 You will be one of the speakers at the nexus conference on the 14th of November, entitled Waiting for the pork areas. My question to you is, what? Maybe also looking at your life experience, what can you tell us about the barbarians and who are barbarians, what is barbarism? Well, if you are asking me about my personal experience, I have seen the arrival of barbarians when I was four and a half years old in the very first day of the Second World War. And then, a little bit later in June 41, Operation Barbarossa had started under my window, in the small Polish town where I was born and given. I think that barbarism, like the one I have experienced in my childhood, was probably the highest stage of barbarism in modern history, that nothing worth than Nazism has been having. So this is linked, of course, to the fact that I have decided to work on the issues from which I am working. So life and history, history and life are really coming together in my personal experience. Nazism was founded basically on the idea of active superiority and this, I believe, to be the work thing that could happen to a people. And that's the reason why I am doing what I am doing, not only my scientific work, I mean, that's the reason why I am into issues in which I am into it. But this is also our problem in this country which is a very concrete and very strong daily political aspect. So you mentioned Nazism, and now you mentioned your own country, Israel. What do you think causes these feelings? You mentioned ethnic differences. Is that because then, would be the solution? We know all these, all the weaknesses of the Western world, all the weaknesses of Western civilization are founded in denying rationally the power of freedom, the idea that is something stronger, deeper, more profound to human beings than Russia, than his Russia. I think that anti-rationalism is the source of all people in our life, and in our civilization, in our history in the last hundreds, in the last hundreds years. So, continuing to defend rationally, continuing to defend the idea that all people of the world are the same, have the same rights and should be brought to the same level of culture, of civilization, of good life as we experience it in Western Europe. I think that this is basically what prevents us and will prevent us in the future from becoming again victims of various barbarism. History is different every time, so history is not repeating itself. But basically, evil is not understanding that rationalism is the only force that can prevent us from returning to such or another form of barbarism. I have a question. The living under Nazism. How did you survive during World War II? What was your survival? How did I survive? Well, very easily, if I may say so. First of all, it's because I have been lucky to be helped by Poles, Christians, by Catholics, not by Jews, by Catholics. I have been helped and without their help I would have not survived. I think that every Jew who survived in Europe survived because he had been helped by somebody. This was probably the greatest aspect of humanity, people helping other people just because those people were persecuted. And this was based on the idea that all people are the same. Religious people, people who believe in God would say that God has created all of us. I am not a believer, I am not religious. I will say that all people are the same because they are rational beings and they have the same rights and these rights should be protected all over the world and in any situation. When you were living here in Jerusalem somebody attacked you. Why? Well, it was a few years ago because I was and still am and probably will be until the end of my life. He considered as a great enemy of Israeli colonialism all the territories, all the occupied territories because I am considered by some people as some kind of intellectual symbol of all that is wrong with Jews and me that we believe in the equality of Jews and Arabs and we believe that everybody had the same rights and all the people had the same rights. We believe, I believe in universal rights and because I believe in universal rights I do not accept that we have Jews have different rights from Arabs or from occupied Palestinians. So this idea of equality of all people is really the basic element in my political philosophy if you want of ideology in the UJBD.