 It's only animals' lives on the line man, it's not a big deal, it's only slaughterhouses, factory farms, and you know, murdered animals, so... I was vegan for about seven months. I did actually lose quite a lot of weight, maybe I just wasn't having enough calorie dense food. Come on, I'll pick you up! I did quite a lot of taste of fish. Exactly, so that's more like it, yeah, you just like the taste. I try to do it fast just like Sony, it's not that nice. Maybe it's chicken broth. No, I think I need chicken broth. I wouldn't do that. Yeah, exactly, so you wouldn't eat tofu or would you? No. I mean I can, I eat like a block like this. Do you think what happens to animals is wrong? Definitely morally wrong. But why aren't you vegan if you know the truth? Hi. What's going on mate? Farm Sanctuary. I don't have long but I just wanted to say hi. Hi brother. I used to watch some of your videos I think. Oh really? Your name's Joey, right? Yeah, I did watch your videos and my friend did as well I think. Hello, how are you? Nice to see you. I might be a bit of a hypocrite but do you like my heading? Farmer Sanctuary. The farmer assumes you're a vegan and you're wearing a sanctuary top and not. I got this when I used to be vegan. You used to? So now the animals are being rescued from you? So why aren't you vegan anyway? I spotted one of the pigs that I called Colin. Oh really? Do you eat pigs? Not often. So you eat Colin? No Colin. You eat beans like Colin? So you eat Frankie and... I do eat pork sometimes actually. Okay. And why? Even though I do like pigs I can easily count pork. I actually love pigs so it's a bit weird. I was vegan for about seven months. I enjoyed it and I felt quite good but I feel like after a while like after... maybe five or six months I just felt... I started to miss animal products to be honest. What do you mean? Did you have less energy or something? The main things were that I did actually lose quite a lot of weight doing it. Sounds like you were... Maybe I just wasn't having enough calories but I guess it's harder to find calorie dense food. Come on, I'll pick you up. You can just increase your calories. But I remember because I felt like at the time I felt like I was eating constantly. I just eat what I used to eat when I wasn't vegan. Like if I want pasta we have spaghetti, bolognese or processed pasta. Some people are going to go vegan that's just like beans and broccoli and salad and fruits. And then they're just dropping their calories down. I did have quite a lot of whole foods because I wanted to keep it healthy. So I avoided some of the processed foods. The main reason though is probably just because I felt like it's easier for me to stay healthy when I have animal products because they are quite nutritious. Nutritious can mean a lot of things. What do you mean by nutritious? I think diet is harder to get. I don't know if it's impossible. Is it possible to get B12 born? Not impossible. Not because they fortify the food. And then I mean the three you can get from chia seeds and walnuts. Can you get enough from that? Yeah. Because when I was vegan I just had porridge with chia seeds which is quite nice. But you've got to grind them up. You get flax seeds fine. Or you can take a DHA supplement, vegan algae supplement. It's easy. I did quite a lot of taste of fish. Exactly. So that's more like it. You just like the taste. So it is a taste thing isn't it mate? You seem like a trim guy already. You seem trim. I have a fast metabolism. So maybe you might run into issues if you go out with your calories so you've got to be careful. But that's just a little bit extra olive oil mate. I don't know. I love olive oil. Yeah so what can tend to happen is you fall back into your old mindset and because if you don't have a good support group, well it might not be what happened. How could you have a moral position and then not have a moral position? That's all. I feel like maybe I've tried to justify myself by saying that I needed it for my health but it's probably not entirely true. So in my situation it did affect my health a little bit. Yeah because you did. But I'm not saying that's completely justified. I could be a meat eater any 800 calories a day and then be like well eating meat harmed my health. And I would say no. It was eating 800 calories a day harmed your health. So was it really a plant based diet or was it something that you were doing something else? No that's true. I felt like when I was a vegan though I was eating healthily. I was eating nutritious foods. You might not have been eating enough. Maybe it wasn't enough calories. Did you track your calories at all? I didn't so. Let's just say I'm eating a certain amount of food. Some of it's cheese. Yeah. I go vegan. I take the cheese out and I didn't replace it with vegan cheese because I didn't like it. I just removed 200-300 calories a day. You know what I'm saying? So you could just be pulling your calories down lower. I was just saying I probably was reducing my calories. You probably mindlessly because you didn't replace the cheese. Yeah I didn't track any of this. It's just me guessing. I assumed I probably didn't have enough calories. And maybe I'm blaming it on the less calorie dense foods. But I think because I felt like the volume of food I had and I was eating quite often I felt like I thought that would maybe come as a balance in here. I wasn't sure because I didn't get that kind of calories. Volume doesn't translate to calories. No not quite but it was quite a lot of calories. Volume can translate to lower calories. Especially in the vegan context because of the amount of fibre of water in plant foods. So like if you're eating a little bit extra roughage like lettuce, kale, broccoli, vegetables, potatoes, things like those they're very low calorie dense foods but they are very volumous. So you might be like whoa I'm full. I'm not afraid to fill you up when it's done surely. No but if you were having potatoes, beans and a bunch of broccoli That would be quite filling. And if you just had a little extra broccoli you could displace your calories with dilute food. So that over time you're having 300 calories less every single day for 6 months. And then you could run into a deficit and you'd be like oh I feel like shit. So tracking is a good idea at the start especially when you're Maybe that's something I shouldn't have done. I guess I didn't think about it at the time. It's only animals' lives on the line man. It's not a big deal. It's only slaughterhouses, factory farms and murdered animals. So maybe tracking might be a nice thing to do. And when I went vegan in 2013 there wasn't all of these influences. There wasn't all of these resources. There was much less actually available. There was hardly any YouTubers. There was hardly any videos like this to help. There was nothing. But I was just like you know what I'm a vegan. But I did it wrong. I ate too much raw food. I ate too much watermelon and my stomach. I've got stomach aches. Then I realised I've just got to eat what I normally eat. But vegan and try to make it like I don't want to eat heaps of junk. Now I've got to be careful. I'll just put on weight so easily. You're in good shape though. Yeah, yeah I'm in good shape. I've got. You've got to sketch the gym quite a lot as well. A little bit. Yeah I've been training again lately. But yeah I don't have any problem with my muscles. What are your main protein sources when you're a vegan? When I'm training I've got tofu. Tofu's more fatty. We've got tempeh as well. I eat seitan. We eat a lot of mock meat as well. But we eat it with vegetables. We eat it with. Yeah because I'm not going to say it's not nutritious at all. Nah yeah. I don't want to look. I'm not under no illusions that some of the vegan stuff is not healthy. The food I'm protein is going to fill seitan. Yeah like if you find some good seitan. Like if you press some tofu or whatever. A few fried tofu. So make it like oily and crunchy. Yeah I used to do that. I think I made. Because I try to do it fast just like I said. It's not that nice as it's raw. It's chicken raw. No it's chicken raw. I wouldn't do that. Yeah exactly. So you wouldn't eat tofu? No. I mean I can. I eat like a block like this. Okay. And then I try to scramble tofu. I think I try to sort of taste kind of scramble tofu. Yeah nutritional yeast scramble tofu. Ketchup. Bread. Eat like a normal person but like vegan. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think people are overthinking. I'm a vegan now. It's watermelon and cabbage for dinner. I don't think that's what you did. I definitely didn't do that. I do see people like not recognizing that their stomach capacity is actually tuned to higher calorie dense food. So like a sandwich or something you know. And then when they're going to be vegan they change their entire diet. So even the calorie density and then they run into like slowly creeps up on a calorie deficit. I do play quite a sport so I work out sometimes. I feel like I used to eat a lot so I must have a fast metabolism. Yeah. So that probably made it also harder when I was vegan. She's going to be a model. I should have had more calories. Maybe I could have kept track of it. But also what do you think about like cedar as a stuff? I don't know that much about the nutrition of it but some people say it's really unhealthy and some think it's alright. I would assume it's not fat healthy. Well it depends on what you mean. I mean it's not. It's high in calories and it's heart healthy. But the people who talk about that are Paul Saladino on that. They use like in vitro rat studies. They don't use human population data. When you replace saturated fat which is the fat predominant in meat. It's also in plant foods but it's predominant in meat. When you replace saturated fat with poofers which are polyunsaturated fats you reduce heart disease risk by 30%. Can you fact check me? Because I think that's true. But yeah they're healthy foods. There's no human population data that I'm aware of that suggests that these seed oils are unhealthy. The carnivore people are a bit quacky. Yeah I haven't actually seen many. I don't know many carnivores. Paul Saladino thinks broccoli is trying to kill us. This is the same people who think seed oils are unhealthy. I don't think I trust their opinion around that. But it's really nice talking to you. And the animals need you. You've got a nice heart. I think that you would be very utterly disturbed if I talked you into the places where these animals have to leave in order to bring you their body parts. It used to be one of my favourite animals when I was vegan. And I still like them now. I probably should cut out for them. Being a friend to the animals and feeding them. I like all the farm animals right here. They're quite innocent. I'm not going to try and justify it anymore. It wouldn't be easy for me to try and be a vegan again. It would be quite hard. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to be honest. I don't know if I'm going to be a vegan. But I can. Before you make the decision to do anything just watch Dominion from start to end. Is it stable? Just watch it. I think I know what it's going to be. But once you know the depths of it and then make whatever choice comes to your heart basically you've got the knowledge of things. And then you can act based on that knowledge. I've got to talk to some other people now. Take care.