 image or self-image, those kind of thoughts? Well, the way that the whole world was set up, as we said, all time and space was set up as kind of an identity substitution. It's like a mask is set up, and the mask is very shaky, no matter how anyone tries to convince themselves or anyone else that they're confident in their body image or confident in their world or confident in the state of the world or whatever. It's a shaky mask that has very, very shaky underpinnings, even the deeper you go down when you start to let the mask fall. Jesus says in the Course that it's like everyone is kind of like making a list, counting all the pros and the good things in their life to offset these negative feelings around many things, the body, intelligence, and all kinds of different things. So it's like everyone makes a list of the pros to try to offset the cons. And the whole spiritual journey is getting down more and more to the point where you have to start to see pretty much the relevance of this mask, regardless of how the mask is or how the mask was built or whatever. You start to get down to some of those underpinnings and realizing it takes a lot of mind energy to hold this mask up, to hold this presentation to the world in terms of a certain way. And I touched on it briefly when we watched that movie, The Butterfly Effect, about not trying to change the world. And I was asking everybody, has anyone had any thoughts of losing weight, which is kind of an overt example of trying to change the form, or gaining weight even, if the mind is convinced the body is too thin to gain weight, to lose weight, or whatever. Those are just all tricks of the ego, kind of like saying, well, if I could just change this thing or that thing, I know it would be much better. I would feel much better about myself if I weighed this much, or it's where people come up with concepts like ideal weight, what's your ideal weight, and then what are you supposed to do? Spend your time watching calories and dipping, you know, like an airplane is flying and flying off course, and constantly hoping to try to correct and hit that ideal. And it's really just, it seems like an endless pursuit, you know, to try to put energy and thought in that way. But the ego is a genius at trying to keep the mind distracted away from going in. It can be a huge, huge distraction. And it's the guilt, you know, when it comes to food as well, you know, the guilt that comes with eating all the bad foods, for example. Just a huge distraction. Therefore, putting on weight, and yeah, therefore feeling bad again when the pants not fit, and just huge distraction. Yep, yeah, I was at the London conference, and I was in the speaker's room, this blue room, and they'd bring us a meal, and then they'd bring us a tray of teas and cookies, and then my friend, who was going to be a speaker apparently, she's really watching, watching, watching weighed in calories, because she looked down, and I took a stack of three chocolate chip cookies, because I often do. And she just looked, and she went, she looked at the tray, and she said, I'm going to do it. She looked around at all the other speakers, and she said, I don't ever eat chocolate chip cookies. Almost like that was on her no, no eat list. And she said, I'm going to take it. She reached down, she took, this big, these were like little chocolate chip cookies, and she took one, and she said, I'm going to have a chocolate chip cookie. Almost like I'm breaking the pattern, so there had to be something underneath it. But how the mind can get so rigid with itself down to taking the cookie and eating it or not, you know, based on everything. And actually, we were talking about it when we were in there, Noelle has a whole philosophy about how body weight has absolutely, positively no connection to food intake whatsoever. And then, what am I hungering for? I mean, that was literally starting off with food, weight, and body concept images, and then taking it, taking the dive down, down, down deep into what is this thing that's unquenched, you know, that I really am deeply, deeply desiring, and so it's beautiful. And some people do it with terminal illnesses, or, you know, there's, there's so many different ways where you can, where you notice a sense of unfulfillment, fulfillment and a sense of a yearning in quest, and then you just authentically and honestly start to question, what is it that I'm really after? And that takes you right into this journey. What do I really want?