 Welcome to Longmont Voices and Vision, a project of Longmont public media. In the midst of the darkest period in our lives, when we're bombarded 24 hours a day with news of the coronavirus and the human and economic carnage it's causing in our society, we're challenged to cope with our fears and anxieties, we're remaining hopeful about what lies on the other side of this crisis. This project presents an opportunity for Longmont residents to share with others how they're adjusting to new realities of social distancing and the kind of future they hope to experience on the other side of the crisis. I'm Tim Waters, host of these conversations in a Longmont public media volunteer. In this series I'll be asking Longmont residents, many of them your friends and neighbors, three questions. What are you doing to get through this crisis? Even though we cannot be together right now, how are we staying connected to friends and families? And what's the future you are hoping to see and experience on the other side of this crisis? I hope you'll stay with this series and enjoy listening to your friends and neighbors and learn from them how they're getting through and what they're looking forward to in a new reality on the other side. Grant Gattis, thank you for your willingness to spend time with me in this interview and be a contributor to the Longmont Voices and Vision project. Each of these interviews has begun by learning a little bit about the person being interviewed, so tell us about Grant Gattis. Yeah, well I'm Grant, I'm 15 years old and I'm a freshman at Silver Creek High School. One of my favorite things to do is play soccer and also play a little bit of basketball. I like math, I like math. All right, there you go. Grant, you know that I'm going to ask you three questions and the first of these three questions really is about how you're getting through this period of time where none of us have ever experienced this. We've never had to make the kind of adjustments that we're making to where we are right now with stay-at-home orders or safe-at-home orders and quarantines and those kinds of things. So tell us how is Grant Gattis getting through this period of all these unknowns? Yeah, I'm just kind of figuring out as I go. I'm trying to do as many things as I can in a day. I have schoolwork and soccer meetings with my soccer team. I'm trying to work out a lot, baking, trying things, lots of Netflix. So I guess I'm just mainly trying to live a normal life like I did before and just trying not to focus on everything. Did I hear you say you're baking? Yes. Was baking part of normal life before? A little bit. I like cooking and baking. Cool. Yeah, it's been fun. All right. Second question in this time of physical separation and social distancing. In a time when we can't be together, we still want to stay connected with one another. How are you doing that? How are you staying connected to family and friends? Well, for my friends, one of the main ways I'm staying connected with them is just through video games. So on my Xbox, I can get in a party with them and we can get on a call and talk to each other as we play. And then also on the soccer meetings, I get to see a lot of my friends and check in with them. And then as far as family goes, we've been doing a lot of zoom meetings. The NFL draft was this last week. And so we all got in a big zoom meeting and just hung out and talked while the draft is going on, which was fun. All right. You know, my third question is the underlying presumption is that whatever was normal for us before we experienced this pandemic, the new normal is going to be different. Life will be quite the same. We just don't know what it's going to be like. We don't know what the new normal is going to be. Right now, the question is what would you like it to be? What would you what's your preferred future? What would you like to see? And what are you willing to help create on the other side of this pandemic? Well, this quarantine for me has been pretty low stress. It's been pretty slow. I know for a lot of people it's been stressful and hectic. But at least for me, it's it's been pretty nice to be able to relax. And so I would want the new normal to be, I don't know, probably just like a slower pace of life just to be able to enjoy it more. And yeah, I mean, I know for a lot of people it's not been that way this quarantine. But some of the aspects have definitely taken away a lot of my stressors, which has been a big, a big thing in my life. And I mean, that's just been nice. So the aspiration is for a little different pace as we move into the future. Yeah, that's a that's part of a future I think we could all resonate with and move forward. Grant, thanks again for taking some time this morning to spend with me and your contribution to this project. Stay safe, take care of yourself and be part of that family unit that takes care of one another. Thank you. Talk to you later. Karen McCormick. Thank you for your contributions to this long month voices and vision project. And your many other contributions to this community and society in general and I hope you'll share some of those when I ask you to talk a little bit about yourself which I'm going to do right now. Tell us who Karen McCormick is what you do. Thank you, Tim. I really appreciate being part of this project and look forward to listening to many of the others that you have interviewed. So I have lived in Longmont for 25 years in the same house in the same neighborhood. I grew up. I was actually born into a service family so I was born on a US Naval Air Station where my dad was a fighter pilot in Maryland and then proceeded to be a Navy brat, moving all over the country throughout school. My dad was serving a total of 30 years in the Navy and so that really has framed a big part of who I am and how I see my country and my community and kind of my civic responsibility to others. It kind of comes from that I really do think it's in my DNA. I went on to go into a service profession so I went to veterinary school and became a small animal veterinarian and practice that field for 33 years with about half of that time running my own small business here in Boulder County with a practice that grew from a doctor practice to five doctors 25 employees. It was a, I never intended to be a business owner. Actually, it just kind of evolved into that I was perfectly content to be an employee for about half of my, my veterinary career until I saw that there were better ways to do things that my employees were, my employers were doing. One thing led to another and my really good friend, best friend and I bought a practice and grew it and it was an amazing experience and I loved it and I loved serving my community and I actually just love solving problems and so medicine was a perfect field for me to be in to do that to serve my public and to fix things I think I got that from my dad as well he was a mechanical engineer and he just fixed everything in our house and so being here in Longmont all that time we my husband and I raised three kids right here and they all went to public school in the St. Rain Valley school system and that was a wonderful experience. You know I talk about veterinary medicine but being a mom is actually the most fulfilling thing I've ever done the best job anyone can ever had have and it's a, it's a learn on the job training you know it's on the job training you're not necessarily prepared for but being a lifelong learner I was always the one that would go find out how how do I do this with my kids or how do I address this issue. And that's how I face pretty much everything if I don't know I'm willing to say I don't know and go find out and so after my veterinary career we had an election here in 2016 nationwide that really knocked me off my feet and created kind of a new sense of purpose in me to serve my community in a new way and I made the crazy insane decision to run for Congress from from never having run for anything never having held any kind of public office from city council to the school board you know I just went big and looking back it seems it does seem kind of crazy but I was so driven to get a better voice for the people of our district here in Colorado the fourth congressional and I didn't feel like our representative was was doing his job at all because I feel that the job of a representative is to listen first and then to help the people of your community and I don't think he was doing either one of those things so that was my last my most recent experience and I got to know a lot of people that I didn't know in long run. I spent these 25 years raising kids and running a business and kind of just in my zone of doing what you do when you're kind of in your working years. And so the last few years has allowed me to meet a lot of people in my community and across the state that I never would have met I never would have learned the things I learned if I hadn't done that. So I'm really glad I did and then after that experience. I just kind of reflected back on it and saw that there was another opportunity on the horizon and that is to be a state representative at the state assembly. Because our present representative is term limited and this actually feels like a much better fit for me to run for this office and to know that I have community support that I had built. So I'm excited about this race and this opportunity. And that kind of brings us to today and now that we've all been thrown this huge a challenge actually dealing with this global pandemic and how do we navigate ourselves through it. There's just every single person on the planet has been affected by this and in multitude of ways so it's it's really interesting to continue to read and hear about what's what's happening out there. Well here I am. There we go. We've all this first time in any of our lives that we've globally everyone is experiencing the same thing at the same time. I mean it just has never happened quite this way. Right. You learn a lot from others. Now we want to learn a little bit from you. You know I'm going to ask three questions and the first of those given given what this means in terms of unknowns and uncertainties and the the challenges to get through this. How are you getting yourself through this unique period in history. Well, I mentioned that I have three kids and month, five weeks ago, all three of them were in Manhattan. So New York is kind of the epicenter of our US pandemic. And I as a mom was getting super anxious about having them in that city. And at the time they were continuing to work they all had jobs and little by little. Some of the people started working remotely one daughter. Her job went remote. The other one was working in a coffee shop. The other for the teachers union attorneys for a teacher union downtown near Wall Street. And I was talking to them regularly and hearing the anxiety that they were facing. And so that was my biggest focus for a while is to get them out of there, because we had the ability to do so. They already had a car one of my kids had a car there and so we just worked hard to make that happen. They drove home, you know, two long days I found them a hotel room in Illinois and got them home and so to have been able to continue their jobs remotely. They lost their job because the coffee shop has closed and they are in the artistic community as well so all the arts and music and all of that is just shut down so that kid is really just here existing. It was a big hurdle for me personally to get over and to get them here where I knew that I could see them and they were under a quarantine inside our house for two weeks before I could even hug them, which was a big deal. So the day they were able to take off their masks and be on the same living space that Greg and I are on was huge for me. It was really an introvert introvert this this whole experience is not that hard on me personally, as far as my spiritual self my inner being, I find that it's a great. It's almost a gift of time to be able to reflect on on, we, you know, we talked about how the whole world every single person in the world is affected by this. But the only thing or the first thing I, I go immediately to our earth and our climate and our atmosphere and our all the air that we're all breathing. We're all affected by that. That also has no boundaries and no borders and so it, it, it allows me to think, even though we're all separated and isolated. We're all in this together and how else are we all in something together so, and on a daily basis we just kind of have our routine where we walk more, I read more train this puppy. We make lists for the grocery store and I send Greg to the grocery store with a list and he comes home with whatever they have. That's interesting and new. And we are just trying to get to know each other again as a family unit with three adult kids in the house. And it's where I'm eating way too much because you're home and you just go open the refrigerator and look at it and close it. I'm getting through and I really appreciate I'm learning all about zoom and how, you know, how exhausting that can be sometimes too. So, I know we're going to get through this I do see the end. Just don't know exactly when it is so I'm appreciating the process actually I'm not frustrated with it. You have your your daughters there with you. So, being connected to your your immediate family nuclear family is not so challenging but be connected to friends and and given your aspirations and life, connecting with a lot of folks is is a need. So how are you staying connected to those members of your family who are not in your home I know your mother is is close by. So friends and the others who with whom you on a network. What's the how you doing in this time of separation. Yeah, so there are more phone calls happening just good old fashioned phone calls with my two brothers who don't connect very well one lives in golden and one is on the east coast in Annapolis. I actually spoken with them more than I usually do which is kind of nice. My mom, I'm being, I'm being the mom to my mom. And we are getting her groceries for her and delivering them to her doorstep I ring the doorbell and I step back 10 feet, I have not been in my mom's house for six weeks. Six weeks ago, we went out to lunch together to Pinocchio's and this is the last time I was ever that close to her. She's 87, I absolutely do not want her to get this virus. So I told her you're going to live in your house till we have a vaccine. And she goes to her mailbox and she walks around the block, and she's learned how to use zoom. So that's pretty amazing. The having zoom and other technologies like that has been great we have our weekly rotary meeting where 90 people get on there. And that's kind of fun and my local gym has gone to doing their workouts on zoom so you can see everybody here here everybody did that this morning. And in some ways, it's more convenient, because you don't have to drive across town, you get the same so it's kind of interesting that you can get things done, almost more efficiently I do miss, though the reason I said it's kind of exhausting I think because of the type of person I am I miss being with people and drawing that kind of social interaction from being in the same room with people. And so this type of technology is is a nice substitute, but it doesn't fulfill that need to actually be with people. I think, in fact, I was talking to one of my kids that we miss out on some of the body language that we read subconsciously from others when we're with them we are focused on a different air, you know, we're like, looking at a screen. And we, you know, see ourselves over there in the corner, that's distracting. So there's a whole other level of communication that's happening that we're not used to and I think that's the part that's kind of tiring for me, but I like good old fashioned phone calls. So, so we're doing that. In these interviews, people have made the observation that this device that's been used for so many things except phone calls, now is being used for phone calls, right? We use it for everything else but calls. Now we usually get, you know, to talk to one another. So, you know, my third question is really a future focused question. Based on the presumption that whatever the new normal becomes life's going to be different, unlike what it was, we're going to see something that we don't know what it is, something new. So, what for you would be a preferred future? Assume there's going to be a new normal. What is the preferred future that you'd like to see and help create? Yes, and I like when you said, we don't know what it's going to be. Isn't that a great opportunity? You don't know what it's going to be. It's like, here's our chance. Here's our chance to dream big. And I believe truly that the first step to manifesting something is to visualize it. And this is why it's important for me to go, I want to go listen to what everybody else had to say. You know, what if we had a world where we all truly cared about each other? And our Earth, truly cared about our Earth and we all, what if we had a world where there was clean air and clean water and enough food for everybody? And what if we had a world where everyone had a safe place to sleep and everyone had access to a good education, no matter where they live. So I think about these big things and we had the ability for everybody to have their healthcare needs met and they weren't holding back because they couldn't get somewhere or couldn't afford it. And if every, I think of my kids, if every young person could reach their full potential, no matter where they're starting and if we use our dialogue and our connectedness with other humans to address conflict and to solve problems. So I think of those types of things like this is the world I want and I don't think any of these things are, I think almost every single person could agree with every single one of those things, that how do we do it? And how do we dream big and take the steps towards that vision? And I want to be part of that. And I want to do it right here in Colorado to start. And my big focus is on our Earth. I think it is the umbrella that everything else falls under. And it's our responsibility right now. We can do it right now. We have the answers. Let's do it. That is a future worth aspiring for and moving toward. So thanks for sharing your aspirations. Thanks for all you do in this community and thanks for your contribution to this project. Be safe, take care of yourself and your beautiful family. Thank you. Kimberly Braun. Thank you for your willingness to contribute to the Lamont Voices and Vision project. Thank you as well for the many other contributions you make to the community. So each of these interviews starts with learning something about the person being interviewed. So tell us about you, who you are, what you do, and then we'll pick up questions after that. Thanks so much, Tim, for having me. I feel blessed to be with you. And I am the Director of Development at Hope Homeless Outreach and Providing Encouragement. I stepped on full time as the director the very day that COVID hit. And what's very interesting about that, I don't think there are coincidences, is that long range, I'm actually a minister, a speaker. I've traveled the world teaching and helping humanity realize their inner gifts and their potential and develop their spirituality. And I had been longing to be part of my local community more. And I have a lot of success on being a providential part of wonderful projects that built up community in the past. And it was no, it was no surprise when this opportunity came across my path completely pre COVID. And it was the right way to step in. So I feel incredibly fortunate to go from a global way of being of service to a very local way. Like if conditions make the person or make the opportunity, you are the right person at the right time for this opportunity. Kimberly, you know, I'm going to ask you three questions. And the first question is this. We're at a point in time where none of us have appeared in history that none of us have ever experienced. There's probably been times in human history where people were as separated as we are now but but nothing in our lifetimes. And there's all the unknowns and the anxieties that go along with what we're dealing with with this pandemic. Everybody has to figure out how to get through it. So how are you getting yourself through this period of time. Yeah, thank you. So my life ever since I was five has been impelled from a really strong experience of spirit. And with that, I have assented to life here being all about being and becoming in God, if you will. So at this time in my life now that I'm older, I'm more in a place of finding within myself, a piece and an equanimity that is natural and effortless, and that I get to place at the service of those around me. One of the ways that I'm doing to get through it is to allow the gifts and the skillfulness that I've been fortunate to develop be at the service actively, whether it's the way I might look at somebody if we're passing each other six feet apart, whether it's in my role at Hope, whether it's through a workshop that I get to teach. And there's always a reciprocity that what we give we receive. So I feel that my own, my own sense of certainty that we're coming through it and clear vision is amplified by the way I'm of service to help others find peace and stability. Well, as you work yourself through this, we're also physically separated from one another, socially distanced from one another, in a time where we can't be together physically, we still need to stay connected with one another. So how are you doing that how you stay connected to family and friends. It's a great one because by the way, Tim, I am a hugger. I am so touchy feeling is really hard. Well, I practice a lot of contemplative practice. And so it's very easy for me to be in the presence of those I love even if physically I can't go over to their home so I'm blessed and I practice that actively. That being said, and I was a Carmelite nun for many years so living in a monastery I think has is serving me well right now. In addition to that probably like many have already said, I am using a lot of zoom. I did dance parties, birthday parties, dinner parties, happy hours. I just moved into a new home, and my way of sharing it is to FaceTime or what's up with people and walk them through my home, like get a glass of champagne, and then I walk them through my home. So, a lot of the online technology is serving me really well. Certainly things that we've heard through many of these interviews that the technology today's technologies help at least overcome some of the distance that we're experiencing. Yes, we also know that my third question is is based on the presumption that there will be an end to this that will come out of the stay at home orders and the safe at home orders and in all of the separation works we're experiencing. And we'll settle into some kind of new normal. The presumption is that whatever life is, whatever the new normal is life is going to be different than it was before the pandemic. So with that thought in mind, my question for you is, what would you like to see in that new normal what's your preferred future that you both like to see and help create on the other side of this pandemic. I love that I would love for there to be a pervading simplicity in all layers of society, a simplicity that has allowed what is irrelevant to fall away. I work with so many people who have said they're running the rat race or they're on the whatever the wheel is that goes around and around, and or they suffer anxiety or depression or worry. And here is a chance. I would never minimize the hardship that is that's happening and could happen in the future. Looking on the positive side, there is a chance for there to be a reset button, and to let fall away the real irrelevant things when it comes to our occupations our relationships, what we consider it to be a successful life. And in that is a resulting simplicity so on an interpersonal level, I would like to see that a coming together in community with a clarity of why we're alive, and that we're alive. And then on a socio economic level, I would love to see a principle that I learned in seminary put into place. And theologically speaking, if, if we're living up our to our potential in humanity. There's in an ethical principle called the principle of subsidiarity, and that principle says that all the power is kept in the lowest hands possible for like I don't like hierarchies but for lack of a better phrase, which means that society itself could be reorganized so that it's not so trickle down. And there are not small numbers of people making all the decisions for the larger people, but rather we have the larger bodies experience wisdom and opinions being valued to create the community that we live in and with the take up on all levels. There is a chance that we could step into living that principle out which is honors the dignity of each human being more effectively. Kimberly, if there's ever a moment in anyone's history, or that opportunities out there, I think it's now. So thank you for sharing your preferred future. Thanks for your contribution to the voices and vision project. And more importantly, thanks for the day to day, day in and day out night in and night out. Contribution you're making to Longmont and some of our most vulnerable residents. Thank you. Take care of yourselves stay safe and healthy and when we can come out from the same homeowners. Maybe we'll see each other and we can give one another hug. I will look forward to that. Take care of yourself. Tom and Marion Stumpf. Thank you so much for your willingness to contribute to the Longmont voices and vision project. We appreciate your contributions to this and your many other contributions to this community so tell us a little bit about all these interviews have started with learning about the interviewee so tell us about you, who you are and and what your life has been a long month. And then we'll get into these questions that I'm going to ask. Okay, well, we were fortunate enough to come to Longmont in 1984. I accepted the accept the Principalship of Niawad High School. And I was there for a number of years and then transferred over to Skyline High School and was there for 20 years. And right before I retired. Dr. Haddad said, Hey, how would you like to get me high school started and bring it all into existence after all the building is up and I said, Yeah, that sounds great. I'll do that so I've had 25 years of working in secondary high school education here in the district and I must say it's been a great journey I retired in 2009 and have enjoyed retirement very much so we moved here as Tom said 1984 with a three, a five, a seven year old and they have now thrown to very successful adults who have successful careers and during that time. I played a role of mother. I was on several boards here. I was on the board of directors for the original Boulder County Hospice. Then I got a brainstorm to go back to school and start the third career I was an educator and a social worker, and I went back and got a doctorate in nursing. And then I spent that career probably 15 plus years working with underserved elderly in the Denver area. So it's been a wonderful ride here we love this community we don't have plans to leave it. And it's, we have been very successful and very happy. Well, thanks for all those. We, as a career educator, we all know who our first responders are right. That's right. Mom's dad's and teachers and principal so. Right. Yeah. Well, the first of my three questions is this. We're in a period of time where that none of us have ever experienced. There's a lot of unknowns and uncertainties that we're living with right now so given those the unknowns. How are you getting yourselves through this period of uncertainty and it's such an extraordinary moment. Well, I think one of the things that suddenly struck me was, and because we're retired that this is the time when you begin to think about what projects you haven't done. I began to make a list. It's always been in my head, but I actually wrote it down. It isn't a bucket list. Not true. I get it. Some of the relating to both of us, but it's a time when it's like, you know, we won't run out of time at some point. And it's a time to sort of take. You know, you know, you have to sort of think about it and do it and sort of check it off. My husband's a great list maker, but I actually made a list and I have crossed up a few of those things. So it's a time to, I think, reflect to get some projects done. I've been putting off for a long time. I'm an avid reader. So I do a lot of reading. We watch very little TV. We're both gourmet cooks. We love to cook. So it's a good time to begin to cook some of those thousands of recipes that you haven't had a chance to do. And actually share them some of the things with some friends and baked goods that I've made. And I told them they're all sanitized so they don't have to worry. So that's pretty much what I have thought about doing or what's pulling me through this time and staying connected to friends, which I have done always, but again, on a more intense level. Okay, I certainly reflect that. And I understand the Honeydew list very definitely. Anyway, I find the time kind of peaceful, in a way, because it's less frenetic. You're not running around doing things that you have something to do. You have some responsibility for even in retirement. And like Marion said, we like to cook. We like to share our goodies, that sort of thing. So that's always been, has been a diversion during this time. But it's a it's a time for introspection, I think, and kind of figure out where you've been with your life and where you want to go with what lies ahead. I kind of like to call it a hyper retirement, this period of time. So since it is retirement. I not only like to do reading, but I enjoy an occasional afternoon now. I've had way more naffs been taking these days than ever. So you're right. The physical separation in social distancing has created an environment where we don't get to connect with people, the ones we love and the ones we would spend time with as friends and neighbors, like we have historically or what we're accustomed to. But it doesn't mean that we don't want to stay connected. So with those kids you were talking about having raised and and your extended family, and your and your friends, how you stay in connected as we go through this time of social distancing and physical isolation. Well, I have always done this is not just in this time I've always been a great letter writer, I believe it's a lost art. And I have made a conscious effort to maybe be more conscious of that and send an occasional note to somebody that might not get mail that day. And that I think has been very important to me. I also we have connected with our children, two of them are in the Pacific Northwest. So we have connected the race time and zoom And our grandchildren, because they're home from school, they're four and eight, they have figured out how to connect with us, kind of on their own. So we frequently will get a call, especially from my eight year old granddaughter, who wants to chat for about an hour. So, she's become very creative on an instant message kids, I think it is. And she's had a lot of fun with talking to Papa and Grandma Marion, and it's been delightful to see those kids and to have the chance to do that so that so and phone calls have been really important to even not just pictures talking on Facebook with phone calls. Yeah, Marion's really good about phone calls and keeping in touch with people a lot better than I am. But I figure she's my better half anyway, so she can take care of those obligations or responsibilities. But you're right about, she's right about the connectivity that we have since we've got all this technology and Our grandkids really have taught us a lot about what how to how to deal with like the video chats and FaceTime and all of that. And I find that very refreshing during the day to be able to hook up with the grandkids and eight year old granddaughter and a four year old grandson soon to be five. So, they're a lot of fun and they're lively and that's basically how I stay in touch, mostly through Marion. Well, you know, the third question I'm asking you is really a future focused question. And it's, it's, it's based on this presumption that whatever was normal before the pandemic, there'll be a new normal when we don't know what it's going to be. But but life won't be the same as it was just exactly before the pandemic. So the question for you is, what would you like to see in that in that new normal but your preferred future that you'd like to move toward and help create. I think that for me, I've always been very sensitive, probably because the nursing, the educator, the social worker. I've been very sensitive to people's needs. And I am hoping that because we have had time to focus and be aware of how important it is to be sensitive to other people's needs. And I think we take a lot of that for granted. I remember hearing a reading on the Longmont website of some woman who said she was walking and was saying hello to her neighbor and she did at least 10 feet away. And the neighbor didn't respond and kind of looked at her scowling. And I think we need to be really sensitive to the needs of others and I'm hoping that we will become more aware of that. I also am very hopeful that there will be a political change, because I think right now we are in a very serious political crisis. And I'm hoping that that will be something we can look forward to and sort of just redo our whole persona as a nation as a community as an individual people. And it's always very articulate as you can tell. Anyway, I guess I, I feel very strongly Tim and you may have experienced a little bit of this at City Council meetings when I made presentations during the public forum but I feel very strongly that the earth doesn't belong to us. We belong to the earth. And what we're experiencing right now, this pandemic of COVID-19 is really a microcosm of what lies ahead. I think it's kind of like a prologue to that existential threat that Stephen Hawking was talking about in 2016, when he said this is the climate change is the most existential threat to human species ever. And that was only four years ago. And I think that just as the COVID-19 is impacting the human species, so too, in a more profound way, will climate change be impacting us? Sure, it's kind of in the distant future and it probably won't impact us, but it's nonetheless as profound and as severe. And so what I'm hoping for and what I'm have been working toward in a very maybe insignificant way is trying to increase an awareness of the devastation that our common home is going to be experiencing down the road. And if we don't get to 2030 without reducing emissions, and it's very interesting because how the air has already changed because of the lack of traffic just make it real simple. Unless we get there, we're going to suffer with all those emissions and VOCs and all that stuff in the atmosphere. We're experiencing that. And I'm firmly convinced that we need to take that as serious, if not more seriously than we do COVID-19. It sounds to me, Tom, like the preferred future is that this is a wake-up call that we start paying attention to what awaits us if we're not paying attention. That's right. It sounds a lot better than I did. No, I'm not. Listen, this is your story, not mine. And I appreciate your, and Marianne, it sounds to me like hanging together, right? Being connected to one another as we go forward has to be part of that as well. People, it's wonderful seeing families walking out to you while they're walking their dogs, and I'm hoping that that continues. I think there are a lot of people that maybe went out to eat four times a week when they realize, well, maybe we don't need to go out to eat four times a week. Maybe we can cook at home and enjoy each other and sit around the table and have a meal. So I'm hoping, again, that that will be more center focused on our own families and how we can care for one another. You know, I've heard in these interviews that some people have commented on gaining weight because they have more proximity to the refrigerator, but dogs are losing weight because they're being walked up a lot more. They're kind of hoping we get back to where I walk so much today. Thank you both for your contributions to this project, for your contributions to the community. Take care of yourselves, stay safe, and take care of your family. Well, that's reciprocal, Tim. You've done a great job bringing this all together and I salute you for that. That's quite a commitment. All right. Well, when we're able to reemerge from our stay at home or safer home orders, our Passable Cross, and he had all kinds of settings, and we'll keep learning our way forward together. Thank you very much. Thanks, Sam. Have a great day. You too.