 Okay, it's 6.30, shall we call the meeting to order? We have a quarrel. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you. Are there any additions to the agenda? I guess I would just like to make a clarification on the agenda for the potential executive session at the end. It's not here in the short version of the agenda, but in the select board memo under that is not only zoning administrator transition, which I think may be appropriate for an executive session, but signing the revised personnel policies, something we can do in this session. Yeah, okay. Okay, okay. It's been in the last couple of years. We have to sign it. Yeah, we have to sign it. That's not necessarily the report. Now we're going to sign it. Okay. Okay. And if she is. Hello, Judith, welcome. We have, we've called the meeting to order and we're just talking about additions to the agenda. We don't seem to have any. Do you have any? Can you hear us? Judith. I can hear you. I missed the beginning of what you said, but I don't have any additions to the agenda. Okay, that was a question. And Judith's one comment, our website is down. So, I discovered that. I've got to work to start emailing you documents that may be related to the meeting. Of course, the initial part of the meeting is all about the zoning administrator candidate, which you have essentially everything for that already. But for anything coming up, I will work to, I'll start emailing you documents as needed. Okay, thank you. Maybe the domain will resurrect itself. Stranger things have happened. Okay. Let us now review the minutes of May 16th, 2022. Are there any comments in the minutes of May 15th, 2022? I thought they looked fine, but you said, Carl, that you had some comment on them. I did. Okay. John? I find those. Okay, so I recognize that there's a balance between getting recording what we did, which these do very well and going into too much detail about why we did it and blow by blow discussion, which these don't do. And I don't think it's necessary. However, I think they could move a little bit more in the direction of giving some explanation to future generations and to townspeople right now about why we did what we did. The first thing I would like to add, and I have all of these written down genuts in a document that I can just email you afterwards if everybody's acceptable with my suggestion. The first one is merely cosmetic, I would say. It's on the bottom of the first page about the rec board. The board was comfortable with the policy as written. I would like to amend and thank the recreation board for their work. Any objections? Okay. Second page, top of the second page, the take on drive, take on drive name change. I would like to insert after the sentence, the state no longer allows hyphenated names. I'd like to insert removing the hyphenation will cause some additional work in the town office, comma, but it will ultimately remove a potential source of confusion in databases. No objection to that. I'll move on. Confirmation of agreement for FY 2022 Sullivan powers audit at the end of the first sentence, I would like to explain further. And this is adapted from the select board memo for that meeting in December, 2019, the town signed an agreement with Sullivan powers and company PC to do the town's financial audits for FY 2021 and 22. The company likes to certify the individual ear components when they come up for multi-year agreements. And so has presented an agreement for the town's FY 2022 financial audit. While the agreement spoiler plate language has changed slightly since the town signed off on the three year agreement due to accounting standard shifts, the actual terms remain the same. Seeing no objections going on to the curb, curb cut question replace the last sentence of the first paragraph, the board agreed to approve with the board recognized that the road requires significant work to be used regularly and reliably, especially for the sort of equipment required in home construction. However, the parcel meets zoning requirements and there does not appear to be a better place for a curb cut, whether and how the road will be upgraded and who will pay for it will be the subject of future discussion with Eastmont Peeler Roadforming, that's repair it. I'm sorry, this is Judith. I know I wasn't at the meeting, but I'm wondering about that last bit, whether and how, I don't know what that adds and it might invite more confusion and questions. I don't know that that's needed. The question I'm gonna have is, I mean, I don't know, I mean, I have to go back and watch the videos at these exact words were used, but, you know, I don't recall some of these same things that explicitly during the meeting. So we did not commit to upgrading the road. No, I agree. I want to make that clear. Yeah. And this is not intended. No, I mean, some of the added color that you're putting, I don't remember some of those specific words. I'd have to go back and watch the video that that was said. I think these are not intended to be quotes, these are paraphrases of what happened. The, I mean, if you're uncomfortable with whether and how I'm comfortable with talking about potential improvements, potential improvements. So that would be... I guess my concern is, if that wasn't the topic of discussion, then why add that whole sentence? Well, it was a topic of discussion. It's reflected in the original draft as well with potential improvements. I just rephrased it. And I, you know, I'm thinking too that we don't need to specify who we're gonna be discussing this with. It could be because we're gonna be discussing this with the property owners too. That's true. And anybody in the town is welcome to come in and join the discussion. Maybe say that as opposed to saying we're gonna talk about the topic of discussion. We're not gonna just talk about the subject of future discussion period. Okay. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Everybody okay with that? Yes. And that was it for that. The motion. You need a motion to approve as amended. So move. Is there a second? Second. So if you're recording the names of the person you know all our names. Me. John. Perfect. What do you call me? Carl. Yes. I was planning to do these revisions to these minutes. Right. But she's taking the minutes for this meeting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So all those in favor, you say aye. Aye. Opposed? Does it appear to have it? Yeah, I do have it. Point of clarification do we, I know that Bruce refers to us as Mr. Joe at Ms. Willis. Do we want to continue to do it that way? I was the one who started that and I'm comfortable with this, but I have no strong feelings. What do you think, Judith? I don't have a preference one way or the other. I just wanted to reflect that I abstained from the voting on the minutes because I wasn't here. Okay. Thank you. And you know, Deirdre's here next to me. She's our note taker for tonight. Aye. Hello. Hi there. We didn't introduce everybody. Yeah, that was for the discussion. We're just really so polite. I'm sorry. What are you here for? I think we should take a minute just to go around to say our first and last names to our lovely note taker Deirdre. Okay. We should probably get out those placards. We can get out the placards too. I'm sorry. Not this time, but for next meeting. I'm sorry. Okay. So would you like to begin? Sure. I'm Amy Willis, select board member. I'm Carl Fetnire. I'm the vice chair of the select board. I'm John Jewett, select board member. And I'm Judith Dillon, select board member. You know, you're back. Yes. Yes. We have an email. And have you met Seth, the chairman? Okay. You'll meet him. Okay. Ronnie Declan. He's coming in later. He's not going to participate in the beginning of the session. He's going to be here around 8 o'clock. So you'll meet him. It will be hard to miss him. Yes. Sorry about that. It's okay. Okay. So any comments on the May 23rd, 2022 select board meeting minutes? Okay. I would like to, in the in-person public attendance add the name of Gilberto from Orca Media. And what is Gilberto's last name, you know? Okay. Do you know the spelling of this name? G-I-L-B-E-R-T-O. Okay. That's just the first name. Oh, okay. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. And then it appears that Tom Brasier was representing the Times Argus. I'd like to clarify that. The Tom Brasier. Oh, no. Semi-Colon. Semi-Colon. And then David Delcore, comma, Times Argus. Yeah, David didn't sign it, and I would look at the shirts he was. Right. Right. And then to say that the chair arrived and assumed control of the meeting sounds a little bit harsh. I suggest took over chairing the meeting at 8.03 p.m. And then down in the discussion of the revised quote for the Dodge Ram at the end of the first paragraph, the board was not pleased with the price increase but recognized that it would be difficult or impossible to obtain a comparable vehicle at a lower price even with the increase. Just to let townspeople know we were not happy throwing away another $4,000 of their money or $3,500 of their money. But we didn't feel we had much choice in the matter. Okay, that was it for that one. Is there a motion to approve the minutes as amended? Is it May 23rd? So will. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All those opposed? All those abstaining? Aye. Okay. Motion passes. And Gina, I will email these two documents to you. Why don't I do that right now? So it's done. Yes, please. No? Yes, I've done the census. E-I-A-V, I've done S-A-N-T-O-S. Okay. Did you get that? Gina, do you want me to write it down? No, you could. Okay. I'm trying to email documents. Okay, sure. I have to reopen today's quote. Okay, the next item on the docket is public comment. So remember the public who would like to comment. Seeing none, move on to B, the zoning administrator transition. This is a potential executive session. The first part is board work session to discuss the VA position. And then at 7.15, we have the VA candidate interview and is a candidate scheduled to come in here in person at 7.15? Practice. Very good. So would the board like to go into executive session to prepare to interview the candidate? Is there a need to? Well, we'll be developing questions. The candidate. Don't we already have the questions? Well, we'll be discussing our interview strategy. Those were a draft. Yeah. Okay. I think we need to go into executive session for about 10 minutes or so. Okay. Are you making the motion to? I'll make a motion. We are executive session under title, whatever it is. Title nine. Very good. BSA 313A3. Title chapter one. That's what she said. That's exactly. Yeah. So you moved. Did you second it, Amy? Sure. Okay. Very good. Wearing out all our emotions here. All those in favor, please say hi. You know when the report, you guys started recording on ARCA is now 810 PM and we have emerged from executive session, having conducted an interview prepared for an interview of a zoning administrator candidate and having interviewed said candidate that we are taking no action at this time. However, we have scheduled another meeting of the select board for a week from today, Monday, June 30th, 13th at 6.30 PM to discuss further action on this issue. And also for the minutes, we were joined during the executive session by Scott Hess. His name is spelled up on the board. He's a member of the planning commission. So the next item on the agenda is a consideration of the warrant to impound unlicensed dogs. We also have a town clerk report. A town clerk report. Okay. C. C. Item C. Item C, town clerk report. Very good. That was a town clerk for 7.45. Okay. That's fair. Oh, nice. Is this a good time? You are here at the nick of time. Oh, perfect timing. Yes. We have worked through B, finished B. We've just come out of executive session and we are about to jump into the town clerk report. Perfect. I love it. So we're going to do C. Yes. Okay. Thank you. You bet. Over to you, sir. Rather than a formal town clerk report report, I generally spend this time with you to talk about the records retention schedules and how we're managing that. So we have been managing them sort of on the left, well for the last three years now. We have a schedule that we follow for shredding certain financial documents and recycling a number of others. We've been sort of in the groove of doing that a couple of times a year now and our next schedule won't happen until after the audit is finished in August. The only change that we would like to request is actually in addition to the retention plan and the current treasurer Don Welch and I were talking about it and he is very concerned about the liability we may have in holding people's checks but they give us when they pay their taxes or any other item. He holds them as part of a deposit in the vault in a small box. The box is small, there's not a whole lot of room and he's concerned that these are other people's checks. Why do we even keep them? They've been scanned and sent to the bank. So he and I talked, well I talked to a couple of other clerks around. Most people don't keep them at all but between Don and I we thought that it was appropriate to keep them for six months or until after the audit for that year is complete. So what we're looking for is we wanna have the last tax payments. So for example, this last tax payment dated for May 15th. We're gonna hold on to those for the next six months. Our tax audit for this year will already be completed. It'll be safe by next November to recycle those, we'll actually shred them basically, throw them in the shred bin and then we'll have the new checks. We've never had people come and ask, sorry, I'm not looking this way. We've never had people come and ask who paid for what. And it's really difficult to say who paid those taxes. We don't know, we just know that they're paid. So for that reason, the state has actually not developed a retention for this. I am suggesting that it be under accounting. And as I said, until the audit is complete, work for six months, whichever is later. So can I ask a couple of questions? Sure. Why are we keeping the checks when we already get the money? No, good. It's something that has been happening here historically for years. And how do we keep them now? Well, now we're keeping them for at least a year. Okay. We actually had to get rid of some because we just didn't have any room for them anymore last year. So we're probably looking at about nine months worth right now. And what do other town folks do? Where are the towns do? They get rid of them. Right away? Yeah. I don't get why we keep it. Because we don't have it in the retention plan. So I'm asking you if we can put it in the retention plan. I think we should do that. Do you need a motion on that? I think that we can... Wait a minute. Do we have any more questions left? Yeah, I do. I don't. Seth, do you have another question? I'm just trying to think of a reason to keep the checks. How do we do that? I mean... We already get the money. We've got the money and it's scanned into the bank. I'm just trying to process it in my key brain while you... The bank would have a copy of the checks. If it's kept for copy, we're needed. Yes. You indicated that we know the taxes are paid, but we don't know who paid them. And I can imagine circumstances where... When they become delinquent later, that it might be useful to know who paid them the last time around. No, because the owner of that property is in charge of taking care of that payment. It doesn't matter who's paid them in the past. That's true, but we get into complicated estate issues. And it's not clear who has ownership of the property and is responsible for paying. I don't. Have we ever had an issue with the ownership of that property? The property owner is responsible for paying. Yeah, simple as that. You know you need it. Right. In the other page, people used to write checks when they found people were delinquent on their taxes, hoping they had to take over the land. You can't. The person owns the property, is responsible for the taxes, and if they're paid, they still own the land. Now, we have a situation right now where there is an adult child who is making payments on their parents' tax bill. Right. Their parents are still responsible for the tax bill. Right, right. But the taxes are getting paid, so. Taxes are getting paid. But it might be useful to be able to contact that adult child, and would we have that information? We wouldn't have it on the check, well, in this case, because this check is generated by the bank, but... Legally, could you? Legally, I don't know. If they're not the owner of the property, I don't know that legally you could. You have to go to the home. Yeah. Well, you couldn't. There's nothing legally to keep you from calling somebody up and asking questions, right? I mean, you aren't going to put us... About their taxes? About, yeah, about their parents, for example. We can't contact their parents. Why didn't we want to do that? I don't know, I don't know. Maybe we'll go... Let's put it to ourselves. We'll go for it. It's just trick-or-treat. Yeah, I'm just trying to figure this out. Dude, it's fun. Dude, it's... What do you mean? She wanted to say something, too. Did you miss out at the beginning of the... Well, productive to actually contact the adult's child, well, are you going to pay this? It's not up to them. It's not their responsibility whether they pay or don't pay. So having a history of who paid before, it's still up to the property owner to pay. So we can't be, you know, donning the adult child to pay the taxes because they've done it in the past. No, I am not suggesting that we are going to don anybody. I'm suggesting that it might be useful to find out some information about the property owner that we could get through the check. That's not PC, buddy. No, I don't disagree with your thought process, but it probably is not appropriate. In this case, the check comes... It's a band-generated check. We don't have no information. I think we should get rid of the check. I don't know why you'd want to keep them. So do you want to get rid of them completely or do you want to keep them until... I want to get the money out of the check. You see that. You do that pretty well. Then get rid of them. I mean, how long does it take to make sure the check's so clear? Yeah, that's all the time. Three days. Yeah, that's it. Three days. So how about clearance date plus a week? Okay. That works for me. Wow, we compromised. It's awesome. Thank you. This is democracy. It is, actually. It's called class rules. I'm going to say I was being conservative. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. So we could re-radify this action so that this can be added to the... Retention. Select board approved retention plan. That would be wonderful. Right. And just to clarify, when we say when a clear is plus a week, then how do you interpret that? Do you must you shred it on that particular day or that you just have the option of doing it and when you get around to it, whether it's some extra time, you do it. Yeah, it doesn't have to be an exact day. Yeah. Right. It gives us the option to do it right away. We're not. Yeah. Good. I mean, especially with our limited space, we have to work towards getting rid of paper. That's a message that... It's basically going to go up in flames one day. You can sell this paper. No, because that vault is fireproof. She hasn't seen my office. You can burn around it. That'll be the only corner. Okay. Okay. Anything else over here? What's that? Say it again. She was just describing the altos that I have. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the smelly creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. It's the old creepy paper. So anything else, Rosie? No. I don't think so. I mean, this is pretty standard stuff. It hasn't changed a whole lot. This is the first change we've requested since, you know, three years ago. That's not too big a deal. We are really thankful that you... It's working pretty well. You pioneered this record retention policy in our following. It's called good housekeeping. Right? Good housekeeping. We need a little space. What are we doing next? Are you going to revise the policy with this change and bring it back to us to approve? Or how are we doing that? Is it a motion? Or do they sign? I think that we need to have a motion to append to the existing... We should probably, yeah. Yeah. So one of the... It'll take a motion. One of the nice... Yeah. To change the policy. Reflecting that. We'll set it up so that you have it for the next meeting. Yeah. That way we can review the whole policy. Help you. Are you looking for the policy or the plan? Because we're not changing the policy. The retention plan itself is all I'm asking. Thank you for keeping me on. Let's look at the plan. Because the policy is on. Yeah. Because there are some members of the select board who probably... Never seen it. Never seen it. Oh, right. We've got new people. It's interesting stuff. Okay. So Gina, could you put up both the plan and the policy on the website for us to review for next time? Once we have a functioning website. Yeah. I'm happy to do that. Thank you. Sorry, that's a little upsetting. Yeah. Yes. So do we make a motion? No. We need to make a motion. Oh, you're just going to... We're going to go until next time. Okay. Good. Thank you. All right. So can we move on to D? I'm going to crack the wet mode. Okay. Yeah. Consideration of warrant and pound on license talks. Sorry. What? Now that you've read it, may I speak? Oh, yeah, sure. Gina, did you get my email? Yeah. And the version you have is revised. Okay. But you... Yes, and Rosie is aware of the change. Okay. Yeah. So just so you know, we were originally sent or posted on the website a version of this which was given to us as a draft last year where the animal control officer was commanded to impound unlicensed dogs. And last year we softened that to authorize the ACO to do that. And I requested that the language be the same this year as last year. Okay. I think that happened last year. You guys did that in the meeting and then Bruce took it back and changed the language. Right. So if you look at the website... It was on my computer. If you look at the website what was approved last year that it has the language that I described. Okay. So I just want to make sure I'm making out the right version that you're looking for. So the first line it says commanded that's what you're looking for. That's the language? No. That's the language that I asked to have changed. And because the website is down I can't pull it up but I think it's probably... Is it in our packet here? I got it right here. I think you have it revised. Right here. Yes. Yeah, okay. By the authority of the state of Vermont. You are hereby authorized to impound any dogs and will hybrids not duly licensed, et cetera. That's the one we're working on? Yes. Yes. Yes. Can I ask is the second sentence a dog will hybrids that is impounded may be transferred to a animal shelter or rescue organization? Is that still in there? Yes. Yes. Okay. The third sentence we use to a different term that the dog or will hybrids cannot be placed in an adopted home or transferred to a humane society or rescue organization. Do we mean we should either say animal shelter or humane society? Not both. You see what I mean? I should give to... She talked about animal shelter. The third sentence just... You know, leaves open another possibility. She wants to change the humane society. What do you want to change? Make a standard. The second sentence a dog or wolf hybrid that is impounded may be transferred to an animal shelter or rescue organization for the purpose of finding an adopted home for the dog or a hybrid. The next sentence is what happens if you can't do that. If the dog or wolf hybrid cannot be placed in an adopted home or transferred to a humane society or rescue organization. So you're saying it should be either humane society, humane society, or animal shelter, animal shelter? Correct? Yes. Both sentences. I see. So animal shelter changed to humane society. In practice this makes no difference because the humane society will not take an impounded dog because we know who the owner is. And we have no rescue organization that we work with. I think you're just looking for consistency in the term. So Rosie, do you have any advice or preference? So do you have a specific edit that you want to suggest? Yes, she wants for animal shelter and both. Pick either animal shelter or humane society. Pick one of the two. Now both. How about animal shelter? In both sentences. Sure. That makes sense. And what is the purpose of the second paragraph? I'm not saying it's not necessary, but it will help me to give my edit. It's the statutory language. It's to ask for a report. Which I don't think as a select board member I've ever received from an animal control officer and as an animal control officer I haven't given to a select board. What? You're fired. Well, off is that basically. I just went to 3587 and there's, let me just see if there's something about a different report. So do you just so you understand I'm an animal control officer in town? Oh, all right. And for that purpose I will recuse myself from this vote. I'll give it. Don't call me because that's not an animal control officer. If you don't go spreading that rumor. Domestic animals. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I get that it's from the statute. I don't know what I'm saying, but it's not. It's actually poorly drafted. But. Is that, is that uncommon with statutes? Nowadays it is. Yeah. The goal is moving forward to be clear and use clear language and avoid hear off, fail, not, and do return. This is. Anything. So. No. You know, provide notice to provide report to. You know, I don't know if that's something. Something anyway, but the other, the more substantive question that I had is. How does the. The first paragraph says what you do with it. It's either to give it to an animal shelter or rescue organization. And then after that, the dogs destroyed, but you don't destroy the dog, someone else destroys the dog. How do you know what, how many dogs have been destroyed? You know what I'm saying? The second paragraph asks for the number. First paragraph does not imply that the rescue organization or anybody other than the animal control officer is going to destroy the dog. The reverse. So you have an option of destroying the dog in a humane way as an animal control officer, or you can pass it off to somebody else. And then you know how many have been destroyed versus how many. Have been destroyed. Yes. Because I've shot them with my own gun. I could have gone my whole life without knowing that, but that's okay. We were getting on so well Carl. It's never happened. When I first joined the select board, I was asked to sign one of these. Requiring that they be destroyed, not that they be impounded, but requiring that they be destroyed. And then the statute was changed to allow us. And we all ignored that. Everybody ignored it. We signed it because it was statutorily required. And the statute apparently was changed to allow us to. Have them be impounded. We're not destroyed. But still in this year. So what are we doing here? Can we just pass it? Change the last line. We don't have to say, we have to change the last line. We have to change the last line. We don't need to change our hands at. At East Montpelier. That's, we don't need to. Have that. You know what I'm saying. Just say dated. At East Montpelier, Vermont, this blank day of. That's it. Yeah. Do you know, do you have those amendments? And let me see. amendments to something like this. Do you know is that you? Well, I'm doing it right now. Okay. And I'm going to send it to the printer. Okay. Okay, so we can pass the revise. Right. Just one small question. The 90 days from date hereof, that's the date of our signing this. So this requirement is only due once a year or is it due 90 days after you transfer or dispose of the dog? Because this doesn't say it's after. My understanding is 90 days after the incident. After this signature, but. Yeah, that's my understanding too. But I've never impounded or destroyed any dogs. Okay. All right. Because that's what it says. I just want to make sure that that was the intent. Okay. Right. So we need a motion to pass it. Right. I'm refusing myself on this entirely. Okay. You can make a motion. Okay. I don't think that's because of how it was reviewed. John, you made the motion. And I just, I'll make a motion. Just say that I make a motion that we approve the war to impound unlicensed dogs for June 6th, 2022, with amendments that were recommended tonight. Yep. Is that okay? Deletions are recommended. Yeah, and amendments. Amendments. Yeah. You don't have to say deletions. Amendments. Perfect. Okay. We have a second? I'll second that. You will? No, of course. My God. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. Four of us voted and Carl Batus himself. Correct. For the record. You good? Can we move to the next? E, consideration I quote for completion of land record. Digitization project. So essentially my understanding of the history of this was there was a number in the previous town administrators had that this would cost. We're catching up to that number now. So the quote came in, it was lower than expected. Essentially, well, but where we are right now is we're catching up to the higher number that was expected back then. So originally they quoted 28,000 to digitize the land records from 1848 to 1988. So far we've paid 19,555 dollars towards that. There's another 86, 25 that they have yet to bill. But in addition to that, we now have a quote that's another 21,000 to finish this project. Wow. So the reason for this is, well, the town clerk can also articulate this. The reasons behind it. The reason behind it is mostly that there are very few companies that do digitization of land records. The ones that do have been inundated with requests due to COVID mostly. So they have come up with different ways to quote their systems. And the quote that we received was based on each document being two and a quarter or two and a half pages long. Now that's great, except that as we get closer to modern times, we have documents that are literally 16 to 18 pages long. Your standard mortgage used to be a page. It's now 18 pages. So that's what we ran into as far as the document number, the page numbers are concerned. The other concern that came up is that because of that many extra documents, they indexed by document. And there's a separate indexing fee. The indexing is what allows us to find it in the system. So it's really important. We want to pay for that. Yeah, we do want to pay for that. We were incredibly smart way back when Sylvia was here getting all of this stuff microfilm. So all I've had to do is take that microfilm and digitize it for us. There are many towns out there that are paying literally $100,000 to get their land records digitized right now, okay? So in any case, I'm not saying it's a deal of the century, but I believe that the fees are fair. And the last quote that Gina was talking about includes books one through 20, which are all handwritten. Wow. There's a higher cost for indexing handwritten documents because of the legibility basically, making sure that they get accurate information. I will say I've done a fantastic job so far in getting us online, doing it accurately and doing it completely. Before they deliver to our online source, they send me any questions. The first time I have literally three pages of, we're missing this page number. We're missing this page number or it says as a discharge here, we're not seeing the discharge. So they're really being meticulous about how they're doing it. And that's irreplaceable, if you will, because the whole idea of having those there, we've got to be able to find those records. We've got to be able to trace back the chain of title and ensure that mortgages have been discharged. So what we're asking for today is for you folks to approve the overage and to approve this last piece to bring us back down to book one and have everything digitized. Now, do we get any money back on that from anywhere else? We do get, we get money from Avenue. Whenever any of the attorneys are online looking at our documents, if they're looking at them, it's free. If they print them, they're charged $3 a page, we get $1.50 back. That's right. So we get about a hundred bucks a month. It's not a huge amount, but it is pretty steady. We had a pretty quiet last few months, of course, there's not been any inventory in the real estate market right now, but it is picking up. And we do have a number of attorneys that are just not coming anymore because they don't have to. They'd rather pay the $3 and spend the money to come here. So have we gotten grants in the past to do that? It is, we did get, I don't know that we've gotten grants, but what we did is we've always had money in a preservation fund that we've been using. That we've been using. And in fact, this last bunch was paid for strictly by the $4 a page. Each page that's recorded costs $15. Of that $15, we are required now by law to save $4 and put it in a separate preservation fund. So we used up the last of that preservation fund, I believe, but that keeps growing every time I record something, it's another $4. Right. So we can use that. We could use that, but there's not enough in there. No, nothing, right. But we could use ARPA money. It is ARPA-eligible. Or we could use our own funding from our general fund and then use ARPA to bring that up. We can use that for reimbursing. So after Avenue finishes this project for us, will this relationship with them where they pay us $1.50 per page that's printed out by somebody, will that continue? It does continue. And in fact, we have a monthly contract with them because they are our records manager. Oh, I see. Yeah. So they're still involved in the process. They're still involved in, you know, it's... I think we should probably just do it, especially if we can reimburse ourselves at some point. Yeah. And when we get up, go ahead. I'm wondering if there was any funding attached to, I think it was Act 171, which is the uniform law standards and best practices applicable to land records and notaries. Was there any funding associated with that? I'm just scanning it now. I'm not seeing anything, but... My understanding, Judith, is that the only funding that they were giving, well, that they had submitted with that particular law, and that's a relatively new one, so I may not know all of the intricacies, is that they were actually going to fund a full-time person at the Secretary of State's office to assist towns in A, finding vendors, B, finding money, and C, teaching them how to use it. Okay. But no brainer that we need to do it. And unfortunately, there's just more, but it seems reasonable from what Rosie and Gina are saying, and we can get reversed if we want to, and it seems like we have a funding source to help offset some of those costs as well. It could be that in two years, I'll have made enough in recording fees to pay it back. Right, right, okay. What will we end up with these handwritten records? Will they be digitized in such a way that we can search the words and everything? It'll be like that we're typed? You can't search the words in our current system as it is right now, but you will have an image that we can read. Will it be typed? It won't be the handwritten anymore. No, it is handwritten. It would just continue the handwritten. It's the actual document. Land records are required by law to be permanent. So what we're doing is we're making photocopies, if you will, of the permanent records, which is also a good thing to have in the event that the place burns down. I wasn't wishing. Okay. So just don't let Carl ask what to just do. This brings us from book one to book 20, or does this bring it from book one all the way up? This brings us all the way back to book one. From where? From here. From the beginning of time. It makes, yeah. It finishes the process. It's everything. And we've been, I mean, you've been working on this for how many years now? I mean, it's started. Well, we started. We started about four years ago on this. So when we do a, when we do a motion, we're going to say, approve the overage and the other part of it would be to bring the books back from book, from now to the beginning of time. We don't have to say that. We can just approve the quote. Don't write that down. Approve the quote. We can approve the quote. It's there. And Deodor, if you choose to refer to the 1848 date, which I think is useful to do in the minutes. It's actually 1849. Okay. And that date is because these Montpelier and Montpelier were one town at the time and they separated. So any records from before that time would be in Montpelier? They're in Montpelier. Yeah. Okay. So as far as we're concerned, from charter day one. Right. All the way to current day. It's done. We will be digitized. It will be done. And that's amazing. Yeah. It really is. Wow. So I moved to approve the expected expenditure from Avenue to complete the digitization of the land records back to the beginning of East Montpelier's land records in 1849. Yes. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it, they do have it. Okay. Town Treasury report. Michelle was going to join, but I'm not sure if she's having some technical issues. Okay. We probably have some. I don't think there was anything excessively of major to note in the monthly report. No big expenditures are out of line with our budget. No. Actually, she may be getting ready to join in. Okay. Yeah, she just texted me. Okay. So no red flags, we can move on then, because we only have about 20 items to work on. Yes. So without fashion as to death, maybe we can move on. Or does anybody have questions? Right. So it's a brief report, but I think we should move to the next item. Okay. Excellent. All right. Thanks for coming in, so if you do want to hear her, Michelle. Oh, she's coming in. You can hear her voice. No, she's. I see a phone. Okay. Michelle, I think you're on mute. Oh, okay. I guess we better not move on. Well, I'll speak in the event she's having some technical, she was having some phone challenges today. Okay. So for delinquent tax collector, we currently have outstanding 230,000. I know there are at least three payments that did come in that are not reflected in that number yet, but obviously notice is just one out, payments are coming in, so we expect that number to continue to decrease. Is that a little higher than? It is a little higher. That's my thought. Yes. What was the number last year at this time? I think it was around like either 180, I think or so. That's my thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to add that the Rogers properties, there are two of them that are, have been recently sold. Yeah. And I have seen the property transfer tax return but not the deeds yet, but that is in the works. And I'm told that when it needs to come, we will have those payments. And that's probably part of the. That's two out of five of those parcels. Can we ask how our friend is, she paid? Your friend? No, ours. Who's? Mr. Goldman? Yeah. Yes, he paid. Who he paid? Well, all the $625. Wow. I had a turn. Wow. But so all that amount is a lot of individuals. Yeah, because last year it was, I know one individual. Well, you're talking 180 last year and he owed like a hundred or something, whatever it was. So we have a lot of people delinquent. That's a cause, that's a concern. Michelle, the standard way to unmute oneself on the phone, I believe, is star six. So. There you go. Woo! Yay! Hi. Thank you. You bet. So, we've been talking about you, not quite behind your back, but without you able to chime in. Is there something you'd like to add? Going to the town treasure. So on the town treasure report, you don't have anything to add into that report. It looked like it was pretty standard. Yeah, it was pretty standard. Okay. It was, everything was. No red flags. No big things, I think I, no, I heard you talking about the delinquent taxes and we got about $32,000 and $32,400. Oh, so that gets subtracted from the two thirds? Well, that's good. Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't include the two parts that I was talking about. Right, which is probably a significant amount too. Yes, that's right. Right. Okay. Well, thank you for tuning in. I think the only other question I know is with the delinquent tax collection policy, which I provided the board with copies of, just to ensure there's no changes that you would like made to the policy as the Bruce, previous town administrator indicated that this is something you just kind of check in on each year to ensure that you want no changes to the policy as it stands today. Okay. So last year, didn't we do away with the penalty because of COVID or something? I wasn't here for that meeting. This is the standard. I believe we might have. Do we didn't do that? I'm pretty sure we did. I wasn't here. Which penalty are you talking about? The 80% is automatically assessed the next day. Yeah. I think you did. You did a graduated thing. Yeah, I think it was before eight or something. I think that was the first year. I don't think it was last year. Okay. That was two years ago. Okay, so this is just a standard policy. Yes, yes, this is a standard policy. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think we should accept it as it is and move on, especially unless we want to parse every word. I liked your first statement. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's move to the next one. Okay. So the next item on the agenda is age. Discussion of Chase and Chase proposal for County and County Road covert oversight. So this is essentially the proposal. It's really kind of essentially the same as what you saw just now more formalized and a bit more information about what scope of services would be provided. So this is because we need, potentially may need some help in reviewing these projects and overseeing these projects. Right. I think it's a question of whether we want to move forward with this. This is something that is new that Chase and Chase really has never done before. Yeah. Or if we feel confident in our road foreman and he can kind of keep an eye on what's going on and it's really a decision for the board, determining if you, I mean, I hadn't been involved in road projects before, so I'm not sure. The issue was that this is concrete work involved in this building with like headwalls and stuff for culverts and that. They're not precast? I remember just remember from a past meeting Bruce saying that that's not, that's not one of our Guthrie's strong points. Right. He can deal with paving, but he can't deal so much with that. So I don't know what's involved here. How much, how complicated those headwalls will be. But they may be precast. Well, it could be. There's nothing that you can't test the concrete on precast. I guess you could, but. No, you wouldn't want to, but. We don't usually. Is it saying here that they're precast? I don't know. I don't know, but they have been pretty standard precast a lot of these culverts. Right here. It involves removal of existing culverts, installation of a new culvert construction of new concrete headwalls. It doesn't say precast or not. Precast is usually box culverts, right? Concrete box culverts, precast, they put them together. But when you put in a regular culvert, you normally build them. You have to pour the wall in place. I don't know if we've ever done any small clay. We had to pour the wall in place. They've always been precast. Pretty sure. I don't remember seeing any. I mean, a lot of this is because Doug Newton needs to oversee all these projects. I know. We don't have that resource. Right. So it's just a question of if we think this is a... Well, we don't. I know. We don't know anything. It's uncharted territory. Right. It is. So why don't we pay for it this time, how these guys do it and how Guthrie go with them and learn from... Well, I don't know what they're doing. That's what my... Well, this is a total estimated fee. So it's based on time and materials. So if we work with them and we find that the original plan here was too ambitious in terms of their number of visits there because the project is simpler or Guthrie knows more about this particular construction than maybe we thought he did, then we can say come less often. Well, they're gonna provide written field reports. Yeah. Which is important. And they're also gonna review the construction. It's important for the owner to have somebody who knows what he's doing on site. Right. Are we using state money on this? What's that? Are we using state money? Yeah, part of it's a grant. I don't know if they want to have some engineering documentation on that. Well, we're gonna have documentation because they're gonna provide field reports. If we hire them? Yes. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. We could say no. I don't think we should say no because it's a lot of money. Right, I'm just kind of feeling out for what we thought. I agree that we should hire these folks to do this without Doug Newton being there. Because there's gonna be changes, too. You gotta realize that when you get into these kind of projects, sometimes the stuff that comes up. And if we have absolutely no knowledge of what's going on there, we're gonna be operating blindly. So if we've got somebody that's on site and said, say, this needs to be done, more gravel needs to be put in, blah, blah, blah, then that gives us a basis for approving or disapproving a change. Yeah, right. And if the state audits us for using the money, we can show them what we did. Yeah, it's probably the best thing. Yes. And in regards to this Doug Newton that we're mentioning last and right, he was a retired engineer with the state, with VTrans, who helped us out for years at a low price on representing our interest in construction projects. Okay, so thinking about inspection services that the town has employed in the past, it's like Stantec was them, and we had them on the parking lot over here. And they usually worked on a percentage basis of the whole project. So it was, what was it, 18%? Or I can't remember what Bruce was saying last night. It was a lot. It's a lot. So even if it's 15%, and it's a $300,000 between the two, which I think it's about what it is, there's a little bit more. That's still $45,000. So this is actually a reasonable inspection fee. Yeah. That's, thank you for that perspective. Yeah, so we should do it. Yeah, so. So we need a motion, right? Right, we should make a motion that we're gonna hire them for the day. So I'm moved to accept the proposal for engineering services change of scope number one from Chase and Chase for the purpose of overseeing construction of the Morse Road and Barnes Road culverts. Is that going too fast? No. It's two culverts, though. Yes, yeah. Culverts, culverts. Morse Road and Barnes Road culverts. Yeah, yeah. Second? Most of mine, see? Okay, we have a second. I've overused mine tonight. You're what, this? My motioning. Oh, okay. I'm getting motion sickness. You're right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. You guys appear to have it, they do have it. You don't have to hold me on that. We're done. You know, you're being recorded. No way. 830 Wells? Okay, consideration of notice of intent to participate in the FY 2023 municipal roads grants and aid program. There's only five minutes allocated for this. This is an annual, this is a program that we do every year. I know. So I have the form to be signed. Chair Gardner, if you want to proceed, then the board wants to authorize you to sign. We can sign that and submit this. Yeah, we want to be able to get money from the state. Exactly. Yeah, very good. I know. Let's do this. Grants and aid program. Grants and aid. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Ayes have it. Make it short. So part of your job, Deidre, by the way, is to translate some of the language that we spit out for these motions into something that looks good in a minute. Jay, what are Lister's requests to consult town attorney? So the Lister's had a recent decision in which they have denied a request and they're just concerned that it could result in an appeal and the potential for legal action. So they have provided me documentation that we can send to the town attorney to brief the town attorney on the situation should we need his assistance in the future. It remains unknown what may, if anything, will come of this, but I'm bringing it to the board for authorization and it just brought me to the question of what you all want me to do in the future when something like this comes up. You know. Here's a hand up. Yes. Somehow we're needing to discuss an issue with an attorney that should go into the second session because we, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In this case, there's going to need to get in any specifics yet, you know, but. Yeah, yeah. That's providing the attorney with early information. That's exactly what we're trying to do here. Well, hold on. Let me understand. The Listers have already made a decision. Is that correct? They've made a decision. And they issued it? Yes. Okay. So is there any advantage in anticipation that there might be legal pushback of spending money on attorney's fees, having the attorney review documents when nothing might ever happen? This was a request made by the Listers. So if this is, I'm. So the Listers, they do want the attorney to review the documents in anticipation of legal action. In the event. Yes. Yeah. What do you think of that, Judith? We're being cautious about this conversation because we don't want to say, I think we need to be cautious by having this conversation. I think that if there is legal action, there will be enough time, you know, that the attorney would be provided with the materials. So it's hard for me to give, offer more than that, but I really concerned about talking about the Listers' purpose or need or desire to consult with an attorney after they've already taken action. So. That sounds kind of crazy. I can't wait until it's legal action. That's fine. Should we put up further discussion of this until the end of the meeting when we have an executive session scheduled? You've got to be too late. Everyone's- I don't think we need to discuss it. I think- I don't either. Is our answer no? The answer is no, until there's a legal action, until a legal action occurs. Right. Because like Judith was saying, the attorney will have plenty of time because of legal action. How quick do you get to court? You know, we'll be able to- It sounds like they're getting worried, necessarily, they're worried. Okay. So they want to consult to cover their tracks, but whatever. Yeah. Maybe we should eat Judith's advice and talk about this. Whatever, we're not getting specific. It doesn't matter. Okay, so- Okay. No. Okay. So- Do you need a vote on that or anything? No? No. It's consensus. Okay. Okay. So we're done with Jay. Banking revisions, which is Kay. So this is really, we have transitions happening of staff in the office. So the current town administrator has a credit card that obviously I need to cancel in his name and would like the approval from the board to apply for one myself so that we can have the town office have a credit card. In addition, we are changing altar, adding some people to the bank accounts. We aren't removing just yet. We will as the month continues to progress, but to add Michelle and add myself and add Rosie actually to the bank account so that all three of us are able to sign checks. And one of the reasons we are adding Rosie is to try to improve our segregation of duties as it relates to signing of checks, approving of the voices, et cetera. So. Okay, so going back to our audit, wasn't there something mentioned about that? Correct. Yes. And are we- Which is a challenge inherently in a small office. I understand because there's no one that's removed. So what do you- Yeah, you have the person that's entering in voices, signing the checks. Right. So I've already, the previous town administrator did not sign checks. I've already, I want to assume that, assume one level of signature in my role, which seems to make sense. But then Rosie, well, we're still working through the semantics of how we want to, and we honestly want to speak with our external auditors as well about how we move forward. So this is something- To avoid that. Correct. Right. To mitigate that significant deficiency. Correct. Yeah. So, by authorizing the three of you to sign, get on the account and be signers. Yeah, really Michelle and I are essentially replacing Bruce and Don. Yeah. We just haven't, we need to do the paperwork to remove them as well. But- And you're going to work through the problem that we had with the audit. Correct. As far as- That's exactly- And who's- Correct. As an example, I don't have anything to do with invoices at all. Yes. Kind of perfect to sign checks. Okay. Because of that. She's completely out of the process. I just want to bring that up to make sure that we're conscious of that moving forward. Correct. That's exactly what- I have no problem with putting these people, all of you, on the account. I just want to make sure that we're conscious of that. That's exactly what we're going to do. I guess I would like to hear more from the auditors about whether this corrects the material deficiency to put you on Rosie, because nothing against you personally is just about the position. It seems to me that if we have a material deficiency about separation and number of people who sign checks- The issue- Add a person who can sign check- The issue is not that. The segregation of duties relates to who has access to set up vendors, process accounts payable. Okay. I have never been anywhere where you have your account payable clerk sign checks. And that is what we do here. Because that person has the authority to enter invoices to the system, they're also the person cutting the check, and then they're also the person signing the check. And when you say account payable clerk, do you mean the credit card? That's the- No, I mean Denise. I mean Denise. Okay, so Denise has authority now to sign checks? She does sign the checks. She currently Denise signs the checks and Don signs the checks. Okay, so this would replace what we have. Denise's name is not on here. Denise is still on there right now. We are not removing, but even if she's on the account, but she's not physically signing checks, it does help mitigate our issue. But yes, it is something we do want to discuss. It's not, the issue has nothing to do with if you have 20 people on your bank account that can sign checks. It's who's handling invoices, who is approving invoices, and then who's signing checks. Because that's where you can run into an issue. Yeah. I'm good with it. So that's what we're trying to mitigate. So we're currently working through some details. We're just trying to get the paperwork going. In my old job, they might not say where. Who can say it? The town manager signed the invoices after the supervisor signed the invoices. And then the, so the business manager wrote the checks, the town clerk signed them. That way it was all. Exactly. Ideally you have someone signing checks that is not at all involved in the approval of the invoices or entry of the invoices into the system. That's how we did it. The unique thing we have here that's the difficulty with the town administrator position is I do sign the majority of the invoices. So me signing checks still doesn't help that much. So that's what I wanna talk to the auditors about. But Rosie, who does not touch anything in the accounts payable process, is actually the perfect candidate to sign checks. Because she has no ability in any way, not that you would, to steal money. Because that's really what you're trying to avoid. I was trying to see it. No, I mean that's what you're trying to avoid. I mean that's what segregation duties is all about is you're cutting out the ability for someone to misappropriate money. Exactly. Okay. Okay, well thank you for that. So I would move then pending consultation with the auditors about the best method of correcting the material difficulties that they found. That I move to add as authorized signers to our People's United Bank account, Michelle Palace, Gina Junkins, and Rosie Lecair. So just to be clear, we also are running into a situation where one person that can sign checks is leaving. So I don't know how quickly I'll be able to get things worked out with the auditors to completely discuss who can sign, adding the people. So I just wanna make sure if we hold this up, we may have a problem making payments soon. No, I was, okay thank you. I'm glad you asked that. It was not my intention. Okay, yeah. With the motion to say wait on this. It was in anticipation of, let's be worded in the beginning, in anticipation of consultation with the auditors about correcting the material difficulties. You sound like you were making conditionals. Yeah, that's what I just wanna make sure, because I'm glad we put it that up. You're gonna be auditing in two months anyway. Oh well, I have a meeting with them on June 29th. So you know, and believe me, this is something Michelle and I discussed practically on day one, so. Okay. It's a hot topic for both of us. You're making a motion basically that you approve the adding the three names. Yes. Okay. Do we have a second on that? But with a notation that we're gonna talk about. Exactly. Oh, we have John racist hand first. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it at your hand. And do we need a separate motion to authorize you to have a credit card unit? All right. Probably be safe to do that, yeah. That's right, we do. Yeah. So moved. We're filling in at $4,000. Yes, that's what the current DA has, correct. Okay. And Judith, you have your hand up? Are you seconding it? You're muted. Yes. Yes. Okay. We have a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Right. Okay. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. We both. Okay. Okay, the next item. Hey, we're almost on time. Discussion on town management and light of COVID-19. Community update. So, do you want me to help make this quick? Yeah, sure. Okay, so for the community update, generally I want to discuss, we've been discussing COVID at every meeting. So based on our resolution, one, do we want to continue that? We are currently at a low status. We all know this keeps coming. I guess, does the board want to continue this process at every meeting where we discuss where we currently are or do we want to move to a situation or move to an era of the pandemic where if there's an issue, we bring an issue to the meeting accordingly and not to review a community update ever. We check this off very quickly. We do. It is a pandemic. I think it's good to keep it in front of us. Even if we don't do a damn thing. Bullet is. The next bullet on this item. So the next one is a bigger topic, which is the, we currently have a vaccination and mitigation policy for employees. I reached out to Judith because I was trying to figure out what the state was doing because the state run COVID testing sites are closing at the end of the month. So we, our policy requires a PCR test, which from the latest VT Digger article I read said, you're going to be hard pressed to find those in the state of Vermont. So inherently our policy needs to be addressed. So I reached out to Judith to find out what the state is doing. She told me the state has dropped their vaccination requirement and their policy. So I would like to also drop our policy. One, I don't see why we need a policy that's more restrictive than the state of Vermont. Two, speaking from my perspective as one supervisor of the town office employees and our road foreman, and I have discussed this in great detail. We just both believe that at this point if the state doesn't have one, there's no way to really practically get PCR tests in particular that we think this policy could go away at this point. Yeah. I'm uncomfortable with that. One, we have had a policy that's more restrictive than the state of Vermont for many, many months during this pandemic. The state of Vermont dropped its mask mandates back in June of last year and we started a mask mandate back in the fall and kept it up for many months. So we have showed our town people have told us that in that particular case, they want something that is stricter than the state of Vermont. I don't know if it has to be a PCR test but yes, using the community level tool, we're at low, however, with a case rate of 185 for 100,000 population in the last week, that is almost twice the level of the threshold for a high community transmission under the old standard that they say they don't want us to pay attention to anymore because hospital bed occupancy is more important. There are a lot of people who are still getting sick and getting sick hard from this and long COVID seems to affect people who are vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. So I'm uncomfortable with us doing anything to reduce the incentive for our employees to get vaccinated. I think what's tough is when we speak to the employees, I think there's, go ahead. No, I'm not sure what you're going to say. Well, I mean, I don't know that again, just I personally think we should drop this policy. I think it's administratively a pain for the managers to have to deal with because whatever testing protocol you're going to propose and we have to follow and we have to administer with a very limited staff. Okay, so we're just talking about one person unbroken. What did Guthrie think? Because he's the one that works. He has communicated with his entire staff and they would like the policy to go away. Yeah. So my understanding is that there may have been, and again, not names or anything, but the majority of folks have been vaccinated and it was a small percentage who have not. And if that small percentage after nine, 10 months of this policy hasn't been vaccinated, I don't think keeping the policies going to get them vaccinated. No. They had to adhere to the testing and they've done that and it's a pain and it's a pain administratively. And I'm one of the ones who was a proponent of this but I think that we've done what we can to incentivize vaccination of our employees and any employee can wear a mask at any time and unfortunately for those employees who haven't been vaccinated, if they get sick, they may get sicker than the employees who have been vaccinated and boosted. But if the state has chosen not to, with its massive large staff and large population of employees and it hasn't, I'm not seeing that it's really impacted some of the numbers, I think it would be hard for us to justify keeping it going forward. If conditions significantly change, we can reevaluate this. Well, we had a positive case in the office just a week before last and we addressed it. When we followed the CDC protocol, the person was out of the office for five days. We actually extended an extra day out of SafetySafe because we are in tighter quarters right now with some of us sharing offices. That person when they returned to work, they were masked. Then, I'm more negative at that point, by the way, per at-home test. So I think we're handling it with common sense and as the situations arise, and I think that that is a fair and appropriate way to handle it going forward right now. Yes. And I think that road employee talked over, didn't he? He did, yes. Yeah. Yeah, so what do we need to do here? We need to make the policy go away. I mean, that's what I think. I think that we should make policy the other way. The town administrator also, the sheriff also, God does not, but that's okay. We can disagree sometimes. John, what do you think? I think the policy should go away. Okay. So we should make a motion to that then. I move that we have this policy go away. Do you want me to be a little bit more... Is that set in? No, that's okay. All right. We can worst myth it a little bit. Well, for your address, let's see. I move that we... Abandoned? Resent. I like that. Resent. Our erstwhile policy of... Our COVID. My county is on clear as far as COVID-19 vaccination and mitigation policy for employees. Yes. Thank you. It's right here. It's on this. Okay. Do we have a second on that? Very good job. Oh, John got his hand up first. He's quick. Okay, we'll give it to Judith. I don't want Judith on me. We'll give it to Judith. Judith's second is... All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Oh, the voting board? I'm uncomfortable with this, but... He slipped. But given that the whole crew is in favor of it. All right, yeah. Exactly, right. I pointedly asked that question. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Next item. Oh my God. Development of Slick Board's summer schedule. You have a summer schedule. We have a proposed summer schedule somewhere here. You can annotate the agenda. Oh, shoot. Probably not. Hold on. You can even just tell me, I'll just write it down. What our schedule is? June 20th. June 20th? July 11th. August 1st. August 22nd, September 12th. I'm not available July 11th, but I'm not irreplaceable. You are irreplaceable. We'll miss you. What are you talking about? And there is a meeting with the fire department on August 11th as well. That's at 7 p.m. So we do dual purpose, it'd be a dual purpose meeting? No, that's always on Thursday. Oh, I was looking at Joe Island, August 11th. Pretty nice meeting schedule. August 11th is for the fire department. Okay. Okay. And the Slick Board will resume its normal first and third Mondays schedule in October. Does this mean we only have one meeting in September? Yay. Okay. I can live with that. They canceled the September 19th one. I guess you could have one on the 26th, right? It was two weeks. Yeah, we can live with that. Well, we can always call a special meeting if there's too much work to do. Sure. Yeah, yeah. We have that option. Yeah. You guys got me to take that Central Moss all the way to management. Board member thing, you know? I'm on executive board, I'm on two other committees. I just talked to Lisa the other day and she is so psyched to have you on there. Really? Yeah. That's a serious job. She said he's bowing. Well, I know he has a good representation. Yeah, you wire. Thank you. True. Do you want some more jobs? No. No, thank you. Okay, we did the summer schedule appointments to Town Treasurer, Michelle Palace. I would like to appoint, or like you to appoint Michelle Palace Treasurer through June 30th, this will be through 2022. Have we not done that? And then she, no. She is not officially, and part of the reason we're wanting to do that is the banks tend to like to deal with the appointed Town Treasurer, so. So we need a motion. That's a pointer. We need a motion. So moved. Oh, you made the motion. Okay, second. I second that. Very good. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. We're back on time, folks. We're going pretty fast, aren't we? We're back on time. Are we moving too fast for you, ma'am? Okay. Impressive. Warrants. Let's see what we have. We have the. So we have the special warrant that was. That I signed. That was that you signed. And there's a copy of that included. Yeah. That is for the truck. Yes. Yeah. And then here is the warrant for the current, for the board's review. Is there a personnel matter? I'm just looking down the list of stuff to do. There is one listed on here. What do you have this? I see it. I don't know. Oh, that, the personnel matter is just for you. It's more of a reminder for it. I need you all to sign the personnel policy, the revised policy. Oh, is that all there was? That was approved. Yeah. There was an additional one. Well, I think we have, I think we've now discussed that we're going to continue with the zoning on the next Monday. Yeah. Okay. So I don't think we will be going into that. Right. So we have a special meeting next Monday at 632. Continue with the discussion of the zoning. Well, I won't be here for that. Right. Yeah. Yes. I mean, Actually the meeting went so much smoothly, more smoothly when you were here. It did? You were like half an hour behind when I got here. Come on. But look what we accomplished. Yeah. Okay. So where are we? I missed you. You missed what? I missed you. Thank you. Okay. So now we're passing around the warrants and there is, is there other business? Cause I wasn't here. If there is. No. There's no additions to the agenda. Okay. So we're nearing the end of this. Yeah. And the memo I have for the town administrator report, just you have a copy of the permit application report. We had six new applications since the last meeting for a total 39 for the year. And then I provided you some information on two items, the DRB will be reviewing tomorrow, tomorrow at their meeting. Should you want to read that? Oh, we had to write the big check to. Yes. That's how it is. That has the school, the school check. Yeah. It is a big warrant though. Yeah. Big in dollars. But it is a foreseeing cost. Yeah. Just while we're under other business, when I talked to Lisa, I was like, you know, you're other business when I talked to Lisa, look to the executive director of Central Vermont Solid Waste Management District the other day, then I encouraged her to come before the board. Because she has not come, she's been on the job for like a year and a half and hasn't come to visit us yet. And she said that they are working on the new hazardous waste facility. And when they have more idea about what that will look like and what implications that might have for the town in terms of the per capita tax then she would schedule meetings. Did you find Pichelette? No. But they're looking at several. Oh, okay. Potential sites. What's, are there any? I should start with some. Front runners in the site? Well, there's Wynn and Burlend that's a fairly large site but some of the owners I think has been willing to downsize it and actually subdivide a piece of property for them. I think they were talking about eight acre or something like that. And then there's a site right in Berry City like an old stone shed, which is only like a couple acres but it has a building this there and it's zoned, oops. And it's appropriately zoned for what they want to do there. And just doesn't give them a lot of site to grow but it's in walking distance to the recycling place that they have now down where the Tynes Argus used to be. Oh, the Ark. The Ark, that's what it was, yeah, the Ark. So that would be cheaper because it's already building. Yeah, but it's kind of renovated. It's an old stone shed too. You never know what you're gonna find in the garage. I know, I kind of like the eight acre idea. Yeah, that's up on the hill, up in Burlend, you know, up Burlend Street, up that way. But you can come down from the interstate that way too and get to the site. That sounds like a good site. But it's not. But there's no water, there's no, you know, no public water there at this point, no sewer, where in Burlend they would have water and sewer already. Right. So there's positives or negatives. I think off the top, I would probably prefer the Burlend site just because it's easier to get to for everybody have to drive to Burlend and everything. But Burlend's not that hard to drive to. It has more potential though in the long run. Yes, for them to do everything in one place. Exactly, I think that's a better idea. It's gonna cost them more money, but. Well, that's the big issue is they're downsizing this project because they don't really have the money. And if they don't move ahead with the project, the State of Vermont has threatened to pull the grant they're going to give them for the building. The guy moved ahead. Yeah, because every time, you know, every month the project cost goes up. Oh, I don't know. Because of the building. Oh, it's awful. The other problem. Is this gonna be a depot or is this actually gonna be the incineration site? No, it's just a holding site. Okay. You have to drive them with your vehicle. You have some paint or something. You put it here. If you have some old oils, you put it there and drive out. They bring it somewhere else though. It's not gonna be actually. But were they gonna do composting there? Cause at one point they were going through when they were looking into the site. I'm not sure they would do composting there. No, I don't think so. They do have to start taking shingles though. From the roof shingles and stuff like that. And so they're not gonna take food scraps and all that? I can't say. It was originally. Well, I know they have, like the town of Hardwick has a place. They actually, the food scraps are actually handled by another, by a company for essential waste. So they may do that. Hire somebody to do that. Have a contract to do it. All right. I mean, I don't know. We haven't talked about that at all. Well, you could bring it up. I will. I'd like to know. Yeah. One final comment I feel like we're nearing a journey. Oh, you are? Not me. You guys are nearing that is we've had a lot of questions. Not a lot. There have been some questions around, is there going to be a celebration for our retiring town administrator? I'm glad you brought that up. As well as most of you are probably well aware, our current or previous town administrator is not one for celebration. So he has requested that right, nothing. Nothing. So I just wanted to mention that to the board. So. Can we buy him a gift card though, just for books or something? I mean, that was my idea. Yeah. I mean, I think doing something low key, I think he would be okay with. I'm going to go and buy him a gift certificate from Bear Pond Books or something and then we'll all offer you a card to the next meeting. Well, Rosie already said, ask me about getting a card, did she? Put down the people before. He's not interested in a card shower option, so. No, no, I just a card. Yeah, I mean, I think if there's, yeah, I think if there's one card, you may be able, I'll talk to him. You might be able to talk to him. If we give him one card and send it to him, good enough. Oh yeah, it might actually might be better if you send it to him in the mail. It would, it's funny. Yeah, that would be better. Certified. Yes, certified. Okay. I was so glad you brought that up because I was going to bring that up, like, okay, so should we just give him a gift card? Should I give him a gift card for the bookstore or something? I mean, I'd love to have a gift card if I was leaving, but. Okay. I'll give him a gift card. I don't know. He seems like he would read. I don't know his other hobbies, but. Does he have other hobbies? Did you see him? They like to drive up in Northern Ramallah and look at the lake. She'd like to do that. And then his son moved up to Catherton, some place they can't really get into, so he goes up there. He likes to be alone. Yes. Yeah. He likes to mow his lawn, so. He likes to mow his lawn, okay. Yeah, I think a book. The thing is, he always works so much. He doesn't have time for all of them. He's almost going to have to get some hockey. But he's going to go to Florida and he'll read books. He likes to go out to dinner. Does he? Doesn't he? He does it down Florida. I know he does. He doesn't, it's much here. Yeah, yeah. So a gift certificate for like, Bahama Breeze. Well, gifts certificate and books are pretty safe. Yeah, that's safe. For somebody that's fairly intellectual. Yes. He's smart. Yes, he is. I know. That's a good question. He doesn't have any hobby about it. He would love this detailed conversation about what to give him, though. I can tell you that. Yeah, right here on local news at night. Yeah, okay. Just saying. Yeah, right. This is the attention he doesn't want. But I did want it. Hey, Bruce, just text us if you want. He doesn't do that either, so. No, I'm just kidding. Yes, he won't. I know. The thing is, it's nice to get across to him how we have appreciated all he's done. Agreed. So that's the challenge. Well, just talk to him personally. What? That's actually a comment he made, is he goes, if people want to say goodbye and talk to me, come talk to me. Don't put that in the middle. Yeah. That'll upset him. Yeah. But, and truly, I mean, that's kind of what's happening. You know, as people are coming in and they're meeting a permit, or they're, you know, they're popping in and. Right. Meeting me and. Right. Talking to him. Right. Okay, so next meeting is, what date is the next meeting? The 20th. It's a week from today, the 13th. I know you have a meeting, but I don't. But the 20th is a regular meeting. And Deidre, I don't think you need to tell me to, or be on the 13th, because the minutes are gonna be very, very short. Yeah. So it'll be very boring. Should I, I mean, is this, like, completely dumb if I bought a card and a gift card, and we all signed it? I mean, is that dumb, or should we each buy it around the time? It's not dumb. Well, I don't know. Why don't you, why don't you do that? Okay. I don't think he's gonna be offended by that. Okay. I think that's good. So for the next meeting, I will do that, and then we'll all, I mean, maybe you can write your 50 remarks on a separate piece of paper or something like that, just, you know, so it's not just like, thanks for the memories, but we're just like something a little more. Thanks for the memories. Thanks for the permit process. Nobody zones better than you. It's almost like you should say that in person, though. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. A card is nice, you know, I can sign it or do whatever. But if we have things we want to say, it's nice to say in person. That's true. I don't do well with that, though. Like, I have to write it. I'm sorry. Okay, well, that's okay. If I give my fee fees. I'm going to do it in person. That works for me. He appreciates it in person. He does. He does. Okay. All right. Small try. What? Are you going to do something? I make a motion that we adjourn. Don't you want to talk about this tomorrow? We can talk about it after. No, we can't. Yeah. You're the second. No, you can't. Are you kidding me? We'd be having a meeting. What is wrong with you? Are we going to fall through the motion? All those are fake. No. Do we have a second? I seconded it. Oh, okay. All those are favorite place to have. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Bye. Bye. Okay.