 When I was doing my PhD work, every study I did, before I published my data, here comes a published paper in international journals signed by Cathy Carlson that kind of summarized my thoughts as well. So she kind of beat me to it every time. I think this happened twice from my studies. But finally I defended my thesis in 1990 and what I did was that I took a copy of my thesis and sent it to Cathy and wrote to her that I thought she had the same thoughts that I had, but she appeared to beat me every time. And I didn't really think I would get an answer, you know, you send your thesis to the United States and you think, well, nobody will answer you. A couple of years later I was asked to write a review about osteocondroces in animals for a veterinary journal and I again wrote to Cathy and asked her if she would like to do this together with me. And she again said yes and at this time we had started with emails so that was easier and we started to sketch the review together by emails, but then we kind of decided that we should really meet. She's a very diplomatic person which I could demonstrate by saying that in this osteocondrosis work that we have worked a lot with, the human side, the medical society, they will not really, they don't believe in results that are made in the veterinary society, medical society, and Cathy has actually managed to get part of the medical society to understand that it is the same disease because if you look at it as a chronic disease it's really very, very similar in young, usually boys and in animals, but you cannot study the early lesions in humans, you need to do that in animals, and Cathy has, due to her really scientific skills and knowledge, but together with the diplomatic trade she has been able to get a lot of medical doctors to understand that it is the same disease. She's combining pleasure and hard work. We work a lot, we have a lot of fun. I think she's very oriented towards people and very open-minded. She also has a very wide international network because she is such a easygoing person to be around and she's really interested in what other people are describing. I mean when we first met we had a little bit different ideas about this disease, but she really listened to what other people were saying or what I was thinking or you can discuss with her and there's no prestige in it. She wants to work with people that are interested in what she's doing so she never feels threatened because she doesn't need to because she has the scientific skill for her research. And I think that is a really important part of a researcher that you're open-minded at and you can discuss with other researchers within your area.