 What are the transitions for you in this like that brought you to that kind of level of giving and because for the past couple years I really feel that you've opened up in a way that's I Don't know a very mellow calm Seductive expression of yourself like what transitions happen. Oh, I mean just growing up You're practicing what I preach instead of because I Any guy who's working in this industry. I tell you you get into it because you're you're trying to figure stuff out for yourself You're trying to do yourself on these lines as well and every single guy I work with I learned something new and I I'm going to be an example to people. I've got to internalize it I've got a you know to bring it myself and then with this event, especially I always feel like I've got to bring my best Everybody else Anthony always is and so just to kind of deserve to be on that stage with everybody else I've got to you know, make sure that I'm resting as much as I can before my speech I'm giving as much as I can to the guys who are all bringing everything. Yeah, got themselves Like I got to step it on and that that is something because speaking at the 21 This is something that you guys may not know is that it is so different because it's a different caliber in other Speaking events went for anything. It's like there's some riffraff, you know, it's it's kind of easy to get the top 10 roll out of bed hungover Don't shower. Hey guys 21 convention. Yeah, like to speak on a stage with yourself like to be around that or Any of the other speakers? There's some of the top guys in health some of the top guys in the world in fitness doctors Yeah, I'm these and I'm supposed to be like that's the crazy thing about like the guys of the seduction industry is we tend to be people that just You know kind of go about life in this way and it was a philosophy major. Yeah. Hey, at least you went to school You know, I mean like a lot of us didn't but we're actually on stage with these like academics, you know after this we got We have to we have guys with actually I just interviewed a guy with a PhD And we have another guy with a PhD and it's just such an interesting thing I think that's something that the 21thvention Anthony everybody involved in it has put out there that you know Living your life living your expression living what you're truly passionate about you can get to this expert level of You know spreading a good word. I mean is this happened for you? You know we enter into the seduction industry and you can kind of go whatever way you want But had I not been involved with the speakers and the people that I met I wouldn't have transitioned into more of the thought in the mindset in the you know, even feelings I've passionate about seduction, you know What what's happened between the 2009 convention and In now man, well I've always kind of followed my own path when it comes to this sort of thing I've always been a figure things out on my own walk Whatever, you know, I ignore everything that else is out there and then really kind of think oh What do I believe is yeah his best even if all the other voices in the industry are saying something different Right at the time that is you they really were and so, you know I I feel that I was maybe leading towards a message or a direction before it was more popular before it was more accepted Yeah, it was a gamble. Yeah, big time for sure But then it's it's humbling when when Anthony starts kind of cutting out other people from the convention There's a lot of people that spoke that back then that right they butted heads when they weren't invited back and No, it's just not crazy. It's really it's really just reaffirming. It's really like I said humbling that and then Also with you because you've I mean you're like super humble. You're like totally down to earth, right? Just a dude. Yeah, I know I've got my own stuff to work on like everybody. Yeah. Yeah And so for yourself, you know, just kind of going along on this path and then all of a sudden your speech Explodes man in the way that you handled it is even cooler because a lot of people they get a speech that takes off And it's like me me me finally finally. I'm validated but for you It's just like, oh, no, man. That's not what it's about Wait, like that speech was released What a year year year and a half year and a half. Yeah Like what was your reaction to all that? Even people started emailing you or you're just like whoa, this thing is going crazy I was as shocked as anyone. Yeah You know my speeches would tend to get as many views right as the the other guys in the convention and that one just Went went off completely unexpected very very surprising and You know, I wasn't gonna walk in here this year with a big old fur coat and like sunglasses like mr Big shot or anything But for me it was it was it was validating in a way and that you know The stuff that I'm talking about the the way that I'm going about this stuff is what people want You know, they don't want the top ten like best pickup line people are looking for something else So if anything, it was just like a reaffirmation that I was going in the right direction But definitely at the same time not like oh, I've arrived now Yeah, but that you know, I've got a lot more work to do but at least I know that you know I'm doing it