 Age for education, and lifelong learning. As I've run out of time to get the people in as possible, I'd be grateful for short and succinct questions and answers to match. Question 1, Graham Pearson. To ask the Scottish Government how many vacant beds there are in secure units for locked up—looked after children. Minister Fiona McLeod. Salutad ni unig iawn. PaTF我覺得 that there are ninety secure beds in Scotland, capacity is monitored daily and information is available on the SECURE accommodation Network Scotland website. Some concerns have been raised recently about the capacity within the 17. South of the butiol i gannig o cael gweithio cyfgla kuwydau gyda'r cynnwys yng ngydag ddatblygu. Rydyn ni wedi bod yn ei gydag i desgau cyfglau'r bod yn ei gyrfa i gael ar hyn. Felly, dweud y ffawr i ddannu'r casgliad hwn oes wedi cyfawr, ac yn ei ddynnu'r casgliad. Mae'r prifysgol holl yn gweithio i ddangos eu gwiaith bryd wneudio, os y ddangos cyfwydd, fi'n gwy laughio ffawr i dd requithu o'r bwysigau. diwethaf a'r gŷnodd ar gweithio i ddweud hynny, ym 7-8 oes bydwyd yw 9% gyda'r 2011-12, a'r 13% i ddydig i'w Llywodraeth 90 o'r glimbarth. Dwi'n gweithio i ddysgu i gyfianiadau ac i ddysgu i ddodwyrhau Llywodraeth Creifwyr i gydig ym 13%. Isi'r cyfeirwyr iddo i ddysgu i ddysgu i gyfianwyr gyllidau ym 60, cucumbers, I assure Mr Pearson that when I asked last week there were no children known to be accommodated outside of Scotland. To ask the Scottish Government how it supports college students to complete their studies. On top of the record, the record is £104 million for student support this year. We have been working gyda College Scotland a the Scottish Funding Council to understand the scale of any shortfall in 1415. College's have now said that they need £7 million down from their earlier estimate of £11 million, and I'm very pleased to say that we will bridge that gap. In addition, since 2006, seven successful completion rates for full-time FE students has increased by 10 percentage points and for those from the most deprived backgrounds by 13 percentage points. I am pleased to hear that the Scottish Government is taking seriously the problems facing college students at this time, particularly given that our FE colleges have an excellent reputation of addressing inequalities and giving opportunities to students of all ages and backgrounds. Although the bursary awards have increased by 18 per cent, funding only increased by three, childcare awards increased by 22, but the budget only went up by six. I appreciate what the cabinet secretary is doing. Will she also have a look at the NUS findings that illustrate those figures? I appreciate the question from Mrs Scanlon. She will, of course, appreciate that our record and student support for further education college students is very good, and the budget before this Government took office was £67 million, and it now sits at £104 million. As I said in my original answer, we have worked very hard as we do every year to fill the gap every year. There are, of course, planned improvements for 15-16 with inflationary increases in bursary scales and childcare. I am due to speak with NUS this afternoon and to have a further meeting with them in due course about a whole range of student support matters. It is extremely welcome to hear that the gap in bursary funding is to be bridged again this year. That is welcome, but the reality is that not knowing until now that that money is going to be available has a real impact. Students are left waiting many months not knowing if they will get bursaries. Colleges have to spend or overspend their budgets. We did not be better, instead of doing this every year if the Scottish Government has budgeted enough money for supporting students in the first place. I am glad that Mr Gray welcomes the information that I gave earlier that we are indeed meeting our obligations to students, as we always do. As he will be aware, there are difficulties in predicting the levels of student support required because it varies on the personal circumstances of students, whether they have children or whether they do not have children and, indeed, on the age of the student. Nonetheless, we will continue to work very hard with our partners and with NUS Scotland to resolve outstanding issues. The Scottish Government's budget for college funding compares to that in England. The Scottish Government has managed to stabilise college funding. Members will be aware that we have created a funding floor of £522 million, and in the draft budget published that will go up to £526 million for the forthcoming financial year. In contrast, BIS plans to cut its adult skills budget by £466 million, which is a decrease of over 17 per cent. Given that we seem to be able to predict the numbers in the budget for higher education, but somehow we cannot predict it in further education, does the cabinet secretary believe that Scottish further education students are treated like second-class citizens compared to others in higher education? No, I certainly do not, Mr Finlay, and I am sure that that is no surprise to you. There is a very genuine debate about the benefits of discretionary funding versus entitlement funding for HE students. Of course, there are many higher education students in the college sector. They have entitlements to bursaries and loans. Of course, they have to pay loans back, whereas for further education students, who could be entitled to up to £93 a week discretionary funding but, of course, they do not have to pay that back. However, those are all issues that we have to explore in the round. To ask the Scottish Government what work it is carrying out to streamline the process for the registration of new teachers. The registration of teachers is a matter for the General Teaching Council for Scotland. Would the minister agree that we need to attract teachers from the EU and across the world and that this is ended by the failed immigration policies coming out of Westminster? I very much agree that, to the right regulatory controls that are being applied by the General Teaching Council for Scotland, Scotland can and does benefit from a diverse teacher workforce from countries outside Scotland. It is vital that the UK's immigration policy, as the member alludes to, takes cognisance of that need and that its rhetoric is suitable on the subject, too. Liam McArthur There is considerable movement between teachers north and south of the border. Does he believe that there is work to be done by GTCS in terms of smoothing the process so that vacancies can be filled in teaching posts across Scotland, as well? The typical period for registration for teachers within Scotland is around three to four weeks. For teachers who are coming from outside Scotland, it is typically around 10 weeks. However, I understand that the point that the member makes, and there have been considerable efforts made in particular areas where there has been a specific need urgently for teachers to fast-track that process. For instance, there were successful efforts to fast-track the progress for registration for a number of teachers from Ireland who are applying for jobs in the north-east of Scotland recently. To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had with Dumfries and Galloway Council regarding its plans for Dumfries Learning Town. We have been working in partnership with Dumfries and Galloway Council through the preparation of the Dumfries Learning Town initiative, and we will continue to engage with the local authority to help to realise that vision. In addition, the Government is providing substantial investment of around £14 million through the Schools for the Future programme to replace Max Welton High School and its associated community facilities, and St Joseph's College, both of which form part of the Dumfries Learning Town initiative. For his reply, the minister will be aware that the Dumfries Learning Town involves a new model of 13 to 3 to 18 education that is delivered on a whole town basis, and that involves the creation of a learning hub in north-west Dumfries, bringing together early-years vocational education and adult education. Does the minister agree that the approach is consistent with the recommendations of the wood report, and will the Scottish Government therefore support the creation of the learning hub? As has already been mentioned, there has been a degree of engagement along tradition and almost engagement between the Government and Dumfries and Galloway Council over the subject, and no shortage of investment in schools in the area. The Government does support the aspiration of a learning hub for Dumfries, but it is no secret that the Government has taken a different view from the council when it moved away from its initial proposals, which would have seen the hub centred on the Crichton campus. Question 5 has not been lodged, and an explanation has been provided. Question 6, Annabelle Goldie. To ask the Scottish Government whether it anticipates a university student population contracting or expanding over the next five years. The Scottish Government does not anticipate a significant contraction or expansion over the next five years. The number of first-degree entrants who live in Scotland and, broadly, the measure of the number of school leavers going to universities up 7 per cent under this Government to 33,500. The minister will be aware of the recent Scottish Funding Council announcement regarding indicative funding decisions for 2015-16, and she will also be aware that there are continuing challenges in widening access to university, an area in which none of us wants to see any contraction at all. Research confirms a funding package for Scotland's poorest students to be the most regressive in the United Kingdom because of significant cuts to bursaries. How does the Scottish Government think that switching students from bursaries to loans so that they have more debt can possibly improve access to university for our poorest students? Of course, I'm rather stunned that Miss Goldie has tripped up to this chamber to ask me about student debt when, in Scotland, on average, students have debt of around £7,500 in comparison to the £20,000 on average that students in England graduate with. I think that the Scottish Government has a record that compares well with her Government south of the border. Of course, we very much believe that education should be based on the ability to learn and not the ability to pay. We will stick firmly to our position of no tuition fees. The balance between supporting tuition fees and the balance between bursary and loans is something that we have discussed with NUS Scotland. It was at the request of NUS Scotland that we do what we can to ensure that we get more money into the pockets of students and, in terms of our minimum income guarantee for the students from the poorest household, depending on whether they can be in a student's living at home or in a student's living away, that support package is either the best or the second best in the UK. I heard what the cabinet secretary has just said to Miss Goldie in response to the question about students from more disadvantaged backgrounds. Could the cabinet secretary expand on her answer and perhaps give other examples of what the Scottish Government is doing to ensure that students from disadvantaged backgrounds in Scotland get the opportunity to take part in university education? The programme for government very clearly set out the creation of a widening access commission. The commission will advise on how the number of students entering university from the more disadvantaged areas or backgrounds can be increased. Of course, the proportion of 18-year-olds from disadvantaged backgrounds going to university under this Government is improved from the previous Government. However, we will not detract from the fact that much more needs to be done. For example, that is why there is £2 million of funding in 2015-16 for local widening and access initiatives through the Scottish Funding Council. The funding for the impact for access fund has been doubled. The cabinet secretary has, her Government, reduced the size of bursaries available to students and lowered the income threshold above which bursaries are replaced by loans. How can she possibly come to this chamber and pretend that that is helping students from low-income families? Of course, Mr Gray, but Mr Gray fails to recognise that, in terms of where we are now, we very much did that in a collaborative approach with NUS Scotland. On the points that he raised about thresholds and income thresholds, that is a very important issue. If you compare what happens in Scotland compared to south of the border, the threshold incomes in Scotland are lower, but so are the interest repayment rates. As Mr Swinney said last week in the budget debate, that is something that we can look at whether we change the threshold rates. The threshold rates are due to be uplifted, but there are some aspects of that that require treasury consent. To ask the Scottish Government what progress it has made on agreeing educational outcomes with COSLA as part of the local government settlement. Discussions on the matters between the Scottish Government, COSLA and partners, including the teacher unions, is on-going. I wonder whether the minister could advise us, however she seeks to present that the Government has abandoned the pledges on teacher numbers and class sizes. Let me say as succinctly and as clearly as I possibly can that this Government has not and will not abandon teachers and does not abandon our commitment to maintaining teacher numbers. That is a very important matter. That is a very important matter, one that we take with great seriousness and that we are discussing with our partners in local government. While teacher numbers have been stabilised since 2011, the recent census in December shows a small change, a small reduction in the number of teachers, but any change in the wrong direction is a concern to this Government. We are firmly of the view that the number of high-quality teachers is imperative to the life chances and the education of our children. Can the cabinet secretary confirm that all parties are represented in these talks with COSLA and that those involved should be consistent in what they say both during those negotiations and out with them? It is an important principle in any negotiation of any sort that parties have to maintain a consistent position both within and out with the negotiations. The talks that we are involved in as a Government involve all our key partners, including COSLA, teacher unions, parental organisations and other bodies such as Education Scotland, ADIS, Directors of Education Scotland and chief executives of the Scottish local government. To ask the Scottish Government what support it is providing to colleges in West Scotland to improve the fabric of their buildings. The Scottish Government is committed to supporting all colleges, including those in the west Scotland region, to invest in the restates. The current financial year, we have provided £26.6 million of capital funding to the Scottish Funding Council to support infrastructure investment across the sector. The disbursement of the funding to individual colleges is of course a matter for the Scottish Funding Council. I thank the cabinet secretary for that reply. In the past, I have called for a feasibility history to undertake to see if an alternative location in Inverclyde could be sought for the campus there. I believe that the Scottish Funding Council has had discussions with West College Scotland regarding options for its community campus. I would be grateful to know whether the Scottish Government will consider any proposals from West College Scotland regarding the fabric of its building in the next spending review period. The Scottish Funding Council has indeed been in discussion with West College Scotland and has recently provided £70,000 to help it to develop a business case outlining options for the green at campus. That is of course a matter for the Scottish Funding Council, but the Scottish Funding Council is currently developing a 10-year strategy that is aimed at determining priority investment opportunities across both the college and university states. That strategy will form the basis of discussion with the Scottish Government around capital funding at the time of the 2016 spending review. I understand that the Scottish Funding Council has agreed to include proposals from West College Scotland in that strategy. To ask the Scottish Government how many college students are achieving qualifications that are recognised and valued by employers. I am pleased to say that 73,704 college students on full-time and substantive part-time courses successfully obtained recognised qualifications in 2013-14, an increase of almost 15 per cent compared with 2006-07. That is strong evidence that our vision of a college sector focused on skills to help people to get jobs is beginning to pay off. I thank the cabinet secretary for that answer. Does the cabinet secretary agree with me that this shows that focusing the college sector on skills for working economic growth is starting to pay dividends? I think that there is a very strong body of evidence that students and employers are beginning to reap the rewards of college reform, as well as the figures already mentioned, and the latest statistics from the Scottish Funding Council show that the average hours of learning, for example, per student, is up by 59 per cent since 2006-07, and that we also have record rates of successful completion and, crucially, 17 per cent more full-time students between the ages of 16 to 24 than we had in 2006-07. I think that great credit is due to college leaders who have clearly seized the opportunities that are presented by reform and are definitely delivering better outcomes for young people. To ask the Scottish Government what support it provides to local authorities for fostering programmes. Local authorities are responsible for the provision of foster care in their areas supported through the block grant. The Scottish Government has provided over a million pounds between 2007-14 to the fostering network to support local authorities and the wider sector to recruit, retain and develop foster carers. The Scottish Government produced the first national guidance to help local authorities to commission foster care more effectively and in line with the needs of each child. We are looking at ways in which we can provide more direct support to local authorities in strategic commissioning and how to optimise recruitment. The Scottish Government's response to the foster care review that was published in 2014 agreed to take forward recommendations that will support local authorities in improving the way that fostering services are run and to expand the skills of foster carers. I thank the minister for that answer. The minister will be aware, however, that it was recently reported that Fife had the largest waiting list of children waiting to be put into foster homes with 27 children in residential units over Christmas. The next largest waiting list was 17 in Falkirk. What steps can be taken to reduce what has been described as an urgent need for foster carers in Fife? Fife is, with all other local authorities, responsible for their own recruitment, as their best place to know what their local needs are. The Scottish Government is supporting a number of local authorities through our realigning children's services programme to map longer-term demand levels for services, including foster care. That will aid local authorities in recruiting the right number of foster carers when and where they are needed. In 2013, the Scottish Government ran a fostering recruitment and retention seminar in Glasgow to support local authorities and independent fostering agencies to share successful experiences and good practice. That resulted in a recruitment and retention forum being established. The member may wish to know that the fostering networks' estimated shortage figures for foster carers in Scotland have been halved in the last four years. To ask the Scottish Government how it is supporting colleges and other adult learner providers to improve adult literacy and numeracy and what progress has been made in tackling poor basic skills in adults. Collegies are now funding on the basis of meeting the needs of learners in the regions, including programmes that are focused on literacy and numeracy for adult learners. Collegies continue to play a key role in providing education to adult learners, with 27 per cent of all college sector learning hours in 2013-14 being delivered to students aged 25 or over. We are committed to improving adult literacy and numeracy levels across the whole of Scotland, as outlined in the literacy action plan. The standing literacy commission will produce a final report on the progress of the plan in the spring. Progress in tackling basic skill levels has been improving. The latest available figures show a small reduction in the proportion of adults aged 16 to 64 with low or no qualifications from 13 per cent in 2012 to 12.6 per cent in 2013. I thank the cabinet secretary for her response. However, figures from the Scottish funding council show that, since 2011, college budgets in Scotland have been cut in real terms by £61 million. There are now over 32,000 fewer adult learners in college than there were when this Government was elected in 2011. Would the cabinet secretary agree with me that, given the extent to which college budgets and places in Scotland have been cut, this Government is not given the adult learners the support that they need to improve their basic skills, something that is essential for them to get jobs and to escape the cycle of deprivation and poverty that so many find themselves in? I do very much regret that Mr Rowley, along with some of his other colleagues, has a misplaced faith in headcount, when the reality is that we know that the most meaningful measurement of college activity is full-time equivalent. I remind him that this Government's manifesto commitment is to maintain full-time equivalent. In fact, we have exceeded that. The move to full-time courses does benefit young people, but it also benefits older learners. As I said in my answer, 27 per cent of all college sector learning hours are delivered to people that are over 25. In terms of the budget, Mr Rowley will be well aware that this Government, like our partners, is living with Westminster austerity. Our discretionary budget has been reduced by 10 per cent. Nonetheless, there is a funding floor of £522 million, increasing to £526 million, certainly more in cash terms than the £510 million under the previous Labour Liberal Executive. I know that Mr Rowley cares deeply about adult literacy in human aid, because I know his background in community education. I also know that Fife Council has a very good record in this area. It is not unreasonable for colleges to align their provision with their local government partners, either. To ask the Scottish Government what steps it is taking to monitor the pay of university principles. The Scottish Government has made it clear in the past that some increases in the remuneration of principles have been unacceptable. Although a number of universities have exercised restraint in setting senior pay in the latest rounds, our view certainly remains and persists. Senior pay packages should be in step with the salary terms and conditions that are offered to other university staff. Institutions must ensure the high standards of transparency in setting pay awards. I thank the cabinet secretary very much for that reply. Does the cabinet secretary share my concerns over the transparency of university bodies such as the remuneration committee? It is now an impossible to find out who are on them when they met or indeed what was said. According to Glasgow Caledonia, the remuneration committee last met in 2012, which is at least better than Glasgow University's information. Will you meet me to discuss those concerns? Yes, I am happy to meet Ms White to discuss her concerns. Bearing in mind in particular, the constituency that she represents, Glasgow Kelvin, where it includes a university in a large part of the academic community, will indeed be constituents of Ms White. It is important that, with anybody who is in receipt of large amounts of public funding, there is transparency at all levels, including remuneration committees. To ask the Scottish Government what educational principles will underpin the Higher Education Governance Bill. The Scottish Government is investing over £1 billion this year and next in higher education institutions. In return, we expect institutions to embrace good governance based on open, accountable and democratic principles. Improved governance will help to create better learning environments where staff and students have more say in how their institutions operate. Our consultation on the Higher Education Governance Bill ends this month, and the views of all stakeholders will of course be considered. The cabinet secretary will be aware of the many concerns being expressed at the potential loss of traditions and autonomy that have underpinned Scotland's ancient universities. What added value will the proposed changes to their governance bring to universities such as Aberdeen, which have been rated as world leaders in the recent research excellence framework assessment of the impact of the research outputs on society, business and culture? Does she agree that, far from strengthening the sector's effectiveness, the proposals for university governance could actually compromise the performance of Scotland's universities? As I said to Ms Millan and Mansour, we will, of course, look at all the responses to her consultation in very great detail. It is part of a programme of government that we will indeed have a higher education governance bill. We, of course, recognise that universities are, indeed, autonomous, but they are also in receipt of large sums of public money. Part of the bill is about having a definition and a safeguard of academic freedom, but it is important to recognise that issues of transparency and good governance do, for example, lead to a more productive engaged workforce, which will certainly improve the learning outcomes for students. To ask the Scottish Government how many people as an Aberdeen are being provided with free school meals following its recently introduced policy. While that information is not held centrally, we collect data on the uptake of free school meals annually through the healthy living survey, which was carried out in February and published in June, and we expect the policy to benefit 135,000 children across Scotland. I thank the minister for his answer. Aberdeen City Council has recently changed menus in some schools. Parents have not been fully informed about that and have often been withdrawing children, particularly those with specific dietary requirements or additional needs, from meals. Could the minister tell me what, if any guidance is in place to ensure that there is consultation and communication about menu changes, so that all those who are entitled can get their free school meal? There certainly is guidance in some areas. Our guidance, better eating, better learning, makes clear that the involvement of parents and families in supporting activity around food and health is essential. In preparing to deliver the free school meals policy for primary 1 to 3, local authorities must consider the implications for the school meals service, for arrangements, including any opportunity that that might afford to make further improvements. It should also be said that the nutritional requirements for food and drink in schools are in place, and better eating and better learning is clear that all schools should have a documented process in place for dealing with special dietary requirements. 15. Richard Baker Thank you. To ask the Scottish Government how it is engaging with schools to encourage people to consider careers in the oil and gas industry. The Government recognises the importance of the oil and gas sector and indeed the whole energy sector in Scotland for the current and future job opportunities of young people. Learning and skills development, which supports pathways into the energy sector, is embedded within curriculum for excellence and features a number of national qualifications. Education Scotland, Energy Skills Scotland and Skills Development Scotland are working in partnership to ensure a co-ordinated approach to raising awareness of energy sector careers with our schools. That includes career events for young people at school, involving industry and colleges. We will continue those efforts as we take forward our plans for developing Scotland's young workforce. Richard Baker Does the minister agree that, despite the recent contraction in the oil and gas sector, it is important to emphasise to pupils that there are still great opportunities in the industry? Will he welcome the work of Northfield Academy in Aberdeen in working with oil and gas businesses to enable pupils to attain the skills for a career in the industry and what support will ministers provide schools, particularly in the north-east, to take forward similar collaborations in the future? I certainly welcome all the efforts that are now taking place in schools in the north-east and elsewhere in Scotland to make clear to pupils the very real opportunities that exist in the oil and gas sector. Indeed, as recently as December, the study that was done fueling future report that was found that the sector in Scotland was identifying a need in the next five years for 12,000 new entrants into the industry. The opportunities in the oil industry, although you might not know it from the tone of what is said from some quarters of the chamber about the oil industry, are the opportunities in the oil sector in Scotland that are very real indeed. Does the minister agree that it is a simple way to encourage pupils to consider careers in the oil and gas industry and that it is to target teachers to understand the skill shortages and job opportunities that exist in the sector and that programmes like your future energy are already helping to encourage young people to consider careers in the industry? As the member says, encouraging awareness among teachers is of course very important. For that reason, Energy Skills Scotland ran three oil and gas career events for schools last year, aimed at young people and their teachers, with events at Ayrshire College, Forth Valley College and Inverness College. Those events involve teachers and pupils from around Scotland. Further events are planned, with the very important aims that the member mentions very much in mind. To ask the Scottish Government to confirm whether it has met targets for full-time equivalent places at our colleges. I am pleased to say that colleges have again exceeded their target. Latest figures show that colleges delivered 119,636 funded places in 2013-14, while over the target of 116,000. Could the cabinet secretary outline how many students from the most deprived areas in Scotland are studying for recognised qualifications at college? I am pleased to say that, in 2013-14, 33,439 students from Scotland's 20 per cent most deprived areas were studying full-time or substantive part-time courses, leading to recognised qualifications. That is an increase of around 1,800 students compared with 2006-07. Colleges have always delivered strongly for deprived communities. That is why the programme for government makes clear that we have a crucial role in helping us to meet our ambitions to widen access to higher education. To ask the Scottish Government what the average college bursary funding is compared with England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In 2014-15, a full-time 19-year-old further education student at college in Scotland could receive a bursary of up to £4,000 per year plus access to discretionary funding. Making direct comparisons is complicated, but we have data showing that, in contrast, a full-time 19-year-old further education student in England could receive up to £1,200 per year and up to £1,500 in Wales and up to £2,092 in Northern Ireland. Along with Wales and Northern Ireland, Scotland has continued with educational maintenance allowance of £30 a week, although the scheme has been scrapped in England by the Westminster Government. Neil Findlay. According to what we have heard during this session from the minister, the cabinet secretary today, colleges are doing better, teacher numbers aren't being cut, college buildings are all fine, student numbers are up and students are all very well supported. No doubt the cabinet secretary believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny 2. While the cabinet secretary showed just a glimmer of empathy and acknowledged that FE students who are expected to live on at best between £30 a week and £93 a week are having major difficulties affording transport, food and the basics that they need to complete their course, is that not really the case that support in Scotland is the poorest across the UK? Presiding Officer, we can always rely on Mr Findlay to lower the tone, because I was expecting him to come to the chamber with some facts that compare college bursary funding between students in Scotland, England and Northern Ireland and Wales. Of course, he has absolutely failed to do that. Instead, we have his usual empty rhetoric. I asked NUS Scotland for the comparative data that Mr Findlay failed to provide. Unfortunately, NUS Scotland does not have that comparative data, but I can say that, with regard to students in Scotland, they continue to receive EMA, unlike South of the Border. Under 18-year-olds can receive up to £36 a week. 18-to-25-year-olds can receive up to £73 a week. That can equate up to £4,000 a year. Of course, for students, full-time students, they can receive up to £93 a week, which can be as much as £6,300 over the year. When you try to get to the detail, Presiding Officer, to compare that with the South of the Border, it is very difficult. What we can see is that they have no educational maintenance allowance. They have a vulnerable student bursary for young people in care, as opposed to having a wider catchment area based on entitlement, and they have some discretionary funding. Comparisons are very difficult, but I was really hoping that Mr Findlay would come to this chamber with some facts, as opposed to rhetoric. What else can we expect? That concludes portfolio questions. I will give a few seconds for members to change places for the next item of business.