 Hey everybody. Welcome to the Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt. I'm joined by Martin. How you doing, Martin? Hi, Matt. You all right? Yes. I'm doing Happy New Year. It's 2021. Happy New Year. If you say High Insight is 2020, I'm going to forget your name or something. I don't know. It's horrible. I cannot believe how many times I've seen that joke on Twitter. It's just horrible. Wait, isn't even a joke? Is it really? Let's face it. Things can only get better. Well, I mean, we hope that that's true. We thought that after 2019 was a dumpster fire, and then 2020 came along and said, suckers. Yeah, so it should be better. So we're back after a small brief hiatus for the holiday period. Martin and I had a good holiday season. Now, normal Linux podcast would do not tutorial predictions, right? We're not going to do that because, Martin, I don't know, do you agree with this statement? You and I actually don't know anything. We don't know what's coming in the Linux. Why would we predict something? It'd be silly. So we can't predict that this is going to be the year of the Linux desktop, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. Well, every year the year of the Linux desktop, it seems pedestrian, right? All right. So instead of doing predictions, what we're going to do is just a normal show. So we're going to start off with our usual, what have you been doing in Linux this week or the last couple of weeks? Martin, what have you been doing? Yeah, so I'd actually built and updated my kernel for the first time in KDE Neon to 5.10 LTS. All went fine. It took a fair while to do, though, but but a settling down for Christmas, so I decided to play some games whether you've ever played that Jackpock's Party Pack. Is that like, you don't know Jack or something? Yeah, I think it's something similar. So basically, you put it on your computer screen, you'll join in using your tablets and your mobile devices, ask it, answer questions, do silly stuff. So I decided to give that a go because I'm adding a more steam library for years and years. All went well. So I streamed it on my NVIDIA device. I set up Steam link, streamed it from Linux, no problem. Somehow it knocked out my secondary monitor. So I thought, oh, it's all well, it'll kick back in when I reboot. Nothing, couldn't get it working. So Newton paved and installed your favorite distro, which is? You installed Arch? Yep, got it in one. I installed Linux Mint 20.1 beta. And guess what? The same thing happened. You should have installed Arch, is what I said. Oh, well, it would have obviously worked straight away then. Now definitely. I don't know. I can't put it down to user error for it to go like that on a clean install. So it just gave me a quick excuse to do a quick distro hop throughout the holiday season. So I'm currently trying out FerradOS. And any further streaming I'll be doing for my windows, well, my main rig in the front room. How about you? What have you been up to over this break? All right. So I've been doing a ton of just nerdy stuff. So I've been messing around with my Neo Vim config. So originally, I probably about four episodes ago, I recommended a Neo Vim config from just some guy on the internet. And that's what I've been using for a while. But I find it was way too complicated. And it had a whole bunch of stuff that was meant for like coders and stuff. And I'm not a coder, not even a little bit. I do a little bit of HTML and CSS stuff, but mostly just to mess around with stuff on my system. So I just completely uninstalled that and just decided to build my own from scratch. And that's what I've been doing. I even did a couple of videos on it on the channel. But it's just something to do to make it simple. And there's always something that kind of makes you feel better when you do something yourself other than steal something up other people's stuff. So that's basically what I've been doing. I've been messing around with some Firefox layouts and stuff, but that's mostly just me being completely bored over the holiday season. So I don't know. I have been waffling over the idea that maybe I want to try a different distro. I've got that itch you get kind of when you want a distro hop. And I'm like, oh, but my distro right now is working so well. And I've had it for so long. You know, Martin, here's something. I've never had a distro install long enough for the kernel to go out of date. Never. Until this time. Usually I distro hop so much. I mean, I don't ever have to worry about the distro being unsupported or the kernel being unsupported. This time I am. I'm on the last 4.9 kernel and it's, you know, just went out of support. And I'm going to have to do what you did with the 5.10 here eventually. And I've never had to do that before. So I'm going to have to learn how to do it. It's going to be kind of fun. That'll probably be my chore for this week to figure out how to do that. Sorry. There's ArchBang Linux that came out the other day. Distro Watch ArchBang Linux. Lightway distribution based on Arch Linux using the i3 window manager. It's fast up to date. It's suitable for both desktop and portable systems. I think I've seen it before. I don't think I've ever tried it. I might have to give it a look. I know there was another one that I wanted to try out. It was like Heftor or something like that. It's based on ARCA, which I use now, but it's supposedly aesthetically pleasing or something. I don't know. I'm thinking about just if I do end up going through and hopping to a different distro, I'll probably just go ahead and see if I can actually install Arch again, like actually playing Arch. And then there's that crazy little voice in the back of my mind that says, Hey, Matt, why don't you learn how to install Gentoo? And I'm trying to beat that down with a stick because I watched a couple of Mental Outlaws video where he talks about how to install Gentoo. It can't be that hard. I can do it. I'm so going to fail. Anyway, as long as the videos are, it's like part one of 10 and they're like 45 minutes long each. Well, then you always have to, I mean, you have to build all of your packages on Gentoo, right? So as much as that sounds like a nerd's dream, it also sounds like a big pain, you know, but yes, I don't know. More on that news to come. I'm sure I'll probably distro hop eventually. I can't help myself anyway. So if you want to, so let's jump into the contact info. If you want to get in contact with us, you can do so. We're available on Twitter in multiple places. You can follow the podcast itself on Linux at the Linux. That made no sense at all. You can follow the podcast on Twitter at the Linux cast. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at MTWB Martin's Martin Twitter. 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So I mean there are apparently a few lunatics out there. Anyways. You do cover niche areas. It isn't like news. I mean they'll just carry on attractive votes. It's not like up to the minute, oh this is the brand new sparkly distro of the flavour of the day. I mean you're covering Veeam and things like that and your configs. So they're getting it over time. Well I'm not expecting to go. I'm not expecting to be like Linus Tech Tips. I don't have his charisma or his topic. Or his beard. Does he shave that off now? Yeah I shaved my neck beard off. I'm not going to regret it and I'll take forever because I just not grow facial hair well. It comes in patchy. And anyways, let's jump into our news of the week. So Martin, what was the news that you picked this week? Yes it's from 9 to 4 of Linux and KDE will make Plasma Weiland ready for the masses in 2021. So he said is Weiland actually going to be ready now? There we go. Anyway so KDE developed for Nat Graham. Shared KDE's roadmap for 2021. Scanning through one of the main points he said is I'll be honest before 2020 the Plasma Weiland session felt like a mess to me. Nothing worked properly. But all of these challenges in 2020 suddenly things started working properly. I expect the trend of serious concentrated Weiland work to continue in 2021. So there's been improving various things up ahead. So we've got fingerprint support if you're into that sort of thing. It'll work with lock screens, chaos, polkit etc. as well finishing up the brief evolution theme. And I think a lot of people are happy in replacing the kickoff application launcher. Just makes you look at that little bit nicer. And just some general tweaks really. That's the only thing that really had popped out at me in the news. How about yourself? What did you catch? Well just kind of on that topic there. Oh sorry. That's fine. You know I've never actually used Weiland outside of Fedora. But I was reading earlier this week that they had because always the big I mean they've done a really good job of getting the Linux stuff kind of work on Linux on on Weiland. But it was always kind of gaming that was being held back. But there was something that was released this week. Some kind of extension for proton or whatever that will allow more steam games to run on Weiland without using X Weiland. And that's a big deal. I mean that's just I mean gaming has become such an important thing of people you know to do on Linux. You know if you're going to have a different display server you're going to actually need to be able to run that kind of stuff neighborly. And now that that is possible. Weiland is going to be big I think. It's going to be interesting. You know because I'm a window manager guy right. It'd be interesting to see. I mean this is talk about niche. It's going to be interesting to see what window managers do for you know to go to transition over to the Weiland. I3 has already done it this way. There's like a DWM version that works in in Weiland but it's not supported anymore. So some of the like open box and even the ones that the desktop environments use like Mudder and like Compas for Mate Mate Mate or whatever. Those are going to be really interesting to see how they they port those over because you know the way the Weiland server or the display server in Weiland you know talks to things it's completely different. Yeah to the interest as well as with all the leaps and bounds KG is doing is with the Pine phone and see how all this fingerprint I'm guessing the fingerprint support and things like that's there are enough phones and maybe some major branding with this. I don't think the Pine phone has got fingerprint sensors obviously like you think pants and stuff like that has but maybe it's one for the future definitely fingerprints at the end of the day. It's what I use on my Android phone to keep it nice and safe. So yeah looking good. All right so mine was that Deepin Linux 20.1 was released this last this last week I think it was and mostly with improved performance and some tweaks to the desktop settings behavior and stuff and I actually have a video on this coming out tomorrow but I will say this it's very pretty but it has the weirdest way of partitioning hard drives. It's not a small install is it? Oh no so first so first of all it requires 64 gigabytes of storage I mean like every other Linux distro out there will requires like 25 or so and it's not like a it's not like something like say hey you only have 25 gigabytes to install we're not gonna install at all. Deepin won't install unless you have 65 and they recommend or they recommend 128 and most people that's gonna be fine because you're gonna be installing on hard drive but when you're installing in a virtual machine it's kind of you know because I'm just used to giving it 25 gigabytes and saying hey this is gonna be perfectly fine. All right so that was the first thing. So I get you know I set it up it said you know 60 you know 65 gigabytes or whatever 64 gigabytes so I had to recreate the machine and I get it installed with you know with a 75 gigabyte disk and the way I partitioned it so it gave me two 15 gigabyte partitions, two 11 gigabyte partitions, a 22 gigabyte partition and then like a blank SDA2 partition that actually contained off the four you know other partitions but there was like 30 gigabytes or something like that that you just completely don't have access to it all like and then you know it's not like it's not like that's where it was storing the root partition the root partition was on the 22 gigabyte partition that there was a 15 and 11 that was just completely inaccessible. I think it could be for some snapshots or system backups two system backups maybe. The 111 gigabyte partition was for backups and you know at first I thought it was like you know well you know maybe they're using some file system that's like you know butterfs or zfs or something you know I mean you know that could be weird because you know I've never used those before so maybe that's just what it does. No it was using ext4 so it's just as if their file system had some awesome snapshot capability or whatever it's just ext4 which existed for the last 20 years and has nothing special about it and then I thought maybe well you want to know maybe because I'm installing this in a virtual machine maybe it does something weird with the EFI and UEFI stuff because when you're installing you know UEFI stuff it creates that one minuscule partition and then several other ones you know that's because it's weird right I mean if that's the case it's it's very weird that it kind of put it all in you know one like I don't know it was very weird and I know I kind of got sidetracked and I got sidetracked in the video that I made because I was looking at there because one of the new programs that they came out with for this 20.1 is like a fork of GNOME disks you know so they call it disk manager or something and it's like everything else it's pretty but then I realized like there's seven partitions on this thing why do I need seven partitions and why is it that when I go to file manager I can only access two of them I mean it's very weird that's so I went on a totally weird like a rabbit hole trying to figure out why I couldn't access like half of the storage I gave this machine it was very odd but Deepin have you ever tried Deepin Martin? Yeah I've tried a couple of months back so I'd a Jill booted it back then well tried to and then it says needs this much and like what so I thought I'm not freeing that much up just to give something a test and later on I did it in virtual VM and yeah I'm pretty sure it just wasn't whether I'd done something wrong or I'd actually did do it to the hard actually I did try to do it to the hard drive eventually I just swapped out a hard drive I've got to spare one it just wasn't booting up there's just something wrong with my system I think at the time it was before I had VM and opened up my BIOS I think that's where it is but I've looked at videos on it and yeah it seems nice but I think it's rather heavy for that added bit of nicely surrounded corners in my opinion yeah I think it's heavy I mean I know you've got a decent machine I mean mine's pretty old but for for really give me and the amount of system resource you know I just didn't think when obviously had a decent one you don't notice so much yeah it was very heavy and in the virtual machine it kind of it just turns off usually when you use a virtual machine it turns off the animations and stuff and even with the animations off it was still kind of I mean it was okay it definitely wasn't fedora fedora was when I installed fedora on the virtual machine it was like man this is running on metal this is I've had some you know bare metal installs of outlandish stoppering systems on a really good computer that don't run this fast and but it wasn't the that way with deep end I think my biggest problem with deep end excuse me I know a lot of people complain that's a Chinese distro I don't I don't care that it's developed by people in Chinese China and developed by people in Chinese it doesn't bother me that doesn't bother me at all I'm not worried about them sending any information back to the you know Chinese government that's not what I'm worried about I'm more it's it more bothers me that they're they put out an English language distribution at all because you can tell there's a lot of stuff in there that still just has not been translated like there's there the new browser stuff has still has Mandarin characters or whatever in it if you go to their app store you're not presented presented with like an English for you know app store or whatever or you know whatever you know you're it's it's all in Chinese and that's a white American complaining about it but I mean it's available here right so it's just it's just interesting that they haven't it feels like they haven't developed their community well enough to kind of because I mean usually when there's like because there's like a an Italian distribution I'm not sure what it is and that that there's a there's a Debian spin-off that focuses on one of the different run it you like they take system D out of Debian and that's developing like Germany it's and it's developed in German but they've developed a community that does has done such a good job of you know translating and stuff like that it just doesn't feel like deep and has done that kind of work quite as well as I think it's a case as well as a Chinese I think you obviously can toilet these blooming American spine on us I mean in all fairness there was some third party data going back and forth for various analytics but I think they're quashed that anyway it was nothing more than anything else it was just obviously because it's Chinese and the deal I don't think Donald Trump uses his his distril it's pretty that way right all right let's move on to our main topic so our main topic today is kind of how would I put it esoteric a little rare a little weird um a few months ago there's a maybe even close to a year ago maybe um I'm not actually sure when this thing thing went down but they were talking and this is more supposed specifically on Genome and GTK verse things is that basically the way GTK themes like you know when you want to change your theme to like arc dark or you know papyrus icon theme or whatever basically all that stuff is actually a hack that kind of lives on top of Genome it's not because Genome wasn't actually meant to be able to theme anything um and that's the reason why you can't in a in a vanilla Genome uh install you can't just theme something you have to install Genome tweaks and uh you know because I mean it's a hack so the Genome team which is notorious for not wanting people to tweak things uh and it has basically come out and said you know we're not going to we're thinking about removing the ability to theme things completely and the community kind of went you know crazy over that and so what I kind of want to talk about was um kind of two ways do you think that theming is an important thing on Linux um and also do you think Genome is uh taking the easy way out by you know saying we're just going to take themes out instead of trying to develop an actual way of theming like on KDE use KDE theming is built into KDE and that's not a hack that's actually something that you can actually do it's a little confusing uh but uh you know it's there and it comes out of the box whereas Genome you have to do a kind of um you know a hack to get it to work um so yeah the first one Martin what are you talking about yeah uh what was the first one again do I think do you think theming is important important yeah oh gosh yeah of course at the end of the day it's what you make it what you feel comfortable with I mean people say oh try this it's like Windows try that it's like Mac or you're like this is like XP things like this I think theming is very important I mean I don't know about yourself it says I'll get anything that it it's all in dark mode I want to just reduce eyes straight and just concentrate exactly what I'm looking at I like to reduce that change things around change from fonts things like that so I don't think it's important at the end of the day we're all tinkerous and we do love getting that little bit extra out of our machine I mean even even on Windows if you download and install Rainmeat just to get some extra go back to Windows bloody blinds as well things like that I mean people always want want to enjoy theming that the desktop environment I mean essentially I mean a bit like yourself with your writing and things like that you're actually living it in that environment all day so you want that spot on exactly how you like it and with all your shortcuts and this and that and just to get around it and have it just a nice experience not clunky and I mean going on to your second part when I was looking into what desktop environment to use and it was like oh yeah this is GNOME what you've got to do install down did it next thing to do install GNOME tweaks it's like well so I've got to install it and then I've got to install something else to make it that little bit better why are they not letting you install that I mean I could probably understand it they've developed it and they don't want their apps I'm sure if you tweak it that you tweak it so much and it you're going to break it on you essentially but I just didn't like the look of GNOME anyway they're going to download something else just tweak it just to get that little bit out of it just to make it look that little bit better when other desktop environments have have got that inbuilt really yeah the it's just a head scratcher but it's weird because the vanilla GNOME like theme or whatever is but ugly I mean it's it's not good looking and the adawata icons or whatever it's better than it was before but like even but Martin even like Ubuntu will theme like they they use GNOME but they have to put a coat of paint over it to make it actually look good Papa West does the same thing uh you know so I mean it's obviously something that people want and it's it feels weird that GNOME would come out and say you know because this is a hack we're thinking about taking it away instead of saying you know let's come with an API or something where people can actually go through and you know create themes you know way that's not a hacky way of doing things well exactly amazing I've been on about KGE but all I've got to do is go into choose it right we don't want to pick right let's have a look different curses right let's have a quick search from within the discovery whichever it was pick where I like download it install it get it working and that's it really I mean no I mean it's not just looks like 2005 I mean I don't know like you say they'll they'll heavily skin it but they're working closely with the guys and I just can't understand why they just wouldn't say right we'll open up this page and we'll get this work and get something at the end of the day the community's there just as much as they're good so they could help and help do it or there's a little book here we could fix that iron that out I mean I just can't understand you know I mean it and it's not particularly a lightweight thing either is it no no well yeah and I think I mean adding a thing that's not going to make Gnome any slower I suppose yes true look at that yeah so I mean I mean I mean it's kind of unfair because Gnome has gotten way faster than the last couple you know releases but I mean at least it used to be like when this first kind of became a thing you know an issue Gnome was like really slow it was never the themes that made it slow it was those really crap animations that you know we had to we have to unfurl and a wave that your your application drawer and it's going to take five minutes I mean but it's going to look pretty I mean it's just so dumb um so my thing is on this theming thing is when I first I like to like you said all Linux people are tinkers right they liked to tweak things and I I found my people when I decided that I was going to move to Linux because everybody here's just like me they like to tweak things and I that's that's what I love to do I I can't tell you the number of hours I've spent that's one of the reasons why I use window managers because I can go through and tweak things to my heart's content you know I can just spend hours and hours just hey you know I'm gonna alter this color by you know you know four percentage points to the blue or whatever and just to make it awesome um that's the kind of guy I am and it's when I before I started using window managers I would use KDE because KDE you know had a much more uh acceptable uh way of you know tweaking things not only with themes but with you know putting panels in different places and you know all that kind of stuff whereas GNOME just kind of felt rigid like you know this is how good the GNOME team wants you to use it and if you don't want to use it this way then you don't have to use GNOME at all you know and that's always kind of rubbed me the wrong way and then like with KDE I understand KDE gets hit a lot with um with the idea that they've cramped so much stuff into the settings application that it's so confusing that nobody can use it I mean it's I mean it's a big complaint they also get complained about like they discover it's been the same for like the last five years and you know it's kind of bad um but at least KDE you get the feeling that you know they're coming with new ideas and yes sometimes the new ideas are kind of you know shoved on and tacked on with your duct tape and baling wire or whatever but eventually they kind of get massaged into the you know the the desktop environment and it becomes part of a thing and you have all these options and it's amazing whereas the GNOME team seems like you know what we're gonna pull stuff out we're gonna keep taking features out and away from you to uh improve the experience into our vision of whatever it should be and that's uh you know that's one way to do it if you're Apple I mean that's kind of what Apple does is they they have to have this fierce iron grip on of control over their operating system and that's kind of what GNOME reminds me of and it and it's another elementary OS kind of does this thing too where they kind of have to have firm control over every little thing and that's cool it creates a nice user experience for uh Windows users or Mac users but if you're a you know a Linux user you're an experienced Linux user who wants to uh you know tweak things and tinker and stuff it's it feels like you're kind of in a jail you're you're in a cell uh where you can't do things such you know the way you want to do it and that's really what Linux is all about is being able to do whatever the hell you want to do right so it's all down to the freedom as well I mean I mean when I first used no years years ago obviously I didn't know I was using it I just thought on Ubuntu um off a CD I just thought oh my god this is horrible this is just horrible I mean obviously if I drill down and got to use I probably only tried it for an hour or two I just thought it wasn't the case of all this is a Windows it was a case of just I just don't like the way it is I don't it was just something whether it was because it was still heavy then and I was on the rubbish computers I've always been but yeah I've never really had no one when I've been my distro hopping it it's always been any of the others to be fair XFCE I've recently gone onto KDE but um it getting used to what you know and that there's essentially if you use no and you use them tweaks and they're essentially going to take that away with you I mean exactly obviously all power to them they want their their desktop environments look as as good as possible but it doesn't particularly look good that's what they've got no tweaks and that's the end of it I think yeah well that's why I have to wait and see because it'll be interesting because they just they're making a whole bunch of changes in you know 40 um and a lot of those are going to be like user experience and user interface changes so it'll be interesting to see how they uh if they make any changes to the way things are available to think to theme and stuff so all right so let's move on to our apps of the week so Martin why don't you talk us about your app of the week right so for the um the holiday period I've had a bit of time on my hands so we all and I thought I'll sort out my um pictures and my videos and things like that so I just had a quick look to see what I could find and it was it's called Shotwell um I think it's probably on most uh of your distros wherever you look for I know it's um just called photos on KDE but it's actually downloaded Shotwell um so all you basically do get it up and running plug in your digital camera so you can or your um your SD card and it imports everything in drops it in your my photos and sorts it out in date and it's just really really good sorts all your videos you can rate them different stars you can put all your tags in which you can do with most others I've just found it quite invaluable at this time without having to you know do it manually and because I've got that many of the same pictures on different SD cards it was nice just to get them all into one place and let a program just sort it out by the years and get rid of all the duplicates obviously or keep hold of them for future but that's a really good Shotwell it's called um just for um organizing your collection which I should have done a while ago because I've got that many stashed on Amazon or Google photos that'll be the next one to download them and import them and and just make that a bit more streamlined so that's what I've been playing about with how about yourself all right so as usual mine has something to do with the terminal so I can't break tradition on tradition um I discovered uh something called scratch pads in this isn't really a window manager specific thing but if um you do a lot of stuff in the terminal but you also don't want like dozens of terminals just lying around all your workspaces there's these things called scratch pads and you can assign them to key bindings and it will just basically bring up a uh a terminal uh that will that exists in a workspace that really doesn't show up so it's that kind of like a uh an invisible workspace and it's great mostly because it's just available anywhere you are you just hit this key binding and then your terminal comes up I've been using it for NC spot which is my Spotify client I've also been using it for like vpi top which is just a you know system hunter or whatever but you can also uh if you use a program called teedrop you can also assign uh GUI applications to a scratch pad so you could put the Spotify or uh you know um your to-do list or whatever on a scratch pad and just assign that scratch pad to a key binding and it's there whatever workspace you're on you just press that and it pops up it's really cool um I'm pretty sure it would work in a desktop environment as well um and this teedrop is just a um a you know an agnostic version of way of doing scratch pads but if you use a window manager i3 has these dwm has these um I think you have to use teedrop for bspwm but I think like awesome and uh xmonad and stuff all have built-in scratch pad functionality or or the ability to add that in like if you're in dwm you have to patch but um yeah I uh I it sounds so cliche to say oh my god this has changed the way I've used Linux but it just it kind of has because it's it's so nice just to be able to say you know mod why and all of a sudden I have my music player right there I don't have to you know switch to a different workspace I don't have to remember which of the 20 workspaces I have where my music player is coming so you know you know that really terrible problem where oh my god there's audio playing around somewhere on my computer I don't know where it's coming from how am I supposed to pause it um well now I know where it's always is and it's available whenever I want so that's really cool um so yeah that's my pick you can find links to all this stuff and links to all of our uh news topics and main topics and stuff in the show notes you can also make sure you subscribe to us on youtube and anchor and spotify and all that stuff and we'll be back next week our topic for next week is Linux file systems Martin's going to school me on Linux file systems because I've never used anything other than ext4 before so yep so it's going to be Linux file systems and um sd card file systems as well so so I can interchange them and then things like that between Windows and Linux because I don't always get on to those files we need to talk about ntfs and the reason why it has really weird permissions on Linux I don't know it sounds nerdy but if you if you have to use windows you have to use ntfs or fat and tensor you probably want to use it we'll talk about next week but it's I'm going to go on a rant just be prepared for that or anyways uh we'll be back next week thanks for watching your listening and we'll see you then excellent take care guys cheers mate