 Hello everybody if it's Saturday that must mean it's time for another reveal show and It's time to react to it. So here we go. We're gonna talk about everything that came in the Warhammer day Reveal show I'm joined by my normal co-host the guy who's here every week. No questions about it. It's Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends Also joining us again. He's become my reveal reaction buddy. It's Ninjohn John Nina's how you doing there brother? Yeah, there you go Doing well with my wonderful beverage receptacle on this beautiful Saturday morning That is not that those mugs are part of a limited edition run You're one of the few people who has when it was not a lot of those out in the world So there you go. They're rare. They're worth a whole lot. Absolutely. Yeah, so collectors item Which explains why I shattered the crap out of mine and as a and broke it and then eventually retired it Anyways, let's talk about everything on Warhammer day and the reveal show. So let's do some first impressions Tom first impression overall Yeah, dead air great for the great for the audience. Yeah, I mean, I think it like that. It's you know, it's yeah Yeah Nurgle's getting a new book All right, John your feelings Yeah, well first of all all it took was Vince to finally do a video on painting Nurgle and boom you get a Nurgle book So let's put that in the memory bank. Remember if we need a new book Vince, you know what you need to do I Then I'm gonna paint only Skaven models from now on or only slanesh models or something like that like get the stuff That I love out there. Yeah, it's a good point Yeah, my reaction is it's pretty obvious that they're having logistics issues because this was Yeah, it felt like we had a big build up With not a lot of payoff Yeah, I agree. I mean there was some cool stuff here. Don't get me wrong But you know as as you mentioned like I'm excited Nurgle is getting a new book But the reality is this book was originally is late right now Right when they initially talked about the battle tone releases in the original article It was oh and and a new chaos book in October. Well last time I checked it's it's almost Halloween here and That book ain't out. So, you know and again It's not surprising we know that the world has changed a lot there's a lot going on it's tough, right, but yeah, it's You know it's clear that they didn't have probably as much as they would have wanted right so that being said there was some fun stuff here So let's let's get into it. Let's take a look. Obviously. We're not gonna talk more or less at all about any of the non AOS related stuff. So if you were tuning in for the jugati con hot takes This is not your show. I don't even know if I'm saying his name, right? I know he's the white scars guy That's all I know about him. That last primark is what I know him as sure. Yeah, exactly All right, so we had the Shadow Throne thing fine custodians versus Jean Steelers fine The best thing about Jean Steeler cults was me stealing them to make them my cities of Sigmar bikers That was that was the best thing about Jean Steeler cults But yeah, let's talk about the first one maggot kid of Nergal so boom there we go Nergal getting into it Uh, okay gentlemen Let's start out with your Sorry, I'm just grabbing a piece of paper that I didn't grab so I can time stamp stuff. Okay. Let's talk Nergal Tom what do you hope for from this book? What do you expect? What are your hopes your dreams your fear your fears? What do you think my hoax are that? That glotkin is imminently playable. Okay Okay, that he that he has a he is front and center in that army, okay? My it's a five-up word save got it. All right next That's the difference You're right. You're right a five-up word save would make the difference on on fielding him Yeah, it's like the Celestin Prime It took seven words to turn that model from a zero into a hero, right? This model has a word of four plus like Done. No, you're right. I the Fears is that my dear dear friend the harbinger of decay is gone Get out of here. Good He was he was my buddy. He was my he was my soulmate, right? Like that he was my dude and he's and he is no more Also relevant or related fear like I fear for the future of blight kings if they don't give them run one Okay, which I don't think it will because Like they were viable because you had a battalion that gave them red one And there was a spell there were spells that gave rent and so like in this new world Right of super saves sure and like I just I have extreme fears Okay around the viability of some of that unless we get something like a spell that breaks saves, you know like the Like the Trollic spray or whatever that cracks saves off somebody sure like if Nurgle got that which if anybody should get that kind of like decaying rust ability it should be neural, right? If they don't get something like that that's that is Significantly good at cracking armor saves. I think a lot of their stuff's gonna be dead in the water Obviously, they can have some mortal wounds flashes. We'll see And then so So hopes fears and what was the last one? I don't know your dreams. What would be your what would be the thing you'd absolutely want to see? Like your long shot. Oh This isn't a long shot, but this is what I dearly dearly hope for is get rid of that wheel sure Um and and and make Nurgle summoning great again. Okay. Got it. John. What about you? um, I think they're going to Really establish themselves as one of the biggest Anvil armies in an already hard to kill stuff meta Um, and I think because of that The the balance of their power is solely gonna weigh on how much they can actually accomplish what tom is hoping for And that is to have mortal wound output or reliable rend because they're gonna make it so you can't do a whole lot against them And even if they don't have a high damage output if the summoning is really good They can they'll be able to control the field and you can't budge them So it's going to be really interesting How they fine-tune that balance because this is an army that could either Go far bottom on the fat middle or it could be extremely powerful because you can't touch them really So i'm interested to see how it plays out Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, I can we talk about the best thing about the Nurgle book, which is uh this dude killing a Luminath realm lord on the cover. I'm excited about that. That's a that's a great choice All covered like, you know the covers often have like, you know the force in question Fighting and killing something else. I just think it should always be Luminath from now on just various elves dying And that would be great. We're trying to get into the zeitgeist. Yeah, exactly. It's what we all feel um, you know So hold on let's talk about what they told us in the article. Okay, okay So they mentioned that there's a new allegiance ability called diseased, right and they talked about it a little in here, right? and so Basically if you take damage Uh from diseased weapons, which I assume it's just going to be something that's around that a lot of people have And then it puts like a status effect on the unit that you know in each hero phase roll a die on of this They take d3 mortal wounds like something like that will be the effect, right? Yeah, and it'll be like it'll be if you've suffered wounds from a diseased weapon and most of the you know Most of the units will have diseased weapons, right? and spells will trigger that as well and so on and so forth and So I I think when you look at that allegiance ability that tells us that yeah, the wheel will be gone because we know they've they've like simplified Allegiance abilities down, right? And made them more straightforward and the wheel was pretty The wheel was pretty I don't know like it was something it was something that's what I'll say I'm sure they'll keep their trees Because I think that they're not going to get rid of a model So they'll they'll their battle traits or their battle allegiance abilities will be like this diseased thing The trees and the associated summoning and there's your allegiance abilities right And then the sub factions because they'll they'll put the sub factions in here like chances are the All the sub factions that were in wrath of the ever-chosen will now be an allegiance ability, right? And They also mentioned right here that Facing off against an army dedicated nergal should be daunting and now it feels that way The various plagues and contagions have more impacts and the troops are just as hard to put down Even more so if you bring along their most powerful demon the loci of fecundity Which tells me that that yes, they do want to very much touch glotkin Uh, they do want to make him a centerpiece that actually gets used That would tell me that either he himself is tougher and or spreading healing to nearby units and or restoring things, right? And that like they clearly want to make him if if they didn't mention the loci of fecundity thing Like loci has a specific meaning In warhammer terms and it's something that it's like I said, I'd be eliminating around it, right? Yeah And fecundity says to me like you're tough and or you're healing and or both if you're near this guy And so I think they'll aim to bring him into the army in a big way. It would be interesting if they Just 86 the robbringer or the whatever the whatever would not robbringer. Sorry. Um the Your dude there. What's his name the harbinger harbinger. Thank you. Yeah You're saying and he projected the yeah, they gave it to him They just like and and made it so it's not a command ability because we know they also love like striking command abilities off now So now it's just a thing on him, right that he has this loci of fecundity That's like a five up to people near him and like let me just point out that like That's the trend that we're expecting, right? Sure is the removal of command abilities and Nurgle was blessed with like a lot of very usable command abilities that like made your army like bonus attacks Off of the the guo that that do that paired well with like drones Sure The the harbinger five up wards say that they would spread out the bonus attacks off of glotkin for all the mortals um The reality is is that there was a lot in the army that functioned and off of the engine of command abilities And all that's going to be gone Yeah Maybe like not necessarily. Well, we've seen that they can do it Abilities. Yeah, exactly. They could end up as some of this could end up as enhancements Like we've seen already two different implementations of that, right? So who knows how they're gonna gonna do that I don't want to I don't want to over Predict right based on what you seen because like stormcast it's an enhancement you choose and it's a once a game ability For iron or you know for the iron jaws are that is to say for the oryx It's just a thing You just have a thing you just do. Yeah, right? Yeah so Uh, yeah, I don't know the the I would imagine they'll can they'll continue the journey of Stripping command abilities off and then make a choice of either it becomes an always on ability that is either the same or slightly weaker Right and or move some of this to Allegiance my particular guess is things like the plus one attack command ability. They'll just kill that sort of thing Okay, because they already replaced it with the abilities on Slavity and the scrivener and stuff like that right who have sort of plus one attack things or similar types of buffs Right that our command abilities. They're just you pick a song So the plus one attack command ability is always like the most boring kind of thing They they probably want to do stuff that that feels more nerdy in there if they whatever they pick so right All right John anything else you would you would like to make any calls on on nergal? I've got one more thing, but I want to see what else if you've got anything else I just wanted to reiterate the the thoughts on the The wheel the wheel of meh Um, and every time that I've played against nergal It just doesn't feel fun doesn't feel fun for them doesn't feel particularly fun for me I hope that they go away from that and then it makes me wonder if that's going to have any implication down the line With idoneth potentially if the wheel does go away Yeah, it's interesting all those people who have those kinds of abilities I don't know idoneth is interesting because I don't I like I get what theirs has a nice idea and a bad implementation Whereas I think if you look at docks, it's both a good idea and a good implementation Um, so it you know, it'll be interesting to see how those change Uh, let's talk about new rottbringer guy, which by the way, I hope this is a trend going forward And you and we all kind of talked about this a little before the show So we've got our new rottbringer sorcerer. I think he's a pretty great model And but I'll get your you guys's takes in a second But you know the nergal range is is pretty nice. I like it's not my cup o.t But I it's there's a lot of newer models in there like the glockin and the black kings and a lot of those things aren't that old Most of the models hold up as being you know, pretty uh You know pretty on par like that is a none of the sculpts feel at all I know I know things like plaguebearers and stuff like that are are Uh, maybe a bit marmite for folks But the reality is I still see people enter like single plaguebearers and stuff like that in golden demon and do well with them You know, I mean it's it's a They're they're models that have a Character to them, right? I mean they're like those models are like early 2000s, right? Yeah, they're they're from the demon refresh in 2006 if memory serves So they're all 15 years old at this point, but they hold up. I mean, you know some things just Some things just hold up. Some designs are just good, right? Um, yeah, john What's your take on the new on the new rottbringer sorcerer guy and importantly are you hooded head? or fly head First of all a hundred percent hooded head the fly head. I don't quite understand sure With the bare chested bare arms kind of thing It's like where where does the where does the fly start and the human end? I don't quite get that but I like the options. We're seeing more of that where it's like Uh, the the peasants have brought up pitchforks and torches of not having customization to their sculpts and so our solution is an extra arm or an extra head And I think that's a decent concession. I'm fine with that I the first thing that I was kind of looking to at this model was Seeing all the things that he's collected from different factions. Yeah So we see the silveneth wings at his waist We see my thoughts are those night haunt candles, but maybe they're not night haunt candles Um And even the thing across his back is not very nergal or ksc that seems more Death so and then the scrolls these guys don't read right they stole these from stormcast. I'm just assuming but Yeah, but overall I think it's a beautiful model Yeah, if you lift the hood is it jeff gold bloom underneath there? Yes Okay, okay, this is just this is this is actually just a before and after of the same guy, right? um Yeah, I mean it like it's a it carries on a lot of the aesthetics. I like a lot of the little touches on this model I think it's nice Uh, I like that he's skinnier, but has like the big pot belly. It's a cool sculpt one of the things that uh Yeah, I noticed in some of these new sculpts that I really really like is they're messing around with different body types Yeah, right You'll we'll see that in the in the the red harvest thing when we get there too And I I'm excited for that like I love different having different shapes of people I guess is what I would say being in the minis, right? Uh, it's just cool to see like them not not everybody be just like Da Vinci perfect, you know iconic man form or woman form or whatever, right? um So I think that's cool This is what they should do whenever they launch a book figure out the models that are ancient and old and fine cast or metal and bad And just remake those great Like if that's what we did because this this guy the the rock bringer sorcerer was like the ancient model for this range, right? It was a very out of date one And then we got a new one man if that's what they do Fantastic like great. I can't now given when it comes to scaven. They're gonna have to remake half the the army But nonetheless Well, I would be okay with that. Why didn't we get a new epidemias? It's a good question. I don't know Uh, yeah, I don't I don't have an answer for you there because he that that is another one Yeah, yeah, like that's I don't know like we just need to get rid of all the fine cast Ah, yeah, sure sure Uh, I don't know. I never liked epidemias very much. So I'm okay with him not being there But the sorcerer felt pretty stable. So at least they hit the the sort of generic sorcerer guy Um, that feels like an epidemia an epidemias model because he's isn't he in 40k as well? He is yeah, like it feels like they could release him anytime as like a Uh special model something something they love doing those kinds of character models On those things, right? And the fact that it's got a crossover with 40k means he could come anytime. So I'm pretty sure in the final outro with the christmas reveal thing that that was him flying towards the moon anyway So we got it. He's on a square. Yeah, he's on a squig now. Yeah, exactly Slight narrative change, but it's it's fine Uh, yeah, so overall cool stuff. Um, I hope to get the book They they say here mark your calendars for december, which is when we expect the battle tone to arrive So that's good. Um, december is a good date You know not like look i'm sympathetic to them. They're going through the like triple whammy right now for their production. It sucks Um, I think they should I mean this is my personal take. I believe they still have their books printed overseas Okay, if if I was them I'll tell you right now I would change my book production and and and whatever contract I had with my producers in I assume china or wherever they haven't done like you can the the nature of book printing now is actually it's gotten pretty flat on cost You can get books printed in the uk or in the us at a pretty reasonable cost And then they would be that much closer to distribution hubs if I was them I would I would spread that out more. I mean, I don't need to tell them about how to run their business But there's got to be some way to like to to do that I think that it would just in the end make their their production of that stuff so much easier. So Anyways, we'll see. Uh Yeah, december for this book cool. Uh, so in time for christmas everybody will get a little little grandfather's blessings for christmas Did anybody feel that the art on the cover is like more impressionistic than what we've gotten before I think they're all pushing in that direction for this edition like it is very impressionistic I agree and like if you look the other ones are the same way Like if you look in the background Yeah, the previous books like A bunch of the background is just on it's half It's the impression of a of a figure, right? Right, right, right, right, which I'm good with like that's cool I like to see these different art takes So, yeah, uh, I'm not sure about this storm cast versus nergal thing. I think nergal is in trouble here, but you know, whatever Uh, the oh wait, never mind. Are they fighting vanquishers? Oh, that'll be good. Um the Yeah, I mean my idea for how this is going to play my my sort of final thought is it feels to me like the the disease battle trait plus the the comment of Being as tough as you would expect tells you everything about how this is going to play, right? It's an attrition force Uh, which means tom will love it because tom loves marching his troops out there alpha bunkering on things never dying and just like slowly slowly slowly killing the Other course of yeah, but killing killing the soul of the other player as they roll dice and do nothing Yeah, so I can't wait for me to hate this book Uh, yeah, it's gonna be great. It's like I which is fine. I wish they would put all the play styles I didn't like in the book in the books full of model ranges. I don't like that's really what you want, right? Uh, so that's a win-win from my from my uh perspective, okay, cool. So yeah Merry christmas nergal in december. All right, so So we're saying that so I just picture that every time tom plays He puts his opponent on the torture rack and then just cranks at one notch Every 20 minutes absolutely until the match is over. Yeah, it's I have just stolen one year of your life Yeah, exactly. That's that's what playing tom is. Yes Vince truly hates playing me when you play nergal. I like playing against you like I like playing your ko and stuff like that I think a lot of people don't like playing. Yeah, it's just they died so quick. I just want to kill stuff, man It's just this is why I play this game So I'm here for All right. Anyways, uh, so dungeon bowl, which is I guess a thing that used to exist. I was not familiar with this. I was never into blood bowls. So I wasn't familiar with the blood bowls other derivations and um But sure Why not bringing it back? I've said before that games workshops main business is not they they say we're a model company Or they you know, they make rules they make scented candles now, which I am excited to know how that's lanish candle smells I got to get my hands on one of those Yeah, exactly. That's that's what I want Uh, so I need I need to figure out where I can purchase one of those slanesh scented candles, but The I've said that the main business of games workshop is packaging up your nostalgia and selling it back to you And this is just like, you know, one more example of that. So sure. Why not? Um, but we're not gonna talk about it even jump the shark with the pure 80s retro aesthetic to the intro of that Which is which was very entertaining. I I like that way more than the actual reveal. It was just very cool. Sure Uh It reminded me being under the colleges and them doing the discussion of uh Of like oh in when I was in college or whatever it reminded me of all of the recent focus on wanting to play in Fantasy games in college, you know, like whether it's the strict saven thing in d&d or the associated magic set Or just like there's a lot of a lot of magic, but I'm in high school slash college stuff going on now And that's that's all I was thinking of it's blood bull, but I'm in college So yeah, it's college sport. It's not professional. It's college. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Um All right war cry red harvest. So First of all, we got the answer to that silhouette Which is this, uh, lady with the ginax this ridiculously ginax Uh, and let's take a look at this guy. Um, I'm not going to play these videos because you know, whatever whatever Um Another big war cry box. They did confirm This is a using the same rules. It's not an updated rule set or anything like that Uh, and all I could think with this terrain is I hope they have new scenarios in here that are longer because a lot of the scenarios in war cry are pretty short And you don't not even start with all your models on the table and I was like, man This is a lot of vertical distance that you got to be climbing and up and around Coming on from the edge of the board So I have to wonder if they'll have like alternative starting positions that are out in the middle of field or up on terrain or stuff like that, you know And will they will they have the game be five or six round games that way people can actually move around this stuff? Um, but yeah, so john start with you on this one uh What do you think terrain spider guys new dark oath people? I'm just going to scroll through them while you're talking. What what do you think of all this? First of all, they need to implement a rule where you ride the log shoot where you put your mini on there And you shoot down so many models around because that's a great rule because they have it you can see here This terrain is like ridiculously big in here. They have like this little log ride for the for the verand juice or whatever The verand the verand metal verand juice. Yeah, good. Yeah um, they okay, so yeah, I think the the train is Awesome, it doesn't feel re like recycled. Yeah, um oftentimes the the generic kiasi beat up scenery Feels a little bit samey same to me, but this stuff feels New so I really like that the idea of like a a mill with this collecting of this nastiness that turns you into marathi or something um The the cover art is amazing. They just leaned in entirely into hero quest Yeah, um barbarian dude on that cover and even the same art style It feels very frisetta this this art style in the front. Yeah, which is great that little baby arm I can't stop looking at it. It's coming out of his ab there His arms his abs have arms. Yeah Yeah, I mean John I completely agree with you and here's the telling part This guy spider guy with his little baby arm, right? He's the leader of that Warband, right? Okay Not conan here Is not to the leader of this warband. It's this the leader is this guy Yeah, right the slaughter born dude And so It just tells you everything you need to know that they had to put the conan knockoff on the cover, right? Yep, yep The art direction guy was like no, no, we gotta have the codan guy out there We know where our moneymaker is right and he's also the in my opinion the coolest looking Model in this box first. Whoa Okay, okay, so you're saying conan Is the is your model of choice? Is my not conan. Sorry. Yeah No nan is the model of choice Fakor Uh, I okay, I wasn't a big fan of when they revealed four armed spider man Um, I don't hate him, but he doesn't grab me However, the rest of the people many of the other scopes in this warband are very cool Yeah, I was very impressed with them And then it goes to the the dark oath group Like I struggled to find any of those scopes that I don't I'm not like a solid seven and a half on a ten on meat as a minimum So, um, they really are feel like the generic Straight out of conan straight out of he-man kind of style and I'm all for that. So Yeah, I mean, we're getting savages, so we're getting savages here Yeah, I'm sure this is going to be even more expensive, but With all that terrain. Oh my god Yeah, I'm getting Tom, what's your take? Yeah, like so I love the so my favorite of the spider folks is the dude that's running Um, and you see his his left foot planted It's the running guy with the left word like offset and turn and like leaning down Like there's just so much conveyed in that in that posture that pose Like I can imagine snipping him off that rock and creating a diorama where he's like leaping off of like A higher area onto somebody like on lower ground like there's just like um, it's I Let me say this I mourn looking at these models Okay, because I love them. Sure But also it's the death of something else that I Yeah, so we should talk about this is this is something we were talking about beforehand, right? So first of all shout out to our buddy paul Of the mortal realms who podcast who was I saw in the chat going insane at all this spider stuff, right? And I think paul your excitement is bittersweet because they had a chance here like let's talk about the let's let's let's rewind Let's talk about the opportunity. Yes They're like we're gonna do a new work, right? Okay, and we're gonna do some spider people Or spider stuff. Okay, so you have a whole faction in the game like a sub faction whatever you want to say of spider things already that's your little spider fan goblets that need refreshed that need refreshed right And they were like, well, are we gonna use the spider fangoblin guys because there's nothing to say you couldn't have spider Chaos goblins, right? That'd be fine, right The mortal realms are wide as this set is showing, right? Uh, and they were like nap Spider humans This just says we had the golden opportunity to redo Uh, like chaos goblins already existed by the way in the in the little scuttlings or whatever from silver tower Like those were chaos infused. No that they were they were destruction like the worst role was destruction But they were warped like I saw it telling vinces like what this tells me is that What that was not showing us the design direction of spider fang, right what that was showing us was the like the design direction of Of the corruption of chaos taking on like Personifications and in like deity form stuff like what we're seeing with this spider god. Yeah. Yeah So that tells me poor spider fang you you're not getting anything anytime soon. You're done. You're done. You're done You know what we saw i'm gonna i'm gonna bold prediction here ready I'm ready. I want to be wrong if tom doesn't hit the table at least once in a show. It's not a show with tom Go ahead. You're right. I want to be wrong here. Okay, but bold prediction is that uh spider fanger gone from the um Bloom spike gets booked when it gets updated. Wow, that is a big swing You just you just completely made paul sad. He's he's coming to fight you right now I I hear the sound of him getting in his car and starting it to drive to your house and fight you What we are seeing right here Was their decision to just go nah Yeah, I mean My take is I don't really like spider aesthetics. I think these are really nice figs They don't but they're not me personally though. I do love the little spider legs as a head Adornment or whatever. I think that's a super cool touch um But I am I love these barbarian guys and like the sorceress lady who's eyeless holding the big eye or whatever in the in the center Uh fantastic again very different sculpted miniature than a lot of the females were used to seeing right um the Uh, I like this girl right here with the giant axe. I think she's cool Uh The I got all the dark oath dudes. I think are good. I honestly it's funny John because I think the the conan guy is one of my least favorite because in the art on the cover He's very action posey and his hair is like Right and in here his hair is just like down on his face. He's just like he's he's emo In the actual miniature, right? He's he's not he's not the worst one. The worst one's the ginger Go look at the ginger again and look at the sculpting of his jaw and his neckline It's horrendous Uh, it looks like he has like a six inch neck Talking. Yeah, the one with the giant axe. Yeah the ginger. Yeah. Well first of all, I think that's a her Is it I think so I I'm not sure but at any rate I mean like, you know, it's that you get one angle of the model. So it's it can be hard to tell right, right Like these are all extremely muscular people. So yes, yes I just like I don't like the neck or maybe the jaw line is too small or something But like the proportions feel off on that model Uh, yeah, I mean I I don't know Fine. I'm good with it. I really like that It could be their attempt to to have a more Feminine jaw line there Yeah, married to like a very very muscular frame. Yeah. Yeah, which is possible. Which is possible. It's hard to say Yeah, yeah, I will have to see a 360 the model to fully To fully evaluate but like the conan guy like he doesn't bother me like everything feels right This other one feels off and again, it may be because it's a feminine model But then like let's talk about proportions then like look at the size of those thighs sure If you notice they all have really super muscular legs all of them. Yes. Yeah, they're clearly leavers. Yeah They're leavers that they're gonna have no problem jumping on and around this terrain. That's right. Yeah, exactly Um, old guy barbarian is pretty fun like somebody who's lived this long, but still is a marauder like that's Loved him. It's a rough life. I love the shield Love you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the shield's good The just the kind of angle the the the muscularity is really nice I like that dude. I actually don't love the slaughter born like the leader itself um The the girl with the axe and the spear. I think is really good The problem is they the paint job they put on her makes her look weird Because they put the dark spot here in the center of the face Right. Yeah, that's tricking like again. They need to watch more contrast Tutorials on makeup, right? Because when they put that dark spot there It shrunk her whole face and it makes her look like she has a teeny tiny little face On on a giant head, right? If but that's a that's an illusion of how they placed the makeup Like all makeup in the center makeup, right? Exactly. Yes If you didn't have these dark spots here and here They they literally put the worst shadows they could on a face to make it look strange um, if you just painted her like with Normal looking I guess sort of coloration Or or war paint on the side of her head or something like coming off of her eyes She would look totally normal um But I actually think my favorite is where she at this girl with the two axes kind of in Or the sorry the axe and the shield and kind of the swing back pose Oh, yeah, blonde hair. She has the the black makeup along the top of her head. Um, yeah Yeah, I I think she's my favorite. Uh, I really like that one So I just I like that kind of pose too. It's open but still dynamic, you know Can we quickly call out the the shaman lady with no eyes? That the eye she's holding is like the size of a softball. Oh, yeah It's a big eye Eye is huge an ogre. That's an ogre eye that she's uh, yeah It looks almost like the eye. I mean obviously this isn't correct, but it looks like the eye from the end of a beholder stock Yeah, right like that's almost how it's painted um So at any rate these are these are great. Uh, I like both sets of models as just one set kind of appeals to my Aesthetic sensibilities a little more that's confirmed by the way to me as well What's that on the next book marauders are done Sure Because because what what just happened here is they said, you know Because we we had kind of suspected right with all the little tribes that we were seeing That like they were seemingly fitting in that same space as the marauders But with this update you now have another of these tribes or you're a generic barbarian, right? Bye marauders like they're done Stop converting marauders folks Yeah Yeah, I would assume we'll just make these and it'll stop being a generic concept and start being like this and i'm fine with that I'm fine with it. Uh, those sculpts are horrible and you these are so much better like yeah great So overall, this is a pretty exciting box that I do agree. It's gonna carry a cost now's the our our favorite, uh Favorite point of the show Guess the price of the box said here we go dun dun dun dun dun dun dun, uh, okay So How much Does this cost we'll do it in usd, of course because that's where we all live so people can convert appropriately How much does this cost in usd? Tom you get first guest 210 210 okay, 210 dollars is tom's guess usd uh john 195 Oh, okay wow All right, uh The okay interesting interesting That leaves me with the final guess as usual. This is price is right rules. Okay. Oh, no So like I could I could guess to 11 and really screw you or something, right? Uh, I think this has so much terrain in it And given what it is. It's an off cycle box. It's not a launch box Right and they always up price these so I'm gonna go 225 Okay, fair They like this amount of terrain Which it seems like there is a lot like there's more than one board's worth of terrain in here like here I think they have most everything set up But not all the scatter but like you have a lot of these big pieces Right that you have the two the different like Mill things you've got the little collection bins. You've got this long Tracky thing with all the verandjus rolling down it. I mean you can see the top board they have set up here You know, this is kind of everything right and look how much of it is off board Right in the in the generic picture. There's a ton of it. It's not even on the board So Uh, that plus the two full warbands. I'm saying they're gonna push it up That's that's my feeling Can I can I take a left turn here real quick? Yeah, man. Hit me. Was there supposed to be a vampire order model for sale? Yeah, the I knock knock or whatever. She's you can get her. I think she I think her you can get in stores as well Because I don't see the website yet today. Yeah, she's not on the website I don't know. I'm sure somebody in the comments will provide you with a link if it's around there, so There you go. All right. Yeah. No, no, it's okay Uh, yeah, I mean they had they have all sorts of little weird deals going today Like a 10 off on box sets and stuff like that and the the new vampire lady and the What is that dominion? Yeah, dominion is only 170 because dominion is a launch box Right, right like and then The prior catacombs box is only 178 50 and that one was 210 when it launched Yeah, I'm saying this is like that's I'm standing behind my 225. In fact, I might still be low um Because I just think with this amount of terrain the off cycle boxes always get up-costed right because their goal is not Their goal is to sell people who are you know keen to to try better who are already part of it, so Yeah So yeah, I think it'll be up and and like I said, we could be low. All right. Awesome But yeah, this looks good cool warbands, uh cool stuff I like I said, I think What I'll be keen to see is what are the scenarios in here look like and things like that. Do they do they fit more to this? Varen spire Thing and that aesthetic. All right Last item Harrow deep All right, so Of course, I forgot to time stamp the middle and when we started talking about that so I got to go back and watch it afterwards But that's okay Uh Harrow deep. All right. Well, this isn't the pirates we were hoping for but it is a pirate Uh, so that's something and everybody was all right. So look I'm just gonna get into this You got the ogre pirate guy. Great wonderful Cool. You proved that you can uh do man-eaters Like let's just go ahead and redo those now. By the way, I do want to shout out charles alexander Who in the comments Said the underworld schedule that somebody like somebody had predicted that this was what this was going to be And said here's the whole underworld schedule and because it kind of spoiled it So the next one is a sort of necromancer and zombies a sort of frankenstein type of thing malaria and elves scaven witch hunters There you go that that's the order Okay Yep, so that would make your On the roadmap, right? We knew this was a piratey thing because we saw the flag That would make the next one the necromancer and zombies and then malaria and elves and then scaven and then And malaria and elves dropping here seems to point towards what we've suspected Which is the other rumor we had next summer. We have An event leading into malaria's entry into the realms. Right, right. Yep. Exactly So this ogre dude is super cool I think he looks great like love him. Love him. What a wonderful sculpt so characterful really great design Can we just go ahead and do a whole unit of managers like this and give them new rules while we're at it? That would be fantastic. Thank you Um, you know my favorite part of this whole model is sure what's that? He stole the grunt stock captain's Double barrel rifle from the thunderers sure Like that is a ko rifle and in fact if you zoom in on the barrel You'll see the dwarf head Right there on the like the action thing right behind the barrel. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. He's a pirate Pirate he's a pirate things. That's a rifle. That's in it. That is a dwarf rifle that he has is a double pistol Great and while he was at it he drilled out the gun barrel. He did. Yeah, that's right Yeah, you made sure that was done We have the technology. We have the technology now But of course everyone is talking about these two figs, which is little anchor bearded Noblar and monkey with a knife Uh murder monkey murder monkey murder monkey knife monkey. Look look. Okay folks We got to have a we got to have a little come to jesus on this Every time they make these figs everybody's all down for the little creatures and like I get it. We all love cute animals Yeah You know it was the crab and and all this kind of stuff right now. It's the monkey The the problem with this is gonna be If we keep this up They're just and maybe this isn't a problem. I maybe some people are like, yes, fence. We agree. This is what we want They're just gonna stop making regular human figs and start making it's just gonna be like dungeons and doggos all the way down Right, we're just gonna get creatures Like armies and warm Yeah, we're gonna get an anthropomorphic dog army I would look I'd be down for some lupin or something, right? But that's not this is just me a dog No, no the anthropomorphic is the wrong part. The crab is just a big crab. The monkey's just a monkey They're not anthropomorphic Okay We're just gonna get a bunch of normal little creatures and that's what it's going to be like our next next season's leading warband will just be like a dog a cat a penguin and A hyalopterus or a lemur Yeah, there you go. Yeah Yes, can can we talk about how adorable that the the the grot with the anchor is and it's a little Goatee like Or i'm sorry the noblar Um, he's fantastic. I loves him like with all that John what's your take on all these guys? Um I had a moment of Of sadness as we have gone through this pirate yo-yo of emotional turmoil now for a year for a year of the excitement of vampirates And then the letdown and then the excitement that pirates are yet to come And then it's no it's just one warm hand. No Uh So I had a moment of oh no um But this ogre I love him because they didn't cover him in chashkis. He's he's got stuff But he's not bojangles on bojangles, which is their typical protocol Um, and so he's got a lot of space from a painting perspective Uh, he's got a lot of canvas to work with so I really enjoy that. Um, I dig the The noblars. I don't quite under I understand the parrot The monkey's a little off for me, but they're like Hey crab is the most successful model we've ever made so we need to keep going Right. This is what i'm saying. I I I really love, uh, demonic teddy over here said you will get battle-tome beasts Before you get battle-tome beasts of chaos Just animals of the moral realms Yeah, exactly. Yes, uh, so Uh, so they said being the first expansion for heredeep. There are also a few hints as to what's to come They're still on our recent roadmap for next year Now that pretty much all the main factions have warbands expect to see designers come up with some strange new ideas Who knows what we'll see next elf pirates scaven pirates pirates Maybe it could be something truly unexpected And it's such as a warband that aren't pirates at all, which by the way look Hey, hey Article writer you think I don't see you. I see you look. I know that you know That you're doing this because of how much we talk about pirates and get this discussion going. Okay, right And they just whoever wrote this article. Thank you for watching the show. I appreciate that Okay, it's great. I'm glad to have you And secondly don't toy with us like this man. That's not cool Yes, I want scaven pirates. Are you kidding me? Like a scaven and a little tricorn hat with a peg leg or something like oh my god How can you you you can't put that idea out in the universe and then not not deliver That's that's just cruel frankly Yeah, I mean But they know what we want Uh, I do also appreciate by the way this had a little double star and if you reference the footnote It says join us on the warhammer underworld spacebook page To let us know what you'd like to see next serif on detective agency knight haunt jazz quartet The only limit is your imagination and by the by This is the weird I want Okay, the knight haunt jazz quartet. I absolutely like a serif on detective agency sounds amazing Like yes. Yes. I want this story, right? I absolutely Want their reading stars solving crimes Yeah I like they can solve the future crimes. That's that's before they happen before they happen You've got a I'm gonna here we go. You have a skink in a trench coat with like a fedora, right? And he only keeps two things in his desk, you know one he keeps loaded the other thing keeps him loaded He has like a little vial of some kind of juice from the jungle and a blowpipe Okay You've got his you've got his enforcer Which is like a a sorus bodyguard, right? Who's just like the big tough in like the shirt with the suspenders? You know i'm talking about like the like it's open up here. His sleeves are all rolled up. Yeah He's got a little a little little pack of little jungle smokes Tucked into the sleeve little bowler hat on that sorus like up on the top of his crest Okay, he's got his undercover agent, which is a little chameleon skink, right? Who instead of being in the jungle, he like blends into urban environments. He's like half blending into some bricks You know he's got glasses with the glasses with the fake nose and a mustache. Yes Yes Across the room a little realm crystal shard lights up and it's his angry slon boss And they're yelling at him Ask me about what the where the reports are out on the current case. Yeah, I mean This this yes, I want this Okay And on the night hot jazz quartet also yes Uh kyle nelson said who's the dame that walks in and turns his world upside down Yeah, like uh, I assume a female skink, right just wearing like a long red dress. I assume that's what we're what we're dealing with here She was all she was all legs and crest She just looks like the gremlin that's dressed up as a woman I mean, come on. This is an insta buy Oh my god Okay The night hot jazz quartet There was like a there was a great uh One of the web comics they did Had with with yohan or whatever he was like, you know All the dead people were because because negosh loves turning his dead people into like mockeries of how they died you know Yo dead yohan is like talking to the various skeletons and ghosts and that you can see very evidently the way they died in Silly ways, right? And then the camera spins the camera on the web comic spins and there's a night haunt who has like a goose Wrapped around a trumpet Stuck in between his ribs and he's like what happened to you and he's like, I don't even want to talk about it. Okay and This like that's the jazz quartet right there that they already we can see they've been hinting At the death jazz quartet now just planting seeds And I I see you So we need the jazz saxophone for sure Also, that is hell if you've watched the good place like one of the later seasons when they're like, uh when they're like I When the one guy's like elinor, I'd like to express my love for you with this three hour free jazz Uh Peace and and they're like immediately like nope Nope So that yeah, I mean like I can think of a few more direct descriptions of Eternal torture and punishment that that Nagash could do rather than then put people into a jazz quartet That's forced to play free jazz for for n forever. So Yes pirates detective agencies and jazz quartets is exactly what I want guys exactly what I want We could have this these war bands all sketched out by end of day In fact over Gw give us a call. Yeah, we've I've got your art direction. I'll write it up. I can do some sketches. I'm ready to go We can spin it out. Um, uh, we'll we'll work on polishing some rules suggestions Some concepts that you guys can work on developing 100 and uh, yeah, like we'll get the contract happen Yeah, I give us a call Uh, so yes, um super cool war bands the I do like the ogre One of my one of my things that's sad about underworlds war bands when they do cool or cool ogre sculpts Is the sad part is because the nature of underworlds you only get like one ogre all right, yeah And it was fine when it was the hunter model because the hunter was a hero and so you only needed that With this guy who feels more like a man-eater. It's like oh those come in threes It would have been neat if we could have got more sculpts, but I I do hope this is indicative What was the one What was what is it the man-eater unit that has like a bunch of different types of sculpts? Like they had a pirate previously. So like this is Okay, so this just can replace like this gives us two man-eaters because they already have a pirate man-eater in the line Yeah, the problem is those are old metal and they're they're bad, but but yes Um, like we're we're two out of three ogre pirates now sure now. I will say There are still some other pirate related rumor engines that are not answered by this guy alone Sure, and like I think we're gonna see that with herody like I think we're gonna see a bunch of shipwrecks and stuff like that Unfortunately, I don't think that we're gonna get like our true dread fleets like a whole army or a whole army Not dread feet the dread feet, but uh, yeah the the undead fleet. Yeah Yeah So yeah, that's pretty much the reveals other than the fact that they did Uh, obviously they tease the new holiday miniature, which is the new red goblin Which will be the red gobo on a squig, which is fun Um, so always I always love the little I like when they do red gobo I think red gobo's that they're you know, they're their world's version of of sandy claws as it were of sorts and uh And he's fun cool cool fun little guy so Sad not to see more, but I think that the next year is so up in the air for them you know that uh that they they like it does not surprise me that They I think one of the reasons they can do the underworld stuff You know farther in advance Is because they have to order it so far in advance. It's probably basically already there It's locked right right. It's already been locked. It's already been produced. You know, it's it's on a shipping Uh container stuck in a port somewhere or but they know they have months or it's it's already in their office Right because they have to they have to work so far ahead on those And whereas with the the normal miniatures and books and stuff They they they work a little closer to the date and so I mean still long in advance But my guess is their roadmap for what's happening in aos in 2022 is just pretty much completely up in the air right now And they don't really know what's gonna happen So I I hope we get uh more tomes. I'd like to see some stuff roll out quick in 3.0 Uh, I hope we get to see some more more models obviously, but uh, but this is good It was fun not not a 10 out of 10. This was like a solid six for me Um, so I like I liked what I saw which is good. I just didn't see as much as I hoped but I understand why that's the case I'm not like a four. John. Where are you at? I'm in a four to a five somewhere in there Yeah, I said four and a half earlier. I I'm gonna stick true to that four and a half and I'm not You know just like Vince. I just thought there would be more, but I'm not unhappy with what we got right Yep. Yeah, I don't hate it like and I'm glad that I I'm glad we're seeing the design that we're seeing Um, I wish that nergal would have gotten some updates on some more models like the harbinger of the k needs an update The if they're gonna keep it. What do you make of then? Uh, epidemics needs, you know, like there's a number of updates that I think that you could point to of Fine cast that could could have been done, but in general like I like a lot of what they're doing I like what we're seeing. I don't like that. I it was only one Book I'd hope that we would be getting like aos updates and pairs Um, sure Yeah, I yes like I mean we knew this was always going to be a single battle zone But one hopes that as we get into 2022 we do see the paired updates I do want to say by the way. I I cannot leave without this max benton here put in the chat I'm just gonna read this straight out. I'm gonna read this in the appropriate voice ready I take a drag on my read pipe and turn my eyes to the stars It wasn't supposed to be this way, but now it's the case that drives me when things get this tangled. I know I've got to follow the stars like Amazing that is the opening. That's the opening Paragraph right there of the fanfic. I want to write this is this is the this is what I want to read This is the mortal realms. I want Look, you want more people to sign up for warhammer plus? Have we got a show to pitch to you? That's right. That's right Like all in the war like like light animation like dark. Oh, it'd be so good Uh, let me just also say that this is a great idea for a soulbound campaign Um, this would be the perfect soulbound campaign. Uh, just like the detective agency that we've described so at any rate, uh Any final thoughts gentlemen tom last thoughts? Um, cool. I might spend some money. All right. Good enough John Yeah, well, I'm just happy that we get together on a saturday and get to talk about new stuff that's coming out for warhammer So it's a good day for me. Uh, not where's my giant dragon? In december in december All right. Well, thank you very much everybody for watching. Don't forget to hit that like button subscribe If you haven't already we're always here doing these reaction shows and of course we're here normally on wednesdays doing the normal Warhammer weekly show As always, we really appreciate you watching. Thank you to games workshop for doing this Thank you to everybody who watched share this around hit those buttons buttons hitting is fun. It's a good hobby It's a great pastime Obviously if you're watching this and not already subscribed to ninjohn, which seems impossible Uh, then you need to go subscribe to ninjohn. I'll link his channel down below Your most recent video was super fun, dude. I really really loved it and it seemed like it's going gangbusters I cannot believe you finished that commission. I thought it was going to kill you But yeah, just about did a truly heroic effort And I was very impressed by it by what you created there if you want to see john paint a truly egregious Amount of adaptive mechanics and in one of the most heroic efforts and commission projects I've ever seen go watch a very very good video on that his most recent video on his channel uh, so