taking those decisions also deals with enlisting people, raising up people, enlisting them, commissioning them for ministry, observing their ministry, observing the work and appraising their work, reviewing the work, and also rewarding appropriately, right? So it involves, it's like a full package, it involves a whole lot of that, so the thing is sometimes we think, okay, you know, is this really spiritual work, right? Sometimes we, you know, maybe our heart goes out to, you know, the spiritual nature of the work, I mean, or in the sense of, you know, ministering the word and prayer and prophesying and intercession and all that, right? But when we look deeper, we see that all this is also part of the ministry of the pastor, right? All this is part of it, so Paul has to write down, he, you know, lays out all these instructions very clearly. Something, sometimes are just, some things are just principles, it doesn't give out specifics, but some are, you know, like specific things when it comes to rebuke and correction and so on. So we see that, you know, this is it, so maybe, you know, if you're called to be a pastor, if you're called to, you know, that kind of a ministry, then it's earlier on itself, it's better to settle in our hearts that this is part of ministry, right? And there's no need to, you know, not give it importance. We must, because the organizational, the people's side of things, the administrative side of things, if ignored, you know, that can become a point of tension and also affect the spiritual side of it, right? So there is always a, you know, wholesome thing, both need to be weighed, both need to be addressed and both need to be, both are equally quote-unquote spiritual, right? So that is something that we need to bear in mind. Okay, so then chapter six, you know, about workplace, about bond servants and employees, employers and so on. And also goes on to some more, you know, chapter, verse three onwards, if anyone teaches otherwise, okay, here are these people and they're not, you know, who are under you, you are giving them over, over sides, spiritual oversight and the leaders, you know, if they're, if anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to hold some words, even the words of the Lord Jesus and to the doctrine which accords with godliness. Okay, so qualifying all that, someone does not teach, does not consent, you know, you need to understand that they are proud, they are obsessed with disputes. I'm reading from verse four, paraphrasing verse four, obsessed with disputes, arguments over words, from which come, which is the source of envy, strife, reviling evil, suspicions. Okay, and from such is as withdraw yourself. Again, you know, it's, it's again, you know, people are, you have that conversation and then we are still very, very, you know, opinionated and they're continuing to do this. Then, you know, it is a source of, they are a source of envy, bringing in envy, bringing in strife, reviling evil suspicions and the whole package into the body, so you withdraw. Okay, he will again, you know, talk about, talk about this saying that, you know, you need to, you need to put away that person from among you, a divisive person, you know, he says in the second episode, right? So you see this and then again, we know that it involves ministry, involves money, the work involves money. So Paul writes about that and he says, the love of money is a root. Okay, the love of money is a root. Desiring to be rich, many have fallen into temptation versus nine onwards, nine and 10. And they have opened themselves and pierced themselves with many sorrows. Okay, so he's saying, but you, you pastor Timothy, you man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. Okay, so don't pursue love of money. Pursue these things. Okay, quite the good fight of faith, layhold of eternal life. Okay, so all that. And then he goes on to say in verse 17, command those who are rich in this present age, not to be proud, not to be haughty, not to trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God who gives us richly all things to enjoy. Okay, let them do good. And they be rich in good works, ready to give willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation. So, so there's a thin line. There's a fine line. We know that money is important. We know that money is, you know, necessary. It's a necessity. But there is a thin line between, like we studied in the financial stewardship course, there's a thin line between fine line that we should know, because when you cross that line, then you, then you start putting your trust in riches. And you start pursuing without you realizing that there is developing in you a love for money, because you realize them, you know, necessity and importance of it, but you say, don't put your trust in riches, because riches can be uncertain. So he says, don't put your trust in uncertain riches. So, so for Timothy, you know, all these instructions for the pastoral ministry. Okay, okay, let's look at very quickly, you know, maybe move on to the second episode. And let's look at a few instructions there also, right. Chapter one, you know, second Timothy chapter one, verse six, again, there, he reminds Timothy to stir up the gift of God, which is in him. And he says, for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind. So, you know, you understand that the importance of being rooted in the word, the importance of moving in the things of the spirit. And the reason is that the ministry might be effective, fruitful, and would result in edification of the people. That's the intention. And that you see, that's the emphasis, you know, give yourself entirely to the doctrine, you know, hold on to those pattern of sound words that you heard from me and commit these to others who are able to each other's also. So the, the whole thing I'm emphasis of, you know, being rooted in the word and being open to the ministry of the Holy Spirit, you know, and, and go into that, you know, don't neglect that, don't neglect that aspect, because it results in edification of people, edification of the church for which the pastor is there and a God has raised up the person just for that. Right. And the ministry look takes care of that. So therefore, don't ignore it. Right. Verse 13, hold fast the pattern of sound words. Okay. That was that you heard from me in faith and love, which are in Christ, Jesus, and that good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit, right, whatever was committed. I'm just skipping a few verses there and going on to chapter two, saying be strong in the grace that is, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, verse two, and the things you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. So here again, the raising up of leaders, equipping people and raising up, raising them up to be spiritual leaders so that they can in turn, mentor, teach others. So he's saying, you know, commit these two faithful men who will be able to teach others also. And of course, the end of that teaching is edification, that they might discover the call that they might. So when you say teaching, it's both teaching, demonstration, impartation, everything, you know, for them to have an encounter with God. Right. So that is what was the teaching of Paul or the way in which he ministered was that, right. We see a classic example, the church in Corinth, it's been one and a half years there or more. And by the end of it, the church was exposed to the gospel, I mean, they were exposed to the word of God, rooted in the word of God, and exposed to the work of the spirit and moving in the gifts of the spirit. Okay. So when we say teaching, it's not just, you know, not just passing on information so that they are, you know, they are instructed group, but it involves all that, all that impartation encounter with God. Right. So he's saying, you commit these two others who will be able to teach others also. Okay. So we'll take a break and then we'll come back.