 I observed that the Badi language of our Muslim brothers was not encouraging to say the least although they presented strong arguments that allowed Rabbits and Rasheed to dominate the conversation with their misinformed views on Islam. Asalaamu Alaikum guys, I took some time to watch a video from the PBD podcast that lost it for over two hours. It was a thought provoking experience that really engaged my mind. I have to admit that the discussion about the Trinity, the death sentence in Islam and the possibility of Islam becoming more prominent in America within the next 30 years were particularly captivating. I was completely absorbed by watching it. Human dignity and that means both physically and spiritually and so you take the transgender business that's a total rejection of trust in God and the idea that God knows what he's doing when he creates somebody male and female and it's the first thing the Bible tells us about God that he created the heavens and the earth and created human beings and well sure and that's why they're wrong that male and female he created. In this video I presented a case regarding the Badi language of our Muslim brothers during the debate and how it appeared to be less encouraging compared to the Christians who seemed more confident. Additionally I noticed that our Muslim brothers didn't thoroughly address some critical aspects of Christianity in a public forum. There omitted evidence that could demonstrate Christianity as a non-Abrahamic religion and the other hand the Christians were well prepared to address all aspects of the debate. Nevertheless overall we emerged victorious in the end. I invite you as I analyze specific segments of the debate drawing from my experience as an ex-Catholic seminary and why Daniel and Jake made us proud. I believe Muhammad Hijab would have performed even better. Muhammad said anybody who changes his religion killed him and it's still the position of all of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence that the apostate should be put to death. Now obviously this is not something that means that every apostate has to always go around watching himself because you have to have somebody who's willing to do that but those who do do it they think well now I have done something that Allah has commanded and he will bless me for doing it and me myself because I was standing up for the freedom of speech 2015 Pamela Geller and I put on in Texas a Muhammad art exhibit and cartoon contest and it was actually we featured a lot of classic Shiite Persian art depicting Muhammad as well as contemporary art that is was from a more critical standpoint and a couple of jihadis came from Phoenix key members actually of the Islamic Community Center Phoenix one of them was featured in a recruitment video for them and they tried to kill us and so I actually would be also under death sentence just for drawing Muhammad and for sponsoring people who do which I did not in order to cause gratuitous insult but to defend the freedom of speech and freedom of expression which is the foundation of any genuinely free society. Danny what would you say to that? This response addresses a tricky question posed by Patrick himself the question was what's your challenge with Islam? Robert Spencer wasted no time in pointing out certain ethical laws in Islam related to the treatment of infidels and apostates. His focus was on presenting a comprehensive array of arguments against Islam particularly in relation to the prevailing ideals of liberalism and freedom in America. He was swift in doing so because what when it was the brother's turn to address Christianity they relied more on references from the Old Testament of the Bible. This was a move that scholars like Muhammad Hijab might not have attempted given the vulnerabilities of positions attempting to criticize Christianity using the old Jewish order. There are numerous flaws in the New Testament which Christians often consider immune to theological challenges that can be used to counter absurd Christological argument. However, Daniel was quick to correct this approach. Yeah so just a few points here number one it's interesting how we want to talk about Islam as a religion but we the religion is 95% like what Jake mentioned it's about worshiping God being devoted to a righteous way of life loving your neighbors taking care of your parents that's what 95% of Islam is about. Yes there are criminal punishments which we're going to discuss there is conquest there is war theory there's all of this in Islam but it's interesting how when a conversation is about Islam we focus on that 5% instead of the 95% of what Islam is about. We don't see this kind of double standard with like Christians so if you have someone like Matt Walsh Matt Walsh is a traditional Christian there's slavery in the Bible there's punishment for blasphemers in the Bible there's killing of heretics in the church tradition there's no discussion of that with Matt Walsh right or Ben Shapiro there is killing of blasphemers in the Hebrew Bible there is you know punishments for apostasy in the Talmud there's no discussion of that with Ben Shapiro you can talk about you know other values and that's what the discussion focuses on but the Islamophobic narrative is just lasering in on these specific topics which is fine we can discuss that but I just want to note the double standard so the other framing of this whole discussion that I want to put out here though is that I want I'm wondering like this standard of oh there should be no punishment for blasphemy for example let's just put that out there there should be no punishment for mocking and insulting a religion attacking people's values is that coming from a Christian perspective is that coming from a is that coming from the church tradition is that coming from the Bible because when we look at the Bible we see in Leviticus we see in Deuteronomy that blasphemers should be put to death even if you entice you know the Bible says if you entice like your son or your daughter or your wife entices you to worship other than God then have no mercy that was indeed an excellent response however Daniel could have also included evidence showing that the catholic church which was the dominant church during the during certain periods in Christianity when other denominations were violently suppressed and their adherents silenced actively indulged slavery in a pebble ball issued by Pope Nicholas the thief who was considered the head of all Christian churches he commanded the Portuguese to invade search capture vanquish and subdue all Syracians and pagans whatsoever and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery and to apply an appropriate to himself and he successes the kingdoms and dug down counties principalities dominions possessions and goes and to convert them to his and the use and profit this was done with the intention of making these new captives Christians and lifelong servants didn't this pebble ball contribute to raising the entire generation of history should we even discuss the high hundredness of Pope Gregory the 11th during the wars of the eight cents where floretines were treated as slaves throughout Europe or the wrong join codified in the canon law of couples loris can only cheat just to name a few example another powerful moment was exchange with the apostate in the room trust me he was rather humiliated during that exchange our brother he said the five percent of Islam we are focusing on right if you have this glass of water and you have 95 for it is water but five percent is poison it's going to kill you so this is exactly what we have with Islam yes you can talk about God you talk about worshiping but how about violence against people like me how about violence against Christians and Jews you are you are ordered to wage war against them that's what happened to my ancestors in Morocco burburs they were Christians they were executed they were enslaved that's what happened to people in Egypt in Iraq in Syria and even in Europe how about that how about people who for example against women Islam against women and women should know that they endorsed the death penalty for apostasy right here yeah let me just finish as Jesus Christ and and Rashid was deeply emotional about the entire situation he felt it difficult to comprehend how white Americans like Daniel and Jai could be convinced to embrace the one true faith as a result he was somewhat disheartened particularly because he was grappling with his own status in Islam as an apostate he contemplated using a strategy to cut the Muslim argument about the punishment prescribed by Allah for the sin of apostasy however the Muslim remains stayed fast in their belief that apostasy should be punished Jake responded to this with a well thought out reply both of you keep running from the Old Testament and the argument that I've given Jesus stopped it we are not running Jesus stopped it we let you we let you speak for a while sir please let me talk okay is Jesus God well yes the answer is yes you do believe that did God reveal at least parts of the Old Testament well of course you believe that now Robert wanted to make a distinction he brought up an example about Paul trying to remember how many people he baptized baptized but in the Old Testament when it says that God is speaking and that God commanded X was that just somebody making it up or misremembering no the Bible says it's God so listen to this passage first Samuel 15 1 to 3 and Samuel said to Saul the Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel not oh I'm just talking out of you know my backside now therefore listen to the words of the Lord who are they they're the words of the Lord they're not the words of Samuel or your neighbor John or whoever else thus says the Lord of hosts I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came out of Egypt now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have do not spare them but kill both man and woman child and infant ox and sheep camel and donkey so do not tell me sir that God Jesus did not order the killing of innocent people he not only did he do that he ordered the killing of babies none of which you will ever find anywhere in the Quran or Sunnah so if you have a problem let me finish sure I would also like to address another segment of the debate which focused on the identity of Jesus as God or not before I allow Jack to conclude his rubato to Robert's argument regarding apostolic succession which in itself is not an apostolic tradition but rather a custom preserved and perpetuated by pagan Rome let me quickly mention about 10 Bible verses that distinctly illuminated through nature of Jesus interestingly this verses align with Islamic traditions Mark 10 verse 18 Jesus responds to being called good John 14 20 A Jesus discussing his departure and the father's greatness Matthew 24 verse 30 says Jesus acknowledging that he doesn't know the day of judgment John 5 verse 19 Jesus emphasizing his dependence on the father John 5 verse 30 Jesus stating that he can do nothing on this home John 17 3 Jesus speaking about eternal life and knowing the father himself first Corinthians chapter 11 verse 3 Paul's teaching about the headship of Christ and God Colossians 1 verse 15 Jesus described as an image of the invisible God Hebrews 1 verse 5 to 6 comparing Jesus to angels and his relationship with God Revelation chapter 3 verse 14 describing Jesus as the beginning of God's creation I want to comment on what he said and also Robert's remark about us endorsing the punishment for apostasy yes we do why because our claim is that we are actually faithful to our scriptures you guys are not you want to avoid the Old Testament and I want to give you an analogy Patrick because you're a business guy you have many businesses okay and you have policies that you have to put in place based on social interaction in the workplace and all that kind of stuff now you may make amendments to those policies based on new data new information how things are actually going based on those things that you put in place now when you do right and this is the analogy between the Old Testament and the New Testament are you willing to say that well yeah I'm thinking to myself yeah Pat yeah you were wrong actually when you said it was okay to do such and such that was actually wrong and you then put in the correct one with the Bible the problem that you have is the same one that you want to talk about the loving Jesus Christ himself which we also adore and respect as a prophet is the same one that you believe is God and revealed the Old Testament and you can't get out of that so when your God Jesus revealed at that specific time as I just read the passage and I can read you plenty more where he says to kill babies in war is it okay to target infants in war and kill babies is that inherently immoral the problem that you have is if you go on and this is why the argument is so important it's not a too okay just as a fallacious argument it's checking for your consistency as a Christian whether or not you're actually faithful to your own text and tradition and the reality is you're not why you have two options if you condemn it as inherently immoral then the whole Bible is gone because if you believe that those Bibles were that those verses in the Bible were revealed by God then you're saying that God is immoral and on the other hand if you say that it's not inherently immoral but God changed the law at this time then most of your arguments lose the force that they have against Islam because you can no longer argue that it is inherently immoral to punish an apostate by death and all of the other things that you want to tack on this is why it's so important it's not a fallacious argument and the reality is we want to stick to our texts and our tradition and for the most part we would argue that the Christians have abandoned them in favor of secular liberal moral ideologies. Let me have let me have Daniel respond then and I'll come to you go forward. Yeah so there are a lot of things that we need to respond to because he's just listing every grievance that he has against Islam we have to get step by step but just on this point of violence you know I think Jake makes really the crucial point it's that Jesus according to the Christian belief Jesus is the God of the Old Testament and he's the one who's commanding Moses for example to ethnically cleanse the Canaanites or the Amalekites or all of these other tribes and to conduct conquest and war to take girls as slaves to take virgins as slaves this is in the Old Testament sure so you have to deal Christians have to deal with that moral problem a lot of Christians unfortunately they just throw the Bible under the bus and you know how is that justified but it's not just the Old Testament it's also the New Testament the New Testament also has endorses slavery the New Testament also has the Book of Revelation where Jesus is going to come which by the way Muslims also believe that Jesus is the Messiah he is the born of the Virgin Mary and he's going to come as the Messiah to establish God's kingdom on earth Muslims also accept and believe that and we're anticipating that but he's going to be very violent it's going to be a very violent affair and that's in the Muslim tradition and the hadith and it's also in the Book of Revelation so Jesus is also very violent and then finally you have canon law you have the church tradition so if Robert wants to denounce canon law because when you have canon law it has slavery it has a marriage age of 12 years old in canon law it has punishments for blasphemy it has even you know striking the wife the disobedient wife that's found in canon law from Gratian so I believe that Robert is an Orthodox Christian if he wants to denounce canon law and denounce his own tradition he can denounce that he can denounce Jesus himself he can denounce the Old Testament he can denounce the Bible the New Testament that's fine that's fine he says that oh well our religion adapts our religion changes but that's actually the problem well Robert Spencer and Rashid did their best but there are aspects of a Christian faith there are so perplexing that debating them on theological grounds often gives Islam the upper hand I observed that the body language of our Muslim brothers was not encouraging to say the least although the presented strong argument that allowed Robert's and Rashid to dominate the conversation with their misinformed views on Islam it appeared that the anti-Islamic Christians displayed more confidence than the Muslims did however when considering the overall outcome the debate was a victory for the Muslims and will serve as an educational platform to enlighten people about the one holy islamic faith until next time assalamu alaikum