 A lot of people wanted to make the comparison Jeter and MJ, you know, some people were tweeting about it. You know, they were winning is the only thing that matters, you know, tireless work and long careers and Jeter had a 20 year career. Jeter's also charismatic, like he could drop a joke and be a little sassy in his interview, especially when Kim Jones and him really got like a rapport. She really brought out like a humorous side of Jeter I thought in his post game interviews. But what do you see any similarities? Do you think Jeter led in that way? Was he tough on his teammates or was it just lead by example and try to keep up? I'll give you my answer in a second, but I'm going to tell you that I interviewed Mattingly a couple of weeks ago. Mattingly obviously saw a little of Jeter in 95, then as a coach, obviously saw him again. Now works for him with the Marlins. Mattingly is a big Jordan fan and Mattingly in his own way was Jordan-esque in New York for a while. He talked about how he understood in the last dance where Jordan was, I'm just staying in my hotel room because I can't go out. Mattingly said that Jeter reminded him of Jordan, that he saw a lot of similarities. And I think John Boyd that you just hit on some of those similarities. I think the single mindedness, I think the focus, I think the get the heck out of my way we're winning this game. I think where there was a difference is that Jeter's leadership style from what I observed and have heard from teammates was more lead by example. I'm not going to say that in his 20 year career, Jeter never got in a player's face because he did. He got in David Wells' face once after Wells kind of threw his hands up in the air when a ball fell between a few fielders. From that footage, it seemed like this was not only a daily occurrence with Jordan. This was multiple times a day. I'm going to ride you. I'm going to make you feel like you're worthless because when the crunch time comes, I need you to be tough. I don't think Jeter did that. I don't think that was a Jeter's DNA to do what we saw Jordan do over and over again. That Jordan-Bernie dynamic would have been a really interesting one. Those different ends of the spectrum there to say the least. I hadn't thought about that, but that's a very interesting call by you. Bernie did not react well when a thug like Mel Hall was trying to get him to be a certain way. But Mel Hall was doing it more out of viciousness. I think that if Michael Jordan, let's say Michael Jordan in basketball was Michael Jordan in baseball. And if he said to Bernie, you've got to get a bigger secondary lead, man. We don't need you to be cement shoes over there at first base. You ran track in Puerto Rico. You're the fastest guy in the team. Get a bigger secondary lead. I think Bernie would have reacted well with that. It was the Bernie you're wearing funny glasses and you look like you should be in a librarian. Gabs from Mel Hall that Bernie didn't appreciate. And nobody should. Why should anybody appreciate that? Yeah, it's also just such a different dynamic with basketball. Like, you know, Jordan, their practices were games. And they played against each other. It's not like baseball. You you just, you know, maybe in spring training, you do live BP, but even that's a little different. But that leads it to just, you know, you can't do it. But also, Jeter never seemed like from all the stories you hear as more guys would come over, think he was overrated, not get it and then just see him his day to day and his schedule. And you hear so many players say like, Hey, once I played with him, I really, I really appreciated what he does day in and day out. I used to always tell people that when he and A-Rod were side by side, and if you look at A-Rod statistically, his numbers dwarf Jeter's numbers. I mean, a shortstop that puts up those power numbers. I thought A-Rod was the more talented player, but I thought Jeter was the better baseball player. And I think anybody who watches baseball and understands baseball knows exactly what I'm saying, that Jeter just had a knack for knowing what the right thing was to do instinctually and making the right play and being in the right place, flip play, i.e. But about what you said about Jordan, too, is I just think there's more of a way in basketball to lead when you get in somebody's face with 15 seconds left. He was getting the ball. How many times were the Yankees trailing by one run in the ninth thing and Jeter's not even getting it back? I just think there's a different way in basketball when you you're touching the ball on every possession, you're going to have to sort of drag guys along with you. I don't know if that exists in baseball, because of what I just said. Baseball is its own biggest bully in a way, too. Like the game is going to beat you up. You're going to go over 20, you're going to go over four in a day. If you had another guy just rubbing that in every time it happened, you'd snap. You'd snap like crazy. It's a great point. So that's crazy for all for all our analytical listeners that just heard Jeter's a better baseball player than a rod that are coming back from their heart attack. It's OK. You're going to be OK. And by the way, I would argue that. And I would have I would have a lot of evidence to support what I the point I was trying to make, but I know what you're saying. Well, yeah, I think day in, day out, Jeter did more to help his team win than a rod did because it's so many untangibles and so much like, hey, if Jeter's locked in for every single at bat, I better be locked in for every single bad. And if Jeter's backing up the throw every single time, I better do it. You know, and stuff like that really changes the whole team. It matters. I agree.