 Welcome to Toffy TV to the Daily Extra. We bring you the stories behind the stories, behind the stories actually sounds better. So give it a like. It doesn't really matter out of the way. No, it's the Daily Extra. It's the Daily Extra. We brought to you yesterday in the Everton News Daily that Chris Cavernet would be the referee for the Merseyside Derby. The 232nd Merseyside Derby at Anfield on Sunday. Oh, that's four kick-off. Now, this guy, he's a rookie. He's a rookie. He goes against the rules. He's a rookie. He's a rookie. And then he went early with what he did. No, let's leave that. Yeah. Just, just. I mean, it's good that you're doing my favourite subject on the Daily Extra. What referee? No, I must say I love referee. Rookie, though. 12 games, 33 yellow cards, one red card. Have we only had them once? We've had them once in the Carabao Cup defeat against Southland. Well, say defeat. Draw. Lost on penalties. We've just even lost on penalties. The night we have bar, the night that Richard Ellison looked as though he may have had two penalties and didn't have either. The irony is Southampton have got out of the league cup on penalties and had a gold disalad because of, oh, so there you go. So Mark, huge. There you go. Yeah, we've had them once. Liverpool had them once this season as well. They in their home win over Brighton. He was there. We're always moaning about referees. Satan referees. Satan referees that can't keep up. Satan referees that will fit. Just Satan referees being crap. So does it make a difference that this guy hasn't got experience? This guy is fresh to it. That this guy is, you know, he's only young. He's only new. He's going into a Mayside Derby with fresh eyes. We all craved that freshness in the dark. We were open our players saying it with a fresh attitude and it's not the same old, same old. So do you think it actually might be a benefit that we have a, you know, a referee that doesn't have the pre-existing issues that some mothers do? Maybe. Maybe. I mean, I suppose it depends what he's sold to do by the family. If he's sold to ensure Liverpool will win, then it'll be difficult. I don't think that's happened, but I don't think anyone's told to let a team win. I can't say that it don't. Someone doesn't say something, but I don't think it's all to favour teams. Let's be honest. But yeah, mate, listen, if you don't believe that, then that's fine, but I think there's enough stuff that goes on which lends a fair amount of weight to the fact that these clubs get more decisions than any other, and it's because they're instructed to, because of the brands, but not them ourselves, obviously. But on another note, to cover your question, I suppose, in a way that I should. Yeah, probably the fact that he hasn't had Derby's before, you know, we had a knobhead, did meet the Rodwell Derby, we've had him a few times for Derby, a second somebody should never have been given more than one. You know, we've had the same old, same old for Derby. I mean, it comes down to players at the end of the day, doesn't it? Let's be honest, we can go on about referees. I mean, the fact is we've only had... I've got every week you moan about referees, and you're saying it's going to have players. I'm sure I'm about the Derby. No, I hate referees. I do hate referees. The only one of things being decent, I thought it was Kevin Friend. He was a weekend then, everyone was moaning that he should have sent Georgina off, which he should have. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's... We've had two penalties there in 80 years, you know, when one was last year, and then three weeks later, we had them in the FA caught in the gut even though, because Lilana's quite clearly wasn't a penalty. So it might be good that he's not someone who's had this game a few times, but then other people might argue that he's experienced enough to have a game. Experience for what though? Last year's barbie, Gwda Sumparch, had no yellow cards, though I know that's not the norm, but you've got two teams that, well, I look at from our point of view, and I just think who honestly is going to cause a kick-off for my team? And the answer is maybe the Charleston by falling over.