 Let's start with the SDGs first. The way I look at the SDGs is their goals, signposts, things that can help countries, groups of people, societies, communities, focus. And also it's a way to put, partly from the standpoint of these developed countries or African countries, it's a way to put yourself at the center stage, to be looked at, to be evaluated, to be assessed, seeing that you do for yourself but that also people will do to you or for you somehow. So I think you have to understand what it is to establish matrix, to establish a system that set goals and targets, but you do not change through targets. The targets help you focus. And so to look at the way the whole framework can help deal with environment and poverty and these kind of things, you really have to look to understand what it means for transformational processes. How do you transform, how do you move from one state where you are some way under to something that is a system shift, it's not just reaching a target. The type of issue is facing our transformational, we're moving to a new economy. But the conditions for doing that are not necessarily there. We don't know what is going to get to it or not. So somehow you have to address a climate through a different way of generating wealth, of decoupling emissions from, you know, productive capacity and growth from emissions. So these are the basic conditions. So the SDGs can help us. Gold 8, gold 9, you know, that sort of transformation focus on countries, on the fact that you're not just eliminating poverty. You're changing the framework for producing wealth. And you have to do it in Senegal, in Cameroon, in Bangladesh, in different parts of the world. You have to change the framework. And it has to be also linked to regional transformations. You cannot, you know, just transform one country at a time. You have to shift the dynamics of markets within regions. Africa is going to be, you know, it's going to be what? One over five people in the world will be African by the middle of the century. We'll be almost twice more numerous than the Chinese today. So, you know, that's what we need to look at and the SDGs can help us. Now the environment is key to the direction you want to take. So we have to be able to move from the all-paradigm and the opposite environment and human well-being. It just doesn't make sense. You know, we define what we do with the environment and the type of future economy that we need to be biologically, you know, based on biological processes much more than before, you know, on different ways of dealing with, you know, energies. So I think this is what it is, but to be able to import those things, to integrate them into an economy, a system, you need to innovate. You need to know how to do it, to combine it. Now, that's how I see it. It's a bigger way of looking at it, but at the same time, that's what it means in everyday life. In everyday life, if you want to, you know, let's say, you know, transform African agriculture, you need to do it to fertilize it. You need to fertilize. So what kind of fertilize? You need biofertilizers. So you need to package those biofertilizers in microorganisms or, you know, you need to package them in ways where they can be scaled up and just, you know, fill the gap, which is enormous in terms of productivity for African families. Most of them are small scale. I think there are several challenges. To me, the main challenge is the mental models and the strictures of the nature of our world economy, which is extremely unbalanced. And the paradigm is, you know, it's perfect, which is good, but at a certain level, it prevents from changing. So the mental model is a way of looking at the world, looking at cooperation, you know. It's established such what? Everybody's computer. So there is a disconnect between the language of cooperation, which is the language of the development world, which is the way we discuss among ourselves, people in the development in UNDP, you know, in NGOs, in everywhere, in governments, talking about cooperation and aid. It's a language of getting together, of doing things together, of partnership, you know. But in the real world, the thing that I have a lot of influence, I think that it depends on competition, advantages, placing yourself strategy, you know, strategic thinking, you know, selfishness with guile, let's say Williamson, you know. So there is a disconnect and we're all living it. And our individual lives in government, in professions, we are kind of, you know, between the two. And it's very difficult to change. It's been there for a very long time. So how can we redistribute the way of producing, actually look at migration issues, the way they're coming out, people dying in the seas, you know. And the conflict that you're seeing, it's so obvious that people don't do the right thing, but they're scared of doing it because it changes their life. They're afraid of what's going to do to them, you know. So I think to me that's the key thing. Of course we have more concrete challenges, policies that are heavy, money, you know. You see how the money they're talking about, the climate money, you know, the climate funds or these things. There's so much money that you're talking about, but how are you going to use it? How are people who used to get a lot of money from it going to disempower themselves from getting so much in order for others to be able to invest in things that can make a difference, not just recycling, you know, getting things, you know. All stuff is new clothes. So I'm looking at these type of challenges because in human terms that's where you make a difference. That's where you can help a system change by, you know, evolving a little bit in the way you're behaving, competitive things that we have. Of course you have a lot of very concrete things that are harder, they are worse. So it's wider than that. I think also another thing that is more directly connected to my experience is that, you know, the way we need to, we can, you know, transform the big global discourse into actual things that are happening on the ground. So to do that also you need to have an understanding of policies. How do you have local policies that can not just reflect but interact with, you know, high level policies, national, regional, global, in ways that, you know, really produce new things that are different, not just incremental somehow but at some point that can help, you know, this shift that I've been talking about. Organization, the African model for its network is a pan-African network. So we're working to connect because we believe that change happens through networks, community of practice, and then emergence. And that, you know, is through practice completely. We're coming, our history is science. We're coming from, you know, background or scientific background, but fundamentally we're trying to change things through action. And the model for us is a misnomer. It's, you know, landscape scale conventions that bring people together. And that through that governance platform establish very long-term vision and objectives that people can follow through projects, you know, social businesses, value-changing development. But all based on an identity, where are we going? Are we connecting to our government's, you know, strategies, region-African strategies, what we call about grain growth, inclusive change and this kind of thing that are happening in the continent but that are not really and always transformed, implemented. So I think our focus is really to help our societies implement their vision and their objective in a way that is innovative, that is new, that is capable of inventing, bringing solution, real difference, you know. So instead of dealing with natural resources or governance, what we call the governance of meetings, we organize meetings, that's our history. But we call it governance of meetings because we don't change the world through meetings. Meetings are just a way to help you get there. So what must dominate in our view of things is how we create a new reality in the economy. We realize that the key to governance in Africa is really economic governance. It's how you establish new types of economic, you know, access of economic opportunities that can change the relationship, that create transparency, that create equity, that create, you know, all these things and instead of just discussing the rights of people to have things, you know, to have access, you need to push for the capacity to transform the environment, which is not just right-based, which is also knowledge-based, which is an ability, which is a capability. So you look at things in a very concrete way, you know, and then you relate it to strategy and theory so that it can feedback into the change process. So that's what we're trying to do. We were born about five years ago and we had demand from 20 countries. We established firmly in five countries inside Central Africa and also moving in other places and their, you know, autonomous organization spread out with platform women, very, very powerful women group, indigenous people in Central Africa, very involved and all of them linked through that platform and on board everybody's own groups are represented and also they have a program for changing the environment.