 I haven't even thought about this in a million years, but you were talking about Aubrey about people that don't seem to care or don't have the enthusiasm for something. Wonder and all in the world, yeah. I can remember that I used to be, for years I struggled like that, where I was bored with things, I was bored with myself, I was beating my brains out saying, why don't I love something? What is missing? And my sort of my conclusion was that I really did have tremendous ambition and tremendous aspiration, but I had buried it under layers of fear, you know, as if I would ever admit to myself that I wanted to be excellent at something, that would be more than I could take, failure would be more than I could take. And so when I finally sort of admitted to myself, and actually it's in the authentic swing I think or maybe it's not, but when I admitted to myself that I did have ambition, I did want to do something, suddenly everything changed and then enthusiasm did come, but it was fear. So I think when we're running into people that are not, don't have enthusiasm, don't have that fire, I don't believe it's not there. I think it's buried under fear and I think that's why great teachers, coaches, will put a young person in a position where they can exceed their expectations or their belief about themselves, where they thought they couldn't do it and then the guy kicks them in the ass enough time they actually do it and they go, wow, how did that happen, you know? And then that's the spark that can then burst into flame if it's guided properly. And I see that everywhere, I'm sorry to say, you know, in this country, it's everywhere. Well, I'm glad that you brought up that it was you at one point and you passed it because one of the really important things about your book I think is that you, your really objective assessment of your own life at one point in time when you were like 40 years old. You know, you were talking about this... That was a long time ago. Yeah, this script that wasn't working and you know, you were like, what the fuck am I doing? And how did you go from that to completely getting it together enough to write these books about getting it together? How to get it together? How'd you get over that fear? I think at that time, you mean the fear that I was just talking about? Yeah. Well, same thing. Same question. How did you figure it out? I think once I realized that there was something I wanted, that I wanted to be a writer, which I had refused to admit to myself because I was so afraid of failing at it, then I just sort of said, well, you know, there was a moment, it's actually in the war of art, where I just sort of realized the way you get there is one step at a time, you know, like an alcoholic, you know, one day at a time. And that it was a process that could be demystified. It wasn't airy-fairy waiting for inspiration. It was just sit the fuck down, put a piece of paper in a typewriter and start, you know, and then do that the next day and do it the next day. And the other aspect for me was I had no choice that any time I would try to stop and try to sell out, I was like so depressed that I, so I just had no choice to just keep going, going, going. So it was, before I wrote The War of Art, I probably had been writing for at least 30 years, or at least trying to do that. That book came out in about two months, just because it was so clear in my mind that that's what I had been fighting all these years. Did you find that putting it down on paper helped you? Very much, because it became very clear to me. Like a law almost. Yeah. For me, you know, it's like.