 Following its dissatisfaction with the outcome of the just concluded presidential election, the legal team of the Labour Party arrived today at the independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, in Abuja to inspect materials. The meeting with INEC officials, which held at the commission's national headquarters, is aimed at commencing the process of inspection of electoral materials used for the February 25 presidential election. The presidential candidate of the Labour Party in the February 25 presidential and national assembly elections, Peter Obi, has said that he is challenging the process leading to the declaration of the president-elect, Bola Tinobu, of the All Progressive Congress as the winner of the election and not the declaration itself. Obi called on the independent National Electoral Commission to be transparent and allow itself to be scrutinized by the public since it is a public institution run by taxpayers' money. So joining us to discuss this tonight is Upunabbo, in Kotaria, a human rights activist. Thank you for joining us, Upunabbo. Thank you to them. Good evening. Good evening. Well, some people have said that Obi should not have even taken any step that Labour Party should have dropped the matter. Where do you stand? It is my epic reasoning and I believe that those that are calling for Labour Party to jettison the idea of litigation, principally those that are involved in the rigging and those that are loyal to... I didn't want to say president-elect, but finally people got to say unless and until the court declared it as such. I want to say those I met, those that support the person I met declared as the winner of the last presidential election. So it is within its rights to prosecute it, especially when the so-called or the purported winner is a good dot of seismic corruption and fraud. I'm talking of this time around, I'm talking of a lecture on that corruption. Corruption that will be stenciled on the metals is unfolding in it. Before we got into this election, a lot of us had this, we can do good. We thought the democratic process, the healing of the democratic process, is being realized and the cancer in the process has been exposed. Sadly, what we experience is like a doctor who criminally neglected what he ought to do as a profession, excuse me, leading to the deaths of a patient. That is exactly what we experience in the presidential election. If you want me to go further, if you go further, please. I have further questions, if you land. Okay, well, now. I really want to anticipate, yes, because I see that you're being really pained. Okay. Not necessarily to the outcome, because it ought to be a referendum of the people's expressions. But the process is fraught with incongruities, corruption, fraud. And so it is difficult to accept such a person or to accept the outcome of such a person. And so I am one of those, one of the over 100 million men who are calling for Tory investigation. They have to go into the reverse and all what is being used to conduct that election. They have to. Okay. So that's it by the end. But it's not even the court judges who placate Nigeria. Because this is a glaring. Not even the court judge, especially against the background of Mr. President, who will be leaving the office in an anonymous manner. He promised to be quick to Nigeria and sleep. Thank you very much. And that's why Nigerians are brought flew into this country. They had any money to vote. The candidate of that. Unfortunately, the President has delivered to Nigerians the worst presidential election. Not even compared to that of Morrison. The worst. And the same president is saying the election starts. A man that ought to be neutral. He's saying the election starts. It's a shame. Okay. Okay. I'm going to cross out next. Yeah. Yes. With the pregnancy of over 10 babies. The other ones are just one or two. 10. So you can imagine each today, didn't you? Your wife is delivered of 10 children. You go visit. Yeah. I like I like has promised that they are going to give the full cooperation to Labor Party to inspect their materials, their machines and everything that they need to inspect. And the question that everybody's asking is why did they not consider the cry of the people at the time when the complaints started when the uploading of the results was done at that time? Is it not too late for this kind of promises that people may not even have confidence in? Do you think there's still hope? Our hopes have been touched, dreams shuttered and promised of a better future should be created by a man that is an important opportunity. A man that no longer has any sense of respect. The Iron Age man can never be snatched to realize that it was all a high blood pressure setting whether it's an enemy of conflict or conflict. That was all later. That was all manifest on the 20th of February 2020. That was the day the nation Nigeria's will last to the state of Nigeria by political bookaniers. No Nigeria. Not even the APC agreed to trust it. I'll tell you something. This is hypothetical. I'm not calling it anything. If you have a friend that is a chief and that friend, whenever he comes up, let's say you have a guest as a friend, whatever happens to another person comes to tell you. You, who is his friend, will never want to tell him anything because you know that he will also not tell someone. So even the APC members will not, once a man like Professor Mahmoud Yaku, we don't even believe a man like Professor Mahmoud Yaku because you can't get one. Look at the divers. Until now, do you know that they've not come out to give any explanation? Let's take the issues of advisement before that. Search and focus. You collected over how many billions? We are not denied a cover, not even a cover. Even when they came up with this brilliant policy, but with very stupid implementation. When Nigerians were grown in, the cash crunch was hitting hard. Patients were dying in the hospital. Family fathers could no longer run their homes. Inet, Central Bank released money to hide it. The Inet chairman himself made this confirmation. What happened eventually? We saw in Lagos, let me start with the issue of a man that was supposed to convey materialism. He went on to Thinibus loyalists. Non-loyalists. There's something you know. In Lagos, the road safety, sorry, road traffic. To convey sensitive materialism. Until the cuts stopped. Nigerians tried that. They went to cut, the cuts stopped. Why will you know too well the relationship with the APC presidential candidate? Why will you know too well go ahead to contract it to convey natural materialism? That was where we started at. Now, let us also go to Thinibus. First and foremost, unless the cuts, most of us already have fetched the cuts. Especially when you look at the long ones, the senior president election. And also, even before that. So we don't have fetched the cuts anymore. Anymore. Now, let us go for them. You said the beavers. We gave Nigerians all the assurances. Now they are saying, glitches, technicalities, all gone. You gave Nigerians all assurances. There were mock trials of the beavers. Before the mock trials, these same beavers were used in Osho and so on. And on that day, the beavers worked for the National Assembly. You see how rational and explicable this is. It worked for the National Assembly and Senators. Suddenly, had issues with the possession. How they have slid that? Now, what did the electoral act say? The electoral act has made it mandatory because you must compare the results with the results in the beavers. Was that done? It was not done. Even when Dina and Cobb objected, they went ahead and said you can go to court. Which means, what that means? They said, meaning is not in the message but in the message. What that is telling Nigeria is that we have brought the court to court. It is my right to interpret. Once you say what the word wants to open is possible. It's my right to interpret. So that's why they say you choose the right words from the word past. All words are in the past. Choose the right one. Not when you say to say, these are not what I meant. Robbers. They said they should go to court. Meanwhile, the electoral act provides that we should not do this. We should just stand to stand back and watch. Or stand. You refuse. You went ahead. These same ironed guidelines were provided by you. I'm talking about ironed history. Led by the chairman. Provided by you. You went against those guidelines. Because now that day, they have not uploaded. And it says that even in your bedroom, you can sit down and know who is winning and who will eventually be the winner. Because they did not. One week, almost two weeks after, they came back to say they are walking on the sand. Now they're going to court. You tell the court you have been back up. Because they want to inspect the buildings. Looking for all means to come out of the floors beheaded by their next chairman. So nobody, no right-thinking member or Nigerian will believe a word from the ironed chairman. No. He has lost his credibility with this last night. Let me play the... He was respected. He was revered. But he has lost even a shred of that. That is from Nigeria. He will see what will happen when he gets out of this. He will see how he will be despised and treated like a leper. Well, we will wait for the courts We will wait for the courts to make pronouncements. We will wait for the courts to make some pronouncements then we will know whether he is on the right or on the wrong. But let me just... The rule of law in this country has been paid. Let me just play the devil's advocate here. If you want me, I can mention the code of this. But for lack of time, I am guilty of a lot of things. But we don't have faith in the Supreme Court anymore. We don't have faith in the Supreme Court. So are you saying we don't have any hope? Because if the Supreme Court is not something that we can rely on, that's the last hope of the common man. What else do we have to do? We'll have to have faith in the Supreme Court, at least some kind of faith. Now that the lower party has gone to court... No, no, no, no, no. It has to be the temple of justice. And that's why they are afraid to ask me not. Where else can we get the justice? They are like gods on earth. What they say... And that's why when people go against the Supreme Court judgment. For example, the Naira Confiscation. I don't want to call it Naira's law. Because you take my Naira and I can't have access to it. You confiscate it. That's why when they go against the Supreme Court judgment that the Naira says fine. But to an extent too, that impunity is being led by the President himself. If you ask me, I can tell you from the case of Dasupi from the Kallu and so on. Give it up to this Naira. Suppose that Naira swaps. We have the Supreme Court gave a judgment that they should stay actual. Tended when you look into the matter. And the President holding the court in this day came up to say 200 Naira and 500 or whatever he said. That was wrong. That was counter. But they abuse immunity. And that's why he said look. Immunity. Yes, I agree. No problem. But then there should be a clause to the immunity clause. And in addition to the immunity clause. And what is that at this point? That anybody who violates the Supreme Court order or judgment should be pissed. Because let me tell you something. How do you expect a machine to feel? You are saying we must. There is no must in this world. How do you expect a machine to feel? How do you expect the man who contested against a caveat to feel? They did not contest in any primary. Even if APC had said that there was first you cannot contest for two processes. Let me get this right. Let me get this right. Even though our President and the Governors have immunity. Does the law say they can never be impeached? Because I've seen situations where... Let me say this. Let me say this. What I'm saying is this. If for example now, let's say like the Naira Swam or Swadulence Naira Swam. Because what is a Swam? I give you this. You give me that. That's what it means. Now I give you and I don't get it. So what is that confiscation? So the point I'm trying to make is this. Where the Supreme Court gives an order. What I'm trying to do is preserve the integrity of the Supreme Court. That's the point I'm trying to do. I'm not talking of the High Court because you have the High Court, you have the Court of Appeals, you have the Supreme Court. Where the Supreme Court gives an order. If a President, because it's not part of it, then it is. But there are also grounds for input before removal. There are two different things. Most times they mix it up. Impicement is not removal. Impicement leads to removal. There are two things. So now, what I'm saying, there are grounds already as enshrined in our Constitution. But the point I'm making is if a Court, just like now the Court has said until December 31st the President has not said anything. The Central Bank has not said anything. And as a result of that, why the money is still illegal tender because it's going for the Supreme Court? The enforcement is a problem. That is going to judicial account. And if you use the old tender nobody collects from you. So it makes no difference. The banks now dispense the old currency. Sorry, the currency but the Supreme Court has spoken. And the market women refuse to accept. So what do you do? They are waiting. They say, what do you have for Mr. President? And the man thinks he's clever by remaining silent so that the CBN policy will continue. That's why he's silent. So the point I'm making is on such issues, such issues should be impeachable offences. Otherwise, there are other grounds clearly throughout our Constitution. But I'm saying such issues like disobedience of Supreme Court or other. And I tell you, most of these presidents and governors who see themselves as deadly gods and things. We'll think again. We'll think twice. Okay, right now we have a question. There have to be a grounds for the National Assembly to make point people. And you have to be calling the Chief Judges and so on who will set up a panel and so on. And because they want to regain their integrity. So could you do so? Just briefly now. 10 levels are just lawmaking. They are not assembly. Just a moment. Just a moment so that we don't need to digress. Whatever we're saying about INEG right now we should also have it in mind that whatever we're saying there are lessons that need to be learned. For instance, when you mentioned that MCO Luomo was contracted in Lagos to convey the materials to the various polling units I understand that Nationwide NURTW was contracted to do that. And in Lagos State fortunately or unfortunately it is led by this MCO Luomo. What alternatives did you think INEG should have had at that moment so that when they are planning for the next election they can do that? Okay. I'll ask I'll answer one of your recovery questions the other one would be an answer I gather that the union is divided as a result of the high-handedness of MCO Luomo. That is me. Luomo. MCO Luomo. MCO Luomo. Why didn't you go for the other firms? That is all. So that is number one. The rhetoric question is when the cost that stops it how did you convey the material? Why did you think of that? What does it matter? One or two a die-hard member of APC and strong allies support of Abu Ali and his allies what did you say? You said no. It was justice who said justice must not only be done but must be seen to be manifestly done. If the common man on the street not just the litigators but the lawyers the common man on the street because in this particular case justice was done not just the litigators and the litigators but the common man even the taxi driver I'm talking of even those at the bottom of the pecking corner to say yes in this matter justice was done. Why did he say that? He said that because when anybody feels agreed when anybody feels injustice has rained it's on the throne it could lead to protests it could lead to anarchy. Those that are the leaders who spontaneously react like the answers are there are lawyers there are a few lawyers there they are not taught but because of the police brutality so that we can just wrap up so so that we can wrap up we've spent a lot of time here even knowing the election was postponed from last week and it's going to hold this week do you think the postponement briefly as you can? Do you think this postponement is a blessing to us or otherwise? The governorship and state house I don't I don't know for this section I think if you don't do this because it is still within the prescribed time I think that because it takes time for you to investigate the material's use of both now look at the morning 60 according to Pito according to you Pito there has not been 60 lawyers PDP would do same other parties would do same they need time now my greatest worry concerning is that the courts also allowed to reconfigure the beavers they would have waited until after the to reconfigure the way when they said how are you sure that you're not going to turn back with the votes they said they had a back house which they never had on the 25th you see the controversies back up saffa what happened to them back up saffa that you could not upload they're going to talk about this computer don't talk about with it I'm telling you they must have talked about it now you don't trust yeah they don't trust in it has brought shame a problem to this family everybody how many nations do say Nigeria just to inspect with the idea the innovation of the beavers but they all disappointed disappointed if you knew that why not stop there and then alright I wish we had more time we could have gone on and on with this but this is how much we can take I'd like to thank you for coming on the show this evening this matter has not ended we know that we'll still talk about it but thank you for being a part of the program today but let me quickly say this can I quickly say this one minute I want to realize that the election rigging is another form of coup covered up with nice cities and complexities so what happened on the 25th of February was the coup against Nigeria let it go and let it's conscience okay thank you once again for coming on the program well that was Opunabao in Kota area joining us he's a human rights activist and he's been talking about the elections and the actions of the LP we'll take a short break now and when we return we'll be taking a look at our discussion with the vice presidential candidate of the ADC thank you