 Ekonomik akship, NLC putest onga poverty insecurity amist government plea for ongestanding. I am Borla Oba Anfis, is plus politics. The organized labor under the leadership of Combejoa J. Row on Tuesday made bold its threat to stage a protest over the continued onga poverty and insecurity. Ekonomik akship ongestanding. The Nigeria Labor Congress, together with other affiliated bodies, started the march in the early hours of Tuesday from the headquarters. Ekonomik akship, NLC putest onga poverty insecurity amist government plea for onga poverty insecurity amist government plea for ongestanding. నిముక౾తర్బ్సినపిగంా క్� speaks నినిర్లిసిటోసాగయుస్మారా. వివుకటి� Fruit 2017 థాథంవ. HTML 120 在於 ナゾ ön Merry お��� దమ్పర్, which included the full implementation of the welfare provision as content in chapter 2 of the constitution as amended by making the provisions justiciable in his response. The representative of the leadership of the National Assembly and chairman of the committee on Labour while assuring that the leadership of the National Assembly is aware of the ashes being faced by Nigerians assuring them that National Assembly will interface with the executive to address the situation. The government has been present on this subject. The government has been present on transportation. First measure on transportation is in the form of the national system where you have three measures or two measures for a long time to go down the course of six thousand years to come. One condition is that it starts and then goes to the town, the artist, to the gentleman. And in any case, in transportation, everything went well. I think the message was a lie that there is a need for this. That there is very much money to pay the prices that the government has a little money to use. And the lack of the leadership of the National Assembly is a lie, a lie, a matter. We understand this need of our common. We feel what we feel. We know that we will be discussed immediately at the plenary session. The leadership of the National Assembly. Joining us to discuss this is the chief operating officer, people's daily newspaper. I made Bello and Secretary. And also joining us is the former advisor to Vice President Attiku Abubakar, Frank Shuaib. Gentlemen, welcome to Plus Politics. Let me start with you, I made at least, at least I want to believe that your position is not going to be that partisan. What is your take of Labour's march yesterday? And how successful would you say it was? And what would you want to believe would be the impression it must have left with the government? Thank you very much. I'm very glad to be part of this program. Going by what the NLC said, they have achieved their aim in the protest which they staged on the first day. And then the first, it was not necessary for them to proceed. So the second day because what they wanted to achieve in the two-day, one-day protest had been achieved in one day. So what one understand from that is that they have been able to communicate with the authorities the pains Nigerians are going through, the harsh economic condition under which Nigerians are living in, and the demands that the Labour has made on how to mitigate these conditions. Well, the ball is now in the court of the government to see whether they are going through the line of Labour to implement some of the suggestions that Labour has made. And I believe that both the government and the Labour are both Nigerians and then they want to see a situation where the country no tribes. So I believe that hopefully the government will listen to the case made by the Labour and then implement some of the suggestions they have made and the ones they know they cannot implement, maybe they have to sit on the same table on the table with the Labour so that it will be a common ground. But so far from what we have seen in the reports of newspapers and television and radio, Labour has driven home its demands and then the government has listened to them so we now look forward to what actually government is going to take on the demands made by Labour. But so far so good. Dr. Shuaib, I know it is natural for you to have a partisan slant to eat but is almost inevitable to also I want to know how you people are thinking in your camp what is your take of not only Labour's protestation but the general circumstance that the country is in now socio-economically. Dr. Shuaib, you need to meet your device. You can hear me now. Yes, I can hear you now. Thank you. I think it is misplaced and somewhat unprocessional because if you feel that I am going to be in the studio on a national TV like yours on a big platform like yours to offer a partisan deal then I don't think I have a reason to be in the studio because hunger does not understand any language. Hunger does not understand politics. Hunger does not understand partisanship. Hunger is hunger anyway. The man who is hungry in the PDP is the same as the man who is hungry in the APC. There is no market in Nigeria that is meant for APC members and another one for the PDP members. So it becomes preposterous for anyone to believe and to state on a platform like this to say you know that my position may have a partisan slant. It has nothing to do with partisanship. I am first in Nigeria. Number two, I am not a former spokesman to the former vice president of Nigeria. I am an advisor on public communication to the former vice president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and I have held that position since 2018. So two things I am sure I have taken care of. But I am saying this because of the future. You know if I am going to be invited to discuss a national malaise, a national problem like hunger and poverty in the land that has attracted labour and the Nigerian Labour Congress to mobilise Nigerians to go to the streets, then we should discuss as Nigerians. I am only a privilege, I am only a matter of service for me to be working for the former vice president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. That said, hunger is hunger. Number one, I want to state clearly and unambiguously that in the first place if President Tinubu does not kill Nigerians hunger will kill Nigerians. Hunger will kill Nigerians. In President Tinubu does not kill Nigerians. So and this must be driven home. The book of Proverbs 29 verse 2 is clear and unambiguously. It says when the righteous rule, the people rejoice. But when the wicked rule, of course the people will grunt, the people will cry, the people will gnash their teeth and all of that. So it is about bad leadership. Bad leadership. So if it is about bad leadership, what are we going to talk about? If you say no, the Nigerian Labour Congress organized a march in Lagos yesterday and ordinarily they have driven home their point how many times have they driven home their point. Only a few weeks ago a document purportedly signed, a memo purportedly signed by the Secretary to the Government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria made its way into the public space where it was succinctly captured that the Secretary to the Government of the Federation in the midst of hunger and poverty made the request of one billion men of our collective patrimony, tax payers money to be released for him to organize a meeting with organized labour to discuss minimum wage. Of course the president of my country graciously approved the release of 500 million men for such a jamboree when the people are hungry. You understand me? So it is reckless. It is tenaciously wicked. It is bad, it is unheard of and we can't continue like this. For a government that came into power President Bola Mertini will promise Nigerians I remember sometime during the campaign when he said when he gets to power he is going to recruit about 50,000 young people to go into farming some of them will go into the military and all of that and that is how he was going to check poverty and one of the functions as well he made mention clearly that look he was not going to discuss his strategy to check poverty in Nigeria because he didn't want the position to copy his business plan and his plans for Nigeria and some of us began to wonder now that he has become president this is not time for politics this is time for governance so if this is the strategy he has been keeping to his test that he didn't want his opponents to copy then he becomes lack of it you don't forget too that only few weeks ago or few months ago a female banker committed suicide within a banking hall within a banking hall in Nigeria within a banking hall in Nigeria going to poverty and hunger don't forget too that the National Psychiatric Hospital in Lagos the director the head of that institution was captured in the media to have said in clear and unambiguous points that in the last seven and a half months that is within the span of when President Obama took over till now the number of psychiatric patients has risen by over 100% you know hunger can make people to go mad so what are we talking about is this about politics is it about being partisan the first are clear and unambiguous so we cannot joke with the issue of hunger hunger does not understand any language poverty is poverty anyway a man who is hungry in Zampara is the same as a man who is hungry in your studio in Lagos so this is the issue would it be proper for me to expect somebody as senior as you are in the camp of the most respected opposition leader in Nigeria to be profiling ideas for solution or the things that you people would have done differently would it be proper for me yes very well only a few days ago we cancelled the president of my country we gave him a cancer we said Mr. President you took over power on 29 May 2003 the president of Argentina took over power on the 10th of December 2023 six months after you took over power the economy of Argentina was worse than the economy of Nigeria at the time the president of Argentina took over power my dear brother the president of Argentina sold all the aircraft in the presidential field he started flying on business class on commercial aircraft but in my country the children of my president jumped on our presidential jets to attend birthday parties in different parts of the world that is the issue now we want what we call the largest cabinet in the history of the federal public of Nigeria he has created more ministries he has more ministers in office and for God's sake you cannot say that you cannot say that Doctor Francois I'll come back to you I want you to be thinking through these two points before I come back to you one is the fact that you are factually right that the president of Argentina has taken some of the biggest some of the biggest cost-cutting measures in the history of governors anywhere in the world however some of the policies he has taken to especially removal of subsidy just like the removal of subsidy has taken Argentina now down down the abysses of about 200 plus inflationary trend that's number one but you are fortunately right that is dramatically cutting the cost the cost of government but I already said that too and I want you this is the second point I want you to be thinking about before I get back to you the president of the federal republic of Nigeria too has taken the courage to at least instruct the setting up of a committee for the implementation of the Orozoe report that about three administrations from the time that your principal was the vice president seemed to have done but I'll come back to you on those two but let me go to let me go to Doctor Amid the interim we also we also have joining us a functional national publicity secretary of Labour Party Doctor Bayami Arabambi Doctor Arabambi we will bring you into the picture later but Doctor Amid are you still there I'm here I know Doctor Frank Shoaib was a bit exasperated with the fact that I said I was hoping that naturally his opinion was going to be a bit slanted partisan partisanly but you are my fellow journalist and I want to believe without any partisan disposition on as much as it's fortunately right in all the allusions and references is made I still have to cut the balance with somebody like you what is your general take of the situation in the country ranging from socio-economic the socio-economic sphere to security to the direction of governance to just your take to begin with the government of president Bola Amid took a major decision economically by removing full subsidy which previous government tried to do but they were not able to do not only Tindubu even the key presidential candidates of the major parties like the PDP and the Labour Party also made promises to that they were going to remove subsidy and now here comes a president Bola Amid who has proceeded to actualize all those promises made by all the other candidates but as it were it does appear that the removal of subsidy has ushered in some complications in the economy which the government says it is addressing by taking policy measures to mitigate the removal of subsidy but it does appear that the removal of subsidy has instigated or brought about the kind of hardship that we have now coupled with the economic downturn in the devaluation of our currency and then with the foreign exchange complications Doctor Amid Doctor Amid let me quickly interject the removal of subsidy the removal of subsidy was actually conversed by all the three major presidential candidates but having said that I agree with you but having said that having said that on assumption of power coming to office the incumbent president not only remove subsidy he also floated the currency and the two policies the two dramatic structurally structurally fundamental policies came into being at the same time would you think that the two other principal candidates in the last presidential elections would have done it the dramatic way and the seemingly the seemingly let me just say the dramatic way he did it would you want to believe they would have done it the same way well what we do not know is that we don't know the strategy the PDP candidate article and then the the strategy that they would have adopted to address the removal of subsidy but it does appear that Tiniwu is taking his time but that time that he is taking somehow it's not even Nigeria's commensurate relief as a result of the removal of the full subsidy sorry yeah removal of subsidy so what people are saying is that in fact you under harsh tone people are saying that government is even contemplating bringing back full subsidy to mitigate the harsh economic conditions that they are experiencing currently but that does not seem to be because government has not spoken on that so it's as it is subsidy is gone for good subsidy is gone for good you think subsidy is gone Doctor Amid Doctor Amid I'll come back to you but I want you to be thinking about what the submission is just made how can subsidy be said to have gone for good when as a result of the depreciation of the Naira it is now obvious that the landing cost the landing cost per liter of oil is not what we are paying at the pump because the landing cost as we speak for a liter of oil is about 1200 Naira and we are paying about 620 Naira 7 worst case scenario in places like Maduguri and some others in the pain about 750 Naira so the difference between 750 Naira and 1200 Naira speaks to subsidy how can you as enlightened as you are be telling the public that the subsidy has been removed for good we are back where we were when this president came in be thinking about that let me bring in the third gentleman I'll come to you to give me your retort Dr. Arabambi Dr. Arabambi I can hear you well enough thank you very much for coming on Dr. Arabambi I really don't know I really don't know if you are competent to speak on behalf of the candidate of the Labour Party in the last presidential elections because of the functional the seeming condemnation of your faction by by the candidate and the people loyal to him in the other faction but what is your general take of Labour's protestation yesterday regarding the fact that they claim that Nigerians are hungry and what means your position on the socioeconomic situation of the country inclusive of security your take, your opening servo well thank you very much I've been issued for example I met who came with these acronyms of a new agenda for a new hope and all of us know that a feeling of frustration or desire for a particular thing to happen is what we call hope so a new is coming to renew our hope that has been damaged by the people of our administration because nobody gave the APC that slogan nobody gave them the acronym but they just said a new agenda for a new hope so a new issue that we are very hopeless economically financially, security wise Nigeria is an hopeless situation and now it came around to say I want to renew that hope for Nigeria but like I said other than what you said regarding our issues with NFC or Peter B Labour is not jointly claim they are saying what is factual because Nigeria presently we are the crossroads and that the new hope seem to be fading away and the president must now come out and be decisive even if it means to probe the body administration who was using Nigeria income not the fact it's not about income it's not about debt to service debt not payment a president who chooses to produce Nigeria and all of them are searching dollar I think the president must be decisive because where you have just like my brother said that what a banker did it was in this country that we were told it was a causing that ordered the signing of Naira it was in this country that a particular woman in the CBN $2,300 million of Nigeria money to go and invest in a bank so that they can take over you know union bank were in a very hopeless situation even though not caused by him but it must be decisive everyone that brought up to this level need to be brought to go this is not politics my brother in the pdp I said if you know I mean the Dr. Abambi Dr. Abambi you are putting your hand on your chest you are telling Nigerians that you believe that it's not the cause of the seemingly extenuating circumstance that we find ourselves in in the backdrop of the fact that it was the one that brought into place the the dramatic removal of subsidy and the dramatic floating of the Naira which is which sport the lack of confidence in the market that is making the money that is making the Naira to be losing value as we speak for you it has no fault for the two for those two policies she wanted the sponsor President Muhammad Rukwari during the primary she wanted the sponsor that man into governor and look at how President Bwari butters our economy and he not came and said don't worry trust me I can renew that offer with Nigeria but like I said you hope it's fate anyway but you thought Nigeria okay thank you very much let me go back to Dr. Frank Shuaib Dr. Shuaib in view of the way I left you the last time you spoke I said that you must also come to the realization that in so much as some of the allusions you made about President Milley of Argentina is true regarding his court cutting measures which is not so distant from what President Numbu did with subsidy removal you will agree with me that in the same way President Milley's measures have taken Argentina down the abyss of 200% inflationary trend number one and number two you said rightfully so that President Milley has been cutting excess in the cost of governance and I said President Numbu is equally as equally instituted a committee for the implementation of your also your report how would you respond to the two in the backdrop of the points you made before I went to your colleagues to respond as intelligent as you are I know that what Numbu is doing is completely different from what President Milley has done in Argentina number one what he is doing is putting the cut before the off the President of Argentina didn't work out to remove subsidy he started he took measures before starting the reforms in our own case in Nigeria we started reforms he woke up one day single handed announced removal of fuel subsidy but the issue is this as the fuel subsidy be removed on your own you answer that question there is an opaque and secret diversion of money all in the name of removal of fuel subsidy by the President's leadership of Nigeria he cannot tell me that they have removed subsidy and that's why I am shocked I am in deep shock that my colleague in the studio in front of him he referred to him as your colleague forgetting that they have been in the same media industry for 27 years but that notwithstanding of course I agree with him that I should have been my ass because I work for Atiku Agobaka but the issue is simple like I said hunger is hunger anywhere in the world question is this no it's much of wretched electricity for anybody to contemplate that the subsidy has been removed by President Bola and that he removed it in one moment he is on your own you said that look a man cannot say he removed subsidy on petroleum products and petrol sells at a stagnated figure or oscillate between 640 and 689 per liter why did you as I speak to you as I did yesterday in my house I sent money to my team at home and I know that they bought diesel at a thousand a thousand seven hundred per liter now if they buy diesel how do you explain a situation where petrol remains at a constant or a near constant figure while the cost of diesel keeps rising it's much of electricity you understand because I don't understand that kind of economic economic terminology the Sibian governor as well as the minister of finance claims that it was based on their sterling performance in their various films that they were so appointed as minister and governor but they have not been able to do anything magical the claim they did in Lagos the question is this don't forget too that the International Monetary Fund in their latest reports stated clearly that the amount of subsidy being paid by the current administration is far and above what Mohammad Ubuwari paid while he was president of my team Bola Metinubu is president of my country he cannot divorce himself from the administration of Mohammad Ubuwari he was the leader of that political party he was the leader of the party Dr. Shuaib we have discussed in economics we are discussing economics hello sir hello hello hello we are discussing economics we are discussing economics we are discussing economics but the facts too must be put out rightly your principal the leader of the party of the apc your principal was one of those your principal was in the same camp and was one of those who helped to bring about the precedency of Uwari too we must factor that in in the historical fact if you are in the studio to discuss on that we are not running elections but principal is not at the moment contesting elections we are talking of a man he is just like asking you see you are assisting them what you are doing is called a neighbor man a neighbor man in the center a man is an expert who has an expertise in riding in motorcycle decided to to seize a car at gunpoint and he doesn't know how to drive a car how will he when he now eventually takes the car how will he drive it home that is the point we are the man is stranded in this house so you cannot they give to tell me about how my principal assisted them the apc to install a muamad uwari at that time no seeking office is different from administering a country a complex country like Nigeria requires leadership that is constructive leadership that is detailed leadership that is deliberate and now is the first day he was wanted that he has removed fuel sausage on your own you have admitted in this that there is still fuel sausage there is an opaque and secret diversion if they say there is no fuel sausage it means that the president and his team are stealing money from Nigeria through the secret subsidy because there is no way no way a president of a country there is no country in the world that says that look we have removed fuel sausage and the cost of fuel is not being determined by the market process of demand of supply you keep dwelling on that you keep dwelling on that you make that point and that point is well made I made you interjected you see you have I post two questions to you why do you want I post two questions to you you kept dwelling on one you know I will not help you to respond to this question I will not help you because you are practically doing the job of the APC in the studio you started by saying look you know that you cannot get a non-partisan position for me and honestly this is the first time I am going to get that from plus TV because I have been honoring invitations from plus TV and several meetings to attend to today and I honored that this invitation because of plus TV I made my point on that so in this matter you cannot you cannot approbate or reprobate at the same time you cannot you don't have that power the issue is simple in the same studio you have said that look this man has not removed sources so the problem is that this man you understand me calm down calm down let's listen to let's listen to ourselves I was the one that posed a question to one of your colleagues that if he claims that subsidy has been removed I would and I am going back to him to answer it you don't need to go back to him because it is public knowledge public knowledge you don't need to go back to him even a three-year old who knows that a man says he has removed subsidy and the price of what as you sit here before you go to the studio in leaving your house to get to the studio I know how much is spent on getting this one the issue is simple I know the number of messages on your phone asking for audience two thousand man audience one thousand man the number of pressure the amount of pressure that is on you as a TV presenter because they see you on TV they believe you have so much more meanwhile you have your own issues to deal with we know the pressure everybody is getting in this country the question is this government has no direction till this moment they are still struggling comparing them with the president of Argentina who started this before starting his response what will we have done differently we have so much would have done differently would have put structures in place even when article proposed then the former vice president proposed that look I was going to remove first subsidy he put that you can read our documents my covenant with the people he said clearly we will stop our reforms systematically it is going to be in stages we are not going to just wake up and remove first subsidy without planning a man who fails to plan we have already planned to fail this is the issue we attended all the debates but now the president failed to speak to the people so why would you not come up with what we are receiving today can I come in now please do please call the points you want to make but I need to make two clarifications number one number one you are a nationally and internationally visible character as a prominent advisor of the former vice president so if when I was introducing you and I wanted to ask you question and I said I would rather go to a gentleman who would not be perceived to have partisan slanting it was not because I wanted to be disrespectful let me make my point hold on the word perceived you can play back this video after this production you did not use the word perceived I said you may need we will send you the recording I will send you the recording because I said it could be said that you would have a partisan slant and his rest he does not take anything away from you because you are proud of your support of article you believe in him so how could that be an insult or why you seem to be emotional about it as though it was said condescendingly or disrespectfully it was not meant to be that that is number one number two is that when I was trying to tell you a while ago that the point you were making regarding subsidy was logical and that you have made that point along I said I asked you two questions one was the issue regarding the inconsistency in the logic of subsidy and the fact that the landing cost relative to the pump price these days speaks to subsidy but I will say that I said I also asked you that three previous administrations including the one that your principal toyed around your Rosoye report but like president Mele of Argentina he has now instituted the committee with the view to implementing reducing the cost of governance I said I wanted you to approach that my dear brother you wanted to call me an FPC apologist in this my dear brother the question has asked us on this you don't even need the services of a cleverer to hazard a guess to what the back question should be here is the man okay let me come back to you and the guys who got colleagues and I have to give them equal opportunities no no no I will come back to you I will come back to you you took too much on the subsidy you do have too much on that subsidy I will come back Doctor Amid you see the problem you put me into now you see the problem you put me into frang shahib who is now lacerating me emotionally and intellectually because frang shahib is playing politics without playing politics okay frang shahib believes that you will be too generous in your submission that the president  Jamaica, in the backdrop of the reality that only one hand the measure, the ill judgment that brought about the measure supposedly I want to believe that was the point he was making that the ill judgment, that brought about the measure seemed to have cost the economic trauma that people are facing now but ironically and paradoxically subsidy according to IMF, which is rightly referred to is the cost of subsidy is even higher, how would you want to respond to that point? Well the point I was making initially I was beginning from a fundamental promise which is that the three key presidential candidates of the major parties, the APC, the PDP and the Labour Party, each one of them adopted a position to remove full subsidy if they were elected. But since they were not elected, we don't have an opportunity to see how they were going to implement the aftermath of full subsidy. Now we have a case in our hand now, the current president has succeeded in removing the subsidy. But we are beginning to see some complications that are playing out that the hunger that has been talked about is affecting everybody in the country. But I am not too sure whether the hunger we are experiencing now is solely as a result of the removal of full subsidy. Because we have a major problem of insecurity, farmers cannot go to the farms to produce food as a result of insecurity. We have the foreign exchange complication which is affecting our monetary policies and also affecting the spending power of Nigeria. And then we have a whole lot of factors that are really given rise to the economic condition which we find ourselves which is why Nigeria's are getting hungry. So this is the point I was trying to make actually. Maybe perhaps if I think who had become president will have had an opportunity to see the pragmatic approach he was going to make to address full subsidy if he eventually removes it. That was the point I was trying to make. I will come back to you but before I go to Dr. Arabanbi, I wanted to be thinking through the fact that and I agree with you that insecurity may have also complicated the cost of food because farmers have been, farmers have been encumbered from easily assessing their farm states. But I also would like when I come back to you, for you to think through on whose table does the box stop when it comes to fighting insecurity. However, Dr. Arabanbi, I will come back to you on that. Okay, that's fine. Dr. Arabanbi, we have a confluence of the many ugly factors. Dr. Frank Shuaib rightfully believes that removal of subsidy and the ill judgment in the pronouncement of the floating of the currency may have been the primary causes that have let us down this abyss. Dr. Amid is of the opinion that notwithstanding the fact that all the three principal candidates or three major candidates promised they were going to remove subsidy, at least we can only empirically examine what the incumbent is doing. But he also came up now with a picture of insecurity, how insecurity is further complicating the socioeconomic circumstances that we find ourselves in. Dr. Arabanbi, what is your take and what will be, let's be moving in the direction of post-sitting advice now, what will be the advice that will come from your faction of the Labour Party to ameliorating these unfortunate circumstances that we find ourselves in. And I'll be doing this round the three of you. Your take, Dr. Arabanbi. Thank you very much. I have advised the president to send what we call executive order, you know, that we introduce capital punishment for total length Nigeria, who have decided to consider themselves as economic predators in Nigeria. Do you know that a bullet of food droid won't explode for refining, you have a residual gas there, you have kerosene, you have bitumen, you have this aviation, you have gasoline, you have diesel. But everybody will come back to Nigeria with petrol. Now, a petrol laden with maybe 50,000 to 100,000 kerosene will not come back to Nigeria. The question is, where are the other components? And the cheapest, do you know that diesel is very cheap to refine because at the boiling point, as part of bitumen, where do they deposit them to? People will just take our crude oil and they will not come back with this narrative of the landing course. To this thing is higher than how much you gave me, it is off-road. I agree with my two brothers in the house, but the point remains, there is a different culture in Nigeria that will be called. How will people be satisfied with 35,000 naira and Nigeria will be committed suicide? And a government will see them to give one billion to some individual to determine how much Nigeria will earn. How will people be satisfied with 35,000 naira and Nigeria will be committed suicide? గ్గిక్లుతేల్లుకు. మునారండికు,కుస్చులు. మునుటం. సీక్టకలు. ముప్టక్టా. మర్ర్టకిదికెపెచే. సీట్టికికడిరుటా.  Independence  unl  lacks                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To you, I am an APC Apologist, but having said that, I still have a duty. I have a duty to let you, you know, you have tagged me as an APC Apologist, but you know what, I still have a duty to let you respond to the comparison I did between the lively implementation of the recent report and the measure of President Millay and whatever suggestion you may have because at the end of the day, this is the only country that we can claim to be ours and we all want solution. How would you want to wrap it up in about one minute please? Well, the truth of the matter is that you are the one who have canonized yourself as an Apologist of the APC. No, you called me, you called me, don't worry, he calls to me to tell you too. He doesn't have my brother and I will not offer an Apology on TV. You understand, the truth is this, we perform respect to you as always. You know, I commend very strongly the language of my brother from People's Daily as well as Libor Party. But the truth is this, while even trying to look at that comparison, like I said earlier, you cannot, there are two different things. President Bola Metinubu started work without planning. There are also reports, you understand me, ordinarily, ordinarily should be the first thing a man will think of when he's trying to cut costs of governance. You say you want to remove subsidy. But the cabinet we have today, the actions he has taken so thus far is diametrically opposed to the actions he is taking now. So it makes no sense. It is just a clear display of kabu-kabu economic policy. He doesn't know what he is doing. It's just one chance. It's like one is running a government as a one chance boss. You understand me, what will we have done differently? Like my brother in the People's Daily was asking, or maybe because Sinubu is in power now. That is why we don't know what he could have done differently. The former vice president would have done so more differently. And I'm shocked that as a journalist, he didn't know that we had the working documents. What I think he would have done differently as he relates to subsidy is encapsulated in his working document, my covenant with the people. And in that document, he said, look, subsidy will be removed in stages. Look at, let me give you an example. Look at what is happening to dango territory. He's been finding it difficult. Difficult. He's struggling to get the needed crude oil. Okay. You understand me? He has to import crude oil from the United States of America. Yes, the NMPC took a loan of 3.3 billion U.S. dollars from Afex in Bank. And gave our crude in exchange. How do you now expect the same economy to be stable? Is it possible? Okay. You can only do one thing and be mismanaging another sector. Greatlessly. These people are running kabu-kabu economic policies. And we have advised them, we have spoken. You are talking about the identity situation. Okay. You make your point. Let me give you a colleague, doctor. I made the opportunity to wrap up too. The time is not. Before I go, I am from Shaibu. Today again, I will complain as well. I know you have a college of two academics. Sorry. I am not a doctor. I am sorry. I have always, you know, something about me. I am a teacher. I have always believed that you have a, you know, you have a PhD. I will get there. I don't have a PhD. Thank you very much. Because I know at some point you were lecturing at the tertiary institution. But thank you very much for the correction. Well taken. Dr. Amid, you took some body shots from Shaibu. Who believes that because he has left our fold as a practicing journalist, we are now is punching back. You know, it comes with the territory. We take it with equanimity. But how would you want to wrap it up? The two doctors today, they are really dealing with the two politicians. They are really dealing with some. But let me give you the opportunity to wrap it up. In about 30 seconds. You spoke earlier about responsibility for insecurity in the country. And then you are expecting me to run one or two comments on that. I think security matter is principally responsibility of the current government of nature. Except now we have an opportunity where the government is trying to come up with state police, where each of the states of the country can have a police that is run by the state government. If that comes on board, we are likely to see a synergy between police in the state and police at the center. So that perhaps may contribute to mitigate and bring it down the level of insecurity. Dr. Amid. Yeah, I think that is what I want to say. Dr. Amid, the background boys are really hard on me. I want to say thank you to you. Dr. Arabambi, I want to say thank you for a good show. I may be shocked that a democrat could be calling for a military-like firing squad or execution. But it is your opinion. You are free to hold yours. And Frank Chuaib, the one of the prominent advisers of the former vice-president Attiku Abubaka. And I don't think that is anything disgraceful. I say thank you too for gracing the show. Thank you and I want to be here. And I would love to return again. Because we left so many things from back. Nigeria belongs to all of us. You will always have more opportunities. You will always have more opportunities. Any one of you will always have more opportunities here. Thank you. This is all we wrap it up for today. Thank you for keeping watch with us. I am Bola Oba. Have a good evening.