 Let's talk about the Ministry of Labour. So when we get a next Labour government, hopefully later in the year, who knows? You will be building a new department in government in this country, the Ministry of Labour. Why? Why do we need one? Well, that's right. So it was a commitment in the last manifesto in 2017 that we would have a dedicated department for industrial relations, for workers rights, for trade union freedoms and and and so much more. It's definitely understanding it, but I'm sure we'll come onto the detail in a second. And I think it was a it wasn't just like a symbolic gesture from Jeremy Corbyn. He is, I'm sure Keith will agree. You know, this is one of his flagship policies because we know and, you know, why do we need this? We know that the world of work is broken for most working class people. If we think of, you know, young people at work, if we think of older people at work, those people trying to get a mortgage, those people renting at work, everyone is in some way being exploited. There is very low work of confidence. We have under employment. So I think, you know, one hour counts, one hour contract counts as being employed in the employment figures. We have people who are working at too many hours, but still can't make ends meet. And we see precariousness, a whole industry created around precariousness. We see people who are, you know, I heard of one McDonald's work and working about 40 hours a week, like couldn't afford the rent to even rent a room. The economy, I'm sure that's quite common to me. It's 40 hours a week and McDonald's won't get your room in London. It won't. It just won't and not not even just just in London. So I've got to a point where the, you know, the government's national living wage or, you know, the rate that people are paid for now, it doesn't allow people to live even on a full-time contract, but hours are at threat. People turn up to work and the shifts are cancelled with no notice. And that person might have, you know, committed to a full day of childcare, but have to go home because there's no work. So really there is such little power now in work and class people's hands that, you know, something like the Taylor review that was announced by the government doesn't even scratch the surface in challenging some of the fundamental problems for, for, for workers. And I think it is one about power and powerlessness. We've seen for decades now the constant shifting of power into the hands of the employers. And, you know, I don't know about you, Michael, but I entered the workplace. I started my career in McDonald's and there was no question that I would be, you know, a trade union official wouldn't walk into McDonald's, you know, however many years ago it was. I didn't have any conversations with my colleagues about being part of a trade union. It is now usual for our generation below and probably a generation above that they don't work in organized workplaces where you have like a rep there who's introducing you to the trade union upon your induction, where it's just part and a part and parcel in the fabric of the workplace. That doesn't exist. You know, if you asked many young people what a closed shop was, they'd think it was like a shop that was shut. You know what I mean? Not that there isn't a compulsion, a requirement to work, be in the trade union to work in a certain place. So all, all of this, you know, requires not just tweaks here and there. All of this requires, you know, a huge legislative shift. But also us to be really confident, you know, I'm a working class member of Parliament, really confident that we can do this and that there is the appetite out there from working people who know that they are working longer, harder and for less pay. So I mean, I think across the board, you can see a recognition now that workers have too little power. That's one reason why wages are so low and that's one reason why the economy is a little bit stagnant. So as the Ministry of Labor, I was looking for the last time we had something called this and it was 1968. So 50 years ago, we haven't had something called a Ministry of Labor. We've had things that do a similar function. I think they were called a Ministry of Employment up to about 1980 and then the whole thing was abolished. Is, is this a bit of a blast from the past? Look, can I, you asked a question earlier? I mean, why do we need a Ministry of Labor? OK, so I would say to you, there are 32 million workers in this country. And what distinguishes this country, I think, from most other countries in the world is that there is nobody in government who can speak for these workers. So the purpose of having a Ministry of Labor with its own Secretary of State, its own government department, its own big civil service, is that we have a department which can speak for workers, which can represent workers. We have a Secretary of State who can sit at the Cabinet table to represent workers' interests. And the point is very simple. In the sense, you said, you're right, we did have a Ministry of Labor in the past. And the question is, well, why did we have a Ministry of Labor in the past? And the argument from trade unions in the past is that we needed a Ministry of Labor because business has its representative at the Cabinet table. Farmers, agriculture has its representative at the Cabinet table, but who speaks for workers? And that is the whole point. It's about giving workers a voice in government. And from a voice in government, so a voice in industry, and from a voice in industry to a voice in the workplace through that trade union. So it's very, very simple. It's not about connecting with the past. It's actually addressing contemporary problems. So just to clarify, you said most countries have one of these. So Britain's exceptional in not having a Ministry of Labor. Absolutely exceptional. So in modern times, you look at the great European democracies. Canada has a Department of Employment. You said rightly that we had the Ministry of Labor. It changed its name in 1968, became a Ministry of Employment or a Department of Employment. So performing much the same function. But gradually, its role has changed as governments, Tory governments in particular, deregulated, stripped away workers' rights. They took away the department that was responsible for defending these rights. What we're saying is that department needs to be reinstated. It needs to be at the very heart of government to represent workers' interests and to prove workers' interests first. It should be the responsibility of all departments of government to represent the views of workers. But in particular, it should be the responsibility of a dedicated government department with its own secretary of state to make sure that these interests, the voice of workers, is heard very, very loudly at the cabinet table and at the seat of government. So very simple, very straightforward, and very progressive. What kind of technical question? When I was looking at what might correspond to this particular job, because obviously it doesn't exist in the current government, there's something called the Minister of Employment and the DWP, the Department of Work and Pensions. Do they stand up for workers' rights and for people in the workforce? I mean, when I think of the DWP, I think of people punishing poor people and forcing them into work. I don't know if they also defend people in the workplace. I don't know. Okay, and there is a Minister in the business department, who is responsible for workers' rights or for worker interests. And with the best will in the world, in a sense, it is a fact that workers' rights are represented by the Department of Business. The head of that department is the Secretary of State for Business, Energy, Innovation and Skills. So it's to that minister that the junior minister in that department is answerable. It is that minister, the business minister, who represents workers in government. And what we're saying is, well, look, that's got to change. The workers' voice needs to be represented by a dedicated minister who can speak for workers at the cabinet table. And it will be a standalone department. And I think it's right, you know, most people in this nation spend most of their time at work. I think it's quite unbelievable that we don't already have this. It's almost unthinkable that the thing that affects people's health, their mental wellbeing, how much money they've got, whether they go on holiday, whether they're bailiffs or at the door, that hasn't got its own dedicated department in government. Well, it just shows you really what the government thinks of working people. So it is extremely exciting. And I think I've been on a journey because I think those people that say, oh, you know, you're taking us back to the 1950s, 60s, 70s, all it is doing is trying to diminish the potential for power that this department can have and say, we don't want to go back to those old days. Well, you know, young people now quite often do not know what a trade union is. That there was once a department that looked out for trade union interests. Look at that shift. Look at how successful, you know, that Thatcherite ideology was. And we're just going to meet that with equal measure.