 I love steak, and I sometimes get two, so any vegan who thinks they're making a difference isn't. So if I showed you some footage of a cow beaten decapitated... I would never watch that footage, and I wouldn't even accept to view the footage. The blind is on, as long as it tastes good. This whole entire world is blind. Think about Covid, mate. I'm not vaccinated at all. I don't have one jab, two jabs, or three jabs. With the animal situation, I am going to be blind to that, though. We respect you now, because they told me you were on the interview with Tristan yesterday. Oh, really? He is a legend. Don't you want to know what you're contributing to to these animals? Like, because you're literally eating a piece of their body. Like, if I see blood on a steak, that's when I don't like it, right? And that's so bad. Like a true carnival. The extreme, like, points that you try and make. You're vegan? I'm happy for you. So, I live in a live, right? Be happy for me. I am hypocritical. I am ignorant. I understand that. I agree with them. I know what you're going to say. Why don't you show me that? Why don't you f*** face the truth about what goes on to animals and act accordingly? What's going on, mate? Come sit down. Werb is original in my mouth. Werb is? But they're not vegan, bro. Are you going to sit down eating a knot? No, I have said that. I wasn't going to be a dick and bring a sausage roll, but my dick ended it. Oh, mate. You want to make me go viral? We respect you now, because he told me you were on the interview with Tristan yesterday or something. Oh, really? That's how we thought we'd make a sausage roll. Is that what I have to do to get respect? 100%! He is a legend. And you know, Tristan said that he won't eat meat like Pierce Morgan in front of me, so he had Guinness and cigars with Guinness as a vegan piece. Oh, nice. So, yeah, I know. Why aren't you vegans? The question, right? Yeah, basically. I'm just asking people why aren't they vegan. First of all, I would ask, because I don't know if you've seen the Tristan discussion, did you? No, I didn't. He literally told me. I just literally saw it on YouTube. Tristan literally doesn't care about animals. He basically draws a flat-line distinction. Animals, he said he don't really care how they're treated, treat them cruelly, whatever, but humans, he draws a distinction, right? So my question to you first would be, like, do you even care about the experience of animals? Yeah, of course, like, there's a tiny bit of sympathy for them, because I've got pets and so forth, not ones you eat like dogs unless you're in a foreign country. And I guess I took the distinction, like, put a ball, because I love steak. I absolutely love steak. Put a ball and a human next to each other, and it's like, which one would you shoot? Happily the ball. I would shoot them, not happily. Well, obviously not happily. Yeah, you're right, not happily. But you wouldn't think twice to shoot the ball. You're not going to shoot the human. It depends who the human is. If they're a piece of shit, I'm shooting them. Without question, if they're a pedo, whatever. Shoot them straight in the head. Blacks, I do the same. Yeah, exactly. Gotta find their history. All things held equal. A human being, they're not going to do anything egregious and evil over their life or whatever. A vacuum, a shuman and a ball. I'm shooting the shuman over the ball. I'm not going to kill the shuman, I'm going to keep them, because I believe that the shuman experience is a more valuable one than the cows. But I don't think that the cow's experience is less valuable than your taste buds. Yeah, fair enough. So all you have to do is believe that the cow matters more than trivial taste, their experience. I mean, like I said to you, the question is why aren't you vegan? That's why I thought I'd sit down, because I absolutely love steak, I love meat, and yeah, it's expensive. But let's say you have them days where you're a brokeie. Being a vegan is expensive, you can't even deny that. For example, if I'm out and about right now and I want to go to a restaurant that's vegan based, the prices of actual vegan food is much more expensive than if I'm a brokeie and I want to go McDonald's or KFC. You're weak, safe, bruh. Yeah, but I'm saying, I just said before, when I have my brokeie days, and everyone has them at times. Yeah, you're right, you did just say that. So I just think it's a more expensive choice. On your brokeie days, well it's not necessarily. The cheapest foods on earth per calorie are plant foods. So when you go to poorer countries, when they're in third world situations, like in the villages out in Thailand and you go in India, where it's rice, it's lentils, it's tofu, it's plant foods, it's bananas, they grow locally, it's greens. The cheapest food per calorie on earth is rice, right? You're right about that. I just got back from Thailand actually one week ago, so I don't mean to interrupt you, eight days ago actually, so I completely agree with the whole vegetables, fruits, they're so much more cheaper abroad. Take like someone who's living based myself, England, fruits, vegetables. You live in it around here? Oh, I live in Hertfordshire, which is 30 minutes away from here. Yeah, so basically, like I'm an activist, right? I'm not a capitalist and I generate much income, you know, really. It depends on how much we want to spend. So we're in London here and we go to a nice vegan restaurant that's like on the high street. It's going to be expensive. But we can go to Macca's right now and get for £3.50 a McLaren. I can get an extra patty for whatever it is, an extra pound or whatever. Could be cheaper than that. We can go to Burger King, we can go straight there. Burger King have got vegan burgers by the way. You can go to, you've got Ben and Jerry's there, they've got vegan ice cream in there. Bill and Talia's got pretty good vegan burgers. See, I guess you know all that info because like you said, you're a vegan so you know the good spots, but like for me, because I've never opened my mind to that area, I don't know where the good spots are and I guess I would. Sainsbury's, you can go into Audi, you can get like these vegan sandwiches and that. It just depends. So to be honest with you like, I'll be honest like, I guess with the whole discussion, I really say like, do you care about animals? But like, when you get down to the nitty gritty of it, everyone drinks and they know that that's bad for them. Everyone smokes and vapes, but they know that's bad for them. I guess everyone's just ignorant to the thought that we're all going to die one day, which to be honest with you, is true. And I always live every day as if it's my last. But you don't go doing bad things that cause immense suffering and killing to innocent beings because we're all going to die one day. I mean, you probably eat chickens, you probably eat peach, probably all under a mass produce. It's pretty, pretty, pretty. Eggs, dairy, fishing, all of that stuff. Like I see everything as a non-vegan, right? Most of the animals here are factory farm. The pigs, the chickens, the industrial fishing is filled with suffering. So factory farms do you agree that they're like morally wrong? Do I agree that? Yeah, cause do I agree that they're morally wrong? Do you know what a factory farm is? Tell me. We have an intensive unit, a massive shed. And they're like mass producing. And there's like up to 50,000 birds in a shed and the chickens grow really fast. About 40 days old, they are little chicks, but they're in an overgrown body. Just move off the line. You can stand here if you want. Do you want to listen? Yeah, I can stand here. Are you guys me good? No. No, no, he's not, but I am. You can come in and the discussion after. What's that, bro? Well, that's why we're having a discussion. You love me? It is lovely. Jump on the discussion after if you want. Do you want to jump in? How old? He's probably a bit young. He's probably a bit young. All them love bites on his neck. You see that, bro? He's been high. This is when I was 14. No. So rude. He's having a big one. I get what you're saying. Do I agree with it? Do you know what? Would anyone really, if you showed everyone, like I've seen all the protests that they used to do, the anonymous ones where they wore the masks and showed the TVs. Yeah, for sure. And especially when I was in Sweden, I see them all doing it, standing in a circle. What's on the screen? When you look at a screen, is that wrong? Of course that's wrong, but do I look into it? No, I am ignorant to the fact that I just disconnect from it. I don't look into it because if I do look into it, then I probably would be vegan. Because when I see like a pig hanging on a roaster, that puts me off. But do I love bacon when it's in the strips? It tastes good. 100%. Well, I used to eat all animal products for 26 years. I'd go to the butcher, get teabones cut off of the side of the cow. How do you feel now? Like how are you feeling? I feel good. Like obviously you've had a phase, so I don't mean to interrupt you. You've had a phase where you weren't vegan and now obviously you've been vegan for 10 years. When I first went vegan, I went really healthy vegan and I also got sober at the same time because I was in gangs, I was on drugs. I went to prison, I got sober in prison and then when I come out, I become vegan, right? Yeah. And I was getting eating high raw food, like lots of fruit, cycling, things like that. I was doing heaps of stuff on my just physical mental health. But now I just feel like I'm normal dude, like I mean... But you feel better, healthier, just feel... And now I've been vegan nearly 10 years, bro. So now you just like it's just the natural, it's the normal. It's the normal. I'm so curious about how you felt at the start. At the start, I was like, I'll tell you a story. When I was not vegan I chewed like green juices and that. I was like I was on drugs because I just hadn't given myself like nutrition. Yeah. Like you probably wouldn't see much and feel much of a difference and it's not really even about that. Like it's about like feeling better in your conscience about not doing that to animals when you've got a choice. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Like I guess I could be open minded to it and I'm an open minded person. But again, I'll just be ignorant and play ignorance and continue to... Yeah. Because it is good, man. Like of course you've transitioned and you have a good healthy lifestyle but there's nothing better than going to a good steak house. There's nothing better than having certain meats that are good on a roast dinner. Well there's heaps better than things than that in life. Yeah, of course. Like I guess because you're saving them. Family experiences. Food. Everyone's got to eat. Yeah. So food wise would I rather choose fruit, veg and like obviously your alternatives because like your vegan burgers. I don't. Fruit and veg are not the first thing I'll go to when I'm hungry. For sure. But like... I'll go for a burger, a big sandwich, a meal with rice or tofu but my question to you is like I had an animal right here and a knife and you were looking at this animal and I'm like I'm going to cut this animal's head off so you can have a f***ing steak right now. Would you be like this is one of the best things in the world, man. Nothing better than a good steak. Like dude, I don't know man. I guess like when you come to here talking about veganism you've always got to mention animals because that's what we're eating animals. But I don't like when people jump straight to the point of if I was here with an animal with a knife today it's just like not how you approach the situation. Of course not. Like I said I just blinded it and played ignorance. Well you do. But like when you cook that steak and you put it on a plate it looks a lot better than how the ball looks standing there. You know what I mean? Yeah because it's completely removed from what it once was and it's a piece of flesh. Like you've only ever known this world. You've only ever known this reality. You've only ever known a reality where meat is normal to eat. You only ever know that steak is like food. But when you like wake up from that reality and realise how it got to the plate you're like that's actually a piece of someone who's got a diet, struggled in a slaughterhouse. That's a piece of their body. It's not a steak. It's not food. That was then. A hundred years ago how many people do you think were vegan now? Because the way the things have transitioned and how it's moved into such huge marketing and everyone's turning vegan like fair enough I respect anyone who's vegan like you fair play mate you know what fair play to if you're healthier you're happier you do you and it's just like anyone who's you know trans or whatever you do you I'm happy for you and that but anyone who just tries I disagree because let's talk about that like you do you you're vegan I'm happy for you so live and let live right be happy for me live and let live right exactly if you want to go and create the demand for animals to be slaughtered against their will and eaten you're allowed to do that if I want to not I should be allowed to do that and we shouldn't ever like live and let live we shouldn't interfere with anyone's life when you put it like that you try to make it sound bad because that is the reality I agree I'm going to get all the vegans at me now but yeah how are you to continue that supply chain without ever making you feel guilty about it and ever speaking up for the animals when you say live and let live what about their right to live what about the animals right to live I care about animals to an extent but humans come first always humans always come first but does that mean animals should have to be murdered for us just because humans come first but it's just part of the life cycle just because we come first right does that mean we're allowed to stab animals to death does that give us the right to kill us first out of a sinking boat and then grab the animals next right in that situation sure sure sure but I'm saying does that justify us murdering animals to eat them just because we come first because that's a big jump then that's an infinite holocaust of animals because we come first yeah but bro it's part of the life cycle like humans for however many years and hundreds and thousands of years have eaten meat so why change the cycle now because everyone's starting to talk up about things and oh we should be vegan like who was standing here on a discussion probably someone like 200 years ago probably someone like William Shakespeare talking about veganism Shakespeare plays about veganism do you see the point I'm also trying to make as well like I mean I don't even if there was no vegans even if I was the only vegan on earth that has ever existed I want to analyze the validity of what I'm saying so do you think live and let live is really live and let live when we are murdering animals we're not really let them live are we I just think think about everything that's going on in the world everything that's going on there's so much bad in the world right so for me to just enjoy eating a bit of meat in a restaurant I'm not doing worse things than some other people I mean of course there's people that are doing there might be people doing worse they might be eating meat and raping and murdering entire villagers worth of people but like don't get me wrong I'm listening to what you're saying and I'm so open minded I am trying to be I'm just asking if it's justifiable right like you get a bit of taste out of eating a steak you really like eating steak there's a lot of things we really like to do I mean you could think of a lot of immoral gain a lot of pleasure from that actually and let's just say we scaled up your pleasure like let's just say we scaled up your pleasure 20 times it was 20 times more tasty to shoot an innocent person in the head and eat them 20 times more tasty when no one's ever eating humans I mean you've got your cannibalism in that one wouldn't make it justified because you really like the taste the extreme like points that you try and make like when you're trying to like it's always like what if I was standing here with a ball to a knife to a knife you want exactly that's never going to happen you're never going to bring a ball to a knife to their neck it's just a hypothetical I know what you're saying it is like to get people to think hypotheticals are really good to test your moral view no you're right and there's no other way I can't actually kill a cow and go how do you feel about that so we can say how would you feel about this situation over there like everyone uses hypotheticals until they don't like them when they start to uncover something about their moral view that's inconsistent sure and I'll say we use them all the time like if I see blood on a steak that's when I don't like it right and that's so bad he hates that no well and if so I've had a knife and an animal here and then it's chilling I wouldn't like that of course not unless it was the bull I love steak I see that yeah and I saw you like slicing the neck they're usually young they're about two years old no I wouldn't like that of course I still have a heart I don't want to see someone get killed you have a heart I would potentially in the future turn vegan one day maybe but right now I'm enjoying meat too much so if I showed you some footage of a cow being decapitated I would never watch that footage I wouldn't even accept because just like people watch certain things about why you shouldn't eat McDonald's I just won't watch it because in the meantime for the short term enjoyment of it I'll take it you know don't you want to know what you're contributing to to these animals because you're literally eating a piece of their body don't you want to know how that come about like it's really just slaughterhouse plate or raised in some horrible way experienced a slaughterhouse plate it's like a pretty close connection in the supply chain it's like bang bang it's right there you're going to know what happened to that animal in order for you to eat them as long as it tastes good like I don't really like I don't do that as long as it tastes good everything this whole entire world is blind think about covid mate a test for everyone's compliance 99% of people pass that and comply the 1% that didn't comply were the people that actually had a bit of sense in their mind just like here it's all about like blind blind blind I'm going to choose what I'm going to be blind in did I comply during covid certain things you're making an analogy about blind no you are you're making an analogy about this certain context where we're ignorant to certain implications exactly like there's certain things I'll be ignorant to like for example did I comply during covid to the majority of it no did I fly abroad to avoid any parts of where I had to try and abide by the law am I vaccinated I'm not vaccinated at all I don't have one jab two jabs or three jabs and so okay with the animal situation I am going to be blind to that though like I could open my mind if I open my mind I'd be vegan if you're not vaccinated you might have come across some kind of media that persuaded you of some kind of fact therefore you you enlightened yourself whether we disagree or agree on vaccination sure sure sure you enlightened yourself in some way and you made a decision based off that knowledge exactly and then you acted on that exactly for sure just like if you were to give me that information I know you're going to say why don't you show me that why don't you face the truth about what goes on to animals and act accordingly because I think you're stuck in comfortable you're stuck in comfort and it's better to be comfortably unaware blissfully unaware there's actually blissfully ignorant there's a phrase there's so many things people do they don't face the truth there's so many people and I'll choose the one thing I won't choose to face the truth on not the thing you do three times a day is the way they slaughter so you have a problem with the way they slaughter if you're talking about mass slaughterhouses like you already said I haven't viewed videos on it and so forth but if it's a mass slaughterhouse nothing's ever going to be good from that right if it's mass production you know that and I'll agree with you on that because if they're mass producing they're not going to have any due diligence or care for the animals exactly right you want to hear that part but it won't change for my view otherwise it's a fantasy people think that you're still going to use that I will but there's nothing that we do that is as evil in terms of morality there's nothing on earth that even comes close to what we do to animals the holocaust it's not as evil as killing animals I mean in terms of individuals obviously I believe numbers fair enough I believe a human being's life is more valuable and that a holocaust affects the whole human race and causes a bunch of like knock-on generational suffering and of course so maybe there's a few things that in terms of numbers are more cruel when we start scaling up numbers of animals and even if it depends on how many animals is worth a human life even if you believed 100 cows or 100 pigs were worth a human life the experience of 100 pigs was worth the suffering of one human right we have outnumbered the amount of suffering any human being has ever experienced in any atrocity by a billion by now if you just look at the sheer number of animals we're killing so we've got like between 1 in 3 trillion marine animals every single year and 80 billion land animals every single year most of whom will be factory farm experienced suffering their entire life and be executed all the fish are dragged out the ocean suffer on a deck of a boat before they're executed so that's every single year and we're talking about how many years how many years you start scaling down the number a little bit each year because we've grown to this number but this has happened since we've been enslaving animals so let's talk about this you've got the knowledge you've got the knowledge how many people have ever existed in history I couldn't tell you that fact do you know that fact just over a hundred billion just over a hundred billion that's a lot of human beings well we kill more animals in about four or five weeks than the number of humans that have ever existed in history that is a pretty wild fact okay you've done that due to Dylan's knowledge right in five weeks but steak is good mate steak is so good stuck it up on the screen it's good okay maybe it doesn't justify it but we're like sex feels really good but rape is evil it doesn't justify a rape well that steak tastes good but murder is that are we really going with that analogy sex feels good but rape is evil steak tastes good I'm not going to deny you so you say steak is good but murder is wrong yeah of course so yes the animal products taste good but what happened in order to get those animal products is wrong I'm talking about what about vegan meat so you can still get the meat it might not taste like exactly like a steak but you can get vegan burgers you can get vegan chicken you want ice cream this and that so you get the same taste there might be a little bit less at the start but I still don't think that extra bit of pleasure justifies what happens to animals so you get that bit of pleasure you still get your ice cream but vegan versions and don't get that evil mass genocide of animals on top of it yeah fair enough but I think for me personally like I do you know what you've got some very good points and I like what you're trying to do here you know like talking to people trying to open their minds show them the clips because I am exactly I am and that I agree with that some people oh I'm not like Jeremy now we're all defensive show me that clip you'll probably turn me vegan but I f***ing love meat and I will continue to enjoy it because I just think I like to alright I'm not trying to go back and do history repeats itself but for hundreds and hundreds of years people have eaten meat so I won't change the process of life and the whole system that they've got going on simple because you love steak because you got a dog in the game I love steak and I sometimes get two so any vegan who thinks they're you were going so good no I just wanted to say that it's not true just to piss someone off because I know how annoyed people get on the internet that was a joke I can't even finish one steak usually because I was going to come I was going to come on here with this really close minded approach and be a bit of a dick but do you know what this guy he's going to try and show me the video now this is the animal being decapitated this is a sheep that sheep what meat what are we getting out of the sheep lamb oh yeah lamb sorry mate you don't eat lamb guy to be fair where's the cow honestly where's the cow being decapitated where's the cows where's the cows yeah mate that this is leather this is India leather industry yeah okay so I was just showing here yeah of course that's disgusting like if I no one's going to watch Sango yeah one sec I'm still not going to watch Sango I love steak so this cow here is trying to escape yeah so they're terrified oh sure yeah yeah so that look like that's bad man does that look like food like I said if I see a pig that's been banged upside down on a roaster I would never eat it a bolt gun in the skull I'm hypocritical this one's still like most people in the world kind of like and then they get their head cut off yeah that's this is another one trying to escape terrified they don't want to die is this the mass production for no just a sound I actually did a I actually investigated a family run slaughterhouse myself oh you don't yourself yeah I investigated a stalker camera in the roof and yeah cows come in they smell blood because they got a good sense of smell they think what the f*** going on one of the cows like nuzzled off the stun gun nuzzled it off before the guy come in so I think they're like freaking out like what is that why am I stuck in this cage and one cow like was so terrified they ripped their own horns off and their horns dropped on the floor trying to escape yeah and the guy grabs him by the face shoots him in the head cuts their head off throws their head across the floor I've got a question sorry I'm listening to that obviously that's the standard it's standard probably after you've done your indulged research and deep diving because obviously I haven't done that kind of deep diving but for yourself what's your goal to turn the whole world vegan to get animals right because I don't think people like yourself you're not going to change are you no of course not just like anyone who says oh I want to quit smoking they still won't quit smoking I want to quit drinking everyone knows drinking everyone knows drinking is bad for them you know what I mean strength mindset in certain areas I've got strength mental strength yeah man like I'm all for building things you know I like developing things I've got a great strength in mindset you know but just because I enjoy steak it doesn't mean that someone's weak because they I choose not to look into it of course people will support you because you've got a vegan audience you know but like I've got a strong mindset like just because someone's not vegan it doesn't mean they're weak I mean what about all the people that have built absolutely substantial amazing businesses that have scaled to great performances congratulations that's strength isn't it good good but I'm saying you care about animals being decapitated but you don't want to stop because you like to taste and they want to change I care about the human the most like I said put a human put an animal which one do I shoot first straight away to human okay you said oh yeah straight away to the animal correct that straight away to the animal yeah of course even though you eat animals if there was a cow here and a choice between you too then I would begrudgingly and sadly kill the cow because I hope that you would change yeah and I hope that if I did choose the cow that you would change how about this imagine if it was a hypothetical where you better f*** off eating animals or exactly what happens to the animals happens to you and your family and every single person but that would never happen in any world in any realm but you know humans are I'm just trying to get you to understand the difference of perspective with human beings when they're the victims because as soon as human beings are the victims of some great atrocity it's remembered forever even if it's a smaller yeah I'm not saying they don't but I'm just saying we're massive hypocrites because when we're the victims we are I'm a hypocrite if you were being in prison tortured bashed gun to your head about to die you'd be thinking f*** I don't know how the cows feel but because you're comfortable you have rights it's okay to be the victimizer because they won't have rights in your lifetime so you'll get away with it and you'll die and get away with it and the only thing holding you to account is your own conscience like I said to you there's a certain points in my brain that I don't open my mind to an access research and looked into it more and maybe I would be vegan you can't teach people acting on their conscience you can't teach her of course I guess you have to choose to do that right you can't learn that then yeah of course is this right or wrong am I justified in doing this do I care more about my taste than this f***ing cow being decapitated in fear you know yeah when you say it like that of course gets you thinking for sure but um yeah man it's been a pleasure I mean I can't stay forever you know and my boys meet my boys in London so what's your name man Nick what's your name Joey nice to meet you bro it's been good chatting I mean look I'm sure some people come on here and they get all beefy you're cool bro I could have come on here you're easy man you're cool you're easy you were like a easygoing man is what I mean cheers brother cheers brother take care check out that interview as well cause I didn't check out my friend just showed me what Tate yeah but we were more of a discussion less of a debate but he said that because sharks eat me he doesn't really care you know animals all each other and rape each other too so but Tristan's just doesn't care but you kind of do yeah man it's a bit different anyway I'll probably post I'll post the discussion on my Instagram get some people riled up oh mate I do social media full time I do I make pranks and gloves on TikTok I've got 5 million followers yeah so that's what I'm here to do I need to go film some pranks and gloves I didn't know that I'm sure that's why you're so easy going and good on camera 100% you know I have other things 100% of my audience are vegan 50,000 are going to come at me you know soft you should have been hard Tristan and Tate alright mate nice meeting you mate I didn't know he has like 5 million followers dude