 call the meeting to order, it's seven o'clock according to that clock. Public comment for items not on the agenda. Additions or changes to the agenda. The only thing I want to point out is when we meet with Sam and we start talking about budgets and stuff like that. The Cemetery Commission, a couple of Cemetery Commission people are coming. That falls on the budget, so. All right. So, Toby, are you here for Town Hall or? Roads, road. Okay. Go along the agenda, right? Says, road commission and operations matters. And I keep asking, it's really helpful if you let me know what you have so I can make sure there's another time. I'm just delivering some information. Oh, okay. So the better roads grants are due in November 22nd. For next year. For the following year. And I've talked with Dan Courier, he actually called me and asked me to reapply to the two grants that we applied to last year and didn't get. Who knows where? They were the Marshall Road Projects, ditching on Marshall Road, and also the Valley Repair on Marshall Road. So. Oh, okay. So we just need to sign those up. No, I haven't made the application yet. I'm just informing you that's what I think we should be doing for better roads grants. And does CVRPC have a say in helping us get these? No. Not that I know of. These look like different forms. No, it's the same form they've already used. That's last year's application. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me. We didn't get it this last time around. So. We did not. I know that. I'm sure you guys want to know what grants we're applying for and what we're handling. So, yeah, that's mine. So the deadline is in November and you find out like in April or May and then it goes into the next fiscal year. I don't know when they hear that next though. But it's usually in the spring? It's usually in the spring. Sometime. And it would be for that next fiscal year. And usually they're 18 month grants. They're good for it. It's 18 months to finish them. But they usually, you get the notice and then it's in that next fiscal year. Correct. This is for 20, fiscal year 21. Anybody have any questions? Do you need anything from us on these or? No, I'll just let you know that that's my plan. That one is for 18,000 or 21,000 as well. And these are, what are these in kind? No, they're full reimbursement. So we normally do the work and then they give us reimbursement for the work. Yeah, great. Toby, did you take those tires off Robinson's cemetery road? Nothing, no. Somebody might have. Well, I was giving you credit for taking them and maybe it was. I'll take credit. Okay. Nicely done. Okay, and Toby, thank you for your help on the town hall with the steps and whatever else John has said you helped with. Thank you very much for that. You're welcome. Happy to help. All right. Anything else? How's the recruiters ready for winter? Put the plows on. Boom. Boom. They've been on the town hall. Front's on the truck. They're getting the plows all greased up. Ready to go. And the new truck is getting fitted up. It's going into paint at the end of this week for another week. So it should be two weeks away roughly. Maybe three. Yeah. And they put in the septic field at the town hall. Yep. And then we're waiting for the tanks which will come November 2nd. No, the week of November 4th. Oh, November. Somewhere in November. Sometime in November. Sooner. Hopefully, it goes later. Try to be set up before the snow falls. So two questions. There was, I couldn't believe how many pieces of machinery were in East Calus to put pavement on that little section of Moscow Woods. It was like, you know what I'm talking about? They were re-surfacing the interstate or something. There were so many vehicles. It was unbelievable. But that's all done, right? It's all done. It was quick. Yeah. And then the other one was Gargoyles on Jack Hill, Moscow Woods. Yeah, Delphi's been trying to get in touch with the Gargoyle company. He keeps missing out. He can tell you exactly how of that. Gargoyles, the most of Gargoyles that we have yet. Yeah, I keep playing the phone tag with us with the owner of the company, and I'm trying to verify whether we paid for the rail last year or last when we did the project or they didn't have the rusty rail. Yeah, I remember that. We didn't do the job, so we needed to put something up. We put second hand rail to get the job done. Right. And they were supposed to order this stuff, and I've heard from them. So I've been beating the door this fall to try to get them. And I just don't have to hammer them again. Yeah. Well, nobody said anything to me. But before somebody did, I wanted to see what's going on. No, it's on the attendant's door. You can get some rust if you put it on there. Yeah, well. There you go. Good idea. Yeah? And there are various issues. Paint some of that stuff on the attendant's rust. Yeah, I mean, there is an asset that you can brush on there, and it'll rust it up, but it'll be a time thing. Right. And if we already paid for them, I think that we already had. Well, there's no way. We'd have to look at the invoice because how many pieces we bought and how many are actually installed is the main characteristic for the ones that they sell. Well, the issue is that there's two different prices. Rusty rail costs a lot more than the regular galvanized rail. So that's what we got on there. Ken Rodger. So I will move on that. I will be pushing her. Yeah. Now, is your email fixed at the shop? Yes. OK. OK. You have anything else for us? I would just let you know that the paving in these gallons is done. I know I encountered it. I couldn't believe how many trucks there were to do that little bit of paving. Yeah, yeah. Well, they did two coats on it, so it's really nice. Yeah, very nice. And today we put the shoulders in on the edge of the road, so it doesn't break off. So that's all. It should be all ready to go. Good. And has it got the strike yet? Does not. I'll call them and see if they can. It's kind of funny because we're just fairly paid to do that. And then now we have to pay again to. Yeah. Normally, the state does the yellow line, so we're probably going to not have yellow line for this year. But I can get the fog line on before winter. Is there any way to put a white line down the middle? We could probably buy some of the reflective things that you knew into. We could probably put it down the middle. But the plows want to scrape them right off. That's all right. We'll do as best we can. But certainly, we can get the white lines put back on. Yeah, yeah, those are really helpful. Yeah, yeah. Each yield for the town hall is all installed. Wait for them, and some of the tanks come. And we'll install them as well. Great. So some of the things that we've been working on. So does dirt go over the top of that, or does it just sit the way it is? It's going to be pressure tested and flow tested before we recover it. So we can't do that until the tanks are all in and wired and water in there. So it's kind of waiting for the tanks at this point past that inspection. Did the guys have fun working on that? Yeah, it was an experience problem. Yeah, well, it's something different. There's a nice weather. Yeah, good thing you weren't doing it on Sunday. Yes, that's right. It's pretty awful. Anything else? Everything's good at the shop? Everything's good at the shop. I'm kind of getting mixed messages from Ed as our spare. Oh, I mean, about this winter? Yeah. So still working on him, whether he can commit or not. He did hand his key in to me, so that was a shock to me. He did? So then I thought. That seems kind of clear, Alfie. It's pretty clear, but then you talk to him in the next time and he's like, well, call me if you need me or get my mind. So I don't know. We don't have anybody else, right? Dana's not doing it. Dana's took a job somewhere else, so it's not available. There's one other guy that I'm pursuing. Going to get him in and kind of start showing in the ropes. When you work for the state on the highway for many years? From Calis? He's not from Calis, from Marshfield. Who is it? Russell Codland is his name. I know, I've heard the last name, but. Yeah, yeah. He retired from the state, so he's got experience following and whatnot, so, and he doesn't want a lot. He just wants, you know, he said he'd help out. Fill in. Fill in here and there, so he's my next option to look at. But it's getting to that time where we need to get somebody to come back to us. But that's a hard spot. I mean, it's hard to find somebody that only wants now and then. Well, it's nice for somebody who's retired. Right, right. You know, it doesn't want full-time, and it doesn't mind, you know, some hit-and-miss. Right, it gets up at 2 in the morning, so it's too early. Yeah, that would be hard. No matter whether you're retired or not, it's tough. Yeah, I mean, I volunteer, but I don't get a job. Because a young guy like me, it's tough. That's a fact. But he says he's willing to do it, and he's had experience doing it, so I'm going to just show him a little bit and see if we can get him lined up. And I'm still going to keep beating on that because that's just great. He can touch the roads. He knows the equipment. He knows the people. He knows all the routes. He knows all the routes. I can put him on any route. So I'm going to continue to. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, but I think we'll be ready. The files are ready. Paul puts them on the truck. I haven't heard any prediction of snow, has anybody else? There's a little whiff of that Friday night thing in the Saturday, but. I mean, usually if it's going to snow, it's going to be Halloween. Yeah, no, it's going to be a while. Oh, nice. But you've got to be ready. And the same pile is all up for the winter. Same pile is up. So I contract for the salt. I'm going to buy another tank for the magic salt. Or magic. And so they can have it on hand because it's sort of a challenge with just one tank to mix it. This way to mix it as the low salt comes. So one tank will only do three loads. So sometimes you run short. So I'm going to try to get another tank to have on hand. Yeah, we'll be ready. Yeah, I'm sure you will. The new trucks should be along shortly. They're telling me that it'll be ready for paint at the end of this week. And then it's usually about a week to paint. So we should have it. And you've got all the other stuff, passionate things, right? That's what they're doing now is putting them in the plows and the body and all that stuff in. That's the place in the same day? Morrisville. So I went up to look at it last Wednesday or Thursday. Went over some of the issues that they were having, just as far as where to put the levers. So things are moving along quite well there. So we'll be in service for winter. That's the main thing. Yes. Good. I talked to Guthrie a little bit, and he said that if we got into a bind, the truck wasn't here, and we got a little bit of snow, he would take care of the three miles that blocked off for us on the county road. Thanks. We don't want it to take time, so that's sort of returning the favor that we've done for him. Yeah. We've went to Margarita. We've went to my truck, so. Yeah, well, it's good to do more. It works out, yeah. Yeah, it's nice to work together like that. Other than that, if anybody's got any questions, now Toby just told us about the two grants. Yeah. You're going to apply for those. Anybody have any questions or comments for Alfred? I would just observe. I did a lot of driving around the local roads during the foliage season with some out-of-town relatives. And I went through Eastmont Paleo, and Woodbury, and all over the place, and I think the calisthenes are way better than those other two places. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. It was nice to have a positive comment. So, Rod, you came in after I asked if anybody had public comment on items not on the agenda. Is that what you were here for? Yeah, I'm interested to hear the update on the town hall and how that's going. Oh, OK. I just think that towns doing such great work on all these historic buildings, and we'll keep going on that one, too. Yeah, lots going on in town. It's all great. All right, so that's a good segue into the town hall update. And John, take it away. OK. It's actually going well. The wood floor downstairs will be done by the end of this week. The new front stairs. If not the end of this week, by next week, the new front stairs will be done so we can enter the main upper level of the building from outside. I continue to work as a volunteer. And the reason for that is, as you know, Ernie got second and passed. And also, one of his crew members was taken off the job. So a crew of four was reduced, too. Plus, they had no leadership. And things really slowed down, not just because they're only half staff, but because, well, anyway. So I stepped in and started doing some of the work that Green Line would have done. And that was OK. And it was just, the Green Line had two tasks left. And that was the exterior and the interior trim. And it turns out that it was about a week and a half ago to learn that Green Line was out of money. They asked for their final payment of roughly $7,000. But at that Green Line, part of their commitment to the project was to provide materials for handrails, cable rail at the front stair, door closers, lock hardware. And I did a quick estimate of the cost of that. And it came out to about $7,000. So Green Line was told that we weren't going to give them the final payment until those materials were on site anyway. And so without the final payment, there was no money to pay them in the future. So Green Line's gone now. What we do have is a project that can be finished by me and other volunteers. And we have the money for materials. So we're going to get what we expected to get from Green Line for the amount of money that we agreed to regardless of who does the work. So that's all very positive. The building, the work that Green Line did was great quality. Would have been nice if they could have continued and done the interior trim. But it turned out that they're not going to do that. Anyway, that's the way it is. The disposal field is in. We're waiting for the tanks. I'm meeting Tim Morse there tomorrow to talk about handrails to see if we can get someone local to do it maybe even for a better price for the whole stairs of the middle handrail inside and the stairs outside. The vinyl floor will be going in soon. As soon as the wood floor is done, I'm going to focus on the vinyl floor. Boy, that and what's more, the interior trim materials are all on site and prepared, and primed, and milled. So it's not in bad shape. But budget-wise, when it's done, we're not going to come back to the voters and say, because Green Line either couldn't do something or didn't estimate it correctly, we have to ask for more money, that's not going to happen. That's good. Yeah, and in large part, I just want to point out, and you'll see up here this list. And I mean, town is not going to survive or function without all the volunteers sitting in this room. And then some, you don't always have to get paid for everything you do. And this is a fine, good example of how you don't have to get paid for every single thing you do, that it just makes you feel good sometimes to volunteer. But on the other hand, I want to point out on this list, all of these things in red. It has been John largely, in part, with help from some other volunteers. All of these things in red are stuff that Green Line was supposed to do. And they aren't going to do it for various reasons. So John has stepped in. Toby's helped out. There's a couple other people's names I can't remember. Sandy Hyde. Sandy Hyde. Steve Sweeney's come and done what he can do. You can still go met from East Montpelier. Getting people from out of town. I mean, that's what I mean. You don't always have to get paid for everything. Sometimes it's just nice to give back to the community, the community that you live in that you're proud of, just to make things work. But I just want to point out, all of these things in red were things that Green Line was supposed to do. The only money remaining is about $7,000. So somewhere along the way, it's unfortunate that Ernie passed away, and some of this stuff got kind of fuddled up. But it's all good. Yeah, we're getting out of it. Yeah, and we're going to get the job done. So I think another thing to point out is that when Ernie got sick is that John, who was only really supposed to be managing the town subcontractors, suddenly was managing everybody. Right, managing the whole project. So now you're a general contractor too, John. It's already been the end of that. It's 30. OK, put that on your resume. So my resume for my next job, you think I'm going to try this again? No, no, no. OK, going back to the contract with Green Line, and they asked for a final installment, is there, should we have any concern that they will not agree with our interpretation that we've already agreed? And their ask for money wasn't to pay for something they'd already done or material they'd already provided. It was money that they'd need to continue forward with labor. But I made it clear that the material cost is something that, and we can volunteer labor, but I'm not going to go out and start asking people to donate money for the materials. Do we have that in writing, John? No, we don't. Yes, we do. We do, actually. I think that's in our meeting, right. With the bookkeeper, the last sort of conversation with Green Line. Yes, there is a written understanding. OK, and there's written documentation. Yeah, I took meeting notes on that. And this is my book. Right. But it is just the most recent Green Line. Does it say Lisa agrees? Lisa's not part of that. OK, so that's not to be too persnickety, but to your note, saying this was discussed, I would really love it to go that one, even if it means if it doesn't. OK, the select board can talk to Lisa. OK. I'm not. No, it's OK. I had a conversation with her yesterday. She showed up to email. She does not want to get involved in this. She can. So there are other things going on. OK, so she's got a tonus, just trying to keep her family afloat. Sorry, she's passing. She's dealing with other Green Line stuff. OK, so she's out of Green Line, but she's still kind of, she kind of is Green Line. Like the person who's had a lot. She had nothing to do with the business. So what I'm trying to understand is who is the right person to agree to that point? The person's dead and buried. So there was really nobody who was in that. Somebody who was responsible for finding out. There's a business partner that wasn't really part of the construction company, but she was a bookkeeper for Ernie. And she's always been seeing that the guys got paid regularly. And she was the one who was most upset when I explained to her that I wasn't going to say that we were going to give you the $7,000 because we needed it for the materials. We have a letter from her agreeing that this is acceptable. OK, there's an email from her saying that she would like it. The person who was left with the company used it. That's right, that's in writing. Yes, that's in writing. And then Donna's got that in her notebook, I'm sure. That email. Yeah, here you go. So the question I have is, all these items in red, the green line was going to do an unfortunate, so unfortunate of these things. But volunteers, doing all those things, it's one thing to be a volunteer and spending hours there, some hours there, to work 40 or 50 hours a week on this project full time. Don't we have some obligation as a town to compensate some of the people who are doing this? At some point, we're are taking advantage of people. That just seems completely. Well, that's my thought, too. And I've already asked about what might we be able to pay John. I wanted to volunteer. I wanted to contribute part of my fee of architect. Put your hands up. And Donna wouldn't let me, so I'm happy to do this. OK, but you're not a general contractor, are you? He is now. OK, well, I know. So I just think it seems very unjust to me. Yeah, I know. I agree. The whole thing's a mess. The town should find some way to create some equity, treat people fairly, and get this beautiful project done, along with the Kent Museum and the Old West Church and all the other stuff that's going in town. This is the last thing we need to get done to just have beautiful buildings all over town. We should get this done. I don't really agree with that. We can talk about an acceptable compensation when the camera's gone off. Yeah, OK. Well, I mean, the select board has agreed that we can use Andy Feliz. And he may have some time. I mean, he hasn't. He's working, so he hasn't had time to be here. But he may have some time in the next two weeks. So if you've agreed to pay him, why can't you agree to pay John McCall? I don't think we said we weren't. Or that we don't agree. It's just coming up with some funds to do that. And it's a personal matter at that level. Yeah. Because I would say if you have to dip into reserve funds to borrow some money, whatever it takes, let's be fair about it. No, I don't disagree with you at all. Right. None of that's disagreeing with you at all. And I hear that, and I'm heartened because I was a little worried that possibly you guys might not know how much John is doing outside of Denise, of course, and Cliff. But I think it's the scale of what he has been doing. Right, it's not just going a little bit. That is way beyond what normal volunteer expectations should be. And I don't know what that amounts to, but I think some good back and forth between you and John might find what is fair. And I'm delighted that Rod and others see this. And that we need to be prepared to explain what has happened to this project fully and transparently to everyone in the town. And that's the other part of this that I think is hard to explain. But I think we need to look at the whole project and try to figure out what should be expected under these difficult circumstances. And John has gone above and beyond what the rest of us volunteers never even imagined doing. So I do want to talk about it at some point, but I think it is an executive session personnel kind of thing that we really can't do right now. But I really think it's important. And we have some estimated figures, I think, that we can put together. John's time, it's probably not going to be as much as what you would get paid if you were working for Greenline. No, I really wanted the board to think about this and really be there. Where do you want the vacation trip to go? I don't know. It's not going to pass. But I appreciate your support, Rod. Yeah, well, I just think the work is tremendous. I had a tour of the facility with a couple of relatives by the general contractor. Pretty impressive. So it's very impressive. Yesterday at the open house, there was a woman that almost burst into tears. She was so impressed. Really? Yeah. Wow. Wow. So is there anything more on these documents that Donna supplied that you want to review or ask questions about? You've all had time to look at them before the meeting. So we're going to have some reimbursements. And some of them are things that the town should pay for. And some of them are things that should come out of that $7,000 that's left for Greenline. Yeah. But I'll make sure that's clear. Yeah, I'll make sure that's clear so that it's the underunderstands. Yeah. And this is this document here that is 9-11 task to finish. You've got one man, 16 hours. Is this all John's time? Can you help me with that? No. I think what you've got there is if we're going to try to figure out how many hours John donated. John donated literally, except for maybe two weddings that he went to, literally worked from the end of May until now, seven days a week. And I'm not kidding. Seven days a week. I've seen him there. So I think I don't. So you're spending 70 hours a week today. Right. So I'm not sure which document you're looking at. Is it this one? Did you sleep? I just want to have an idea of how much time. So when you read the document, number one, you have to guess. This was when we got together with the bookkeeper, the guys were working outside. And that took way longer than it was supposed to. So I made a list. This is from Ernie's quote from his estimate. Is this what John did? Or can you go through and? Yeah, because the guys, the Green Line Carpenters, never got inside. They were all working outside. So yeah. Because if the board talks about this and. Right. John did. All of this, John did. All of this. All of that. Because they never got beyond this. They never got beyond collaborating, right? No, they didn't. So this will help us to figure out how many hours he worked. And if we come up with some compensation, we can justify it. Anything else you want to say? And it is true that John was doing this for Ernie, Lisa, and the Calis Taxpayers. Yes. But there's a limit. It's my vibe. Two people's generosity sometimes. Well, thank you. Anything else? The board has questions on. Thank you for not one-diving us. Thank you. Anybody else want to say anything to Scott? It should start really looking more and more finished. It's very clean now, because there's volunteers on Saturday clean for the open house. That's right. It's beautiful over there right now. I must say I've been in touch with some of the people on working on Memorial Hall, which is kind of a similar project. They are so jealous of us having John and Donna. I'm sure they are. With all their money. They got tons of money. But they would trade that for what we have. Yeah. I mean, you can't. We are so fortunate. We have been so fortunate. The heart and soul is what I say in this, Donna and John. And it's meant that instead of coming to a grinding halt with that terrible, unfortunate thing that happened, which would have been, I mean, everybody would have thought that was normal. Things kept moving. Yeah. We're going to be finished. This is amazing. When do we expect we will be able to start using it for meetings? Realistically. I mean, even me and the volunteers were not real. They're carpentry crew. I wouldn't expect a certificate of occupancy from the stage of some time in December. OK. Yeah, the electrician still has to come in again. And we've got to get the elevator thing working. The elevator is easy. We're going to go together parking lot to the entry. The site work is needed to make the handicapped accessible, the gravy, and then the septic, of course, and facilities. We have some decent work here. Right. Forget about that. We'll end up with 12 inches of snow in a couple of days. Oh. Don't even say that word. And thank you, Alfred, for the time you're willing to be on me. Well, I'm here to help. So let it go, so I see you. All right. Thank you. Anything else? Thank you. All right, thank you. Thanks very much. Thank you, everyone. I've not met a few people that would be given a job here. So that's just unbelievable. There's no words, really. Yeah, there's just no words. I mean, not only does he have the time, he has the time. Yeah. That's a special. We're really lucky. Yeah. All right. You're catching up. I said you're catching up. All right. All right. Miss Sandra. Yes, I want to talk to the office staff already. I want to really think hard about something that we can do that's meaningful and long-lasting to say, John and Donna, for their commitment to getting that project done. I mean, I don't think really any, not even me who's come to like almost every single town hall meeting and been involved in the beginning. We all think we really have a clue how much time that they have put into this. And then already passing on top of it, just complicated things. It's been really challenging. The first time I got a pilot, I was out there working at John's. Yeah. I know. I know. It's just unbelievable. Somebody's willing to download that much time. I'm going to run down, but I saw him. Yeah. I mean, some people, you know, would be like, no, I've got to have $2,500 to do this or that, because I've already donated this much. And he's not doing that at all. Not at all. So Miss Sandra, are you ready? I just need to kind of get my, thank you very much, everybody. You have a notebook prepared by Sandra and Barbara with some schedules in there, post deadlines. There's a version of the budget where there's been some numbers put in, just as placeholders, because we know approximately how much things are going to go up. We know how much it's going to cost for the audit to go up. So they're going to keep us updated with our little notebooks and see if they can get us to do that. I think that's a great idea. So how would you like to do this, Madam Treasurer? Would you like to do just the update kind of where we're at right now? Yeah, let's do the, is that this one? Except you have a report. Did you have one quick? A little quick on the screen. You want to go for a guide? Thank you. All righty, take it away. So in September, our tax effort began in earnest. And our revenues are well in excess of what was budgeted because of this well in the Treasury due to the tax collection effort. Ultimately, that money will be booked over to an account liability line because it's due to the school. And you'll see that in October. I saw the school tax bill. Yes, we're paying that today. And that's short because we had to link with taxes. Our expenditures are on target. We are beyond the 30% point. But that's largely due to the fact that there are a one time expenditures that are front loaded into the fiscal year. So there's nothing in the budget that stands out in terms of expenditures. Highway revenues, we have booked all of the budgeted tax revenues due to the highway. And they are pretty much at budget for revenues. We're waiting on state aid that will complete their revenue picture. Their expense picture is on target as far as I can see. Again, there are front loaded expenditures that are one time that do skew the budget a little bit. It looks like we're over budget, but we're really not. The lease on the 2019 international has closed. We didn't receive it in September, but the town fronted the purchase price from the capital equipment fund and it has been refunded to us as part of the lease. It goes back into the capital equipment. Yes, yes. So again, your balance sheet is a little bit quirky because of the swell in the operating fund of tax monies. We had a boatload of money in the checking account, well over $2 million. The liability number in September does not reflect what we owe to the district for taxes, which was $1.4 million. Again, you see those adjustments coming up in October and November when those bills are due. The one in here is for like $1.3 million, right? Yes. That's only partial? Yes. As of September 30th, there was $192,000 outstanding on the first tax installment. So at the beginning of October to get this money in, I sent bills so they would get a bill for the first installment plus the interest at .5%. That was charged on that for the payments being outstanding. So that was done in October. Do we have a school district interest? No. Your taxpayers who didn't make their first-tank payment correct by the end of the grace period. Your delinquent tax report is really good. The current amount of delinquent taxes is $14,700 and some change. But that's from... That's 2018. 2018. 2018. We only have delinquent taxes from 2018 and they are $14,700 and some change. From FY 2018? FY... We are collecting, this is FY20, but we're collecting 2019 taxes because they're due in 2019. Okay. So it's FY19 and it's 2018 taxes because they're due in the calendar year 2018. So of that balance, $7,100 has been turned over to Attorney Gloria Rice for collection. And I anticipate the remaining delinquencies to be collectible without further attorney involvement. So roughly another $7,000 will come in. So just to... What's the attached report? The attached report... I don't know why Greenline is sitting there. I think it fell off the back of somebody's... I think it fell off the back of somebody's sheet. Anyway, there is a backup to this... I sent a separate attachment that is the backup to this report. It's many, many... It's 18 or 20 pages long, so it seemed... But we can look at it online. No, we may not need to. I was looking for it here and I couldn't see it. So it's a separate document. It is a separate document. It's in your Google Docs file. It's in the $28 Google folder. Okay. So just so you can have an appreciation for the collection of delinquent taxes. At the end of the tax effort in 2018, that would be November 29th, there was almost $176,000 in delinquent taxes. So between that time and September 30th, I've collected $161,000 plus of taxes. We are a titch higher percentage-wise and outstanding taxes for the first payment this year over last year. Hopefully that will just shiver out in the end, but that's where we are with that. Any questions? Very good. So really quickly, your budget notebooks should just stay here because what will happen is this, you'll have your alpha budget, which is in the last tab. It says V1, that's version one. And what I did was actually, for all intents and purposes, complete the budget. And what you have is essentially a budget with every cell filled, not that I am setting those cells, but most of them are flat lined or reasonably anticipated increases or decreases. For instance, interest payments, as interest components of payments go down while the principal stays the same. So you see some fluctuations that are real. We'll see that this budget, as it stands, is roughly a 3.6% increase over last year's budget, as it stands. Some of those costs are things going up in price, like the audit, for example. Well, the audit is a $500. Right, but I'm going to say that we don't have a lot of control over the cost because it's just as what it is. It is cost go up. So, again, this was not meant to do your budget for you. You certainly are going to be doing it for yourselves, but it is a beginning point and you can then take a look at your various committees and commissions and plug it in. And what I think would be very useful is if you make any, but as you go forward with your select board meetings, as you make those changes, hand them to me, I will key them in, leave your notebooks, make whatever, they have your names in them, make whatever notes you want to. And when you come back the next time, you will see the budget in the next tab that you, the budget changes that you made the previous meeting. That way you will have a history of your budget development from time to time. And as Sandra, I met with Sandra to go over some of this stuff on Thursday and she pointed out that where are our loans, where are our loans on there, Sandra? The town loans are at, whoops, page six or something. Or on page six. I wanted you to, because she pointed out and I think this is good for us to see when some of these bonds will be paid off. And we have an FY22, the deficit loan will be paid off, but that means that it's paid off in FY22, which is July 1st of 2020, right? No, at the end of FY22 is June 30th, 2022. So that would open up roughly $60,000 in the budget for FY23. That's two years away. So I just think it's nice just to see, we're making progress on some of this. The town office bond, FY25, which means FY26 and so on. The renovation loan for the town hall, same thing. FY, last payment is June 30, 2023. So going into FY24, that's paid off. So I just, it made me feel good to see that things are, kind of like when you're more, you're just getting down. Paid off a little by little. What, the point in this is to help the board, I think, try and, you know, I'm here collecting taxes day after day and people are very excited about the town hall, absolutely. And so we hear all good things about that and that's a great thing. But as we're collecting taxes, we also hear about people's feelings about their taxes and so we hear real stuff and a lot of it is coming from older folks on fixed incomes who are really struggling with figuring out how to manage increases that exceed their increases if they even get any. So I thought that I could, and working families trying to, you know, work in two and three, four jobs, sometimes between a couple to just make ends meet. So I thought it would be of interest to the board to see where things will fall off and any long-term, large expenses where they may be able to be plugged in without the budget really getting jacked up year after year, just a thought there. Did you put in a placeholder for the increase in health insurance? I did. And that is an actual number, by the way. So health insurance is on page nine. That's for the highway, right? That is probably for the highway. But it's the same percentage increase for everybody. Yes. So what you see on page three, general government, you'll see the projected... About three quarters of the way down. ...medical insurance sale. It is up by $6,085. And what I did with that is I maintained the status quo at this point. I mean, the current plan. The current plan that we have, I simply maintained it. I maintained the employee's share of the contribution. The HRA went up a ditch. I showed that dental. I projected they're kind of on average going up by 3%. And that is all in that cell. Same thing with the highway. How do we go from 12% to 3%? 12% of what? No, the number in my head is that health insurance is going up 12%. But it isn't up 12% across every plan. Okay. So it just so happened that this... So that's like the press release from the state. It's not what's applied to us. Got it. Well, and I had sent an email around which nobody responded to to see if we wanted to get Kelly Avery from VLCT to come in and talk about health insurance. I was going to try to set it up for this meeting, but nobody got back to me. Well, I had... There's a new plan called the Blue Edge Plan that Blue Cross Blue Shield was also pitching. And I had them do a quote for us. And it just was higher than... Even more. Even than this. And Kelly made a very... Kelly Avery. Kelly Avery, yes. I didn't toss it, but it just was an outrageous premium. But these numbers are based on the coverage sheets. So obviously things have dipped depending on your plan. They have gone up. The plan that we had because there are other conversations going on about benefits and salary, I just went across the board and kept everything the same without any further conversation or... But wasn't it last year we made a change? Didn't we make a change last year based on some good advice from you? Well, yeah, and Blue Cross Blue Shield. Last year we went to the Gold CDHP plan. Our costs were contained. The premiums were lower. And we saved money last year on switching to that plan and also adjusting the employee-employer contribution rate. But again, I maintain that in view of the context that the board finds itself in at this time. But you maintained it, but you increased the budget line assuming that same plan with an actual number from Blue Cross or what that increase is. Those are actual numbers. If you went across the board, that number would stick in that cell and not be changed. So the premiums to go down by 15% on disability? You know, I wonder about that. Our premiums have gone down. And I can't help but wonder if they've been adjusted as people age. I really don't get it. There's no explanation. What they already have gone down is what I think. But it's a relatively small number. So the 15% is pretty small. So that brings me to a question on the invoices that are in the folder. And I was going to ask you about these. It says Blue Cross Blue Shield. And then it lists like $64.56 and $193.91. But what is this? $7,755. What is that? Oh, that's the town's portion. That's the town's portion of the premium for the month. For the month? Yes. That's for six people. So that's the town's portion. That is factored into both of those cells. So as payroll occurs, the system automatically... So then what are these little amounts? Those are the employees' contributions. Okay, that's a lot. Do we have this in Excel somewhere? I do. That's a PDF. Right, that's what I figured. Yeah, I'll be working with the Excel sheet. We don't want multiple Excel sheets floating around. It's really dangerous. There's too many cells. No, I understand. Well, okay. On the other hand... We're going to leave these notebooks here. Sure, but we don't have the tools that we need to, you know, in real time, play with configurations and see what the impact is. I would like to see a column that shows the percentage of increase so that we can... That's an eyeball that I think is important to pay attention to, even though I understand some lines are small numbers. But as we really get into the... Can we add a column? We can, but then your comment column... I had that column and I took it out because there was no room for your comment column, which you guys refer to very frequently last year. Sure. We don't even know if we span the... I mean, we can. It just makes your... It just takes up room. Well, I think if it's helpful to board members, then maybe... I can do that. We should do that. What I would say is this is... Again, this is your alpha budget. You haven't even worked with this budget yet, so you don't have anything to add or subtract or change or have any configurations that you're going to be working with. You haven't met with your commissions. And as you add your numbers in, then I can send you a live spreadsheet to fool around with. But at this point... Yeah, that's not the issue. But this is just kind of like... Just to get started. Just to get started. Right, eventually. I mean, we did get to the point where we were playing with numbers in real time last year. Yeah, and we needed to be able to see the impact. But if we could have just... I mean, I wouldn't take maybe five spaces to get a percentage. Oh, yeah. I did. And it just made the comment section so small I pulled it out. Yeah. I just did it as a call. I can put it back in. Is there any way... I'm sorry, because I know you put so much work into this. I'll say it. Really appreciate it. We have a header on every page. Yeah, I did that, too. Okay. That's why I was going to say that. I did that. You just see me writing it in on everyone. Like, why am I doing this? Your next loaded... Some of it, yeah. To freeze frame. I know you haven't talked about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I realized it hadn't carried... I thought I had just framed it. I printed it. I made the copies. And I wrote back. I made the adjustment. We're good to go. We don't want to waste all that paper. No. Actually, I really did. It's not a waste. It's really helpful. Your next one will have it. I swear, and it will have your percentage. Thank you, Sandra. Thank you. Yeah, I definitely agree. Having the percentage column is helpful, as well as the header on every page. The other request I would like to make is, can we have a page nation like you have in the General Ledger? We'll say page 3 of 11. Oh, I think it will do that. Yeah, it should. Page 1 of... I can select that. I can select that. Yeah. Sure. Thank you. No trouble. So the overall budget then, the overall budget with some of the stuff that you've put in is 3.6% increase. Yes. And by the way, I do want to say that the numbers in the highway section are actually... That is their... Yeah. Because nobody... No time for those. Toby gave you those, right? Did you work on it with Toby? Yeah, you should. Okay. So that is actually their submission. Okay. I'm not specifically asking that for that. No, we said not for salaries and benefits. I think that... That they could be working on other parts of the budget, like equipment and... Okay. And so... Because some of those things you didn't really know. And so the increase that we're seeing doesn't... Oh, every cell is spilled. No, not salaries and benefits. But it is filled for purposes of getting a flavor for what he's thinking. Yeah. Yeah. He ignored our request. Oh. Yeah. Notice that. Well, that's what I'm seeing here. I had a question. On page 11. I just wanted to say that out loud. That's really under the... Yeah. Capital expenses. Is it possible in the current... Before we move on, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. I told you that because... Okay. So we don't have to come back to it. We just need to say out loud that the select board specifically requested of the road commissioner and operations manager and the town office staff... Not to fill this in. Not to get ahead of our process around salaries and wages because we don't want to be caught in a situation where there's an expect... An externally created... Expectation. Expect... When I say external, I mean external from the board. It seems that we have that. And so we need to say out loud that this... I'm really... This has no... No, it means nothing. Right. I'm really frustrated that the director that came from the board, and you can put this in the minutes, the director that came from the board, that I put in an email and CC'd all the board members, office staff, highway staff and said, specifically, do not do this. It was done anyways. Okay. And now you can make a point about it. Is that enough point? Absolutely. Yeah. It's really not okay. But that was ignored. Specific request and direction. Which we do not do very often. But he's not here after school. No, but it's in the minutes. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, Rose. Okay, Rose. I didn't lose my thought. I know my pen there, so... On page 11, under capital expenses, those are the heavy equipment payments and whatnot. Is it possible, on the right-hand side, under the comments to say when they're going to go... Yeah. Yeah. When they're getting on. Sure. The highway has been artful, I have to say. Yeah. Artful. Oh. And managing there's an artful. When one payment goes off, one payment goes on. Right. And bumps in, you know, there's a $1,500 difference between FY20 and FY21. A lot of that has to do with the fact that equipment just costs more over time. But they've done a very good job. Yeah. The capital replacement fund is like that. And when that one's paid off. Yeah, I can do that. It's not too much of a bother. It isn't. It's not. Okay. This is really, really helpful. This is very nice. Thank you. Very nice. And I can't promise you I'm not going to take mine home. But I'm here. But she's here all the time. Right. But you're here all the time. The only reason is I want to be able to update it after your meeting. So what you would find is I think you have eight meetings all together. You have, it just so happens, there are eight tabs. And so if you make changes, for instance, to the budget tonight, if you strike this or add that, or you actually add a number in, then your next budget, when you come in the next time, you will see all of the changes that you have just requested stylistically. But you will also see your numbers change as well. So like tonight, when we're meeting with cemetery, we can talk about their budget or concertation when they come in. You'll mark it up. You'll hand it to me. And I'll make those changes. And then I'll put it behind a tab that says it was from that meeting tonight. Now, we want to hear from John about the cemetery. But I did want to see if anybody had any further thoughts, questions, ideas, comments. In the, it might be helpful if we, in the select board section of the Google Drive, we created a budget folder and populated it with this calendar. So the select board can refer to that. Oh yeah. Sure. Do you, who does that? I think I can help you with that if you want to. I have, and I wonder if we should have access that. I don't know. So can, and also it might be helpful to have a Google folder that's just FY, what are we going to be in FY 21? We're planning for FY 21 to have a folder that just says budget FY 21. Select board so that any of us can go into that folder and see, you know, where we're at, make comments. Can you create something like that, Katie? Yeah. And Sandra, do you know how to put the documents in there? No. Okay. Yeah. She takes care of all that for me. Katie is a wonderful woman. She does that. So you want it in the callus SB agendas in minutes, or do you want it extra long? I think we should have a separate folder. Okay. So do you, I mean, it's up to you guys. I don't really care. No, it's just what works for everybody. That's what works. Does that work for everybody? That way, anytime you want to look at budget stuff, you just have to go into that folder. You don't have to go from agenda folder to agenda folder. So if you go to the Google drive where you see the select word agenda, there is a budget folder. So we can create a sub folder within that. It'll be, maybe we can clean it up and Katie and archive old stuff and then have a folder for 21. 21. Yeah. Because I see 16, 17. Right. Just dump it all into an archive folder. Right. And then we just want to be looking at FY 21, but it will also be handy probably to go back and look sometimes at previous budgets if we need to. Could you send me, could you share the budget folder with me because I don't currently have access to it. Okay. And then it'd be better if I create the folders within it so I can move documents within it. Okay. I'll give you the full access. Thank you. Thank you. Do we want to do Sullivan and Powers contract right now? Or do you want to let John, Samantha, go ahead. Do you want to go ahead, John? Shall I go? No, no, no. Are you done? No. Okay. Because he's going to give us some budget. John. Okay. Is Fletcher or anybody coming too or just you? I don't want the rest of my collection. I don't know. So your budget, it would be in transfers out. Transfers out really translate into special articles. So that's page eight and eight. Okay. So we have budgeted for FY1T which is going to work in 40,500. Correct? That's what we had this year. Okay. Yeah. Come in here. We want to go up to 40,500. No, that's what you had this year. Yeah. Zero years. Yeah. Same amount. No change. Yeah. I thought you said you were. We want to increase it to 49.5. Okay. What's the percentage on that, John? It's like 18%. No, it's fantastic. 49,500. 49,500. No, did you overspend in FY20? I have a sheet here that's left of the money for the cemeteries between now and the. And the June. And the June now. How much do you have left? Almost 30,000 I think it is. Really? Yeah. Well, we have some burial receipts of 44,450. We had some unspent appropriations, which is 17,000. And we had a remaining fund of our regular budget, 219, 220, 8,401 dollars. That's not your most current. Your budget is negative 500 and some odd dollars for FY20 as of October, as of your meeting in a couple of last weeks. So you don't have any money left? Yeah. Our budget for 219, 220 was 40,500. Right. Okay. But it sounds like you've already spent that much? No, I haven't. I have 8,000 dollars left of that budget. The actual budget, okay? That's not what you were interested in. Did you hear what Sandra said? What's up? So John, I did your budget for you for your last meeting and last week. Yeah. So thank you. You had your budget for FY19, 120, and then your actual expenditures. Yeah. And your budget shows a negative of 500 dollars. But you have remaining the roll over money from the previous year to get you through the end of FY20. Is that the 118? I don't know what you're looking at. I'm looking at page 8 of the budget you just gave us. I probably figured it was off that sheet you gave it. Oh, well let's just get, why don't we just pull that sheet right in? Is this this one right here? That's it. So we're seeing, yeah, so this shows budget to actual for 2019 was oddly exact, which is what I guess we're saying really isn't the case, Sandra. She's saying that the cemetery is overspent by 500, but there was some roll over money. Did you get into a new village today? No. Your budget was 40,500 dollars. Right? And you have spent 41,000 of it. But there's still money to the good in the cemetery. Budget of 20,000. And you don't mean in the budget, you mean like in the cemetery? That has rolled over. Because we have a lot of reserve funds. They have money that rolls over from year to year. Thank you. Thank you. Would it help you to look at that? Thank you. Is that right? So there's 20,000, even though you're over budget by 500, you still have available for expenses almost 21. Hang on, though. This is FY20. Right. Which is what we're in. No, I understand that. I thought you were talking about FY19. So, okay. No, not FY19. So, what do you have? We want to have a budget for 49,000 to 55,000. That's like an 18 percent. It's 22. I was trying to figure that out today. Sandra's bearing it out as 18. We've been taking $500 every time, so we're going to sell the Purple Hills, okay? And I figured six moans on that, and that's going to cost $3,000, okay? Six times 500. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So that's $500 more, six times $3,000 more in our budget that we didn't have, okay? But we only approved the town, the voters approved 1,500 additional monies to go towards Poplar Hill. Well, how it went was this. The Cemetery Commission asked for an appropriation of $39,000 for FY20. And in between the time that that appropriation was formulated, Poplar Hill Cemetery was taken on. And a request for $1,500 for Poplar Hill Cemetery was also on the warning. And that's when they were in... That's not fair. That's when they were in Independence Cemetery. But by the time we got to town meeting, they were no longer in Independence Cemetery. Our commission decided to take it over. They withdrew the article and increased the amount of the Cemetery appropriation figure by $1,500. Because I got out the minutes from last town meeting. And that is exactly what happened. We... Where did it go? We increased the Cemetery's request for $39,000. The voters shall appropriate $39,000 for the operation and maintenance of the town cemeteries. We increased Jennifer made an amendment to raise the amount to $40,500. That's correct. And pass over Article 7, which was the $1,500. So they were appropriated $40,500. Correct. That was that on an article? Yes. Okay, so we go to the voters for our article. Correct. But, you know, people are going to ask, why an 18% increase? It is actually 9,000 divided by 40,522. Actually, we've been operating on the... Yeah. I mean, 1822, it's a lot. Yeah. And can you... I mean... I thought it was wrong, but what you did there... But it really isn't. It really is what it is. I looked at it and 40,000, okay? If you had 10% more on 40,000, you would have 50,000. Yeah, but that's a 25% increase. 10,000 more. Because 10,000 more... 10,000 is 25% of 40,000. So if you were to add 10,000 more, you're adding actually... you're adding 25%, but you're only adding 9, so it's 22%-ish. So let me ask you that. So the increase is that to be able to pay Jennifer as sexton? Yes. The other sexton got a wage of about $2,300. Right. Okay? And we'd say she does a lot of... She does a lot of stuff. She does a lot of tree... you know, takes a lot of calls. Mm-hmm. And we thought that was... okay. Mm-hmm. $2,400. $2,400. Yeah. So do you have a proposed budget? Is that what you're looking at right there? Well, I had a budget for finishing off this year's budget. Okay? Mm-hmm. I mean, pretty much your cemetery work for this season is done until May, right? Right now is pretty good. And it's taking care of itself. And so we're getting... So really you won't have to do anything until, like, next April to May, correct? No. And you've already... It's all being taken care of by the... How much? It does amount of grams and stuff. He's still mowing now? No. It's cutting off the end of this month. I would think. It's about six months, okay? And it's like $4,250 per mowing. So then we're going to have to lease out the $500 per problem, okay? I like your... Denise was starting... I like where Denise was going. A second ago, John, she asked if you have a proposed budget. And it sounds like you have a proposed number. But... Well, it comes about in the middle of the year. We're looking to see why it's going... You know, what pieces of the budget are going up? Okay, here's... Mowing contract for six months is $3,000. $30,000, sorry. For six months, it's $30,000 to mow? Yep. But this past year, you only spent... This is only a portion... Oh, okay, right, because we don't have next... Because you'll have May and June that will hit this budget. This is not an entire season for that. It will... The expenditures will slow down or stop for a few months and then kick up again until we get to the end. So, Joe, Magnum? Magnum? Yep. I'll second think of his Magnum PI. Is he raising his fees? No. It's going to stay the same. So this is for July through October? July? August, September, and October. Okay, so... It's about $5,000 a month. And that's to mow? $5,000 a month to mow all of these cemeteries? Yep, that's correct. So... We got a good thing, a good call on the place. It was really, really good. We also washed all the monuments in the old park and the new park dishes. Yeah, I mean, you get a lot of nice compliments on the cemeteries. Look, I'm just concerned about 22% increase. That's a lot for people, too. Well, I kind of looked at it and said to myself, there's only $6,000 being put in because we've been taking that extra, whatever, $5,000 out for... $5,000 from what? The $5,000 from what? From mowing, you know. And then you're looking to pay... How much are you looking to pay the sexton a year? $2,400. Where is that in this... She's not getting paid right now. So the money that... If this was something to do, it's probably going to be about $20. So the former sexton was getting paid $2,400 a year, which was in the budget. And when that person no longer was doing it, Jennifer took it on free of charge. So that other money that $2,400 got absorbed somewhere else in the budget probably mowing or something like that. Well, by way of... Let's just back up a little bit. The cemetery commission actually cut their budget by almost $10,000 between FY19 and FY20. That's true. So maybe that was an appropriate reduction and maybe that was too much of a reduction. I think that was probably too much of a reduction at the time. Looking at the budget... Looking at it now, it seems like... Anyways, that's all water over the dam right now. Because we need to figure out how to... I mean, it's going to be up to you guys to sell it to the voters at town meeting, because it's going to be a separately warned item. And normally people are supportive of the cemeteries. But I think we have to... And you already know this, you guys need to be prepared to answer questions about the increase because people will ask when it's that significant. And they've asked before. Right. But I think the town report goes back a couple of years on the budget stuff. Two years ago, it was at $50,000, I think. It was at $49,000. And then you dropped it to $39,000. So now you're going back up basically to where you... And probably they need to be there. So it sounds like you're going back up to where you dropped it. And I think you dropped it because you thought savings on the sexton and... In the mowing. In the mowing. And being nickled in time and, you know, renting this. Renting a wee whacker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that stuff. So you're going to... When will the Cemetery Commission have figures to give to Sandra with the wording for an article? Or should I send her a reminder on email and see see the rest of the commission? We're going to meet again one more time, I guess. When is that? You meet like the third? Third Wednesday of the month, right? Is it third Wednesday? Yeah, fourth Wednesday. So I will send you a reminder. Right. So that you can get your article ready and your figures ready. And I'll see see the rest of the board so they know that you have to do this. It's only about ten thousand dollars a field, you know, to work with, really. Right. But when people aren't getting cut, people aren't getting wage increases of twenty-two percent. Yeah. So that's the dilemma when you try to explain it. They don't... You just... You're going to have to remind them that last year you cut at ten thousand and maybe that was too much and now you need that money again. We've also washed all those entire cemetery monuments in the past five years or so. Right, yep. And we're thinking about doing popular help. Yeah. It's looking sharp. For the record, the next cemetery commission meeting is scheduled for November Wednesday, November 20. Okay. I will send... I'm making myself a note to send you a reminder, John. Okay. You want an itemized article? Yeah, we're going to... Yeah, we're going to have to have an article and then Sandra's going to need the figures for the budget. Yeah. You paid something else before I got here. That's what you did on this note. Um... I paid something else. Yeah, you paid for a bill or two today. I guess there's something... No, you're... This is what you looked at at your last meeting on October 23. So these were all your expenses as of that day. And behind it, I also put all of your expenses were itemized for you so you could refresh your memories as to what you spent and on who. I think mine was different or something else. No. So what's that? Okay. No, this was the one. Yeah, CNF Y-19, you had 29,000. That one was 30,000. Alrighty. Thank you, John. Thank you so much for all your work on the cemeteries. They've been waiting for me to hear something out of the West Church. No information at all. On what? For their job for their expenses and stuff. Oh, does that come out of your budget? Well, one seems to know. It's a cemetery, right? Mm-hmm. We went over there and met with... Did you meet with the board there? Yeah. Yeah. That's one board on the... Other stuff on the cemetery, folks? Anything else, John, from you? Everything's good? No, I think... Working out fine with this new person, right? Yeah. Good. Yeah. Great. Except it sounds like it's not... We're not saving those weeks. No. Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you, John. All right, so you will send Sandra some figures? Or do you have figures, Sandra? Do you have anything? For the cemetery, did they give you any figures yet? No. No. They are asking for the appropriation, and behind that appropriation presumably would be a budget. Right. And support of it. So I don't have that. Yeah, basically another couple of columns on this is what we're talking about, right? Yeah. Yeah, just... We've got a couple more bills coming in now. You had your marker bills, and you may have paid the October million bill. Alrighty then. We're ready to move on to the next agenda item, which is the Sullivan Empowers. I can't believe we've used them for two years now. Thank you, John. Good night, John. Good night, John. Thank you. We've used them for two years. Three years. Hasn't been three? They did. Well, no. It's been two years. They did two years last year, 17 and 18, and then 19. So their new contract is basically, and I've skimmed it, but basically the long and the short of it is that it's going up $300 in FY21 and $200 in FY22 for their fee to do the audit, which probably like any other business accounts for salaries, insurance, those kinds of things, because actually it should be getting easier to do our audit now. Yeah. Harder, right? And they're coming on... I'm pretty sure it's not harder. And they're coming to the board meeting on November 11th. Correct. Do you know? That's confirmed. Okay. Do you know for sure what time that is? Well, I told him at 7, but so he would be prepared in that area of time, and then we can narrow that down as you prepare your agenda. If you say have him come in at 7.30, at least he's prepared for 7. I just don't know what other stuff there might be on the 11th that we might want to do quickly. So I'll check in with you. Okay. 2%. So that's not bad, right? No. What you want to know, you know... Why? Well, it's like, who was it that we looked at last year? It could have been the Solid Waste Management District. Somebody that was level, or maybe the BLCT do, somebody that we remarked, you know, they're level funded. They are finding efficiencies and building efficiencies in on their end so that they're not... Right. Some of them on Solid Waste Management hasn't had an increase for a while. Neither has Kellogg Hubbard Library. So people are doing it, but you know, eventually... Eventually, yeah. Eventually people are going to cry on the goal, really. Sure. Sure. But we're only two years in and it's getting easier. I would think, but we can ask the audience that. I think it's the same... I'm not... I can't speak for them. No, we can ask them. But you can ask them any questions, if you want. Is it getting easier? I think they put in the same amount of time. It's more money. They're keeping track of more money by the simple fact that I'm collecting more money and there's more money in grants rolling through the town. So they're double checking. Sheer numbers are more. And we have Nemerick doing our monthly audit, which is working out fine. That is working out well. Yeah. And it's not costing us as much per month as we had thought. Correct. So we've got a little bit of savings there, but I don't want to... That's not easier. And I don't want us to think about budgeting too much less because you never know. I mean, it's a line item we can look at, I think. We've got a little bit of a history of how much it's costing a little, probably around 300 right a month. I want to check on her hourly rate to see if they have increased the hourly rates there. Right. But the most important thing is for her to reconcile our accounts and also to double check the general journal entries that are made. So when I say I take, I book property taxes to a liability account, that's done... The money doesn't move in the operating account, but it moves from one budget item to another budget item. And I think you understand that. I mean, one budget item is a revenue. One budget item is an OEO. So those general journal entries from an internal control standpoint need to be reviewed. So she's going to do that. And what she will also do, Denise, is send you her report directly. She's been sending it directly to me. So she will be copying you on the email. So you and I will get it at the same time. And they're very satisfied with that. The audit had no material deficiencies. And the journal entry oversight was the only significant deficiency. And we may not see that because he was entirely happy with having... Well, that was a quick transition issue, right? You said? No. What we're talking about is deficiencies and internal controls. And I'm not sure we're going to see any this year. No, they didn't have anything. And I read their audit letter. They didn't really have anything. Nope. Just the journal entries. Right. Who's going to look at the journal entries? And so NEMRQ will look at the journal entries. NEMRQ will look at the journal entries. And then email any comments that they may have questioning a journal entry. To both of us. Yes. Okay. That makes sense. And you will get that simultaneously with me. And S&P is happy with that. So we're looking for numbers. As we're looking at budget and client items, currently as of October 23rd, we budgeted 6,000 for the auditor, the monthly auditor, which happens to be NEMRQ doing it for us. We budgeted 6, and we've spent 875. So I think that gives us a little wiggle room when we're looking at next year's budget. We don't want to be short ourselves because then we'll be... Sorry, we did. But we do have a little bit of room, I think. That's the... But if you could check and see if they're increasing their... If they're going to increase their fees, then we have to, you know, make sure we take that into account. On the first couple, I think she billed out $500, but these last couple of... The last one... ...was 281. I'm going to say the last one was 281. Because that's what's getting easier. Right. So you're going to check to see if they're going to increase their hourly rates at all, that number, okay? What is the hourly rate? Did you say the hourly rate? No. I don't recall that on the top of my head. Also, the end voices may be... I think are in your orders right now. Just curious. Yeah, I don't remember what it was. I looked at it. Yeah, off the top of my head. All right, so ladies and gentlemen, do you want to continue our contract with Sullivan and Powers and sign the new engagement letter? I think we'll need a motion to do that. So moved. Second. Any further discussion? Comments, does this include the $300 increase? Or so we're approving that now. Yes. When does this have to be back to them? I don't think there was a time limit on it. Because if you wanted to ask him questions... We couldn't wait until after November 11th when we meet with them. If you'd rather do that, we can... Yeah, I feel like that's a good practice. You know, just to... Okay, should I give this back to you so I don't lose it? Sure. So let's postpone signing this then until November 11th if you would like to draw your motion. Can you draw it or I can say I like the friendly amendment? The friendly amendment to wait until... Okay, so I'll make that friendly amendment. Okay, I agree with that. Just in one second. The new amendment is to wait until after November 3rd. So we struck the old one and replaced it with another one. Okay, I'll second that. All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? At least we were made to sign the amendment to postpone. Signed? No, postpone signing. Got it. Got it? Wait, wait, wait. No, it was to postpone the approval. Right. Which is the approval of signing the engagement letter. Right. Which was the original one. All right, so you're going to take care of that. So in other words, after we meet with them, then we'll decide to approve the contract. Because we can ask them. Right. I mean, really, in the big picture of things, it's a few hundred dollars, but we should make sure we understand why. All right, so I have a couple of questions for you on one of these. What are we looking at? I'm looking at the warrants to sign. Okay. Are we done with... I don't want to confuse things. No, go ahead. Are we done? Okay. Delta dental. The numbers that you have on here are not... And there's probably... I'm sure there's an explanation for it. Oh, wait a minute. You're going to have to go over here. Okay. Sorry. On the bill, it shows... I'm sorry to nitpick these. It shows these amounts. Per person. And this shows these amounts. Right. 3512, and this is 3719. So these are payroll deductions, and you can see they're each week. So every week it's the same deduction, and it's a cumulative deduction for all six employees who are purchasing additional insurance. But highway gets paid every week, and everybody else... And so does the town office. So I guess my question is why do these numbers... Because they're not based on a person. They're based on a total combination of all employees that are purchasing additional insurance. So for instance... So one employee purchases... I'm not going to say names. One employee purchases insurance to cover family, and there's an additional premium for the family that that person contributes to. And another person doesn't purchase any insurance at all for any additional... Just their own. Just the town provides that. Right. And then you might have another employee who just purchases additional insurance for one person, which is different than insurance for a family. So every week the employee's contribution cumulatively is $35.12. But that reflects the contribution of all six employees who have made various contributions. And how do you... That is the town's portion. That is what the town pays for all six employees. Okay. And these are folks that have additional... Mm-hmm. Okay. Gotcha. And so what we have to send them is that amount of money every month, but it's broken up into the budget like this. Right. This is the highway. This is the office. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. One more question. Sure. Consolidated. And this shows... What phone number is the business phone 4561038? We don't have any of that. We don't have any of that. Can I see... Or does it kind of roll over? Is it the town's... I don't know. This is... Wait. This is the office. Huh? It comes from this office. It rolls over to you then? Well, I just know that I recognize that number from Color ID. So... Oh, okay. Just... Comes from here. Comes from here to the garage. Okay. Consolidated. No, no, no. He's saying... Shopping number. Denise, he's just saying that it's an outgoing number. It needs to be a second line or whatever. It has nothing to do with the fact that you're getting a call at the garage. You would see it. Oh, right. I just recognize that number. Oh, because I've never seen... This office calling my shop with a number of... But if you were at home in a Color ID, it'd be the same number. Correct. Yeah. Because I've never had that shop on my phone, but... Okay. I remember that. Remember, that shop on the office has four lines now. Right. So each line has a number associated with it. That's right. Okay. And also, there's internet. So those bills are not only for the phone line and phone service usage, but also for internet service as well. All right. Do we have a fund bill with them? We have a fund bill for this office because there are multiple lines, but not for the highway. There's just one line. There's just one line. I'm just asking because I just dealt with Consolidated over the past several weeks. You're a brave woman. Well, it took several weeks. It's not a nice story. I'll skip that. But in the end, I'm getting bundled long-distance local and internet for... And better internet for substantially reduced... Are you working? Yes. Oh, you're brave. For your business or for your home? For home homes. And this is a... These are commercial accounts, so... Well, I thought about calling them, but it gives me... I just don't want to show those questions. It gives me a headache to think about calling them. It's not a big deal. I just... Every once in a while, this is just, you know, public internet services. Every once in a while, you want to call Consolidated and be comfy about your phone bill, and then they'll say, oh, we have a promotion. You can get better internet and blah, blah, blah. Do you think we just give it to them? Well, we increased our speed of our internet within the last six months. We were able to do that. It was really an incremental benefit to the office. Yeah. So, anyways, so Toby dropped off these grant applications that he's going to apply for. Two better Bradford's ones. Do you want to hang on to these? Do you want these? Do you need to sign them? No. Are they completed? Is that the deal? I think so. So we're applying for it. Yes. Those are the two grants that we were denied last year. And we were recommended that we apply again this year. There was just our copies. Oh, yeah, I'll take them away. So rather than me, hang on them and put them in our own folder. I have grant files. Yeah. They're the one, and Dan Currier, Toby said. They're going to be sent in, don't they? Toby's going to take care of that as far as I can. Good to serve, that's what he said. That's right. Yeah. He just printed them off. He said Dan Currier called him and recommended that we reapply for those two specific grants. Right. He must know something. All right. Did you have something you were staying for, for a discussion? I'm just curious about the union conversation that life should be part of that or not. Oh, I have been playing telephone tag and email tag with Tim. I had thought about trying to do it at a select board meeting, but he said that that genuine doesn't probably work out as well. We should probably carve out a set time. So I was going to ask the board and as long as you're here, if nobody minds my skipping around the agenda, is anybody available to meet on November 4th, which is a Monday at 6 or 7? And I can throw out this date to him to start off this union meeting stuff? I cannot. I'm committed to be with my mom that week for her new replacement. So for the fourth year or no? I'm a no that whole week. I'm gone a whole week. Okay. Rose, what about you? I could be here, but not until 7. Okay, so you're a yes at 7. What about you, Claude? I'm okay. I can attend either 6 or 7. Okay. I don't know. Of course, John's out 6. I definitely hope that John could be there for me. Right. Yeah. And then also the other thing I thought of was, and I don't know, we're meeting on the 11th, but it's Veterans Day and I don't know whether the union people work that day. But I thought maybe we could be at 6 on the 11th, but I wanted to find out from Sharon. Good for you, Rose. I think we said we wouldn't eat that night. Right. We're meeting for select board, but that's at 7. I just wanted to see if people were available at 6. Are you available, pretty available if I schedule something? Because I got to ask them who should be a part of this. So I don't even know. Right. Who includes? I mean, it's a holiday for the highway, but I can mess like how it would be here, I guess. I just don't know my role in all this. Yeah, we got to find all that out. I think that's part of, we were going to try to have a conversation with Jim, but I assume that we get to decide who's here and who's not. Who's here on the management side. Right. That's really not up to them. No. We can have Jim, we can tell us we're wrong. But are they asking for a meeting? I mean, are they? Yes. They're ready to have a meeting. I guess to start the process discussion. I just don't know. I don't know nothing. I just want to know. Alfred. Before I joined this. We don't know either. We don't know either. That's why I'm trying to get a hold of this guy because I have exact same questions as you have exact same questions. Because they haven't given us anything to tell us what the process is. And you would think that there'd be some kind of, they must have something to outline, to document what the process is. Because those are my exact questions. Well, and also this is what we, we had this conversation last meeting, right? We said, let's, they're, we are ignorant. Right. And so. We don't know what their process is. Right. And also we want, we want to know, they're going to, I don't know. I wouldn't want to just take their word for it and hear what the process is. I would want to run it by Jim, right? But I can't do that until I have something. There's got to be some kind of documentation. Because we can't be the first ones to ask what the process is. They might assume that we've got our own management side expert lawyer and we've got somebody else telling us what the process is. Sandra checked with VLCT to see if they had a labor relations person there that they could recommend and they don't have anybody. So I'm going to check back in with Jim and see, you know, is he going to be part of this process? Does he have somebody that he knows that he would recommend to us? That's what the VLCT, right, to get. But see there's a lot of referrals. There's a lot of moving pieces. There's a lot of moving pieces. Nailing down a date would be helpful. That's why I'm asking about dates. Sharon, are you available at six on the 11? Yep. I assume click you are okay. Yes. Right, that's the 11. I'm looking to see, you know, maybe we need to meet at six or five thirty. I don't have any clue. As soon as I get any information and I talk to this guy, I'm going to type up the conversation that I have with him and put an email back to him so that we can verify that I got understood correctly. And we'll take you from there. He's a really hard guy to get a hold of. He's probably all over the place. Right about now, other towns are doing budgets and stuff. And he may be, depending on how this union works, I think there's a distinction between the organizer and the negotiator. Right, so, you know, that could be, there could be a hand up on that side. Yeah, we have a lot to learn. Can we take out salaries to delete the salary amounts in highway and general government or leave them in general government and delete it in highway? Well, general, I mean, whatever we had for salaries for last year. That's what I used. Right. I didn't use any increase. I just put it in highway. I can take that out. I can put in, why don't I put in the same amount as last year's budget? Right. That's the starting point. Okay, so we can do that. All right. Is there anything else that we need to hold up, Sandra and Alfred, for now that you're not welcome to stay and participate in all the fun? Yes, no, I do enjoy it, but five o'clock comes early. Yes, I'm sure. Yeah. Okay, so, but Alfred, so you're actually... I'm voting for the 11th. But you're okay for the 4th, if need be. I can make myself a little less. Okay, thank you. This is hard, you know, it's a holiday. I get involved in other things. Well, the 11th is the holiday. The 11th is the holiday. The regular meeting date is the holiday date. Okay. I'll be here for either of you. Let me know how I'll make it. Thank you. That's what I wanted to hear. I'll make it easy for you. Thank you. Very good. Appreciate it. Take care. Thank you. Good night. Take care. She's wearing her hay dress to Shams. Oh, yeah. That's so good. She's got it. Did she? That's good. What's she do? She did a really, she said some really good runs this year. All the girls, all our callous girls are going on. Just going to Flushing day. They're all going to the wing weeks. Is that the small? May, lamb. Yeah, couple weeks. Two weeks. The U32 boys and girls teams are going to represent Vermont at the New England festival. So that's very exciting. And St. John'sbury Boys and Girls and CVU. I got what's going on. You and Harwood, there are six of them. Right. The 32 Harwoods, CVU. St. John'sbury. St. John'sbury and I don't know. And there's two more, but they may not always, it's interesting that for each of those four teams, it's boys and girls going, because they move separately. They don't necessarily go. So congratulations. It's a proud mom. She had, she did have a really, I have to say, own world count, but she had a very good day. She's seventh in division two and 19th overall in the state. Yeah. Wow. So that is good. Yeah. Yeah. That's really good. It's great. That training pays off. I drive to Calis day and night for her to train on this mountain road. Didn't you ever think about moving to Calis? Oh, yes. Yeah, it's just a thought. Before we moved to Berlin, where, you know, it was, that was what worked for us. Yeah. Our check tax is cheaper in Berlin? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. That was my question. Oh, and I had glasses and what did I do with them? Did I make them? Was that your team? Yes. Because I couldn't speak. What made you a student? I was one of those next- What did they call those in? The Lanyard. The Lanyard? Don't they call for glasses? I know. Oh, please. Rope. And I love it. I call it a strength. Holder. Hey, Sandra. Yes. This, maybe it's me, I'll try it again, but it seemed like that wasn't working for 5G. Did you remember to put this last minute exclamation point on it? And then the capitals C, W, and F. I got it to work for the 2G, but not for the 5G. It should work for the 5G. All right, I'll keep trying. Keep trying. I'll keep going. We haven't had any... Guys, it's almost nine o'clock. We need to go home. Is it? Come in late tomorrow. All right. So, Liza, you're having a good time. I know. We know how to have a good time, don't we? All right. So we need to know folks here. You will get them back next time with all of the adjustments that need to be made. Just leave them on the table. That will be fine. Thank you. And so what I'll do, though, with Cemetery, it would seem that he wants that 49.5 in that particular cell. So I'll put it in there because... I am gonna follow up just so we're clear. And I will see, see the full Cemetery Commission on our discussion tonight and what our expectation is. I worry that those reports have too much information. And then I'm thinking that they're really... Can you report? The Cemetery reports, which is an accurate report, but I wonder if they are utilizing them... I think last year, when they were doing... I wonder if they're utilizing them in the best way possible. Last year, when they were doing their budget, I went to a couple of their meetings so that I could understand and hopefully help them understand. So I might have to do that again. Well, so I'll make a note. I think I have the next couple of months, I have my other two boards with me on Wednesday nights. They're meeting the same Wednesday night back to back. That means the Wednesday night, the Cemetery Commission's meeting, I'm free. But they did have some additional expenditures this year that they were not anticipating. And so that would skew the budget a little bit. And that money that they have that's rolled over, that's not restricted in any way, right? Oh, it is restricted to them because that's appropriation money that they've not spent. It's not out of their endowment or anything like that. It's just... The endowment is reflecting a set of... Okay, I just want to make clear what I thought. What I thought, the question they have, yeah. But I want to be clear from my mind. So that will probably drop considerably in May in June. So I will offer to attend their meeting in November. I'll, I can help as best I can. Do we have any insight to why they did a competitive bid process for the mowing? Sounds like they need to. No, they did. That's how they get this Joe Magnum. Yeah, well, I think they need to do it again. That's just my two sides. Well, I don't understand why it's so high, but that's higher than what they were anticipating. And I think that maybe they sure changed themselves thinking it was going to be better than it was. And Jennifer and Fletcher are really the ones that will be able to answer the question. That's why I want to go and talk to them and send an email for clarification. Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about it more, but with all of our contracts, we need to keep our vendors on their toes. We need to keep them sharp. Right. And the words that we're looking. And needs to be competitive. Yeah. Well, we're looking at numbers. Right. You know, and they need to be aware of that so that they are not just getting complacent. Right. Right. So you may go, my dear treasurer. Good night. Thank you. Thank you for everything. Thank you for everything. Okay, letter of support for Solid Waste Management District. They're looking for getting a grant to come up with a facility to have Hazard Household Waste Facilities. Don't. Yeah, I think you're right on. So I've got the letter that I asked Bill Powell to law us draft, which you've seen in the folder. But it's need permission to sign it. Some of. My motion is approving this request from the Center for Solid Waste Management District to submit a letter of support for their grant application underneath the signature. Okay, is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay, I'll get this off to them. Next is, oh, the flooring. So Sharon and I had a brief chat this afternoon because all this, as some of you know, my Fairpoint email is still not working. I can get emails. I've already been on the phone with Cliff a couple of times this weekend. I can get emails, but I can't respond and I can't send new emails. So you call them and get a credit? Good idea, yeah. The guys, yeah. Absolutely. Not paying bills for service I don't get. So Bruce had sent out the email about the flooring. I responded. Then I found out, oh, guess what? Didn't go through it to anybody. Cause I had some of the same questions that Sharon had which is, you know, we approved the motion back in, whenever it was 2011, that only gave us 48 hours to review and decide whether to approve an invoice. And I wrote back to Bruce saying, that doesn't work for us. Maybe we set it in motion, what, nine years ago? But we can't just meet and for, you know, to approve an invoice, it's gonna have to wait till our next regularly scheduled meeting. So I wanna clarify that with him and I wanna put it in the minutes. Did you get my forwarded? Yeah. To Shannon? To Shannon? Yeah, Shannon, my daughter's name. I was like, who's Shannon? Oh, Shannon. Shannon, Shannon, Shannon, so it's too hard. It's too hard. It's a mouth twister. That being one item, and the reason I was reminding myself as well as telling Sharon and so for close benefit, when we went for the bond back in 2004, was it? The building was built in 2010. 2010, okay, so whenever it was, when the bond vote all got done and both towns finally approved it after the second vote, we went to get the bond and found out that the bond bank would only give it the loan in one town's name. And East Montpelier is the bigger spender in all of this, even though they have more money to spend. So it was decided then that they would be the signers on the bond and we had our attorney at the time who reviewed it all and said that was okay. Then when the building got all done, there was a little bit of money left. And every little while they've had something come up and they're legitimate in my mind things, like when all that flooring broke, remember, all the cement broke in the garage and then there were some other issues with the doors and sinkhole and sinkhole, right? So there's been this little bit of money left but it's kind of like burning a hole in their pocket. Did you say it was 18,000? Did I make that up? No, I think in Bruce's email, he said what the balance was, I think it's like 16 or something. Yeah, okay, it was in his note. Yeah, it was like 16,000, yeah, 16, eight in the fund and they're looking to spend 3,077 dollars. So in my mind, it's a legitimate use of what's left over of those bond funds because we can't, the bond bank won't take it back and reduce the amount that your payment is done. So that's why that money is sitting there just so you guys know what happened in the process. Now that's standing, it's an annoying process. In the scheme of things, the money that's left is now $16,000. Well then it's gonna be 13. There is a process where the East Montpelier slide board looks at it and we get 48 hours to see if we have a problem with it. And that's the process I'm having a problem with right now. Well, yes, in the scheme of things, on principle I agree on the other hand. This is, I think we got a lot bigger fish to fry and pick a fight with them over this. Instead, I think, I think, I do want to bring into their attention that 48 hours truly isn't much time. Right, but they're not looking for us to approve either. They're just, it's a heads up according to Bruce. It's really a heads up. It's an FYI. It's a really, right. The bond money is in East Montpelier's name. It's an FYI and we've got half agendas every time. There's only 13,000 left. I think the thing is just not to agree to that arrangement again. Right, well it's too late now because we're already, I mean, we're not gonna be doing this again. Well, right, but. Hopefully we're not gonna be having another one. Once that 13,000 is gone. Right. So in the meantime, but it's an annoying process, about whatever. Yeah. So anyways, I think that I do want to bring into their attention that 48 hours really doesn't, we're never gonna be able to probably meet that deadline. But they're not, Denise, I don't think it's the deadline. I think it's a here you go after. I know, I know what you're saying. Yeah. And it is what it is, but I still think they need to know that anyways. It says if no objections are received. Right, we can't object if we don't meet. We can't, we can't object. And we're not supposed to conduct. We can't object that we haven't had enough time to review it as a full court. Well, I guess that's what we can object to every single time. And we're not supposed to conduct business by email. Right, right. That's my point basically is I object to. Right. But anyways, I mean, we do have other issues. Right. And that's hard to make. Thank you. Bless you. I always snooze and choose. Oh, I three. So, I mean, the bottom line is we don't really have an issue with the 6th fence. So we appreciate the heads up and we think the process is annoying. But I think we should put it, we think we should put it in the minutes that, I don't know what I just said. Well, the process, the process doesn't work for us for 48 hours notice. And we can say it's annoying and a different maybe use the synonyms. It's problematic. It's problematic, right? Because we, it's inconsistent with it, with the, with the meeting. We can't, it's inconsistent with open meeting. Yes. So I think we can say that it's inconsistent with the open meeting line. I'll send them that portion of the minutes when Katie gets it done. And that'll give them the heads up. Good, I know. Cliff, you're on. The T updates. Oh wait a minute. Do we want to vote? Is there any point in voting on the floor? I don't think it's too late. No, no vote on. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah. Go ahead. The T updates. So we will get a proposal from RB Tech that hopefully we will be able to review at the next meeting and by proposal I mean a contract for consideration to sign. We don't have to sign it that meeting, but at least we can start that discussion. The other thing I will hope to be able to finalize and present to the board at the next meeting is the letter that I can send out to the other vendors. And our next meeting is on the 11th. Yeah. So we'll be okay because I also realized that we had said that when people gave us their proposals they had to state that they would be valid for a period of 180 days from the time that we closed the RFP. And that deadline won't happen in November. So I think we might be getting into content that we only discussed in opening and closed session last time. I don't think we're saying anything that... Well work, we're making it, we're tacitly making an announcement right now. Well we haven't decided to award the contract to anybody. We just want to see what their proposed contract would look like and everybody's still on the table as a possible partner. Potential candidate. All right, so basically at the, well we need to go into executive session next meeting so I'll put this on at the end. Yes, because at that point we will be looking at specifics of contracts for considerations. And this may spur us to have questions for the other respondents. Okay, so it's possibly an executive session and because we've been talking about contracts. I would say definitely an executive session. Okay, anything else? Anybody have questions? Okay, thank you. You're welcome. All right, so moving right along with that is only a little after nine. Let's see, all right. Do we want to have a discussion with BLCT about health insurance or not? I would think if you've been official we could say well how are other communities responding to this? To the increase? Yeah. Well, but based on what Sandra said, our increase is not that bad. It's not that bad. I'm just wondering if it's gonna be part of the negotiation, the other negotiation process. If it, I don't want us to spend a lot of time on it, if it's gonna come up in the other process and take some time. I feel like we spent time on it last year, right? When we changed the plan. We did a lot. And if, based on Sandra's numbers, understanding that that's preliminary for lots of reasons, but it's not preliminary according to if we. If we kept what we have. Then she has firm numbers from Blue Cross. And I think among everything else we gotta talk about that. Right. She did have that one plan that maybe I'll ask her, what was it? She called it. No, she said there was one that was a Blue Cross something new that she looked into and was like, oh gosh, no, don't even go there. Right, yeah. Yeltsin T said not to bother. Yeah, and she got numbers from Blue Cross, I think. Yeah. Okay, so we'll say, no. Whether we need to hear from them about the new FLSA rules. FLSA, where? Yes, that has to do with hours and overtime. And. That may not be the biggest imperative. That's gonna be a bargaining. That's bargained in outside of FLSA if it's bargained. Right, well, and as we're updating our personnel policy. That's really where we're going to have. That's where this will come in. Yeah. Okay, there's an ordinance enforcement training. You probably all got information about the PC. I think that your meeting, their next meeting is November 6th, and I'm expecting that they will give us a recommendation after that meeting for a new ZA. But November 11th, and that's what I'm trying to think, November 11th could be really tight, time-wise because we'll have the auditors coming. We don't know about the meeting with the union folks, but I know that they might have that. And I'm sure, I've already met who I think they're probably gonna recommend. I'm assuming you folks would all want to meet them as well, right? No, no. I'd be happy to take the recommendation from the Planning Commission that they've met with people and done a, I would want to know what their process was. I didn't want to, that's where I- They did a good process. That's where my credit would be. I don't need to interview people if you guys had a good process, everybody was involved. Yeah, they sent out the notice to all the places where we're supposed to. They got applications back, some of them wanted more money than we were paying, some of them wanted mileage, one of them lived in Newbury, and one lived, I don't know why I want to say, down South somewhere, but they wanted to pay mileage. We don't pay mileage. But the person they have is local, already a part-time zoning administrator and a joining town. I met, I was here the night they interviewed him, and that's who they recommend, I think. That's our person. I would say I'm perfectly comfortable delegating that unless they want, if they have some reservation and they want us involved in actually meeting a candidate, you're happy to, yeah. We can just sign off on it. Yeah, I mean. Well, I want so much for the planning commission to come and say here's our process, we had X number of candidates. Yeah, so you don't want to come and do that. These are the criteria we use. I'm just trying to think it may be faster if we do it that way. Then if we have to schedule this person for an interview and have them go through the whole thing again. I agree. I don't think we need to schedule for an interview as long as they can speak to the process. However, we'll say that we should definitely extend an invitation to the candidate if we imagine. So that they know that they're welcome to approach the select board. Right, but we can always ask the person to come in after they've been in the job for a couple of weeks, too, to meet with the board. I just don't want to slow the process down. Does this person report to us? Nothing, I got to look at the job description. I have a blank, it's so gross. Right, because when we had the problem with ZA, we were the ones that had to deal with it. All right, well then maybe we should meet, I take back, we should at least meet if they're going to report to us then we should. Not an interview. Not an interview. No, just a meet and greet. Just a meet really quick. I'll review the job description and talk with Jan again, just to make sure we're all on the same page. And then we've all done the process that we want. And I know the two current people serving as ZA were involved and they were the ones to be working with this person doing the training. Right, there it is. And we actually advertised it a lot more than we did when we were looking before, Rosalina Hurt. We did it on MutiNet, we did it on the VLCT job thing that they have, put it in the papers, it was on front porch form a couple of times. It's actually fairly like they nominate and all we do is approve. Right. But we do want to see who, because when we had an issue with a previous zoning administrator, we were the ones that had to deal with it. But given everything we have to do, yeah I think this is, I think it's okay if, and given what Cliff just showed us that they do the process and we appoint, we can. Yeah, I think we can appoint just without, at least I haven't met the person. Okay. Okay, so I'll, but that's what I'm thinking that the PC is probably gonna do it out there, November 6th meeting, which we put it to November 11th. For us, I just don't think we're gonna have a lot of time that night to do interviews, but we could always do a point. We can hear from Jan. Right. 10 minutes. Here is our process. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Mediation. Yeah. And then we could invite the person in at a future meeting when we don't have so much going on. Yes. You skipped the update on the petition. Did you mean to skip that? No, we already talked about it. Oh, you're right. I'm trying to work out a date to meet with Alfred, but I don't come up with one yet. And, oh, this is horrible. The town meeting lunch people, Linda Sheets resigned. So she's not, there's nobody to organize a town meeting, potluck, lunch, blah, blah, blah thing again, but the office ladies are coming up with some ideas. We never appointed her, so she can't really resign. No, right. She appointed herself, because it was a historic, and historic Ken's corner folks doing it, but she was really the ringleader, and she's just had enough. She had enough a couple of years ago. It wasn't, it was just tired of doing it. Right, right, no, good for her. Nobody can step forward, well, until she says, right. So I talked to the office ladies when I was here last week, about some different ideas, and they're gonna pursue some of them, and we'll see. I'm sure Linda would be willing to share her process. Oh, sure. You know, and her telephone list, and you know, there might be a way to simplify it too. You know, you might be able to get somebody to do lunch, and maybe what you have is salad, garlic bread, and spaghetti. You have meat sauce, and you have non-meat sauce. Something to make it simpler, instead of all the hard work you do, you do what they do for the, you know, in the high schools now, for all the meats, where you need a lot of parent food, you get a big fat, local sheep. Somebody decides, this is what we need. We need three vats of mac and cheese, we need two of chili, we need one vegetarian, and you put it all in there, and then people just sign up. Right. So there's a lot of different. They've got some ideas, and we talked about some different ideas, so stay tuned. It's really just a heads up, and I'll have a few guys tell. I think we should also extend our gratitude. Yes, we should. Because it is appreciated. We should. Memorial Hall folks, I think they're gonna come on November 25th to talk about putting something on the warning for tax exempt status. And that would be the town share, and then, I don't know what the value of their building is, we gotta wait for the listers to assess the value, but probably over the years, it will change as they make yearly improvements and modifications, so the value will currently, will keep going up, and when you exempt, the taxes, most people are figuring it's the tax, which is the town and the school share. And if their building is really of high value, that could be a significant amount of school share taxes that everybody else will have to pay. So, I guess, and I already asked this question, and the answer was, you can parcel it out, you could say you're exempt from town, but not the school portion, or vice versa. So, just so you know, that they're gonna come and ask that and wanna put it on the warning. It's an interesting question. Do we have, oh, I guess the voters, can the voters in the context of a town meeting exempt on the school tax? We gotta do some more research, but I understand you can do, if they worded their warning to exempt Mori Hall from the town and school tax burden, I mean, normally when we've done it, it's been like out of that community center, which their taxes for a year are minimal, and we, you know, parcel it out to school and the town share, everybody just pays for it. Same thing with a couple other places. The corner, communities. And an ad-bat co-op. Right, and those are, I mean, those are minimally taxed buildings. Mori Hall, I have no idea how many, how much it's worth. Waterfront. Waterfront, all that property. When they get it all fixed up, it sounds like it's gonna be fabulous. So it could be, you know, a substantial value. Value. And the school tax portion, I mean, we already just sent, if you looked at the bills tonight, we're already sending 1.3 million, and that's not all of it for our school taxes. And people already have it on our time paying their taxes with the increases from Act 46. So we gotta think about this, and I mean, we're awfully glad that Mori Hall is saved. So, we just gotta balance it. I'm not sure how we're gonna do that, but I think that's all I had. Scheduled meeting was, trying to kind of. Yeah, I hadn't done that, though. What's the holdup on the traffic ordinance? Coming up with a date for Alfred and I to get together. Yeah, but what's the issue? The issue is, is that Toby didn't correctly identify some of the road names with the road numbers and things like that. I looked at it again today, it's still screwed up. It requires another, it requires. Alfred and I sitting down with us. Console, okay. It wasn't done the way we asked for it to be done. Huh, okay. It's a new slide. Okay, minutes. We've got September 30th, and October 14th. Yeah, I think September 30th, I didn't have any comments. That was a really short one. Yeah, that was a long one. That was a long one. Yeah, yeah. So I would make a motion to approve the September 30th minutes. Second. Comments, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. The opposed hearing none. Motion carries, October 14th. Rose added that, which I thought was good. Yeah, the proposal put zero cost to the town at this time. I had a comment really down, I think you had another one. Go back up. Sort of right where we were. About the EMFD. Where it says, in value for both retiring rescue three and the old rescue four. Yeah, the old rescue four. Okay. Because the new rescue four is the new one they just got from Melissa. Oh, okay, good point. All right. Yeah, I just wanted it to be clear that the land that they're getting is where this house is. The land and the building that are currently there was donated to Woodbury. And the property sits next to that old rundown store at Woodbury. You remember that one? It's on the same side of the, it's right next to where the property is. And they're gonna turn that into like green space the town is. Where the old store was? Yeah. I read them, I didn't have any comments. Yeah, I think that was it. I think that's it, right, Katie? There's some written in red there, Denise. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just about the listers, hey. I think that was it. But you wanna make a motion to approve them with the changes as noted? Make that a motion. Second. All right, for the discussion. Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, has everybody looked at the orders and warrants? Yep. Old business, new business? We need to go into executive session, help me. Do we? Yep. Okay. To pick up on the conversation earlier. Okay. Right. So I make the motion that we go into executive session under one, BSA section 313, A3. Personal matters? Yes. Personal matters. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. All right. Aye. 9.44.