 Welcome to Church of the Chair, where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host, E, here with my co-host, Chad Lusky, and we are working on a collaborative effort. It's gonna be a novel, tentatively, called Planet Caravan. A lot of these streams is just us writing. So if you wanna write along with us, please feel free to do so. We will also be talking our way through any issues that pop up, any plot changes, any of that stuff. So as we work along, you're gonna hear a lot of that. This is episode nine, I think. Yeah, episode nine, Noveling Intensifies. Anyways, I'm loving the challenge of having to name these things something different every day. Comments, all of them. Anyways, first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go through and I'm gonna read what Chad, I'll share my screen so you guys can read what Chad has done. Hi, he is in the process of blending and rewriting a chapter I wrote called Coke and a Smile. You can see all my stuff down here that he's been incorporating throughout. And that's pretty much what we've been doing so far. It kind of fell into that easy routine. I've been writing ahead, he's been cleaning up. Good morning, Kami, how are you doing? Deliriously talented. Kami. Deliriously talented, gentlemen. Kami pops into my streams every now and again, man. Kami's awesome. Yeah, I know. She comes in every now and again, I'm always happy to see her. She gave me my first little-known fact. She gave me my first copy, hardcover copy of the Bachman books and I got to sit right about. Oh, wow. Yeah, I did a video on the Bachman books and for the longest time I only had the paper back. It was a big paper back, but it was a yellow ugly motherfucker. And I was like, I've been looking for a first edition, even if it's not a first edition, it can be a book club edition. I just want a hardcover for my shelf, right? And Kami hit me up and said, hey, I'm gonna send you something. And that's what she sent me. And I was like, holy shit. And since then I've found like three or four other ones, either the same one or the one, the UK version. And I've sent them off to everyone. I've kept the one Kami sent me, but I've sent all the rest of them off because paying it forward and whatnot. But as soon as it never fails, if I'm hunting something in the wild and I don't come across it forever, then either I find it or someone sends it to me, I end up finding it over and over and over again after that. I call it the PT Cruiser Paradox. I never saw a blue PT Cruiser before I bought one. I don't know what the hell that's up with that, but I know it's just experience, altered perception. But at the same time, when you have something, you see it everywhere. When you don't, you just kind of out of sight of it. Yeah, yeah. But yes. I liken it to when you get your heart broken, you're no longer with this chick anymore. You see her car fricking everywhere in town. Yeah. Anyway, I'm doing fantastic, Kami. Thanks for asking. I hope you're doing well too. It's funny when you're not looking, there it is. Yep, it makes me so happy that you kept mine though. Oh, of course, definitely. Anytime anyone sends me, I have stuff from people that did me so dirty that I never want to like even hear their name mentioned again, but I still have that item because it reminds me of the good times, you know? So I keep everything. I'm a bit of a hoarder when it comes to gifts and things like things of that nature. If someone gives me something, it doesn't go anywhere. Okay, so we are on Coke and a Smile. And it should be up on the screen. It is, if you guys want to read along. Kami, we're probably going to be quiet. I understand if you don't hang around, it's fine. But we're probably going to be quiet because we are working, working, working. Working and torching. Am I missing something here? Cassidy curls up on the couch, sits in the cloud. Like, is the, hang on, don't tell me. Are you saying that the couch cushion's busted and it's got fluff or did you- No, yeah, I can understand it might be confusing. No, I had talked about earlier just about breathing all the second hand smoke and how they got out of there when they- Oh, okay, all right, I got you. And hence the reference to, he'll be eating the pizza but we can say something like the marijuana cloud or- No, no, no, no, I actually think it's fine. Hang on, let me read it all together again. Maybe it does need something. I don't know why, but my brain's like, there's too much time between the first, maybe a accumulated cloud, accumulated smoke. I don't know, I like cloud, but that went through me. Maybe I'm just not awake yet. We'll come back to it. I'm not going to get stuck on something like that. Oh shoot, I forgot to change something. That's fucked up. Hunter's stealing the bike from the library. My wife has had so much stuff stolen at libraries. She's had her Kindle stolen from a library, her entire bag. This is when we were down in I think Spanish Fort in Daphne. And it wasn't even like a bad neighborhood or anything. It just, she'd set something down and it would disappear. Like, it's- Freaking hate thieves, man. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha, great at it. She got them floppy kits though. Ha ha ha ha ha ha, Hunter. I just want them saying the most inappropriate things in front of these kids. Right, oh no, I'm fine with that shit. Look who you're talking to, man, come on. I'm down with that shit. You see what would have happened had you let me open up the book. The first paragraph would have been nothing but cush words. Why do I love the fact that you moved, that you moved the puckered and pink nipple to the beginning of the paragraph instead of the end of it? That's, I'm sorry, it's like right up front it's the first pain, shame, notice. It's his cousin's nipple poking out of his shirt. It's such a random fucking scene. I love it. Yeah, it's, I think it's my, so far it might be one of my, one of my favorites. Yeah, it's such a random, random bit of, oh yeah. Just a perfect example of how screwed up these people are. Ha ha ha ha, yeah. Oh boy. It's a good time. You're such a good man. I'm like, merge into the crowd. I'm reading your stuff backwards. It's funny. Yeah, I already read that, never mind. I'll watch your work. That's a cool thing to witness. Well, sit down, kick back, relax, grab some snacks and enjoy yourself. I've never read a Louis Lamar book. So I went to, I wanted to use something specific from a book he might be reading. So I went to Wikipedia and I looked up the whole bibliography of Louis Lamar. And I, sometimes like with movies, not always, sometimes movies or books you can click on the link it'll tell you like pretty much every detail of the book, like the whole plot and everything. They had that for a one book, only one book of his out of all of them. Well, he wrote like hundreds of books, hadn't he? Yeah. Well, the list that they had on there, there was, there was a link, links to one just talked about the book is named after a land that he, or a town he wanted to start or something. And then the other one actually had like the plot summary and it talked about this character being woken by a, by a wolf trying to steal bacon. And then that just turned into a, you know, kind of a metaphor for whatever's going on here with, so that worked out great. Cool. Just finding that by a pure accident. Well, everyone's stuff like that happens. That's the magic. That's the magic I've been talking about. God damn it. We are at, for the listeners, we are at a 11,000 words, just over 11,000 words. Ooh, baby, I like the way it is growing. That's what she said. All right. Yeah, we're, and we're not even at the, we're not even at the carnival yet. Yeah, we're not at the meat of anything, so. Because once we get to the carnival, it's going to be almost like a reset. We got to introduce a whole new cast of characters. We got to describe the carnival, how the inner workings play out and all that stuff. So. Yeah. And just, just the night, you know, that even just the night before will probably be at least, I mean, I'm guessing, but at least a couple thousand words. Yeah. We'll probably hit 20,000 before we, before we get, before he actually arrives and starts living with the carnival or rolling. Yeah, probably, yeah. And that'll work perfectly because I've perceived the middle section to be anywhere from, you know, 25 to 40,000 in and of itself. Yeah. All the running around, the road tripping, you know, going from destination, location, location, all that shit. Subplot stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then the last bit, maybe like 10, 15,000 closing, falling action, you know, that stuff. Yeah. Climax, falling action, outro, all that. Yeah. We're looking at least, I would say at least 65,000 words. And now that the chapters are short-ish, they're not short, like, you know, they're not like Patterson, but they're definitely cliffhanger chapters, which is gonna keep people speeding through it. So at 70, at 65,000, 70,000 words, this'll still be for most people like a two or three sitting read, which, you know, it'll burn through a lot of people, you know, one sitting, but yeah, it already reads Quick as Hell. Like I feel like if I were to go back right now, I could read this entire section that we've written, probably not, but in about 15, 20 minutes, just because it reads so fast. Yeah. Might have chunky paragraphs, but it's like boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the carnival bits because it's just such an open world at that point, you know, just a big sandbox. If I could write nothing else the rest of my life, it would just be carnival, circus, amusement park, boardwalk stories, that's it. Like there's so much to plumb there. And you can have romance, drama, horror, sci-fi, fantasy, any number of things. Carnival is just, they're just full of stuff to plumb. So yeah, I'm all about the, because the other story that I'm writing is nothing like what we're gonna be doing. So, but yeah, if I had my choice and someone was, well, if I didn't have a choice and someone was like, you can only write one type of like setting for the rest of your career, it would a hundred percent be, I've also put the most research into that world. I'm also one of those people, like anytime I read a new carnival book or watch a new show, movie, whatever, I'm nitpicky as fuck. It's like, that's not how they do things. That is inaccurate, but try and do that less and less. So let it be what it is, man, let it be what it is. It also helps that the other carnival story that I'm telling is supernatural and this one doesn't have any of that stuff. Try and decide what I'm gonna do today while you're expanding and blending and all that stuff. If I could only write one thing, I think that it would be like, I just had to write for the rest of my life some kind of series, I would like, I would stretch out like Skull Face Boy over and just, it'd probably get boring, but just all of the random encounters, that was just that, that was probably the most fun to do. And I wanna have some of those random encounters type things where, like the Hershey's Kisses thing, Hershey Kisses thing scene reminds me of something that might be found in Skull Face Boy, just what a weird random encounter, you know? Like he pops in and he's staying with his family for a while and what the heck, this chick's rubbing this thing on her belly in there. That's the immediate image when I started writing that scene. As the immediate image was, there was like no point behind it, it's just in my head, I saw Bethany sitting there with this like a mortar and pestle kind of thing, but I was like, no, that's not it. So I'm like, what is she doing? And she's rubbing, it's a giant Hershey Kiss, and she's rubbing it on her belly. I'm like, so I Google, I'm like, is there cocoa butter in Hershey Kisses? And of course there is, I'm like, fuck it, that's the reason why she's doing it. But that's the very first image I got when I started writing. Do I know where the love of circuits or carnival started from? No, it's probably, I think one of the earliest things that I remember watching, there's something wicked this way comes, the old Disney movie. And I've always just been a fan of like Halloween and carnivals and things like that. I don't know where it comes from, but I would say maybe it's watching that movie at a very, very young age and just being drawn in by the magic and the spectacle of a carnival and how they're there and gone. None of those things are, you have things like out in Vegas where like, what is it, circus, circus, you have things like that. Just like a small collective of people just traveling around. There was something that really drew me about that. Also just being there is like being in another world, another planet, there's nothing like it in day to day life. The closest thing you're gonna get is maybe a carousel or someone of those rocking machines outside of like your grocery store, you know. Do they even have those anymore? Like, I can't remember the last time I came across a store with one of those machines out front where you could ride. That's something that just like disappeared. That's interesting. I wonder why they disappeared. But anyways, I think it has a lot to do with escapism and not being in a familiar place, but that unfamiliar place being nothing but fun. It's like the Willy Wonka dream, you know, you wanna own your own chocolate factory kind of deal. Yeah, I think that's where all that comes from. Of course, I could be wrong, it could be something deeper than that, but mostly it's the escape. Oh, and also if you find any weird things where I reference Bethany as Hunter or Hunter as Bethany, I swap their places in the rest of that chapter. So if I forgot any of them, yeah, I don't want you getting stuck on something like this is the wrong person. Yeah, trust me. I know, I had to go back and forth or some hiz instead of hers in there or whatever. Just keep an eye out for that. Do we know how we wanna start the next day? Good question. Like what timeframe or do we just wanna jump into like the next evening? Could we have them or maybe they send Cassidy and Shane out to get the baking soda or whatever to cut the drugs with. And along the way, Shane sees the flyer for the carnival or something like that or they see the carnival being set up on the way in town or so I don't know, not in the way in the town, they live in town, but on the way, I'm trying to think of a, probably just jump in and start writing it, but do you like that idea with them going out to get the stuff to cut it? Yeah, it's just that we've established that so far that Cassidy is just so not down with shoplifting. Anybody going with him? Yeah. Or Shane has established it. Yeah, I knew it. I knew what you meant. They can have them doing some, they can have them like not even tell, like Shane doesn't even know that where they've sent Cassidy or maybe that he does. I don't know. He wakes up and he's already gone. He can have Shane dig a hole in that he doesn't know what it's for, which he thinks is weird considering Uncle Travis won't let them dig holes for like their dog that died. And he could think he's digging a hole for something else when it eventually finds out it's grave. Unless they're just gonna, Cudder could be in the trunk or Cudder could just be dead at home. Very true. But if they did have him digging a hole, I don't know what the excuse could be that he would buy into right away for a little while anyway. Could be a... Well, it wouldn't be a very big hole but I was thinking maybe he could assume it or Travis could even tell him that it's to hide the drugs. And then as he's working, Travis just keeps saying, hey, that ain't big enough. That ain't big enough. He's like, how much do you... It's like, boy, do as I say kind of thing, whatever. It just keeps digging, keeps digging, keeps digging. I don't know if... I mean, Shane has been bold as fuck but would he argue that much with Travis? Could Travis threaten him with a whooping or something to get him to just go out there and not even explain it? And then he could go through his head. And I could make that stretch for quite a bit. Him and his own head wondering what the fuck he's doing, digging a hole. I can try that and see how it works. Yeah. Well, like he doesn't question it at first because he doesn't realize just how big this hole needs to be until dude comes out and he's like, that ain't gonna cut it. But I don't know, burying the... I think we'd be fine just doing... Him being told to dig the hole. He goes, he asked him where Cassidy went. It's like, we sent him out for the baking soda. We need you to... And he's like, I'm gonna go try and find him. He's like, no, I need you to dig a hole for me. And he's like, whatever. And then see how it happens naturally. Then we can always change it later. And I'm out there and he's digging and the day is getting longer and every time he thinks he's done, he'll try to be like, nope, that's not good enough. We need it bigger. And he's like, they're just fucking with me. And it's a constant, angry emotion, just building, building, building. And then, I don't know, maybe they sent him to his room and he happens to sneak out and see them, put the body. I don't know how you wanna do that. Do you want Shane to know what happens with the hole or do we wanna keep that secret? Like he could wake up in the middle of the night and look out the back window and see them. I think that I like it that there isn't 100% for sure. But the reader and Shane pretty much know what's going on. Like they've been giving enough clues, but never told. Right, yeah, I can manage that. Like it doesn't actually see it, but starting to put the clues together, I'm also wondering, because I'm fusing, they're dipping into your thing here and they're talking about, so me and Hunter went and seen Cooter just now. Now, with them having killed Cooter, do they want to even bring up Cooter's name? Or, because I haven't read much further in this. I think with Rita, Rita is kind of like, what the fuck you go over there for kind of deal. But I wrote that, I wrote it two different ways. I went back and changed it after I read some of your stuff. I'm not 100% sure what happens. But I know Rita's like, you're bullshit. And then tries the Coke, and then Bethany tries it. And they're like, oh, shit, this is the real deal. And then all conversation about Cooter just disappears. And I think that's what I was trying to do with that was have the conversation end without ending, without any answers. But yeah, maybe. Or have them say, so got the score as promised or whatever. And then he says something that makes Rita think that he was at Cooters. So he said, so you went to Cooters, and he's just, he's like, that's not what I'm saying. So he's like, everybody pretty much knows, he's talking about Cooter, but he doesn't come out and say it because Cooter's in the trunk. Yeah, what are we gonna do with Shivi? Are we even gonna tackle that? That's a good question too. It could, you wanna get dark, dark, it could be both of them. Like, you know, it could be two bags in the ground instead of just one. It's like, literally I could do something with looking out there, looking out the back window, and he sees them toss a bigger bag followed by a smaller bag in there. It's like, what the hell is that? We can't afford trash pickup now. They're burying trash. But Shane's smart also. So it's like, it can't be a body because one of them is one size, one of them is the other side. And if Cooter, I don't know, maybe we shouldn't mention Cooter at all. And that way, it'd be, you know. What was the surprise? Yeah, it'd be later on when Cassidy and Shane are on the phone. It'd be like, there's nobody at Shivi's house. Ain't seen Cooter, Shivi ain't been around. And then Shane can start piecing things together. It's like the big bag and the smaller bag. I think that would be a cool buildup. Not knowing what the fuck's in there. Knowing that it might be a body, Shane, you know, knows just hasn't put two and two together. We've already established that Cooter and Cooter sells drugs, right? Or is it just that his house isn't? Yeah, nope, and he's got guard dogs. Right, okay. So dogs, empty bowls, like Cassidy can bring up the things like the dogs are out there. I don't think they've been fed or watered because their bowls are empty. It could be any number of things. Like one of them got sick in the dish and no one ever cleaned it up or whatever. It's like, I haven't heard from Shivi. I haven't heard from Cooter. And that's when Shane, you know, puts everything together. It's like the big bag, small bag, like, oh shit. And it's like, dude, I think they're dead. I think they're buried in the backyard. And maybe another chapter, well, another phone call later on, Cassidy, I was like, I know you told me not to, but I dug up while everybody was asleep. I snuck out while everybody's asleep, I dug it up. And I got just the top layer off and pulled open the bag and it was a toe or some shit like that. I don't know, something along those lines. He finds out where they went or what happened to him. And then after that one, it would be radio silence. Like he would start missing phone calls after that one. So it can be a logical conclusion that, you know, Cassidy finally got caught or is in trouble or whatever. What about at the beginning? Or I just thought of an excuse to dig the hole. They get stuck. Okay. What if like, when he's asked to dig the hole, he's like, well, what do you need the hole dug for? And then Uncle Trab just says, Bruce is dead. You need to bury him. And there was no like, just very like, all of a sudden, what do you mean? Like the dog wasn't sick. Nobody's mentioned a thing. And so it's like- Yes, but also, and that could explain why he's okay with the smaller bag. He's like, okay, so they must be burying Bruce, but what the fuck is the big bag? Yeah, I like that. I'm sorry to cut you off, but I just- No, just yeah, that Uncle Trab, just looking for some kind of excuse and not being an animal lover or anything, but just being a P.O.S. Yeah, killed the dog. It's just kind of an escape goat. And this is why, yeah. Like he thinks that's being smart and you know, covering all his- Yeah, I like it. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. Truly creative, right? Okay, thanks Ishmael. Let's see here. Yeah, that's where I'm gonna pick up. And then when you ask him to dig it deeper, he's like, you know, the dog's not that big. I mean, it's like, you know, maybe like Ivers setters eyes, Kali, something like that. And maybe Golden Retriever. And he's like, well, yeah, but I don't, we don't want that thing stinking up the yard. Yeah. You know, more excuses and then the more- Yeah. The more Shane digs, he's like, ah, this is- This is ridiculous. Yeah, it's also gonna be building up in his head with the missing jewelry box. Every, they didn't send Cassidy out one more time to steal, so on and so forth. It just, everything is just building up. And then later that evening, he's gonna run into Shanna and that's gonna be it. He's gonna make the decision. So, yeah, yeah, let's, yeah, let's go. Let's go, let's go, let's go. But I'm wondering, how do you want him to come? I don't know why I'm stuck on this, but before we jump back into this, I'm probably gonna take a break too, but how do you want him to come across the carnival? That's the only thing that I don't see in my head. Do we want him to see a flyer or do we want him to just like stumble across it when he goes out? But why is he going out? You know, what is it? Right, right. My first thought was to have Cassidy be excited and bring home a flyer when he's out. But then it's like, well, that's kind of a dick move on Shane's part because he's going, he's leaving the dude behind. When he's the one that wanted to go in the first place. So, what if Cassidy takes too long? Nobody in the house gives a fuck, but Shane decides to leave anyways. He's already been digging this hole all day. Cassidy hadn't come back and he's getting worried about Cassidy and then we can have something like Cassidy had to go hide because he got caught again without Shane there. And so Shane, Shane goes out to find him without their permission. It's like, I'm going, you can't stop me. Kind of, I don't know, maybe you don't want to do that, but he goes out anyways without their permission to find him because he's been gone for hours and he hasn't been back. Nobody's noticed or would they know because he's only bringing back cutting materials. They're not going to be worried about that. It's not like he's bringing back drugs. And then so he goes out and as he's walking along, just kind of walking through the neighborhood and whatnot, he sees Cassidy coming toward him. And he's like, where the hell you been? He's like, I had to hide in a field for so many hours because I got caught shoplifting and there was cops everywhere, but they're off my tail now. Maybe something like that. Yeah, yeah, we can do that. And then he can see, oh, and then Cassidy can pull it out. And he goes, wouldn't it be cool to go something like this? I found this flyer while I was hiding. It was on a telephone pole out on the side of the road. Wouldn't this be cool kind of deal? So I don't know, something like that. I'll let it happen naturally, but I need to get, I'll definitely, I'm working on the whole next. So I'll get that going and see what a- I don't really like the idea of Cassidy knowing about the fare, really carnival. Okay, you don't like that idea. All right, that's fine. Just because I don't want Shane looking like the bad guy at all, like he's really ditching, you know? Yeah, he can see it. Like he can be walking to find Cassidy, Yeah, if he's going to look for Cassidy, the first place he's going to head toward is the store. Yeah, he's going to find the, yeah, he's going to find the flyer, tear it off, put it in his pocket or something. I just see it, acknowledge it, and then decide and go check this out later on, not mention it to anyone. He doesn't tell Cassidy because he doesn't want someone to ask Cassidy and Cassidy tell him where he went, that kind of thing. So yeah, okay, yeah, we'll do that. I agree with you. I don't like the idea of Cassidy knowing either because then he's definitely going to pull to go with him. And then where he's going to have a tag along, we don't need, let's see here. Okay, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and take a break. When I get back, I'm going to start, I'm going to jump into that. You want to share your stuff? It doesn't matter to me. It could also be brought up in conversation, no flyer at all. Somebody... Oh yeah, he could over here. Could mention it. Yeah, somebody over here. Someone's car radio. When he gets to the store, someone's got the window down in their car and it's an ad for the carnival being in town. It's like only one night left or whatever. Something like that. We can do that. Any number of things. I'll just see what happens to Ashley when I get in there. I'll be back guys. Okay, okay, I'm back. All right. I'm going to headache. You want me to share mine? Oh, you're on the phone, nevermind. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. It's not like you're hooked up to a blood pressure monitor. No, my sister just tried calling the phone and the phone wouldn't go through so I'm calling her back, but I don't know what the deal is. My phone sucks. I got a cheap phone, man. I just don't, I don't see that. I got a Mac, I got a computer, I got a PC, I got a laptop. I don't see the sense in spending. My son just dropped $1,000 on a phone and I'm just like, what are you doing? Yeah, my wife's that type of person and I have a $49.99 phone. She got a $1,700 Google Pixel or whatever it's called, the high-end jokers. And mine was literally the free phone, but if I had bought it, it would have been $49.99. I got it, I just got like an Android Samsung. Same here. I got a... I mean, it's not like a flip phone or anything, but it's, I don't need to, you know, run a business on my phone or something. Funny part for me is I also have the expensive PC setup, the laptops, all that stuff, but I spend the majority of my time on my phone, which is the cheapest device I have in the entire house. I don't have, most people who contact me is through, except for like family and friends locally. It's usually like on Facebook. So I rarely get texts, like I get texts from you, my brother sometimes, Hunter Shea and the guys from Final Guys and a couple, you know, a couple like that. So other than that, man, and I suck at texting like my thumbs, like my kids are just like lightning speed and every word is correct. And I'm just like, I'm slow at it. And then I have to go back and fix like 20 words before I send the text. So I just, I don't hardly do anything on my phone. We are completely different in that aspect. I use speech to text. So you get a text message from me is usually full of errors just because by the time I like sit down with my phone, I'm tired of typing. So I just use speech to text. And then I hit send without even reading it. And then I'll go back and like, I'll put asterisks. I'll rewrite whatever typo it is. And then I'll put an asterisk by it. But it has made some hilarious errors over the years. And I really should read my stuff before I hit send. And the biggest, and this has nothing to do with speech to text, but I got really fat thumbs and typing, that's another reason why you speech to text. This is a big reason why I use it. So as we all know, the N and the B are right next to each other on a keyboard, even on your phone's keyboard. And I was on Twitter and I was typing, I tried to be the bigger man, but instead of typing B, I typed N and I hit send. Yeah, I deleted it before anybody saw it, but I almost had a fucking stroke, dude. I literally almost had like my vision tunneled. And I was like, delete, delete, delete the fuck. And that still haunts me to this day that someone saw it and someone screenshot it before I got it down. But it was like, maybe not even three seconds because it posted and I saw it. It like, I hyper-focused on that. And I was like, what the fuck? And then it almost happened again a couple months later, but I caught it before I hit send. So I should know better than to, you know, just click send automatically, but I do it anyways. Sorry, go ahead. I think my most memorable typo like that is, it wasn't really a typo, but I was like 25 years ago, I had this magazine and I would get fan mail and people would, this was back when, I don't even think my space was out yet, but AOL, instant messenger and stuff, that's what I had. And I had like this following for the magazine and yeah, I would get like fan mail and stuff and met a lot of people online that loved the magazine and there was this one chick, her name was Kat, I think, with a K and she, we were talking and she had sent some pictures or something because I had a website and it had pictures of some of the readers and stuff because sometimes I'd get these cool like horror or punk rock pictures because magazine cover punk stuff and horror stuff. And so they would send cool pictures and stuff and I would turn part of the website into like this gallery almost like it's own little Instagram. And so I got to know this chick through that and we were talking on AOL, I am one day and I guess I didn't know, I forgot who I was talking to because I think you could have more than one window up at a time, I think, and then just click on whatever window and we're talking and I said, and I think she was taking off or leaving and I said, I love you instead of thing. And I saw that I had done it and I just stared at it. I didn't know what to do, I kind of like started to panic and I'm like, frick, what do I do? And then all of a sudden really it pops up and she goes, oh my gosh, I love you too, I just feel so connected to you. And I was like, oh my gosh. And I said, I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to type that. And yeah, I didn't talk to her too much after that. And she came back and expressed her feelings too and he was like, I didn't mean it, I'm sorry. I almost would have rather she'd been like, what are you talking about, you know? And rather than have her guts like that. A hundred percent, man, that's awkward as hell. The funniest typo I have ever been a part of. I did not write it, but I was editing something for someone and I got to this part and it's a futuristic story and they have hover crafts and hover bikes, whatever. And this lady is in a hover, on a hover bike and she's going along and she hits an air pocket or whatever the hell it was in the book. And what she wrote is one of the most unintentionally hilarious lines I have ever read in this otherwise very clean manuscript. It said, a sudden shit plastered me to my seat. And I'm thinking, okay, she got scared and blew out her back door or whatever and now she's plastered to the seat. But the more I thought about it, the more I was like, what the fuck? Like there's nothing else in this book has been vulgar. So I make this note and I'm like, hey, you might want to consider, now I'm not, I love foul language, don't get me wrong. You might want to consider either adding more cussing so that we're prepared like two thirds into the book for this random gruesome scene where she shit herself and she's plastered to the seat. You might want to add more vulgar humor or maybe rewrite this section. Like three days, full three days. And before that, I was hearing back from her probably every couple hours or whatever. The full three days goes by. She comes back and she said, I'm sorry, I'm so embarrassed. It's supposed to say shift with an F. And it just didn't occur to me that that's what she was trying to say. And boy, we laughed. Still to this day, I'll talk to her and we were like, how's that sudden shit? Yeah, that's one of the funniest ones I've ever from La Crosse because it worked contextually. It just didn't fit the rest of the narrative. So I was perfectly fine leaving it but I was like, here, throw some more vulgar shit in there or maybe cut this one back and don't say shit. I was in an anthology with a very popular author. And I was reading, I normally don't read the anthologies that I'm in, but very rarely, but this one I was and I was reading their story. And in there it said, in this book had been published now and I was reading my contributors copy and there was a line in there that said they were trying to do some like metaphor. And it was like, it was so like black, it was like and then it just said like, there were like eight capital Xs. And I was like, I was like, oh man, dude, did what I do. And they're like, I'll come back to this later. And so I contacted the publisher who was like a kind of a friend of mine or at least an acquaintance. And I said, hey man, I think you forgot to get the rest of his wordage here. And I guess I should have guessed because this particular author really, really likes to think outside the box. And sure enough, it was purposeful and it was essentially a, there are no words the blink cannot be filled kind of thing. Wow. Okay. And it sounds pretentious, it doesn't work at all but that's what they were going for. I have a, I have one. Like it was so black that X, X, X, X, X. That's, yeah, that definitely, no matter how I think about that, if I read that it would be an error. Yeah. It would be something like that. Yeah. I think the only thing experimental I've actually done with words like that is for Richard Punch, I had a character in there that is very, very urban and every other word was the N word. And I didn't feel comfortable typing it out but that's just how the character spoke. So I would literally put N with like four dashes. So like two M dashes right together for each, for every time he said it. And I also did that for other slurs in the book but yet I had cussing and everything else in there trying to give the, it was like, this is not important. That's the only thing that I've ever done that was experimental with like exercising a word and using something different because I didn't want that to be the focus but that was also the character development for that individual. Like it was important that they spoke that way because it was realistic. And then, you know, every other slur in the book is the same way. And I got a review from Beard, a well-read Beard that said, he's the only one who's ever pointed it out. Of course it was very limited release through my Patreon but he's the only one that pointed out. And he said, I think I understand why he did it because that wasn't the focus. He didn't want people focusing on the hateful stuff. And that's why there's cuss words and everything in there but he censored all of the slurs. And that's a hundred percent. Richard Punch is a story that takes place over 15 minutes about a guy getting punched in the dick. And it's the immediate onset of the pain all the way through, you know, how long it goes up into our stomach and then it lasts about 10, 15 minutes. So I wanted to encapsulate this entire novella in that one 15 minute time frame and everything that's happening. And the point of the piece, it's complete literary fiction. It's very character oriented. There's really no plot to speak of. And it bounces around to each one of these people that are surrounding the man who's been hit in the dick. And it's going around to each one of their heads and showing the viewpoint. And what I was trying to get across and I think Beard caught onto it was, you know everybody has their different ways of looking at things and trying to everybody. It was my attempt to bring everyone in that circle together to have some kind of common theme. And I thought any of the slurs that would have been put popped into people's heads or that were said aloud would take away from that. So, you know, it's like unity, even though people talk a certain way and they have to be able to talk a certain way it's still that section is about unity about people coming together and finding the common thread. Cause there's a guy in the crowd that has on a MAGA hat and the only reason he has a MAGA hat on is cause his mom recently passed away and she was a, she was a Trumper and she wore it and he himself was a liberal but he would keep the hat, you know because it reminded and he didn't give a fuck what anybody thought of him either. So I had a character like that. I had an old lady who didn't consider herself racist but everything that came out of her mouth was racist. And then I had basically all the stereotypes I could think of. You had the black dude who every other word was the N word then you had a black girl who ran the bookshop that was in that where the guy got punched in front of and then you have, there's a little bit of a romance between the bookstore girl and the black dude where they make a connection cause you got this big group of white people they're the only two black people. Anyways, but it just, it felt, it felt right to write it like to get the dialogue right but at the same time I wasn't going to write that word over and over and over again. And on top of that, it was important for me to have another side of the story like my wife can't stand the word. She doesn't use it. She doesn't like it when her family uses it she can't fucking stand the word. So I was playing off that too where the girl's like, you know you really shouldn't say that all the time. And he's like, yeah, whatever man, you know that kind of shit. But that's the most experimental thing I've ever done with words, but I think that is a huge mistake on their part for leaving that in because no matter how you think about it it's like I was talking about the other day where some people write like the first two numbers of a year and then put a dash to make it timeless. It always feels like an error to me. It always feels like they were supposed to go back and fill that in. So that definitely had I seen, you know all those X's I would have been like they fucked up and forgot to put the word he wanted to put in there or something or a printing error or whatever it might be. I think I just got a one star for using the N word. I still read all my reviews and I don't care what anybody says. It doesn't bother me. One stars don't bother me. And once in a while on a five star or a one star sometimes they look at the profile and if the person who gave me five stars if everything they've read is a five star it makes me feel like a crap like oh geez. Yeah they love everything. Yeah I don't feel so special. And just one star I clicked and I was like, okay, what do you like? You know, because this is for how the skin sheds. And I saw that nothing else was getting one star. So I looked at their books. I typed in my name to see if they'd have ever read me before. This is something I do all the time but for some reason I just decided I wanna do this because they never said anything in their review or in their rating. I'm good reads. And they had read nine of my books and every single one of my books except for this one all five stars and a couple of four stars. And so yeah I can't help it. I was like, this is either. They didn't actually write the review. You don't know why they gave me the one star. It might also, it's for the Western, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it's also a book that people are saying it's the best thing I've written but it does have the N words sprinkle throughout and 11 year old girls raped off screen. And I handle it tactically just like the pair of white. No sense in having that all. So it's either the rape or the, I mean it's brutal too. You know. It could very well be a matter of none of those things are typical Lutzky. I mean, none of those things. The brutal assault, the, I guess gore. The only thing I've read of yours that was like truly violent was Cannibal Creator. And that's like an outlier too. I considered him outlier anyway. That's not something I ever thought I'd read from Chad Lutzky. That's, you know, it's just not something that I thought I'd see. And then, you know, it could also, it's a Western but I mean, if you know what you're getting yourself into with that cover. So I'm not sure it a, yeah, but a. Yeah, it could be the Western thing. I don't know though, I don't know. It's funny that you mentioned that you're bringing up literally my video for my video for, what is it? Friday, the 11th. So yeah, tomorrow is unsolicited advice. Why I suggest only reading negative reviews. And you're, what you said was, you know, you going and checking out the person who reviewed their profile. Like not in a stalkery weird way but just seeing what else they liked. I actually mentioned that in doing that in that video which is if you're gonna follow someone's reviews, if you're gonna look for certain reviews you wanna make sure that you are going over to their other books and finding out what they like and they do like and they don't like. And then when you go over there if you guys have the exact opposite their negative reviews can help you find good books. And that's one of the things that I said. So it's just funny that you bring that up in my video tomorrow is all about that. That's cool. I look forward to watching that. Yeah. Like I said, those reviews don't bother me. If they talk about something, I can learn something. You know, that maybe people who are being biased just because I love all my stuff that maybe I need to pay attention to. I think the only, there are two reviews actually that I did not appreciate and they were both for the same book. Have you read Stirring the Sheets? Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, one was like from a very outspoken feminist standpoint I'm so tired of men thinking they can do whatever they want with women kind of thing. And then the other one was a more reason. Oh, you told me about that one because we were both saying like obviously they didn't read the fucking book. No, this is probably the, no, this is a different one, which I've just got me a five years. I think we talked about both of these. Go ahead and continue on. Cause I think you talked about it. Yeah. Well, the feminist one was actually from a YouTuber that I'm sure you're probably familiar with, but I don't think she's given me another chance since then. Yeah. And the one that you're probably referring to is the one where they kept making references about how this man was raping this body. And if you read every other thing it tells you if you've been having reservations about reading this cause you think it's about necrophilia there is absolutely no necrophilia in here. There's nothing, you know and she's like this guy's raping bodies and we don't know if it's he just likes to rape dead bodies or if it's and it's like, how are you talking about? There's a very specific reason why he has any. Yeah. I don't even want to call it an attraction why he chooses this particular body to try and fill a non-sexual void in his life. It's a beautiful story. It really fucking is a beautiful story. Thanks. Yeah. That's the only one that really pissed me off because the whole review was just nothing but lies. I find this hilarious because I believe I said in my review, my written review but it's probably it's gone now cause it was over on Goodreads and I've killed that name but I believe what I said either it was in my video review one or the other it doesn't matter but I remember I remember going into it expecting that and then at some point in time I was a little I don't want to say disappointed but it was I can understand that. I was shocked that it didn't go there. I think it was one of the first but I was after I read Skullface Boy so I wasn't entirely sure what you were capable of. As far as how far you would go. So I wanted to read something that seemed like it was going to be pushing the boundaries and I tried, I got into that. I was like, that's not what this is about at all but I still fucking love it. Like it's, I think we get too hung up on our expectations for things. And I find I found myself especially recently going, just let it play out. Let it, because also I've seen all these stupid stories of people flipping out about authors thinking that an author thinks or feels a certain way because something happens early on in the book only to come to find out after they DNF it that it is explained completely by the end. It's like that's not how someone acts or that's not how someone would do this or whatever. And then by the end, you come to find out that that's exactly the point that it wouldn't occur like that or whatever. And another thing that drives me nuts is the men writing women Twitter. It used to be hilarious because they would look at the context of the situation in a book and they would post stuff that was really terrible. Like, you know, like the famous line about John Updike in Witches of Eastwick where he said women's plumbing and reproductive organs, all that stuff is like a labyrinth and it takes them forever to pee because it has to travel through this labyrinth team system or whatever. Obviously that's stupid. It's incorrect. But then Haruki Mitakami won like worst sex scene of all time for, I think it was 1Q84. And what people fail to realize in context is it's supposed to be a bad sex scene. It's supposed to be awkward. It's supposed to be weird. It's not supposed to be erotic. And I wish more people would understand that just because there is a sex scene in the book between consenting adults, it does not mean that it's meant for you to get your rocks off. You know, some of these things- Oh, I've had plenty of bad sex. We all have. Yes, but what I'm saying is also that's the point of the, in the context, they didn't show the paragraph above it or the paragraph beneath it. They just showed the sex scene. And before that, he sets up how awkward and uncomfortable they are with each other's bodies and it just gets worse and worse and worse. And then by the end of it, they're like, okay, well, we're never doing that again because that was the most awkward, worst experience of our lives. Yet they just crop that. And I love that Twitter account for the longest time, but then they just crop that and ever since then they've been reaching for content. They've been reaching and picking stuff off. And here I am. I've read some terrible shit from women that I don't, you know, I try to bring it up every time I see this stuff because the Sisters of Slaughter have one of the funniest lines I've ever read as far as anthropomorphizing body parts. His penis lay depressed and dejected on his nuts. It's like a penis cannot be, everybody's mad about the personification of women's boobs, you know, or whatever their physical attributes is. And here we have two women, whichever one it might have been, think that a penis can be dejected and depressed. It's like the dick is limp. There's nothing deeper about it. The dick is not hard. It's just gonna lay there. What the fuck is going on? I don't understand. Anyways, but we all fuck up. Men tend to write sex worse because they write from male point of view and then women come along. And there's always that divide that we're both looking for something different when it comes to sexual relationships. And if a dude gets it wrong, fine, but at least put the context for the rest of the scene without trying to reach. And that's what a lot of people do nowadays, especially with social media. They see that certain things are popular and then they start mining things that are innocent so that they can cause more drama. And I cannot stand that shit at all. And I'm saying that as a fan of that Twitter account because I thought that shit was hilarious before they just started pulling shit out of their ass that made no sense. I don't subscribe to any of that. I know that some people do, but to any of that, you know, write what you know and guys shouldn't write this or people shouldn't write this, it's fiction. It's not a self-help book that's teaching you how to be a woman. It's just fiction. And if a woman or a person that is a white guy and a black guy wants to write me, who am I to like all of a sudden act like we're all in the same box. We're all very, very different people. And a black guy is perfectly capable of doing very outlandish, wild things that another black person has never met anybody that does these kind of things. Exactly. Yeah. Just like Jeffrey Dahmer was a gay cannibal. I'm not saying that, you know, if he never existed but yet I wrote about and I created fictionally that character, I'm not saying gay people eat people. Right. No. We're all very, as a human race, we're all very capable of being, we are individuals and we're all very capable of doing very bizarre things despite race, color or gender. Yeah. Like I said in my let fiction be fiction video, it's like, I guarantee you, if it is humanly possible someone has tried it. No matter what sex, gender, any of that stuff, race, creed, religion, any of that stuff, someone has tried something if it is humanly possible. Like if there's something on this earth that will fit in your body, someone has put it in an orifice at some point in time, even stuff that's not supposed to fit. You know, it's, I don't know. It boggles my mind, especially when I read reviews like this would never happen, no one would do this. And unfortunately I've been guilty of saying that in the past, I've since stopped but because I didn't even understand why I was saying knowing damn well that there's some freaky shit out there that people have done. I mean, there's a whole rotten.com is full of or I don't even know if it still exists but it's got everything you could possibly think of. And there's other websites that aren't on like the Torr browser, the dark web that you can find just on the regular internet that have the most awful shit humanity has ever done. I think the most disturbing thing I ever saw this video is definitely getting demonetized. But anyways, I think the most disturbing thing I ever saw was there was this lady, she's bent over, she's on the back of her neck. So this is the back of her neck in the shower and her ass is up and kind of leaning over and she's spraying fecal matter up and it's raining down into her face. I think that's the most disturbing shit. I, no pun intended, the most disturbing shit I've ever seen in my life. It's like, why would you set yourself up? Why would you take a picture, do something like that? And then I see reviews that say no woman would ever sleep with this dude or something like that. And it's like, I promise you, there is a woman out there right now reading that same book going, I love this guy and I would take him to Poundtown in an instant. I promise you. Yeah, for sure. And there are a lot of people who, you could tell they very specifically are searching for something. Almost all of my reviews for the pale white by women say something like, can't believe a guy wrote this or he handled sexual assault and women, cause it's first person from a sexual assault survivor. And it's for a guy to write that is very touchy. Most of the reviews will say that it was handled perfectly well or I nailed it or something like that. But you can always tell the one person who's like, oh, this is written by a guy? Yeah, we'll see about that. And so they're searching for little things that they personally can't identify with or how they would have handled. That's why the three girls have three different reactions to their assault, which is how would, I know plenty of people have been assaulted. Some girls, the tiniest little instance in their life ruins their whole life. And then you've got this girl who is darn near trafficked and she's doing fine. That, you know, the trauma response is not one and the same. And everybody is very different. And that's what that book is about is each individual dealing with their own trauma and trying to be free when they are trying to find freedom after they've been set free. And yeah, you can just tell who's, I mean, it's just searching, like the people who write Eric Loracca's, you know, I'm so tired of cis white men writing or the Stephen Graham Jones. I'm tired of white men writing about Indians. It's like... I still love that review. I love every time he shares it. And then he usually shares it with a picture of himself right next to the review. And that shit, that just tickles me every time I see it. But I mean, I've seen every Trump from sexual assault, I've seen every trauma response to completely shutting down from the world to going out and being the biggest nymphomaniac, you know, humanly possible, because that's what they equate with love, you know, is that that physicality. You know, there's a... The book that really changed my perspective and it was a book. So, I mean, if you're one of those people out there listening right now that think, you know, that we're wrong, that you, you know, not everyone has tried everything. There's a book called Precious that was written by Sapphire. And the grown woman has been molested all of her life by her father. And there is a scene in there where she enjoys the sex. And this is written by a woman, probably maybe based on her own experience or whatever, but everyone was so appalled by that, that she would enjoy it. And to take advantage of this incestuous relationship to get her rocks off kind of deal is pretty much how it's written. Like, I might as well enjoy it. And that really got to me. But at the same time, I looked at it and I was like, there's got to be someone out there like that. You know, if... There's a lot. I know. I know. But ever since then, it's like opened my eyes and I've seen some really fucked up. There's a dude in, I can't remember, there's a state, there's several states that incest is in a crime in America. And there's this dude who moved there and took his daughter, who was 11 at the time. And now she's an adult, they have a consensual sexual relationship. And now they live, I can't remember if it's Connecticut or where it is. But watching that break down, they're on TikTok. And he literally just, he'll answer questions from people is like, there's nothing wrong with this. We're both human beings. It's disturbing as fuck that it's even allowed. But I mean, it's not like he's showing what they're doing. He's just talking about it. And whether it's sensationalism or not, that it just adds more credence to if we can do it as a... If it's possible, someone out there has done it. Someone out there has enjoyed it. And also it's that one thing, it's one of the oldest sayings we have, which is one man's trash is another man's treasure. Everybody's different. Everybody looks at things differently. And I'm just tired of fiction being used against the author as if that has to be their point of view that has to be their standpoint. They have to feel that way because I am, I don't know, I might not be, but I am probably the most leftist liberal person. I don't know, maybe that you know. Like I'm the anarchist. One of my best friends is very, very far left. We agree on absolutely nothing. Okay, all right. So, but anyway. I'm not saying I'm far right. I'm just saying that... No, no, I get you. But all I'm trying to say is with me, I wrote South of here. I don't condone any of the shit that James says in that book. He says some awful fucking shit, awful, terrible stuff. And it is, and that's another reason why I didn't write it in First Person because it was already obvious that this person is not someone's head that I wanna be in. But I still wanted his deep reactions to things. But writing him was so much fun. Getting in there and making him as despicable as possible and then one-upping him by the people around him to a point where people will end up liking him even though he has these terrible thoughts and ideas and plans and focuses and all this stuff that there is always much, much worse than what you see than who you're experiencing. There's far worse out there. And once again, that theme is back South of here. No matter who you are, there's someone willing to go lower than even you. There is no limit to the depths of our depravity. Anyways, I don't think that, like I know what you're saying and I disagree with the whole reader associating the book with the author and their viewpoint. However, there is a gray area in that for me and that is like, let's say South of here, that's all you wrote. You had like 15 South of here's. At that point, I would, and that's sometimes, I see some of these extreme authors and it's like, every book is just rape, rape, this rape, that's like, you're trying to tell me you're not, your mind is not, if you're writing one story, like Duncan Ralston wrote womb and then he moved on and he wrote a bunch of other stuff that wasn't even close to that. That seems normal to me. But if you're writing womb part 15, you are, that's saying a lot about you. But there's also the camp of... Unless you're doing it for money because womb the first one just took off and it's your cash in. I was just about to go there because that's what Richard Layman had a problem with. Back then for some odd reason, and even Dean Coontz has talked about this in why he doesn't put sexual assault in his books anymore. Back then, when Coontz and Layman were good friends and they were churning out books like, two or three, sometimes four books a year, they were, the publishers were having them add in rape and all different kinds of stuff. And the reasoning for it is because it was the, you got what, Last House on the left and all this other, the cinema and everything where it's not glorified, but people are going to see it. And of course the mindset for some odd reason is like, people are going to see it because it's, they like watching it or whatever. But with, what happened with him is he doesn't, well he didn't, sorry, I still talk about him in the present tense. He was nothing like that. He was a very sweet, kind man, did everything. He'd do anything for anybody. And he was pressured into adding, the sexualizing everything, adding a lot of sexual assault and all that stuff. So while I agree with what you're saying, it also depends on the timeframe because sometimes if you write, he's got 20, 30 books at least, every single one of them in a row, all of them have sexual assault. So it's, once again, there's still no telling if someone is writing, and I get what you're saying, it does feel a little creepier if that's all they're doing is womb part 23 at this time. But at the same time, yes, there is, like you said, there's the money aspect of it. What is selling? I'm mainly talking about, I'm not talking about career authors. I'm talking about people who you could, yeah, and they might be bringing in a couple of books, but ultimately, this is a hobby. You're not making that much money to. Right, right. You clearly know by now that your, this extreme stuff that you're doing, the rapey stuff is not paying the bills. So it's what you usually write, unless it comes to money, people often write about just what the appeals to them. Unfortunately. If that is what they're writing over and over and over again. Then I do, I can't help but start to wonder, you know, what do you got, what do you got inside you? I wanted to, before I forget, I wanted to tell you that Talking Scared podcast, I'd never listened to it before, but they just nabbed the Stephen King interview and it's available and listened to right now. And it's a great interview. Cool. And I thought you would like it because it talks about a lot of stuff. I think you would find interesting and including that scene in it. It talks about for a while. Okay. I'm gonna email myself just so I don't forget. Yeah, it's about an hour long. And yeah, it's informative. And I kept, you kept popping in my head. I can't remember anything specifically, but you would talk about something and I'm like, I bet you would love to hear this, including future projects. Okay. Who started this? Who started this distraction? Someone asked a question? I don't know. I don't even remember. It's way up here. If it was, I don't think it, I think it was just us going down like a natural rabbit hole. I think that's what you said. Probably. That's all that was. I was trying to find somebody else to blame. Yeah, I know. That's all right. This can be the lost episode. No, just kidding. No, I don't think anybody's gonna have any problems because most people know us. Everybody who watches these videos is well versed in us, whether it be our work or our personas. So, I had to run off to the restroom. I'll be right back. Hey, Hailey. Hello, Hailey. Sorry, everybody. Found a Chalky-Terry board. The Music Hailey is a, somebody I know shared, it's an 11 hour stream of Noir LA Dark Jazz Radio. I thought I'd write to it. It's funny because some of it sounds like horror movie music and you over there clicking away sounds like someone trying to get out of like, they've been buried alive and someone's trying to get out of a coffin. So, it's a very atmospheric for, I mean, it doesn't work with what we're writing but it's very atmospheric. Right now it reminds me, this particular song reminds me of The Gold Room in Stanley Hotel. I don't know how much you can hear it, but. I hear like bits and pieces of it different now and again, but it fits. Hey, you gotta get that, do you got Xbox or PlayStation? I actually have, we have every console generation in the house, but right now, anyways, I have access to them all. But right now the X, no, sorry, the series S is in my oldest room and then there's the PlayStation up front. We got to switch. Yeah, so I have access to all of them, but what do you? A week from tomorrow, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre game comes out. Ah, cool. The only thing I don't have is a good gaming PC but I'm working on that. For reasons I've talked about and many money's are tied as fuck now, but I am interested in that one. I'm very interested in it. If you've got an Xbox Game Pass, I think that's being released on Game Pass. Oh, okay, cool. We have access to that. So I'm gonna definitely, I can't wait. I saw a trailer for it, it looks good. It looks like, I don't know if you've played the, have you played the Friday the 13th game? Yeah, I played that one, I played the Evil Dead one and I played Dead by Daylight. They're all pretty much the same, the same build. Other than with Ash, the Evil Dead game, you get weapons, whereas in Dead by Daylight, you don't in, you, if you unlock Tommy, you unlock a rifle in Friday the 13th, but I haven't played that nearly as much as I've played like Dead by Daylight and Evil Dead. Okay, I've only played Friday the 13th. That game is cool. This looks like it might be, it looks like you could be like either one of the Sawyers or you can be like one of the victims. Sounds cool. Yeah, it's the same way in all the rest of the games. You can either be the, like in Evil Dead, you can be a dead, well, if you die, you become a dead. And in Dead by Daylight, you can choose one, you can't choose, it's like a roll of the dice, whether or not, I think, maybe not. I think you can choose now, whether you want to be the bad guy or the, you want to be the slasher or the people or the victims. But I think when it first started out, it was a roll of the dice, what you got. But it's the same thing with Friday the 13th, you can be Jason too. I think it's far more fun being the killer than it is running away. I like them both because if you get tired of one, you can, you know, but you like the game, you can hold different mechanics playing the other thing. Keep running the wrong hole. You're talking about vagina but who are you talking about? H-O-L-E and W-H-O-L-E. But the latter, Chad. The latter. Good resist. Yeah, I know. The page is done. Dang it. With your layering and everything and adding more and all that stuff. Yeah, I'm going to leave that where I have it. See what you like, see what you don't like. It's noon and we got to go grocery shopping. Probably going to do another 30 minutes if you want to. I don't have anything to write but if you want to talk before we go. Yeah, okay. Basically what I've done is I wrote the entire digging scene probably going to need some expansion. Some of the stuff is a very almost like stream of consciousness because he gets hit one point at a time. So he's become kind of repetitive and whatnot. Somehow I'm on my feet and back in the hole. Neeper, crab said deeper. I dig deeper. I dig until the lift of the grave. It's not a grave, it's not. It's level with my shoulders. I haven't been to the doctor since a year before mom died and I'm grown considerably in that time. So I have no idea how tall I am but I'm pretty sure I'm over five foot something. Surely five feet is deep enough. Do I keep digging? I keep digging. Every shovel full weighs as much as the whole wide world, but I've carried heavier things. So this is where my mind was at with that section. So you're not like, why the hell does he keep on repeating himself? Cause he's probably got a fucking concession. That's gotta be at least a thousand words. Four fucking days, well, probably three and a half but to go up and read some of those shit. As soon as I scroll up, the first thing I see is porn star eyes but it's got the hyphen in there. Anybody know the M-dash? I was like what the fuck was that with Ross? I'm in a corner of the town but he's missing that. Boy, I was just about to do the same fucking thing and he'll add me. I was literally just about to change the act of ain't and here you come. You were supposed to be up there working. Fuck off. No shit. Get your fucking hand out of there, man. No. Anyways. One of the dogs is in trouble now. Here's to you, baby Dwayne. Oh my God. He's watching every moment here and every bounce. Bad sound. Yeah. All right. Good shit. Good shit. And I know you'll be working in the background too and I'll probably end up jumping into it more. I'm rounding the final curve in this novelette. I'm writing. Once I did that, done. I'm back to this almost wholeheartedly. So I'll be able to work with, all I'm saying is I'll have more time to work on it off camera is what I'm getting there. Okay. So it's gonna be ramping up here pretty quick. Another thing is I wanna make sure that it's all right that I'm going so far ahead. I wanna make sure that we're on this, the same page kinda. I want you to be able to write some of these scenes yourself or if you're just comfortable doing what we've been doing, if you're happy, I'm happy. I don't care one way or another. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna say I'm tallying. Tallying. We gotta be over 12. Yeah. We're at 13,651. So we've got in about 1,600 words today. Yeah. No, no, no. 2,600? I wrote a lot. So, I mean, I wrote, yeah, I wrote several. I think I wrote more this morning than I actually did during the session. Yeah. And we also spent like an hour chatting, so. Yeah. It's a really good day. Talking to me about stuff. Yeah. The Neon Demon soundtrack is awesome too. I don't know why I thought you were talking about Neon Owl. I mean, I read Demon three times, but I was like, Chad, you have a Neon Owl soundtrack? Not yet. Who was it? Someone put a track list in the back of their book and the songs that they listened to. I thought I wrote and listened, I thought I listened to weird stuff when I was writing certain scenes, but nothing on this dude's playlist felt right for anything that was in the book. And I'm weird in the, with how I do it, because if I'm writing a very heartfelt scene that's full of emotion and passion or whatever, I'll listen to something like Slipknot or Slayer or something like that, something hard. And it makes those scenes come out interesting. Whereas when I am writing something that's supposed to be action or gory or violent or whatever, I'll listen to shit like Adele or Tom Waits, something very smooth. And that's so I can add the heart into the brutality or whatever's going on. I can have it, it lends. It's like, okay, don't forget to keep this at a human level. But yeah, this is one guy, it was almost like a folk horror book and he had some rap songs in there, some very recent rap stuff and a couple other things. It's just none of it fit, not a damn thing fit. And I was like, it's odd that you shared that because it would be extremely hard to read your book while listening to this track list, especially the rap songs. I can't write or listen to rap at all. I get too hyper focused on the words. Now something like Cannibal Corpse or Metallica or something like that I can play in the background. Same with Adele and Tom Waits, but for the most part, I can ignore it. But if it's something that it focuses entirely on the, unlike the rhythm of the words, that's what I get stuck on is the rhythm of the words. And then I'm singing in my head and I'm writing what I'm singing and it's a mess. And I'll be listening entirely to Tom Waits when we get to the carnival. It's just his music is carnival music. It's nomadic, Roma, folk, folky, all that stuff. He is the soundtrack to every carnival I've ever been to. Even if they don't play his music, it's all of it fits. Yeah, I can't hardly listen to it if you guys lyrics. Yeah, I know a lot of people like that. I used to be like that too, but now I can, the more I know, this is the funny part. The more I know a song, the more I can ignore it. If I've heard a song a hundred times and it has lyrics that I enjoy, I can usually just ignore it because my brain isn't processing what they're saying. It doesn't have to process because I already know what they're saying. But if I'm listening to something like I haven't listened to before, something I don't know the lyrics to, I haven't memorized, then I end up focusing on the lyrics because I don't know them. So it's weird. I'm the complete opposite. If I'm familiar with it, I'm anticipating the next riff. I'm anticipating lyrics, melodies, and I'm more into it, even if it's something I've heard a zillion times. But if it's something that has lyrics that I'm not familiar with, part of me is still listening and judging whether I like the song or not. But most of my attention is on what I'm doing and I'm using the mood of something that I'm not familiar with. Just like if I'm watching a movie and a song I know comes on, I'm like, oh, I know that song. And then I think more kind of about the song and how cool it fits. But then if I don't know the song, it's more like background for what I'm watching because I'm not familiar with it. Yeah, it's complete opposite. Complete opposite. Thanks, Haley, appreciate it. This is gonna grow considerably in the next week or so because we're really getting into the meat and potatoes of the story and it's just gonna blow right by. I have a feeling we might end up more than 65,000. As I'm just sitting here, I always calculate like how much we still have to do and what we have been able to put in there so far with the word count that we have, it might end up being 75 or 80. But then we have to go back and clean it up, take out anything repetitive, take out all that stuff. It might shrink more in a second draft. I don't know. So this is our ninth video but only our sixth one writing. Seventh. Because we had two videos that was brainstorming and outlining and then we started the third one. So three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Yeah, seven episodes of writing. So we've been writing about 2,000 words in episode. Yeah, and like I said, it's gonna get, I keep wanting to say it's gonna get much worse but that's not what I mean. It's gonna get much quicker because I'm finally settling into the flow and the routine of working with you every day. It takes me about a week to get into a new routine and I'm there now because I just blew out that entire section really nonstop. It's just, I knew exactly where I was going and I know where we're going after this. So if nothing else, I can make a foundation or a frame for you to build on and that's just gonna make it. All I'm saying is what I've said over and over again. It's gonna get much quicker starting, well, starting today. Like I said, we already, we wrote 2,600 today. We added 2,600 anyways and it's just gonna get better. I don't know why I keep thinking more and say worse. It's getting worse, Chad. I hate every minute of it. I think once we get to the carnival, we will have to come out with some kind of... Because because it's so open and random encounters, people that we're meeting, we probably have to buckle down a little bit. I was thinking, otherwise we could both just go crazy and then all of a sudden it's like, well, you know, with all these different characters. That's kind of, okay. Hear me out. It's kind of what I was hoping for and why I say that is because it would tonally, it would work. He goes from the monotony, the daily routine, the horrible situation, this enclosed almost claustrophobic feeling of being stuck in this house and having that monotony and that routine and everything being so bad, that when he gets to the carnival, those first, like I would say upward of maybe 10 chapters would just be him having random encounters, you know, and us going off and doing our own thing that really has no point other than to build the characters that he's interacting with. So I kind of like the idea that when we get there, it's kind of chaos and open world-ish and that he's, all these new experiences are coming together, you know, and he's like, this is almost like mom's back or whatever it might be. This is a place of freedom. And, you know, I also want to really play off of him doing certain things and expecting to get in trouble for them and not getting in trouble for them. Just because he's been programmed living with Travis and Rita for so long, that every little thing is a fucking slight. Every thing is like, you know, is going to make them mad. And he goes from that to this complete open world, this freedom where he's completely free to be himself. He's got to find, I don't want to get deep, like he has to find himself. That's not really what I'm saying. It's more like, you know, it's coming of age. You know, it's him learning how the world works outside of this hellhole because he only has the small insular experience of the happy times with his mother. And then he has the insular experience of the bullshit he dealt with at the Charles house. And then he gets to this carnival and all bets are off. He's able to do and say and go wherever the fuck he wants to, as long as, you know, he's pulling his weight at the carnival. And that's the only thing, you know, that they judge you based on how much you're willing to put in, you know, and it's not really, like it's a give, give, give, give, give situation with the Charles house, but at the carnival it's a give and take, you know, everybody's moving back and forth and whatnot. And I think the chaos of the carnival would actually give him more stability than the monotonous brutal routine of the Charles house. So I'm just, I'm throwing that out there. But I was kind of hoping, like I said, I was kind of hoping that we would do that when we got to the carnival, it'd be like, you go off and then I'd write a scene that came like a couple of days later, they really don't have anything to do with each other other than the character development of the people that he's interacting with. So. Yeah, it makes sense. Me getting all deep and literary in this piece, play, no, themes and all that shit. I saw some, and I know, I want to close this. It probably, I'll talk to you about this office. I don't want to end on this, but I found something interesting. And I want to talk to you once we're done here. There's only two people in here. Anyways, we're going to go guys. Thank you for hanging out with us. We will be back tomorrow. We'll keep going until Sunday. Sunday is a game night. And I'll see you guys at five p.m. there, but I'll also see you tomorrow. So we'll tomorrow at nine o'clock, Saturday at nine o'clock, and then Sunday will be a day off. And hopefully next week we're back on our schedule. I had to take Tuesday off this week, but next week we'll go Wednesday, we'll be off Wednesday and Sunday and probably that way from here on out. But yeah, thanks for joining us. Chad, anything you want to say before we go? Nope. Thanks for watching. Thanks for hanging out. Definitely. Until next time, I'll help it.