 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt. And I'm Tyler. All right, we remember that we did it that way now. That's good. It's gonna be a way, a year from now, we'll remember that we do it that way. It still seems very new this time. Anyway, so this is the Linuxcast. We talk about Linux-y things most of the time. We do, believe it or not, have show notes every week for this show. And we follow them, we do follow them, but it's just, we like taking the long, circuitous route through the show notes. So expect this to be that, just like always, because we have no self-discipline, none whatsoever. I will say- And the scenic route is the way to go 90% of the time. Okay, but. Yeah, that's so true. If you do enjoy the scenic route, I will say this before we get into what we've done this week in Linux. Tech over T, my episode that I was on with Brey Robertson is up. So good. And it's like two hours and 20 minutes of pure awesomeness. I'm surprised that he found so much to cut out on, honestly, because it was definitely closer to three hours. But he probably cut out all the, just laughing our asses off. It was good. Anyways, that is up on both YouTube and honestly, it's also in audio form on his anchor.fm page. So definitely check that out, it was really good. So anyways, so Tyler, what have you been doing on Linux this week? Well, no, I am technically answering a question, because I did see it in chat, but I've been working on elementary OS. I'm on elementary OS six and I've just been like messing around with it, like not changing too much, but really making it like a lot more, makes sense with a keyboard setup, because out of the gate, it's just really not like all of the tools that you need to make it a more keyboard driven setup are there, but like none of them are being utilized. And so I've been going through there doing that. And then I don't know, like I'm really just getting used to using a floating window manager, which is not like yeah, technically there's some form of tiling in every floating window manager, but it's not real tiling. Like I don't care what type of BS route should go to like emulate tiling. If it's not tiling, it's not freaking tiling. So whatever. But yeah, it's good. It's good. And then besides working on elementary OS, just been planning, like planning out my different options for going off grid, because my grandparents really want me to come up there and do something on their property instead of moving out of state. And I don't know. I'm just not sure which way I want to go yet. So just planning out my different options. So I've been just an average sort of week. You do it at your grandparents place. You'll be closer to the internet. That is definitely. Also, no sand. True, true. And no 100 and like five degree weather, which is awesome. At least not normal 105 degree weather. Like it does happen. It just doesn't happen to December. Yeah. I mean, like here, if it's 100 degrees one day, and that is like a fluke of nature. And the next day it's like 70 something degrees. Like it's normally not that bad. Like Tennessee has like insane weather. Like one day it'll be like 100 degrees next day. Like there's freaking snow coming down. Like we're, we have just the most bipolar weather. You think it's bad. You should live in Michigan because literally it was 90 degrees last week. Today it's 30. And tomorrow the next three days is supposed to be in the 70s. So yeah, it's really crazy weather. Like all over the place, I think. So definitely. All right, so me. Now this really doesn't have anything to do with Linux, but so my old microphone boom arm gave up the ghost and it just would not hold up this Hile PR 40. It was just, you know, it was just droopy. What he's saying is has mics too big and his other mic arm just couldn't handle it, you know. He's a real baller. They say size doesn't matter, but it's not true. Anyways, anyway, so I got a new boom arm and it was not expensive, it was like 40 bucks, but it's meant for like it's heavy duty. Like it's a man's. But it's a man's man's boom arm. It's meant for a big mic. Anyways, the problem with is the clamp would not fit where the old clamp was. So I had to shift it up to the upper shelf, which is up on the hutch that's behind my monitors because I have this gigantic Oak desk like I was talking about last week. And I also had to shift it over because there's a whole bunch of stuff on the other side of this. So that means I now have this microphone right in the middle of my face. And I can't see my monitor all that well. I've gotten a little used to it into the time that I've tried. And I'm also gonna have to make sure that I'm not breathing right into the mic because all you can do is just hear me. I'm gonna take a horrible, so. Well, the thing though is, it's like I don't know that I could get used to just having a bar, like right here in my face. That's gotta be annoying, like it has to be annoying. Well, I mean, it's not, I've gotten a little used to it. It's like having, well, I mean, you like wear glasses, right? I mean, you got your glasses on your face. You've gotten used to them. But when you first put them on, it felt, this is gonna be the hardest part is not hitting the damn thing. That's ridiculous. I talk with my hands like this, I'm going, nobody can see me because I'm not even on the freaking spot, the split. So I totally tried to just stretch the scenes, that's okay. But anyways, now they can see me, like it's this thing, and I hit the damn thing all the time and it just swings back and forth like this. The poor audio people are like, we, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Anyway, but anyways, it's like, I think it's like your glasses, like you'll get used to it a little bit, like. Well, I mean, the thing about glasses though, is they're like in your peripheral vision, like they cover up your peripheral. Like, I mean, that's like, that's like dead center over your left eye. Right, well, right in the center of my nose, if I look straight on, so I can at least see stuff. And it's not gonna be like a huge deal because I don't do, I mean, it'll be, I don't know, it's gonna take some years to- You're not having, so the real question, or the real question is, do you watch like movies and have cinematic experiences on your computer? Not why I need, because I can, when I'm actually need to use it, I can just like this and push it back a little bit and I can see fine, it's not in my face anymore. Oh, that, like, okay, so on, so at that level there, it's not covering up any of the screen. No, it's just, it's just at the level of the top of the screen and I can actually push this back forward a little bit more and it's not, I mean, I can see it, obviously, but I mean, nobody can actually hear me now, but you know, it's a- Actually, your audio wasn't that bad over there. I can still hear you. It wasn't as good as when it's right up in your face, but- Yeah, it's gonna take some getting used to, because if I have to, I can move all the stuff that's on that side of the hutch just closest to the wall and shove it all sideways and then move the clamp to the corner. And then it would be up here against the wall like it was before and then just when I need to record, I'd pull it down and it would be here, like where it was, just a little bit higher. That's possible. We'll see how it goes, because I don't think, because normally the microphone was pointed at my mouth like this, right? That's where it was before and I think my audio was fine, as fine as this shitty mic can actually get and I don't think it's much better here. Not really. There's more of a chance now of closest, so please bring Pizza Pronto, but that's why I have to have the windscreen on here, but also because I'm a mouth breather, so. It's definitely- People wish I used a pop filter again. I stopped using it and people are like, I know there's someone out there who's like, Jesus, man, can't you please go back? Like, I've been so instrumented. Yours isn't nearly as bad, so I love Hex DSL. All of his stuff is great, but that man needs a pop filter like crazy. Since he got that new mic and went without a pop filter, he has just so many plosives, it's just insane. Yeah, so anyways, yeah. All right, so anyways, that's what I've been doing today, at least as finagling, you're right, this is not gonna work, because I'm gonna hit this thing like crazy. It's gonna be batting it around like a fucking ball or something, I'm so dumb. Playing pong with your microphone. Yeah, just, I mean, because I'm gonna be hitting it like crazy. I got those poor audio people like we just stopped hitting your mic. I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, okay. I mean, they can't complain too much, at least you got it on a shock, man. I mean, if you just straight up slapping that microphone, it's just not much worse. I could just be tapping the top of it. All right, anyways, yeah. All right, so let's go ahead and move on to the contact information. I don't know if I can see it. If you wanna get in contact with us, you can do so. You can follow us on Twitter at TheLinuxCast. You can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and stuff like that at TheLinuxCast.org. If you'd like to get in contact with us via email, you can do so at email at TheLinuxCast.org. You can support us on Patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. Tyler is patreon.com slash official Zany. 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Definitely what I need to do. So, all right. Every week, we do things where we go through and search for news of the Linux variety and we each come with a link. Now, I have not planned this out and we're told Tyler that I'm going to do this. But before we go, go into the links that we chose, we should talk about that Epic thing that just came out. Right before the show. Oh yes. I don't know if anybody knows this and I don't have the link up to actually show you, but it's true. Epic Games has released a Linux version of their anti-cheat software. So that means any game that Epic has should in theory now work on Linux. And that includes Fortnite and, well, it totally went blank on the racing game. We were just talking about it. Oh. We're tearing it. Anytime someone says racing game, my brain goes dirt. It's not dirt. Good Lord. You're blank soccer with fricking, Rockily. Rockily, that was it. Good Lord. Between the two of us, we have Alzheimer's. It's just completely gone. But anyways, yeah, they just announced that, that their easy anti-cheat is going to work on Linux and Mac and on the Steam Deck. So that's Epic Games taking care of, now, I don't really care about Epic Games. What makes me so excited about this is if they manage to get this in coordination with Steam because they work with Proton in order to do it. This is gonna be through Proton and Wine. If they've gotten this one, they're gonna get the other two big ones. And that means that more and more games are gonna be on Steam Deck when this thing launches. And I'm gonna, oh man, it's gonna be good. Dude, I'm excited because if they get anti-cheat workings, even though I don't really play a lot of Call of Duty games, that means I can load into my COD library and just play Nazi Zombies online, like it was just any other PC. That's pretty cool. The fact that I could just play Apex anytime I decided just to install it, remove it, just whenever I feel like it, play a little bit Apex. The future is bright, man, on Linux. I mean, who the hell? I mean, this is gonna be good. Like, my only worry is that we're gonna have all these, like the first batch of those Steam Decks are gonna come out to people who have never used Linux before. And the distribution that we've chosen to give them is Arch Linux. I think that's the real problem that, like, see, here's the thing. We all, all of us who have used Arch for a long time know this. Arch is not that unstable. You might have the occasional problem, but normally the problem with Arch is not its stability, but it's the fact that packages can get updated rather quickly. And some developers, even the best of them, make mistakes. And so even something like GIMP that rarely gets major updates that break anything, it happens once or twice where you'll have a bug and it takes a couple days or a week to get fixed. I feel like people who get the system start tinkering around with it will be like, why is this piece of software not working? And that comment a week later is not valid anymore, but that comment will stay up. Well, yeah, you almost, they're almost have to gonna have to treat that Arch install like Manjaro treats theirs. It's gonna have to be a delay thing. They're not gonna be able to use the core Arch repos because it's just not gonna work because just the other day I had an update that came through, it required a dependency of a certain version and that version was old and you couldn't update it just wouldn't update. I had to remove that old dependency with force and then reinstall it, you know, the new version so that the version numbers matched up. And you can't ask normal Joe Schmo who wants to play, you know, Grand Theft Auto to do that. You just can't. So they're gonna have to delay that, but. Well, that's gonna be in all fairness to Steam OS and that's gonna be an issue with actual like desktop side like applications when it comes to Steam OS and everything. I mean, you're not really gonna have that issue. Well, that and they control everything, every dependency that they need for Steam and stuff like that, they control. So it's gonna be the underlying parts of Arch Linux that are gonna be the problem, the thing that nobody ever interacts with, you know, the kernel and things like that that are gonna cause problems every once in a while. But we'll see. I'm assuming they're gonna be testing this shit, so. Yeah, and I mean, again, it's just like any other Linux distro, it's based off of Arch Linux. That doesn't mean it's Arch itself. So, which I think a lot of people are confusing about it. Like even Steam OS when it originally came out, it was Debian based, but it was not to Debian. Yeah, it's definitely gonna have to be based. All right, so that was just like a random news. So you're actually getting three news this week. So Tyler, why don't you tell us what your link was? Mine is a nine to five Linux article on Nvidia's new driver that came out. It's a 470.74 for all of you out there who have Nvidia cards and don't update. So here's the thing, this new update to the driver is, I mean, it's cool and all it brings support for Linux, the not newest Linux kernel, but the very new version of it, not 14, which is good, good. But the thing about it that just cracks me up is the highlights of this update is that it brings improvements for Firefox. And look, we all know how bloated browsers are and everything, but can you honestly tell me that 15 years ago, you ever imagined that you would live in a world where a driver update for a graphics card, like a major point of it was gonna be that your browser had like, it had major improvements so that your browser was better and could perform better? Well, I mean, we would have been very happy 15 years ago if that had been the case because browsing back then, I mean, it wasn't slow, but it was all CPU-based, right? There was no GPU rendering at all. But granted, back then we didn't have like nine gigabytes of JavaScript on every single website, having to display you an advertisement or whatever. So I think it probably more speaks to the sad fact that the web is so bloated, right? Well, I mean, like the fact that, so like here's something that the article states, so it improves support for Firefox web browser to prevent visual corruption by adding an application profile to disable FXAA, also available for FreeBSD and Solaris systems. It fixes a Vulcan performance regression that affected a whole bunch of other stuff. So it's just weird to me that we're now at a point where like FXAA and stuff is affecting your browser and you can either use it or not. It's just weird that the same technologies that are powering very, very graphically advanced games are also being utilized in browsers where, I mean like, come on, like most people just use them for news websites or Facebook. I don't need an RTX like 30, 50 TI to have a good experience. I shouldn't. I should just need a decent CPU. The thing is, is that sometimes sites like Facebook and whatever, because you're using like web apps too, it's like Discord, you can use Discord and your web. Things like that take up just as much like CPU and GPU as like a low end like Tux racing game, probably it's probably the same. Now it's not consistent like a race, like a game. Like a game will use this performance all the time. Websites usually are only gonna take it when it's loading, or at least the processing power. The memory stays there like all the time. Like right now I'm using a quarter. I'm using 25% of my 64 gigabytes of RAM right now. Jesus. Let's see what I have open right now. I have two instances of Firefox with like six or seven tabs open. I have two instances of cube browser. I have Audacity. I have Discord. I have OBS. I have Thunar and Todoist and several terminals open. By the way, I have these all in many different workspaces. In case you were wondering. Definitely, memory is still a problem. People ask me, why do you have 64 gigabytes of RAM? That's why. That is nuts, man. All right, yeah, so the thing is, I'm so glad I don't use NVIDIA anymore. I always have to rely on these driver updates for stuff and things get broken when you get new ones. And yeah, so being on the AMD side of things, yes stuff, you still get updates and stuff, but it's not ever that big of a deal because it's just, you know, it's an update that comes through at once in a while. It's normally fixing like problems that you've had on newer cards. And the older cards really just get security updates because they just work. Like, and then over time, like yeah, performance will get better on them as well. They'll get performance enhancements, but I mean, not to an insane degree. I feel like some people buy like eight-year-old graphics cards because they're like, this thing has, like even though, yeah, it's super old, like it's on Linux, so it's been getting performance improvements. So like, yeah, they're not gonna be able to like get an extra 30 frames out of an old graphics card just in a driver update. Like, come on now. You can't add more memory to it. Yeah, yeah. My question is, why not? Wouldn't it be cool to be able to go out and buy like a so dim of memory and just plop it onto your graphics card? Like all of a sudden, now I went from an eight-gigabyte card to a 16-gigabyte card. That'd be so cool. Technically speaking, with a lot of AMD cards, if you know what you're doing and you know what to buy, you could theoretically desolder off the memory and resolder it on there, but that requires a level of knowledge because you not only have to replace them, I'm pretty sure you have to change like something in firmware, like you have to update firmware for it to be able to recognize the new chips and you have a whole bunch of problems. But you could learn enough to where you could essentially like always fix your old graphics card, like AMD graphics card, and upgrade it in different ways. I mean, you still be limited in a lot of ways. It's not like you're gonna take a card that can only read GDDR3 memory and upgrade it to GDDR5. Like that's like, you can't just remanufacture the card. I know my idea was not physically possible, but it was a cool idea. It would be just cool if they could make the graphics card modular so you could just add in some more memory. It's never gonna do. But they don't want you to, they want you to go and buy another $4,000 card because that's how much graphics cards cost now. Yeah, yeah. Now you should spend for a 1050 Ti or like, I mean, yeah, no, yeah, for a 1050 Ti, not even a current card, you should spend $3,000 because that's what it's worth, man. Just believe it. It's worth that much. You can't even melt that thing down into components and get your money back. Okay, this is so bad. All right, anyway, so my link this week is that for all those of us who just are so in love with snaps, Ubuntu and Mozilla have decided to make Firefox a snap by default. And this is just such a good idea. And I'm so happy that they're doing this, Sammy. I've never been more happy in my life. I mean, as someone who personally thinks that you're an absolute degenerate, if you're not using snaps for everything, like, come on, system D should be a snap. Everything should be a snap. Don't say I should when I'm trying to drink something, man. That's horrible. Like we had the straight faces going on until we said that. And then we just... I mean, yeah, in case you didn't realize, that was all just sarcasm. Okay, so let's go through the good part, the good part of this first. It shouldn't take very long. Theoretically, this means less work for Ubuntu and Mozilla to distribute Firefox overall because they can just update it the snap and then push it out. They don't have to recompile it every time and it's just putting in some minor work and pushing it out. Wait, hold on. What? So the reason why they did Chromium, like this begin with, was because then they only had to maintain one package. When they had just the regular binary, they had to have a binary for 14, 10, 16, 10, 20, 10, whatever. This way they just had one snap and it could go out to every single version of Ubuntu that they still have to support. And that's a good thing. It means that they don't have to spend all that time recompiling the binary to send out to every single different version of Ubuntu. But I think that's where the good part ends. Snap is horrible. And you know the one thing Firefox doesn't need is to be slower. Firefox doesn't need to be slower. It's already slow enough, thank you very much. It's not as fast as any Chromium-based browser. It's just slower. I mean, no, it's not the slowest web browser ever. You're probably not going to realize that it's slower at all because it's probably all you're gonna use. But if you put it up compared to something else, it is appreciably slower. And now they're going to put it into a container, which means added compression time. It's gonna mean adding extra layers of complexity to starting it up and shutting it down. And all this stuff, which means in the end, Firefox is going to be slower. Now, whether or not that's going to translate into web load times or not, I don't know. I doubt it. It should be marginal, but still, it's not like it being in a container is gonna make it faster. Right, where it's gonna hurt you is when you open up Firefox for the first time. So snaps have gotten better over the last couple of years. They are faster to start up than they used to be. But that's like saying, a car got faster because you put in some dry gas or something. I don't know. Maybe, yeah, you eked an extra quarter of a second out of your car or whatever to go zero to 60, but it's not fast. It's still a Prius, okay? It's not gonna go very fast at all. It was a horrible metaphor, I know. I'm not a car guy. But it's just, it's gonna be so slow to stop. And Joplin right now is a note taking app. And it's a good note taking app. And it has mobile applications and stuff like that. It's open source, it has a lot of cool functionality. But it's a snap and it is slower now on the desktop. Now you can download it from the AUR, but the AUR package has been broken for over a year. At least for me, I haven't been able to download it from the AUR and get to work in over a year. It just doesn't work. The snap works fine. But it takes the first time you load it up, it takes at least a minute to shut up on your screen. It's like, it reminds me of the internet back in the days where you'll see an image and it just kind of like loads line by line. Like it reminds me of that. This should not be that slow. And that's because it's a snap. The regular binary or whatever wasn't that slow. So it's just, I mean, I have my other reasons to hate snaps, like putting shit in my home directory. I was about to say, I'm like, the actual, like the problem with it going to snap is not necessarily really a problem with it going to snap. Really, it's the problem with snap itself. Snap is the arrogant person that like the, not good friend, but that friend that you pick up for a little bit of time, but then you invite him over for the first time and he comes over and he's a fucking slob and he like puts beer all over your place. He like spills drinks. He dirties up the bathroom, the kitchen. Which cheetos dust on your keyboard. Yeah. And then falls asleep on your couch and then you have to like force him to leave your place three days later. Like that is snap. You install one snap package. You're going to spend three days cleaning up after snap on your system. And it's not, okay. So it used to be just that folder in the home directory that pissed me off. But if you've installed snap, like, I don't know if it used to do this and I just never noticed or if I just now noticed because I'm getting more into Linux. But if you do an like an LSBLK after you've done a snap, snap creates like loopback devices and like partitions on your system. And they're there forever. Like you can't get rid of these things. And most people not going to care. Me, who has a little bit of a, you know, like OCD about him. Like I want to keep my system as clean as possible. I absolutely despise that because it makes it harder to find my hard drives because like I have like nine hard drives hook up to my computer. But I also have like 12 loopback devices that show up as partitions being listed all the same time. And like they're not in order. It's just the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And it just pisses me off. It's annoying. Yeah. Like this flat pack doesn't do this. Okay. Like I have my own problems with flat pack, but flat pack doesn't do this. Why does it? I mean, it's just so stupid. It's really just the thing of there are really, I mean, if snaps were the only game in town, it probably wouldn't be that, we wouldn't complain as much, but just because there are more friendlier alternative. Like, I mean, dude, just go to app images. Like, geez, they're so nice. So nice. Make Snap better. Yeah. I mean, that would be great. Here's a crazy idea. Make Snap open source so that the community can help you fix it. Because obviously you can't do it, you know what I mean? Good point there. I mean, seriously, look, Linux would not be where Linux is today without Canonical. We can all admit that. There'd be so much, I mean, we'd still be 20 years ago, if we hadn't had Canonical and Canonical's money, enabling us to make Linux on the desktop better. Ubuntu changed Linux forever. And it just did, whether you like Ubuntu or not, okay? It lit a fire under Red Hat's ass and they started developing and paying more attention to things like Fedora and CentOS and all this stuff that has contributed to underlying things that make Linux better. And GNOME, for all the shit we give it, has moved things forward and taken things away and then moved things forward again. And we just keep moving back and forth. But Canonical for all that can still be a pain in the ass and do bad things because Snap sucks. It's not a good system. There's so many things that are just wrong with it. From the fact that it will update your apps automatically without telling you, to adding directories to places where you don't want them and you can't move them. And then only fixing it on Ubuntu. Like if you install Ubuntu and have Snap pre-installed by default, you don't get the Snap folder. It's not there. It's hidden or something, I don't even know, but it's not there. But you install Snap's on Arch, you get it. To creating those stupid loopback devices which is dumb and infuriating and all sorts of adjectives that I just don't want to talk about right now. You know, it's just like, there's just so many problems. Like the idea itself is good. Like a universal package manager that works across distributions that's containerized so that it's a, you know, secure and all this stuff. Crand idea. Let's have some more good ideas like that. But it's a very, very poor implementation. And I will always come back to the fact that I just don't like Snaps because of those problems. And on top of that, like, let's just say all those things are nitpicky and they are. Snaps are slow. After all that, they don't even perform well. Like, come on. Compared to an app image, you're just gonna have a faster package on an app image than you will on a Snap. Or on a Flatpak. Flatpak isn't slow, or it's not, I mean, it's slower than like a native binary, but it's not Snap slow. Here's my solution for all of it. Get rid of Snaps, get rid of app images, get rid of Flatpaks, get everybody, there you are. There we go. I've solved Linux, job done. I mean, Debian tripping off there, you are, so. We'll see if that takes off. I don't think it will. Well, here's the reason why. I don't think it'll take off, but here's the reason why I feel like it has the best chance to is because of Debian's user base. They have the user base to at least have the potential to start off a successful AUR competitor. Do I think it'll ever get to the point of the AUR? Probably not. I don't feel like most people are building. After my experience, and from what I'm hearing from other people who have recently tried out Debian, I highly doubt that they're gonna gain a lot of people from the Arch community that will help them make their packages as available over there. Out of all of the Linux distributions out there, the Debian community is the one that doesn't like change the most. And getting them to change and adopt the new system, like the AUR or the Debian AUR would be hard, like the hardest thing ever. Like they've talked many times about ditching system D and the outrage that that community just, I mean, like I don't care. I mean, keep system D, I think it's probably the best idea, but just that change is just completely infuriates every member of that community unless, so much so that the small portion of the community that wanted to switch to run it and open RC, created Devlon, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, here's the thing, like the Debian community is so resistant to change, they will not change how they distribute ISOs knowing that it's bad. Okay, let's talk about the ISO thing. So I did that long-term review and I had several comments that basically boiled down to, are you a fucking idiot? Why can't you find ISO? It's right there. It's on the front page. Like no, that's the wrong ISO because I require non-free binaries in order to actually like do things like connect to the fucking internet, you know what I'm saying? Like this isn't a printer problem. Okay, like if your distribution doesn't work with my printer, that's usually a me problem. Like that's fine. It's a fucking printer. I don't care. Yeah, and I can go without a printer. Like it's okay. Right, I can fire up a Windows VM or a Linux VM or something like that and print from there, whatever. It's a printer. Wi-Fi is essential. It's like the steering wheel of your car, okay? You can't have a car without a steering wheel, okay? Or tires or an engine or something. It's literally essential these days. I mean, you can do things without the internet, sure. But eventually you're gonna get bored doing those things and move on to reading a book or something. You know, internet is very essential. So those people who said you're dumb ass and you can't find the ISO, that's not the right ISO. So I went back and I looked for the non-for ISO and I found it without Googling it. I found that ISO. It is, so if you go to the Debian website, they have those two columns of links. And at the bottom of them, they have two links. Both of them are entitled the same thing. They say more, okay? Now, which one you wanna click on, I don't know. But eventually you click on both of them and when you find the right one, you'll go to a page that has some more information on it. Then you click on another link and then another link. And then at the bottom of that page, four pages in, in the smallest text humanly possible surrounded by a box, it says some systems require non-free binaries or something to that line. And then there's a link to the non-free ISO. That's where it's at. But that's not the end of the story because there's still three more pages that you have to get to before you actually get to the binder and you have to know, not only do you need AMD64, but you also need to know whether or not you want the live ISO or the, the, the net install. You have to- And you have to, you have to have the knowledge to know that the BT-DD or D whatever, all of those. Like you have to be able to know that those are just ignore folders and you just click on the ISO, DVD, like, oh my God, man. I, I've gotten to the point where I'm never going to review Debian again. Like, I don't care. That video did really well. I got like 5,000 views. Like it did really well, but I'm not going to review a Debian install again simply because there are so many people in that comment section that were so belligerent about the ISO situation. Cause I did spend a good portion of that video bitching about the ISOs. And I think I'm, I think I'm in the right bitching about the ISOs cause that is not a good experience. Now most people just say, well, Google it. Well, that's not a solution. That's a workaround. Okay. And, and the link that you're going to get from Google is a link to two pages up. So you still have to go down, get to the folders. Then you have to know to ignore all of those different weird ISOs. Click on ISO dash. I mean, you still need to know, do I want CD or DVD? I mean, they'll both probably still work, but you probably want to go with a DVD. Like, come on, man. Just give me, and when you go to the actual link that's going to have the ISO, it's a full page of text going through like why you might need the non-free firmware. And then you get to the very bottom, there's still all of the like, before you get to the MD5 checksome and stuff and the actual ISO, there's more subdirectory links and shit like that. And then at the bare, I mean, the very bottom of that page is the ISO. Like. And that's not the only non-free ISO. That's the only ones you can find. They have 400 other ones. Like, they maintain something like 300 different ISOs. And that's not even, that's like a little ball estimate because they have versions of the ISO for both stable and non-stable. They have ISOs for non-free and free and every combination they're of. And then they have ISOs for every single desktop available that they offer. Net install. And then they have ISOs for every single one of those desktops with a live environment. And good luck finding those. You can't find those on their website. You just can't. You have to Google for those. And I think I've never found them again. I saw them. They exist, but I've never seen them again. It's like a white elephant, you know? They're never gonna see it again, but they do exist. You know, it's, we gotta get out of this. We can't, we can't. I'm so sick and tired of it. Debian is a community addition, a community supported and community developed thing. It is. It's supported by a corporate, a single corporation. It has corporation, corporate backers, but it's not controlled by like Red Hat or whatever. The community, if they really cared about Debian, would somebody out there would just say, you wanna, I'm gonna redo your website. I'm gonna do it for free. You know, it's gonna be, it would be the biggest gift somebody could give to Debian. Now, I don't think that anybody would actually go through to it because the Debian people that are really into Debian, think that the hardness, the difficulty of finding an ISO is a good thing because it keeps new users away. Which is insane to me because I've been saying this for a long time. I know Debian is not meant for new users, but it's a perfect distro for new users because as long as you don't have new hardware, and as long as you can get your hands on that ISO and get stuff installed, you should have an experience like, no, it wasn't my experience, but you should have an experience that just, as long as everything works when you get it installed, it's gonna stay that way forever. So it's perfect, especially for someone who just wants to get away, get one thing installed, go about their business and never have to worry about a thing again. That's, Debian should be perfect for that individual. Oh, great. This idea that some Linux communities have gotten into, that they need to make things so hard that it scares away new users, simply because they don't wanna support them or they think it will dilute the user base or some other completely, another nonsense is just the stupid thing because it happened with Arch. The reason why Arch people got so grumpy and fickle and stuff is because they didn't want new users to have, Succless Software is still exactly this way. It says literally right on the Succless website, we're not for new users. And if you have questions, don't fucking ask questions because we'll murder you in your sleep or something. It doesn't actually say that, but it's the intent. And there's a lot of that. They clearly don't ever want to support or help a new user, which is why Succless Software is elitist. Like it is, and it fosters a community of people that are very much like, we're better than you. Now, when you talk to a lot of people who use DWM, they're like, no, I just use it because it's amazing. Like that's, I mean, that's really just it. It is a great window manager. It's fantastic. It's written in a language that you can understand and read. It's not like Haskell that's gonna kill you in your sleep, you know. It's simple, it's elegant. I used, I went into Xmonad the other day for like five minutes. I keep it installed just for the reason why, because Xmonad is very attractive, right? It has a lot of really cool features. I keep it installed so that I go use it and remind myself why I don't use Haskell in Xmonad. So, the whole idea of scaring away new users is just the stupidest, just the stupidest thing ever. All right, anyways, 50 minutes in, Bruce. 50 minutes in. We are finally making it to the main topic. Oh, good lord. Believe it or not, not a record. No, no. Not a record. Last week, it was 58 minutes, I believe, that before we got to the main topic. And the week before that, or sometime before that, we were so far deep into the bullshit that we didn't even do the main topic at all. So, all right. So, let's go ahead and move on to the main topic, which I pared down the original idea from what Tyler had it to just a simple thing, duplication of effort. And I think this is basically the spirit of what you were trying to say, Tyler. So, why don't you tell us? Pretty much so. What we're gonna be talking about. Well, the thing when it comes to developing for Linux that I feel like a lot of the times gets overlooked is a valid reason to actually develop and fork or create new software to challenge or to tackle a problem. I don't know if you would agree with this, but the ability to fork and create new software is integral and very important to Linux. However, the amount of which it's used is too much because inside of the Linux space, we have a lot of separate applications and separate solutions to fixing a problem for non-valid reasons. Example, glimpse. Because GIMP is somehow like, I will never understand that at all because that literally, if you get offended by GIMP, that just means you don't know what anachronims are. And if you also are the type of person which you can get offended, that an anachronim can be used as another word that is offensive, like, buddy. It came from a movie, okay? The reason why they used that anachronim or whatever is because it came from a movie. They wanted it. It came from, I can't even remember the movie. It's a big famous movie in my brain's networking, but it came from a movie. Okay, and it's been around for 30 years, okay? It's been around for so long. I understand we're in the age of being offended about everything. It's just now the in thing to do to be offended by stupid shit. But you have to look at the intent behind the things that you're being offended by. If somebody's meant to, if somebody's doing something to offend you, then you can be offended. Go ahead, I don't care. Not gonna offend me. It takes so much to offend me, I don't give a damn. A lot of people trying to be offensive are to me funny. Like, it's really hard to offend me, but. There's no argument out there whatsoever. There's none that would say that the people who were behind the GNU image manipulation program were being offensive when they came up with their name. There's just no argument that can be made that says that's true, because there weren't. They literally called it the GNU image manipulation program and realized that, holy shit, that's a horrible name because it takes 12 minutes to say we need to prepare this down a bit. And they came up with GIMP and they realized, oh, that's kind of cool, it came from a movie. So people could actually already know how to say it. They don't have to do the weird thing that, because all Linux names are like this where they're very accurate. They're like extremely accurate. It's called fiction, thank you Ahmed. So that was the movie, of course. Biggest movie of all time, you know. The other one that everybody knows, Matt can't remember the name, it's okay. But anyways, yeah, so it's dumb. And so just to go back to the original point not to get too deep into the guns, but you're absolutely right, kind of. People fork things for stupid reasons. The ability to fork is, you're right, integral to open source software. But people sometimes, it's not all the time, sometimes fork projects for stupid reasons. And Glimpse is probably the best example of this, but their Linux Mint is another one. I respect the Linux Mint. I, I, I, I, I. Talk about upsetting some people in the chat. You know there's one Linux user in the chat right now who's just like, he's dying. Like Linux Mint forked the fork of a fork, okay. There's just too many forks in that equation. They should have just forked the original, okay. But they forked Ubuntu because they didn't like what Ubuntu was doing, but what they could have done was just forked Debian to begin with. And they would have bypassed everything that, you know, Ubuntu, you know, had, you know, was causing problems for them. Now they would have had to put a lot more effort into getting Debian up to work, but they chose to do that work anyways with LMD. Like they chose to do the work. Why didn't I just do it from the beginning? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. And that's one of the forks that just doesn't make sense to me. Another one where we kind of get into the whole fork thing is audacity. Like after audacity came, you know, had the Russian snafu, as we call it. Sounds like a weird dance, but you know, there was like five or six different audacity forks that proclaimed to be the next audacity and they all had these grand plans and were security, conscience and privacy focused or whatever. And really all they ended up doing was fighting amongst themselves and doing the point where we still don't have a really great audacity fork. So the fork existed there. We just have ones that are OG audacity right before all that shit went down. That's really all we have. And to be honest, I don't think that's gonna change because those types of distros or software forks will never end. I mean, for one, like, I mean, it was perfect that you used audacity because I mean, there's telemetry now, like in the current, if you get the latest, like update of audacity, which I still think a lot of distros are not pulling for the latest, but either way, it's actually got telemetry baked in it, which, like, look, I don't think forking it is a bad idea, but forking it and just saying we have audacity with no telemetry, that's one thing. But saying that you're a whole different, separate piece of software and something else where all that you're gonna be doing is making sure that it just doesn't break. Like, you're not really a new piece of software or you're not really something new. You're just a backup of an old software, that's it. Literally, I forked audacity, okay? When there's all stuff, I'm forking audacity. I'm not gonna do anything with it because I don't know any of the code, but I just wanted to make sure that if this company decided to make it private or proprietary or payware or whatever, I wanted to have a copy of audacity that I could build on my own to continue to use. And I think if you go back, if you go look at the original audacity thing, like 2,000 people forked audacity within a week or something, it was insane. So the thing with that is that you had just regular developers forking stuff and they didn't have no, a project of that size, if it's gonna be forked properly, it has to have a team of developers behind it or a company behind it. And that's where forking is actually a good idea. And now I don't wanna say that, you know, just a random developer can't fork stuff, but the bigger the project is, the harder it is to actually fork something and do it. That's why Glimps failed. I mean, outside of the fact that there was a stupid reason to fork something, they eventually came up with other good things to do, like beyond the name, you know, they had some good ideas. Changing the UI is one that's good. Now, they've got a good objective there, but yeah, like, I mean that, even though it's not necessarily a massive problem per se, it's like it's gonna tear down Linux or something. It's still annoying, but I think it's something that, I mean, do you think we'll ever not have the issue of duplication of effort in Linux? No, because we're never gonna all agree on everything. We're never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to all agree on what package manager is the best, okay? You and I think that Pac-Man and they, you are, they're the shit. They're awesome. We're always gonna come back to it eventually. I mean, when I leave Arch or an ArchBase distro, I miss they, you are in Pac-Man. And there are a lot of people out there like that. There are people who love apt. I mean, just can't get enough of apt and apt-get. There are people who think that compiling your own stuff and using Gen2 is the way to go. There are people who would highly enjoy XBPS from Void. That's the reason why we have 45,000 different package managers. Not sure that was an overestimation or not. Yeah, I don't think so, I wouldn't be surprised. So, that's the reason why. And so, no, that's not ever gonna go away. And Terminal4Life said something the last time we talked about duplication of effort. He was talking about you, you can't force developers to not do things that they wanna do. So, if they have a qualm with some piece of software, they're fully on their right to go through and develop whatever they want. And he's absolutely right. We can't say, well, you can't go through and do this because we already have that. Like as much as I wanna shake the Linux Mint developers for always going through and making another bulk rename tool, we don't need that. Like that was time that you didn't need to do, but that was probably just one developer. It was probably just one guy sitting at his MacBook probably, because he's probably not using Linux. You know. That's what he wanted to make. That's what he wanted to make. And we can't tell him, no, don't do that. And frankly, I don't think we would want to tell him, no, don't do that. I mean, I do tell him, no, don't do that, do something else, but the spirit of Linux will tell us that we need that kind of freedom for people to do just whatever they want. And yeah, it leads to a fractured ecosystem. Yeah, it leads to 9 million package managers. Yeah, it leads to stupid forks of stupid projects for stupid reasons. But at the end of the day, that's kind of what makes Linux great and there's no way to tell the bad stuff without also getting rid of the good. No. Nope. So. Completely agree. Yeah, well, that was very eloquent, man. You should definitely record that or something. Oh, lucky me. Yes, hope we don't lose this recording. That was really good. So it was just one of the things, the Linux Mint video that I originally did, the one that I called Linux Mint useless, has gone down in Linux infamy. Because like I see that, like I have a reputation now as a mint hater. Just because of that video, like it doesn't matter that I've come, I've made a few other Linux Mint videos after that saying, you know, Linux Mint is fine. Cinnamon actually makes a ton of sense, you know, for new users. It doesn't matter that I've said that original video where I said Linux Mint was useless, that has followed me everywhere. That's so funny, you know, it's like. In 2031, when you're using Linux Mint for some reason, somebody will still pop in and be like, I thought you said you hated this. What's going on? You're like, dude, shit changes, man. Like, come on. My look is Tyler's going to say that our next challenge is going to be using Linux Mint as our daily driver for a month. Oh, no, no. Actually, I'm glad you brought that up because. Did you come up with an idea? Yeah. Yeah. So what are we doing? Oh, God, I'm scared. Should I be scared? Maybe not. So for this question, I do have to ask, do you have an extra machine that you don't have to use all the time? Like a laptop? Laptop or desktop, something that you don't have to necessarily use at all, that you could use for a separate task. Yeah, I have a couple laptops that I could do something on. All right. So I think our next challenge is going to be setting up local GitHub repositories for ourselves where we can back up stuff locally to a GitHub repository, deploy it to any other machine in the house, and then we do all of our dot file, like pushes and everything from that actual repository up. So we push up to a local repository and then up and we have a local backup. GitHub, you mean GitLab? Yes, GitLab. Sorry. That's actually what I meant. I was going to say, GitHub's not actually open source, okay? Yeah, yeah. All right. I'm looking at that laptop behind me, like, okay, we're going to give it a try. We'll talk more about that offline because I want some more details, but okay. That's going to be... Well, I mean, I'm sure people here would love to hear it. I mean, if we have time for it, but... If we're going to take some questions, we probably should... Oh yeah, that's right. We'll talk about... It's not going to be like next week. So we have some time so I can get some more details. That'll be very interesting because I've never even... I don't even have a GitLab account. You all need one. Okay. I mean, you will want one and you'll need one, but to actually set it up on your laptop, like to actually get a repository set up and installed, you won't need it. You can also use like Docker and stuff like that. I'll show you how to get that set up because Docker makes it really easy. Can it run from a Raspberry Pi? I mean, you should be able to do that from there. No problem. This might be the reason for me to get a Raspberry Pi and do a Raspberry Pi build. That would be... I'm thinking that that could be a good reason to finally pop down the money for Raspberry Pi. Because I need... I want to do my actual GitLab repository on a separate device because I have my Gigabyte Brick set up as my next cloud server. But I'll probably just take my Raspberry Pi. I've got a 3B Plus and that's what I'll set up as my GitHub repository or I keep saying GitLab repository. All right. That should be very funny. I will get on the horn and buy myself Raspberry Pi and learn SSH and all this stuff. This should be a very interesting challenge. Okay. It'll be interesting to see how we show that off. You know what I mean? I mean, we'll probably just both have to... Well, showing it off probably won't be too hard because as soon as you set it up, you will have the ability to have like a web interface so you can type in the local IP address. I mean, you could also get a domain and do some... You could make it much more advanced, have it to where it's available anywhere online, but then you have to self-host it. That means requiring talking to your IP and it gets much more complex. But on your own local internet, you can type in the IP address of that device in the browser and give it the specific port and you'll get a web interface just like you were going to gitlab.com. And so you could browse your own repository just like you would on the internet. And so we can show off like what... Like, you know, now we've got it local here. This is how I access it and SSH into it and show how you've got it set up with Docker and stuff like that. We've got to pause right now because old tech looks in the chat, man. And then I'm going to pause in there for a... Just freak out a little bit. OTPs in the chat, y'all. All right. How you doing? Yeah. All right. Okay, so if... We had some questions earlier. If you have any questions, give us a mention because we're going to do about five minutes of questions here. So if we can, you know, get five minutes worth of questions, give us some questions in the chat. So Phoenix Python has asked, what are your guys' favorite themes slash color schemes? First of all, rhymes. I'm 99% sure. I can guess this for both of us. Well, for you, I know Grubbox holds a special place in your heart. That's good. I didn't have to choose between... Dracula. Yeah, between Grubbox and Dracula, so good. But man, I can't choose one because I also like material ocean is really good. You know, arc, the arc theme, there's just like the general blue arc theme. Not a horrible... It's not my favorite, but it's really good. Like it's overused. So I don't use it anymore, but it's not bad. Nord also, really good, but again, overused. Really, it'd be easier to name the color schemes that I don't like. Like I don't like Solarized. Like I just can't stand Solarized. Dracula's the best. Okay, I'll tell you how we will see this, but we can go through and see my Dracula's color scheme. Yes, that's the Dracula color scheme that I have right now and it's so good. It looks so good. So, so good. So switching away from this will be hard, but eventually I will do it. So, yeah. CrazyChicken asked, I'm wondering when Zany will unironically try to use Plan 9 even though he probably won't be able to record videos on it. I won't unironically try Plan 9 because I couldn't do anything that I would want to do on a daily basis. I couldn't install a modern web browser. I could, I mean, if I wanted to edit text, I mean, Plan 9, go to it, brother. If I wanted to like, I don't even know. I highly doubt I could get a Gemini browser running in Plan 9. I mean, there's so many problems with that. So, no, that won't, that just won't happen. I'll stick to using stuff like, at least even an open BSD man, I could get Chromium installed. I could get Firefox installed. I can get any modern, not any modern browser, but I can get just about any. I want to see some other YouTuber do Plan 9 before I ever even considered trying it. And I want to, I don't want to seem to just install it. I want to see them use it like the, hey, Plan 9 is my daily driver. And I want that to be one of these people in the chat who actually wants to get us to do Plan 9 on, them to do it first. Okay, you first. Like, you want to jump off the bridge? Fine, I will follow you, but I'm not going first. It's just the Linux from scratch guys, LFS guys. Like the same thing. I did challenge people to find YouTubers to actually run LFS as their daily driver. And I actually did get some like responses. Like there are apparently some YouTubers out there that do run LFS, like as a daily driver, but. Those people. I know someone in my Discord installed, came over who it was, but they installed LFS, set it up and everything and used it for a while. I don't know if they're still on it or not. Oh, good Lord. Lewis asked Patreon to go for switching to Plan 9 for one week. How high? Look, I won't set a goal or anything, but if, and I mean, I'll know the intention of this one person, but if one single person gives me $50 for a month, then I will live like that one person, $50 alone for one person. You're such a rank amateur. You don't know how to set goals. If you're going to set these kind of goals where you don't want to do the thing that you're setting a goal to do, you have to set it, the bar so high. No one's going to give me 50 bucks, just one person to see me in Plan 9 for a week. There's one person out there that will probably give you $50, but... That came out of my mouth, and as soon as it did, I'm like, there's definitely going to be one person. There's going to be a person like, I might do it. I'm just... That's the reason why the Gen 2 goal I set for $350, because it just feels so unrealistic for me to get up there anytime soon. Like I can keep pushing into the future over and over again. Like I'm not probably not going to get up there. Well, look, I set it, so I mean it. One person, $50. Yes, I'll unironically run Plan 9 for a week. It'll be a terrible time. It'll be a lot of raging, I know for sure, but yeah, I'll do it. Okay, somebody's asking for your link, dude. I'm doing it right now. I'm so sending it out. I gotta, let's see. I gotta go to... The Patreon's so bad. No. No. No, this is going to be, this is going to be bad. I mean, I will very much appreciate the $50, but... Good luck. There are multiple people like I have $50, so I'm willing to waste on this. Good luck, y'all. Come on, dude. You're going to end up like a grand, you know? You have to figure out a way to live stream it, okay? Because I want to watch the pain and suffering. How about this? I will make the promise I have a tripod here with a phone mount. I will charge up my phone and I will do a live stream from my phone where you can see the entire computer and everything. And as long as my phone's charged up, I can go for quite a couple of hours or something pretty easy. I'll have my blue mic plugged into it, so we'll do that. Tyler's not going to get to a thousand subscribers, but he's going to have like $150, $300 a month on Patreon for at least one month. And I will go ahead and say this to just really dig my hole. I'll have to have another device for sure. There's no way I'll be able to do the podcast and stuff from it. But I'll figure that out in a later time. But just to dig my hole deeper, every single person that does $50 a month because I'm very appreciative of it, each of those donations counts as a week in plan nine. Oh, no, no, no, what's wrong with you, man? Don't, don't, no, no, no, so there you go. I am. This is such a bad idea. I'm not getting in. No, this does not apply. By the way, no, just this is not does not apply to me. You're like, you're like, you're like, look, the link in the description that says the Linux cast, that's mine. Don't go there. Don't give me your money. I don't want any of your money. I won't do it. Everybody in chat is like, yes, I will install Gentoo on my machine. I get to my, my Patreon goal. That's the, that's the minute I will do it. And I will, I will use Gentoo for a little while. Giving any time. Like I will install it on bare metal, metal, even if I'll do it. But I'm not doing it until that point. I've said this, I'm sticking to my guns. And I'm not going to be the Tyler Schiller. But you just give me 50 bucks. I'll go do it now. What is wrong with it? You're such an amateur. You could have said, give me 150 bucks for a month and I'll do it now. Like you could have had so much more money. What is wrong? Look, man, I say stuff, then regret it, but it ends up being fun. I don't know about plan nine that who knows, I might really like it. But you need to check your email because apparently it's done. No freaking way. Hold on, let me see. Patreon would have given me a notification. OK, I don't have. I literally just got it. I'm like, it literally just popped on my phone. But it's $50. Oh, my God. OK, I told you, man, you just. That's the funniest thing I will play. Play a nine year. I go, man, that's almost as funny as that distribution that I reviewed yesterday that didn't have a display manager because it had in Stardex actually worked. That that was so good. I cried laughing. I like I knew when I saw that TTY, I knew what was going to happen. I knew you were going to try Stardex. And I was like, oh, come on, man. I mean, it was either that or try to install like late DM or something like it just made sense to Stardex. It was just so funny because like in my head, I'm like, oh, man, no, he's going to try Stardex. It ain't going to work, man. And you go to Stardex and then it loads up and I start laughing. Then I hear you laughing, dude, like that was so good. Like I didn't. OK, because Stardex doesn't work when there when there's a display manager installed, Stardex just doesn't work because the X and NRC is, you know, has a different loop in it. So I would as in it was not expecting it to work. Like there's no in my head. I was like, I'm going to try this, but I'm going to look like a dumb ass because, of course, it's not going to work. And then I was like, wait, like a flash there for a second, like just like flash on the screen for just a second and just saw the cursor. Like, wait, did that work? And then it popped up deep in. I was like, what the fuck is this so, so, so stupid? I don't even it's so weird. I mean, just like I've never seen a just like a desktop environment based like distribution that didn't ship with a display manager. Like it is so weird. I'm like arch or gentoo or whatever. Everybody uses Stardex for those things out of the box because they don't come with display managers out of the box. But this I have so many things to say about that distribution. I cannot believe, like, I mean, I know you stated it throughout the video, which I just looked at chat and it just made me remember Joshua. Thank you very freaking much for that. I'll put that money to good use and we'll have some fun and play a night. But that distribution broke for for one. Like I have so many things to say about deep in like it looks nice, but it's it's Chinese based. And look, I don't have any problem with Chinese developers. I'm sure there's I'm sure there's a really good underground FOS movement in China, but the government is openly against it. And if you're a big project that has an international interaction, you better believe Chinese government. Oh, shunt in there. No, they they love FOS because they can put their stuff in and spy on you. Exactly, they love FOS, right? So but also that distribution, when you loaded it up, man, there was nothing about it that's like you if you put that on your computer and you were inside of the deep end desktop, you would have no idea that you're not using deep end. Yeah, I the only thing that they changed was the grub menu. Like they that was the only place that their name appeared was in the grub menu. So they they figured out how they loaded up the grub editor and they changed the name there. And literally everything else was was deep end. Now, they did add in some applications like PC man FM doesn't come with deep end, but it was there, right? But it was it was just really, really, really weird. And the thing is, it's not like I went and searched for oddest desktop, you know, or oddest distros that was on the front page of distro watch as one of their recently updated, you know, distros like apparently. And I mean, what cracked what cracked me up about the most about that is I for one, I love that series. Like that has to be a series that continues. That's so good. And two, it's it's a distribution of somebody who likes deep end and who learned how to make a grub thing. And then that's their distribution like. What they made they made so they they changed the name and the grub theme and they managed to make an ISO like they have an ISO there. And they're part of an organization that has a ton of different desktop or distributions. They have. I mean, we make fun of Debbie and for their website. That website was just awful. It was so bad. And I like it. I don't want to make fun of them because, you know, it's probably but the thing is, it sounds like they wanted to they're part of an official Swedish Linux society or something. You know, so I mean, good on them, but it was a really weird district. All right. OK, so let's move on to the last the last thing. Now that we've now that we made Tyler his money for a week. I say you should ask for more. I'm just I'm just I'm ashamed to know who you got. You've got to become a bigger shill than me. I'm just going to say I'm too cheap. I'll pay Matt $50 to install and run Slackware for a week. I need more than 50 bucks there, man. I'm I'm not I am not the cheap man that Tyler is. OK, that's for sure. He knows his price and his price is far. OK, me on the other hand, I come cheap or is just time. And once you once you get to the to the level of four thousand subscribers, you know, you got to be late, man. You got you know, you can't sell your soul for less than seventy five dollars. By the way, it still wasn't my price. I guess it's still way too I'm not doing it. All right. Anyways, every week, holy crap, we're this is going to be our longest episode ever. I hope you enjoy it. I will I for for the the recording of this thing, I will try to figure out a way to get the chat on screen. Somebody asked the last time we did a live stream for the chat on screen screen for the edited podcast, I will try. I don't know if I will succeed this time, but I'm working on it. OK. We'll figure that out next time. If I'm not a dumbass, I'll just switch to the freaking workspace that this is on and have all because OBS recorded. That'd be the easiest way to do that for when we were actually, you know, asking for questions and stuff. So but I didn't do that this time because, again, dumbass. We'll get better at streaming as we go on. It's the only the second time we've streamed podcast. We'll get better. Anyways, and I think I think YouTube has done a better job now. When you when you have the stream up, it's easier to see the chat there. OK, so in the next version of OBS, integrated chat streaming will be a thing that gets integrated into OBS. But we're not there yet. It was still on a release candidate the last time I checked. So that's still a couple of months away. But again, we'll figure it out. Anyway, so every week we come up with things like apps the week picks the week. We never know what to call them. So, Tyler, what is your pick of the week? My pick of the week here. And I hope he's in this live stream. He might not. But my pick is this fantastic DWM could call it rice or fork. Or it's really just it's really just someone's custom DWM setup. I'm calling it TPM DWM RYES because we're all about abbreviations here. And so TMP DWM RYES is, quite frankly, the best DWM setup you'll ever have. It's the most pretty DWM rice you've ever seen. And you'll find it over at gitlab.com slash smoig or SMEUEG because we never know how to say it slash DWM. And wish we had a picture. He doesn't have an image on his GitLab, which is just sad. So we're just going to have to imagine how pretty it is. I'm just, you know, yes. And if you do want to help him out here, just just download it, set it up or like run his good Lord, install his version of DWM and take a picture of your screen. And then just shoot it over here on this GitLab. You're like, hey, put this in your read me, man. There you go. Because it looks fantastic. Like I am not kidding. It looks amazing. It is a fantastic rice. If you're wanting to get into DWM and rice it and everything, but you, you, you don't like the fact that it doesn't come with, you know, some good patches out of the gate and it's not very, it's not very pretty right out of the box for you to customize it. Download this DWM rice right here. You're going to love it. The only thing that I will go ahead and give us a notice is make sure that you have material icons installed. I don't know if that's part of his read me here, but just make sure you got the material icons. So, well, your icons look right. Yeah, there are so many good DWM rice. I have four of them on my GitHub page. So, I'm not competing with this one, but there are so many. Oh, you're competing. You're competing with. There's one called Chad WM that is, I know the name is hilarious, but it uses the one dark theme. Oh, my God, it's so good. And I installed it, but it has some of the weirdest fucking key bindings just in the history of ever. And I wasn't going to go through and mess with them, but that guy did his own like DWM bar with like a script. Oh, it's so good looking. Oh, man, it was good. Yeah, it's good. Anyways, somebody said, wait until somebody pays you six hundred dollars for Hannah Montana Linux. If somebody wants to pay me six hundred dollars, I will use Hannah Montana Linux for a week. That and then my cheap ass over here. If any one person sends me a hundred dollars, I'll try out Hannah Montana Linux. You just don't, you're not doing it right, man. You're not doing it right. You got to up your standards just a little bit. Joshua said that Slackware, if Slackware is not worth not as hard as Gen Two, shouldn't be like three hundred dollars. I can't actually find the comment or something like that. I don't care. I'm an expensive bitch. All right, so my pick of the week, we really do got to wrap this up because it's supper time. So I've been looking for a like a streaming service where I could actually pay for a whole year and, you know, actually get a good discount. And these are ended up being the one that I chose that actually gave me a fairly good discount. I got a whole year for eighty nine bucks. And I wanted a streaming service because I got sick of trying to maintain my own playlists. And it's a, you know, a lazy man thing. But anyways, I didn't think that Deezer was ever going to be a really good option for me because they didn't have a very good Linux client. They had a web, you know, like a web app or whatever. And you could just, you know, use it on a web page. But somebody went through and created an app image that has a Deezer like application side of it and it's really actually not bad. It's still Electron. So I mean, it's it's just essentially the web app, right? Basically what it is. But it exists and it's separate from actually using it, you know, in the browser, which always bothers me because my browser windows go all over the place and I don't want to lose it. I just want to actually have an application that I can, you know, you know, use. So D mix, D mix, D E M I X dash GUI is really good. It's it is an app image for every other distro. But because the A U R is awesome, you can get it from the A U R. You have to worry about, you know, an app image. It's really good. It loads up really fast and it's really good. You can actually change themes and download songs. And it does everything that the web version does. And it's really good. Now, is it as good as the Spotify client? No, but I don't care because I never used the Spotify client. Anyways, now, if I could find a Deezer client for the terminal, I would literally be so thankful for that because I would love to be able to do that. But as far as I know, that doesn't exist yet. Hopefully it does because these are actually really good. The mobile app is just miles ahead better than Spotify is. So yeah, that is it for pics of the week. Definitely give those a check out all the links for all this stuff, the news, the the pics, the contact information will be in the show notes below, whether you're listening to audio or video, they'll be there somewhere where you can find them fairly easily. I always copy them over so they should work very well. Before I go, I'd like to take a moment to thank my current patrons. I don't have someone paying me fifty dollars to spend the pay nine, but then that would be not enough money. So before I go, Devon, Chris, East Coast Web, Gen 2 is fun to Marcus Magland, Sven Jackson, Ivan Tool, Joshua Lee, Mr. Joshua Lee, Moneybags, Mitchell, Arch Sinner, Merrick, Camp and J-Dog. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you next time.