 I want to show a short video about TechSoup that was made available about a year ago. Yeah, just over a year ago, September 2020. And so we're gonna hear from Rebecca and I'm not sure how daring I wanna be with pronouncing your last name. I'm gonna have to look at it. Ma Sasak, not sure I've got the accent or emphasis in the right spot. She's the CEO of TechSoup and I was looking for something short like that to introduce to people. Then we're gonna take a little poll and review our agenda. See if anybody has any thoughts they'd like to share with us. Sheena, you're with us. Is that right? You could say hi if you want. So I'm gonna say hi to you. Thank you for coming out. And I'm gonna get the video lined up here. So this is the video. Just give it about 30 more seconds. We've got six of us are in the meeting here and I'm just checking. We're expecting a guest speaker that I'm thinking is gonna join us between about 3.45 and four o'clock Eastern time. And hopefully that's still good with him. So looking at the time on my computer here, I've got 3.49 and I think it's been there about 50 seconds. So maybe just a few more seconds I wanna keep to our schedule here. And this video is short. It's just a bit over a minute and a half. Okay, so we could even show it twice really, but let's look at it the first time now and please respond in the chat. If you cannot hear it, we did a test and we think you should be able to hear it. Okay, here we go. TechSoup is a network of international NGOs all working on a common mission. We look to use technology to help the community connect and develop innovative solutions so that we in general have a more equitable planet. TechSoup was founded in 1987 as a local Bay Area organization originally and what was seen was really the social activists needing to deal with this new technology thing and the invention of the PC and so forth and also the nerds of the world at the time really wanting to contribute but not really knowing how to connect. And so we actually originally started by trying to make those connections between people which is still part of our mission. And over the course of time, we found that when we were helping local organizations, they often could make a plan for technology but they couldn't get funding for it and they couldn't get the resources that they needed. And so we came up with some ideas for how to better provide services or to go to corporations and others who might be able to provide products. And we realized that we might be able to expand that to a broader set of products and services and use an e-commerce platform to do it. And TechSoup is nothing without the 100 corporations and 200 foundations and the partnerships we have with 70 NGOs around the world. We are always trying to help make it easier and have less friction for them to connect with offers and for the corporations to meet their philanthropic objectives for the programs. That is sort of the secret sauce in between. Hey, yeah. All right. So did that come through okay? TechSoup is a network of international. It did? Yes, it did. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Lizzie. So I know we have a small group on the call right now and I think our guest speaker joined us. So we might be able to watch that again or we might watch another video a bit later. But let me go over what we're covering today. What we just saw was a short introductory overview video of TechSoup by their CEO, Rebecca Mossesock. Is anyone on the call, if you would be willing to put in the chat, are you a member of TechSoup? So I'm going to put yes, I am. Is anybody else taking advantage? You can take advantage of some of the things with TechSoup without being a member. And you can take advantage of other things if you are. So you do need to be an organization, though a nonprofit organization. It could be just about anywhere in the world. So individuals are not eligible to become a member of TechSoup, but you can become a member as an individual through your organization. Okay, we went through a little bit of a simple poll. I want to do one more pass at that. We got our warm-up icebreaker with using poll everywhere and texting a response on where people were located. And I learned anyway that you can put an emoji in the response. So if you'd like to participate, I'm going to change the question. I'm going to deactivate this poll. And Liz put the instructions in the chat. You also see them on the top here, where you send a text to 22333 with the phrase, YTB Youth 147. You do not have to be concerned about upper or lower case. And then that will allow you to participate. You can also participate by going to this web address, pollyv.com forward slash YTB Youth 147. Okay, I'm going to change the question to a question about digital inclusion. Now we're going to get some background on what digital inclusion is. But let's see what we end up with on this question, which is simply it's kind of a barometer for our meeting. I know we have a small group here. We had close to 20 people registered. So I'm not sure if every and I believe all of the reminders went out. So on this one, if you are interested in participating, you can respond with A for where on it, B for we're getting started doing something with it, three, wish we I'm sorry, letter C, wish we knew what to do and letter D. I have no idea what digital inclusion is, but we're going to help you out with that. So I'm going to put a response in there and I'm sending it to two to three, three, three. And I'm going to put my response in there and let's see if it shows up. So Liz, Lizzie, I know we were practicing with it before. So let's see, is it oh, I have not opened it. My bad. I got it. So while you have moderators, facilitators and a team here. OK, so I am going to send up my vote again. Looks like we have a couple of other people voting, right? I got some getting started. OK, so we definitely want to provide some good ideas for the people who want ideas, who have no ideas, who want to know what to do. And I think by the end of our session, we are we're going to make some headway on that. All right, so let me go back to to the agenda here. Any comments, thoughts or questions? Or I just want to confirm that we're in pretty good shape. And and I'm asking our guest speaker. If this is a good time to talk with us about about digital inclusion. Is is this good for you, Andrew? Are you do I have to unmute anybody? I'm going to OK, my video is muted, but it looks like my mic can work. Yes, I'm ready. OK, all right. Really appreciate I want to introduce our guest speaker here. Oh, no, that is crazy. Did you take over? No, I still have the I don't know why it. So, Liz, you see that, right? This is like, yes, it's like a gray screen. Yeah, OK, so I'm going to move over is and put this up. Are you seeing that? OK, so, yeah, so our guest speaker is Andrew Farrelly of Digital Inclusion Practitioners of New Jersey, and you can see the logo for that organization. And he's going to fill us in on what digital inclusion is. And I put some links on the. Liz, is there a way to put it's it's a short document here. Is there a way to put it into the chat? And if not, yes, it's the one that you sent me an email earlier, right? That's correct. Yes, in the chat. Yep. OK, so anybody who would like to explore any of those links. But at this time, Andrew, would you like to take over the screen share? I'll do it. I'll stop. Is that? Yes, please. OK, all right. So. All right, Andrew, the floor is yours to. Fill us in. Just confirm you can see the flights. Yes, looks great. And my apologies. My internet has been out for actually over a week at this point. So I am in a public space. So please excuse the background noise. Gosh, thank you. Thank you for the extra extra effort. Thank you. No problem. So yes, my name is Andrew Farrelly, and I am chair of an organization called Digital Inclusion Practitioners of New Jersey or dip and J for short. And yeah, I'm going to talk about I talk to you today about what digital inclusion is. And you can visit us at dip and J dot org either now or later. But yeah, so I wanted to start off with a few definitions to get us started. And has anyone heard of the digital divide before? Please feel free to unmute and or if there's something in the chat like. Yes, I. Yes, yes. For me, I think I think you have a different idea of what the digital divide intense helps and it's it's it's when certain population doesn't have access to the internet web on a wide span, I guess. You just don't have the equipment or the resources. So you are good. Mostly students, you know, in the social economic deprived areas, or it's just it's a money thing when you can't afford the broadband. That's that's a really good, good definition, although I push back on the idea of it just being students. The official definition or a official definition is the economic, educational and social inequalities between those who have a digital devices, be easy and regular online access and see the requisite skills and resources to take full advantage of those first two elements and those who did not. So I think you were spot on about the not having access to the internet or devices as you pointed out. But another component is also the digital literacy aspect, which brings us to the next definition. Does anyone know what digital literacy is? Well, I got some education on it through Badger.com. And I'll say a little more about that later, but it's it's knowing, I think, how to protect yourself from spam, how to know if you're looking at legitimate information, how to, you know, do some of the basics of cybersecurity and antivirus software. Hope I'm in the ballpark with some of that. Yeah, absolutely. All those things would be counted as digital literacy. The definition that we use, I think, is developed by the American Library Association, but they say it's the ability to use information and communication technologies to find, evaluate, create and communicate information. Requiring both cognitive and technical skills. So it's not not just the ability to notice when something is spam or phishing as you noted, Jerome, but also what to do about it. Right. It's the ability to navigate online or even even just your phone. Right. All these things would be included within digital literacy. I just like to say I have a lot of great neighbors, but if I could add one more, I'd wish a librarian was my neighbor because I think they are invaluable. Yeah, absolutely. Or that. Yeah. Cool. Third one, digital equity. Has anyone heard of that or have a guess of what that might be? Is it the same as digital divide or is it different? It's related. It's certainly related. Related. Well, I think a lot of us are concerned about equities in general. So is that, you know, fair and impartial and opportunity to benefit? Like, is is is digital inclusion a human right? Is it something to do with that? Well, at this point, I don't actually access to information and things around that, I believe, actually is considered human right by the UN. The term digital inclusion itself, I don't believe is is included in that definition, but digital equity. I think you were you were getting close is right. It's it's that condition in which all individuals and communities have the access to all these technologies, right? All these things that are ultimately needed for participating in society, democracy, the economy, things like that. And that's that's where we want to get. It's it's not something that we currently have. And so this all brings us to the big one, digital inclusion. And I could throw out some ideas. Actually, I do that later on. So I'm going to skip that for now. But there is an official definition of the term digital inclusion. And there are sort of less. Less, less intense versions. There's less, I think, serious versions of how people define digital inclusion. Some people, when they say digital inclusion, they just mean digital literacy or they just mean they're using interchangeably with the digital divide. Again, all these things are related. But digital inclusion has a definition set out by the National Digital Inclusion Alliance, sort of the the big organization working out this issue in the US. And they say that there are five elements. Oh, sorry. One thing I forgot to mention, there is a slightly more defined definition where people refer sometimes refer to the three leg stool of digital inclusion. And it's going to be these first three elements. Again, the National Digital Inclusion Alliance just adds two more. So the first element is affordable, robust broadband internet service. And the affordable and the robust part are both incredibly important here, affordable. Obviously, if it's too much work to be able to afford the internet or if it's just you're not a person is not able to pay for this thing that is so crucial to participation in a modern life, then you won't be able to do it, right? You won't you won't have it. And that leads to a whole bunch of issues. Robust, I think, is the part that people a lot of people forget. It's not sufficient to have like technically have access to the internet. It has to be strong enough for your uses, right? If you need to, you have several people using the same several people on the same internet at the same time, maybe a few kids doing classes online and you're also working online. You're going to have to have more powerful internet than if it's just one person occasionally checking email. Right. So is that bandwidth then? Or what's is that another way to think about it? Bandwidth is exactly the broadband and and speeds, right? Sorry, a bandwidth and speeds. The second is internet enabled devices that meet the needs of the user. Again, it has to be a sufficiently powerful device. So and that could be different for different people, right? And it also depends on the needs of the user. So if all you want to do is maybe FaceTime with with friends or Zoom with friends or send emails, maybe maybe a phone, a mobile phone is sufficient. But if you are working from the computer, if you are doing school on a computer, then a stronger device, one that enables you to be both on, say, Zoom and have some other resource heavy app running in the background at the same time, both of those things would would have to exist, right? And so it depends on needs of the user. The third is access to digital literacy training. Again, if you if you're not able to ultimately navigate the internet or your digital device, then it's not as much of use or if any use at all. But really having access to that digital literacy training is important because, as we all know, apps change over time, right? What what do you have to do online and what is necessary and how to navigate the internet? It changes as technology grows. So those first three ones are what people mean when they say the three the three leg stool of digital inclusion. These next two ones, I think, are also incredibly important. Quality technical support. If the the nature of technology is it sometimes breaks or you're not sure why it's doing what it's doing. Having a trusted person who's easy to access to help you troubleshoot, to help you fix your device, whatever. Without that, again, the other three don't really matter. And finally, applications and online content designed to enable and encourage self-sufficiency, participation and collaboration. And so this means the the content that is ultimately being accessed has to be right for the user. So if it's maybe that means it's appropriate. Maybe that means if you have visual difficulties, you have the ability to change contrast on a website or enlarge the font, sort of things like that. There are two more notes that the National Digital Inclusion Alliance adds to this definition. They say that digital inclusion also must evolve as technology advances. So what is sufficient today might not be sufficient in two years time, right? If everyone if 20 years ago a sending email was something you could not do. At this point, it's not something that you can get around during. So as technology advances and as it becomes more and more part of every day life, digital inclusion must adapt to that. And finally, it requires intentional strategies and investments to reduce and eliminate historical, institutional and structural barriers to access to access and use technology. And so it's not really sufficient. We're not really going to close the digital divide just by saying, OK, now. We're starting now, we're all set, right? You we have to go back. We have to fix these historical inequalities that have existed and the effects of them in order to get to that point of digital equity. But like I said before, I was going to open up the floor again to talk about what what does digital inclusion actually mean, right? We have this definition, these these five elements and these two notes. But what does it mean to in like in normal people words, right? And what does it mean to the everyday person? Like to me, if if I could comment here is that you can keep up with everybody else or the, you know, the pace of technology influence in our life that, you know, if you're a student, you print, you have to have access to. Like I'm I'm saying technology kind of interchangeable with digital, but, you know, whether it's, you know, computer, laptop, tablet, but you have to have that and you have to be able to use it to do your work, to be able to get a job, to be able to complete your courses. So it's kind of like a utility like water and electricity power. I'm surprised that power isn't in there. I mean, I know it's obvious you have to be able to charge your devices or have, you know, battery power or electrical power. As well, I mean, maybe that's assumed with it. Yeah, so that's that's kind of my take on what digital inclusion means. I think the the the note about power would be definitely included within the robust broadband and or the robust technology itself, like, you know, the usable technology. But yeah, what about data literacy? Is that part of digital literacy? Like, because there's so much where we need to have an understanding of why I guess that's in the literacy of interpreting information, maybe that's it's included in there. Yeah. So these are these are all good thoughts and ideas. Media literacy would be included in digital literacy as well. So are there any other any other thoughts? Yeah, I was thinking, gosh, if you want to do video editing, you definitely have to have some powerful equipment for that. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, Jerome, you were you were all your examples absolutely fit into digital inclusion, right? You mentioned schoolwork and I heard that before. It could be things like low or no fee banking where you don't have to go to a brick and mortar store to, you know, cash or paycheck, right? You don't have to stand in line. But you also if you're not banked or you're not sufficiently banked, you you don't have to go to a check cashing place. It can be digital inclusion means connecting with loved ones. I'm sure we all did that over the course of the pandemic talking to someone who lived across the country, who is important to you. It's public transportation. My bus pass is online. I can buy it in bulk quite easily instead of, again, having to wait online. It's accessing services, government services. Again, all these these private services that we mentioned, it's health care, it's media literacy, like you mentioned, Jerome, online learning. It's sort of everything, right? And that's where we're all going with this in 2021. And for quite a long time at this point, many, many things have been either entirely digital or moving in that direction. And that's why digital literacy is so important. And so what can be done about this? What's this? It's this sort of thing. It's it's raising awareness of what digital inclusion really is and how it touches on everything such that when we understand the issue as as having such a wide scope and having such huge implications for our neighbors, we can make better and more equitable decisions such that tomorrow hopefully we can be a little more equitable and and so on and so forth. But as we do that, we really need to consider those five elements of digital inclusion and not focus solely on, say, digital literacy or just that internet aspect or or tech support. It does have to be the whole package. Not necessarily something that you have to offer all yourself, but trying to build that trying to build all of that together. Right. And so I have some. Final resources. The National Digital Inclusion Alliance is that organization that I noted a few times earlier, you can find them at digitalinclusion.org. There's an organization called N10 at N10.org and they have a Digital Inclusion Fellowship. I did this back in 2018 and throughout throughout the year you spend they support you as you build out a digital inclusion initiative with your organization. And I believe that they just started this year's cohort, so it would have to be for 2022, but something to keep in mind. And finally, there's Dip NJ, that's me, and you find us at dipnj.org. Jerome, I see you speaking, but you're muted. Yes, thank you. Thank you. What I want to ask is you mentioned N10. I learned about N10 through TechSoup. And I see, I view TechSoup as also being somewhat of a resource, I don't know, they're not specifically. I don't know, maybe how you interpret it. Do you. Is your organization or where you work a member of TechSoup or do you. So my day job, yes, as a member of TechSoup, yes. Yeah, there's a question that came in. It was direct to me about whether we can get a copy of your presentation slides. Is that, is that something you could share or put a link in? So thank you. Yeah, thank you for that. So I'm going to. Was there anything else you had or was that did you have. Get through the slides you wanted to share with us. Those are all the slides. I know that you had a few other things you wanted to touch on. Yeah, I'm going to. Go back to the screen share and let's see. OK. Yeah, I'm going to let's see, move something out of the way. And get my. Put this back over here. OK, now and I'm going to. OK, so is my screen share coming up OK? Yep. All right. All right, so I was going to go into full screen mode here and step down. So some of the. OK, so we are going to Andrew, somehow you're going to get us a link or a copy that we could put in the in the chat or email to people. Is that as I said, do that you can do that right now? Or yeah, I can turn into PDF and email that works for sure. OK, so. Some of the links that Andrew was talking about, I've also. Put in the the session slides and Liz put a link to those. So you'll have some of them here and momentarily or by the end of our session. I think we'll have a way to put a link into the chat. With the slides that Andrew. Talked us through and the. The web sites for the organization that he leads digital inclusion practitioners in Jersey, I'm a member. Is shown here and what is digital inclusion? That's also a very nice summary. And also from the National. National digital inclusion organization. There's a link here with definitions, so you could take advantage of that. And one of the other things that we wanted to share with you was something I learned about last week was. National digital inclusion week. Is that right, Andrew? Are you? Yes, that's correct. Yeah, so so please stay. Unmuted what I want to do is show I want to do two things here. I want to show a very interesting. Web. Platform called Spatial Chat, which I learned about last week. And then I want to show you a screening form that I just put together as a demonstration. It's nothing official, but it uses some of the tools that are freely available that you might find useful for the other parts of your work. OK, so let's see if the everything cooperates here. If I'm trying to, let's see, I'll go back out and. I'm launching Spatial Chat and I'm going to ask. I hope I get through. How's that going so far, Andrews? I think this is what. So if you could, this is, I don't know what it would be called a simulation or a replica of what you used last week. So please, I'm passing the baton to you to to tell me how to navigate or scroll and how this platform is useful for the symposium you ran last last week. Sure. Yes. So last week we had our during a digital inclusion week, which is a national a national effort to to to talk about digital inclusion for at least a week. We had our annual symposium and one of the things that we did during the event was have we wanted to make sure there was more more like an in person conference than a Zoom session might be. And so we use this platform called Spatial Chat, which is right here. And if you'll notice in the bottom at this point, left part of the screen, there is that little J circle and that's Jerome's little avatar, if you will, he because he's currently in in in in Zoom, it's it's a bit. It's a bit difficult to show because it uses the same camera and same microphone. But typically you'd have a bunch of people in the same room at the same time and depending on how proximate you are to them, you can hear them or not hear them. So if you're right next to each other, you both have your video going and you'd be able to do both to each other. And then if you want to move to someone else and they wanted to go someplace else and talk to someone else, they could they could do that by just dragging their normally would have your video on your face. So it's pretty neat people people seem to enjoy that because it gives you the freedom to walk around this room. Jerome, if you scroll out or in. Oh, OK. The entire room like that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't try that. Yeah. And then if you scroll in, you can say over by Andrina, there is that there's that paragraph you can scroll into there. And oh, OK. It's a brand new one hundred seventy seven unit building located in William and Jerome as you're closer to that video like you can you can hear the video as you would. If you want to be screened. Oh, OK. OK. Wireless access. That's very interesting. As it is to create the. I got it. So if I move away, it gets quieter. Yeah, it gets quieter. OK. And then. So typically the same sort of thing would be happening, not just with videos, but with with people. Yeah, yeah. So have you been working with Spatial Chat for a while? Or is it just recently that you've. Incorporated it in your. So you're doing or do you use it at work? Your other work, the our vice chair, Michael Strom, has been a big fan of Spatial Chat for a while. He had a he had a birthday party on it during the during the pandemic. Back in maybe June of 2020, which was, you know, kind of neat get to get around the Zoom fatigue a bit. This was the first time we had to. This is the first time I had used it in any professional context. But we we were quite happy with it and people seem to enjoy it. There are some things to note. There's a bit resource heavy for people's computers. So, for instance, my my computer can't run both Zoom and Spatial Chat at the same time. OK, but it is depending on on the the amount of items you place in a room as you design it, it that increases the strain on on on the amount of bandwidth it takes up. So you would have fewer videos in an ideal world. Right. Can you tell me where my little avatar disappeared? Or did I do something? Oh, it's down here, I think. Oh, I see it. Oh, here it is. OK. And move it out of there. OK. Well, that's I really appreciate learning about this. And so, Liz, talk with me offline about where this might be useful for for other things. OK, just anything you go ahead, I just want to add a few more things. Yeah, it works best in Chrome or Firefox. And they don't recommend they recommend that you use it on a computer and not a phone. So these are considerations just to take into account. Should you should you want to use it for an event just to give people warning? Yeah, that's that's interesting conference that Liz and Lizzie and I were participating in at the same time of Digital Inclusion Week was also recommended. We were using Socio app as a different kind of, I guess, platform, but they also recommended Chrome as and also using it in an in private or incognito mode to avoid some of the, I don't know, pop ups or other things where you need to give explicit permission for cookies or something like that. Yeah. OK, so is it all right then? I'm going to go back to a couple of the other things on the slides and connected in with what we're talking about. Let me pull that up and go in and come down. Yeah, whoops. OK, so here's the links on Spatial Chat. I want to show you the form I came up with earlier in the day. And Liz, are you able to copy the link and put the screening form into the chat? Is that seems like when I'm in full screen mode, it's a little trickier to do that. Go check. And but I'm going to click on it right now. And nope, that didn't work. Let me try it. Yeah, I guess I have to get out of full screen mode. And then if I press control, it's going to come up to a screening form. Now, there is nothing official about this. I'm simply demonstrating a Microsoft tool called forms, Microsoft forms and that it was relatively easy. It's just two questions here. And I think I can get a copy of that link since that word. I see you got it. OK, thank you. I don't know why it comes up so big or such like the long version. Let me just, for the heck of it, see if I can. Can I I'm going to copy? I'm going to see if it comes out the same way that it did. So I got a slightly smaller version of it. Either one should work. So if you are willing, Andrew, would you be willing, volunteer to or depending on what your capacity is where you are or Lizzie or Liz or Sheena or anyone who's on the call with us to try clicking on it and it should bring you to. You can do this. This would work nicely either on a mobile device, a phone or, you know, obviously a tablet or a computer. And related to the nature of the work that I know Sheena and I and and others have been invested in, we've been trying different screening tools or if you want to call them surveys or assessments or polls, you know, very, very simple, nothing lengthy or complicated to get a sense, kind of like a check in or a barometer. How are things going? Now, of course, you need some digital inclusion capacity to complete this or if you're meeting with someone in the library or someone is working with you, maybe you can give responses to to them, but I do appreciate that. Or if you completed this on an index card or a paper form, someone could transcribe it, but it's also you know, making the point that you need to have digital inclusion to to participate. So I wanted to have a way to remember the five what are the categories of digital inclusion? Is that the right term, Andrew? Or the characteristic? I say elements. I don't know. Actually, as a word for it, I like that five elements. So I just for my own memory device, I was trying to make a word out of it, but for an acronym, so I come up with I DATS for Internet, device, apps, training and support. That's really an abbreviated version of it. So OK, so so let's see what happens. I'm going to put in just so that you can see the response for the visual that can be created. I'm going to put in TechSoup because that's not anybody's name, so we should be able to pick it out. And so far for a meeting today, I think it's been going great. A pretty good device. Yeah, I'm doing OK. Might need a little help with training and and that's what Andrew was providing on Spatial Chat. And occasionally just so that I exercise the form and I pick something in each element or well, these are the five elements. And these I came up with for these four categories. And then I'm going to submit it. OK. So all right, so what happens next? I'm going to go over to a tool that I also use that's freely available from Microsoft called Power BI. And I'm going to refresh the data and fingers crossed. Hopefully my. Did it come in? Is TechSoup in there, Paul? Thank you for whoever submitted that one. It should come in. Pretty much real time. I'm going to do a refresh once more. I don't know why I'm not seeing TechSoup in here. Did anyone it's there? Oh, there it is. Thank you. Thank you. OK. OK, and I could actually go down to the minutes and seconds here. And and I just have the date, but the data has time and everything. And these measures up here are are telling us. How many responses came in and how many people are participating? I was doing some testing. So that was and I also had my dogs participating. That's Lacey and Lucy. So they were really cooperating as we were getting ready. And then if you go over to the whoops, let me get back to know that's. Is that mine or yours? I'm getting a little confused here. Let me go back up back up here. There's a visual display of responses. Now, obviously, I was showing you a visual display, but I am shared this out to the web so that you don't need my desktop software. Now, what you can see is on this one, I don't have all of the responses loaded because I did not set it up to do a real time refresh on the free version. I can set it up to do a refresh. I think every hour, which since that that's probably sufficient for a lot of things I'm working on. Or if I'm working back at the desktop, if I publish it and save my changes, then we could take a look at it. And you can also, since you have access to the slides, you can also interact with the version that has been made available on the web. So I'm going to go up there. Is this coming through the screen share? Is that so here's what it looks like, but actually I want you to see it the way you would see it on. So let me go back here. And this is more like what how it would appear to you. And if it should refresh, fingers crossed again. Not sure why it might be. Some latency on this. But I don't want to get caught up in that. Let me go back to the version that I. Published and where did that one go? Here it is. OK, so what you can do if if you were using a tool like this and the question might be, OK, who needs training? So if you click on that, it would tell you that my dog who's Beagle Lucy, she she's telling you and it was me who was the tester and I also need some help with that. And who needs Internet? Lacey, that's our other dog. She's also a Beagle and who needs support? You could those people need support. There's a parent out there and and those are the other people who need support. OK, any questions on that? Is that possibly something you might find find useful? The other thing I wanted to show was something I learned about this summer with. From this website called Badger.com. Is that something you've. Come across Andrew or I know I'm unfamiliar. Yeah, so it's it's very, very useful. And it's part of something called New World of Work. And you and this could this could be for anybody. The work that I'm involved with, along with some others who are on our session, is with youth and young adults and, you know, can be high school, college. Or again, any any age there that's not age restricted. So you could see here New World of Work that is also I guess that's the platform site and it's got some. It's a pretty incredible resource that so as you can see. It encourages people to self educate or it could be something that a person could complete and put on a LinkedIn profile or their resume. As a way of demonstrating capabilities and knowledge in different areas and organizations can also create their own badges for things that they might want their employees to know about and connecting in with the. You know, digital inclusion, if there are. Activities or action items that a person can go through to demonstrate that they are at least have. Working familiarity with cyber security or how to safely navigate the Internet or. Interpret information. And maybe the libraries have put together things like that. You can go through and you can watch like on this web link. Let me just pull this one out and post it in the chat. So if you wanted to, you can create an account on Badger.com. And if these are probably, I think it took me about 25 minutes. You watch a video and the videos are, I think within five minutes each, something like that. And then you answer these questions and if you get, I don't know, seven or eight out of 10, I think there's 10 questions. So it covers whether it's an introduction, collaboration. Ethics and innovation, I guess, in the context of digital literacy. Some. You know, fundamentals on. Social media and. Utilizing technological advances, that one. So searching for information and. And then you go down through the 10 questions to submit your form. And if you and you have a chance, if you did not get. Certain parts of it correctly, it will point you back to which video to review. You can retake it. And then if you complete it successfully, you can earn a badge. And you can do that for many, many things. So what's everybody's thoughts on that? Any yay, that's great. Wow, this is what the definitely want to try this. Anyone. Sounds good. All right. That's what I was looking for. Thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah, so and just I'm not going to spend much time on this, but the links are in here. If you don't know about these resources, they're pretty valuable and useful. This is also from Microsoft virtual workshops and trainings. And they have it categorized for students and families, business and professionals. Educators and learning institutions. And if you click on that, you can, you know, if you wanted to learn a little bit more about Power BI, Excel, LinkedIn. You can you can do that. The next one I have is which we've been thinking about if we can get enough interest of running our of code. Now, the attractive thing about our code is that they literally have something that runs for an hour. We can learn a bit about coding if you if you want to fill out your that would be digital literacy or training element within digital inclusion. And the sentiment I've heard about this is that, you know, when I was going through great school, it was reading, writing and arithmetic. And now it's reading, writing, arithmetic and coding and probably some other things. So this is a pretty cool movement and you can learn more about it. If you have an interest, power apps for kids. I think I might try this. I'm going to claim I'm a kid again and learn how to do something with power apps. So you can explore that as you like. And I put a link to a Google Drive. And if Andrew, if you tell me you've sent me something and if it's OK with you, I could add it to this TechSoup Connect for time banking organizations. Google Drive, if you click on there, you'll see that I put a training catalog from Microsoft. There's an infographic that I downloaded from the National Digital Inclusion website. You could also, of course, find it there. There was an article that or a research paper actually on the digital divide, which I was amazed that and happy to hear that there's some serious work going on to give us some suggestions. I assume I just had a looked through it briefly. I want to spend a little more time with that. But you would have access to these resources if you like. OK, so they're on there. And what I put here on this last slide and maybe I'll I'll leave this as our last discussion question and certainly happy for anyone who has a thought or comment or question. And again, want to thank Andrew for his time and and the ingenuity of finding some some space where you are able to join us. That's fantastic to have your involvement. So thank you, Andrew, for having this. Yeah, this. And like I said, I'm a member. I want to talk about the last two questions is and maybe we'll just break it down to one because I've broached this before about data. So, Andrew, I'm going to leave it to you to make the choice. Either tell us your thoughts on data. You know, data capability with within the realm of digital literacy, or if you would talk with us about what a digital navigator is that a. What is that? Is that is that a term that's used throughout the world, throughout the country? What does it mean? Yeah, I could I could hit on both. Although I'm not quite sure I understand the first question. Well, let me just clarify that. Yeah, I've been. What shall I say? Swimming in circles with a very I mean, that is a very affectionate, complementary way with especially the conference I was at last week where there are world experts in this field of precision analytics, machine learning. Some people use the term predictive analytics, data analysis, data science. And, you know, there's a joke. Some people might make of, you know, you learn the quadratic equation and was that algebra in ninth grade and ask how often have people had to use that? Actually, I had I just kind of used it with baseball of how you figure out the distance between the home plate and second base. The quadratic equation actually came in handy there. But other math that comes in handy is statistics. And it's almost like reading, writing, arithmetic, coding and statistics. Because what's so much going on in the world today with decision making and how numbers are thrown around. That's why I kind of think of I know that statistics itself existed before we had, you know, high powered smartphones and all that. But it seems like that's a skill that is in turn, you know, kind of tied in with information literacy and knowing how to sift through all of these searches we're doing and in how to like what to believe. Yeah, I think that's extremely astute, right? It is part of media literacy and therefore digital literacy. But I think having a understanding of statistical methods is only it's as useful as you need it to be. But I think there is a lot of value to being able to see through the ways in which statistics can be used to tell stories either for good or for bad. And being able to see where information is being left out when someone tells you that the statistic means whatever. Like building up that skill is something that I think is tremendously useful. And I would argue as a part of media literacy. But, you know, the deep statistics that that can be done. I don't know that everyone needs to be a statistician. I think. Well, yeah, no, I'm just like one of the things that come up. And then I'm going to ask you to close this out in digital navigator is having an appreciation for the difference between the average value and the range, because that's pretty basic, accessible stuff. And that even amongst relatively well-educated adults, I mean, there's stories about how companies have designed things for the average person. And then after some user experience. There is no average person. The average person is either taller, shorter, older, younger, heavier, lighter. And it didn't work with just understanding things as well. Let's just go with the average. So even that type of, you know, just really basic data and statistics. I'm not talking about, you know, graduate level courses or anything. But if you would please fill us in as our last question, unless others have something to add, talk to us about because we want to leave knowing what can we do if we want to advance the cause of digital inclusion? What's a digital navigator? And what are your thoughts or or examples or suggestions about what what do people throughout the country do who are devoted to the work of digital inclusion? How are they helping their communities? What can the average person do? So the digital navigator program is an initiative put on by the National Digital Inclusion Alliance and what a digital navigator is, is a trusted person in the community that any person can go to and ask either questions around how to how to do it, do a task, a digital task, or it's helping someone navigate the the labyrinth that sometimes is signing up for internet or getting maybe a low cost internet service. So for instance, Comcast has something called Internet Essentials, where if you qualify, if you have someone in your household who qualifies for for your subsidized lunch, you and Comcast exists in your in your services, your neighborhood, you can get a relatively good internet for, I believe it's $10 a month. It might be 15. I don't quite remember. So that that could be something that a digital navigator could do. But these are people who tend to be employed at a community based organization, but they of course can also be volunteers. And but the idea is to have some central location, a physical location where people can show up and that person can help them troubleshoot their digital inclusion issue. You in my screen sharing the right information, then consistent what you're talking about. And I put this link in the chat. So it sounds like a digital navigator, as you said, is a guide or a coach. You know, someone who sort of like a mentor or something like that. Uh, yeah, I mean, the the the extent of the relationship can can grow over time, and it might just be a relationship with the organization. Maybe your client trusts your organization and they don't necessarily know the person who's the digital navigator, but by proxy of being a part of that organization, there's there's some inherent trust. But the idea is to have a easy access for this sort of troubleshooting. It's there. Yeah. Is there like a checklist of knowledge and understanding that you'd like someone to have or. Like before they would offer themselves to, I don't know, the community or the members of an organization or like is there a certain. This is this is getting a bit beyond my my knowledge. I know the you can always reach out to NDIA and if you scroll down, I think there might actually be some resources, some links at the bottom about how to get there. OK, yeah, OK, how to learn more. OK. OK, oh, very good. Yeah, I see this. I mean, this is, you know, the other side of the equation. Like, but there you go. There's that skill assessment and however you do it. Paper online and infographic. Oh, I'm going to explore this a little bit more afterwards. Oh, this is very, yeah, very interested in this. And I know an organization where I don't know if they're using this term, but they're. Getting students. Involved with being, I don't know, technology resources within their schools, even to help teachers with some of the technology issues that come up during the day, I guess, with presentations or meetings or using equipment. And that's kind of like a digital navigator within the school, some schools. So. Exactly. Yeah, I think you can and you can set, I think the scope, I think the idea is to set the scope to whoever your constituents are. So if it's within a school, then that makes sense. That makes sense. And or if it's a library, then it's, you know, the patients, the library, you know, anything. All right. Well, that's definitely a high note and that's a good note to close out. I noticed that one of the people just had to leave. And I'm going to one last call is anybody have any, any final question? Andrew, did you did you have an opportunity for? Did you were you able to send me a file that I could? I I should have emailed it. I should have gone through when we were talking about it earlier, but I can send it again. OK, yeah, I yeah, I just didn't check yet. Let me let me see what I've got. In here. And oh, because I shut down my email, so I wouldn't. Yeah, so let me just and I think it came through like a PDF or something like that. OK, I see it. I see it. OK. And so I'm going to download it. All right. And I want to see if I could put it into the OK, October twenty twenty one. I want to go over to all right. So the last part here, I'm going to this is a share drive that I set up. And Liz, are you able to put the link to the share drive one more time in in the chat? And if not, I'll let's see where am I going here? And did I where did I did I put it in downloads? Where did it go? Now, I thought I put it in. Let's try it one more time. OK, so here's the file. I am going to save it into October. Oh, it is there. So how come when I looked for it right here? The file upload. Go in here and there it is. OK. All right. So it should be available to people. And I'm just going to go up to yeah, it was this one. Oh, boy, that's a can I copy that? That's what I'm trying to do. Copy the link. OK, and going to run out of time here. Where is my chat? Chat. And paste. OK. Oh, boy, just made it five o'clock. Oh, drum you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gosh, OK. Let's see, is it still five o'clock? Five oh one. OK, I think that went out to everyone. So I want to say thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Have a good evening. And I look forward to continuing to participate with DIP and J. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Jerome. Yep. Thank you. Thank you very much, Andrew. Good night, everybody. Bye bye.