 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, maybe one of the shortest intros we've done in a long time. Yeah, 30 minutes. We might have something to do with the temperature in this room. It could be. Is that what it was? Could be that again. For the first 30 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. Let's talk about Adam's move. He's moving into a new house. Yeah. And his restocking of cleaning products. He went from the chemical-based cancer stuff. Thrive market. Take care of me. And now is buying all natural stuff from Thrive Market. Now Thrive Market is the largest online retailer of non-GMO and organic food products. They also have cleaning products. They have cosmetic products. They have stuff for pets, right? They have dog food. They have pet food. Got me some dog food. Here's what we did. We negotiated a phenomenal deal for our listeners. If you go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash mind pump, you're going to get a month free membership and $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. Then we talked about baseball cards. We always collect those when we were kids. Adam, you had like, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth. And I lost them all. And Sal just collected Tim Brown. That's it. Tim Brown is the other one. We talked about Justin's new PRX. Home gym system. PRX home gym systems are awesome. The rack that he got actually very sturdy, but it folds into the wall or kind of goes flat to the wall. So you maximize your space. Great new sponsor for us. We are working with you. Super excited about it. And we got you guys a hookup. So if you go to prxperformance.com forward slash mind pump and use the promo code mind pump, you'll get 5% off and a free maps prime program with purchases of over $500. But if you have a, if you want to home gym, they're the best. They're the best. You can pretty much do all our maps programs with this setup. Yep. We talked about Santa Barbara trip and a few of the things there. Doug just scrolled down. Can't see him. Oh kids texting and social media. And then we get into the questions. The first question was to this person's 19 years old coming off a cut wants to bulk wants to know the most effective way to bulk. Now bulking is when you're trying to put on lean body mass or muscle. You can do it in an effective way or you can just get fat. Find out which one. Good old dirty bulk in this part of this episode. This next person wants to know how they should approach someone in the gym who has horrible form or not, or do you approach this person point and laugh. Do you just let the boys or do it just to just said I'm a dick. The next question was most NFL offensive linemen have lost 50 or more pounds with just in a few months of retiring. What are the long-term effects of force feeding your body to be above 300 pounds. We talk about the dangers of playing the NFL, the dangers of being that big and maybe the benefits of being that big, especially when you're getting hit by people who are running at you like a car. Yeah. And the final question, how do you negotiate effectively for a raise. There's some good wisdom in this part of the episode. Also, I'd like to mention maps, performance, maps green. This is the first maps program that Adam, Justin and I created together. The first collaboration that we did. The collab. This is a program that is excellent for building muscle, burning body fat but also to get your body to move like an ancient athlete. What does that mean? Well, an ancient athlete, especially in the early days of the Olympics was supposed to be able to do everything, jump, run, lift, wrestle, fight. I mean, you want, it's basically full spectrum athletic performance. Well, that's math performance. That's what it's designed for. We took the price and we cut it in half. It's 50% off, but you have to use the code green 50. If you don't use that code, you won't get the 50% off. All one word. Green 50, no space at checkout at mindpumpmedia.com for the 50% off. We also have bundles that are available. The bundles are where we combine multiple math programs. We put them together and we discount them. Wrap it up. And they're usually put together for a particular goal or reason like we have the build your butt bundle, we have the sexy athlete bundle and we have the super bundle, which is a year of exercise programming. So you can find all the bundles and the 50% off math performance. Use the code green 50 at mindpumpmedia.com. Dude, how's your, how's your moving going, Adam? Oh man. Your three story house, bro. I hate moving so bad. Dude, it's three levels, not including the garages level. So it's technically four. Oh shit. You go one, two, three, four. So you have to go up all those stairs. To get to your bedroom at the very top? Yes. All the rooms, so there's three bedrooms upstairs and then it has like a little corner you turn and come down. Dude, it's been a long, long 24 hours for me right now. But and right now too. So we just, I took care of all the big rocks, right? Everything's unpacked. The rooms are set up. You know, we have, so we have a couple things in boxes still that will eventually unbox. But now it's like all the other stuff that's a pain in the ass. Like you forget about like Comcast and your, your... Oh, it's a nightmare. Right. You got to change mailing address, all those things like that. I mean, I forgot about my Thrive Market mailing stuff because I have stuff that's being shipped to me. I had a, I ordered a bunch of cleaning supplies and things like that for the house to get going. I got my butcher bot, all my stuff that's all on auto. I have to go and go change. Are you ordering a bunch of new cleaning supplies and stuff now? Cause you're, I always do that when I move. Yeah. So I made, so I made Katrina, I shouldn't say made. I, Katrina and I decided to make her do anything. I directed this. Her and I decided that we would, you know, get rid of most everything that we had. And we, for the most part, we'd save the big stuff. But even not even the furniture. I mean, we got rid of almost everything. And so food in the refrigerator and things that were cleaning supplies that was half full. It's like just, we're dumping it. We're just going to do a trash and then we'll just buy new stuff. And so, yeah, I know we redid all that stuff. So I did it. I did not have... So now you're fully out of all the crazy chemical cleaners and you're getting the natural Thrive Market stuff. Yeah. No, no. And now I look like, now I look like we're fully, I mean, my whole cupboard like fully sponsored. It's not there. I think in the next day or two, I know Katrina said it all up, but that's the stuff we're doing today now is getting all our address stuff changed over to the house and last... So what did she have to do by herself when you were... So... Because we were up, we were down in Santa Barbara doing our thing. Oh man. And I just felt, I felt miserable. And she had to do it all. I felt so bad. Basically she has brothers. Yeah. She has two brothers that are amazing too. Like, shout out to them. I know Larry, he listens to the show. I love your brother. And then his brother, Andy, who was just... Her brother, Andy, has been like... He's like a master of... You guys remember the couch that I had upstairs in my house? Do you remember the big custom couch? Right. Okay. So I don't know if you guys realize this or not, but you can't take that up the stairs. So we have to scale it over that wall and down. So I came home the day before we left. Would you tie ropes to it and stuff? So yeah. So this is what... This is literally what happens to me two days ago. I come home and I open the door. And I hear him go, Oh, is that you, brother? And I'm like... And I look around the corner and there's my couch fucking hanging from the wall. And it's like tilting. And it looks like it's going to fall over. I'm like, oh, shit. I go sprinting up the stairs. I've got one of my brothers is holding on to the couch. And the other one has got a rope around his waist. And it's harnessed on the other side of this freaking... On his waist? Yes. That's not that safe. 300 pounds. 15 goes down. Oh, yeah. I was leaning back on it and they were trying to do it all by themselves. I caught them in the middle of that. Wow. And then... You came home at the right moment. Oh, right time. But dude, he's a G when it comes to like packing things. I mean, it's crazy. He packed so well though that I was unpacking last night and this morning. And I was like... I thought I finished my shoes, right? And I was like, oh my God, this took forever to do the shoes. The shoes... Because you can only carry... How many pairs of shoes? I don't know. Just be honest. Yeah, you do. More than 100, less than 500. That's a huge range. Yeah, it's definitely... It's well over 100. So you're probably like two to 300 pairs? Yeah, probably around 300 and something if I had to guess. Of shoes? Yeah. And they're in plastic boxes and... And or the original boxes they come in. So... Do you think that's... There's a little bit of a dysfunction? A little obsessive. A little obsessive. Do you have a problem? Well, and so I agree with you there. So I was getting rid of it. Like I was purging today. Like, okay, I don't... I haven't wore those in over a year. Like they can go. You know what I'm saying? If it's a shoe that I have... If I haven't wore it in like over a year and it's not like a really rare shoe, I'll just... I let them go. So I actually got rid of probably... I don't know, 30 pairs today. So you're down to 300. Yeah. But dude, carrying up... You felt every single one of those shoes. Oh, I did. You're like, yeah. I'm giving them out. It was like that. It's kind of weird. Crying. Yeah, it's kind of weird how I am with the sneakers. I remember looking at pictures of them. When you guys were kids, you weren't into sneakers at all like that? Not really. I wasn't that. I like that. I was. I had like certain ones that I worked towards getting, but like it was only maybe like five, you know? I could probably count them. That's the most pairs of shoes I've ever had. So when I was a kid, I only had a couple, too. So I always had like the pair of shoes that I got for the whole year. And then I had like a basketball pair of shoes. Right. And then maybe a nice pair for like when you were a shoe. It was always cleats or something functional, like basketball shoes. Right. And I just, you know, the ones that were really nice shoes, especially my basketball shoes, they only touched the court. Like I would never let them get out. And they like, I kept them up. I did that. Yeah. I cleaned them every time I brought them back in. So I was... Because it makes you play better, right? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that the science? And then tie them real tight up to help. That was my thing. So when you were a kid, was there anything that you collected? Baseball cards, shoes. Well, shoes was now, right? So baseball cards. I used to collect a 50 cent in silver. Oh, I used to do that. I had a coin collection, too. Yeah. Wow. Where is my coin collection? I know, right? I think my parents took it. That's the one that's worth money because it is money. Yeah. You know, inherently. I had... I had so many silver dollars. I have pure silver dollars. I had a couple of them, too. I had like each year. That's what I had. Like I had one of those little books that unfold, and then the pieces go in a book. Yeah, it was made for and you collect each year. My most valuable collection was probably my comic book collection. I have comic books that are worth hundreds of dollars by themselves. Wow. Yeah, I have one where the Hulk, the Grey Hulk kills the Abomination. I have another one where the Grey Hulk and the Green Hulk combine to become the New Hulk. That was kind of a big one. Oh, wow. Superman's death. I had a lot of Punisher War journals and all that kind of stuff. You know what? My most valuable collection was these baseballs that I would get signed because I was good friends with Jim LeFever and his family. And so they used to give me tickets on the third baseline. And so we'd sit with all the players' wives. And one time he let me come down to the dugout. I was a kid. I was probably like nine years old or something. And this is like during playoffs, right? When they won the pennant, I guess you call it. And I'm in there and everybody, he got everybody to sign it for me. Like Jose Canseco. He's got Carney Lansford. He's got like the entire team. And I hold this thing like it's the Holy Grail. You know? Like I still have it. You just reminded me of a crazy story. So when I was a kid, my first baseball game, no, I take that back. My first baseball game was in fourth grade. My best friend's parents took me to it. The first time my parents ever took me to a baseball game was for a birthday of mine. Back then, this is like fifth grade, fifth or sixth grade. I was a Dodger fan. And they took me down to LA to go to a game. That was like my big birthday. And I got to bring a friend. And what they did was they tried to surprise me by they got into my baseball car collection and they got like all of my Dodger cards. And supposedly they had some sort of a connection and somebody was going to get all these cards signed. And I had like the Silver Slugger, Daryl Strawberry, and Mike Piazza, and like the Carrows. Was it a score, Don Russ? I had all. I collected everything. Right. But these cards were worth good money. Right. And then my parents were going to get them signed for me. But they got hustled by somebody. So they gave away like 30 of my best cards that I had that were gone. What if they sold your cards and didn't told you that? Right. Don't say that. That could totally be true. What if your parents are like, how are we going to pay for this horse? I know. Fuck you, bro. Oh, man. Cassie wants a horse. I don't know if we can do it. Sell his baseball cards. He cares about this. What are we going to tell him? What are we going to tell him? Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. What if that was true? Nice to break your heart right now. You did. It skipped a beat right there. I thought, oh, shit, man. Did he really? That is possible. But yeah, what were the brands that were very plausible? What were the brands? Score, Don Russ, Tops. Upper deck. Upper deck was the expensive ones. I tried to collect as many as those I could though. My goal in life was to collect King Griffey Junior cards. I don't know why. Why? I don't know. I had a bunch of his. He was the man. He was the man. I was an ace fan, but I knew how valuable his card was super valuable at the time. So I would trade kids if they had a King Griffey card. All of my cards were just the one card. Wow. I had a thing for Tim Brown. I don't know why. I had a bunch of Tim Brown cards. Remember Tim Brown? Of course. Why? I don't know. Why Tim Brown? You know what I think it was? I think for whatever reason I had a lot of his cards. Like an anti-Rice guy or something when that was the idea? No. Maybe. I had no idea. I had a lot of his cards. So I'm like, oh cool. It's easy to remember. Tim Brown. Tim Brown. Super easy. Which one was the one that had the gum in there that would cut your face? That was Don Russ. That was Tops. No, it was Tops. That was Sharp gum. You didn't chew it. You shattered it. The Bazooka Joe. No, it was a thin. You don't remember it was a thin pink gum that you bite into and it would shatter in your mouth. Yeah. So you had shards of gum. It was so dry. In your mouth. Drying out on the cardboard. And then you would finally, yeah. Who would have thought if you put a piece of gum in with a bunch of cards that they would absorb any sort of moisture in the gum. Turn into some shitty paper. What a weird marketing ploy. Like how are we going to get kids to play baseball? Brilliant. Put gum in there. It was brilliant though. I wonder why they don't do that anymore. We'll start doing that with maps programs. Yeah. Put some gum. Get some gum with your program. That might work. That's a hard idea. When I was a kid, we used to go down to a place called, it was Circle K was the liquor store. And we used to ride our bike down there. And I would take a dollar and I would get two decks of cards, which I think was 25 cents back then. I want to say it was 25 cents or 50 cents for a package of cards. And then I would get five cinnamon toothpicks. They were a nickel for the package. You guys didn't get those? You remember those little cinnamon toothpicks? Yeah, they were toothpicks. Were you that asshole that would just chew on it? He was that guy. He was cool. Totally. Totally. You were like 13. Yeah, like 12. You wore hats and fucking toothpicks. That's out of it. For sure. I used to save up. If I just found a quarter in the couch, I would walk my ass all the way to the express market to play Street Fighter. I'd walk all the way over there. I'd put it in and I'd play. And then inevitably, some kid would beat me. And it was always some younger kid. One quarter? I'd walk all the way over there with a quarter just to play one game of Street Fighter. That's how much I liked that game. So anyway, Justin, how's your equipment set up going? Did you get the PRX? Yeah. I ordered the PRX and I cleared out this entire room for it. And I'm devoting it completely to training in there. I'm so excited about it. Everything came in a timely manner. And I realized that what I ordered, what I wanted was a pull-up bar with the squat rack and didn't realize. And they had highlighted this on the website and missed it, that it basically adds another two feet. And it doesn't clear my ceiling. How tall is it? Oh, is it add? Because it locks up. It lifts up. So what people need to know, which is it's a great, I mean, everything that came and I got bars and I got stuff for Courtney too. Like I got a 35 pound bar. We have racks and stuff to be able to hang them vertically on the wall. So everything's nicely compartmentalized. Where is it going in your house? So it's in this room that's downstairs, which I don't have a basement or a garage or anything. So I really just converted this room that was kind of like a storage room for us. The same one that you put all the climbing shit into? Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's going to be like right next to, so my kids use that to kind of do the climbing wall. They do pull-ups and stuff with the rings that are all hanging from the ceiling. And so I'm going to be working out like right next to them. And so it's nice because it'll fold straight out. So then it'll collapse to the wall. So it's like, it doesn't like it's struck a lot of room. They're brilliant. These are brilliant because they fold flat against the wall. Yeah. And you can pull them out. They're sturdy. You can load them with a lot of weight. It's like the ultimate home gym. Because the rack that I have. It's like ready, set, go. Because I would see the rack that I have in my place is, it's a rack. That's it. They can't do anything with it. You can never park your car in there. I can park one car now. Right? So one car has to park on the street. But if I had the PRX one, I'd be able to fold them back in when I was done to put everything up against the wall. And they have a lot of cool options. So like I got these, they're basically like it holds the bar vertically. So you can actually mount the bar. So it actually, even then the bar doesn't take up a lot of space either. It's straight up. So they're really smart about how you can use storage, like how you basically organize it all. So it's out of the way. Isn't that the company you found on Shark Tank? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love that show. Every now and then some jams will come through. And I saw that and was like, oh, shit. That's a great idea. Like I would love to have that in my house. Because I don't have a garage. I'm sure it works even better if you have a garage. And you can do like the ones that have the extra high bar so you can do like. So what are you doing? Are they sending you shorter pieces? Yeah. And what's great is they handle it right away. They're like, oh yeah. Here's what you do. So they give me like new slips so I can ship those back and they replace the new ones. So I'm waiting on those. But I'm going to get that hopefully done by this week. I don't know, man. You were going to, you were banking on that for this contest. That rack in there. So what are you going to do now? I'm just lifting. I'm lifting what I got in there, man. I got bars and weights. Dude, that's all I need. Did you know he's lost seven pounds already, Adam? Seven more or is that total? Total. Okay. He was down five last week. Yeah. So he's dropped another two. He's doing, he's not doing bad at all. Look at you. Seven pounds. What do you think? I already told you how this is going to go down. Justin's going to lose because he's going to try too hard. Too hard. And you're not going to try hard enough. And I'm going to slide right in. Yeah. And Doug would be close to me but he takes all the advice from you. So that's his only fault. He's like still taking advice from Sal. Well, your weight hasn't changed, right? No. So you're doing the, I'm not progressing program? Yeah. I'm just going to maintain. I'm following maps, no results. That's what I'm doing. Maps maintenance. Yeah. I've dropped four but that's water and all that stuff. I was at 200 when I started. I've been tempted a couple of times because of that. But I know, again, I know it's just, it's just the mental game. Like I know that I don't need to lean out right now. I have plenty of building that I can do and still drop my body. I'll tell you what's discouraging. So we were just filming some photos and stuff for some future projects. I know what you're going to say. Yeah. You can't share that. I'm not going to share what we're doing but we had a young, everybody will know eventually, but we had a young lady here who's a strength athlete. That's as far as I'll tell you. This girl can deadlift 425 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. It's more than just deflated me. She's not a big girl either. Yeah. She's like a petite girl. She's pulling 425 pounds. I've done it. I've lost weight. Yeah. So me and Justin are going to do, we're doing yoga now. I'm at a disadvantage. Hardcore yoga. We're done with the weights. Yeah. We're doing a lot of yoga now. I don't want to do weights anymore. Yeah. I'm done. I hang out my cleats. Yeah. Doug was pulling that when we were down in Santa Barbara, right? Were you deadlifting over there? I was, but it wasn't 425. Yeah. I hate to say it. Yeah. That was the worst gold gym of my life. It was terrible. Yeah. You know what it was? I figured it out. Come on, Santa Barbara. Is that the best you got? So did you guys notice that we were like right next to or underneath a hotel? I think that used to be a hotel gym that then golds bought. It's too small to be. It was like the size of. It felt like a hotel size gym. Yeah. It was the smallest golds I've ever been in. Except they had a group X room though. Like why? And what about the dudes that were deadlifting in front of you? That was a good time. Their backs probably feel great. Oh, so bad. Yeah. It was so bad. I have some technique. I have a really hard time when training like that because the trainer in you wants to say something, you know. It bothers me. It does bother. But you also know it's not going to get. Right. And then I also know that it'll lead to ruining my workout because then I turn into like coaching and helping. And it's like, ah. So you try and, yeah, just face other direction. Yeah. This is why I like to go to my own place. You know, we got to take Enzo. You know, Enzo hasn't gone to like any of the big gyms. He hasn't gone to a real gym. He thought that gym was a nice gym. This is awesome. He's like, this is the best gym I've ever been in. We're like, what? No. It's not. Not even close. We got to take him to the one. Take him to Brunel, dude. Yeah. Take him down there. Oh, yeah. And then when we go to Austin, that big Tex gym. That's a real. That's a big boy gym. Yeah. That's a real gym. That's Rust and chalk and. It's like a lift. It's a lifter's gym. He'll grow a third testicle. Gold. I like lifter gyms. Yeah. It's a lifter's gym. Like, yeah, it's not like the, I think Enzo will appreciate golds and that type of feel because it's got a bunch of cool stuff. He's got a bunch of equipment. Take him to what? Plenty of mirrors. What's his name? What's his name? I know what he likes. Florida. I came to Pekolski. Oh, yeah. That's a bodybuilder gym. That's a very good. Well, he's got the strength stuff in there too though. That's what. I like a combination of the both. Both, you know. It depends on how I'm feeling. No, the big Tex one for me is that's my favorite. Yeah, yeah. I want to go. You know what was the most fun yesterday about the traveling was on the way home. All the music we were listening to. Dude, that was the most like widest variety of music. I think I've listened to and I can't tell you how long. Adam had us listening to some like country. Not just country. It was like, like pop, like almost rapping country. What the fuck was that? Yeah. It's like, uh, I don't know what the other was Sam Hunt. Okay. Uh, you know, I don't know what they, what genre they call that. It's, it is country, but it's like the newer countries coming. And I don't like a lot of it. I like his stuff though. I've seen him live before. It wasn't bad. It was good. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, yeah. Don't hate. It was good. I got, dude, I can go all over the place. You know that. Like I can listen. No, you don't like my music. Well, I do like your music, but I, you know, I want to be on like LSD at a fucking, at a, like a rave. You know what I'm saying? That's what I want. That's what I want to listen to that music. Like if we're just to be honest, no, there's, there's, I feel like there's times for like different. That's where I think you're all backwards. Like we get in the car. Everyone's chill. No, it feels like a video game. We're cruising. When you play that music and you drive it. We're cruising for five and a half hours. Like there's, there's like, there's music for that. Right. I mean, I want to like punch my head. I hope the forum gets my back on this one. Like this, there's music for like certain, whatever it is that you're doing. I didn't have any glow sticks. So it's not going to go to music that he always plays. And it's always. It's not like that. Like, oh dude, we're just, we're cruising, dude. It's not like that. That was the craziest beat I've ever heard, dude. It's like that. He can't sing. He can't make beats. He can't do it. Awful. It's great. No, I like that. I mean, I remember Baker was the one who got me on house, house music and dubstep and all that stuff. It wasn't that hard, Brian. My stuff, I had vocals. I wasn't, I wasn't. Kind of, dude. Kind of. That's, that's a good. It makes, you know, it reminds me of close out. I mean, I love that stuff on, if it was Jim at the end of the month, we're closing out, we're selling. I'm coming in the gym at 6 a.m. when working till midnight, like taking four speed stacks. Like, I want to hear that music, dude. You know, I want to hear that. You're on a fedra. It's great. Yes. I liked exposing Enzo to the rock music of our era, because he didn't, he hadn't heard any of it. I could tell he doesn't like it at all. No. I wanted to just pound it in his head. I'm like, listen to this. This is what you should work out to. He's like, why are they so angry? Yeah. Why is everybody so mad? I'm like, that's the point. Yeah. You're supposed to be angry when you work out. Yeah, the looking heavy weights. Like, how do you get through that? I don't trust anybody that smiles when they lift weights. If you're smiling and you're lifting weights. Or talk to you. You're crazy. Stop talking to me. You're lifting weights now. Yeah, exactly. You need to be angry when you work out. Anyway. So you guys know who? Lost a lot to learn. You guys know I've been texting a lot lately? Together. Who's your text friend? My eight-year-old daughter. Oh, really? Yeah. No way. So she has my old phone, and it's hooked up to Wi-Fi. So she doesn't have cell service or anything. Yeah. It's so funny. I wake up in the morning and she'll send me like three or four gifts that she'll pick and it's like a unicorn or like poop dancing or whatever. Perfect. She'll be like, yeah. And she'll be like, I love you. And then she'll do. She uses all the shortcut words and stuff. And she's eight years old. Wow. It's so crazy to see your kid talking. It's already happening. Do you have to get on like Urban Dictionary to decipher it or what? Well, you know what I like about it. She's LMA. So here's the thing. T-O-G-H-I. Here's the thing. One of the challenging things about, you know, when you're divorced and you have, you know, I have dual custody, right? One of the difficult things is when they're not with me, you know, I miss them. And then what they're with me, you know, I love being with them. And then sometimes like, oh, I need a break and they're gone. I miss them. So you say it's this duality, but it's also, you know, kids are kids. I mean, sometimes they're going to be in good moods. Right. Sometimes they're going to be in bad moods. And my daughter is a little bit, she can definitely fluctuate from one end to the other. And it's hard not to take it personal. So like I'll call her because she's with her mom and I'll call and I'll talk to my son. And they'll like, put your sister on the phone. And I'll be like, you know, but Paul wants to talk to you. And she'll be like, no, I don't want it right now. I'm busy. No, it's all like, my feelings hurt. Oh, right? Stabs me. So I said, put me on speakerphone to my son. So he puts me on speakerphone. So I'm like, let me talk to her. And she's like, no. And I'm like, that's fine. I don't want to talk to her. And I hang up, right? I'm like, oh no. You know what it is? I'm like, I'm like playing that game with my eight year old. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to talk to her. You want to talk to me? So stupid, right? And it's something that I realized afterwards. I shouldn't have said that. But then like, you know, like a couple hours later, she's sending me like pictures because I think she felt bad. She realized, yeah. So she's sending me like loving pictures and stuff. Now she does, but your son doesn't do this at all. Text me? Yeah. My son texts me memes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. My son's text me draw. You can draw, you know, on that little text feature. And they send me the most, the weirdest drawings. Do they really? Yeah. It's probably poop or blow or explosions. Or like somebody farting. No. Have they made the a little, not emoji, what's the little character that looks just like you? Have you seen people do that yet? Oh, your avatar? Yes. No. They don't do that? No, no, no. My sister and my mom do that. They're like spot on too. They're hilarious. Yeah, they're hilarious. No, no, no. My son sends me memes now. My boy just turned 13. So he's a few years away from like the real memes. You know what I mean? Oh, he's. Like the where he's going to be. Oh, I'm sure he's there. He just doesn't want to share that with you. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I can't do that. He's 13 years old. I'm going to wait. I'm sure he's getting them. It's fine. I get it. But it's my. You don't want to think about that. No, I'm his dad. It's fine. But at some point in the near future, next three to five years, he's going to learn the true depths of my humor. The true darkness of. Oh, man. Yeah. The things that we find. And I'm sure he's the same way. Now, out of all your kids, out of everyone's kids, who do you guys think, and Doug included here, who do you think is most likely to start listening to the show first? To listening to our podcast? Yes. Oh, that's my boy. I'm pretty sure he's 13. He's the oldest. You think he will? Yeah, if he hasn't already. I'm surprised Doug's daughter hasn't yet. Yeah. I think Brianna would. Brianna follows all you guys on Instagram. I feel like she does. I feel like she's in. Oh, I'm following her back. Yeah, because she. Girls mature quick. When I see her, she makes little comments about stuff. And I'm like, you must be listening or paying attention. Where she makes me really nervous. Yeah. She's following you guys. Honestly. Oh, my memes are terrible sometimes. Yikes. You're probably the most inappropriate. Me? Yeah, probably. I'm not that inappropriate, but I can definitely. I say inappropriate stuff. I think you're the most PC. Nah, on Instagram, yeah. Yeah, not in real life. Not in real life. Get to know me. That's weird, man. It's messed up. How old is your daughter? Is she 12? 13? No, she's 12. 12? Wow. Well, that's the age. That's the age when they do that kind of stuff. They go on it right away. And they learn how to use that stuff so fast. My kids teach me. When we did our YouTube, remember when my kids came and they were here when we were doing YouTube? And at the end of YouTube, I sign off. And I'll say, please subscribe to our channel. And my daughter, she's like, Papa, she's like, they're not going to know you're posting new videos just because they subscribe. They have to click on the little thing that lets them get notified. This is after a year of YouTube that we've been doing. And I was like, mind was blown. I was like, oh, shit. It's bad when a 12-year-old is school with us. No, eight-year-old. Eight-year-old school. That's what our business. Gosh, man. It's absolutely terrible. I don't think they'll listen because when I was a kid, I didn't give a shit what my parents were doing. I wouldn't care what they're doing. I don't think they're cool. When you're a kid, you don't think your parents are cool. So I wouldn't think they're cool enough for me to want to sit down and listen to. Well, you guys already saw how interested my oldest was in creating videos and trying to get on YouTube and all that. So I guarantee he's going to get through all of our stuff at some point. Is he still for sure? Is he still doing that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he wants to have his own channel bad. And so I'm trying to get him to storyboard and really think it out first before we actually start to do that. He's like, OK. So he's drawing it all up for me and checking it out. You know how many free employees we're going to have? I know. I'm so excited. We have Justin's two kids. It's my favorite part of all you guys having kids. Doug's daughter. We're going to save so much money. That's like five employees. I'm not paying him anything. He's got to earn his way. What do you mean you're not paying him anything? What are the laws on that? You give them dinner every night. They have a place to live. Yeah, what are the laws on that? What are the laws on that? They're actually kids. It's sweat labor. Is that how that works? I think if they're on farms, they can work at a real young age. I think only there's child labor. So you're going to throw some plants in the front? There's child labor laws if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure I can. But they're your kids. How's that work? Yeah. I don't know how that works. There's got to be a loophole. We call it chores. Even if they're here, it's chores. Did you video your chores? Dad, I'm not done editing the video. I want my allowance. Let's not talk about that. Public. Exactly. Yeah. I'm not paying you next week. You didn't pay me room. What the fuck, dad? Thank you so much. I'm entitled to benefits. Dad. I know how you do the money thing with your kids, which I think is really cool. Now, do you do an allowance, Sal? No, I don't give my kids money. Anything? No. You just fuck them. Holy moly. No. I mean, they get, you know, the lights turn on, you know, and they want the lights. There's water. You know what I mean? They get a lot of things that just don't give them money. They don't get an allowance? No, no. You know what's funny? When I was a kid, I remember when I'd asked for an allowance, my dad used to look at me and laugh at it and maybe feel bad. Yeah. So I did it. Dude, you were right about the farm thing. Yeah, 12 on a farm. Even children of 12 can work. I know a lot of random things, Adam. So maybe get some corn. You look into that. You can put it in that front. That little front plant box that we have. Yeah, we can do that. I think family business is maybe exempt, too. I'm not sure. I'm looking for that. Yeah. Like, why a farm? That's so funny to me. Because farms... I get it. It makes sense, kind of. But why not any other business then? I don't know. Speaking of farms, I need to address this. I pissed off a lot of people, apparently, with one of our episodes. You did. Because I talked about the subsidies to the farms. I said, you know, farms don't look like what you think they look like. It's not like the mom and pop farms. There are some of these mom and pop ones, but the vast majority of our food is produced by these massive corporations. The vast majority of the food is produced by the bigger corporate-like farms, but there's way more mom and pop farms than there are the big farms. Yeah, but when you look at it as a general market share, it's a very, very small piece. But that wasn't my point. My point with that was, you know, when it comes to propping up markets because the distortions in the market, it doesn't matter. It's just inefficient. It doesn't matter who's there. And, yes, there are always people that will pay the price for bad economics. And so I'm definitely empathetic to that. I don't even remember what you said, but you definitely did stir it up. Yeah, that was that statement right there. We own a farm. We only have 1,500 acres and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well, I get it. So, yeah, 12. We're good once they're 12. Yeah. Well, we're solid. Yeah, man, my daughter can start now. I'll do it early. Yeah. It's an internship. My youngest is five. Yeah. You can learn some stuff. I'm excited. Hey, what did you think about Bishop Barron's vans, dude? Oh, I loved it. That was my favorite part. What was that? I didn't even notice. You didn't notice? How could you not notice that? Oh, so great. The slip-on kind and everything. He looked like super ready to skateboard. Dude, it was amazing. I liked meeting, was it his CEO of his company, Father Steve, he's all jacked. Yeah. He's all buffed. Yeah. I was like, what? Yeah. What was he saying about how they were, when they first started YouTube, where they did something and they did some special and they wanted him to come on an skateboard and everything? Yeah. Yeah. Because he wanted to make it more accessible and more relatable. So they're like, why don't you come in on a skateboard? And you're like, hey, what's up, dudes? They're like, come on. But he's got two guys on his team that are really into working out and lifting weights. Now, didn't you send them, they're going to be doing maps, right? Maps Prime Pro for Joe and for Father Steve, because they're both experienced. And then there's another gentleman on their team. I forgot his name. Apologies. But he's going to do maps anabolic, which I think is pretty cool. Boom. Yeah. He's the big jack guy you keep forgetting about. He's 6'5", and like 2'80". Is that the guy, or is Joe the guy that's really jacked? Brandon. Brandon is the guy that I'm giving maps anabolic. I thought it was Joe that they said was the big, the big tall, the big dude. You've been talking to him more than any of us, so you would know better than anybody. I think that's just cool. It's just cool. You know what I mean? It's very cool. Our first question is from Diego H. Berrigan. I'm 19 years old and I'm just coming off a cut. I went from 160 to 139 pounds. Right now I'm hovering around 141 to 143 pounds. I want to put on some quality muscle. How long and how aggressive should I bulk? You know, here's the thing with bulks that we've talked a lot on the show about being on a long cut, a long calorie cut, and what happens to the metabolism and how the body stops responding and how it's beneficial to interrupt a cut with maintenance or above maintenance. In fact, there's a study that was recently published that made the rounds that compared actually groups of people where one group just stayed on a cut for 12 weeks and the other group actually in between the, you know, for that 12 week period actually had a period of maintenance or slight surplus. And the group that fluctuated their calories or allowed themselves to eat more in between this 12 week cut actually lost more body fat. Now those of us in the fitness industry know this through anecdote. We've known this for a long time. I remember for myself the first time I ever really tried to get shredded, which was as an adult. I remember going off on a weekend and just eating whatever I wanted to, coming back, eating clean again, and like one or two days later got leaner or look leaner than I had before. And I remember thinking like, oh, this is really crazy. This happens with the bulk also. I think what a lot of people are trying to put on weight, they're so afraid of losing muscle and they have to continue to pound themselves with calories that they don't realize that, it actually, the anabolic effect from the extra calories starts to decline. One of the most effective things I've ever done or recommended to people who are trying to put on muscle and on an aggressive bulk is to throw in fasts. Like one or two day, 24 hour fasts, go back to the bulk. You will lose a few pounds of water or whatever, but about four, three, four days after that you'll notice this kind of rebound effect. And competitive athletes and bodybuilders have known this for a long time. One of the most anabolic feelings you'll ever have in your entire life is if you've ever gotten shredded and then eaten afterwards or fed yourself more, you just put on muscle. Your body just assimilates everything so effectively. Dude, the workouts I had, the leanest I ever got was when I took photos for MAPs anabolic and I got down to, I don't know where I got down, it's probably four or five percent. Got really, really shredded. After that, I started feeding myself more. And it was like the rebound was, and I didn't go crazy, I didn't eat shitty food either. I'm relatively healthy still, but the muscle building effects from that were, I mean it was comparable to back when I would take the over the counter designer steroid days. My body just sucked it up and that's when I started to realize if I want to really put on muscle I need to interrupt it with these periods of lower calories because your body adapts and it stops using it the way you want. Studies show too, high protein all the time, you actually become less efficient with how you use protein. And basically what that means is, not that you're wasting the protein necessarily, but more of it gets used for energy that gets used for tissue building and repair. Well, I like to give the analogy of it like being like a sponge, like we're running water over a sponge and if you're on a bulk, that's you just running water through the sponge. You keep doing that, like the sponge is going to soak up a bunch of it and eventually a lot of it just kind of spilling out and spilling through the sponge. Nothing better than to just ring that out completely and then run it under again. So think of the same way when you're going through a bulk, like if I'm feeding for over consuming on calories for two, three weeks and I start to notice like progress start to stall, like I'll throw a fast like Sal's talking about, or I'll run like three days in a row of just lower calories. So if my bulking calories is 4,000 calories and I've been running 4,000 calories for like two or three weeks, then all of a sudden I'll turn around and do a 3,000 or a 2,500 calorie day and two or three days of that in a row and then go back up. Now with the inverse of this, would you guys do that as well as far as like being on an aggressive cut? Absolutely, 100%. 100%. Same rules apply. I think it's even more important on the cut. Oh, man, absolutely. Because with the cut, your metabolism, well look, here's the deal. It's more important with the cut because most people are trying to cut. But let me tell you something. When you're bulking and you have a fast metabolism, you're pushing it and pushing it, that shit can get really annoying and very difficult. And here's one of the biggest challenges when you're trying to put on muscle and size, especially if you're, you know, 19 year old male who might have a fast metabolism, your appetite starts to get, you start to lose your appetite. Like you just keep force feeding yourself and it's like, I don't want to eat anymore. You know, that's something you have to contend with. And if you do like a- Oh, it's work, man. You do three, four days of low calories watch your appetite come right back. Well, and here's the thing at 19 though. One of the hardest things when you're 19 years old, I'll ever remember trying to be, trying to build muscle and add weight at 19 is you're so stuck on the scale weight. And that, when you're, when you're trying to gain and gain and gain, I remember getting up, getting up first thing in the morning and seeing where I was at feeding all day long, weighing myself before I went to bed and then having goals for myself. I want to be this heavy before bed. And when you start to realize how much your body holds on to water and let's go to, let's go of water every single day and how much of that pairs with sodium and with carbohydrates that, you know, so for every three grams of carbohydrates that we take in your body holds three ounces of water. So if you, you know, today had 30 more grams of carbohydrates, which is really not very much. You know, that's 60 something ounces that your body can hold on to water that day. That's a big difference. You put 60 ounces on a scale. That's a big difference on the scale. So the fluctuation up and down on the scale, you can't let it get into your head, which is what used to happen to me. I didn't know all that as a kid. Yeah, you would push so you just, you went up as, or didn't go down. Right. It was like the dirty bulk kind of mentality. I was so, because in your head, you think that scale drops all of a sudden, drops, you know, three pounds one day because I couldn't get enough calories. Oh God, I lost muscle. It's like, no, you didn't lose a bunch of muscle. You just don't have as much water that your body's holding. So if you can break through that and just not let it mentally fuck you and go, hey, I'm going to relax, let myself have two or three days that are low calorie, like Sal was saying, you'll kick that appetite back up and then you go right back into your surplus. So here's what I like to do with bulks when I'm training clients for a bulk. Here's what I like to do. When you're going into the bulk, believe it or not, I do the biggest calorie increase in the beginning. Okay, I know it sounds reverse, like people think you have to work your way up. I do the biggest calorie boost in the beginning. Then I slowly taper it down and then I do a maintenance or slightly a short period of cut and then I do it again. Why do I do it that way? When you're coming off of a cut and I'm not talking, when I say the most calorie boost, I don't mean like insane crap food. Okay, so this is all in context. You're capturing that window. Yeah, I'm capturing that window of when it's going to get turned into muscle. Now your body starts to adapt. After about a week or two, your metabolism starts to speed up, believe it or not. And or if you push it, you just start to put on body fat, which, you know, if you're bulking for a sport like football, sometimes that's okay. You want the extra weight, but most people don't want to put on, you know, body fat. They want lean body mass. So I'll start with the more aggressive bulk, which anywhere between 300 to 700 calories on surplus, I would say. Sometimes a thousand, depending on the person I'm working with. I don't know, what about you, Adam? When you give someone a... No, I would... Well, people that I'm coaching is totally different because that would be based off of how long I've been coaching for them, how I've assessed their metabolism before. And so I would go as low as 250 or 500, but then I would go as high as 1,000 plus. So I would do that. I wouldn't push anywhere beyond about 1,000 to 1,500. Especially maybe, and not longer than a week or two. Yeah, so we'll refeed like... So when I was coaching Melissa for her show, getting her ready, and I like using her because she's a small female, so you can get kind of an idea. You know, we'll run like three days in a row where... So her maintenance, her caloric maintenance is like around 2,000 calories. And when we're cutting for a show, we're playing with somewhere between 1,600 and 1,800 to kind of like consistently drop her. But then what I'll do is, as we get closer to showtime, is I'll tell her, okay, I want three days in a row, I want you to run at like 1,300 calories, which is really low. But then after her three days in a row of 1,300 calories, I'll push her all the way up to like 26, 2,700 calories. So it depends on that, right? So it depends on how depleted I am on how much I'm going to feed. So like you're saying you're right, like that's... I'm going to feed the hardest after low calorie, after a fast, after I've been cutting for a while. That's when I'm going to feed the hardest is... Just like a sponge. Again, when it's been ringed out completely, like it's going to be able to absorb the most amount of water right after you've rung it out, not after you've poured a little bit some, a little bit more, a little bit more. So same concept. You're going to do the same thing is you're going to feed hard and that's going to be all relative to who you're talking to. And you are after lean body mass. So I think it is important that you don't just pay attention to the scale. Look at your performance. Look at how your body feels. Look at how it looks. Putting on 10 pounds in a month, most of it's probably not muscle. Let's be honest, right? So if you're going... People say how aggressive should I bulk? I don't know. I would say if you're staying relatively lean, I wouldn't go more than a few pounds a month and that's still kind of aggressive for muscle gain. But because of his age, I'd say three, four pounds a month for a few months. I've done it. I've done it where I've trained an 18, 19-year-old and put 10 to 15 pounds of muscle on them in a three month period of almost all muscle. I've done it before, but we had to do it pretty smart. But definitely if you're going... It matters too how lean he is. Like, I mean, if you're a 19-year-old kid and you're 8% body fat, you're so skinny, like you aggressively bulking is not as damaging as the person who's already at 16, 17% and they're bulking. So, you know, when I'm... Because we still... I'll still bulk a client or... I hate saying bulk because people think bulk and they think you're big. I'll feed a client higher than their maintenance calories. You know, even if they're overweight, you know, even if you're somebody who is... who comes to me and you're 30 pounds overweight, I'll still feed you in a surplus because we want to ramp the metabolism up. But my goal in that case is I don't want to see any real weight gain. I just want to keep trying to creep your calories up without adding a ton of weight. Where a kid like this, well, I'm not as concerned if we put five or six pounds on. And you just... I mean, only you're going to know when you're looking at yourself and paying attention to, you know, how much of that you're putting on that... I'll tell you what, though. You know, I can really relate. You know, 19-years-old, skinny. Man, I could eat... It was like I was a garbage dispenser. Those are about my numbers right there at 19. Really? Yeah, yeah. You weighed 160 pounds? Yeah. 140. I graduated... I graduated high school at 145 at 6'3". Oh, yeah. You were... You could see my ribs. You were pretty thin there. Bean pole. Yeah. I was real skinny. No, so I was... I didn't. I was 190 when I graduated. But I had been lifting weights at 14. I was 185. I was pretty skinny bones. Really? 185 is a pretty good size for a high school kid. Yeah. I thought that... Yeah. A 5'6". Shut up! Yeah. A 6' foot, man. Next question? With heels. Next question is from Grace Hills, 14. How do you approach someone in the gym who has horrible form to the point where they may hurt themselves? I'll tell you about this right now. But I'll be coming off as an asshole. I don't work at the gym, but I'm a personal trainer elsewhere. Should I do something or just leave it alone? This is a tough one, man. It depends, man. I remember... I'll just tell you about some of the worst things I've seen in the gym. I saw a guy... There was one guy. He used to come in. He used to grab the lap pull-down bar. He'd load up the weight stack, and then he'd use his knees to pry himself down because he couldn't get down because the stack was heavy than him. So now he's being stretched by the bar with weight on it, and then he would just twist back and forth. He would do like... I don't know what he was doing, and then he would let go of it so it... A little spinal action. Then he'd add weight to the weight stack, and I don't know why he added weight. You're not using the resistance. It's just stretching you out. But I worked at the gym, and I would say something. If you don't work at a gym, I recommend you don't say anything. Well, I think it's actually really easy. If you're a personal trainer, you should know this, okay? If I see somebody who is... And typically it's like the... An older lady who is looking at the machine, and you could tell that she's lost at what she's... If I see that, and she looks like she's lost, and then she's doing a movement that could potentially hurt her, absolutely, I'll come over and I'll come say something to her. And I think she'll appreciate that. But if it's somebody who looks like they think they know what they're doing, and they're getting after it, and they're not looking around or looking like they don't know what they're doing, it's none of my fucking business. If it's not my gym, if I'm not working at that gym, because if I'm working at that gym, that's a potential lead. Oh, it's a case of know your audience. 100%. If you have... Exactly. If there's somebody looking around and unsure about what they're doing, they'll be like, hey, what are you up to? You know, you kind of spark conversation initially with that, but if it's somebody that's like, we saw in that gym, we're not gonna go up to them and give them proper cues and technique and make them give two shits about it. Athletes slapping each other on the ass, telling each other how great their form was. I'm not gonna go interrupt that like some asshole. You're just gonna get into a fight. Yeah, no. It's not my place to go do that. Have you guys seen some pretty gnarly injuries in the gyms that you've run? You know, be honest, I haven't seen... Oh, for the most part. Yeah, I've seen crashes. I've seen people, you know, drop weights on themselves. I've seen things like that, but I haven't seen somebody like really, really fucked himself up. I saw a guy snap his forearm in half. Whoa. Yeah, at Hillsdale. Wow. Hillsdale, he was... How do you snap your forearm? What are you doing? Well, him and his buddy were benching. Hammer girls with 140? No, him and his buddy were benching or incline benching and his buddy unwracked one side of the bar. So the other side, with the weight, flipped the bar, he was standing next to it. So the bar flipped over and just hit him in the arm. So it's like a 45-pound bar. That's like a total by accident, right? A freak accident. Well, dude, bone sticking out, but bloody... Oh, that bad? Oh, yeah, it was a bad one, dude. Everybody freaked out. That was one of the worst ones. Yeah. I saw a guy tear his quad. That was kind of weird. That's a really good point that you're bringing up though right now, because, I mean, we've all been doing this for, you know, 16, 20 years. And I can count on one hand how many times I've seen like a major injury. And I don't think I can even think of a one like that, like that's happened. So most people are probably not going to hurt themselves that bad in the gym. Now, you might get some muscle strains. I've definitely seen people like deadlifting and then like, oh, you see him walk away. But fuck, I've done that. You know what I'm saying? Like I just did that the other day like an asshole. You know what I'm saying? I was with the young kids and trying to show off and I, you know, felt a pomp and I was like, oh, shit. So I'm like, I'm not immune to it. No, I don't think you should go up to somebody and say something to them, especially if you don't work at the gym. If you really are concerned and you really think someone should say something, then go tell the staff to say it because you will not be received very well. Typically. Usually you're not going to be received very well. Yeah, it's not your, it's not your job. Even that to go tell it's like, yeah, it's not your job. It's not your place. Yeah, but if you're, look, if you're a trainer and you're like, oh, this person is going to for sure hurt themselves. I had a, I almost had a situation like that. Are they though? How many times have you seen that happen? You just, we just went, we just, all of us just, I cannot think of a time where someone has really, really hurt themselves. Dude, I saw it, gold's the one you work at. I saw one of the trainers there doing circuits with an old lady and she was doing box jumps. Oh. If it's a trainer doing that, I'm going to say something to the trainer. What do you say? Oh, just like, No, you're not. No, I'm not. You're a fireman. I feel like you're such a liar. What the hell is happening? You're right, I don't give a shit. I don't know. What just happened? That's on them, that's on them. It was either a Jedi mind trick or I feel like all of a sudden, all of a sudden I like, I want to do something, but no, I still wouldn't. Have you ever had somebody try to correct your form? Yeah, of course. Yes, dude. That's the funniest. That happened at like Orange Theory one time. I was doing those with the TRX and like fucking like, telling me I need to flare my elbows. Now, this is the most common thing that I see. And this is what I'm doing. A trainer who's asking this question. So the most common thing I see is an overly ambitious new trainer. Yeah. An overly ambitious new trainer who just learned something, right? And they want to go out and teach them, which I don't want to shit on that, but at the same time too, you need to have some social awareness. Yeah. If the person who you want to go give advice to because you think their form is bad is not looking around like they're lost, leaving the fuck alone. But you can see there is a very clear distinction when you see that person who's like, reading the machine and like, you know, looking at their hands while they're doing the exercise. They look lost and you walk up to that trainer and you touch them on the shoulder and you say, hey, sir or ma'am, would you like me to help you with that or show you how to use that? They'll light up and they'll be so excited that you came over. They used to train us to say, I don't know if they taught you guys this, but this is a long time ago. They used to train us to say, when you go up to someone and you want to, you know, talk to them about personal training, you notice that their form is off. You're supposed to say is, excuse me, sir, can I show you another way to do that? Did they teach you guys that? Yeah, yeah. So you're supposed to... So you don't insult them. So can I show you another way to do that? In other words, the way you're doing it, which is that wrong and the way I do it, which is right. Not condescending at all. I used to ask, I used to ask what they're working out that day. Like I would walk, I just start conversation. So if I was a trainer... That's the best way to do it. Now if I'm a trainer and I see shitty form... That's an opportunity. Yeah, it's a lead, right? So now, but even still, so let's take the... What program are you doing? The guys we saw yesterday, right? Okay, those guys, I would approach if it was my gym and I was a trainer there. But I'd be very careful on how I do it. I'd walk up and I'd befriend them first. Hey, what are you guys lifting today? Oh, back. Oh, shoot. How long have you been deadlifting for? Man, that's... And I would create a conversation around it. I wouldn't come in and insult them and go like, hey, you know your form sucks. Can you want me to show you how to do it right? You know, like, that I would not do because I'm not going to convert that into a client. So I would come in asking more questions. We have weight belts over here. You might want to... Yeah. No, I'd come in asking questions. Protect yourself. And if you're not, if it's not your gym, you're not getting leads from it, you know, pay attention to your own workout. Yeah. Next up is John Wilmuth. Many NFL offensive lie men have lost 50 plus pounds within a few months of retiring. What are the long-term effects of force-feeding your body to stay above 300 pounds? Is there a metabolism permanently broken? The last thing that the NFL offensive lie men need to think about in regards to their health is force-feeding their body. Dude. That's honestly, that's the honest-to-god truth. I mean... What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Well, what's the biggest risk that they are encountering playing football? Oh, I get you. Concussions and things like that. Oh, my God. So it's almost like insurance. If you're a lie man, if you don't feed yourself to be that big, something much worse is going to happen to you than what that food is going to do. Doug, while we're talking, could you do me a favor and pull up the life expectancy? Yeah, I have that. The average, oh, is that what you're pulling out? It's like 54. Yes, it's low as fuck. Yeah, so I was looking this... So let's see. Let the Googler do it. Yeah, go ahead. Let the Googler do it. I'm still looking. The Googler. I know I looked this up the other day, though, and there was 500 players listed right now that are over 300 pounds. So it's like the game has escalated to 53 to 50. Everybody's competitive as far as like, you know, how much weight they can put on because they're going against such monsters. Yeah. So it really is like something to be concerned about because, too, the life expectancy for somebody that heavy is pretty shitty. Did you find it, Doug? Yeah, 53 to 59. Yeah. That is crazy. That's super young. But this is for the big boys, though. No, and Justin brings up a good point because, and we talk about, because everyone does talk about what Sal's talking about, the concussions and that's the big fear. Or just the beat down your body. But, you know, I could probably put an argument together that the 53 to 59 is probably more internal shit that's wrong with them because of potentially things like overeating and steroid use and lots of things like that for a long period of time. That may have done more internal damage to them than even like... It's not even that long because if you look at the average length of time that someone plays in the NFL, because that's an average, right? So that's an average of everybody that retires. If you look at the average length of time someone plays in the NFL, it's not that long. It's not a long career. Well, no, now you're talking about average, but those same people are probably the people that drive that number up even higher because they live longer. Because they only played in the NFL for three years. Right, so the ones that play longer it's probably lower than... Well, it's generally like... Three and a half years. Offensive and defensive linemen had a 52% greater risk of dying from heart disease than the general population. There you go, there you go. So that's a valid... I think that is a valid concern. But you know what, here's the... It reminds me of the question where we've addressed before about the Olympian, right? If you were to... We asked... Or they asked if you were... This was a study. Yeah, right? This was an actual study. Yes, if you asked them if they could win a gold medal and then they would die within... In five years. Within five years, like... The majority would choose death. Yes, that's crazy. So most of these guys that are working their asses off to get to the NFL a whole lot... Yeah, they don't care. They don't care. I'll do anything to get there and if you were to ask them, like, hey, you're going to die in X amount of years because you did all this stuff, I'm sure. It's funny because... A majority then would say it is what it is. It's funny because when you're competing in such a highly competitive market, okay? So you can even look at tech. Like I want to be the number one, like tech mogul or whatever. Or football or whatever. When you're competing in a high market... A highly competitive market, I should say. The top people... It's definitely going to skew towards people who are willing to do whatever it takes. That's just the way it is, right? If you want to be the best at anything at that level, you probably have an attitude that says, I really don't give a fuck. I'll sacrifice my body. I'll deal with this later. I'll sacrifice my brain. I'll sacrifice my family. Relationships, family, all that stuff. Relationships, whatever. You know, it's funny. It's like when they bring up CEO salaries, they're like, yeah, does the CEO deserve to make a million dollars? And it's like, he works 120 hours a week. He doesn't live at home half the time. It's a great analogy. I think it's anywhere, right? Anywhere. You just kind of don't care. Here's the thing. I'm playing on the NFL, and I'm a lineman, and I'm thinking to myself, okay, do I want to be 300 pounds and eat too much food, which may be bad for my heart? Or do I want to be 220 pounds and get murdered at the line? Okay, which one's more dangerous? To be quite honest with you, being big is probably more of a safety at that particular point. Well, yeah, and it's more desirable for coaches to recruit. You want to have a big-ass lineman because that's the way to drive the ball forward and you're going against other big behemoths. You need somebody else to counter that. Well, I think too is the game. The end of this too, is there metabolism permanent? I don't think there are metabolisms permanently broken. I don't think... You know what I think is more affected than anything, is the mental space, because I've trained, and I know you guys will echo this, I've trained a lot of X, like D1 high-level athletes, college athletes. Swimmers, or volleyball players, or basketball, or even football, where they were at a very, very high level in college, and then now they're hiring me, and it's 10, 15 years after college. So now they're like 40 years old, they want to hire me to train them. One of the most difficult people to train are these people. Oh, for sure. An ex-athlete is the hardest client. I hated training ex-athletes, because they still... They are way too hard. Their mentality is all stuck there. Not only is their mentality on working out stuck there. So is nutrition. Nutrition. Everything. I remember I trained this female client who wanted to lose 30 pounds, and she was an Olympic alternate for swimming. So she was like a badass in college, right? But this was, I don't know, 12 or 13 years after college. She had a baby, she gained 30 pounds. She wasn't... I mean, when she was training at her highest level, she was in the pool for six to seven hours every single day, right? So she would tell me, like, I eat healthy, and I don't know why I can't lose weight. My metabolism must be just destroyed from pregnancy. So I started having her track, and she was blown away at how many calories she was eating, because her concept of appropriate levels of food was based on... It was very skewed. It was based on when she was doing all that, six, seven hours of swimming, and so I showed her, like, oh, that chicken breast right there that you're eating is 100 grams of protein. That's not the serving for you. She was like, what do you mean? I used to eat this kind of stuff all the time. No, no, no, it doesn't work. So that's the most difficult thing. And even how they train, they train so explosive. Like, you're 50 now. You're 50, bro. We're not going to bench like that anymore. You're going to stop doing that. But when you train someone for... Or when someone trains for 20 years of their life a certain way, it's really hard to be that young trainer who gets you and then all of a sudden it's going to change and break those habits, especially the other mental piece is when they identify with the best shape or the best they ever felt was when they were doing X, Y, and Z. So I'm going to do that again. Right, X, Y, and Z. I was eating like this. I was training like this. And so I know it works. And then try being that other trainer. It's like, oh, we're going to slow down on this. We're not going to eat like that. They're like, come on. Get out of here with that. The other problem, too, is the skewed understanding of intensity or at least pain. So if I'll get somebody who was an athlete 10 years ago but hasn't worked out since, they don't understand that their body, they haven't worked out for 10 years. And so they think, oh, I'm going to work out now. And I know what pain feels like and I'm okay with it. This is just soreness. Yeah, and I'll be like, no, no, no, no. Like we have to start way, way, way, way lower than that. I'm like, but I can do like 50 more sets. Like this doesn't even hurt. Like, okay, that's a point. Well, then you add in to all the imbalances. So most athletes are, I mean, most sports are play, you know, you're either right footed or right arm. Pensatory patterns. Yes, you've created this in these crazy imbalances on your body and you've been able to cheat through it your entire life. And so you don't realize how much dysfunction it's caused in the rest of your body and trying to reverse that dysfunction. Oh my God, nightmare, dude. Yeah, yeah. No, I would say for these guys afterwards, they, the smart ones probably have like a post, you know, career training regime, a post career. Oh, it's crucial. Nutrition. Yeah. It's, it's absolutely crucial because otherwise they could set themselves up, you know, pretty poorly. So. Yeah. Next question is from dining with Dio. Have you ever negotiated for a raise? How did you go about it? Yeah, I'm interested in hearing, you know, I didn't work for any, for, I've been an entrepreneur since I was 22, right? So I've been doing it for a long time, but I know both of you guys worked longer for 24 than I did. And I know in particular you, Adam, you had to negotiate several times, right? On behalf of my staff, not so much myself. Well, here's the thing. I didn't have to negotiate that hard because I let my work do the negotiating. I just had this conversation with Enzo, because Enzo stayed with me while we were in Santa Barbara and he's a young 17-year-old kid. And I was explaining to him that, you know, some of the, some of the generation, and I know this is an over-generalization to say the generation now, right? Because there was slackers when I was a kid too, you know? But it seems like this, we're in this generation now of the instant gratification and they expect to get certain things where I just wasn't raised that way because I didn't have much. I don't have that mentality. I had to work and fight for everything. And I remember when I worked as a kid in high school at the dairy, right? So I worked at the ranch. There was four other, you know, cow milkers and ranch hens, like so we, and we did everything. What's the technical term now? Bovine mammary extraction. Yeah, please. That's what I told the chief. Bovine mammary extraction technician. Made a whole $4. You are a lab coat. Yeah, for sure. You can take it to Carl's Jr. afterwards. Yeah, so when I was doing that, there was four of us and we did everything, right? It wasn't just the milking the cows. There's a lot of other things on the job that we had to do. I took pride in being the best at it. Now, I had no, I didn't love the job. I found a way to love the job. I didn't like, oh, I want to milk cows when I get older. I didn't think about that. It was the one of the only, it was either that or working at a restaurant, right? But when I was working there, I wanted to be the best at what I did. And the best when you're working for someone is the most efficient, which doesn't really benefit me. It means I make less money. It means if I get the job done faster than the other guy, I get paid less. But I didn't, where I feel like some kids think about that and they're like, well, that's stupid. Who would do that? I want to make more money and the whole idea is to make more money. But I thought of it like, okay, well, if I'm the best at everybody, I'm irreplaceable. And that to me was more valuable than trying to make 50 more cents. And inevitably it always ended up getting you a raise in the long term. Yeah, to echo that, and I definitely share those same sentiments, but at the same time, you start to evaluate whether or not you're being valued. So this is something that I would use as sort of, this is the last straw for me. You're not recognizing my talent. You're not recognizing my value for this company. I'm the fuck out of here. And you can give me an offer as I walk out the door. Usually I made up my mind at that point, but there's been a couple of points where a couple of times where companies have actually brought me back and given me a raise. But I mean, that's kind of an extreme example, but I had the same mentality. I'm not trying to get in there and make a case for myself. If you don't recognize it, that's to your loss. To me, it would motivate me. So this has happened to me with pay and then it's also happened like, here's a non-work-pay analogy that's similar is I remember when I got into competing and everybody told me about all the politics. And if I didn't have a coach and I didn't have a team, there'd be no way that I could win. And I remember getting into it and seeing a lot of those things, but all that did was drive me because I thought, okay, yeah, that makes it more challenging because of that for sure, because there's politics involved. But if I'm so good, if I'm so much better than everybody else, they just can't deny it. And I feel the same way about work. There's absolutely some jobs that are not going to value. Some jobs, the CEO's busy and he doesn't have time to think about what you're doing. But that would just drive me to be that much better. I'm going to be so fucking good. You can't ignore who I am. But you also combine that with a high degree of assertiveness. And this is the thing. Because what you're communicating makes a lot of sense, but a lot of people get stuck thinking that I'm just going to be good and they're going to pay me more. That's because they're insecure about how they feel. Well, here's the reality. Because they've done, I've actually done a lot of research on this actual specific subject. And what they very strongly connected, your pay is very strongly connected to two traits. Besides, there's a lot of traits, right? Conscientiousness and there's a few others, but there's also agreeableness and assertiveness. The more agreeable you are, the less likely you are to get a raise. The more assertive you are, the more likely you are to get a raise. In fact, they have to control for that when they're comparing position to position or when they're comparing men to women. And they're saying, why do men make more than women in the same exact position they control the factors? And one of them is that men tend to rank much higher in assertiveness and women tend to generally, because when you go on the individual, when you look at one person, of course they can be either or. But women tend to be more towards agreeableness. And there's people, there's actual coaches that coach people on how to get raises. And one of the things that they coach them is on how to be more assertive. And here's another thing. This is a big strategy, is people who are willing to leave and find other jobs get raises. People who stick and don't go anywhere tend to not. So one of the most effective things you can do is before you ask for a raise, go find another comparative job, get a job offer. Go look around, man. Bring that to your manager and say it just like this. Look, I love working here. I really appreciate everything this company's done for me. I like working for you. This is just something that happened. I don't want to leave, but they're paying me more. Please give me a reason not to leave. And they will give you that raise. You first have to, I had this conversation with Katrina a lot right now because she's established herself in her company as one of the most dominant people in part of the executive team or the management team, right? And I keep telling her like you, and she does get raises on a very consistent basis, but I'm like, your value is so much higher than where it's, and they keep telling you that. You're constantly telling her that. You now have that leverage, but I think you first have to establish that. Assertiveness is important. Yeah, don't ask for a raise if you suck. Of course. But let's be honest. A lot of people do though. Yes. I mean, sometimes questions like this come from that person. You wonder exactly. Yeah, come from people like that. Yeah, good point. Good point. So I was heading in the direction where you're at because you absolutely got to have the balls to be able to say I'm out of here. But the only way you get that is if you've created enough value and you believe you're that value. You have to negotiate from a strong position. Yeah. And a strong position is you've provided lots of value to the company. You're fucking kicking ass and you know it and everybody else knows it. And here's the ace in your sleeve. Get another job offer. I can't tell you how powerful that is. You get a job offer for someone who's offering to pay you $10,000 more a year and you put that in front of your manager after you say I love working here. I don't want to leave. However, I have this here. That could be a great determiner too. If you're not finding any jobs. You ain't that good, bro. You ain't that fucking good. You better step your shit up. That's a great point. It's just like a player in a sports team. You know what I'm saying? And this happens all the time with them. They think they're so good. They're a big part of why the team's having a lot of success. Well, then why does nobody else want you? If nobody else wants to pay that money for you either, you're not that good. You're not worth that much. Yeah, you're not that good. That's actually a very strong market signal because the market will determine, and I love saying this pisses people off, the market determines your value. Now, I don't mean you're not a valuable human. I don't mean you're less of a person or you need to be treated poorly on it. And that's not what I mean. What I mean is in the market, in society, the market determines your value. So yes, I don't care how hard you work at flipping burgers or digging ditches or doing other jobs that are very physically demanding. If the pay is low, that's because there's a lot of people willing to do that job. If you're getting paid a lot, it means that there's a small pool and you're one of the few people that can do that job. However easy or hard you perceive it to do it. So if you think you need to raise and you're going out and looking for a comparative job that's going to pay you more and you're finding that no one's offering you any more money or they're offering you less money, that is a market signal that's telling you like, oh, I was off. I thought I was worth more, but the reality is my value to the market is actually what they're paying me. And that's the kicker when you alluded over to me and having to deal with this and my assertiveness, it's like, well... You don't come across as someone that's not going to say something either. I've always had other options. I've always had it just like Katrina has right now. She's working all these jobs and with other these huge contractors and big deals. And they're always like, hey, would you ever come here and how much do you make? And they're always offering. I'm like, that's your sign that it's time for you to level up on your company that you're in right now. It's like time for you to let them know, everyone else is offering me all this money to work. I love working here. This is what I want to make. And that's kind of how the conversation goes down. Exactly that. I love working here. I'm getting offered from other places to go work there for more money. I want to stay here. I want to continue to perform, you guys, but I need to make this much money. Bottom line. I never understood people would go in. I never understand what people try to negotiate from a position of weakness. And what I mean by that is if you go ask your boss... Can I have a raise? You go ask your boss for a raise and you have nothing in your corner. And he calls your bluff or she calls your bluff and says no. And now you got to leave with your tail between your legs. That's awkward. Have something. Have something. So you could sit down. You could show them. That's such a powerful position. Yeah. If I had an employee that I valued and I was paying them $20 an hour and I really liked him and they came to me and said to me, Sal, I really liked it. This person though is going to pay me, here's the offer. It's $30 an hour. But I'm going to figure out a way. It's much more powerful than someone coming up to me and be like, I deserve more. This reminds me of the show Billions, remember? When they're all asking for their raise and to pitch to him their reasoning. I love that. He should watch that episode specifically. I don't know which one it was, but it's a great episode. Here's something that my ex-wife used to do that used to just make me so angry, right? So she would get a review every year. She worked at this company forever. And I kept telling her like, you should change jobs. You don't like it there and you'll make more and she never listened to me. But every year they would go to do this like evaluation to give you a raise, right? And so they would ask you and people do this and it's so stupid to me. They'll ask you, well, how much would you like to get paid? And people will actually give them a range. Like, oh, I'd like a five to $7 raise. What do you think they're going to pick? Yeah. If they pick anything. They're going to pick $5. Don't give them a range. Tell them what you want. You know what I'm saying? Tell them what you want. I want $7. That's what I want. And then start right there. Oh, no. People do that all the time. Makes me laugh, you know? A good read for this conversation. One is crucial conversations. That's a good book. And then Jack Welch is winning. Both those are excellent reads as far as having these tough types of conversations. Because they can be tough, right? It can be challenging for someone to go to. Especially if you like your boss. Right, right. You know, especially if you like your boss. But that's why I think you go to them and if you're smart though, if you really like your boss and you have a relationship, that gives you more leverage. You know what I'm saying? Just be honest. Right, absolutely. Just sit down, be honest. Tell them exactly what's going on. I've done this before. The short periods of time I did work for corporate companies. I did ask for raises a couple of times. And I would list all the things that I value. I would be very honest. Say look, here's what I like about working here. I like working with you guys. You're good people. I like the location. It's good to be close to my house. I like the benefits. But pay is also very important. And pay is probably one of the most important because I have a family to support. And here's what the offer looks like from this other place. And they're not as close. And I don't know the people, but they seem nice. But they're going to pay me so much more. If you guys can match this, I'd have no reason to go anywhere. I want to stay here. Right, right. And that's a lot of power. And you'll probably get what you want. Oh, 100%. Well, don't fool yourself though either. Like if no one else is offering you shit, you ain't that good. Yes. I get that a lot too. Or these, oh, I want more money. Sorry. You might be fired. Yeah. If no one else is offering you a job, you ain't that good. Dude, you're getting paid in market value like Sal says. I mean, it's literally what you... You know, I have been thinking about this. That's it. Uh-oh. That's it. Hey, this month, maps performance is 50% off. But you got to use the code green50. That's how you get the 50% off. Go to mindpumpmedia.com. Enroll in maps performance. It's the maps program for functional athletic muscle building and fat loss. Green 50 is the code. Also, if you go to mindpumpfree.com, we have free guides that can help you in all kinds of areas. And they don't cost anything. 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