 usual heavy lifting here and call the subcommittee to order this meeting is being reported and or transcribed Nellie could start the recording okay and in terms of attendance what we have you know like this minute we have Julie here okay it must be Nellie I can I only have a partial picture there angry Jonas here and I'm here and myself okay well it's a it's a it's a big today but there are a lot of slides are introductory slides or sort of wrap up reference kind of slides for you but Danica if you want to walk through the the your train of thought here and but first let me let me just say we have any public comments that we need to reference I know there's one in the in the slide deck so maybe we'll deal with the substance of it when we get there absolutely or now whichever you prefer all right well I guess it's a part of our routine here to great that's that at the beginning sure we'll go ahead and jump to public comments because they're we can't approve any minutes of course without a forum which we don't currently have but what I wanted to do was share public comments that we received via Tim Wessel where a gentleman read about him being on the Public Health Committee and wanted to share his concerns with packaging and labeling which he did and provided some a package of chocolate that I don't have an exact size on but but based on the font size I would say it's a rather large package because you can read the font on there but he expressed concerns that a child might mistake this for candy or chocolate and so that's important he said symbology is important but so is the overall graphic design of the words and graphics and he asked that you know we take a look at this and consider it you said the word cannabis infused are very small and sideways while the very attractive milk chocolate drops is big and bold back of the town of small print and a few symbols but nothing that can compete for a child's attention he said he didn't know how to address the problem but that is most definitely something for us to consider and talk about other than by requiring the package warning to be bigger than anything else is the story issue and he wishes as well so I would say again based on the fact that I can see the font size here and can read things it's definitely a larger package than some of the examples that you are going to see throughout and as I mentioned to everyone on the call today I have set you this in PDF format is it easier for you to pull it up on your own screen and look at it in that capacity before we move on Julie do we have any members of the public with us today yes we have six members of the public and one number of their two members of the local press okay fantastic thank you so much so from there we will go in and remind everyone that you may submit public comments via the CCB website and this is how you do it on the public input form and we will move forward so this has changed our key requirements we're moving into packaging of labeling rules and guidelines now there are many more things besides the bigger cannibal dates and shelf life and warning labels that you'll be able to know today that we can certainly move into that and what was important to us because we have been working so much on advertising and I'm not going to go through all of these but what was important is that Act 164 is very clear on some key items that will help us in labeling the first being that not no cannabis product and this is for she must be yeah I'm here can anybody hear me now I was worried about a technical challenge this morning yeah yeah we can hear you now but we didn't hear your previous paragraph so that it's labeled in a manner that states the number of serving and measured in servings of a maximum of five milligrams for serving manufactured with the date that the product is manufactured the product is used by the ingredients the information on the length of time it typically takes for product to take effect and appropriate warnings developed by the board in consultation with the Department of Health requires that we have a clearly identifiable standard symbol adopted as well by the board and then of course cannabis testing which would be done and then requirements for an opaque child-resistant packaging a couple of other things that are important to note that if they sell hemp or hemp products that they are clearly labeled as such and separately from cannabis and cannabis products and again in rules requirements of child-resistant opaque packaging at the point of sale and then in rule making it it states this again so I'll move these slides to the back for Thursday and we'll have a quick list and I think that will help because we do have Dr. Levine here I'm going to go back to the beginning Mark if you would like to if there's any additional business we need to do or we can do this on Thursday sure well we do have the September 13 meeting minutes to approve and if you had a chance to look at them and can have a motion to approve that would be excellent yeah sorry I'm late and I can make that motion I can second thank you all in favor okay then that then the minutes of the 16th 30 the 13th oh we just approved the minutes of the 13th and we did not see there were no there were no minutes because there was no quorum right and we have minutes from we are in preparation there are minutes from last Thursday and we will send those around for your review before we move forward Julie and and the ccb is there anything you'd like to say before we get into packaging and labeling for the subcommittee yeah I just wanted to to call everyone's attention to the meeting that's on Wednesday our advisory committee meeting and if there are things today that this group can get you know 75 or 80 percent comfortable with so that we can get some feedback from that larger advisory committee group on Wednesday I think that would be great you know I see this as sort of a looping or cyclical process versus a linear process meaning that once you all have you know a thought about something that you're you're fairly comfortable with you know we have the opportunity to send it to Dr. Levine's office which he's offered and then also to our advisory committee and then the ccb will discuss it as well so if there are some things that we can get some signaling on that you've got 75% to 80% comfortable with today so that we can talk about them on Wednesday with the larger group that would be great thank you okay I'm going to move over Dr. Levine in the deck which you should have in your email I won't go through the public comment again but we did receive one and I believe you've seen this on or you have received it from Tim Wessel so I did want to put that out there we did just talk about that and I'm going to move past and we'll go into package examples and we have a three-state opportunity to look at different packages in here so I'm going to talk about real quick the common types of cannabis packaging glass jars and bottles receivable containers silicone jars tin containers plastic vials mylar bags fake cartridges and then a free roll or or free roll for upline we do have examples of a good portion of these with the exception of concentrate so we can talk about that as we go through on packaging so we from from the NACB packaging and labeling guideline we put out some requirements which also go back in and for the most part match what's in 164 we'll ensure that that is that those two match it up just to be safe but again child-resistant certificate certification of child resistive packaging or if which it is required so we that we can move on from there and the edibles and and what we all know 5 milligrams per piece 50 milligrams in total that is also in the statute so we'll give a recap of that exit packages have at least building again it is particularly important for miners the packaging labels that layers I'm sorry that they comply with whatever the CCP final cannabis promotion guidelines for advertising marketing branding and logos are the product ID the warning symbol the warning statements then also to ensure that there are no prohibitions on any of the packaging false or misleading information child appeal prevention and health and medical and disease claims and again we are speaking about recreation standards here the product facts which would include the ingredients how when and where it was made allergen warnings edibles the service by the PhD content flower as well product instructions and tamper evidence packaging I will go back and know that I will add the date of manufacture and the date goodbye to the product back piece to ensure that it is captured you know this is something that we've discussed a couple of times in recent meetings that you will have and we do have a this the same information and a checklist that can be used by a PCB staff to to review Patrick review packaging standards as well as it could be used by cannabis operators to review their own compliance with the rules this is a California cannabis infused packet of edibles they are also five milligrams of PhDs per piece and this package is really two servings what I did was break this down to the anatomy of a package to show where the warning is and the instruction and of the three states that we have they are the one state that definitely has instructions on how to use the product and then also how long to wait so they do have that they have an ingredient list they have a nutritional fact manufacturer date package date expiration date and then of course a secondary warning they have a secondary they have two symbols action one on the front for cannabis and one on the back for cancer and reproductive harm and of course California's proposition 65 warnings that are pretty much so on every single product that is in California period regardless of what it is so are there any questions on this before I move next so so I see where you are in the deck but am I supposed to be seeing something on a shared screen as well or because I'm not seeing anything except you yeah yes you should but that is page 16 which is why I sent this out to make sure the teams has been a slight bit glitchy in the last few days I had a similar last night so we are on page 16 dr. I'll make sure to note each page as we go through fantastic any questions or comments on the California label for this particular package go ahead eager no okay one thing I will note about this to the naked eye visibility this does not also appear to be a resealable package this particular one I can't see a bump at the top and I don't have an indication of how large it is but I will say that it's more than likely is a three to four inch range just comparing it to others okay Dr. Leninger going to page 17 so this is a field box that this particular one contained a glass jar of cannabis flour and why this is important in here is this could also be used for concentrate because of the size of the vial or to be the jar that it might go in so it's a cube which gives the opportunity to post warnings and you can see that this has you know very much the same stuff that was on the last page with the exception of I don't know if there were instructions but again this is this is flour any questions on this do you guys have one thing to point out which is the brand name here Durbin poison you know is that raising anybody's antenna I'm not sure whether that's any of our business but maybe this I wouldn't want to buy anything like that I think what is being said here I think is incredibly impactful to the development of the promotional guidelines for advertising branding marketing and logos because I think that is an important element you you know basically state what shouldn't be there so that is something for us all to consider I'm going to move to slide 18 and on 18 is it peculiar to just California that they have that cancer and reproductive warning it is proposition 65 is a California warning I'll give you a quick example they have those warnings up in hotel lobby it basically also states that this that whatever this is has been known by the state of California to cause cancer we could I could send you a copy of proposition 65 but it's pretty much so everywhere you go in California you will see it and you'll see it in environments on packages everywhere so it is it is a California nothing in Vermont legislation that has anything close to that right it does not mean that we cannot investigate that Julie do you have any insights as it relates to I don't but I'm happy to check I'm only I'm only thinking about these are things we in the health department obviously would endorse when they are scientifically valid and true but I want to respect what's within the legislation what's without but knowing how our teams view the world if we're talking about a warning label and there's some valid warning to be had not just warning we want to make sure we were calling attention to the future ingrate anything you'd like to add or okay so I'm going to move to slide 18 Dr. was in this is a glass jar of cannabis flower and it feels by the label this is of course free package just so everyone knows and while not to take us down a rabbit hole but just one thing to notice on the second photo is that that UPC there will aid in track and trace an inventory so I did just put a note over that but it's very clear what it is I don't subjectively all packages are subjective it tells you everything that you need to know about the package definitely doesn't seem to be something that would appear to kids in any capacity and it's very straightforward what I understand about this package to is it has a pill bottle style top that does require a push down in order to open questions or comments or may I move on okay fantastic we're on slide 19 this is also a glass jar of cannabis flower and what is important on this particular jar is something that has been brought up is that there is a QR code on here so if you scan the QR code or I was able to scan it with my own phone and it pulled up a website page just for this product the ones that pulled that up it told me a lot more about the product and in a more readable visual the reality is it's just an additional way of providing this information to the consumer in addition to what would be on the actual package itself so kind of that it says legacy strings ice cream cake I'm just curious what that that's the best way I can I can compare this is that's the name that was given to it by the cultivator ice cream strain I've seen Oreo with a z on the end I've seen a few I've seen mimosa they have some very interesting names so I think that is something that you know definitely would have to be taken into consideration for the guideline pieces if you so choose to the recommendation I'm gonna move to Illinois so we do have a little more contact here for size in Illinois and I think that may be helpful to everyone that this was just over seven inches before being opened their anatomy as well they do have a warning label on there this one was a little easier to read than some of the California stuff based on size but one of the things that was was duly noted is there were no serving or suggestions or instructions and no warning symbol and all of those are in your statute so they will need to be added and on there one of the things that I do think is important to note here is that this is the only package I thought like this that said this is a cannabis-infused product and not a food in a small font right above the the secondary statement that said this product was produced in a cannabis cultivation center not subject to public health inspection that may also process common food allergens so in the state of Illinois they are not they're made in cannabis cultivation they don't consider them a food so they don't put them under the same rules that is one thing that will be a part of this subcommittee is coming to public health oversight of edibles so that everyone is aware are there any thoughts on this package or you know considerations so let me just make sure I have a straight it's called a rice marshmallow tree and then somewhere in the font it said this is not a food and yes that's exactly correct was a resealable package but definitely definitely worth worth a look one additional item okay I'm sorry to say something I'll share an additional warning statement that I have seen you know in Illinois as well and a couple of other areas so if there's no additional comments I'll move to the next slide there is absolutely and when we get to warning symbols dr. Levine which will be today I'll show you we mocked up what it would look like if we put the warnings on the front of the package the warning symbols struck by how much room there is that particular product others of course everything is crammed in this one I do believe the size of the product is going to matter the size of the packaging again this this was probably seven and a half inches as you can see is the scale and that does help tremendously because it gives you more opportunity to put on the package what is needed and for everyone in the room what's important about this also is this package was not visible until it was purchased from a he-op and so it wasn't something that you could have just seen your yourself until you actually said I want to buy that all the products were behind the counter so I'm going to move on this package is six inches as well it's a plain white package with the product being labeled on the front and then the items on the back what I really liked about this particular package was it had a second warning label and that said the product contains cannabis and intoxication following use may be delayed by two or more hours so it at least it it does indicate that in a separate area but it is small to read it also says it was producing a facility that cultivates cannabis and may also process common food allergen so there was a little bit of inconsistency between the first package and the second package again no servings noted no instructions and no warning symbols the other thing that is important here I didn't know how many pieces were even in a package any thoughts curious use of the word intoxication is that the goal of the product or is that the unwanted effect of the product because obviously people use cannabis to achieve many goals in some are a frame of mind but they probably don't look at it as you know somebody was drinking a glass of wine that gives them a pleasant feeling but they don't consider themselves intoxicated from the one glass of wine generally so that's just weird to me I don't know I'm having trouble understanding what their intent is with work especially I think it's especially curious in that so many cannabis advocates I've run into really resist the idea that there's intoxication going on in cannabis right wouldn't think it would be the stated goal of the product so that in that sense it might be a warning but boy it's challenging the law may require it the opportunity though as your committee to help you see what you might not want which is why this is I think this is a good exercise I hope that you're both finding it that way as well just to see what others are doing very good so I will tell you this is a package that was recently purchased and just to get into the package was incredibly difficult resealing the package was not difficult but opening the package again what so interesting thing I will note here is that they tell you exactly how to open it and then how to reseal it so Illinois does allow 100 milligrams of THC but just to let everyone know and then I'm going to move to another package from Illinois this was not box this was it the one thing I would say about this is it resembled in my opinion a skin care cream or could be any other type of fab until you read the Sour Cetique of Gummies on there so but what what thought was important to share was what the product looked like in terms of colors inside so it's subjectively I found it contradictory in a way but I wanted to showcase this this also had a push down pill type top on it silver description top in order to open it the warning was billageable and not just because it was small the print job was difficult to read it was a little bit blurry so I just wanted to share these pieces again they allow 10 milligrams each 100 milligrams of THC total so there were 10 in there and that's double the amount we allow correct correct and you said the amount for the amount per piece was listed at 10 no actually it's not that was not something that I thought I don't know that's not required in Illinois but that was the same issue here um had no idea how many pieces were even in the package because it didn't say that presumably anything we labeled would have milligrams per correct correct that's the latest that's even written it at 5 for maximum which is for 50 per yeah it does say it does say on the front of the front label no it doesn't this one doesn't this one did not yeah this one didn't so we're learning we're learning from other states so to wrap up Illinois you know you ordered me an iPad pad on a key off it was a very transactional versus an experience it was go in pick choose go you know you made your payment and then it was placed in a non-descript brown paper bag with handles but was not sealed or stable and then from any questions on Illinois okay and then from there this is Michigan so what I wanted to point out with Michigan as well our is the anatomy of their package this one was a little more than six inches in total so it had the number of pieces one of the things that was very interesting on the product fact label which is the white label is that it had the PhD for peace at 10.58 grams just because I guess that's how it came out in in their testing it does have a sticker on the front that says that it is 10 pieces and then it had two different types of warning language on there they did pull a call out box for pregnant or breastfeeding women and for pregnancy and what could occur what is meant by a full spectrum here what does that say CO2 I honestly I do not know we could find out the answer but I do okay any thoughts on the Michigan package the only thought that is the most thorough assessment of risk or pregnancy that I've seen thus far doesn't just say you shouldn't use it if you're pregnant it says here's what happened I don't know if that's built into our regulations or if that's an expanded version I am I'm sure on that but we could certainly research it what do you think you know great is that appeal to you that they've made it very expansive yeah it does appeal to me you know I think they're always be as a persuasion of more information and facts based on science are better but yeah and I think the what is the child morning on this they really only had keep out of reaches children in the second paragraph and it was not an all-cap font right up here in the warning language one oh sorry I moved away it's in that area but when you see the mock-up of the warning symbols which I only did for the front you'll we did put the knot they for kids on there and those are coming up interesting that the package says 10.58 grams per piece I've never seen a limit like that I wonder if that includes a sort of an allowed tolerance you know plus or minus half a gram milligram my assumption would be yes on that but we could certainly yeah I'll information and there will be tolerances in there and that is something that will have to be taken into consideration any additional thoughts on this they're Filipino angry no I mean just to summarize that they're calling out the pregnancy with the box and everything yet this is the product we're most scared about the kids using because it's the kind of stuff they eat all the time and it doesn't have the bolding or the capitalizing children part so this also comes back to this was legible the label was harder to read just because of the printing on the on the white label but it was much more legible and I again it comes back to size and the size of the package this is flour again it is a six six inch package so it is cannabis they did not put the pregnancy or breast feeding warning on this package which it's just it's just not there and then it even on this one one of the things I found interesting because it is flour was please wait at least one hour for this product to take effect where I thinking and I could get an example where some say it takes effect immediately and their warning symbol in Michigan really is more inviting than it is more angry it looks very much like a part of the graphic design in a way so and this one was black and white as opposed to green where it was green on the go the gummy so from there this is a package that contained one free roll one free roll joint in it and so it is a nondescript white package the only thing it had on it was the printed label so in the state of Michigan the service was provided by what's known as a blood tender you may payment in cash it was placed in a white paper bag and stapled shut we forgot any open container issues that's how they do it there any thoughts or considerations and then we'll move to warning symbols okay so going back to the warning symbols and there you'll see three different times here these are this is the Illinois package and two Illinois packages and one from Michigan dropping in the warning the first warning symbol contains THC and not safe for kids and in the guidelines you know our recommendation would be to have a minimum size for some of these warning symbols and that is how made in Massachusetts do it as well so this gives you an idea of what it would look like these are not the backs they they could also go on the back of the package but this is the white with a red outline and he thought again I said this before but I like red as a warning like the examples you gave us last week I think there was yellow in those as well correct yeah this is the example from last week within me okay this is very similar to what both Maine and Massachusetts have so it might be worth the subcommittees consideration for familiar in New England you know in terms of like a regional approach absolutely so if this is almost identical to what Maine and Massachusetts is using now but with the exception of the leaf the leaf is different so this is the yellow symbol just because we had had it up there but also with a not safe for kids and then I'll move to the yellow and red that also was requested my concern on this particular package are these particular warning symbols with both colors is in the event that might get lost if a package was yellow or red I'm a fan of what's known as white knockout which is like the first particular one because no matter what color the package is that white is gonna pop and we're able to see it and even this yellow symbol with a white box around it because I can't change it the way that it was brought in the white knockout on that does also give some some more distinction and then there's the yellow and red anything either you gravitate more towards at this point that you would feel like you're in the more sure range say that I like the this or the yellow and red obviously the best not that one but that one or the first one okay okay dr. Levine any thoughts I knew she was gonna say so not the third angry um so this one this one I don't like that one I like that one with the yellow and red okay pops and it's very clear that perceived with caution and awareness and then and I think that's the strongest I think that's our strongest one if it were on a yellow or red package though it would not be so we may have to consider two variations well show me the other one again that were I mean those to me are I'm good with either one of those and I differ I think you make a good point that if the packaging was yellow the other one would get lost but so am I hearing you like fly 31 the best and fly 29 second yes that's right okay can I also I just want to make this point that when you put these three packages side to side that this first white one and the last one the sweet life one they they sort of they don't highlight in my brain sort of what a child might be drawn to whereas the middle one that appears to be like pink to me and has this attractive watermelon font word and font just seems like in and of itself it would be attractive to a child you know in some ways just because I think it lights up the brain because of its colors and its font style but the other two seem like they could be like I mean the word goobies I don't really like because I think it's childlike yeah or you know it makes no sense and it is child you know it's oriented toward the child and right now what that is I don't know but sweet life by Hannah seems fairly like it's really not trying to appeal to kids in any roundabout way just I'm just I know I'm talking about packaging overall not necessarily the words on the packages but I will also say one of the interesting things about the sweet life that's the one that had the right the rice marshmallow treated high but did not even say that on the outside though what was in it it did not indicate that this is a rice marshmallow treat on the package mm-hmm I had to be told that yeah but it does raise the issue of how much discretion we have in regulating how products are named mm-hmm because you know we have statute rules that they advertise in can't appeal to kids blah blah blah well to me through goobies as you point out appeals to kids so you're not advertising it's the name of the product so we need to have some I would hope leverage in not allowing product names that are made for kids but again sweet life by Hannah maybe a little more than adult name the other thing I noticed and maybe I should have noticed this quite two or three meetings ago the not for kids not safe for kids warning label is actually smaller in size than the triangle contains THC but there's more to digest in the warning label for the kids because there's so many more words so I would opt for especially if you look at the middle package you can really see the start difference in the and the fact is to read those words but that's that have them really stare that you consumer in the face a little larger than for the not safe for kids so much more evident that it's a real warning excellent point I will point out to the subcommittee members that in the guidelines for Maine and I believe Massachusetts may have the same guidelines they're sharing the symbol the not safe for kids is an optional piece and they have a minimum size I think it's like half an inch I would have to go back and look it up but I do believe in the guidelines you know part of your recommendations absolutely should say that that you want pick potentially warning symbol parity in size and I think that's very a very good point so we are at 10 to the hour there are a few additional items but Julie do we have any members of the public that would like to make comment just before we move to that I wonder since we have sort of a top two favorites in the symbols Dr. Levine I know you wanted to run those by some folks in your office I wonder if you could take those two slides between you know now in our next meeting and share that I know that they're very busy with other things but if we could start that process I think that would be really helpful yeah I'd really like to do that but I almost like to take them a package a package of everything that we've kind of gone through to this point you know even with some of the content of the warning language not just the labels but I have to select from so many five steps at this point so I don't know if Danika can help me with that absolutely whatever he was you know whatever you'd like to put forth I can make that happen and reduce the size okay no no problem at all the goal today was to give you a comprehensive look at packages in other states and I hope we achieved that goal for you again this is something you've heard me say I like people something to react to you may not know what you want but you often might find what you don't want or what you need when you see something so if everyone on the committee is okay with this Dr. Lee and I'll get you whatever you need and however you want it but if we could take the public comments and then if we have the opportunity any additional wrap-up we may have I'm going to stop sharing my screen so that there's more visibility for everyone my name is Ben Mervis I spoke to you last week glad to be with you again thank you for the time and your work on all this so I did mention last week I started out in public health so I just want to preface this is coming from a public health standpoint but also product manufacturing which I've worked in and retail both merchandising and a relationship with consumers I would suggest looking at the logo from slide 31 with the yellow on the yellow packaging that's being discussed because I absolutely do agree from all three of those experiences the yellow could get very lost where that white does pop I'm not sure what word you use but it that was absolutely spot on so I just recommend to the subcommittee that you look at those two with the yellow background because I think it'll make a huge difference for you thank you thank you thank you and that's called a white knockout just in case anybody wants to know but you can see it on the yellow pages to do it yeah this is Dave Silverman from middle area just a quick hit on there is going to be there is an interest out there for the production of fresh edible products so think like mini cupcakes or little cookies or things that are not really intended for long-term storage so as you're thinking about requirements for like packaging and resealability you know I want to make sure that you don't accidentally preclude those products or over-regulate those products beyond what's necessary because those products kind of are intentionally won't need resealability for example because they're really you know sold one is one off consume that day sort of sort of thing and you know might be sold at the point of sale unboxed all together displayed in an unboxed form and then boxed and it could be box at the point of sale in a you know otherwise compliant packaging that is opaque and child resistant secondly I just hearing the conversation today I just want to raise the concern with overwarning on a package and remind you that you also have an informational flyer that you're going to give people and I think you know there's a tendency to throw a lot of label labels on things warning labels on things I think of when my children were small and how their playpen or their crib had you know 87 warning labels and then that result of that isn't nobody looks at any of them and so you don't want to overwarn to the point where people are just ignoring the warnings and I would urge you to really focus on what are the most important warnings to give consumers immediately at the point of sale on the product as opposed to something that they could have on an informational flyer later on and and so you know from my experience I would say that most important are two things one is clear identification that this is a product that contains THC so those two little bugs that you would put on I think are great and you make those big and you make those really stand out that's key and that you put it on the front not just on the back right contains THC keep out of reach of kids that's important and delayed onset is very important with edible products because people who might have experience you know from a long time ago from smoking flour know that that hits you right away but an edible can take maybe 45 minutes maybe a couple of hours depending on your digestive system and so warning them of the delayed onset of the effects I think it's gonna be very very important to avoid seeing what we've seen in other states where people consume an edible don't think it worked consume another edible end up having two three four servings much more than they can handle and then end up in the ER with a free gap that's not what we want and so I'll leave you with that thank you very much thank you that's it Danika for public comment today great thank you so much so Dr. Levine I will certainly reach out to you via email and or however you choose you can I can call you we can have a conversation I'll get you exactly what you need yeah thanks Bob very good um are there any additional comments we'll pick this back up but what I would like to say to the subcommittee is if there are considerations based on this we would really love to know for each of the types of products it on Thursday if there were any types of package styles that you definitely gravitate towards from the examples that were presented here today along with the warning statement and I did take the liberty of creating an additional warning statement that we can go over but you can read before that on slide give me one moment and this will of course be uploaded for anyone that is here on slide 32 and 33 there are some recommendations but I think one of the most important things to take away when looking at what recommendation language would be would be to take into consideration the amount of space that you have in order for these to be clear and legible and the importance piece so with that being said thank you for the public comments today they're greatly appreciated we thank you for being here and if there if there's nothing else we can close the meeting out anyone okay mark get away thanks so do we have a motion to adjourn make that motion excellent you want to second that okay okay thank you for the participation today it's greatly appreciated we hope this was helpful and educational as we start hammering out some of these items which is why I think it's incredibly important last to note that the warning leave the warning language will help us drive everything else as well including the guidelines so thank you so much everyone have a very wonderful day thank you