 Hey everyone welcome once again good to see you Tgif No, that is right Thank God it's Friday But it's anyway, so I hope you all are doing well to see you. Thanks for joining in today For the local church course Really get started Can I request one of us to rest leaders and prayer, please any one of us? Dear heavenly father, we come to you under the name of Jesus We thank you for this beautiful day and for the class we are about to have We invite your Holy Spirit to guide us and to teach us Help us to open our heart and listen to our past as he teaches that is not just listen to it But help us to follow it throughout this life as we journey with you God be with us and give us the boldness and courage I pray for every one of my classmates who have joined here Give us all the good network connections that we need and Be with them and God then Thanks Trippina All right guys before we just dive into the session today I just wanted to keep us informed that we will be only having one session today because I have a Funeral service to attend to that. I have to be there. Okay, so we'll just have one class today All right Anyways Let's get started. So We've covered section one in your PDFs. That is that contains six chapters So we've covered six chapters so far That is in section one it has chapters such as the church. It's a spiritual and natural dimension the purpose of the local church It's a mission its message the methods the government and structure of the local church stages of Growth and development what makes a strong local church and in the last class the church growth principles is what we covered right finally and And and each of those chapters are significant and it's in itself And I would encourage you to keep you know revising the chapters any time whenever you can It's gonna come in handy All right, so today we start with section two God's blueprint That is from chapter 7 in page 47 in your PDFs God's blueprint for the local church, right now we've spoken very Briefly in in the early stages of this course as to the importance of The blueprint what it does and but I thought I could just play like a one-minute video video of Someone explaining What a blueprint is Like always tell people playing this is essential to life as air to breathe and without a plan We just wanted to do life with a lack of oxygen You know blueprint pretty much is a plan drawing the scale direction and prioritization It's one of the latest projects we're working on out here in the wall is east putting it together Take a look at the blueprints and go about few things Prince and go about few things. I have a book coming out called driven by design and I try my best Okay to parallel the relationship between the blueprint of the build right for me I want to know what is that Relationship between the build and the blueprint and what are some of those distinctive differences right that people just don't understand I don't see because people see the house right, but they don't know about the blueprint right absolutely Well, you have two different levels as it pertains to builders You got proficient builders and then you have efficient builders and there's a big difference and people don't realize that you know Anybody can be efficient, but in order to be proficient. You need a scale. You need a plan that's drawn up Wait, wait, wait, man. Look, right. Absolutely. So there's two ways. That's right. That's right. You can do it That's right. That's right. Or you can do it the right way the right way So how often the builder have to come back and see the blueprint we look at the plans daily No, wait said again daily We look at the plans daily during the start of the day and at the end of the day Wow, that's how essential plans are to building anything you want to do it the proper way now By the sound real smart. You tell them people like you got to kind of build this Okay, you got it right. Oh, thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. I'm just a very quick video I know they were talking a little bit fast as well But then anything from that you caught just a few snippets of it Few pointers that stood out to you I loved how they said like they look into the blueprint daily not just one day like literally the look into every day and He said like you can either do it on your way or you can do it in the right way Right. Yeah. Thanks. Anything else guys? Anything else? Yeah, depends between efficient and proficient. Yeah, that was quite a and I open up Very profound. Yeah. Yeah, so There would look at the blueprint At least twice a day in the morning and the evening, right? Maybe before they start and after the day's work, they'll come back to it and see okay and they refer to the blueprint and Draw a comparison or a parallel. Is it is it where it is according to the blueprint? right, so That's just another point for us to Establish that the importance of blueprint and how going back to our point in our context that the church is God's idea and he has already given us his blueprint You know to build his church because church again is his idea How much more should we keep referring to his word to his blueprint as to the importance of Of building the local church, right? So that's where we are at and and in your notes You'll see it begins by saying the New Testament contains several pictures and images of what God perceives the local church to be There are a lot of pictures and imagery Right that God uses in the Bible So to paint a picture of this is how it should be and for example We see that when the tabernacle of Moses that God gives Moses a blueprint of the tabernacle of that is in Heaven already right and you read that in the book of Hebrews Right, and so It's using some of those pictures those images that God has already given to us both in the new and in the old We keep referring to okay, and that we will discover What is God's design for the local church? Okay, and we come down To page 48 We have this scriptural passage from first Corinthians chapter 3 verse 10 to 15 first Corinthians chapter 3 verse 10 to 15 It says according to the grace of God which was given to me as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation and another builds on it, but let each one take heed how he builds on it for no other foundation can anyone lay Then that which is laid Which is Jesus Christ now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold silver precious stones who would hey straw Each one's work will become clear for the day will declare it because it will be revealed by fire And the fire will test each one's work and what sort it is if anyone's work Which he has built on it endures he will receive a reward if anyone's work is burnt He will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved yet through yet. So as through fire Okay, I also want to read the message version That's mentioned here says using the gift God gave me as a good architect. I designed blueprints Paulus is putting up the walls let each carpenter who comes on the job take care to build on the foundation Okay, just take care to build on the foundation. Remember there is only one foundation the one already laid Jesus Christ Okay, so the foundation is already laid and that is Jesus Christ take particular care in picking out your building materials Okay, now that obviously this is an imagery or an analogy as an example, right? is The foundation is there the blueprint is given Basically a long story short is in simple terms what Apostle Paul states that we have all been given a common foundation Or a blueprint, but each of us must be careful how we build and what we build with This is the premise to this whole section and to this whole course basically is that the blueprint has been given the foundation is already being laid Now Just like what the video the person in the video was saying is you can either do it your way Or you can do it the way that the blueprint dictates or it already is, you know said So it's same thing to do with the church is we can choose to just build the church the way We want to with our own ideas and you know, yada yada yada And or we can choose to follow God's blueprint, right? So that is the premise of this whole course this The section and whatnot. Okay, so having understood that This is once again God's idea. He's already given us the blueprint and he is the foundation because the foundation is already being laid and that is Jesus Christ and Paul is encouraging us to be careful with what we do and how we do it Okay, and I think that's very important guys, all right So we start off the chapter 8 So one of those blueprints and we're gonna look at this in this section. There are about 10 perspectives in this whole thing Okay, very quickly in your PDFs if you can go all the way to page 119 Thank you. Let's go to 119 Good another second Hey, if you are you there page 119 in your PDF Cool. So you look at that image, right? It's It's a table kind of a thing that says God's blueprint for the local church And we will be going through all of this That's from starting from the bottom It will be learning about the body of Christ as a body of Christ We represent him and carry out his purposes the family of God now We live as his family here on earth the pillar of truth. We uphold truth in this world As as a has his local church. We are God's chosen people. We demonstrate kingdom culture and kingdom values As a local church We are an army of God We overthrow the works and the powers of darkness as the local church We are the bride in love with our bridegroom God House of prayer and worship continuous worship and prayer the temple of God God dwelling among us and his glory revealed through us And the vine and the branches which shows off intimacy and births Fruitfulness and finally the lamp stand are standing before him. It makes us light in a dark world And so this is a very a quick a brief Template sort of say of what this section is going to be like and and we will be learning in much detail about all these Pillars of truth Right of God's blueprint for the local church So let's just start off chapter eight the local church the body of Christ Apostle Paul starts off by saying In Colossians chapter 1 verse 18 and he's I said and he is the head of the body He referring to Jesus the church Who is the beginning the first born from the dead that in all things he may have the preeminence Okay, he is the head of the body The church and we've already established from the beginning that the church is the body of Christ Okay, and here Paul is saying that and Jesus is the head of that body At right and in the previous section we saw that Paul saying that he is the foundation as well Okay, so a very quick question to us when he's saying that he is the head of the body so What is the importance of the of the head To a body what is the importance of the head to a body In any medical students or I actually you don't have to be a medical student to answer this question Come on guys. What's the importance of a head? Um the functions of our body are connected. Okay functions of a body are connected. Thank you. What else? Head denotes authority Head denotes authority. Okay. All right. We're going somewhere Isaac you were saying something It controls the activities of the body It controls the activity of the body. All right Authority activity. Okay Any other teas? Come on guys. Well, nobody else know understands or knows the importance of a head or what Is that it only? Aradra Anita It's not a tricky question, right? Is it if my head is missing? I won't be here Here Head has brains So we get direction The head of the body is the decision maker In the decision maker all of the activities and controls them Right, right Yeah, yeah, thank you. Thanks everyone. Yeah, I mean, I think uh, yes, go ahead Oh without the head The rest of the body is useless Well simple there we go guys The head just so the body is useless. That's it, you know mic drop statement, uh, right there. So, um It John already knows this but then, you know, I have this recording migraines That uh, that is really bad. And so when I when I have like a severe migraine attack uh I literally won't be able to do anything Like moving a muscle or a finger or a hand will be like a huge Hercules task, you know And so I understand the importance of the head because just with the headache. So But when we say that Jesus is the head of a body, that means like some of you already said that he is like the authority Right the decision-making thing if without the head We are useless And so without him There is nothing we can do Right. And so the first thing is we acknowledge that he is the head. Um, you know the leadership authority Uh, right. So as his body Uh, it's the notes says our life and identity flows from him Uh, we need to get that straight Okay, as his people as his church We need to acknowledge that he is our head. Uh, and then our identity flows from him. Okay Act chapter 17 verse 28. It says for in him We live and move and have our being Isn't that beautiful and now it all all of a sudden all these verses are making sense, you know It comes to life and by the way, I was listening to one of uh, jordan peterson's lecture If you know, he's not a theologian and all of that but I just like listening to him talk Um, and then he he uses an image Says talks about how the bible is the most hyperlinked Book ever. Um, so each verse is connected. So probably basically long story short There are about 64 000 cross references for each scripture, uh It's incredible and you think of a bible is it is A book but then it's a collection of books And and to know that it was written through different times and errors and so many different authors And to know that it has 64 000 odd cross references It's like clearly a hyperlinked book and so I mean when we read the colossians chapter one was 18 And then we used to read, you know, it was like ax chapter 17 was 20. It's so beautiful Just to see how it all comes together and makes sense, you know Yeah, that's just a side note there. So The foundation and the basis of this is our identity when we know that our identity flows from him And not uh and our denominations or doctrines is You know when we realize that who we are in christ, uh, you know Our identity is not in our denominations some doctrine or some peculiar way of doing things or some other earthly things We are his body and hence we carry his name alone Okay, and so that's the basis of everything and and now and as his body We represent, uh, jesus we reveal jesus. Okay, so we are his body He is our head Our identity flows from him having understood that Now it is our job. It is our duty to represent or re-present Jesus to the world or reveal or unveil that's Another word for revealing right a revelation or an unveiling that happens. We need to unveil jesus to the world Right, so as his body we represent jesus we reveal jesus as it says in Ephesians 1 22 23 And he put all things under his feet and gave him to be head over all things to the church And gave him to be head over all things to the church Which is his body The fullness of him who fills all in all Right and in the book of one john, uh, we see that uh, at least, uh We we are called to represent Jesus at least seven times it says they in One john one seven walk in the light as he is light And walk as he walked See him as he is Purify ourselves as he is pure, uh, right and the list goes on Practice righteousness as he is righteous Love as he loved and commanded us to love as he is so are we in this world? So time and time again, uh, you know, john is encouraging us to represent jesus And then he's constantly drawing a parallel and the standard is jesus, okay Be a light as uh, you know, so-and-so person is a light He's not he's not comparing to another disciple or an apostle or a deacon or an elder He's saying be a light And our standard is jesus Okay, uh be pure as jesus is pure So right up there, okay, and so and I think so many times it's very easy for us to draw a comparison Oh or uh Focus on another man I mean, I don't know how to say that but then it's okay to have role models and whatnot But I think you understand what I'm saying, right? It's okay. It's absolutely Necessary to honor another man of god, but our standard our head Our king our leadership our authority Is always jesus right and so we represent as his body we represent jesus we reveal jesus Okay, christ is our standard our model our pattern Our ability to represent him comes from the fact that he fills each of us with himself Right. Um, so is uh, are you all uh still alive? Okay I take that as a yes um Hey, then so that's the first point, isn't it so as his body we represent and we reveal jesus the next as his body We are his hands and feet We do his will Okay, we are his hands and feet. We do his will And so the church is the instrument to execute christ's purposes Hey, can I say that again? It's in the notes page 50. The church is the instrument to execute christ's purposes Okay, uh in in the beginning of this course. We mentioned we spoke a little bit about the message Uh, right of the local church, right the message the purpose and whatnot Um, so the great commission is we saw that it's not a great suggestion And so what helps in fulfilling the great commission is the local church and the local church Helps in fulfilling the great commission. So, uh, it goes in in that circle, isn't it? And so that's why we're talking about the local church is the instrument to execute christ's purposes Right and and the purpose that he gave us was that the great commission, right? So the body executes what the head commands We are to listen to him and then move execute what he speaks, right as it says Uh, as I just said that, you know, it tells us what to do, uh, you know Which hand to use which we should like to do and whatnot Like grosslin says it head has the brains. So it's it's telling us what to do, isn't it? Which direction to go? Wait, uh, one of the not not not a Not a great site to see is what we call it as a person with a brain damage or a brain dead person Uh, right. Um, I mean, they are just like a The scientific field calls it as a vegetable. You know, they are just breathing. That's it They're not able to move a muscle. They're nothing else, isn't it? Um, but so it's very important to Uh, just the head is again establishing that point The importance of uh, the head we are to listen to him and then move execute what he speaks Because in matthew 1040 a jesus when he says that he sees himself extended through us Uh, right because in the previous point we said we are to represent or represent Right. We are christ's ambassadors here on earth, isn't it? Uh, when we say we come in the name of jesus Uh, you know jesus feels extended through us. So that's why he says he who receives you Receives me why? Because we come in his name we come bearing his name. We are there representing him and he who receives me Receives him who sent me Okay, um in such a profound statement and john 2021 also says so jesus said to them again peace to you as the father has sent me I send you Okay, so as his body we are his hands and his feet. Uh, we are to do um, we do his will Okay, um, and then the third point is as his body. We are in relationship with one another Okay, we as his body. We are in relationship with one another. So what's the first point again? As his body We represent and we reveal jesus second thing as his body We are his hands and feet And with that we do his Will okay, and then the third point as his body. We are in relationship with one another All right, here's a classic, uh scripture first Corinthians chapter 12 where paul is explaining the importance Um of the different body parts and how they are connected right Can someone can I request someone to read that passage please a first Corinthians 12? 12 to 27 It's in the notes. Um, so Can I request one of us to read that Christ Corinthians chapter 12 verse 12 to 27 As the body is one and has many members but all the members of that one body being many or one body So also is christ for by one spirit. We will all baptize with the one body whether jews or beast whether Slaves or we and have all been made to drink into one spirit For in fact, the body is not one member but many if the foot should say because i'm not hand i'm not of the body Is it therefore not of the body and if the earth should say because i'm not an eye i'm not i'm not of the body Is it therefore not of the body if the whole body were an eye There would be the hearing if the whole Whole were hearing where would be the smelling? But now god has said the members each one of them in the body just as he pleased And if they were all one member, where would the body be now? Indeed, there were many members yet one body and the eye cannot say to the hand I have no need of you nor again the head to the feet. I have no need of you No much rather those members of the body would seem to be weaker or necessary And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable On these be best of great honor and our and our Unpresentable parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need But god composed the body having given greater honor to that part which lacks it That there should be no system in the body But that the members should have the same care for one another and if one member suffers All the members suffer with it or if one member is haunted all the members rejoice with it Now you are the body of christ and members Thanks, jephina Okay, it's an incredible passage of scripture so much of wisdom there right and so the notes below are We've just kind of dissected that Entire passage of scripture. So let's go through that quickly. Okay So the body has many members Okay, we are different in terms of role and function in the body. We are not all same Okay, I think everybody can agree to that But each one of us is a member of the body None of us is not needed right, none of us Can say that we are not needed or Not one person can say about another person that this person is not necessary or is not needed Uh in the body of christ, we can't say that right each one of us is a member of this body of christ We are not independent. We need each other Okay, and there are diverse functions in the body. Um, you know, it's drawing a parallel so Let's just we were talking about the church We can talk about the different teams that goes to make one church So it's happening from the different volunteering teams from the worship team the setup team the sound team the streaming live streaming team The teams that serves the communion that's the team that Cleans that there's a team that what else collects the offering Uh, there's a team for welcoming the new people. There's a team ushering team who greets and distributes books and whatnot Uh, and the children's church team the teams church team the youth team What is this? Uh, what am I? I'm sure I'm missing out a lot the parking team um helps in parking You know the vehicles What is can can anyone say it's like, okay? Hey Hey, you know, we don't need you. You're not necessary. We can't isn't it? There are diverse functions in the body and that's why We are dependent on each other. We need each other All right, um and also goes on to say, uh, god has placed each one where he saw it best for us and he Was pleased as he was pleased Uh, it takes many of us all of us to make up the whole and we can never claim independence Recognize that others have been placed around you to give into your life Okay, um highlight that line if you can recognize we need to recognize that others have been placed around you to give into your life And you have been placed around them to give into their lives Right. I need others and others need me It's not an arrogant statement. It's it's a statement of humility Okay, uh, I need others and others need me, right? Um, so Others need your counsel or your wisdom your strengths and And whatnot, right? So again coming back to our live example in church Like we have those uh who who serve in the sound team Because they have experience in how to use a mixer board a sound board or setting up the speakers You know, okay, how to increase the volume decrease the volume. This is how it should sound Right. I I know how to control the treble the mids and the bass, etc and uh And there might be others who say is like, okay, that is not my forte. I'm not trained in that area I don't have any interest in that but I like to greet people. I'm a video. I'm an extrovert person I want to greet them. I want to shake their hands. I want to give them a hug spiritual hug and all of They're like, yeah Right. So we we need each other, isn't it? Uh, and that's the beauty of the body of christ. Uh, we are Uh, we all need each other and the next point is even more beautiful It says god gives great honor to what seems to have less honor Okay, what seems weaker is necessary and hence it's particularly important What seems hidden receives great honor and hence must not be treated lightly What seems hidden receives great honor? I mean, this just reminds for me of my church is when I say my church our church apc Is this the setup team? I have huge respect that they are my favorite team Although there are like 19 different teams that work together to make one service happen Setup team is my by far my favorite I'm going on record over here and they know that There that's the team that comes first The day before move equipments set up the equipments. It's back breaking work Roll the cables set up the cables And so the worship team can come and lead worship and the team worship team and The worship leader the musicians are all under the spotlight under the lights and the stage Everybody who comes into the church service at 10 30 am sees the the worship leader with the guitar and whatnot Nobody sees the person the people who came at 6 a.m. In the morning to just to set up everything roll out the carpets Bring out the trunk with all this heavy equipments laid all so that the team can come and We can't say. Ah, they're just the setup team, you know Uh, you know, uh, we we can't if the if the setup team is not there once sunday And that happened once Uh, yeah, it's not fun. Uh, you know just doing your own setup and uh, and And also being part of the team is back breaking work. So uh, and we need to recognize the team that is not seen Right or that seems hidden Uh, right. Oh, I'm just using one example of one team. There could be so many other teams who are working behind the scenes And most of them are working behind the scenes. I didn't even mention about the live streaming team who's all at the back of the green room and And they're like, okay, if something happens to the internet connection, what can we do? Is there anything, you know all this just This is so important, right? We are all important If nobody can say one team is more important than the other team You guys with me, right? Um, and then finally god does not want any division or strife in his body But that we demonstrate much love and care for one another that point kind of sums up the whole chapter, right? So Uh, as his body We are in relationship with one another right And so uh, moving on from that point some of the practical ways a local church can implement this Some of the practical ways how we can implement this as his body our life and identity flows from him How can we apply this or in our practical in our local church is uh, teach Teach believers Right, uh teaching brings about a revelation Isn't it it it reveals knowledge, okay? What I didn't know now I know When you learn something or when you're being taught is like, oh, I didn't know about this Right and the importance of being taught, uh, is so important I teach believers to always see their identity in Jesus Not in their denominations or in their local church or in their gifts or in their talents What not identity is so much more deeper, right? Our identity isn't him. We need to teach that ensure that everything we do Everything we do as a local church flows out of a place of relationship and intimacy with him Uh, these are all such basic basic points. Isn't it? And yet this is where we Uh, we fail brilliantly Right, uh in the most grand scale we fail when we don't get these two things Right, it's our identity when we think uh, when we, you know When we depend, uh, when we think that our identity is in our gifts or talents or strengths and whatnot and not on Jesus not in Jesus And uh, when we do everything, uh Out of the relationship and intimacy of Jesus everything begins to fall apart Right, so as his body, we need to teach our believers when you need to teach your congregation You need to teach your people your teams. You need to emphasize this You know, uh impress all of this in them, right as his body once again, we represent Jesus We reveal Jesus as his body. We are his hands and feet Right, uh, we do his will Uh, but time and time again, we see that, uh, you know Jesus At least in the gospel of john, you know, he says Uh, john 4 34 jesus said to them My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work That's john 4 34 john 5 chapter John chapter 5 us that he says I can do nothing on my own initiative As I hear I judge and my judgment is just because I do not seek my own will but the will of him Who sent me? And john chapter 6 verse 38. Uh, I says for I have Come down from heaven Not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me Right, uh, I love this prayer in Psalm 143 of verse 10. It says teach me to do your will For you are my god Let your good spirit lead me on level ground I love that prayer, right? Uh, and so if I mean The humility of jesus is seen even when he keeps saying that you know, I am here Uh, because the father sent me and I'm here to do not my will But his will right if anyone on earth I had all the license to go rogue If was jesus Right, it's like my way. I am the one way, you know, 2000 years from now. Hillsong is going to sing about me But then he humbled himself Right, that's not my will but yours be down, right? How much more should we? Right as his body where we are in relationship with one another Encourage all believers to find their role and function in the local church body Uh, I mean sometimes not everybody might know what their strength is, you know, which team they can serve in If they are confused, you just tell them to just start serving in in a team, uh, whichever, you know I mean if they really want to serve in the worship team, please have a notation Um That's a safe bet But everything else actually you're hiring to someone else. You don't need an audition for all that they can just start serving, isn't it? Okay, um, and so in conclusion, uh, having said all of this a couple of, uh, challenges That we need to be aware of, okay a challenge of culture and social backgrounds The challenges that you can be prepared for and it's not the only challenges. There are lots more There are so many challenges that you will not learn about in the bible college Uh, you know, I'm sure all the previous all the pastors and all the previous bible college students or graduates were not Uh, prepared for coven So i'm just putting it out there. Okay, so um Some local churches may have people who come from varied cultural and social backgrounds Okay, cultural and social backgrounds Sometimes people find it difficult to cut across these differences and come together as one body Okay, uh, and what's the one challenge there is the social backgrounds the cultural backgrounds, uh It takes time for this to happen. So, um, and the notes goes on to say as a senior pastor or Be sensitive to where things are People tend to stay within groups. Uh, they are comfortable with Which is fine, but it is our duty our responsibility To constantly encourage people to step out of their own groups and interact with others Encourage a kingdom culture Okay, uh, do not promote promote any one culture or social or language group over another Uh, I can keep emphasizing teaching them that hey, we are all one. Uh, we need to function as one Uh, right. There's just a couple of uh challenges that you can be prepared for and I'm sure we can already relate to some of it. Um, but There's another challenges misapplication of being, um, I'm sure you can see that I'm sure you can see that I'm sure you can see that And another challenge is misapplication of being, um, one body is, um I mean, some of them find it really hard to I mean, they go to do different extremes. One extreme is in the spectrum. One extreme is this I'm part of the body of christ. Uh, and so I why should I belong to just one local church? I will go to every local church, uh in the city of bangalore Or to your city because I'm part of the local church. That's on the one full extreme and commitment is uh, uh Yeah Right. So that's what it says here. Sometimes people misapply this truth of being one body They have no commitment to a single local church, but just float around different local church in town according to their own fancy Uh, some may even float around across local churches for other reasons such as to network and gain contacts To promote their own ministry and so on Sorry, that's one extreme. Then there's another extreme saying, um A uh, you know, I'm committed to this local church. So I will not even talk to a person who is from another local church Uh, if you're not from apc, I'm not going to talk to you. That's another extreme. Uh So we need the in the spectrum. There is a balance, right? I mean, we recognize that we are part of this universal church Right. We are the body of christ and yet we are called to be committed to a local church And that should not stop us from having fellowship or any kind of relationship from people from other churches other local churches Um, right and all of this again, uh, what will help is how you teach Uh, your congregation Okay, um, so that's uh, this chapter is the first perspective Is that we are the body of christ Okay, uh, any questions or any thoughts so far? Imagine we have members. Okay. So there's a question from john paul. He says imagine we have members who visits another church informing the pastor Okay, so in who visits another church informing the pastor at least once in two months Is it okay to have them as volunteers? Uh Two months means that's a half a month Four Sundays in a month. So two Sundays here two Sundays there, uh That is once in two months like once in eight weeks So they they go to another church once in eight weeks. So they let them inform before going Sometimes they don't need four months Yeah, well, I mean, uh Uh, what do you do? I mean you talk to them about the commitment and whatnot because I'm because uh, like even at apc We have people who just have a membership In another church Another denomination church But they are very very active in our worship teams and and whatnot Because I mean they've the member The I don't know how this is possible, but they seem to have membership in both the churches Uh, but that's a different story, but uh here I mean you you might Should have a conversation with them and see uh where they want to be committed Now it might begin with one week. It might some months. It might be two weeks Uh Some months like I don't know. I'm just putting it out there You know just keep yeah increasing or it's not good for both the churches. No, so go ahead. Sorry Yeah, I think it's just to uh, as you said Similar kind of what we mentioned like, you know, they have a membership in another church, but they like, uh, or people search the church that we have and uh, just to Retreat the other church that my membership is still there they go so You know, maybe for funeral or maybe for any wedding Yeah, yeah But they they are very much involved. They were very much Committed to when they come with their very much into So in those cases Yeah, I mean uh, see, uh It's a very unique situation to our church And I'm sure I mean there might be situations like this But then having a conversation with them about commitment and so it doesn't affect Their commitment to your church or neither to the other church Uh, right if they're somewhere in the fence, um Uh, you know, and that's what I told to certain people Who sit on the fence who and who come to apc? um Because they want to come I mean They can't come to certain youth meetings or because they are involved there and They can't be there because they are involved here. It's none of us being benefited. So And they can't go on like that for a long time So have a conversation with them Yeah, also just one more similar question like what if a person Is involved in another ministry So that ministry helps other churches So as a part of being involved in that ministry, he or she wants to go to other churches on Sundays But not every Sunday, but at least as I said like once in two months or so um so In those cases what should be our approach like, you know, if uh, you know, it's this because they're part of another ministry So they are into distribution of bibles or evangelism stuff like that. So As a part of that they want and they want to visit other churches to promote that ministry Or to it's not exactly promoting ministry But you know in the in the sense that you know, they want to evangelize more and let people know things like that Yeah, completely taking in the right sense So what would be our approach You know, I think that's that's fine John I mean there isn't no I also say that is because as you mentioned that if they're leading a ministry or they're if they're part of a ministry Uh, you know and the ministry in itself is not church But then they see the need to be plugged into a local church, which is your church, for example But then the ministry and the duty calls that they have to you know, reach out to another churches or be elsewhere Uh, but I think it's fine as long as you see their commitment um to your church Yeah, yeah, thanks. Thank you. Hello Yeah, you know, have you I was going to come Yeah, good Yeah, good morning. I want to put them out on the What the discussion that's going on We have a local church and we have a ministry There are people all around the ministry and there are people who want to look at church It depends on god direction I want to use my own case as a case study We start we will have the money to start as a church, but the maker said no You start the ministry And our ministry we do it once every I mean once in a week And uh, we have a local church where we attend and we Walk as a member in that local church though. The pastor recognizes us But that is not Our own ministry right We do everything to make sure we keep learning from the local church What we do our ministry Yeah, and at some time Well, I got invitation to minister boats outside my state Once they didn't seem in the local church, you didn't know that we are going to a ministry work So there is nothing Wrong in that In as much that You are serving the Lord and yes, there's another ministry. They meet every Sunday's colonia Every Sunday and all the workers the workforce of that ministry. They belong to a local church But that Sunday evening 5 o'clock to 9 p.m. 5 p.m. To 9 p.m Is feed up more than a thousand more than 10,000. Yeah about They belongs to local church But they go to another ministry. I think he is okay and uh, just move your stand. Thank you Yeah, yeah, thanks. You know, yeah Yeah, I think it's also, uh, I mean we encourage You know even at at apc We encourage people to you know go out and serve in different ministries and whatnot like uh, like I would Even john I think you know, we were part of not part We would serve in this ministry called face-to-face foundations where we would go lead worship In their house of prayer and whatnot, right? So Now where we draw the line or where we the guidelines that we would give Although our worship team members at apc is that we encourage them to go and serve minister outside and whatnot but then The other end of the spectrum is this So they will only come to church on the sunday They would lead worship And on the rest of the sundays they are not to be seen In church, uh, you know because their cons they are ministering, you know in the city and whatnot Now that we don't Encourage as much, okay So we encourage our worship team members to also be part of the services when they are not playing It's not like you have to come to church only when you're part of the team on sundays You know, we we encourage our worship team members to uh, you know to be there Uh, there's not sunday with they can't be that's understandable But if it's a regular practice or a recurring practice where they are only they only come to sunday Uh to church on a sunday that they're leading and the rest of the month They're not to be seen and that's uh That's not very healthy and we don't encourage that as But there has to be a balance, isn't it? um, uh every, uh, you know great, um, you know people like to stoneman paul belosh Uh and whatnot. So they might travel the world, uh, you know leading worship and whatnot but In all their personal websites and blogs and whatnot They teach on the emphasis on being connected to a local church when they are in their city, uh, you know They they feel the need to be part of a local church connected plugged in It should be accountable to a leader whatnot, right so That's it. Thanks guys. Thanks, uh, john. Um, you know Questions and insights Okay, um, so we'll stop the class now and as I mentioned we will have only one session for for today. All right See you all next week. Thanks for joining in guys. Take care. Bye. Bye Thank you Thank you, sir Thank you pastor Thank you pastor