 It wasn't open. That's why you got that song with him in Juvenile. Yeah, yeah. It's like, he knew after going to New York and seeing Judy, that's what he wanted. And think about it, when they did that record, it was an instant hit, man. Ooh, I like it like that, see, working that back. I don't know why I asked the woman for me. Yeah, we on boss talk, one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk. I wanna take you back down memory lane again. We all talk about the Saucer boys. I had a couple things. Like in 1996, how crazy was that, like to be there that night, to see everything that happened? It's been no other experience like that in rap, the whole time that I've been in it. Because I think, you know, it was an eye-opener. It was an eye-opener of us understanding that this is a business, this is the world stage, and you can't just be good, you have to be great. And some people are not gon' call you great until you can show them that you can do it more than once. And I think that's where a lot of people, you know, especially with the South, they took us for granted. Yeah. And same thing happened with Millie Mill, when he got in the ring. That's right. That's right, I remember that. He played around. He played around. Don't play. I figured out Texas ain't nothing to play with. So I just look at it like this, if you just look around just now, I mean, Jay Prince still here. Yes, sir. You know what I mean? Luke's still here. Yeah. And we still here. LA and Babyface still here. And we're still breaking records, you know? Like, and I just look at the South. Only one we lost was the Pimp, right? Man, Soldier Slim too. We lost the Slim. Yeah, we lost Soldier Slim. I was our very, very close to Soldier too. Give me a story about Soldier Slim. He was a meme on Gator, boy. That was a Gator, that was a Gator, that was a Gator, man. He was me, me, and Slim didn't like you. He let you know he ain't like you. And he was New Orleans, so he was disrespectful with you. Ooh, ooh, ooh. So, but you could tell in his eyes, he wasn't nothing to play with. Yeah. He was just, he was just the natural, to all the girls and everybody, he would, he would love it. But to an adversary, he was your worst nightmare. That's why they had to sneak and get him. They couldn't get him straight up. Like, you had to get him with it back turned. Right. He was coming. He wasn't trying to hear it. He wasn't trying to hear it in no kind of way. But I mean, at the end of the day, we built like that in the South. It's like, man, fight me straight up, man. You know, but they like to sneak, fight us, because they know they can't handle us straight up. So it's always coming up in that kind of culture. You just realize that, you know, I mean, we was out one night. It's a famous picture of me and Slim in the club in New York. Oh, yeah? And that was the first night he wanted to hang out in New York. He flew to New York like, man, I'm going to try this out. And we get out in the street. And we winded up at a funk flex party. And he was tripping because he was like, damn, that was the first time juvenile blew. That back, that back, that record blew in New York faster than anything back then. And then she did, pow, win. And I remember Slim sitting there like, y'all, like, he playing the people, he can play me, too. Let's go to the move, baby. We go to the move, man. You know, they hit us with the, no, no, no, no, no. Slim turned around like, y'all, like, wow. That's why he looked like that. The picture, he in the picture like this, like, he was looking straight at phone, man. Like, y'all don't know. Oh, OK. But that night, it opened his mind because that was the first night I feel like he was like, oh, shit, it's possible for somebody from New Orleans to get played in New York. So I think when he came back, his mind was more open to doing radio records when it wasn't open. That's why you got that song with him in Juvenile. Yeah, yeah. It's like he knew after going to New York and seeing Juvenile, that's what he wanted. And think about it, when they did that record, it was an instant hit, man. Oh, I like it like that. See, working that back. I don't know why I asked the woman for me. Wow, he had lived, he had just lived. Man, that would have been crazy. That was his one, you know what I mean? If he had just lived through that experience, it would have gave him a different crowd, a different record. And he would have learned just in those spins. Oh, I got to shave some of these ghetto shoes. I got to shave. You know what I mean? Because I got a record. And he never got to experience. But some people, it's so hard to shave that, even when they get up there, it's like they don't want to let that part go. Well, you know, at one time, it was congratulated. Couldn't be no sugar unless somebody turned sugar gone like that. Couldn't be no Jimmy Hinchman unless somebody turned him on like that. It's just that I feel like this industry has a real way of using you for the moment, and then you wake up in the morning and you're not needing. Wow. And then, don't nobody know you. That's real. You know what I mean? And it's amazing because it's like, damn, OK, I was, you needed me yesterday, but today I'm too much. Because now the business is moving out of the streets, and now we are starting to connect the music to corporate products now. So all that ghetto and gangster shit that we had put our money into and we told y'all, now we have flipped the business. And now it's about Nelly. That's about this. It's about singing raps, about Drake. It's about something else. About something else. Something else. Yeah. That's what it is. It's about just something else. And if you look at it, they always do us like that when they've learned our formula.