 than that dragon tail right there. No, that's too edgy. And wow, you were. Beaver tail knows that it's not trying to be anything that it isn't. It's just a little little bit of a little bit of a thing for safety there because you do not want that hammer to hit your hand. You know, that would really hurt. You want to tunnel the J long bone? Yeah, I was going down there, pal. All over is Jay here. I don't think she said anything this whole time. Oh, okay. Goodbye, this guy who's this fucking lion? I'm out. Oh, we just went live to the perfect timing on me. I suppose we'll have to find something to talk about. We can. I think we is our intro also going to be generated. Oh, yeah, I was thinking about the thumbnail for this episode and I was like, how could I resist not like putting that goober fucking fury? You know, whatever the hell that was, I showed my sister that and she was like, no, I was like, I know that she was like, it would be worse if you told me that someone drew that. I don't care that it was made by AI. I care that it looked like dog shit and it was like four hours long. It just kept going. Every time I thought it was over and look up and there's like several. Yeah, it's like a fucking anime. There's a 30 minute intro. Yeah, I will say after a while. That guy was saying like, I love me some animes here and there, but you're completely right. Right. Those intros are just just indulgent bullshit. Like every single one of them are shit. I mean, I will say I go ahead. I was going to say what's pretty funny about it is the fact that you know every time you watch it, that that's what cost this film from being taken seriously by anybody on the internet. Basically like you watch it in your sleep, which is pretty hilarious. It's as soon as everybody found out that it was an AI art intro that already turned a lot of people against this show. Oh, yeah, it was pretty. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty opposed. I don't like it. I don't like I generated images used in this context, especially if you're Disney. And this is your show and it's a big deal and you're spending two hundred million dollars on it. And you know, intros are a potentially really let's I mean, what is our gold standard for intros? Is it arcane or is it? Oh, I mean, what's wrong with the drones? Because they actually utilize it breaking. But I'm like super hero television shows. That apple is pretty high up. Well, it just I mean, the fact that we give so many answers there, it just really shows that a good intro can mean a lot of things. So it's like, oh, yeah, like when it's with arcane, it becomes as the show goes on, you recognize more and more things and you recognize the symbolism more and more as the you know, as the show goes on and you learn more and more and then you can fit a style and you can fit a tone. And there's a lot that goes into an intro. So this one is just like, oh, you you just like you just had a computer like it's indicative of sort of what's to come with the show, isn't it? It's just like. Stuff like throwing out like that. The body gets compiled together, compiled and thrown together. And then it turns into something that's like bizarre and incoherent, which is what kills me is that they use the actual thing that they generated. Not they didn't use it as a reference. They use the actual piece of shit that they generate, which would have been way more respectful if they built really good looking images. And you're like, the base for this was actually an AI prompt. And then they they get his reference to be like, OK, all right, I get it. That's cool enough. But like what they went with this is almost everybody was like, is there anything you can actually like interpret from it, though? Like, I just feel like every time I'm looking, I don't really what am I supposed to get? Like, one of the things I appreciated about Game of Thrones was that if if. I remember with Game of Thrones, they would update if something happened in one of the kingdoms, they would update the intro right away. So you would get the world building through the intro, like as a reminder, like what happened to Winterfell, and then you would see Winterfell. You would see all the things, all the details. And I think that especially considering it's the very next episode, that's something you can appreciate with this. It just looked like mush on a screen. Like, I just what's the point of this? What's supposed to look like mush, you see? I think green for scrolls. That's about it. I think that the the idea that was going around and I don't know how much of this is legitimate and how much of this is major cope. But I guess I think the idea that they said was it's supposed to be. It's supposed to look weird, essentially. It's supposed to be about the blending of what really is true and who's who and what's real and did you do and I'm just like, oh, well, you could have done like hired people. Yeah, it still doesn't change the fact that that process was used. Then reminded of the flash or it's like, oh, don't worry. Everything in the time traveling multi-visting is supposed to look like shit. It's like, yeah, because it's that's what they were going for. I guess it's like, aha. It's built an excuse. It's just built. Like, what are they going to say if everyone thought it looked great? Like, oh, okay. You know what I mean? You don't know it looks great. Shit, stop liking it. It's supposed to look terrible. What I think about the famous do that. It's so ridiculous. When I look back through film history and I think about all of the incredible timeless films that have been made over the decades, over the over over a century now. I wonder how many of them had directors who came out and said, no, no, guys, it's supposed to look like shit. Exactly. Can you think about that thought process being used for any of the stories that you truly love? It's disgusting. It's it's horseshit. We know it's horseshit. And it's frustrating that there's people out there that actually accept that. And like, like the the Ryan Johnson fans, these people that their relationship with stories fascinates me because I don't know. For me, everything I watch, I watch it hoping it's good enough to rewatch. And I've been doing that since I was like a child. That's that's pretty much like where my eye for analysis comes from just watching movies my entire life. And the idea that you can just take these things in and not have any understanding of it as part of the reason I like rewatching it because you really see what they're trying to achieve, what works, what didn't work. The bad written ones are going to fall apart. And I don't know. I just people it's like fast food storytelling. They just take it in. They don't absorb anything and then they move on, but they're still what they're still willing to defend it. It's crazy. I can believe a I can believe McDonald's food is made by an AI algorithm generated fast food. Yeah, the fries are made with love. I don't know what they put in those fries, but those recollection of meat. That's a good description. Yeah, every time I put people's links in the description, they get converted back into gobbledygook. I don't know why. Yeah, I had to. I know when I have been doing my like dog bites links and stuff I have to double check because you can't like copy and paste them from old links or from old descriptions. It doesn't like it's a pain in the butt. I reckon it did with metal all the time, which, you know, guess that's fine. But really, it's rude because not what I asked for it. Oh, I like how we've already shredded the intro and started our intro. Have you? Oh, I still got that Marvel idea. What if you pretended that it was something you liked? Oh, see, I don't think that works. That's my honest opinion about that. Know that if we just wish it to be better than you said about again, cinema wins. I don't even know what's what's the point of even creating something if you're just going to tell the audience to like it anyway. What's the point of the crop itself? It's the dumbest meaning. It's the Pascal's wager of film criticism. You just if you really, really try hard enough, you can get yourself to believe it maybe eventually. I don't know why they they curse their work with that type of shit. The whole thought process. I was going to ask before. I was going to ask before we went live and you think this was probably a good way to start it up. Everyone's history with Marvel because I know everyone's got probably got like a different route. I don't know if you started from like Iron Man or the MCU specifically more likely started from Iron Man and went straight through. It's a very good thing to bring up, but I've got an even better one. Welcome to the show Jedi Brooks. Oh, yes. Let's probably do that, you know, by. Oh, yes, the thing is while we've been talking, I would try to solve like I got the wrong number on the thumbnail. The people's links up working. I was like, I didn't even have my profile pick up. Well, luckily, yeah, I got that leaving and joining fixes that. So all right, thumbnail corrected as of soon. Oh, don't garble the fucking things. Please, YouTube. It did it twice to me already, but now it didn't the third time. So I'm just just hoping anyway. Yeah. I met you on good old drinkers open bar. We had some chats about a couple things, including secret invasion. Was it only one episode was out by then? Was it two? I think it was one episode was out and but we ended up chatting about a bunch of different things. Like, I mean, it's funny. I just find it really funny that we talked about Amelia Clark saying, man, we just hope we wish the best for her. She should be in rom-coms, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then flash forward to this. Oh, absolutely. It's it's actually sad at this point. And I don't know what else to say. Just for the other guys because I mentioned this to you. That's when we met, but I've been here since the Nazi not so great debate. I was live for the just right. I was live for the just right debate because they're the entire time. The Sonnerd Wolves video was the first movie review I ever watched and that's pretty much what started this whole journey for me. That meet the Mahler and then led me to EFAP. The entire thing was just like a crazy rollercoaster that never thought was going to happen. But yeah, I've been here pretty much the entire time. So I've been here since EFAP since before even named it EFAP. So most of the major ones you could think of jumping into all kinds of topics. It's you saw your latest one. It's a scene comparison again. Good old. Well, I mean, as well, let you explain it. Well, yeah, the scene comparisons definitely seem like those are the ones that I've gotten the best feedback on. But the ones I've definitely the most passionate about is the slightly more long form stuff like the critiques like Jurassic World Dominion. That movie is just an abomination. That's one of the ones that I would describe. That's almost like as bad as TLJ in terms of the tone and the disrespect. And TLJ was pretty much my origin story when it comes to this. So pretty much trying to stick to the things that I'm passionate about while still trying to like not completely ignore the algorithm. But when it comes to things like Alien Covenant, that movie, I love Alien. I love Aliens. I love the entire concept of space exploration and Alien Covenant is just that movie is just ridiculous. So that's something that I had to get out at some point. Even with some Prometheus, if that was. Yeah, Prometheus is one of the most frustrating movies because like they introduced some things that could have been interesting and then they just said, fuck it. We're doing something else in Covenant. Didn't answer any questions. It's kind of ridiculous. But I would have to say the rings of power would probably be the starting point because it took me like three years just to get to like 300 subs and things started to blow up around the rings of power time and yeah, everything, everything really came together after that. So trying to see what's the best path forward for me. And no, it was great to actually find to meet you guys. Yeah, no, it's good to meet you too. And it's just, it's just, I always warn people. I'm like, you know what's going to happen here. Right? This is a long bone has come and done this with us several times. So she's ready going through just hours and hours of talking about what actually happens in this show as opposed to simply saying it's bad. That's what we do. Oh, no, come on now. I think I've been here for the majority of the breakdown. So this isn't anything new. Like I would have been in the chat anyway. So I'm shocked this shows as bad as bad as it is. I'm ready to fuck it up for sure. Well, fun ahead. But yeah, as you pointed out, probably a good place to start in terms of this, this does feel like something's happening. I saw a J tween out this like gone to the point where there's just not even an understanding of what shows are even out for the MCU. What is even going on? What even like in the I assume chat knows. Don't know if everyone here knows, but the lowest rated episode of any MCU show is the finale for this show. And the MCU subreddit has basically revolted. They've been talking a lot about which they hate this, which is rare. They like everything that comes out for the MCU. They will eat up. Oh, boy, they will eat that slop up. I saw there was a post about it on the subreddit. He's like, Hey, look at this. Like, why would this be something to celebrate? It is like because they finally, finally seeing they can see, let them, I don't know, enjoy it for at least a moment. That last episode, I know a lot of people saying it's like the worst thing ever. There's plenty of the worst thing ever throughout this show. But yes, I'm looking forward to just discussing that sixth one. Holy fuck, they're out doing them. That had it all isolated in one. Like there were sprinkles of it throughout the season, but episode six was like, yeah, okay. That's just everything you could possibly think of in terms of damage. That's pretty rough. Yeah. I don't know because it's been a while since we would have talked about it, but I was, I always liked superhero stuff. I was like, I was watching, you know, like X-Men when it came out as opposed to get into it later or something. Same for the Daredevil, the Ben Affleck one. I don't even know how many people have seen that movie anymore. Yeah. Ghost Rider, one with Electro. Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell is bullseye. Classic. So, but when time the MCU rolled around and Iron Man came out, all it was was just like, holy fuck, feels super cool. And then it was like, we're going to make more of them in the same universe. Okay, sure. And then I actually, I think I remember mentioning this at some point, but I did not like Age of Ultron that much and I didn't like Winter Soldier that much and I didn't like Iron Man 3 that much. I didn't like Thor 2. So I was like, this is working out for me, but then Guardians, I felt like pulled it back, because obviously I've skipped over the part where it was really fun with Avengers and everything. And then Civil War made me like Super Hype and Infinity War was super fun. And then I think that was probably the highest of all of it for everybody pretty much, right? Like at least for the global culture, Endgame Infinity War, I've said before, but I'll say it again, if they could release every project in 2019, they would have. Yeah. Everything. You know, like all of these would have made like a billion dollars if it was slamming in between there. That would be the most interesting test, right? Imagine releasing Secret Invasion in that time slot or Euras slot and see what the difference would be. It would have made a billion. Yeah. I mean, if Captain Marvel can make a billion. Well, and the fun thing now is if Love and Thunder came out today, we think it would even go past 400 million. No, probably not. Especially after everything that's happened. It's just, it's too tainted. When the casuals are waking up to it, that's when the numbers are really going to drop. Oh, yeah. Someone mentioned in chat is with mentioning someone fucking there's this thing going around that Secret Invasion is the Andor of Marvel. What the fuck? What? It's what do you mean? The only similarity is that people didn't watch Andor and see Red Invasion because they were burnt out. That's the only similarity they had. I think it was the, it was, it was more serious. I think that was it. It's like, this is more, this is like grounded. It's a giant alien line through space. I would say that that is basically all that there was to it. I gave it points for being grounded and tonally refreshing after all the multiverse, after all the multiverse bullshit. It's not tonally refreshing. That's the thing. Like, it's the most. No, no, that's my thing. I was totally depressing. The first two episodes, I was giving it credit for that for like, at least I'm like, at least I can keep track of what's going on. But then it started to get into nonsense really quickly. I mean, having like, cause it starts with like two guys chasing each other in like dark alleyways and roof tops and stuff. And it spies like, okay. This is compare that to Dr. Strange's opening. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm at. Two people running. Same thing. Yes. The dark alleys of the multiverse. No test for creatures. I don't. It's Shanti. Gary could be here at any moment. I actually, I don't know. We'll see. And same for disperu. So if you get surprise attacks from either of them, don't worry. That was planned. Well, if we do. Oh, sorry. If we do all answer that question, I'd love to hear Gary's too. Oh, yeah. Of course. That was history with Marvel. I was going to say, I went up to essentially Endgame and it's because the rest of it then is all on record for the people who watch this channel. We've been covering a lot of them. If they've come out a lot more than a lot of people will and yet we still haven't covered all of it. We didn't do Hawkeye, Miss Marvel. We really didn't really do Eternals. We kind of did. I'm going to watch that. We sort of half did Shang-Chi as well. I mean, we, it was a couple of hours on that, right? I think. I remember now. Um, but we definitely did Love and Thunder. We're kind of forever. Multiverse of madness on to mania. They get it. Oh, what a disaster it's been. And then all the TV shows in between and this one, um, this genuinely feels like one of probably several projects they're going to do with it. Just they're just mopping up a few more assassinations. Like we haven't ruined everything yet. Give us a sec. We've almost got it. And it's like, that one's not ruined. Get it. And it's like, okay, there you go. Um, it seems like that's all the show achieved. Yeah. That's it. Kind of incredible. Like some of it I, um, I think I said to drink or I was just like, you, how could I possibly be surprised still? And it's like, still am. I don't know. Just like, still have. But yes, uh, I guess that would be me. So anyone else go next. What's next? Uh, in terms of history with the MCU or history with Marvel in general, like even prior to stuff. Hero superhero genre. Oh, well, I mean, it's probably the pretty normal one, right? Like watching superhero movies every now and then that we're coming out during like the 2000s X-Men. Yeah. I guess some of the other ones too. Like Daredevil and fantastic for and then it was, it was mainly because I think it's for a lot of people. It's Avengers was the, where it started to synthesize obviously those earlier MCU projects. It's like, oh, wow, this is like a really cool idea. And then yeah, phase two wasn't so good, but then it sort of picked up again with phase three, which was cool. And then obviously I don't think that it was after end game that things got bad. I think it was before end game that things got bad and it's been downhill since then. So that's about it. End game is when things got irreversible, but it was getting bad before that. Well, it's just cause I think that a lot of people look at the last couple of years with phase four and five and it's like, oh man, after end game, everything went downhill, but the reality is the end game really set them up for a difficulty going forward. Everything to do with like the snap and the ramifications from that time travel element that's available. And then even just like starting to sow the seeds for the multiverse really it was like end game set them up for this era. But even then it's, it's been shocking kind of like it's getting a little bit tiresome to just be like, yeah, it's absolutely terrible. Like it's good. It's absolutely awful. Like and it's not even that it's just a bad film or a bad TV show. It's like disastrous cataclysmic. That's getting boring to say, but it just keeps happening to be the case. The missed opportunities with actually taking advantage of the blip all the stories you could have told all the blip stories, all the things that could have changed within the world. Like I've heard you guys mentioned this before. I agree. You didn't even need big name actors or characters. You could have just had regular people stories of people different people who are affected by the blip. You could have got really creative with it. It would be a low budget and it probably would have like been way better than all this crap and it we could get continuity through that. But I feel like they've just given up completely. They don't even remember what happened to Marvel. Well, part of the problem is nobody talks to each other. These people are working on their projects basically in a vacuum pretty devoid of information and seemingly not and seemingly in some cases not even that interested or willing to find out what's going on elsewhere. Like some of these don't even remember their own history level and like the broader history of the universe that they're in. They don't even. Well, this is spoilers for further. We're going to talk about this I'm sure. But they I'm pretty sure they contradict the scroll the rules for the scrolls that they established and Captain Marvel. They completely contradict that that in this show. Like it's just it's a complete 180. I don't know how they messed it up that bad. I'm sure we'll get into that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll likely go chronological and boiler free according to chronological breakdown. But at the same time, welcome to jump ahead. There are some things that we really should say for when it's revealed. You guys are going to know exactly what I'm talking about. There's like there's like three or four or five major topics and then some other just terrible stuff because yeah, we're not just going to call it bad and be like it's it's the worst thing ever. It's like no, we're going to go through it in detail explain any last thing I found and others found that we liked and didn't like and then compare it with other things go through in the details. But we still only managed to do I think it was me and Fringy now. So I guess who wants to go next? We're going to vote and then why they like superhero stuff will maybe don't anymore. Um, I can't really remember where it started for me with superheroes. I think before before EFAP really became a thing before TLGA and my my awakening, so to speak and just sort of my mindset changing on this sort of thing. I wasn't I wasn't really into him. I wasn't really against him. Superhero stuff was just sort of it was out there. It was a thing. It was like its own little genre slash topic of fiction and I didn't feel very strongly about it one way or the other. So yeah, not really an exciting answer, but I got into it more and more because of EFAP, I think. And then I started to become more and more invested in it as a result. And you know, it's it's been, you know, historically negative for a long time now. We got you in just quick enough to see everything full apart. Yeah, I think the timeline is something about something like that. For me, it goes way way longer back like childhood, the Spider-Man cartoons, X-Men cartoon loved all those and for me, I always just thought it was a misunderstood genre for a lot of people just thought it was nonsense to me. It was a mix of a character study with the fantasy sci-fi element element and like you put those two things together and there's just pretty much any story you can tell. So I always was interested in superheroes. Watched the first Spider-Man come out in theaters, X-Men, all the like the first Hulk, the first daredevil, the Ben Affleck one, all those other ones. They're all right. I love the X-Men movies, but it was the first Iron Man where I'm like, okay, we kind of we know Batman, sorry Batman begins and the first Iron Man. I think that movie doesn't get enough credit just making me, I want the genre to be taken seriously and I felt like those movies took it seriously to where non superhero fans could appreciate it. And I watched Avengers in theater, I thought that was fantastic and then I thought it was all downhill from there. I ignored the rest of the MCU. I remember seeing the poster for Civil War thinking, wow, this is what they've come to. We got Iron Man and fucking and Captain America fighting each other. Ha ha ha, this must be fucking nonsense. I was completely wrong. I actually entered from the hype of Black Panther. I'm like, let me go see if this is actually like legit. I went to go see and like check out like pretty much get up to date on the MCU and Civil War just blew me away. I couldn't believe how seriously they took it and I was hoping like, man, are they all like this? Let me go check. Oh, they weren't, they weren't, they weren't. I was hoping they all were going to be that quality and I watched Age of Ultron. I watched Assembly, all the middle MCU movies. I wasn't super impressed by, by most of them, but the ones that really stood out to me, First Iron Man, Civil War and Infinity War. Thanos just blew me away. So I think it's just a mixed bag. I think there's certain movies in it that are so good that it elevates the entire franchise, but overall not all of them are that fantastic. Like there's, there's, there's five like truly good MCU movies in my opinion, but I love the genre pretty much. Well, yeah, and they, you know, even the ones that let's say like, you know, like Thor One. I don't hate it or anything. Yeah. Great or anything. I would way prefer we get that and whatever this was. Of course. Well, they did what they were supposed to do. They introduced the characters. They didn't destroy anything. It's kind of fascinating because when you go back and rewatch the films in phase one, a lot of the time it's like, yeah, I mean, you know, like even the ones that aren't as good and usually hitting the same pretty standard story beats, you know, in terms of like characters going on their little journeys and their little arcs, like Thor, right? It's a good example. It's him learning to be less arrogant, more humble, actually embody the traits of a hero and it's pretty generic and pretty straightforward, but compared to where we're at now, like something that's even marginally coherent is kind of refreshing. They had a, they actually had a vision for those stories back then, even if they weren't great movies, there was a goal that they wanted to achieve with the characters. There was a, there was a plan. Now it's just nonsense. Like Thor, Thor 11 Thunder, it's really hard to get me to just turn a movie off and not finish it. I turned that shit off. I don't even know how it ended. I don't blame you. Yeah, it's one of my favorite, he's one of my favorite actors. I really respect Hemsworth after that Infinity War scene with Rocket and like, I feel like his character has been just pissed away since then. Everything about the movie is frustrating. I, it's hard if you were to compile a list of the most like most wasted MCU characters and like actually take a criteria to judge it by. I don't even know who'd come out at the top. If there's so many different ways to look at the, the damage, but Thor has to be near the top because of the potential and the, the amount of time he's been in the franchise sucks. Feels nuts too. Cause it's like, what's the next thing? It's like the Marvels. That looks so crap. It looks so crap. Like we're all ready to tease that movie, but like just fit like, I thought they come up with something better than that. Like they really, this is one of their last opportunities to do something with this character and they're just kind of, this looks like garbage. Well, that leaves Jay Longbone. You know what, say whatever you want it because I know that you love this show and you checked it out instantly and then I was like, you're like, you better bring me on to talk about it. And I was like, okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. Oh, well, you know, I've always been into the superhero shit, like since Batman 89 and that kind of blew me away as a small child and then the second one came out and that was even better, my opinion. And it was mostly it was like the darker superhero shit came back, came out back in the day, you know, and mostly just DC. And then of course I saw Sam Raimi's dark man and that was, I thought that was awesome. You know, the whole early 2000s superhero genre was kind of like a fever dream. It's like, what the fuck have you done? But I approach like back in the day, I approached those films like they're basically like action movies, but like it's more more heroic than normal. Like you put Arnold in a fucking rubber suit. That's how I this is how I saw them. But then it's like that kind of changed as soon as the the MCU came along. It became a little bit more than that. Like we were talking about multiverses and sci-fi shit and iron man because I was already a fan of like Robert Downey Jr. when Iron Man came out. So I was already going to see it. And then like that was like, oh, man, they brought this motherfucker back from the dead. It was awesome. Yeah. And then yeah. And then they, of course, universe followed that and the second Iron Man wasn't really that great. But I saw that I was excited to see that too because Mickey, see I'm about actors really. Yeah, they said Mickey Rourke was going to be in Iron Man too. I was like, oh, he's going to kill it. He's going to kill it. And then he didn't because he didn't give him anything to work with. Nope. She gave them they gave him a bird. He had to give him a fucking. Yeah. But it wasn't his bird, dude. Oh, I don't even remember the context of whose bird it was. I remember him with a shitty haircut and a bird. And he's fucking multicolored dreads. And I'm like, what the fuck? That film was yeah. It's a weird one. I am into the guy with the glasses. Like he wasn't the villain, but he was like the sidekick to the villain. Oh, hammer. That whatever he was, there was a, I think that is, but he, I remember him being good, like him being the best part of that movie. And it kind of sucks that everything else is shit. And that's because Sam Rockwell is awesome. Table is always good all the time. And it's a it's a insane that they hadn't brought him back as or kept him in. But there was always a problem with the MCU. They never knew what they had a lot of the time. He's one of the people I think of who's like best performance in a shit movie. Like he just he just carried that for the roles he was in the scenes he was in. Yeah. He's probably just wouldn't be caught dead in this shit anymore. A lot of actors feel that way. You know what? I think there's definitely at least two actors that felt that way, judging from Secret Evasion. We will talk about the two of them as we get there. Ooh, I didn't hear that. Nice. So well, no, I don't mean like any quotes. I just mean judging from what happens to them in this show. That's all. But yeah, with that, I suppose we can get on with it. Now, of course, before going into Secret Invasion, you have the fun homework of making sure you see Captain Marvel. This is like a direct sequel to that. Fun homework is yeah. Yeah, it's fun. It's so funny to be like, why would why are you doing this? Like what's the scroll storyline? This is gonna be great. And I guess it hasn't even ended with this one. It'll keep going in somewhere else at some point or something. There's a arguably a cliffhanger on this series in relation to Skrulls and some other stuff. But yeah, you need to know about Talos. But by the way, this is getting confusing. Some characters call him Talos. Some call him Talos. So it's it's it's obviously Talos, but they insist that the name is Talos, which is confusing. I don't know why they decided that Talos would be the pronunciation of it. It is confusing. Talos saying it is it. Hey, Los, hey, I go confused. I was like, I could have sworn it was Talos. But OK. Hey, yeah, because well, because like Skyrim and stuff like that, you think that it's Talos, right? Like it. And plus like Talon, everything like that. You look at that like, oh, yeah, that's Talos. Yeah, like, because that's what my brain because of all the other things in media where you know that. But no, it's Talos. And it's like, oh, this sounds worse and it's confusing. So, yeah, he and his his scrolls, you know, we're catching up with them. What did they do after the events of Captain Marvel? Because we haven't seen them in all of the MCU at all other than that, except like cameos, obviously far from home where they like joyfully trying to do Fury's job, which was always like, don't know what the context for that is. Hopefully that'll make sense in future. It didn't. And then that's about it, I think. I don't even I'm trying to think of where else they popped up because it's Ben Mendelsohn. He's pretty good. You're going to want to use that. Mendelsohn. But, you know, he's in the bag with the rest of them like Michael Douglas, Bill Murray. There's a laundry list. It's just going to I'm going to blank now because it's like been so long. But oh, Ben Kingsley. That's not obvious. Another one. Obviously, Michael Rock, we just went over. It's it's it's wrong. My Lawrence Fishburne is all these actors. I didn't remember his ass. Nobody remembers any of these fucking rolls. I don't remember, and I don't have it in my room. But of course, this series is predicated on the scary idea that what if the person next you you couldn't trust that they were who they say they are? Oh my gosh, that's just I mean, it's just like the Internet. But I mean, you know, it's it's not new. And it's we actually ended up watching a couple of movies that, you know, play with the idea. Good old body snatcher type situation. Yeah, it was a bit of a bit of a coincidence, but we did go on a body snatcher-esque arc. We watched the invasion of the body snatchers, the thing, the invasion, the faculty. Yeah, so many stories that do it better. We've got we've set to watch another body snatchers movie, but we've been busy with other things. But yes, there are so many better attempts at it than this show and this show only tickles at trying to get some payoffs that you'd be like, why haven't you done this? Then they kind of half do one. You know, like that was almost something that doesn't make sense because this that the other tickling tickling is being generous. Yeah, I can't they barely I think there's like one or two scenes where someone even asks if like or even tries to confirm whether or not this person's a scroll. And it's a situation where they already know like it's so ridiculous. It's yeah, I can't even put a waste is one of the biggest wasted opportunities not using the concept properly. Every conversation in the show should begin with are you a scroll? The tension should have been in every single conversation, just like the thing. And they just ignored it. Yeah, for God, it was a part of the show. Oh, there's so many instances and we'll have to point them out where all that gets fucked up. It did literally opens with one like the show. Exposition man. Exposition man. He's got a good voice though. Is that terrible? That's what he bastard. No, he's got a very cool voice. I like his you know the meme which I can't I know what shows from but you know the meme with the guy and with all the shit on the wall. Yeah, yeah, he's that big. I'm like, why would you even even the way they framed it? Like people are just going to laugh at this. I couldn't take it seriously for a second. This guy was a joke. Yeah, this guy. Yeah, it's funny too because it's just like person we've never heard of explaining a whole bunch of very nuts and bolts story premise to us. It's like, oh God, like we're already off to the but that could be present in like an okay story. So, you know, you think maybe there's some hope there? They won't be yet. I think it isn't it opens with the narration. It's like imagine a world where information can't be trusted where society starts to fray where all we can turn to the people we care about but what if the ones closest to us is someone else? Oh, it's like the MCU. Pretty much. Yeah, I can't trust anything. And so yeah, this guy's all upset because there's a bunch of terrorist attacks happening and he believes they're all orchestrated by Skrulls because what they'll his theory is the Skrulls attack places and then blame it on other people to try and so like global, I guess tensions to try and start up a world war. I'm not sure if he had a theory for exactly why that's happening. I think he says like a chain reaction to consume the globe. Which I don't know how he found out all of this. The show doesn't. It just tells us he did. It's like, are you okay? Okay, then. And the funny thing is he's explaining all these wild theories and crazy things. And Ross Everett Ross is just sitting there being like, I don't know. So it's all that believable. And I was just like, how would someone this paranoid not have a check for Skrull thing first? You'd be like, you know, you've got to prove you know Skrull. First thing on my notes is how is Exposition man this paranoid? Yeah, he just started dumping all this out to someone without even checking if he's a Skrull. Well, there's no possible test that they could do in order to do a Skrull test. It's just really long and complex. You need special technology for it. It's a real it's a really in-depth sort of process. You can't just you can't just check, you know. So yeah, I think I think he paranoid guy hands him his all his fucking information or something puts it in his hand. Yeah. And then realizes, oh wait, I can't trust you and then tries to wait a minute. You see his face is like, wait. This is really shit line where he's like I have the motherload of evidence. This will prove absolutely everything all here right here. I don't even know who I can trust anymore except for you. It's like okay. All right, whatever you say. And you might have thought like, oh, what's the thing that tips him off then? Like, is there something he says or something he does and it's like, no, he just thinks about it and then it's like you're a Skrull and they start fighting. Yeah, I think there'd be some catalysts or something, but he just literally realizes all fuck. I'm a dumb ass. Tackle this fucker. Like that's pretty much what happened. Yeah. And then they start fighting and it's like this is so shit. So I guess you could say he's Skrull Ross now or I guess we're not supposed to know that yet, but I don't mind. We'll probably do a little bit of the jumping ahead to make scenes, make a little bit more sense. But I guess at this point, you're supposed to be with Ross in thinking, what in the hell's going on? This is a crazy, crazy day because he ends up shooting this this guy. Press card that steals his stuff or takes it whatever and he's going to meet up with Maria Hill. Remember here? We like, we like Maria Hill. What was that? That's like trivia. When was the last time we saw Maria Hill? Like, um, was it far from home? I actually don't know. I have no idea. What she got snapped. I think she got snapped with Yuri. I think that might be the last time where she's are. My God. Well, so do we not see her in end game at all? No, he's why would she be like at the very end? Was she at the woman? She was. Yeah. She was at the woman scene with her. She's in the woman scene. Oh, I can just say the woman scene and you know, because far from home was after end game, right? She was in that, but at least the actress was in that because she was a scroll though, like, like, but like, in a, in a way that was supposed to be as far as I remember, which means that she was on Saber. I don't even know what the fuck it's too hard to keep track of, but yes, Maria Hill is back. Get excited. I was going to ask you, I was going to ask before you continue, maybe something we can do going forward. Did anyone think that this was Ross? Like I called. No, I figured he was a scroll straight away. Yeah, I knew that. Well, it's the beginning of the show. I was expecting that we got to have our reveal. You know, yeah, because it's the premise of the show. So they'd want to open with being like, you can't trust anything. Look, that's not even the guy you thought it was. But I feel like they kind of shoot themselves in the foot a little bit because you kind of expect it. But you also have the Prescott guy. Like I mean, he had valid concerns that he believes he's a scroll. So you're just like, well, is he and then I think they try and leave it up in the air somewhat because Ross starts getting chased by mysterious man. It's like, oh my God, who's the bad guys? What's happening? And like there's such an awkward chase. I don't know if it's because maybe they're like a little older now. Certainly Martin Freeman's not like fucking in his 20s or anything. How old is he now? Is he fifties? He's maybe. I don't know, but they run into this building and it's so obvious that they're like right next to each other and they could totally catch up. It's so like guys, you couldn't get stunt doubles that were faster. Like, come on. Space them space them together. Yeah, further. You know, I'm looking at the clip right now. He could reach out and grab him. You can just grab him. He's just running fast and you they both do. Speed and you got that guy. They do a bit of a waddle like when they get close. He's like, oh, I can't get you. Ah, shit. He accidentally tripped. He would have fallen forward and caught him. Yeah. Yeah, he's so close. But I suppose as people point out, it's like, yeah, but these are the people behind the the chase scenes in Obi-Wan Kenobi, right? So what do you expect? Oh, God, no, they suck at chases of any kind pretty much. Little bit. And so yeah, they keep chasing and I mean, it's worth saying now that this the guy who's chasing Skrull Ross is Talos and he's got a gun, I believe or you should have a gun anyway. I can't remember if he actually is shown to have a gun, but both as far as I'm aware Ross has a gun and he knows this guy chasing him is bad news and he never shoots him. When if he did, it would have fucked up the whole show killing Talos, but he just doesn't. It's a classic. He's on the run. It's just like we've seen him use a gun doesn't want to use it to defend himself even though he's it'll be easy to slip back in. But yeah, it's always the same thing. Anyway, he does a jump that's a little bit ill advised. And I think we're supposed to be shocked because it's like you're going to make it boom. No goofy. Not as much as I that job absolutely sucked. Like he didn't even put any effort. He just fell literally ran and just flailed like there was no momentum. He didn't leave. There was no upward trajectory. He just completely fucked that up. Such a goober and crap job. Yeah. I was like, is this the comedy of the show? Are we supposed to be horrified? I don't know. This guy is dead like completely just hit the floor and we will be horrified. You'll know his story like you what are those effects on him? Like that. My friends is CG wounds because just oh yeah. The CG wounds at the end. That was it was so obvious. Why can't you just put some red shit on his face? We see rags. They're like, well, because he's going to turn into a scroll in a minute. So we've got to have it all be CG. So why give a shit? Exactly. But the funny thing is like it's not that same shot. If it was the same shot, I'd maybe give him a bit more breathing room. But even then it'd be like why does it look so shit and you can still do it when you have physical wounds on. You're still turning this actor into a different. Yeah, actor. You know what I mean? You're still CGing over it. It doesn't matter if he's got the red flume on his face or not. So yeah, it just so distracting. Yeah, Ross is an evil scroll and he was trying to subvert the agent Prescott man from exposing the fact that scrolls are up to no dawn good. But what no dawn good are they up to? That's what the series is going to be about. And so Maria teams up with the Talos here and so kicks off our plotline and though kicks off the intro. We were talking about. Yeah. Um, I don't know. We kind of talked about it earlier. It's it's the shit you've seen that everyone's been talking about online where you have an AI prompt approximate some shit and they're using the flaws of that process to try and sort of, you know, support the idea of the show which is that scrolls approximate human beings and they're quite right. And like some of the imagery could be argued as like, oh, this seems like I could draw something out of this. But most of it just it's just I don't know. It was off put into me and unappealing and kind of just like, yeah, I don't mind the song, the theme song. Yes, fine. It's a little fine. It's a little boring. Yeah. I was memorable. I watched four episodes yesterday and I couldn't even like comment in my head right now. It's maybe I was just too distracted. When, when, when, when? Oh, yeah, something like that. Yeah, they use it a lot and that's going to be another that'll come up as criticism. Don't you want? I keep my mind wants to go to the Incredibles. Yeah, music instead, which is far older and yet somehow far more memorable. I should hope so be an imagery like this. You're just like, this just looks unfinished, man. I'm sorry. No, but that's OK. It's supposed to look unfinished. It just looks like a concept. Someone was showing someone like a rough draft or something and they just said, fuck it, just put it in. It just doesn't seem there's something missing to make it pop. I don't know. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, I think the logic behind it was like, look how it morphs like, like scrolls morphing. Oh, transformation. Wow. It's just looks like garbage. That lasts for like eight seconds, but then you have like two more minutes of the trailer to get through. Like, oh, it's cool for a split second. That's it. It would be like, you know, it's not a piece of shit that I shot on the floor. It's represents like a spaceship that's crashed down and splattered onto the ground. It represents a piece of shit that I shot on the floor. He's just like, but it's still shit though. No, you can frame it any way you want. It's shit. Like it's just pretty much where we're at. Yeah, I know. And this just this is what pissed off the Internet beyond the events of the episode, which is planning your shit that happens in the episode. Don't make no sense either. But yeah, we get through it. It's a fucking long intro. It really is some scanning through now. It's like, there you go. Finally. Yeah, cause we're already if like a fifth into the full first episode now. It's like, does it feel like that? No, thank God. Fury arrives on Earth from Sabre. We don't know what's Sabre, fucking this is kind of funny, right? Cause we don't even they don't really know. They keep referring to it as a station. It's like, I guess it's who does Sabre work for as an organization? It's like American government, I think. No idea. We really haven't been told. The implication in this show is that the president has control of a Sabre and the fury leads it. So that's all we got. And he's been up there for a while, which by the way, has been a bit of a question in the other sort of stories being told in phase four and arguably five. Where the fuck you been, buddy? And I guess now we know he's back. It's like, all right, gonna have to answer some questions. They do give you answers. They suppose. I know. Answers are provided whether or not they are substantive answers or satisfying ones. I don't know. There he is. Look at him. There's a chair, a couple chairs. He meets up. Look at that. Good old Talos. And it was like immediately distracting. He has a little alien plant in a plant pot. And the fury is like, oh, is that from home? And then Taos is like, yeah, it's a Skrull sky plant. It's adapting to your planet already. I was like, what was that mean though? Is it funny? A writer clearly treats it as like this fun, special, nice, cute thing. And he's just like, you're not going to destroy the ecology of this area, are you? Exactly. Well, if you change the inflection and have him say, yeah, it's adapting to your planet already. It's like an evil villainous thing. Oh, just like, it's an invasive plant potentially. Those can be really destructive to a lot of ecosystems. Fucking space kudzu is great. We skipped over a part. You're talking about the Talos plant scene, right? Oh, well, I mean, hey, I'm not going to cover absolutely everything, but if you've got any notes you want to cover on things, go ahead. One thing I thought was really intentional was the very first thing he does is start limping as soon as he gets out of the ship. They want us to know right away that this guy's a bum. Like you guys need to know. Yeah, for 30 immediately. Only interrupted seconds. He's just limping for a little bit. Yeah, I don't. They don't give us anything for that, do they? That he's just limping. His knee's fine the rest of the season. So it was one of those moments of like, make sure they know he's shit right away. And then they forgot to continue the continuity of the knee. I don't remember the. He got better and healed. He popped it back into place That's why I was like, wait, what's going on here? He's old. There we go. Now we're all caught. Old people's knees don't work. Trev. Oh, man. But now I know where you guys are. Yeah, by the way, him saying it adapted to the planet is only to like the only reason the flower is there to prompt him to then say, you always believe that like the Skrulls could adapt to the planet. The Tows is like, I still do. You know, they basically Tows' wife died. And that's why fury has come down or at least that's why he claims to come down. The whole season has loads of different reasons given for why he went up to the station and why he went down and why he stayed away. Like they keep bringing it back up and sometimes it's not even fury that's giving the reasons so you can't tell what the fucking show thinks. It's no idea why he did anything. They kept giving you. Yeah, you're right. They had so many different explanations from different people where you can't even keep track of what the actual story was. Mm hmm. And I feel like a harder it is to follow what's going on. The harder it is to notice that it's all fucked. That's their trick. Yeah, that's how they get you. Seeing people talk about how this got reshoots and it changed around the story based on other things happening, but there's also just very clear evidence specifically as to why the Avengers aren't here. There's some obvious reattempts that explaining that in the season. Remember, we're supposed to be an MCU. Yeah. They just don't give a fuck. Throwaway lines like, oh, yeah, we'll get to it. So, yeah, the wife was killed by I can't remember if we find this out relatively. I think we find it out this episode. She was killed. We'll find out who Leia, who did it, but also his daughters disappeared and that he was kicked off the Skrull Council. Talos. So basically everything's fucked. Sorry, when you say the Skrull Council, it makes me laugh. I mean, what? You've been kicked off the Skrull Council. Vanished. What's that? Well, it's the Council of Skrulls. What did you think it was? I don't know. You know, fair enough. It's just funny that it's called the Skrull Council. You know, it's funny. I don't mind the name Skrulls, but you add anything to it and it sounds like shit. Super Skrull. Like, new Skrullers. Yeah, new Skrulls. Yeah, like, that's the one. That's the one. How come it's Talos, but it's not Skrullos? Skrullos. Yes, they are. Yeah, we got, like, we got, we got work to do because everything's falling apart. And someone, he mentioned someone called Gravic who has taken Fury's abandonment hard, which is already like abandonment. It's getting weird. What's going on? And, you know, your suspicions of Fury did not get them a planet or even remote safety on Earth sorted. That will be confirmed soon enough. But, um, he's like, you know, where, where is this Gravic guy? And he's like, well, he's in Russia because Skrulls are immune to radioactivity and Russia has the most abandoned nuclear plants. That is the reasoning that they are in Russia. Oh, yeah. It just sounds really funny to me. It's like that argument works, doesn't it? You're like, I guess. Yeah, don't think about it. Don't think I don't know that they're power plants and they're obviously going to like, you can't, you're not going to be able to forget the location for those things. Imagine they said like, you're like, where are the humans hiding? It's like, well, they're immune mostly to wind. So they're probably in the windiest place. You're like, what? It's just, just these throwaway lines that they think and you, it's, yeah, they think they can get away with murder, which is a throwaway line. It's insane. Everything. The HQ could theoretically be anywhere, but he's like, yeah, but they're immune to radiation. So obviously they go into a nuclear plant. Like, that makes sense logically. It follows, you know, you know how you guys, you got, you know how Russians suck, right? So, yeah. The, uh, the easy one. And so it's like, okay, so we can find them, right? Pretty easily. And he's like, well, the plants aren't on the books. We have no idea where he is. And it's like, how, how, how are the, even if they're not on the books, I feel like something you can find through like satellites, especially with the technology they have in the MCU. It was like, they're in secret, run down abandoned nuclear plants. Mahler, they couldn't find the red room. What makes you fucking think they can find an entire facility? Oh, but that has like invisible technology from like the Dracov guy. Remember, he wanted to stop women from happening. This one's called the, this one's the green room. Remember, you can smell them. He could just be out there. We've been, we'll get him. Draco gets taken over the world involves pheromones. I don't know, man. Draco gets a mention in this show. It's wonderful. He's remembered. I ignored. Why do I remember doing all this shit that they forget, but they're going to keep the Dracov continuity. That's what Dracov's great. What are you talking about? He was awesome. I loved him. Dracov's really cool. Remember when he said all of the embarrassing things he said? So many. And then that's what I'll say. He sucked in like he wanted to cry. Yeah. No, I don't trust me. Look at all this shit I got. Look, look at my phone. He starts flicking through his fucking screen job. Fuck that. Don't drink. Look at my intro. I used a prompt. I am an artist. Okay. I am an artist. Don't tell me to stop or stop. I'm the prompting. I can't believe that. Oh, I'm just fruiting. Girl, I'm fruiting. They hate the girls. I'm fruiting. He just fucking hates women. I don't know. What a great villain. Well, I mean, the MCU is doing a really good job of making me hate women, too. Yeah. So, Draykov is this shows Ken. It's not to skip for it, but but there's a single scene. I'm sure you guys probably what I'm talking about that involves a handshake that really reveals what the true intention of this whole show was at the end. If you know what I'm referring to. Hmm. There's a handshake in the intro. It's all coming together. Keep that in mind. Just keep that in mind handshake. I agree, Chad. It's Draykov in time. So the stakes are press guard that agent that got killed by Ross Skrull. He found out about a dirty bomb organized by the Americans Against Russia Organization. He believes wait, wait, what organization? The Americans Against Russia Organization. No, no, no. What's what's their name? Not there like their like their goal. The Americans Against Russia Organization. Well, it clearly doesn't understand what I'm saying because no one would actually call an organization that. So we'll just leave it there. Okay, right. This makes more sense. They call the AAR that are we're pirates. We're land pirates. That's a placeholder name. They're going to get the name at some point. But for now, yeah, they'll go with that. Um, and yeah, the belief is that Skrulls are going to orchestrate an attack that's in line with those guys and then argue that it is America attacking Russia, which we're going to get into a lot of this stuff because it starts getting really fucking dumb because I enjoy this shows grasp on geopolitics. It feels very real and sincere. Yes, I can believe it. All the things that it said are happening. I can because the response to that in the room is, oh my God, he's going to start a war between Russia and the U.S. Like, so you're going to so Skrulls are going to assume the roles of a group of people called Americans Against Russia and then they are going to bomb somewhere in Russia and that is hopefully going to prompt Russia to then launch nukes on the U.S. That that's the that's the plan from the Skrulls. What part of that? Yeah, this plan evolves as this as the season goes on. But yes, already our main characters are like, oh my God, this will cause World War Three is like, uh, no, not really no. And then they're like, how could you even be sure they have the kind of weaponry to do that when they say a weapons cache in Kazakhstan was raided same day. The agent Prescott was killed. I feel like that's irrelevant. Like they could have it anyway. Who knows the black markets all over place. All kinds of weaponry. I don't see why they're like the fact that a weapons cache was attacked recently means that they have what's in there. It's like, I mean, I could have been anybody and then all the other times that there wouldn't be a link because they happen on the same day, right? I mean, that there's just why would those things happen on the right? It's like, why would why would we assume that's anything but a coincidence? Why would have any reason to assume anything else? I don't know. It's yeah, it's weird information, but whatever. I think the show is a little bit like, oh no, no one would believe they have weapons unless we tell them that they've raided a cache of weapons. Okay. They have a bomb. It's very scary. And this is the whole that what I've just described now is like the plot stakes of the episode. Terrifying. So yeah, I don't know enough about what decommissioned power plants end up looking like, but I don't see how they're off the books. Yeah. There's probably so many ways to detect a power plant from just like radiation to there's probably so many different variables, things they can actually look to find it. I'm just wondering if you can just recognize it with an eye, like enough searching around. You'd be like, that's pretty big. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's one of many things that they try to brush over with blurry lines. That's one of the things that annoyed me throughout the whole season. Well, they have guards dressed up at the front with like actual like police attire and everything. They didn't just attack. Signatures, right? So I got on them. But like people are going to go by and like, oh, there's like a bunch of people here and they're dressed up in government outfits and they have guns and everything. Like, I don't know how you keep this victim. I don't think you have to keep bringing food in and out all the supplies and the trucks and stuff to keep this operation running. You have to bring in your bullets and your guns and your people and all the food and all the equipment and stuff you need. Like just as you get to logistics, nobody ever thinks about logistics. They don't care. The magic, essentially the magic laboratory that we'll get to later. I mean, like how, how do they build that in secret? All the kinds of stuff that you had to bring in. Don't you have to have like trucks, like actual trucks full of like of equipment of laboratory equipment and science technology? Who knows? I don't know. I guess not. I don't know. Well, we don't have to think about it. We don't have to worry about it. Well, remember, model, you might remember this, all the detail they went into showing how Gus established his lab under the laundry mark and breaking bad. Oh, yeah. That's medical. So the whole season on that, didn't they? Oh, no, I didn't see, I didn't see that. So I definitely got to check that show eventually, but I'm that just immediately comes to my mind of like shows that put in the details to show you the logistics and like it's so satisfying when you see the montages they would do so you can see how his business works. And then we have this where it's just like, oh, they're off the books. Don't think about it. It's, it's so lazy. It's crazy. Well, Mala, remember when we were watching the Great Escape? Yeah, they had to they had to worry about all the logistics of how we dig holes and tunnels and where all the wood comes from and the nails and all of our tools. Yeah, where does the dirt go? How do we get rid of it? You know, where's the intro? Where the entrance is going to be? Who are the lookouts? And you're like, oh, yeah, I can believe that like 80 people were able to escape a German POW camp. Yeah, because they're like, they're working to convince me. Like I believe it. This is something I don't believe. That's the key word. They're working to convince you. They care like those little details that they add in and just the rewatch value that that brings to the film is crazy. And with stuff like this on first watch, it makes no sense at all. I can't ignore. It's just glaring on that. No, like the first thing that should happen, they now are now aware of like a subversive alien element that's trying to cause huge like war. Like, OK, so tell the president. Right. Like tell America first thing you do. And then that doesn't get addressed. Like at all, because they're not they're not like wanted yet in the storyline. They will wait until that point before they even think about like show is wanted. Moller. Oh, but he should right now for his he should be calling Rody should be like, hey, Rody, I found out about a plan. And, you know, if me and Maria Hill and Talos can't stop it, then we're probably going to need some help because we're going to be around in Russia where explosions will be going off and they'll be linked to America, or at least you'll be framed for it because there's an alien race trying to take over the world. Just FYI just thought I'd throw it out. What? But no, they don't. They don't tell anyone. And like I said, there's like three different major reasons given across the season. The final big one that's given and we'll go over when we get to it as well. But is the theory says that this is his problem to take care of. That's why that's I mean I was I was about to say that's why Truman was flying the Enola Gay. That's why that happened in personally. I saw the Enola Gay. Oh, neat. You know what? Isn't gay the show? It's sad and depressing. Mm hmm. Well, gay in the slightest. It's really kind of like a huge issue and this is sort of like the biggest beginning element of the downfall of Nick Fury is a character. Oh, yeah. And his total destruction because his Nick Fury is done. He was done and he was done quick. Finished. This show did not take this show did not wait to establish how shit Nick Fury is and how stupid he is, which is, you know, his number one characteristic that we all know him for is being really stupid. Right. Yeah. He's not a very, you know, shrewd, clever guy. You know, who's imposing and interesting. Now he's just a he's just a dumbass, right? A grossly irresponsible loser. That's why I made sure we pointed out the the nice scene because I just thought it was straight into that's the very first thing they wanted to show us that he's well, you say it like they do mention he's like physically shit several times in the season. They talk about he's weak, you know, and you'll lame. You're tired. You beat down. You're a loser. The new Nick the show insists that he's a loser. It does. And well, like it like I said, big, big knock to intelligence already in this scene, but that's just like shitty plot for you. Yeah, it's it's huge. Him not telling people about the scroll stuff is just there's no reason not to and then being like, well, I have to deal with this. It's like, it's beyond you, my man. Like it's just selfish. I will stop them with me and my pistol. If it's already understood that the stakes are essentially the end of humanity. It's not just about you. It's about the world at this point. Yeah, but this is personal for him. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Then still. You say just he was never that selfish of a character. I just like the Nick. Well, I mean, it's just it's they couldn't afford to get other Avengers in. That's that's that's what Nick Fury is. He manages his tools and is, you know, yeah, of what use he has of water and it can be a person or it can be a thing, but he'll always use it right. That's like he's a strategist. That's like his whole thing. Since tire characters to be the mastermind behind the Avengers and like we never get these opportunities to see him shine. He got his moments in Winter Soldier, even though that movie's got its issues. I still at least appreciate that one scene with him, even though it fucking makes no sense in so many ways. It still gave him an opportunity to be a badass. You want to know what we have. You never Yeah, you would never want to underestimate him. He's always the one who he wouldn't believe that he's got surprises in store and he's thought ahead. Yeah, you want to see that when someone tries to kill him, they fail because he's that ready all the time. Like that's what I like about the idea of the scene. I he shouldn't be able to defeat like most opponents because he's a human, but he should be able to escape and like I'll think almost any situation. Yeah, just got emergency exits every way. Yeah, everything. But in this one, he's just getting draped up and thrown into vans and just like can't defend himself. It's ridiculous. I if I just had a Loki clip, I had to look through the first for one of my videos. I was looking at a Loki clip and I'm pretty sure Nick Fury would have popped Loki in his fucking head in that first scene. If like if it really came down to that, he's not afraid to die like so just the way they're portraying him now is man, it's it's complete bullshit. It's not the characters what they wanted out of them. Moving on, we get over to the the president and Rody who is now I keep asking for clarification. I can't remember if there's a quote somewhere about him being Secretary of State or not, but he is basically the number one to the president. Like what that Rody Secretary of State is like number three. So be president by president then Secretary of State. No, I don't mean how it works in real life. I mean in the show you mean he's always like with the president, essentially they're explicit in the show that the president doesn't do anything unless Rody tells him to basically. Yeah, okay, which feels really stupid and wrong, but whatever what are you going to do? Because the the angle is because and he calls him Colonel Rhodes all the time. Fury is that but the confusing part is the if he's Secretary of State that would outrank Fury, right? Fury is a part of Saber. Look, Fury, what is Fury even a part of at this point because she doesn't so well to give you that Fury is supposed to be developing the most complex aerospace defense system in the history of mankind on Saber station. But like what is that? Is he with like whatever rank he has? Because because this is the thing. Fury throws that at Rody in this film. He's you know this show. I think episode three says like Oh, you're firing me Colonel like like how can you do that to me when I'm a bigger and I was like I'm pretty sure he's above you. Like Rody was confusing to me. I thought I thought Rody outrank Fury before and now I didn't realize that Fury was above him but Fury didn't even have a role after she'll got disbanded. He quit didn't he? He went on the underground. But then he's like he's Saber now and it's like what does that mean? I don't even know what Saber is. Is that like part of sword or I assume it's it is a sword. I think that's very and it's yeah, I guess that's it. Do you have like US government sword is the new shield and then Saber belongs to sword. Wait, wait, sword the new shield you serious? Is it? I don't know if it is. Well, so I mean not like in the same not in that like it turned into that like the hydro stuff happened and all that got disbanded but they created sword and I think from what we have to go on it's an organization that's under the government's that control. You sure but like that I don't what does it mean is sword and espionage like they is that what they do? I don't know if they're like spies and stuff. I think I think they like is I think they're like shield like how whatever shield did they do that now. I like how they just can't like figure out what exactly they do. They give us so little information that their government organization is why I'm trying to get this out of the way now it's like what is Rody's power level in the government is like he's we got we know what ranks he has but ultimately he's he's kind of the second in command villain of this film because I mean that you've got gravity and then you've got him on the government side of things he's he's pulling strings. I guess I kind of gave away something there but I don't I don't think that's that's probably fine part of this is hard to discuss without knowing who who was the fucks going on. So yeah what you need to take away from this is Rody controls the president essentially and the president is this guy who I don't think he's had a mention before in anything. No and he won't have a mention again because it's going to be it's going to be the other Ross going forward. Yeah by Harrison Ford wait I was supposed to be Ross. No no this is this a guy called Ritzen but he's not going to be it's going to be the other Ross Thunderbolt Ross is going to be the president going I at least I liked Ross's character at least he had some agency this guy like the problem is that you saying I like I like a character doesn't really mean anything anymore when it comes to what they're going to what's going to happen to the they'll ruin him story right yeah I I wouldn't say I was looking forward to it yeah just Ross as a character compared to this guy I do appreciate I appreciate like he he had a backbone to him he's a good character they'll probably completely fuck him up. So yeah he's the president's like outrage that furious left saber and they've had no contact so even the show right now is like kind of highlighting that that's an issue and that your isn't really give a reason a good reason anyway for why this is happening they say Hill and Fury have reconnected but there's been no contact from them with us so they considered a wall and it's just why doesn't make any sense why they have so many people they can trust and rely on as part of I assume saber but now they're treating it as though they can only trust each other and then you're like wait how does fury know he can trust fury well this is the first of many instances where you wonder it's like okay guys anytime that you haven't seen somebody you got to you got to find out like if they're actually who they say they are because they'll use is an excuse for some stuff sometimes and you're like but you can't have it and not have it at the time you got to it's like you mentioned earlier with the convening it's every scene it should be there except except in this this show that's actually a lot easier to figure out who's who that I then in the thing the paranoia in the fit in the thing was like cemented throughout the entire story like they made sure every single scene and it was a part of everything the tension was you can see it consistently with this they use it when it's convenient for them and then they contradict it when and when it's when it's not it's it's it's and of course this this show has the big problem of this is the sci-fi like not even near future at this point hyper futuristic like MCU world that can like check for scrolls in a way that's like non-invasive and easy to use like with all the technology to already exist she telling me that there's no way to check like I mean we've got nanomachines some like re-re-William re-re-Williams would make something to find those in two seconds like re-re-broke everything when they met that character yeah she made an IMS to end and and a vibranium detector she made as well right if she could detect vibranium she could detect scrolls like well should that's what I mean when they create these characters and then they just ignore them directly after like really he would well if you move he's all for me it's radiation maybe you can like create a machine that detects things that like non-in-icing like biological you don't like I don't know there's so many there's so many ways around it but they just want us to not think about these things it's crazy so if you he gets kidnapped you know it happens a few times but I mean he's whatever he gets he walks outside grab them grab them but to be fair apparently this one he does argue this was intentional he wanted to be kidnapped okay that's why he has I mean what do you want me to do he said it Rags leave me alone the problem with that is that it's that it's a lie so it's just not true and so we'll see we'll see how this goes sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna make a statement here I know that it's very likely Fringian Rags will agree with it but I'm not sure about our other two guests here uh Olivia Coleman is introduced and she is the best character in the show yep much yes she is even if they kind of run her at the end yes yes she has she has one or two cringe lines but most the lines are actually pretty solid and she's the only character that gets to do things like she's Nick Fury she's kind of yeah she's much more like Nick Fury than Nick Fury is yeah it often seems like a dialogue was written by like somebody else it doesn't feel like it's along every aspect of her dialogue the way they portrayed her like they actually it just getting to be Boba Fett doing all the things he should have been doing and she kind of played this you know Fennec I've done last I didn't like Fennec I don't know what I said a lot I did not like Fennec at all and I like this lady but what I was my point was that Fennec was basically doing what Boba Fett should have been doing and I feel like this lady was doing what Nick Fury should have been doing if we were he was actually being portrayed great and with you on the whole because like Fennec does all the assassinations and she did like the successful chases and Other than that she's crap Well that's the thing they didn't they don't characterize her enough but like they don't anybody really Um yeah I get her a character when she's busy being Boba Fett that was my whole thing with her she took his character be be be thinking of making me he does he's he says funny thing interesting funny now anyway yeah so this is a character that I would argue is super important that we've never ever heard of before Uh old friend of Fury's. Currently, she operates the MI6 and she's in Russia because she's tracing this Skrull story and she's aware of it too. It's just like, so the British government know about Skrulls? Oh, this is, oh, well then the cat's out of the bag when it comes to the governments of the world knowing and everything like that because like that's not something that MI6 would keep to itself. MI6 would be like, oh shit, we need to tell our friends now if we know there are friends, we'll do the Skrull test, it's fine. But damn, this needs to get out in the open. Well, why, like if she knows about this, are they gonna do a Skrull test for Fury? Because this could just be a Skrull, like. Exactly. And yeah, he says, do you know about the heist in Kazakhstan and she says it doesn't ring a bell and then he's like, oh, you're lying. And then she says, and it's so not prompted at all and my God, is it clunky, you don't know what was taken, do you? Which tells me everything. I know, it tells me everything I need to know about this old Nick Fury. Thanos' snap changed you, taught you that no matter how hard you fight for what's right there's always someone stronger to undermine you. So this would be an instance where the dialogue was written by the same people because this is the show telling you who Nick Fury is and they have to keep telling you this because it really is hard to believe. But the show insists that this is the case, that the snap changed Nick Fury. And you're like, what is Nick Fury's art gonna be, right? Because he's the main character of the show and all you can gather is like, we've made him really shit so that by the end we'll be like, he's good now, he's cool now, he's good. But we'll talk about if they achieve that or not. Yark is him getting back to where he was. Pretty much, and yeah, she's just told us, we've never met this lady before and we've never known this about Fury but apparently the Thanos snap really fucked him up. And it's like the first thought you have is like, no it didn't. When? We watched him get snapped and we watched him come back and we saw his attitudes after it. Like there's no, what are you talking about? Our thing. That's how deep and subtle PT, this post-traumatic snap disorder can be. I think that if anything, he was probably the least affected and it makes a lot of sense because he just saw it as a strategy failure, right? Like he ended up dusted and so now it's up to the people who were left and hopefully he's put enough things in place. He gets, he comes back and then he's like, all right, time to stop fixing up the world again. There's no existential crisis that he has. Yeah, there's no room for that. He's not that type of character, he's just doing his good job. I guess I'm not sure we wanna save it for later, but it's kind of like trying to expand more on the actual sort of like, why the snap changed him, which is worth talking about when we get to it later. We're gonna get several moments in this film. I think, I keep saying that, this show. It is a film, like it's just split into six pieces. Cause like the episode lengths are bizarre, by the way. First two were like 45 minutes and then the next four are like 25. When you chop out the intro-outro previously on, you take a fucking enormous chunk out of the last few episodes, yeah. And so then when you think about the purported budget of this show of about $200 million and the house of the dragon cost about $200 million, the dragon had 10 episodes and those 10 episodes were like 50 minutes minimum. And then you compare it to this show that has a total runtime of maybe four hours, maybe, might be less than that. I mean, as someone that mentioned, Oppenheimer has a $100 million budget. It costs, Oppenheimer costs half of what Secret Invasion did and they had an incredibly good A-list tier cast, great soundtrack, period accurate sets and all that sort of stuff and like- And loads of talent. Is this like a tax fraud operation? What's going on here? Where did all this money go? Where did the money go? That's a great question. The intro, let it go. The scroll makeup, like I don't know. The intro is cheap as fuck. They didn't spend it on the intro. It did not go into the scroll makeup. That's something that's pretty lame. We barely ever see like scrolls in the scroll makeup which is a shame because the makeup's actually really good. Like in Captain Marvel, that makeup is pretty excellent. But- They're wearing goosebumps masks in the show. Yeah, bullshit. It was better in Captain Marvel. These ones look like Hollywood. It's a lot better in Captain Marvel but they barely have them here because it's, yeah. My favorite example of cutting corners is this clearly a scroll. The camera turns to a person who's looking at them and you hear. Yeah. And then they cut back and they're a person. Because they're too cheap. It's like in Sheephole when they're like, oh, it's too expensive to show the transformation. And it's like, yeah, so you always do it off-screen, like except for once. It's always off-screen. Yeah. You know the budget of the descent was 3.5 million pounds. Oh, man, is that you accomplish? We can- We can mention why that's being brought up. There's no reason not to. We rags and free along with the drinker. We're blessed to have an EFAT movies recording recently in which our guest was the director of the descent, Neil Marshall. Crazy. And the movie we're watching was The Descent. Yeah, one of the best horror movies ever made. That's literally my favorite horror movie. That's my favorite horror movie. It's a really good movie. It's the one that's checked all the boxes for me personally for what personally freaks me out, like the claustrophobia aspect and getting lost, all those other things. But it's also so well done that I'd recommend it to almost anybody. I love that movie. And so, yeah, I mean, that was like a bucket list thing because it's really cool to talk to somebody who made what I could say to be one of the best horror movies. Any insights? Well, there'll be the recording. We stuffed it full of questions and discussions and it was a really fun time. So it was funny. I was in the middle of editing that, which was delaying me from editing the Ant-Man stuff, which has now all been delayed while I was getting all the notes ready for Secret Invasion. And then that got delayed because I had the family come over. But I'm knocking them all off now. We've had the family stuff. That was a little fun. Did you end up watching Oppenheimer yet? No, still haven't seen it. I can't fit it in. I will. I'm going to. Cause yeah, that was partly an intention was to talk about Barbie at Oppenheimer. We could do that next week at the beginning of whatever we're talking about. We don't need to talk about Barbie. If you don't want to talk about it, that's okay. We'll do our breeze. Me and Rax will talk about the little doll running around in a Bobby willed. It'll be fine. Can do it. I'm a Barbie girl. In a Barbie world. So is that movie, is that song even in it? No. There's some legal shit behind that. Definitely not watching it. Obviously, yeah, that was just to decide to say that effect movies will be out in a week. Probably I need to, I'm debating whether or not I'll go crazy on visuals to get references in. Cause he references a lot of films and filmmaking stuff. I can get the visuals. It's just gonna take a lot longer, but I think you guys will be okay with the wait and it'll be, it'll be fun. This movie is worth it. Yes. Yes. Anyway, we, oh yeah. We were talking about budgets and stuff. This, yes. The point was that I, the thought occurs when Rax points out that, you know, the descent was made on like a 3.5 million dollar, million pound budget. You compare it to something like a Quantum Mania or production that costs $200 million. Like if you were to break down the maths on that, it's the logic would be that you could only make like two minutes of Quantum Mania for the entirety of the descent, that you can only get two minutes of that movie. Which way was the best? But it's one amazing, you know, movie. It's just crazy to think about the way that money is spent on these productions. Like if you were to break it down into how many minutes worth of material you get, you know, like how far a million dollars goes with these productions. It's like, what does it get you? It gets you, like in the case of these Marvel productions, they're just getting worse from a production standpoint. And what works, like, I don't get it. I just wonder what the bloat is on like legal this or licensing that or residual this. Like all of the non-production things. But the only thing I could imagine is that it's a couple of things I could imagine. There's actors for starters are probably getting paid a lot of money. Because you mentioned Oppenheimer, a lot of the actors on that took pay cuts because I wanted to make that film. How many actors are you going to get that will willingly like take less money to be part of a Marvel production, you know? Like how many people are going to believe in it so much that they'd want to get paid less money to do it? Yeah, for Marvel. To make it happen. And then there's also just, there's work that people do on these productions. Like in Ant-Man, there was a lot of work that was done on that in terms of creating like costumes and prosthetics and things for aliens. And stuff like that that just gets painted over with visual effects later anyway. So it's just like people getting paid for work that ultimately doesn't get to make it into the film. It's got to just be an efficiency. Yeah. It's just very money in so many different ways. So something like that, it could put that much work into actually making something like that and then covering it over with CGI. And it's, I don't know. The thought process behind all of it can't be, nothing about it is efficient. And when you compare that to low budget horror and the profit margin with those things. So reason why Jason Bloom is like super successful as a producer, right? It's because he'll make a film for like $5, $10 million. Most of them are modest success is a few of them make like 50 to 100 times their budget. That's the way to do it. It's, you never get the sense on these Marvel projects in particular that anybody is, you know, keeping track of where the money goes. It just seems like you never get the idea of, oh, someone's, like someone is watching the budget. Someone is actually like in charge of it or someone. Well, that's gonna change now. It's gonna change now. That's for sure. That's a good old Bob Iger, right? They're gonna be coming back on these productions. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. One of the first things, when I went on Open Bar, one of the first things we talked about was how crazy these $200 million budgets are all the time. I brought up Joker, $50 million, made a billion because it was a quality movie plus all the controversy on top of it boosted the numbers, but $50 million compared to these things. I just don't understand why they're not taking that thought process and like taking a look at those movies that actually can make money for them instead of putting the pressure of $200 million budgets, insane. Wouldn't it have been awesome if they had made phase four, like the phase where loads of like, we're talking like maybe even 50 projects happen and they're all given a limitation of you can't change basically anything continuity-wise, you can only regard one brand new character in a very isolated area who may not even have powers. We'll decide that depending on what we'll allow for what creators. And some of them have budgets of like 5 million, 10 million and they're just films about people living in the world. Maybe it's all post-blip stuff, like we said. And you know, it's gotta shot them out. You can get, as long as one of them does well, they're already paying for like seven others. There's no imagination though, like the prospect of even making a film like that or a TV show like that is something that I've never come with. Well, the thing is, is that it's like more pointed out. It really isn't risky with the budgets that would be like, it's just that there's no, I doubt that they've ever had the idea of, what if we made like a $10 million, like very low scope story that's just sat in the MCU that doesn't really have anything to do with superheroes. It's just sat in that world. I don't think that's ever- In terms of that low budget, it's definitely not gonna be risky for them. Like that's something that's gonna be a logical move. But to them, not having a franchise attached to it or the name value, taking a creative risk for them is just insane. They don't actually have the talent to do it. That's what's so precious. All that they're doing now is taking pure financial risks that aren't taken off anymore. What we would associate as safe filmmaking is now the riskiest shit they can do. Like this was risky. Making something this shit right now is a very risky move. That was a very risky investment as well. And again, like you're doing two costs less money than the show. And that's got a huge cost. Don't you think at this point, you wouldn't even call it risky, would you? Cause it's a guarantee. Like Marvel's is guaranteed to fall apart. There's no way it's gonna, like whatever you know now. Could this be a bit of a challenge? Yeah, risky is generous. But something that I was wondering, something I was thinking about over the last week or so is, I wonder if they're like past the event horizon in terms of their ability to actually salvage the situation because if you're in a place where your stuff is really expensive and people perceive it as being cheap and it loses money, how exactly do you solve that problem? You can't spend less money to fix that problem. You probably need to spend more money. But you probably do need to cut back on spending. But are you gonna ask the actors to take less money? Are you gonna ask them to get paid less money to do this so that you can put more money into hiring better writers? Like you know what I mean? Like how do you fix the problem? If it's a matter of being perceived as cheap and you're actually incredibly expensive. The only actors that will do that type of thing and take pay cuts are the ones that actually like have a creative vision and want to see the project go through. They're not gonna have that for Marvel nowadays. No one's gonna believe in this shit. Marvel is scared to make money. Who cares about the project? They wanna stack their bank account, but they can't do that with Marvel anymore. Yeah, how can you really have passion for like this show and stuff? You know, like it's, I can just believe that you never get the sense of passion for any of this stuff. How could you? And what Fringy said earlier was, well, it's kind of strange, but I'll explain. Fringy had said about how there's like no imagination in this stuff, when in a weird way, it's almost like the opposite, I feel, where they're trying to use too much imagination in the sense of if you look at Love and Thunder and Quantamania and stuff like that, you're like, this is insane. Like there's so much stuff and so much magic places and aliens and otherworldly entities and new, new like multiverses and stuff like that. And they'll do that and they'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars to throw at those kinds of ideas and projects, but they won't do something that is a lot more small scale, but more interesting. But the thing is, is when you say a lot of like what is pulled from is stuff from the comics, right? It's already existing things that people have come up with. Like there were a lot of visuals in Thought, Love and Thunder that were like pulled from comics. So I don't even know how much you would attribute that to like, I don't know if I would say that it's like they know that the strategy is to pull things that people recognize from the comics as part of getting like, you know, comic book fans, superhero fans like hyped up. And then, but you think about like the actual story structure and like the general conventions that they have for these films and TV shows, it's pretty generic, right? Like the Marvel, like the sixth episode TV show format, there's a lot of broad similarities across them in terms of the way that they're structured. Or, you know, the fact that they always have to end in a big superhero fight. Like that's, like the idea of not doing that, I don't think is often ever entertained with it. Is there any Marvel production that hasn't had a finale or a third act that doesn't end with a big superhero fight? Is there even a single one that doesn't do that? Oh, She-Hulk, I think. Well, no, She-Hulk has them all fighting, remember? The combination. And then it has like a meta thing about how that's not the way it should end, but they still did it. You know, I looked it up. What Sam Jackson's salary is, he earns like 10 to 20 million, a single starring role in a major production. And four to six million every time he appears is Nick Fury in a Marvel movie, even if it's a brief end credit cameo scene with one or two lines. No wonder he's in all sorts of shit to admire. No wonder. Just slip them in, why not? It paid. But again, how can that piece sustainable? It's over now. Having Nick Fury deliver a line in a post-credit scene is more than the budget of the descent. Oh my God, yeah, you're right. Oh my God. And that's just to have Samuel L. Jackson deliver a line, if that. And you know that if off-credit scene. Imagine you got Sam Jackson, chick from fucking Game of Thrones. You got just Ben Mendelsohn. You got Olivia Coleman. Like, it's, oh, it's mine. When they rack up, they rack up costs, the more they appear right over time. That's just how contracts go. Yeah, that's the difficulty of like the MCU is that the longer that it goes on, the more money you're gonna have to pay them. That's just how it works. That's just how it works. We know you need me now. Yeah, you're gonna get rid of me now. Exactly, the longer a show goes on, the actors can negotiate to get paid more because they just have more value that they bring to the, like it's harder to remove them from the production. And keep it going and get people to come back and watch it. So that's what I mean. Is this like a problem that is kind of unsolvable? Like, I don't know. We're gonna see. We're gonna see what happens. You wanna say something? No. I'm just gonna say, I feel like they know that and they've been slowly trying to replace them with cheaper actors from America Chavez to Riri. Like, they're just trying to get cheaper version of all these people. Like, yeah, Elena is a cheaper version of Black Widow. I think she can pay $10 million for Thunderbolts. You sure about that? That she's the cheaper? Maybe she's not the best example. $1.2 is in actually very high demand, actually. She probably didn't qualify for the theory I had there, but she... Liverpool's got so many more rules after the Oscar that I imagine that she's not cheap as well. And Amelia Clark can't be cheap either. No, no, no. Well, I feel so bad for her. She just can't catch a break. It's crazy. That's what me and Molly were talking about before the stream started. Just fail after fail after fail after fail for her. Yeah, and I'll still fight that. I believe she's a good actress, but stop making it play these shit characters that have no chance to emote. Every single time they need to play this strong female leader role when it's like that's not what she's best suited for. Like, even in Game of Thrones, her better scenes were the non-leader shit. Like, I couldn't stand her yelling and being like arrogant and shit, but when you actually got some heart out of her, that's when you got the best out of it. And they just haven't tapped into that. They just keep trying to get her to be dominant than they are. It's shit. And I feel like Gus. Gus in, what's it called? Giancarlo, I can't remember his full name, but they're just trying to make repeat the magic of Gus in The Mandalorian and everything I've seen them in so far. He's just getting pissed away in that show. Yeah, he's got the exact same problem she does. They keep making him play characters that don't do anything, but just be evil. Nothing. Trying to recreate the current show, but not understanding why it works. Why rags? Then you... Sorry. Not understanding. Not understanding why it works. And anyway, it's kind of ridiculous. And from the comics, where it's like, they add these things because they know fans will recognize it, but they don't know it worked. They don't understand it at all, but they shove it in there anyway. Is it lacking for anybody else at all? Little bit. Like, am I laggy or is... I'm just hoping that things are right. I don't know, because with rags... What's with laggy for a second? Was I? Was I? Shit. I dropped down like twice. Let me know, because yeah, there's Mike's shit. I gotta get a new one. You sound good now. Fringy said coffee. Good? Yeah. If I get a little flimpy, just let me know. I need a new one. Fringy said coffee, rags. Rags is dead, so it's just us three now. I don't know, okay. I mean, the funny thing is, because it was kind of a tangent of tangents, but all of that stuff she said to him about how he's like a shitty fury now. She said the main thing that gets to him in little speech is that there's always someone stronger to undermine you. Like, isn't that perfect for fury? That's how he deals with everything? Is the... Because she's implying that like... Isn't that why he started The Avengers in the first place? Exactly. Someone better than them. But his whole life, he's a man. He's just a guy, and he always finds ways to subvert people through intelligent planning or using people that are more powerful than he is to fight them. That's his whole thing. But she's like, oh, that's what gets to you, isn't it? It's what powers him, arguably. Yeah, it's the opposite. It's crazy. He's fueled by that. He understands his position and his limitations as a human. That's part of the reason he was so on board with The Avengers Initiative and everything that he's done. It was such an important part of his character, but they're just tripping every aspect of his character away slowly, episode by episode. And this is one of them. It's crazy. And it was funny because she said there's always someone stronger to undermine you. And I was like, she didn't just imply Gravick is stronger than Thaddos, did she? Like, don't you dare, you bitch. Don't you dare, Gravick. Maybe she'd already seen the last episode and she was thinking about that. Yeah, she skipped ahead. She skipped ahead. So yeah, basically, oh wait, go ahead. I was gonna ask, no, maybe I should wait to the next episode, but like, okay, we're skipping at it a little bit anyway. What was your initial opinion on Gravick just like in terms of his performance, like the first two episodes? Cause I didn't hate him initially. I was like 50-50 and by the end of the show I felt like he was pretty cringe. Like, and I don't think it's the actor's fault. I think they would just tell him to like come across as really angry. Just do that, that's good enough. I think he was a good actor. I think he could have done a way better job if they had good material, but they completely destroyed him by the end. Oh yeah. But I, yeah. We'll talk about his motivations. Yeah, that's, oh God, yeah, we'll get to it. So yeah, basically she's like, fuck off and don't get involved in this thing. Then Fury says, you know, I've had 30 years of experience with the Skrulls. So what about that? And then she basically just says, go back to your space station. You're in no shape for a fight. It's like, no shape for a fight. Go back to your barber shop. It's so stupid, cause it's like, she's treating him like he's an out of, you know, out of training wrestler or some shit that's like, you know, you're not ready for it. It's like, I'm a guy who shoots a gun and plans things. Yeah, man. He's not throwing haymakers out there. It makes no sense. His tactics and experience should always be valuable. It's a line that doesn't make sense in terms of like how much she should know about him. So that's just the writers hijacking her, trying to make him out as a bum again, just like the knee. It's like, you can make a note of every single time because she shouldn't treat him that way. She should know better. So dumb. And it's annoying cause this is one of many speeches by the show that are like, Fury's old and he's useless now. And you should go back to a space station and cry. And you're like, okay. They called him Vapor. I can't. That was the one where they're like, wow. So he bugs her office because they haven't got any information about the Skrulls. And he thinks that if he bugs her office, he can get information from her. It's kind of lame that he gets away with that. I would have thought that since she's MI6, that they would stop him from doing that. If you just kept an eye on him while he was in the room, you can easily see. And it's like, did they not check his coat for like a bunch of technology? Or want to take off him? I don't know. That's what they'd even check. Yeah, you're right. So they don't check shit. He could be with whatever. Yeah. And it's funny that he creates the Avengers to stop alien threats. They were partially defeated, but then won against Thanos. And we're now supposed to take that as Fury is depressed. Like, no, he'd be happy with this result. He wouldn't be all sad and old and crying. Obvious. He would appreciate that people died and that it was like a difficult sort of fight that went through the whole thing. But I don't think he would be sad overall. But they'll get into more of why that is. Don't you worry. He wouldn't be affected by that. You can't be the Nick Fury that we saw in the past if you're that soft. Like he's got to be hard into these things by now. So we cut over into good old Moscow. It's one of their HQ action. You pronounce it Moscow. Moscow, Moscow. I mean, I always hear people say Moscow. So. Americans say Moscow. I'm pretty sure it's Moscow. Maybe it was only Americans that was hearing it from them, maybe. Yeah. A lot of Russians pronounce it. I think they say Moscow, except, you know, more Russian accent. Moscow. Not like. It might depend on the accent, but I've only heard Moscow. More is correct as Moscow. Is that American or is that? We got to go with the Russian. Moshoi, Moscow, Moskva. The real Russian in here. Announce that shit. Well, all right. Who knows? We'll call it the cow place. So that's where they are. The little HQ. And we're shown basically just how, I guess, they get new recruits. Some guy turns up and he's like, I'm a scroll and then like, turn into one to prove it, which more security than most of the world already. Nice. Crazy. I thought it was funny. I think that might be the only scene. The only scene we've won. It might be the one scene. That might be literally the only scene where someone who doesn't already know they're a scroll checks to see if someone's a scroll. I can't think of another scene where they actually. Well, the thing is, the premise here is that they, he's telling them they're a scroll and then they like prove it. So it's kind of like a reverse, but I know what you mean. Yeah. So he's like, we, he's like a subplot that we see develop over, I think I want to say like five or six scenes. This is his recruitment scene. And he's really excited because he missed being with his people. And she even says, we grow scroll plants here. And he's eating like a goofy sci-fi apple or whatever the fuck. I don't know what you want to call that. I thought it was funny as hell because it's clearly a prop, but he's supposed to. You're trying to play that shit. Yeah, he's supposed to bite into it. And he goes like, it's just like nasty. Oh my God, you've got goomba fruit. And they're like, yeah, we have goomba fruit. That's the best way to cut it. I'm like, mmm, tasty. Oh, I love this shit, man. Styrofoam. Yeah, I think that's what it was. It was nasty fruit that she pulled out of her glove compartment. I keep pulling back. You even have a ziplock bag over here. Yeah, I don't even have plastic shoes on. It's got hair all over it and shit, nasty. And yeah, so you see loads of scrolls, like in scroll make-up and you're like, okay, but then you start seeing loads of humans or human looking thing. And you're like, wait, why would that be the case in the HQ for good old, you know, scroll land? And she explains that you have to make a choice. Either you'll be like a civilian or a warrior. Civilians have to stay in the HQ. They can never leave. And they're the ones that are scrolls. But if you're a warrior, you have to assume a role and you have to stick to it forever. Which at first it's already like, hmm, really? Well, there's so many things wrong with that, that's a highlight, but I guess we'll go through their reasoning first and then we can point out how bad that is and then how bad it is as an idea overall, but then also why, for meta reasons, that this is happening. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they keep their human form to, as she says, because the longer you attach to your shell, the less likely you are to be identified by scrolls or humans. It's like, wait a minute. I feel like if anything, it makes it more likely. Well, I was actually gonna say, you'd think when she says the longer you attach to your shell, you think for a second they're like, wait, is she about to say the better you are at maintaining it maybe? The more used to you are, but no, she doesn't make that argument. She just says, all right. She just says that it'll make it less likely to be identified, which, as Fringe just said, it's like, well, but if you kept changing, then that would make you really hard to identify. Exactly, very hard, yeah. Yeah, like I don't, wouldn't you be changing pretty frequently? Because then it makes it harder to hone in and track you and figure out exactly who you are. You'd be changing all the time. I mean, as evidenced by a scene later in this episode where Gravitt keeps changing his appearance in a way that makes it difficult for... They do that one time. Yeah, one time and then never again. That's crazy. And what I mean by one time is that seeing him do it several times in a row, I mean, they never do that again. Yeah, they never do that anymore. Gotcha cost money. That's where it was like several of them. They all transformed into Gravitt. Talos. No, you can pick either. I don't fucking know what the show wants me to do with that. So pick whatever you want. To lose. Oh, I think it's a... It seems to be a victim of we have these actors. So those actors... Well, we're not at the Metapot yet. We're working for it. Yeah, rags go. It's like you disconnected or something. Big ol' chungus. Which, yeah, for anybody who's just curious, I don't know if that's permanently fixed, but if you drop out, he'll come back whenever possible. Yes. So, yeah, the downside to that is that if you were... She says like you wouldn't be recognized by scrolls all humans, implying that there would be enemy scrolls we wouldn't want to know that we're undercover and stuff. Except that's not the case because later on, because her identity is compromised, at least Amelia Clark Gaia identity is compromised on multiple occasions, but she never changes and it causes problems for her. Several people recognize Talos by his Ben Mendelsohn form. Yeah, by who he looks like, which, yeah. And I... I wouldn't be able to address him as anybody he wants, but... Yeah. Yeah, because Maria Hill in the first episode, right away, Talos, okay. How embarrassing is it that you get recognized as a scroll by your human form? Human appearance, yeah. Like, wow, you suck. A complete failure in terms of, yeah, in terms of the whole point of it. But I guess that does lead right to the actual, like, meta-raising essentially. Why is this happening? Well, I suppose the reason outside of what Ryks was about to say, you could say, is budget. It's just much easier to... It's easier to have them be people than to have them in their early makeup. I'm gonna... I might push back against the budget thing. There's no excuse with $200 million. Yeah, there is. It costs a lot of money. Well, no, no, no. It's still possible money. Yeah, but if you're spending this kind of money and this is what we're getting, then it's not about budget towards this allocation. Well, yeah, but I'm not saying this like a good decision, but it is an argument. If you've got them just as regular people rather than having to go through like four, five hours of makeup, it is cheaper. It has to be cheaper. Yeah, they cut corners. There's no reason, there's so many scenes where we should have saw people in full scroll makeup, but they just skipped. Show them in human form is cheaper. Yeah, they would tell you budget is saved, but what's really happening is always poor planning every time because with the same budget, we could do incredible things. Yeah, and then they may well just be the thing of actors want to be seen as the character rather than in the makeup. They need to get rid of that. It might be like this whole, we need to see my face shit. Like, I'm bringing you can always, you're always thinking about that. I've said this a few times and I would maintain it. Scroll to the nanotech helmets of shapeshifters. The complete, the constant defaulting to like the same physical human appearance, there's no reason for it. There is like no reason for a scroll to keep maintaining like the same like human appearance, especially because particularly pronounced in this show because this character that Amelia Clark is playing has her identity compromised and she still maintains that appearance that she herself states that she basically has no affinity for. But like she keeps doing it anyway because we need to see the actor. We need to see the actor's face. We need to know who's playing them. It's the same as nanotech helmets. It's the same reason. And it's another instance where you forego a really cool design that existed in the comics for the sake of essentially like meta reasons. For like, yeah, someone in chat's pointed out that was what happened with Mystique, like Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique. They were like completely forgetting and foregoing the point of that character. Cause we had the right to go. To the point that it was contrary. Well, it contradicted her arc, right? Like the arc she went on like the first two movies was essentially coming to accept that she was okay the way that she looked. And then I guess she decided that that was not the case anymore. Well, as I'm sure many are aware, Jennifer Lawrence famously hated the makeup. Well, in her defense, to make up apparently, in her defense, I believe that the makeup actually like irritated her skin pretty significantly. I don't even think you need that as a good defense. I think getting inside, like if it's like an eight hour makeup thing, that's a nightmare, I understand. However, you signed on to play Mystique. There's an argument to be made there of like, you're gonna have to expect something of a difficulty, but she also, I don't know if she contractually did it, but like she was in, how many of them was it three or four? She was in four, she was in all of them. Yeah. It was worth it. New era X-Men ones. And when you compare the performance of Rebecca, how much, how fantastic she looked in the makeup first off and how much she committed to meet consistently having it on, you very rarely saw her in a real face. And that always drove me nuts with Jennifer Lawrence. And Rebecca Romain was way better as Mystique. Way better, way better. Obviously. And when you finally saw her get her powers removed, even though that movie is shit, it was actually like impactful when you finally see her as a human. Cause she was one of the one mutants who was genuinely proud of it. She wasn't ashamed. So it was impactful to see her try that one. Well, I guess that hones in on the point, right? Is that a lot of the time, I mean, it's, I don't, I don't understand like essentially the, there wasn't like good story justification for these choices. It's always coming from like meta reasons. Yeah. So we go to new Skrullos and everyone's just hanging out as humans. And they're all like, we just want to live where we don't have to look like humans. It's like, but you're here in new Skrullos. There's no reason for you to look like a human, but all of you do because it's probably because it's cheaper. Then you go the opposite direction. They as characters feel that they should be able to be Skrulls and accepted. And this is the one place where they would obviously, They can do that. And they would do it proudly. They'd be like, yeah, we're back home. We're who? This is where we come in. They couldn't, they would want to take it off as soon as they go home. You're right. You're a big spoiler for the whole season. The only time that we actually see Amelia Clark's character as a Skrull is after she's been shot for like 10 seconds. And for the rest of the show, she's always looking the same the whole time. Do you think that was really her in the makeup? I kind of don't. I actually kind of don't think it was her. I think that the fact that it's so like off-screen like you barely even get to see a lot of it is like, it's probably not worthwhile to get Amelia Clark in the thing compared to just someone who looks enough like a girl. At least the guy who played Gravic probably did. Probably did. Get in the makeup for that one scene. But yeah, it's all a shame. Yeah, that looked like it was him. And it's just that this is another time that it happens all the time. But this just it has heavy effects on the narrative. It's hard to take these people seriously telling us how much they deserve to be Skrulls on the planet. They deserve to be seen that way. And it's like, you keep opting for the human camo. Like what's going on? You prefer it? If you want to be a human, if it's like a sexual thing, it's fine. Just, you know. Just admit it. It's all good. Just admit it, you know? We've all got our things. And they could have addressed it in several different ways, but they kept addressed it. The way they did it is just the contradiction. Like I said, if she had said, the longer you stay in the shell, the easier it is to maintain it. Like you're more used to it or something. That could be something, but she didn't. That's not the reason. Yeah, we could absolutely work that into the narrative of, oh shit, I've been found out and now I have to take on a new form. But that might limit how I can actually use that form. If I'm in a position where I need to be focusing on something, if I'm doing something very stressful or if I'm in a combat situation, then I might not be able to maintain this appearance. And so that could be a point of tension in the show if you need to reuse a Skrull character after their cover, so to speak, has been blown. You would think each Skrull would have several characters they could play for certain situations. Instead of just having one person. Absolutely. And obviously they're just gonna abuse that. Well, I mean, this is probably the time to talk about it too, and Tim is kind of well-building, I guess, but we find out, in several instances, they have to have someone to copy. They cannot make something up. They can't. They can't advance an appearance. They can't approximate, but there's so many things that just don't make sense about that, right? First of all, that put rules probably in place to give some level of limitation to the Skrulls, but every time you see someone with a new skin, so to speak, in all the times of this show, you'll have another character be like, you know, who were they? What did they do? And we get a couple of histories of different people who've been taken by this stuff. We're about to get to a big reveal of what the shells are, according to the show. But yeah, they can't look at a hyper-realistic drawing and do it. That wouldn't work. But I'm pretty sure they can look at photos of people and video cameras of people and do it. Yeah, but I don't know why a hyper-realistic drawing that's interesting- I don't know why. Yeah, exactly. The difference. Because if I drew Amelia Clark perfectly and then could she take it from that or did she have to take it from Amelia Clark? Like, I don't know. And why? And she's like, mm-hmm. And it's just a- Well, I mean- In the full scene, showing- Well, we also never find out who she stole the identity of. No. So there's some person out there in the world. But it's the same with Ben Mendoza, Talos, like the guy from Captain Marvel. It's just like, oh, I guess his identity has been co-opted by this alien forever. Well, and you know, reasonably, they could do it from photo-realistic images. And then what if I drew a photo-realistic Amelia Clark but she has like a helicopter hat? Do you copy that too? And then what if I made it like a dick? Do you have to copy that? Oh, do we even get into the whole clothes thing and how they- Oh, they have like some nanotech shit. Nanotech fixes everything. That's just how they do it. I mean, the funny thing is their hair always melts into them. It never like falls out, because it's all fake or whatever. So, you know, because it scrolls like generate it, but it's like, is it all an illusion? Or is it your actual, are you shape-shifting? Or are we just seeing something different and the show is just like, shut up? Like, okay. Nobody knows. They didn't take much time. Do you remember the rule they introduced in Captain Marvel though, regarding the scrolls? Well, which rule? Because there's a couple of things that they break in this. When you, a scroll can't have long lasting memories of someone that it took over. And that was how Samuel Jackson was trying to- Yeah. The scene with Captain Marvel and Samuel Jackson in the bar. That's what they established. But the lady in this show was basically describing the memories of the person that she took. So it's a complete contradiction of the rules they established in that one. It doesn't make any sense. Well, in that way to find out if someone is or isn't a scroll was never brought up either. And it would be something- Yeah. It would go slightly more if you had characters being like, okay, tell me something. Well, you know, where did we meet? That sort of thing. It's the one test that we came into this show with knowing that there's a test for scrolls. Now they can do that and they completely ignore it. Well, this is why, by the way, Captain Marvel as bad as it is is still better than a lot of the face, end of phase four stuff in phase five. Shockingly, yes. Yes. But there's some stuff in Captain Marvel that's just like, well, that's lame but fine. At least you can follow it. It's shit, but like it's not, you know, incoherent completely. So she leads him- He can't believe we're complimenting Captain Marvel. I know, we know it's the end times. We're moving through the base and this new recruit, man. He's not allowed into the secret area which Amelia Clark goes into. And it's revealed that we have those little mind tampering machines from Captain Marvel only they've now got a new thing going on. You put- Imagine that's all the Disney writers in there. You put them in this, they get stacist or something stacified. They don't describe it beyond just seeing it happen. I don't know if they're fed via tubes or if they just, you know, they're not answering any of that. Where does their poop go? Tell me, you cowards. Human goes in and then the scroll will take their look and then put their hand on their head and suck out their memories. Well, not suck, copy their memories. Like 100% accurately, I guess, which kind of invites some questions. Some existential questions actually. What does it mean when you have like another person's entire mind immediately, like suddenly implanted into your own head? Well, yeah. What about the trauma? There's a show called Red vs. Blue. There's a show called Red vs. Blue. The Halo Machinima where a character has an AI unit installed in his brain and their memories and like minds essentially melded in a way that becomes impossible for him to ascertain what his own memories are and what the memories of this unit are. Yeah. So like that's a little Halo Machinima there, more meaningfully exploring the concepts of what it means to have like another person's mind in your head than this massive Marvel production. You know how they treat it? It's like you are you and you got a hard drive in your pocket and when you take someone as a scroll, it all goes on the hard drive. And then when someone says, hey, when did we meet in 1963? You open File 1963 and you open that character and it just reads in a text block what you're supposed to say and you're like, oh, there you go. They don't treat it as it actually is, which you've just absorbed a whole person's life into your brain. You know, like they treat it as though it's entirely separated, but I don't understand if it's your memory at that point, is it your experience and thus you not entirely change as a human being or person? Yeah. It'd be overwhelming. Like they don't do anything to explore that concept. They can't touch these things. Yeah. Once again, I just want you to skip over it. Like if you get somebody's mind and all of their biases and their perspectives and values and all of that gets in your brain, how exactly do you like square away still maintaining your own beliefs if you've potentially got very contrary beliefs of all of a sudden as true to you as they were to that person? It's just like you establish this brand new thing and then it's just like, oh no, you just get their memories and then you can use them and it's cool. How did all change your values? It has to change your values because it's a consistent life. That is one of the many interesting concepts that this show just ignores. And I think that was overall my biggest frustration. Like the idea that you just mentioned, the idea of alien invasion, there's so many different concepts that could be so interesting and they just pissed them away every time. You're overthinking it. The point that's being highlighted here is that you've got presented potentially a really good opportunity for some storytelling that would be interesting and it was completely ignored. I think at this point... Exploring the scrolls as like a culture or their biology and establishing rules for them could have been very interesting. I would say that this is the one time that it's absolutely we are thinking it. It's literally been presented and then just goes, so that means this and the whole show is like, no. No, it just means that they know how to use that information. It's like, okay. It's almost as absurd. You'll be as absurd as if this whole area, this whole like plant had like a radiation aura that would just annihilate people if they got near it and then just presented a bunch of humans getting brought in and out of here easily with no damage whatsoever. Yeah, that would be really... If they had done that, then we'd be like, oh, I feel like I'm thinking it. And then someone's like, you're overthinking radiation. And you're like, no, that's just regular thinking. That's just what it is. Explain why it's overthinking. I feel like we're just addressing the problem. Well, you introduce an idea and you go, oh, that means that. It's like, no, you thought about it too much. It's like, that's what it is. What do you mean? Why are you punishing me for thinking about the things you're telling me? Stop. Shut in the head. Are they dead? It's like, you're overthinking it. It's just a bullet. I have to do that. That's how they treat it though. That's how they treat it. It's crazy. Because I do think that's really interesting. And the pattern for me was interesting concepts being pissed away constantly. Like, it's just everything. It was like the theme of the show for me. And like, that's another one. Like, that's something that could be an entire episode of a well-written show exploring how you would really change absorbing someone else's whole history, how it would change you fundamentally. Are you able to separate it out like a USB or are you just fucked on the floor trying to process who you really are? Well, something that gets really, this is jumping ahead a little bit, but later on... I don't want to say that. I have a feeling I know what your reference is. Yeah, I think you know exactly. It's so funny. All right. Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. Episode three, we'll get there in a couple hours. A couple hours, yeah. So, obviously, the mechanics aside, this is horrifying. They've collected many, many human beings. They're trapping them in these pods and they're taking over their lives. Because they can't just, you can't just take a photograph of some random-ass human of the seven billion that we have because the chances of you being confused with that random person are negligible. Don't even worry about it. Just some random photograph. You can pick a dead person. Some random human in the world. You pick a dead person, absolutely. Because you're doing your own thing on news crawl loss. So you just do that, right? Why do you have to take these people and like kidnap them all and keep them hidden here? Like, if it's a very specific person, like they're very high up or if they're like, oh, if they were to be like a, I don't know, like a head of state or someone famous, you know, of course you'd have to keep the original. But if it's just a random-ass person that you're using as cover, there's no need for that. If anything, it creates another issue. People are gonna be looking for that person. And the worst thing that'll happen is some guy will go, oh my God, Derek. And then you're like, huh? He's like, oh, shit. Okay, maybe it's someone else. Sorry. That's it, well, I'll go away. So people will think that there's just someone out there who looks just like Derek in that crazy, instead of there's an alien invasion of shape shifter. You just put on a hat, shave your beard, or grow one and then you'll be Derek, but different and no one will know. No, no, I'm Derek, different. Think about this for 30 seconds. You can think of all the options they're gonna went with. And when you just realize they do nothing instead, every single time, it's frustrating. Is that, he's right. Like people would assume, oh my God, that looks just like some guy who used to know, rather than thinking it's an alien immediately, there's so many ways around this. So it's all very dramatic and scary and that we see the process, like some guy gets dragged out. Who is a part of Americans Against Russia, by the way? And yeah, that man, he's one of them, one of them. And he gets put into a pod and then a scroll takes his place. That's, we're getting shown how it works, you see. They take someone from a terroristic organization, they replace them with a scroll and then they as a scroll join that organization to commit havoc. And you see, it's the scrolls then, but it's actually there's cover. Like, okay, don't key. Remember, Fury knows all of this and he's not telling governments. Because why would you? And then of course, the British government, no. But they're not telling anyone either. They're not telling anybody. I don't know what the fuck, like it's. Yeah. Now that you have two of them, it's just kind of ridiculous that this should be it, no. Oh, and by the way, a guy who's on the hook for all this shit. Yep. As you already know when watching this, the guy is going to be the one we're supposed to like. And I was already like, hmm. He's told me all of this happening. She's been involved with him for a while. Look at it off to the side with suspicious looks. He's okay. She doesn't like it fully, okay? The others do. He's not as bad. Pippo Suss. Pippo Suss indeed. So they're a little, you know, a little camera spy cam on Olivia Coleman. She's meeting with the head of, I forget what he's the head of something. He's the actor that played Vincent Van Gogh in Doctor Who. Also in, he was the invisible man in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Oh, Skinner, yeah. I forget his name though, someone will know it. I like him. He has like two lines in this whole series. Someone said Cabbage. I don't think that's his name. Tony Curran? That might be it, yes? I'm not sure. Oh yeah, so it's also that's all, yeah. Tony Curran. Invisible man, I didn't see him. It's like, ha, ha, ha, what, wait, what? So, oh, right, he's incredible. She says, the Skrulls have infiltrated many members of high ranking political institutions. Gravic has plans, but we need to stop the bombs. And the first thing you think is, well, how do either of you know that either of you aren't Skrulls? You just highlighted that the problem is they're in high ranking members of political institutions. You are both that. And then the fact that this guy, because this guy is a Skrull, we will find out. He's very nonchalant about it. He's like, oh, does it really matter? It's like, whenever they like that, whenever you highlight something horrifyingly existential and they're just like, hmm, I don't know, maybe, yeah. Like, oh, maybe you're a Skrull, that could be it. Oh my God. But no, another instance where they will not check. There needs to be a button and it's just like a sound board and you click the button and there's just a voice that asks, are you a Skrull? And you click that button every time characters meet because you have to. And that should be like an underlying theme throughout this show. No rags, put gone for a little bit of time there. How do we know you're not a Skrull? Oh, well, I could, here, let me pull out this hair on my little fluffy tail, because I'm a dog and it won't disappear into the wind. Oh, what are you talking about? We don't know that yet. Oh, of course, oh, you're right. There's probably, I don't know how you would test. It's probably some really long in-depth process that's very, very scientifically intense and you need special science fiction level technology in a laboratory or maybe like blood tests or something to find out if I'm a Skrull. That's a good point. Well, we don't know that yet. That's the point. We're not, we still got like an hour before we're at that point. So yeah, she says, what they know is that there are five people that can potentially be contacted to create such a device that the bombers for America Against Russia want to build. And she says, my money is on Vasili Poprishan. So, and she says he owns a high end gallery for storing pigment to paintings and radioactivity to bombs. So, just to clarify, right? They're saying, she's saying that the most likely person that the people with bombs to sabotage and frame America for a Russian bombing is gonna be this particular guy who is known for fixing up paintings and adding radioactivity to bombs. Adding radioactivity to bombs. Or storing. Like it's like it's on a talent tree. Yeah. Your bombs now do radioactive damage. So, because this is the thing, when we first watched this, I got blanked on all this. I didn't even realize this was happening. For a second time through, I was like, okay, I'm listening now. And my God, I was like, wait. So was the bomb that goes off radioactive? Don't think they mentioned that. It just kills everybody. I don't think it. I don't know. I would have had to mention that. Because it was radioactive. It would have wiped out fury, of course. Why bother making it radioactive? If the whole point of it was just to make a scene so that for insanely retarded reasons, everyone just thinks America's responsible for this. But the radioactivity doesn't have anything to do with it. It's a bomb that kills thousands of people. Liz, I don't know why they mention it. Why didn't they just say that? I bother. He's a bomb guy. He makes bombs and he's reliable bombs. He makes bombs. Because if you tell me, oh, there's this guy and he makes bombs, I go, okay, I believe you. But if you tell me I add radioactivity to bombs, I'm like, that's an interesting hobby. So the guy says, raid them now. And then she says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't want to raid them until a scroll picks up the device so that we can track the scroll. And it's like, okay, there's this reason to that. But you better, this is end of the world stuff. You better have- You have to recognize I didn't take risk. Yeah, this is like given- You're risking other people's lives by doing this. And you need all the agents- Yeah, this is like giving launch codes to nuclear missiles to the bad guys. No margin for error, bring everyone. Make sure that when this exchange happens, you get the scroll. Get her down here, get her. You know what's funny, by the way, she says that and then Talos turns it off. And I remember thinking it was like, was that it? Did they say anything else? How do you know? Hello? What if they say something else that's useful? Because he just turns it off after they say about like what they're planning to do with tracking, which is just going to be to wait for them to do the pickup. The other thing I was thinking was, wait a minute, with information I know, like I said, it's kind of relevant. That guy she's talking to is a scroll. He works with Gravik. How is it that he didn't tell Gravik and thus the pickup was compromised? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's, yeah. Why didn't he do that? This is the first time. They're still learning how to do that evil. Maybe he forgot to ring Gravik. He was like, oh fuck, press the buttons, but I didn't, I didn't get hit go. It happens. So yeah, with that information, Fury's like, okay, let's go see the bomb builder. And then Talos is like, but there's going to be MI6 operatives there. And Fury says, we'll incapacitate them. You know, instead of like- Ashley? It's- Like, oh yeah, you know, because we can't tell our guys. MI6 knows, but we can't tell our, we can't tell the FBI or the CIA. We can't work with MI6 either. Yeah, we can't work with him, which is bizarre that we're not doing that already, but I guess the show is really insistent that- Sonia said, he's too old, he needs to go back to his retirement space. I think he took that personally. It's actually that stupid. Like, he's like upset that she said, go home. But whatever. He's so sensitive throughout the whole season, it's ridiculous. I know, he's already episode one. Crazy man. No, no, this is skipping ahead, but zero comebacks to anything that anybody says and always freezes things to make himself look as bad as possible. Instead of like actually, like, yeah, there's so many scenes where he could have said it one way and he says it in the worst way imaginable so they can shit on him again. Crazy. Every time. And so, yeah, with the operatives question, Fury's like, let me explain. We're no longer in a war with Gravic. We're in a race with Sonia Falsworth, which is her name, I guess, who celebrates a scorched earth policy. She'll fuck up everybody who knows the name Gravic. You want to save, you want to save innocent Skrulls, you're going to have to hurt people. And then he says. Okay, first off, don't say innocent Skrulls as an icy moron, but I think. At this point, there's only like one good Skrull. Yeah, it makes me think, what's wrong with you? Are you broken? Don't worry, some of them betray their own team. Some extra isn't there, maybe, half and half. He says, Gravic knows your weakness is your mercy, but it's time for you to prove him wrong. This does have a payoff, by the way, and it's awful, it's in episode three. You remember? Yes, I remember. I know what it is. It's so fucking stupid. But everything to do, yeah, like that was absurd. Well, so yeah, when he says we got MI6 operatives to deal with, he's not saying I can't hurt them or kill them. It's that it's probably wrong to do that to people who are working in the exact same, potential as us to stop a horrible bombing from happening and we're gonna attack them. And then Fury's like, let me explain, the bad guy thinks you always give mercy out, so we gotta prove him wrong. Like, that's an interesting- It just doesn't attract any sad. It's like if someone said, you'd never betray your values and join me on the dark side. It's like, well, you can't let him, you gotta prove him wrong, bad. You gotta prove the bad guy wrong, you gotta let him do that to you. It just doesn't address the point at all, but it's like, end of seed, bye. It's like, oh, okay, yeah. He's got mercy issues, he's too merciful. So Fury's been noted now by Team Skrull and his second in command, I think his name is Pagan, says that his man spotted Fury and that he's washed up, he's limp and he barely sees out of his good eye. He's a bum. He's just like, what? Stubbled out on that fury hate. And the scene is weird because he says he got all the information from a guy and then Gravic is like, so you've let other people know that Fury is like, you've let people more than the sickle know about this. He's like, no, it's just me and you. And he says, oh, you're trying to protect me or you're trying to protect the cause. And it's such a like, what's going on? What is that? He's giving you information that Fury is involved. That's all. Why are you so mad? And it just comes across sometimes, like are we doing like a, this is the villain, he's mean and we get a lot more of those scenes as the fucking show goes on. Yeah, and he says, I'm protecting you and the cause. You are the cause. And then Gravic's like, I'm not the cause. The cause is home. We go tomorrow and we don't stop until Earth is ours. Oh my God. That's an audience, baby. You're like, you're going to blow up Russia, blame America and hope that Earth ends up being yours. Okay. It's just a shit plan. It's a really shit plan. Seriously, everything that comes out of that guy's mouth, I'm just like, what? Like, it's not going to work, dude, like every time. You know, what would destroy the plan is Fury telling governments about it. That's all. Seriously, Carol Danvers coming back. Where's that bitch at? This is the whole season. I was wondering, where is everyone? Where's Dr. Strange? Where's Riri? They just, I know they can't afford the actors, but like at least justify it within a minute. Why can't we spend their money on that instead of spending their money on, I actually don't really know what the spending their money on, CG, I guess. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Like cut out all the crappy big fights and add in a few more. Like if you had Benedict Cumberbatch be in this, I'd probably smile. I still like him. I hate Dr. Strange. Imagine he showed up in character, like Dr. Strange who actually gave a fuck and like, you know, actually cleaned this up and did something useful for once. He's been a dumb ass in his last three movies. So, yeah, we get to the big day. We got Talos knocks out two MI6 agents and then we never think about them again. That's all, you know, it's like they show us that as a courtesy, I think. Like the MI6 people are out now. You're like, okay, cool. The one that's there to pick up the bomb is actually Gaia as those who named Daenerys. Gaia, I'm gonna switch between those two probably names, but that's who Gaia is. And so they arrive like late. They miss the drop and they essentially miss her. We'll get back to her in a second. But like they're like bantering Talos and Fury and they just, they miss the drop. And I was like, I can't believe how casually we're treating this from their point of view, it's the end of the world. Yep. It's like every fucking Marvel movie. Nobody actually cares. Now, here comes something. There's a chained up door and Talos just pulls off the chains because he's that strong. Apparently the Skrulls are just like very strong. I do not remember that at all, that they were that strong. No. But then again, I guess real compared to Captain Marvel or like a Kree, generally stronger than people. The big problem is he fucking fistfights Fury in that film. Oh yeah, but he does beat him. He doesn't beat him like this. Like this. I know, that's the biggest problem. Fury should be dead. Yeah, no, I agree. It's, yeah, it's weird. They seem to be a lot stronger than they were before. Oh yeah, let's just keep that in mind. I guess it's not even gonna come up that often. It's not like for big payoffs, at least for me. Not really, yeah. Because part of the problem is that they start scaling up the Skrulls while two of them significantly. And Fury makes a comment, he's like, oh, you're still strong, even though you're like old. And then he's like, I'm only 40 in human years. I haven't even gotten to my midlife crisis shopping spree yet. What did you get for yours? And it's just like, who fucking wrote that? This is great dialogue, you guys. This is really, really interesting and engaging. Because you might think with a set up, quote unquote, like that, what do you think the joke's gonna be? You're like, I don't know. That was so random and weird. I don't even know what the hell I'm supposed to do it. And it's like, well, Fury says the Avengers. See, it's fun banter. It's really fun, witty banter. And you're like, you're saying Fury got the Avengers and he sees it as like a midlife crisis option? Why? Why did he do this? I don't know. Fucking dumb. Oh, God. That's not the impression I got from the Avengers movie that he was having a midlife crisis. Yeah, that's what they, that's not the impression I got. He's old. He can't see anymore. He's weak. He's exhausted and he is on a midlife crisis. You're like, okay. Yeah, it's just like how he lost his eye from a cat and not fighting in a fucking battle or something. We're on episode one and this guy's just shredded. Like it gets so much worse. So like I said, they missed the drop, but luckily where guy is just walking, much like anyone is, right? There's people walking everywhere. They're all over the place. He's just walking with a bag and this is enough to tip off Hill. Like Maria Hill's in a car and she's like, wait a minute. Look at that. Oh my God, a woman holding a bag. That's it. I'm sure a bitch with a bag. They already know that this is a scroll thing. So it could be anyone that she's like, wait a minute. I know her from Game of Thrones. She's famous. You're getting actually sad as fuck because you create a problem and then you solve it with the worst shit ever. Like why were you late for the drop? Just don't be late. And then tell Maria Hill she's coming out. She's already on her way out. She'll be coming out of this door and then follow that person. Simple. Cause now it's just garbage. Yeah, all the way. Why would you write it this way? So Maria Hill could beat up by Daenerys. I don't even know why they did that scene. She's got wrecked. Yeah. Now they need information out of this painter bomb man. So Fury's got a gun on him. They know he's a scroll. And so, you know, it's pretty simple. You could just, you could do the whole shoot him in the foot thing or tie him up and then start torturing him, that sort of stuff. Instead, he decides to let Talos stop beating him up and then he starts beating Talos up. It's really weird. And they start fighting and it gets more and more intense until Talos has pretty much lost the fight, kind of. And then Fury executes the guy. It's like, what are we doing? It's just, it's a bizarre, it's a really bizarre scene. I think it was like the writers were like, we got to get them to accidentally kill him because they can't have the information he's going to have yet. It's too early. Right. And this is their, their form of problem solving, essentially. It's a meme that actually becomes incredibly part heavy relevant. Like it's like, you could take him. He's like, yeah, I can't. He has a couple of lines while they're fighting like, this is my fight, Fury. And it's just like, what, what, what's going on? It's like, is, was this a pride thing? And yeah. Furious. They seem really invested. It's like, why do they never shoot the fucking leg? Shoot his leg. And then do the thing they do in movies where you stand on it and they go, ah, we, and then you ask for the question. You shoot him in the knee and then you kick him. He's like, it's, it's classic. But no, Fury just executes him and then they're like, whoops. Yeah. And it's like, oh, oh shit. Think about how consequential this is. Wow. Just keep it in mind that like this ruins everything. Yeah. It ruins their entire planet. And by the way, this exact scenario happens again in episode three. Yep. It's just the rise that I know how to do this. Oh, and this is one I think where he's on the ground. It cuts to Fury and then it cuts back and he's a scroll. Like, I think that he's a scratchy sound. Yeah, that's right. And it's like, ah, look there he is. There we go. I got him. That sound, oh man. Yeah. And then Maria hell and Daenerys fight each other. It's awkward because we just established that scrolls are super strong. So she'd probably kill it with a punch. Yeah. I mean, if you can rip off a chain off of a door with your bare hands. Yeah. I don't know. And also in this fight, doesn't he like punch through the like concrete pillow? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty. This doesn't feel like we do, but whatever. Well, it's just if Captain America punches you in the chest, it's over and these guys seem to be like about that strong. Daenerys punches her in the head. I don't think even Captain America could rip a chain off like a door. You know, that feels weird to me seeing him do that. Yeah. Well, you'd see him hit it with a shield like down. Exactly. That's how he did it. Yeah. So Fury and Talos have then got to catch up with this happening. Because Maria's like on comms with them. And so Talos shows up with a gun on Gaia, who's his daughter that we're about to get that revealed. Fury has disappeared. We will not see him again. Like until other scenes, he's just gone now. It's so fucking dumb. Just out of the show. And so yeah, we have some back and forth here. This awkward family dynamics. He's like, oh my God, give me the bomb. And then she's like, you are a shitty leader. You fucked up the Skrulls. And then he's like, this isn't what your mom would have wanted. Her last words were find Gaia. And then I thought this was so bad. She's like, what? And it cuts back to him and he goes, she's dead. Oh my God. It's like, can you imagine? You're the father of the daughter who's your wife died. You've seen her. You know she doesn't know. And you say, her last words were I should find you. And then she's like, oh my God, you go, oh yeah, she's dead. You should probably open with that, right? Like be like, I have some really awful news for you. But no, he's like, oh shit. Yeah, you don't know, right? Okay. Yeah, she's dead. And he says that the people, the people that Gaia works for who killed her. Bit more on that. And it seems like that's going to be more of the drive for her eventual turn, more so than the evil plan. Yes. That kid got big. It seems like she cares a lot more about it just to play her mom. Gravics like plan is something I think this show doesn't want you to think she believes in, but it has to be that way. At least for me. She has to, she's participating with them for this long and their plan is to nuke the world and kill all humans. That's their plan. Well, yeah, we've kind of been over it, but if anyone didn't understand like how it was supposed to work, it's like we false flag attacks on either side and then we cause an all out nuclear war between everybody. Everyone's wiped out and then scrolls to go because they're immune to radioactivity. Don't remind that in Avengers, Loki wants to rule the world. He doesn't even want to destroy it. He just wants to take it over. Yep. By comparison. Add Loki. I miss him. Good lad. Been gone for so long. Yeah. And so I guess we didn't even address it back then, but it's like, it's not a crazy plan. It's like it gives them the whole planet. It's like, yes, they give them a a radiated, like destroyed wasteland. Everything destroyed. And then there's also just the fact that all of these people have to somehow manage to keep living fairly comfortably despite participating in ending billions of lives, including all of the animals as well. Yep. All the people, all the animals, all God, all the trees destroyed the entire. And in the next episode, Gravix like, oh yeah, humans destroyed their planet, not like me, who wants to absolutely destroy it. But for you, I think he actually says, like I'll give them what they're heading to or something like that. I was like, oh, well then, how are you sitting there talking about how humans suck if you're just going to do it, but to a much worse degree? I think he would actually say to you like, but I'm self aware. They're not. Yeah. Okay. It's crazy how quickly he became a shitty villain. It happened so quick. So quick, just, yeah. Yeah, we'll get scenes for it, we'll talk about it. For now, he really wants the bomb off here because remember, this bomb will be detonated somewhere in Russia to kill a whole bunch of people to be blamed on America. It is very important that you do not let her leave with this bomb. So he says, please give me the bomb. And then she says, I can't. And he says, you know I'll protect you. And she says, you can't protect anyone. And she leaves. That's it. Yeah, I know, right? It's just like, and he lets her go. He lets her go with the bomb. Maria Hill is currently like exhausted on the floor, winded and fury is just not existing. So that's it, she's gone. She had the bomb and she left with it. Awful. And he let her go because it's his daughter. And I was like, mother fucker, you will shoot your daughter in the leg, okay? You can do it. But no, she gets out with the bomb. And by the way, this bomb does go off. She is on the hook once again. It kills thousands of people, thousands. He has a moment where she cries because her mom's dead, though. But she doesn't. Yeah, but it's crazy that the show like doesn't understand what the scrolls plans are. Yeah. I have no idea. Isn't random death sad? It's like, yes. What was your plan again? Nuke everything? Right, yeah, okay. Remember they make a big deal out of children having died? It's like your plan is to nuke Earth. A lot of children are gonna die. You're gonna come up with these things like, I don't know. It's as though she hasn't considered what her plan actually entails. But how could you not? You want to cause a nuclear war. That's gonna kill billions of people. You don't even, like I said, you don't have to kill her. Just stop her. He could have grabbed her leg, but whatever. He just let her go. He was sad. Alice was sad. So. Do you have a sit down discussion to like really go in depth with the plan? Like grab us his thought process. Why he's taking this so personally? Cause for me, I could believe that there could be a graphic character. Even if this is stupid. It's like all over. I can believe one person could be that stubborn. But an entire faction, you got to explain that to me. The problem that the show has, I think might just be down to its very existence as a show. They established the scrolls as like, basically good guys in Captain Marvel, but they're kind of not in the comics and secret invasion is about them trying to take over the world. And so they need to try and find some way to essentially justify some big end of the world story involving the scrolls trying to destroy the world. And it's like, the problem that they have is that they try to be like, oh, but see the scrolls are sad cause they didn't get a home. They're sad because, you know, Fury made him a promise and he didn't keep it, but jump it ahead a little bit. That's essentially the crux of that. That's like the crux of, but, but it's like, okay, but you have to acknowledge that their plan is to nuke the world. They want to end humanity. And even address what steps did they take to do on their own? Like what, like, are you just waiting, bitching, crying for Fury? Cause he broke his promise. What steps did they take to actually make a home on earth or actually find their own spot? Like, we don't really know what things they did. It just feels like they're just complaining about Fury. It's like, what have you done in your own? It's like, I don't understand why they suddenly have no agency. The problem is that the show has to try and be vague because of it gets into the specifics of what the scrolls are actually planning to do. You can't write your story of like, ah, poor scrolls, when it seems like everybody except for Talos is totally comfortable with nuking humanity. Well, it'll be the train scene. We can get into depth on this whole how Fury failed because the show just shovels shit on him every single scene. Speaking of which, he walks into a bar and he's like gonna go grab a drink. He's meeting Maria Hill here and some guy, some fucking guy just looks at him and goes, hmm, stare at me all you want. You'll never be the man you once were. Like, what is going on? What is going on? What is going on? What is going on? This is so fucking random. What the fuck are you, buddy? You're just talking shit. Some random guy who's just like, I fucking hate you, Nick Fury, and your shit. This isn't even the most random one. It's further down in the season, the guy who's just in the plane who says he should be mothballs or some shit. Yeah, that's the Black Widow guy. I knew I recognized that guy. Oh, well, that'll be funny to announce to chat the awesome cameo of that episode that everyone was hoping he'd come back and yet there he was, legendary. But yes, this guy just throws shade at Fury for no reason at all. You know for a fact that- It's not shade, that's sheltering darkness. What the fuck are you talking shit for? It's a, you know the writers were like, hey, but it's on theme. Like, what the fuck is- It doesn't matter if you made up the fucking theme. It's all bullshit. And this is the part. Oh, I go ahead. I was gonna say, I don't know. I kind of lost track. Which did they mention more? The fact that he's old and worthless or the fact that he's black? Like they keep having to mention that. That comes up more. His race was never a factor. It wasn't a factor yet, they had to mention it. The thing is like, it could be implemented really well but it's super cringe in this show and yeah, we'll get plenty of that. That was my point. There's so many examples I could think of in my head where they actually implement these things properly where it's tasteful and you could believe it's a scene that's, you know, what actually takes place. The whole Moscow scene with him walking through at night and like the only people he sees are like, everyone's like, oh, scary black man, every single time. Even the kid. Like why is there even a kid out at night? Yeah, play with, well, to be fair, that's a scrawl I'm pretty sure. The kid? Yeah, cause we see her later in the sequence in the third act of the episode, I guess. I will give them a pass if she's a scrawl. She's a scrawl, I'm pretty sure, yeah. And that child to man, it didn't make any sense. Stupid scene. But yeah, awful forest. Because we have here, so that guy said that, Maria Hill's like, do you know that guy? And then Fury says, how do you think we kept the cold wall from getting hot spooks by in shots? And she says, you can't say that. And he says, no, you can't say that. What? This show thinks it's so fucking... Oh my God. What are they doing? What do they think they're achieving with these lines? It's just so cringy. You see, cause he's black and spies are cold. 90% of the audience is not even gonna know that or even reference it. Like most people aren't gonna know those terms like right off the bat. I assumed it was something along those lines, but like, why are we doing this? Yeah, like we're supposed to know the latest, like racial slurred. I think that's part of my racial slurs. It's just ridiculous. Cause for me, it's, he, his personal life wasn't a big factor. Like he kept all that shit away. His, the fact, and it seems like that's the main focus now. And I don't understand why they would even bother with that. Yeah, it's just the thing. Like in certain scenes, I'm pretty, I don't really care if you noticed or not, but I've noticed they, they really like blacken him up in certain, it's like he'll just be, you know, it's a little too, yeah, you know. In terms of his, are you literally talking about his skin tone here or his delivery of the lines? His, both. Like he'll, like, this one's in the- His scenes with Rodey? His scenes with Rodey? Yeah, especially his scenes with Rodey, but like- All of those scenes could have been like, oh my God, those ones were, yeah, those were killing me. Yeah, but there's a scene especially when he's on the train with Talos and he's like, he was talking about fried chicken with his mama on a train. That was the one where he was going with it. 40 hours of shit story for a set up and it didn't even really accomplish anything. I'm just thinking of all the better ways they could have did that and had an actual, something meaningful out of that. That was just pretentious nonsense. It's like fucking porn. Yeah, they were definitely trying to replicate beach he had in the elevator with Steve in Winter Soldier. Oh yeah, I remember that scene. I liked that one for memory. They negified it in this one. They just, they don't know, they're so shit when it comes to fucking anything with racial tensions or anything. It's just, have you seen the hurricane with Denzel? Yeah, I've seen that, yeah. That's one of my favorite biopics and Denzel just kills in that movie and that's one of the movies that explores cultural issues in a tasteful way. Yeah, there's one scene where Denzel, yeah, there's one scene where Denzel's driving with a friend of his cop pulled him and the cop is like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. We're like two Negro in a car. And Denzel's like, any two will do it. And he kills it and it feels genuine. Everything makes sense. With this, it's like, you just want brownie points. You know what the fuck you're doing. You're trash. This isn't a proper way to explore cultural issues. It's forced diversity. That's all it is. It's crap and it's cringe to watch Samuel Jackson and Rody do these things. But I like both of those actors. I'm fucking in love with the characters. Oh, I got so much to say about Rody. We're not there yet though. We're not even close. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't want to skip ahead, but those ones just stood out to me like a sore thumb. So, it's all that. But then, you know, remember, we've had like fucking four characters tell Fury how useless he is. But Maria's like, so you're gonna explain to me why you abandoned Earth? And he says, oh, I was building out Saber and she just calls him a liar. He says, okay, I had a crisis of faith. But she says, well, why are you back then? And he says, it followed me up there and I owe Talos. I'm so fucking lost. It's like a crisis of faith. What? What do you mean? I don't even miss a movie. What is it even referencing? Like that he lost faith in being Nick Fury. It lost faith in defending Earth. I gave up trying to figure out what they were trying to say. It's like- I legit don't get it because- They're explicit about reasoning for other things later and they're really bad arguments, but this one I actually just don't even know what they were trying to say. I don't get it. Before you can even think about it, Maria says, are you sure you're not talking about someone else? The Fury I know was always three steps ahead. Your lack of contact is obvious. You're not ready for this. A real threat is out there. You were never the Saber after the blip. They just keep insisting that this is the case. Keep telling us. They insist and insist on itself. Yeah, and it feels like almost like every 12 minutes or something like there's like a rhythm to it. They need you. They gotta make sure you don't forget within the episode that he's shit and you can't do it anymore. Well, I thought it was particularly- What's that? You're at number five? I thought it was particularly interesting of them to take a character, a sort of older type who's like a veteran hero and sort of make him despondent and useless and have everyone point that out. I thought that was a cool new idea. And it's just like, maybe take it, you know, see where it goes. We don't usually do that with everyone. It'll be fun. But yeah, it got funny at this point. It was like, why is everybody taking the time to tell Fury how useless he is? Like what's going on? Even Guy in Bar couldn't resist. It was a random guy, yeah. That was the one where I'm like, okay, I don't even know your name, dude. It's like, whatever push you get to this point, you can just really, you can clearly see their intentions. We're just the humiliator. Any chance they got. And then she says, you once said, meaning Fury, that there's no shame in walking away when your steps are uncertain. So check your footing, or, and then she looks at the screen and grabs the camera and pushes it right up to her face and says, or someone will get hurt. Yeah. And you're like, hmm. What's she talking about? Oh, that's bad. Yeah, you know, it could mean anything. Really lame and annoying. And you're like, God, we got like five minutes of episode left. What's gonna happen? And then the thing happens. Here it is. Oh, I was waiting for how I was gonna go about trying to play this. I think I should be able to get away with just playing the clips, actually. But for the sake of the people here, I'll be you guys, if you can pull up the stream, I will try and play the clips with volume on so you can actually hear what was done. Where is it? It's been so fucking fast. I'll tell you when, I'm just setting up a second, but basically the scene is, Fury remembers the blip. Oh. He's having his moment. He's like, oh, I'm just sad because the blip was the thing that happened. Now, what I wanna show you, and you could have gotten this from memory anyway, I'll show you the scene in Infinity War, and then I'll show you the scene they show us in this show. So here I go, I'm about to start up. So if you guys can load up a stream so you can hear it as well, I'll just not speak until both are done. So this is number one, the original. Welcome. That's the original. Now I'm gonna play their version. Did they change it? Catch that, that's the best I could do to show you. We'll start talking about it now. They've changed the audio. They lied. They lied. In the original. I had it muted. I had it muted, what'd I miss? Well, if you wanna just scroll back on the stream, you can listen to it, you just have to mute us for a second, because... So if you're unclear, what's happened here is that they've taken the original, when he realizes he's getting snapped, he does what Nick Fury would do and basically go, oh, shit, I got hit with the dust in, and that means I'm out of the game. It's like getting hit with a ball in dodgeball, but your team's still in. You're like, ah, I can't help now and I'm not a part of it, but hopefully they can do it. And you know, he's Samo Jackson. He often plays characters who treat even the most dire situations in ways that are like, pretty fun. And he always has been that as Nick Fury. And so we've seen like the dire circumstances of this whole movie. We see this, and this is supposed to be like a relatively hopeful spark of a moment just before he got dusted. He was able to pull Harold Anvers as much as we love here, I know, but that's what happens at Infinity War. And so he's like, oh, motherfucker, like, God damn it, I'm out. And he does a signature line. In the new vision, him remembering it, he's like, oh, motherfucker. Motherfucker. Hey, James, oh my God. I didn't notice that. This is a retcon. This is a retcon, a big one. This is a Ryan Johnson level retcon. This is a really bad one. That's just like, you're just lying. Yeah, I think it's fair to say that. I think it is pretty much as close as you can get to like lying in a story. You're relying on people not remembering how it played out originally and you needed to change it because otherwise your story doesn't function. And they put on the sad music. The violins like. This wasn't a sad scene. Like they repeat that song. No. You're actually annoyed by this. I didn't notice that at all. Like you said before, the way that the scene is meant to be read is like, ah, shit, I'm out of this situation. Like I can't, I'm gone. So now I can't do anything. So now I just have to rely essentially on other people to solve this problem without me. Well, and if anything, for an hour and hours as a character, it's really cool how on the ball he was. He saw Maria Hill get dusted and he grabbed the thing that calls Captain Marvel just before he got dusted. It's something you judge his character for. Like he knows he's about to die. He saw what happened to her, but he's still making tactical decisions. We got to get Carol Danvers there. And that's that's that's the scene. It was a great way to go out and for them to just fuck with it like that. I didn't even notice that. That's that's that's that I think they're relying on. You know, they're really manipulative. They're relying on, you know, remembering. That's part of the reason I'm actually irritated now. Like had I noticed that on my own and we were talking about it now, I'd be able to laugh about it. But now fresh, like you motherfuckers. Yeah, that's fair. Your audience just completely manipulating your audience. That's just a straight up lie. Look how sad he is thinking about that sad sequence with violence just came out of nowhere. And started playing behind him and around him. Because like you said, he did it and knowing he was going to die. I think it's slightly more interesting that he knew it knowing he may very well die. And then he noticed his hand and he was like, Oh, for fuck's sake, like it is me. I rolled the dice and I've lost. Some of the most interesting things for a death scene could be the decisions they make when they know they're about to die. Yeah. Like what can I gamble? Like what can I do to provide help for my people in the last in my last breath? Like there's so much character you can get out of that one moment. And I just direct on that. Like that's probably like one of the things that irritates me the most over anything in the show now. Now that you've pointed that out, that's not cool. You can make your shit shows, but like don't fucking lie to your audience to try to manipulate people like that. It doesn't take much to now figure out once you see that. You're like, oh, we're just go in this direction. Fury is depressed because he failed. That's like the main thing the show is doing. And they've had to shove so much shit that's made any sense in the world. No, if we're talking about the blip. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's the thing that you hear about tomorrow. And today is what Olivia Coleman said. She's like, you're you're always sad now because there are threats that are bigger than you that you can't stop whatever referencing that. And she said you weren't the same as the blip. What's the fuck? What's this fucking about? Every point of the Avengers as an initiative was getting together a team of people that could do things that he couldn't do. The regular things couldn't do. Point. It's what I mean. Lines like that. It's like, have you ever watched this character before? Like, how could you say that? Oh, as we see, they did watch. They did watch a play scene. And then they knew that they had to dub it over with. That's even funny. I heard that. Oh, man. Why do I even say that? They knew they had to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's terrible, isn't it? It is. We're really wrapping all around. Like, yeah, that's the picture you just painted there. It just irritates me as much as anything else in this whole season, because that's that's extra manipulative for something that I really, really like that scene. And now I'm forced to think about that every time. Like, if we watch Infinity War, that's going to be in the back of my head, like, it's terrible. It's a shame because it's kind of like a cool thing for Fury, that reaction, because it just backs up everything we know about him. And now they're trying to wreck on it into he's going on a character arc because he's more depressed now than ever that he got blipped. Remember, Olivia Coleman and Maria hell, they both said it. They both said you've changed after the blip, Fury. Like, no, we didn't. We saw him after the blip. He was exactly the fucking same. I mean, as close to as you can get, the storytelling equivalent. When you see him on the spaceship and far from home, he looks like that's not how he looks. Now we get off. Yeah, he looks fine. He aged like 20 years. I guarantee you the purpose of that scene when they made it was to be like, look, he looks chill, doesn't he? Oh, we move out. And he's actually in control of this enormous facility all based in like space military sort of stuff. You're like, oh, that does seem like a fury thing where more than meets the eye, that sort of angle. It's like, no, he was depressed. Very depressed, like, oh, I don't believe you. Oh no, yeah. I didn't catch that. Because it's fucking lies. They had something else to do this time. Seriously. There's a graphic scene where his subordinate is like, I guess we can go ahead with our crazy plan to blow up. I forget, where are they blowing up? Do you remember if it was like a town name or anything or an area? It's not, I can't remember if it was like a monument. It's just a place, right? It was like a, it was like Unity Day or something. Yeah, it was some celebration. Yeah. So then because this show is terrible, they have Gaia being conflicted and she says, maybe we should postpone. And then he just goes, no, we have the bait now, thanks to you. And it's like, it feels like they had this seated here just to tell me that it's now entirely her fault that this is going to happen. And yet the show doesn't at all seem to believe that. No, she gets off the hook quite a bit in this show, you could argue. Yes. Yeah, not at all. Not only does she not get, she doesn't just get off the hook, she is rewarded immensely. Yeah. We'll get to that in 10 hours. So, I know, I've actually got a surprise. We're not done with episode one, we are coming up for three hours. I will say, yeah, not only have we, we've covered a lot of the foundational stuff, but like the episodes get much shorter. In fact, the last episode, there's like two big scenes in the last episode that are happening and then it's over. And we've covered a lot of things that we can probably skip over for. Yeah, exactly. So random lady gets in taxi with random guy and it turns out this is Gaia using a disguise, which like we never, ever, ever see. And this is like, oh good, it's because she's meeting Talos, who's also wearing a disguise as far as I'm aware. And then when they get to the place that they're going to go. They go back to normal. They decide to, on disguise, what's not even normal? It's an identity that means nothing to them. That's true, but they treat it like it's their default. Therefore, I have to say normal. That's what they do. Yeah, we have to say normal because that's what they, yeah, it's really stupid is what it is. So yeah, he's like, thanks for coming to see me, which is so hard for me to watch. I'm like, you should be fucking furious with her right now. Yep. Yeah, and then he says, you know, you're taking a risk, I understand that. And then she says, a risk? Did you explain that to Bub? I just said that like, the mother was killed by your guys. How can you lay that on Talos? Does he make sense? What? And then he says, yeah, she died while working for, while you were working for her killer. So don't go down that road. I was like, yeah, you already told her this. And I don't understand how she wouldn't have known. I don't understand what graphic would think would happen if she was to find out about it, but whatever. And she says, the attack is planned for tomorrow. There are three bombs and he knows you'll be there. And he says, how? And she says, I have no idea. And there are hundreds of scrolls in the field, or I think she says a hundred scrolls in the field. Identities that are secret, even from us. And he says, your mum would be proud of that. You understand that the information that she's given him isn't that useful? No, it's not that useful at all. And as it turns out, it doesn't help them even remotely. In fact, it probably hindered them significantly. But the last line she has after that is tomorrow, each bag is going to be marked with infrared spray. And I'm going to be one of the couriers. Okay, so there'll be three carrying three. And you've got to get all three of them off them before they explode. And I was already thinking like, well, are we accounting for the fact that if these bombs set to explode if they're tampered with, can you even grab them off these people? Like, are they just going to detonate anyway? They're already at the preferred blast zone. What's the plan? Like, what are we? It's like, yeah, those are where the bombs are. It's like, yes, but this is also where they're planning to blow them up. So it, and it's just like, no, we got to thank you for all the information. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah, I couldn't get the logistics of this scene. I knew there was a bomb involved. I knew they had a plan at this event, but I wasn't really understanding. But guess what? It's anyway, but yeah, you contact the governments now. You have to, this is an emergency. You have no way to control the situation, but they don't. And of course, the Avengers have not been mentioned whatsoever. They will be, but not yet. So, the scene begins. How exciting. It's triggered, in fact, by, I think it's Talos notices or Maria Hill notices the guy has come into frame, as we could see her, and she's got two bags. And they say, keep an eye on the bags. And Talos says, well, there's a lot of bags in Russia. And it's like, what? And then Fury says, yeah, but she's marked them with, sorry, it's the other way around. Fury says there's a lot of bags in Russia. And then he says, yeah, but these are marked with infrared. And it's like, you waited until she was like making the moves with the bags to tell him this. And it's funny because Fury cycles his little glasses and he's like, ah, infrared. It's like, wait, so if he didn't have that, it is glasses. You just said like they're marked with infrared. It's like, I can't see infrared. Are you fucking idiot? What do you want me to do about that? Oh God, I thought it was so dumb. Like that's the plan, is to find anyone that's holding a bag with an infrared X on it and just grab it off him. That's the plan. Hope it works out. But bear in mind, Gravic knows that Fury is here. And she told them that. It feels like this plan could only go wrong. And yeah, they only got eyes on two bags anyway. And since that previous scene happened, I'm gonna say in decoys. And as the audience, I guess we're supposed to assume those are probably gonna be the decoys. And so the third bomb will be really important. Fury's not wearing a disguise, by the way. And then of course, Talos isn't, even though everyone recognizes this form that he uses. It's stupid all around. And you might be like, well, what would Fury do? It's like, well, Fury tells us he has a widow's veil later in this season, but he doesn't use it. My head almost exploded when I saw that thing. I'm like, where has that thing been the entire show? You just suddenly whip it out now. You gotta be kidding me. I'd rather, yeah, go ahead. Absolutely amazing. Cause it's just like, that would have been really useful several times. But oh well. Every episode, it would have been useful. And yeah, because he's wanted by like everybody and he keeps getting kidnaps. Like walking through Moscow at night, throw that veil on. Like seriously, every scene, it could have been useful. Like that was one of the most frustrating parts. Like I can't believe you're gonna whip that out now. So yeah, he starts, he's following a mysterious person because he's recognizing the people they're turning into as people he's seen before, including that little girl with a ball. So he's like, wait a minute. Meanwhile, Maria and Talos reach their targets and they realize they're both decoys. And it's like, oh no. And then Gravick shows up. Like, oh boy, we're about to get our big showdown. What's gonna happen? And he turns around and I think he detonates, yeah. He's immune to shrapnel. Which is really annoying. Because if you look right, we're here and we know that there's a chance of a bomb going off, it's gonna kill everybody. And like Fury's got his gun on him. And he watches him hold that up and then push it. It's like, wouldn't Fury just shoot? Yeah, yeah. He would just shoot. He'd shoot in the fucking face. He had the gun, he had the gun on him before he even raised his hand. He looks funny too, is that this exact situation happens another time in this season with someone else and Fury does shoot in the head. Unfortunately, something else happened. So yeah, the bomb goes off. How terrible this, as was mentioned, kills thousands of people. Fury's very sad, it's all very awful. And then Maria Hell is like, oh, golly gosh, what are we gonna do? And she bumps into Fury who's kinda cutesy. And it's like, wait, what? And all the characters realize that the Skrulls can take on the form of other people. Obviously this is news to them. Actually, you can't take this seriously for five seconds. It's like, are you kidding? Oh my God, yeah. He's like, meh-heh-heh. That's mighty. He even looks evil. Like, you can just tell that's not Nick. Like, look at that smirk. Come on, Maria, what do they pay you for? So suspicious. Yeah, this is shitness. Well, yeah. She's not an important character, but like, she did her part, she's been here around from the beginning. She deserves better than this. Oh yeah, she deserves better than this. Absolutely, she deserves better. Absolutely. Oh, hey, disbrew. Yeah, hello. Do you know how far we are? I checked the stream out before I joined. I was like, oh. Cause I was like, I can stay for a bit. I wonder how far along, oh, they're on the first episode and they've not ever reached that. What, what do you mean? I felt really bad because I was, I was late. And you're like, oh. It's the finale of the first episode, okay? It's the last frames of the first episode. We're way further than you make it sound. Oh. It was funny because it like pissed me off. The instant I heard you talking cause she went, widow's veil. I'm like, that woman said, they spent a billion dollars and it can only change your face. I'm like, a billion dollars for a country for the perfect disguise that can turn you into any, that's a bargain. What do you want to buy? Oh. Yeah, that's the end man. We got, we got, so yeah. We're trying to sort of do it chronologically, right? Like in terms of approaching problems. But we've already mentioned, yes, the ridders veil is solved. I mean, the series didn't. No, I know. It's hard to do that. The widow's veil is something you should have anyway. Like we should have, we don't need to be shown that he has it to think that he has it, right? Like he's had it since, they had it since winter soldier. That was, isn't that what introduced it? Was it before that? I think it was. Yeah. That was the first time. Yeah. So in the timeline, that's about 12 years. You'd think they'd probably keep that in the old pocket. Just saying. There's no reason to not have that. Like it's such a useful tool, especially when we're in this type of show. I still, I cannot believe they revealed that in the middle of the season. They've been useful all the time. Ridiculous. He suggested they've got a full body one as well. Yes, they did. Transform anyone into anyone now. Which means you can be a Skrull if you want to. That's all that is. So fucking stupid. And yet she is funny. She gets shot by him. And the first thought you'd think Maria Hill would have is like, oh, fuck, that's a Skrull, because he's obviously not fury. But instead he walks up to her once she's dying, the real fury. And she looks at him and she says, you? And he goes, not me, not me. That was so confusing. I don't know what to do with that. It's like, obviously it was a Skrull. Look how stupid can you fucking be on her own? I don't know about that pub scene. He was just really angry. Oh, that could explain it. Yeah, she's just, it's just embarrassing. Because what should be happening here is her saying sorry to him. And then he'd be like, no, like, she's like, I should have known. That's probably what she should say. Not, you? Yeah. She would have been ashamed to go out that way. She would have been ashamed that she didn't figure it out in time. She wouldn't just be like, oh my god, it was you. Like, it's ridiculous. She's such a tiny character. Yet they managed to shred the little bit of character that she had. She was smarter than this, I'm sorry. Such a shit death. Yeah, she's had probably like, I don't know, eight minutes of screen time across the whole MCU. And they're just like, you're dead now. Like, oh, OK, I guess. I liked her interview about it. But she was just like, well, they gave me cake afterwards. She seems happy enough. Cake, sweet. Like, 10 years in the franchise, you get the murder. You get cake. You're dumbass. But you got cake, so. Get murder cake. Well, that's one thing, by the way. Did you, because I haven't seen your coverage of it yet, disparate, but did you catch that they re-edited the Infinity War scene in retrospect that when he got blipped? Did they? Yeah. If you look at the flashback on episode one, they've added in like super sad music and they've changed the way he delivers the line. Oh, I didn't notice it either. In the finale, when they say, we're going ahead, but it is a reference to this. It was like, oh, I really regretted it. I felt sad. I'm like, no, you didn't. So I looked up that moment and put in the original clip where he obviously isn't sad. They changed it. They put sad music in there. Oh. They had to show up. Crazy. That's one of the things we were missing about a second ago. It's so manipulative. And you don't even notice it. I didn't notice it at all until they showed it. The change in tone, the change in the way he delivers it, they completely retcon the scene. It's just a treacherous lie. That's the only way I can describe it. Well, they lulled the audience into sort of a comatose state by this point. So that's how they snuck it past everyone. 100%. That's something I feel like I would have noticed. But like, I just didn't care. That must be it for me. Yeah, when I first saw this, I figured that they were going to play around with it, that it wasn't Maria Hill the whole time, or that something was going on. I didn't really believe that they would actually just kill her so crappily, but they did. Especially as she's in the Marvels. Wait, is she in the Marvels? That's what the Hollywood reporter has said. What? How? There's been several articles about the time Maria Hill's returned. Like, what the hell? It's in the interview where she's talking about her death in this show. It says her next appearance would be the Marvels. Is it like a flashback? I'll link it to you on that. I'll probably find it. Is it a flashback? Or do you think a scroll assumes her form? It could be a flashback. What the fuck? Oh, that. Just as her next appearance. No, they're a resurrector. They legit resurrector. Lazarus pit. Why not? Oh my god. Oh my god, yeah. Jeez. Because people are like, no one's ever really gone meme. And it's like, yeah, of course. But what a shit death. You wouldn't even want to go that way, but. Yeah. But like, and then there's the angle of like, who even, why is everyone, why are you putting this much effort into someone who has barely had a chance to be a character anyway? Yeah. Like I remember Coulson more than I remember her and he had like one movie. That's funny as hell. Considering a 2011 casting in Avengers led to another five movies in three series, Smolders is taking her MCU exit in stride. Her seventh movie appearance will reportedly be in the Marvels in November. It's like, wait, what? What? Again, you could, yeah. We'll have to see what the context is for that, I guess. Resurrection. I got money on that. All right. I thought you were dead. I was. I was. Well, the director of this is already gone. The director of this has already been talking about Talos coming back. What? Did I see that? What? He's spoken before about, well, these people have died, but you know, it's anything's part, even Smolders, they say, is there any chance of you coming back? And she's like, well, you know, in the multiverse anything is possible. And then just today, the director's spin on about Talos' future in the MCU. I'm like, what? Oh my God. Just bring back Jensen from the first Iron Man, the guy who saved Tony in the game. I like him. Bring that motherfucker back. Bring Jensen back, if we're just gonna resurrect everybody. That dude deserves to live. Like, this is ridiculous. I can't bat him. Ugh. All right. Well, we better keep the train running. You know, we're gonna get to episode six somehow. So, yeah, episode two begins with a huge Captain Marvel catch-up. Like loads of scenes from Captain Marvel as if late. By the way, remember all this should happen because, and they do a bit of focus on like, Talos and Fury's relationship and the promise to get them a new home. So finally, we might get some answers on what the fuck's going on in regards to that. We've got some cringe face though. I mean, there's always cringe being different, different selections of different moments. We meet Gravic as a kid. It's so exciting. Before he became a horrible monster, wanted to kill everybody. He's been introduced to join like the Skrulls under Fury. And the strange thing here is that you, like this is all accepted. You can understand this from the Captain Marvel point of view what you can take from that movie. But the, like, Fury gives a big speech about how like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll find you a home. I will. But I'm gonna need you to do something for me. And it was so like, wait, what? He was like, I need you to be my spies, my whole spy network. And I legit was like, God, God, that feels fucked up. Like, yeah, I'll get you just want a home. Yeah, he's like, I'll find you a place to stay if you give me a little something, something. It's like, what? At this point, Talos has already said so that he's gone out and searched the universe. You know, he just popped out in the afternoon and did it. And there is no planet in the entire universe that you can find. Yeah. And the thing is, the only difference is they're such a horrible people. He said they're a war-like species. They've absolutely pissed off every single people in the universe and nobody wants them in their backyard. So he was like, well, I'm the only person that can do the job at this point. So, well, I kind of think it explains it. What about Talos' planet where he was farming and shit? Like, who's doing that? No, no, no, that one is radiated with fannous leaves. It's so funny because yeah, that's the most obvious one. You showed us a guy farming on it. Like, it's... There's good soil there. We know there's good soil. That's all we need. Like, they could... Whatever you call it, the goomba fruit. The fucking squirrel. They grew that shit and they're good. The back-up one as well. It's good to stop themselves. They join a planet. They just start wiping out everyone on it and nearby. They just can't resist. They've got to kill all the political leaders. That's the second we got it. Maybe it's their fault. Like, this show never establishes. Maybe you guys just shit. Maybe it's your fault that you can't fucking find a home anywhere. Well, they say they started the Kree War. They admit that. Oh, my God. Makes you wander. And then it's like, maybe if you drop them off in nowhere and the guardians don't care of them, you wonder how long it would be before they try and assimilate Jax, or Drax, sorry, Jax, and be like, oh, God, how long before they reveal... Because it's just like, we just want to plant it. And it makes it all so complicated as well, because it's like, Fury, you probably shouldn't use them as spies when they're this vulnerable. And then he uses a kid as a spy. And it's like, what the fuck is going on? Because they say like, oh, his parents were killed in the war and he escaped. He piloted a ship all on his own. He's a smart Fury. We could use him. But he's like, but he's a child. But she says, only to humanize. And I was like, wait, what? Are they trying to say that, because of the whole like, you know, like human dog years, like they say in human years, Talos is 40. So it's like, wait, so you're saying like, this kid is way older than he looks? Is that what they're saying? I thought she meant that if he transforms into a 40 year old human, he's a 40 year old. Yeah, that's what I thought. Like he can pass as an adult. I thought that's what they were going for. But then she said, only to humanize that he's a child. And because if he could transform, then it wouldn't be to humanize at that point, right? Well, I don't know, because, would eyes matter? You'd still be objectively, because wouldn't she just go, he's 39. Well, but that doesn't even come across that way. He comes across as a kid. He looks like one and he sounds like one. And it's like, what's the- Look at his mannerisms. That's a kid. Yeah. And then they're like, don't worry, he's probably like 103 or something. Like instantly, but he doesn't seem that way. And yeah, just, it's something Fury would never do. He wouldn't, first of all, enlist all of them in like a way of, you have to be my spies or I won't find you a home. Fury would never fucking do that. And then he certainly wouldn't do it to scroll children. That's not happening. No fucking way. So, you know, it's bad enough that they've made him a character that will do that, but it will be held over him for this whole season, that act. By every character and it'll like result in everything going wrong. Such a pivotal scene. And it's just like all of it. I don't feel like even every line of dialogue he had there, I just feel like he wouldn't address it this way. He would act. Oh no. He wouldn't do it. You liked out a bit there. Oh. Good. No. No. That's why it's funny. No, that's the fact. I think it might be now. Yeah. Good, good. So good or still fucking around. No, so fine. He's good. OK, my point was that's the whole scene was bullshit. And Fury would never do that. Let me just get the point out real quick. Yeah, he would see potential in them and maybe see some people in the future that can help them with this firework. But his focus would be on finding these people at home. He did that just to make him another scene to make him able to be a piece of shit. And yeah, he basically just introduced the idea of them all going to be his spies. And so you might start getting worried because what's that going to mean in terms of retconning? It's like, oh, don't you worry, we'll get there. We'll get there. And yeah, it ends with him saying, you know, you keep your word and I'll keep mine. But obviously we know that Fury didn't get him a place. So, oh, so many, so many questions around. So what's going on? He did, though. I think there's a place. Well, where are you right now? I got you into like that building. I'm grateful. Like, I don't know. I mean, I scroll. If you can't make money turning into literally anyone on Earth. I'm sorry. Well, I don't know. Yeah, first of all, they should easily be able to integrate, like if they were just in a way that didn't want to sabotage all of Earth's political systems. But secondly, New Asgard, Earth actually made a place for aliens to live. Ignore that. So the Skrulls could just go live there. So they don't remember anything. They never do. Have no idea what's going on in their own universe. Yeah, they have the perfect power to blend in and they have places they can go, but they ignore all these things just so they can wind about Fury. Yeah, by the way, they cut back to the explosion at the beginning of this episode. And Gaia is, like, clearly not happy with the explosion. And it's such a, but would have well. Did you expect something else to happen? I don't know what's. She's like, oh, no. And then I started to wonder, like, what? What was her? She's like a double agent, right? What did she do to prevent the explosion going off in this scenario? Anything? Seemingly nothing. And then from Talos and Fury's point of view, wouldn't they think she betrayed them? It's so weird that the show doesn't seem to realize that from their perspective, it would seem that she sabotaged them. She set them up to fail. She said they'd be. But they still believe that she's chill. She said they'd be three. We only saw her with two. They were both decoys. And then the bomb went off and killed thousands of people. It's like, oh, so you fucked us. I'm pretty sure that's what I thought when I was watching it the first time. Yeah. I feel like they never. There's never a conversation. She's still their double agent as far as the show is concerned. And they talk to her later about plans and stuff. They just never talk about how that went horribly wrong and it's because of her not doing it. Like she should have been able to do something on her end, but she chose not to. So that's pretty awkward, but it's fine. There should have been a conversation there. Once again, she should be on the hook. Oh, I completely forgot about this. Fury's like panicking because he's old and stupid and confused. And then some guy grabs him and shoves him into a van. Kidnapped him. He just goes and I'm draped out by anybody. Some random dude. Somebody's like, yeah, why not kidnap him? Everyone else does. And this random dude gets into the car and then fucking transforms back into Talos. You're like, what are you doing? I do that. I would do that. Why would you do that? It's nanotech helmets, man. It's nanotech helmets. But like in this instance, we see him for like a split second. So it feels to me like they just wanted us to understand who kidnapped Fury. Yeah. It's like, I didn't need you to show, you could do so many other ways. What's wrong with you? But then you also like, wait, a way you could have shown it is by having him say to Fury as he's kidnapping him. Don't worry, it's me, but he doesn't. Yeah. He just leaves him there to panic. Yeah. He's having a heart attack in the back of the truck. It's okay. He conveys the information to us, the viewers who don't exist in this world, but he doesn't convey it to the person. Yeah. It's not bad. He's freaking out right now. Who's supposed to be his friend for 30 years? Let this guy have a panic attack instead of just clarifying it. It's so stupid. You can imagine that would have happened, by the way. He would have looked through the back and said, don't worry, it's me. And then Fury would have been like, why the fuck didn't you say that? Like, oh my God. What's wrong with you? I almost shot you in the face. It's like a pre-credits cliffhanger. Like, oh, is that going on with dallows? No. No, yeah. It's just lazy. And during this scene, you see loads of people running around. A ton of people survived that explosion. And then they go, do you realize 6,000 people died to those bombs? So what? There was even 6,000 people in the area. Wait, did they actually? Most of them survived. I think they said 2,000 people died and it's going to be close to triple that when we do the- Right, right, yeah. Something like that. But did you watch the scene? Like, Fury would be dead. Gravic would be, like, Gravic was right next to it. This doesn't make, like, I'm sorry, like 30 people died from that. Tops. Like, there's no way. It was like, thousands of people. It's ridiculous. They keep, they just don't remember their own scenes. It's so strange. Yeah, but it looked cool because it went off behind him and it looked great. That's why I'm saying he's immune to shrapnel. He just, like, ignores all the exploding stuff behind him. It was so close. It was like a shot. Just for the shot. So, we have the train scene. This one's pretty difficult. Okay, so, yeah. Cornbread, cornbread and chicken. Like, cheese. Oh yeah, by the way, they established that- Bro, this people's like half an hour for me. They established that Fury is a wanted man now in Russia. Like, they're putting out posters and whatever. Like, he's as wanted as can be. And he has a widow's veil. He will not be using it. Cause why would you? He'll just look like Fury. He's wearing a hat. Isn't that good enough? God damn it. Wait, they say he's a wanted man in this. Yeah, they actually show it to Helos who's dressed up as the girl. They say, like, have you seen this man? What was Rogi's threat then? Cause that was entirely reliant on the fact that nobody knew he was there. Oh yeah, you're right. I guess the threat would then move from, instead of it just being Russian, it would be the world wide. I don't know. I mean, surely the U.S. would have heard about- Well, the weird thing is- Yeah. The Russians want him right now because they know he was there. That's all they've got. But then the hearing suggests that the whole world believed that Fury had something to do with the bombing. And then Fury, you're right. Rogi then threatens really far on that, like, I'll tell everybody you were there by showing footage of you killing Maria Hill, right? That's what his threat was. Yeah. Yeah, he had the proof. Like, you would think the Russians would leak that on their own, let alone anything else. Yeah, I know. I don't know how to follow this. It's too difficult. It doesn't make any sense. This info should have definitely been out. So, like, they chill, and it's mostly fine, and then he's just like, you know, I used to take the train, this little nipper, and he just starts talking. And it's so bizarre. It's like, you guys have shit to talk about. You haven't got time for a story about how you used to eat chicken with your mum on the train. That is absolutely fucking insane. We're gonna use the bathroom, we had cornbread in the box, and we'd eat that chicken, and that chicken would be a gow! Chicken, George, and it up on this guy. I did have to look at what deviled eggs were, though. I'd never heard of them before. It's like, oh, boy. I know all that shit, and it was cringed to listen to it. It just lasted so long, like, please stop talking and get to the fucking point. Well, do you like the random cuts to Taylor's just smiling every once in a while? He's like, mm, mm, mm. Yes, I'm white. I don't know chicken. I don't know what you're talking about. Well, you know what he did? When he labeled up a bunch of foods and how it was like, just anything. I can just wait for Taylor to be like, I have no idea what you're talking about right now. Like, he's, he's sure, man. And yeah, he eventually arrives at talking about telling the truth about things. Like, it's the most convoluted garbage just to get to the point of him saying, Taylor, what happened with the Skrulls? That's all we actually are supposed to get out of the scene and stuff to with the Skrulls. But you just tell this fucking story about how his mom would ask him to tell him here's something about things that she knew about. Also, it, oh, it took so long. The scene just goes on and on and on. You can think of like a thousand different movies that like have, you know, complex backstories or things that they convert into a setup for the scene. And it's actually interesting and it like applies to it. This was just a waste of time. Like, just get to it already. Like, this is you just. You're right. It's pretty bad. There's so many I can think of that would be better than that. Absolutely an attempt to recreate in the Winter Soldier one, which, yes, had a much more definitive and obvious point that he was making about security. It's like the writer just thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is. He thinks he's creating House of Cards as shit. Basic shit, but it just comes off as if they think it's brilliant. And every time I'm just rolling my eyes. Well, were you going to say this, Drew? What was your favorite line? Sorry. I think I cut him off. Oh, to carry on what you were saying about being smarter than he is, there's actually a character that does this in the in the black list and he always comes out with stories about stuff, but it's always relevant to the thing and it actually makes the point. Just innocent Raymond Reddington and the story would work perfectly. You could have just stolen it from the script. He legit could have copied that same concept from so many other things and like make it satisfying in the end to tie in. This was a waste of time. Just straight up. It was a complete waste of time. I could just feel it as I was listening to it. Like we're not getting anything out of this substance. That's actually like worthwhile. But it has my favorite quote soon after it where he goes, tell me what you know about the scrolls that fled. He goes, they're here. A few of you just looked and we go, who's here? Yeah, you're talking about the scrolls, right? Tell me about the scrolls there. I just know that like he's got dementia or something in the future. If ever there's a scene was sitting down with him and he just starts going like, you know, once I sit on the toilet, you're like, no, no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't care. Like I don't know one of the fucking story is going to be. I took a shit the size of Mississippi. Perfect timing. That chicken gave me dissonance. I've been I've been listening on my phone. I see you guys are all the way up to episode two is opening. Yeah, so I've heard. Yeah, we had our we had our bomb. We had our explosion. We had the thousands dead. And now we're talking about red chicken on the train. On the porch, drinking lemonade just kept going. I just love. Do you remember Toys R Us? And the second they actually like cut into something useful. Tell us your last name was Jeffrey. I mean, do you remember Jeffrey? You know what I think about chewing gum? Do you remember Bazooka Joe? They should be one. I remember the chase by the Klan. You remember LeBron. You remember LeBron's lightning lemonade? Do they still make baby bottle pops? I don't know. The scene is going to age. Which was the style at the time? It says that over and over again. And yeah, the second they get into actually useful information, Taos just drops on him. By the way, there's a million scrolls in Earth hidden. By the way, the response from Fury is something they were so proud of. They end up putting it in, like, I think one or two previously we was like, have you lost your reptilian ass, man? It's so useful. So are they reptiles? I don't fucking know. I don't know. Because if he called if he called Nick Fury a mammal. Right. Oh, OK. I mean, yeah, black people are mammals. That is true. I don't know if the MCU's position is on that. But that's a weird thing. You reptilian ass mind. Oh, looks like I don't think they're reptiles because he's green. It's a it's a racism thing. Oh, my goodness. Jolly green giant. He was a reptile. He was a reptile. Yeah, Taos just said he put out a call and every single scroll that isn't in Emperor Drogue's colony answered. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm assuming it's future stuff. Emperor Drogue. Who's that? I don't know. He's an emperor. Why aren't they with the emperor scroll? Is he evil? Is he has an evil day? Drogue. Well, I'm good. Well, Mahler, if he's a scroll, statistically, yes, he is one good scroll. I think that's true. But I think something's wrong with him. Hmm. He's like broken. Yeah, he's clearly not functioning correctly. Yeah. And so Fury's like, you lied to me. And then he's like, we were being hunted. Either I let them die or I bring them here. What would you have done? It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, those he said you lied. Not he didn't question the decision to bring them here. He said you lied about them being here. That's all. And you're like, why would the writer write that that way? Why would he? Why would they do a non sequitur? And it's like, well, because he then says, what would you have done? Yeah, well, he says, what would you have done? Then Fury says, this isn't about me. And then he says, oh, right. But you like using us as your spies and Aaron boys. And that again, all right, instead of so that you can ignore the real conversation, which is you invited a million scrolls to come to earth. Yes. And they got here and you didn't tell me about it. And now they're all. And we didn't tell Fury about it. And now they're everywhere on on earth. Like this is layers of a million. Well, it's just. Wow. This is shit. Like you you can't do that. Like of a catastrophe. You can't you can't do that. This is this is going to. So I hate this. I'm going to be clear. I hate scrolls. This show made me racist to get scrolls. I hate them. All right. The fact that you can have Talos do this is insane. We're just going to have a million people come to earth, settle here wherever they want. Can't do that. It's earth. Every place is claimed that there's a government in all of these places, their countries. So you're subverting something. This stuff to just bring him to a planet that you have no right to invite them to. And then you're not going to tell anyone. You're not going to call up the president. We eventually find out that some of these scrolls have subverted governments. Yeah, like actually replaced heads of state. And so it's like they subverted governments like they've subverted democracies. Which I think is considered a declaration of war, right? That they've done that. Absolutely, 100 percent. And that's a war into species war. And by the way, as soon as all of earth finds out that there's an alien species trying to take over, they will unite like hell against you. No, they will unite into their powers. Take over and then nuke all of you, you know? Well, just the fact that the scrolls have the abilities that they have means that they wouldn't be allowed to be here. Yeah, it's just that it's just that it's not allowed. It's a bit awkward, right? Because when you talk about the idea of like aliens living on earth, I think that having like Veb or Korg or Meek or those guys hanging out on earth is super chill. Having them sit around on the couch, play video games like I'm super chill with them. But then when it's like, oh, but these are aliens that can like shift into other people, steal their entire life, steal their minds. It's like, OK, that's a bit more complicated because it makes it really hard for society to function. Yeah, you know, you can't you can't be here. You can take over the minds of people. Yeah, you could make yourself appear someone else. You could subvert the very sort of like fundamental nature upon which human civilization and interaction is built upon. You are not compatible with our species. Sorry, but you can't be here. Go to the Thanos planet and in farm flume varies. Yeah, go to nowhere. It's probably worth again, addressing the idea that you can't find a home for the scrolls. Oh, shit, they knew they knew they couldn't justify that. Right. So they just said, couldn't do it. We're not going to talk about that. No way. What are you like the idea that you couldn't just find some planet? Everybody's pointed it out. Thanos is God and planet. And I mean, there's a scroll who knows that that planet exists as well, but he didn't tell anybody. Someone said if they're not trying to take over the planet, then there's no problem. So it's already pretty difficult for Earth to implement like systems to take care of an alien race that can at any point take over anything they want in a way that's really hard to tell. But we don't get to enjoy that potential because Talos fucked it over. You decided that we would skip that. And now it's too late because, like was said, they have several high positions of power is too late. Like as soon as the government finds out that even one person is taken over like a president or anything like that, it's like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck all of you, like, absolutely. He would actually do. Like, I feel like that wasn't his character from Captain Marvel, like the Talos which are combined a million scrolls. No, they the story can't work unless we do that way. Like this is the only story. So I don't I feel like he would say it's not his place to make that kind of choice. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it's like, this is this is a human's planet. You know, do you remember the scroll? Even the lines he said is like, there are holes. We have to be able to like compromise and, you know, like you can't like he was respectful of the fact that this is their planet and we have to make this work. That line doesn't fit with the same dude that would bring a million fucking scrolls. Well, without asking anybody exactly. Well, you know, I mean, the right is a secret. That is a secret invasion. That is the part that is the secret invasion. It's Talos is the one who did the secret invasion. Having a million scrolls come here without permission when you have no right to be here. That's the invasion. And you can just judge them by their actions because they can turn into anybody. They just need DNA. So they got to turn into dead people or people without identities. No, every single one of them takes somebody else's life, kidnap them and shove them in a basement. Even the supposed good scrolls still talk over somebody else's life and remove theirs from them. So it would be a rule of them being here. We would not allow them. You can't look like humans. Like that's just you just can't do that. Yeah, that's one of the things that they would be banned from shapeshifting. That would be the number one rule in terms of compromise. Yeah, if by a miracle, by an absurd miracle, you were allowed to stay here, which you wouldn't be. They would say, yeah, like if you transform to look like a human, then like, you know, then well, you're going to be imprisoned or whatever, which works out because the scrolls want to look like scrolls anyway. Great. There we go. Wonderful. Didn't they ignore all that? We never get to that position because we didn't find out about them first. So they got to act and we got to see how they would act naturally without anyone forcing them. And they just decided to start taking over the world. This is every everything we're talking about is the natural way that this would all work out is that Fury would, first of all, he would never turn them into his personal agents when they're looking for a home, like as if that's an exchange. That's fair. And then Talos would never lie about implementing a million scrolls into earth without telling him, right? Those two things wouldn't have happened. And if they didn't happen, then everything would go pretty normally and boringly. Fury would have put him on a planet and they'd been fine because there's plenty of them. And that's it. It's over. It's like, well, that's not fun. We got to make a story. And hence, every time something tries to get addressed, we'd say like Fury was sad, Fury failed, Fury couldn't find, Fury is a failure. It's like, why did Talos do it? It's like, we never get to ask him that. He only have a deflects. It seems the only explanation would be well, they would have been in trouble. And that's like, I'm not sure. But again, I thought we were looking for a planet that you guys wanted a home. Well, Fury's about to bring up why that's a really bad argument anyway, to credit him somewhat. If you bring in a bunch of aliens into earth in a secret way, the second they're discovered, they're going to start getting exterminated. Especially ones that are trying to fucking destroy the planet, by the way. Yeah, none of it makes any fucking sense. And the closest we get to him saying, why did you lie to me? Why would you do that? That's not in character at all. He just says, he's bringing up the whole agents thing, as if that's a completely different out-of-character problem. But I guess it deflects from the current issue. But you see that a lot in shit writing, right? Hide the mess, move on to something else. Hopefully people get distracted. Because man, was that shit. Pretty much been this show. I think that's, yeah, that's a good way of describing the show, because of all the ramifications that are going to stem from the events as will be described going forward, the MC has to forget it, because it's now a permanent thing that they would have to deal with in terms of world building, especially with how the show ends. Yeah, they've already said the next Captain Marica will just ignore this. I'm sure that they will not directly ignore. I could believe that. Yeah, I could believe that. I wouldn't want to deal with it. How could you deal with this, like writing? Like how do you deal with this from world building perspective that now basically on Earth all the time, you have to always be accounting for scrolls, and like the paranoia that the whole world has about the existence of scrolls, and that any given person they interact with could not be who they think they are. As of what they did with a particular character at this point, they've found almost every single way you can drain the stakes out of a story, like an ongoing story. And one of the newer ones included is that any one person you know or believe in as a character could not be them from any point now or from onwards. You'll never know. You'll never know. There's no way to know. You'll never truly know. Like that's fun. That keeps me invested. That's really awesome. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but it's like the meta element of, it's the same reason that, like think about what, you know, I guess Mahler just said there in terms of the meta of us, an audience watching a TV show, and imagine that's your life now. That's like your life. Every person you meet ever, for the rest of forever, could be an alien shapeshifter who's actually pretending to be someone else. You see where, yeah, gonna be some issues. Oh, it sucks too. Let's say there was a scroll who walked up to someone as a, like say right now, Fury meets up with Cap and it's a scroll. And then he's like, prove it. Where did we meet? And then he's like, oh, you got me. I was a scroll and just leaves. And then the next time he sees Cap, that could be the same guy trying again. And he's like, I remember what I was supposed to remember this time. So I asked me the question, you know, that sort of thing. Like that, what a shit-willed. Well, you can test it. It turns the whole MCU into the thing. It turns the whole MCU into the thing. And then it almost goes wrong. Like, permanently, but instead of just like, you know, the outpost, it's like the entire cinematic universe. So it's like, I'm not gonna be able to address this. Like, even within the show, I think one of the main patterns we've addressed is, they had no interest in figuring out the rules for the scrolls, how the powers work. Like, they didn't have any interest in that. They didn't care. They just slapped everything together. And if you don't have interest in that, how can we have interest in them to have continuity with it going forward? They're just gonna ignore all this and move on. As far as I remember, the only time they ever check if anyone is a scroll is when they already know that person is a scroll. Yeah. Yeah, those are the two ones. It was the lady, I can never remember her name, but the agent lady and Nick Fury with Rody. Like the only scenes I could think of were when they actually already knew them or they were a scroll. They didn't actually take the time to figure it out. It's so weird. Well, it is. Not one scene that they do anything clever. It would destroy like the entire series. So shut up. Like, why would you? Oh, they don't even want to think why they get it wrong. Cause I mean, they even, again, the thing, it's like, it's a movie. It's not a television series. And even that film has the opportunity, like squeezes in an opportunity for there to be one instance where they're not the thing. It was a person. You play with the concept. Like actually have fun with it. And that's what screamed out to me with this is they didn't care. I think it's part of the reason why they actually lost a lot of the regular audience was because there was an expectation that that's what this story was going to have. It was going to actually lean into that paranoia element. And it doesn't at all. It's basically the same as like. Completely absent, yeah. It's, yeah, it's just not a part of the show at all. You have those scenes in the thing, right? Where the guy runs to the shotguns and like he runs to the weapons, breaks the case open because he's really worried about what's happening. And everybody has to calm him down and everybody's on edge. And even the like security guy, he gives up his pistol, you know, as a display. But like all of those little things that pile up and add on, people trying to be believable. And then the course of subversion of the thing itself. It makes that not only really interesting to watch, but it gives it a lot of things to appreciate on repeat viewings. But this show is devoid of that. What are you going to learn about this show that's worth learning on a second viewing? It's just gonna get worse. Yeah, it's just going to get worse and you're going to add it to your notes and you're going to make a live stream about it. Yeah, probably. That's pretty much it. It's good writing gets better on a rewatch. And like bad writing like this, it's just going to fall apart. And most of this stuff is things you can notice on the first watch. Like it's actually that terribly made. I'm starting to live at the end of this program is with it's horrible problems, obviously. Yeah. A few minutes after Rody appears, I saw people going, he's a scroll. He called him Nick. No one called him Nick. He's a scroll. It was that obvious. Yeah. So there was no depth to any of it. We're going to have that real quick. Were you ever tricked by anything? Any of the scroll tricks? Was there any setup or anything that just like, oh, you know what? That was pretty clever. Is there any moment? I can't even think of one. Was the scroll tricks? Like in terms of a scroll? They did a couple of reveals throughout the season of like, yeah, did you think that person was a scroll? But most of them, a lot of them, the story didn't work if they weren't that. You'd be like, wait, how does, you know, like it would be retarded if this was happening for real. And then it's like, it's not like right. Obviously in this conversation, the fact that he reveals that horrible million scroll invasion thing and furious like outrage. But then before he can ask him more on that, he points out the whole, you made a spies thing. You made us your own personal agents in exchange for getting a home, which yes, it's like, what the fuck? Yeah, Fury, what the fuck? Then do you remember what Fury says back to that? The host sets the terms. Ugh. Like, Fury, he's saying, he understands that he's criticizing you. He's saying that was immoral, fucking moron. But like, there's no excuse. You can't write an excuse for why Fury would do that. So you just have to say, yeah, I did do that. Yeah. You can do. It's like, anything else? It's like, nope, that's that. I did that. And then Taylor says like, oh yeah, well what happens when the host disappears? And it's like, oh shit, I forgot. That's another thing that doesn't make any sense. You turn them into agents, dependent in every way on you, and then you abandon them. Sounds like Nick Fury. Yeah. Well, it's just they needed to create a reason for that to be a grudge against him. And it's like the only way that they were able to do that was to have him act in a way that was completely contrary to his character. It's wild. Like it's unbelievable, isn't it? And you know, we've been highlighting them all as they've come, but here's another one. Taylor says, I didn't think you were coming back. And even when you did, I couldn't talk to you about anything real. Your boots didn't even hit the ground. Oh, it's too heavy down here, man. I'll just run off to my space station. You've been up there for years. It's like, did he just make fun of him for saying that he was under too much pressure and had to run off to a space? Like, what the fuck is going on? Can you imagine the scene where Fury's like, I'm too sad, I'm gonna run off to space? Okay. And yeah, he abandoned them for years. Does that sound like something he'd do? I never understood why he was upset that he went away in the blip. And after the finale, now we know. Because he was relieved that he got blipped off, he was upset that he lived. He was upset that he came back. When he got dusted back, he was like, oh. Yeah, he was like, I thought it was finally over and you've brought me back to this disastrous life. Is essentially what he was miserable about. I thought I was out of the MCU, damn it. I just thought I was dead. The second he reformed, he was like, all right, that's four million already. Okay, you gotta pay me, I ain't doing this otherwise. Jesus. Yeah, and then he says, but you knew how to get in touch with me, Talos, and you didn't because you didn't want me to know. And I was like, wait, you could talk to him whenever you want and yet you're claiming he abandoned you for two years? Like, you could have just called him? I'm telling you, not what you call me first. Do you chill if I bring a million scrolls to him? Yeah, like, I never follow up on that. Remember, the scrolls thing was 15 years ago, he did that. So that was when they were talking to each other regularly. That's, and he just didn't tell him which was, wow. So I don't, this whole conversation is filled with gaping holes everywhere. And it's just like, are you just throwing more and more at me to distract me from not answering the others? Is that it? Here's another one. Here's another one. What do you not want me to know? Talos must have been caping tabs on the scrolls. So he would have known they'd been taking over governments and stuff. And at no point did he think, this has got a bit out of hand. I should probably call someone. Yeah, you're correct, because the council he's talking about being removed from is the council with the Prime Minister of Britain and the leader of NATO, was it? Is this- So he's fine with them taking over the world. It was like United Nations, dude. Yeah, well, in any case, it only takes a Google search to find out that these people were hyper powerful, like if they weren't already explicitly talking about, you know what I mean? Unless they did it yesterday. Well, but I mean, that doesn't sit, I mean, I don't know. The problem is, again, we know that there was an individual who has been held captive- Yes. By the rogue scrolls for potentially 10 years. So, yeah, like- Thanks for letting us know, Talos. Well, yeah, and they're both fucked at this point. Both of them aren't the characters they're supposed to be playing, they're entirely fucked up. And that means anything can happen at this point. Because Talos then says, with your help, scrolls and humans can still coexist. And then Fury says, humans don't coexist with each other. We've been at war forever with each other since we could walk upright. And it's like, wait, hang on. Like, I understand being mad at the scrolls, but I thought, it's like he's saying all of this, this was Fury's plan was to integrate the scrolls. What I'm saying, it's like, why would, that doesn't make any sense for him of all people to say that when, how could he have the plan that he had to actually implement them when he thinks that way? That they could never believe it. I got the impression they were trying to make like a grander point that this show is making, that humans in general are pretty like, prejudiced towards anything, not just like scrolls is the allegory, but the- Yeah, humans can't get along. It doesn't make sense for Fury to say that. And so having him say it makes me feel like it's a point they wanted to make. Well, Fury says at the end that he realized that there was no planet in the universe that could do it. So he wanted them all here to make it, like his only choice was, his intention was to make a home for them here. He says that in the finale. Yeah, that's why it was really weird to make him say this line, it doesn't match anything. And it's like, I guess they just wanted to say that in general. I don't know. And then he says, matter of fact, I think this is your stop and kicks Talos out of the train, basically. Which is like, this is probably the worst time ever to do that. You need to keep tabs on this guy and you probably should arrest him and bring him to the president or something. Probably, yeah. This is a nightmare scenario and that everything is on fire and people have died and that you need all the help you can get. But then he's just like, go away. Like, okay, honey, he leaves. And then I actually think they do cut back to Fury and he's like, oh my God. It's like- They do that several times. They'll cut to him after a conversation and they'll be like on the bench like, oh my God. It's like completely breaking down every single time. Yeah, the time where he does this little Fury speech and then he has to run outside and sit on a bench because he's sad. Oh my God. It's like overwhelm. It ruins the power of the line before. He's like- That was the point. Yeah. Is to keep doing it. Because that was like, oh yeah, Fury's back now. He's like, oh no, he's destroyed again. He can't have the energy. Every time he has some big moment, it's like, it does a big moment at the end. And then it's, oh no, it's not even him. So it's done deliberately. And then he sighs after, like they keep doing it and it's so frustrating to watch. Does anyone remember Sha from 2000, Samuel Jackson? Yep. Yeah, so in that movie, he glues his license as a cop too. And there's a scene where he's intimidating the gangsters. Like basically they're saying, oh, you're not a pig anymore. And he explains, do you think that makes me more dangerous or less dangerous or more dangerous? And just showing that now he doesn't have any rules to follow, but he still has all that experience and background. This is what we should be seeing with Nick Fury. Like even though he doesn't have the Avengers and all these other things, he should still have skills, tactics, resources, but he's just a sensitive bitch the entire time. It's so, it sucks to watch. Well, it's that plus he's super depressed because Thanos dusted him and that made him have an existential crisis. So he's just like, who the fuck is this character? Who are you? Like, yeah, I know, it's Dave, he's gone. Who are you? Let me have a really awkward scene where Maria Hill's funeral is happening and her mom is like, hi, were you there? And he's like, yeah. And she's like, how did it happen? He said, she died trying to stop the attack. A trap was set for me. Someone wanted to hurt me. And so they hurt her. And then she's like, wow, so you're the reason that I'm taking my daughter home in a box. I'm just like, I'm just throwing my head at me. Like, why phrase it that way? Of all the ways. You just, oh my God. Your daughter died because of me. I killed her. I fucking stabbed her in the throat. It was me. And she's like, so it was you. You just know they have to do it, man. All the ways you could have phrased that, especially with all the variables. He could, you know, even if he's guilty, he could have phrased it in a way that was a little bit more neutral, but no, they have to make him as stupid and as guilty as possible, every scene. Well, it's super awkward that he said that this way, especially if the information gets out that he shot her, you know what I mean? Quote, quote, he shot. And like, she'll be like, wait a minute. Like, what the fuck? What the fuck are you lying to me? And then, yeah, he says, I'm sorry I couldn't protect her. And she says, you're Nick Fury. She believed in you. She would have followed you to hell and back. I don't know what she died for out there, but don't let it be for nothing. But I thought it was a really funny line because she knows nothing about what happened. So she's like, don't let it die for nothing. It's like, you don't know if she died for nothing or something. Why are you saying it? It's not even that. She believed in you. No, the last scene we saw her, she was in the pub, bitching at him about how he's a useless waste of space. Yeah, that's true. I don't believe him at all. Well, and she died thinking he shot her because she's a dumb ass. Yes! If she believed in him, she wouldn't have thought that. She would initially, like had the reaction we said, she would have been ashamed that she didn't see it coming. But instead, like, yeah, it's the complete opposite. They still don't know they did. So, pretty bad. Yeah, and this whole scene is just another one piling on Fury. It's like, look how you failed her, Fury. You failed. You suck. And it's just like, when are we at the part where you stop doing this with every single fucking character, please? The subtlety is not respectable, is what I would say. So, yeah. I did think that they'd rebuild him for the next movie. It's like, no. Oh, really, no. I had low standards and they beat them. Look, America's against corruption. And that was it. Yeah, this is where they say the whole killed 2,000 civilians. That they say the UK Prime Minister was quick to denounce the attack. And I found that set is so strange that I was like, yeah. You said that like, we didn't know if she would do that. Maybe the British Prime Minister was gonna approve of the attack. She's famously trolling. She's a bit of a cunt. So sometimes, you know, but today she denounced it, so it's all good. Also by rags. Yeah, what's going on with him? Oh, he's dead tonight, I think he mentioned, but he said he's listening. So, he's here in spirit. Yeah, and she says the NATO Security General is acting swiftly to gather intel on the bombing. So I guess, yeah, that is, he is the NATO Security General. Despite the outpouring of condemnation, All-Science point to imminent retaliation from Russia from what the Kremlin regards as an all out declaration of war by the Americans. What? What the fuck are you talking about? They even have the suspecting custody of the leader of Americans against Russia. How is it that a group of psychos in a country is now means that there's a declaration of war between Russia and America? It's like, because this was the plan by the Skrulls, and it actually seems to have worked for now. This is like, how? I mean, I don't even know, because at this point, the British know that the Skrulls exist. Yep. And so, if Russia and America were going to war, you'd think they'd be like, you do realize Skrulls are on the right, you might be them. Why doesn't Fury tell anyone? Yeah. It's like, Fury just tell the Americans? It's like, oh, they're being tricked, trolled, tell the Russians. It's all these crazy aliens. And by the way, it's not hard to believe because shapeshifting already exists. It was in the She-Hulk show. It was one of the stupidest guardians. There's a million of them. Like, one of them gets a nosebleed and everyone knows they're on Earth. And then, as well, the widow's veil shit has been around for over a decade, right? Why wouldn't that always mean that you can never trust any footage? You just can't. They should have been prepped for this before the Skrulls because of that veil. That's such a good point. Like, it's a concept that they should be prepared for. The fact that identities can be hidden so easily. They should be prepped for this. Yeah, they just prepped. I mean, fucking dead reckoning got it where he's pulling on people's skin. Like, hey, you real? It's like, we need to see people doing that. It's like when Rody threatens him with it, though, and he's like, is that your excuse? The aliens can turn into other people. It's like, well, firstly, it's true. Yeah. And secondly, he could have just pulled out the widow's veil and go, I could look like anybody. But also, with the insane technology, it's like, the fucking footage could have been hacked. You don't know. You don't know anything. There's nothing you can fucking do. This is not the whole point of this show originally. When you can't trust anything, all you can trust is people. But what if you couldn't even trust your people? Ooh. Everyone just drops everything on Fake Fox about you in the show. How do you open the story with that but then completely forget to implement that concept? Like, properly. Just no suspicion or tension from anybody. And then they have what's really funny is they have fake Fox news. And this is the character that they have say, they're all saying that we have something to do with that attack, but there's no way it was American. It's gotta be a false flag. It's written all over it. Like, that's the most reasonable thing that was said on the news. It's like the most obvious. But it's the FXN news, you see. It's not Fox. This turns out to be a scroll. So I think what they're trying to say is, this is one of the good scrolls trying to prevent the war and he still died. Well, but he's on the council that agrees to try and start the war. Yeah, this guy's on there. Oh, is he? Yeah. Yeah. What's he telling everyone not to start a war? Maybe to do. I actually don't know. Because you show shit this through. That's why. Because I've got a deeper moment. You think the line they want to go with for him would be like, I'm not sure if I believe it, but there's a lot of reason that America would do this. And you never know the governments. You know, like they would have him do that instead of outright denying it. Well, I thought that's what the meaning was at the end of him dying. It was like, well, innocent scrolls are getting swept up in this that tried to actively prevent the war. But if he voted for it, that's. Yeah, he voted in favor. Yeah, he was with it. He was with it. Why would they do that? I lived. What did they mean by this? I don't understand. They mean everything simultaneously is what I've got. Oh, man. So now we're going to get our very first scene of a character saying that Fury sucks because we've not done that yet. Grab it. Wait, does Fury suck? You know what? I don't know. I'm going to have to figure it out from what the characters tell me because she asks if Gravic knew Fury would be there. And he says, I didn't, but I hoped he'd be there. I wanted to see what was left of him, but he's just vapors old. I could have killed him if I wanted to, but I don't want to punish a man by giving him what he wants. So can we just get a checkbox? Fury wants to die. There we go. We got it, everyone. I have the vapors. He can join us the trophy shelf of all the fucking heroes of old wanting to fucking die. Yay. At least when Luke wanted to die, he went to a nice aesthetic island with a lovely view and some nice frog people. Yeah, Fury's ran off to a stay station to cry. Yeah, Luke's death was more considerate. No wonder he doesn't want the Avengers to come back in this, then. He's only depressed because they won. So he's like, I wanted to die, and you saved me? You ought to buy this. That's what I mean. Just saying, you could kill yourself whenever you want. Yeah, Fury, I'm making a big thing out of it. Let's see, let's do it. Do a flip. So, yeah, again, just another one. And he hasn't done it yet, this character. This is graphics, so it's nice to have everyone have their scene to say that Fury's shit. At least now the villain is saying it. That's mean. Now it's the villain. So he's heading into the Skrull meeting, and the guy is not allowed in, and the guard's like, no, no, no, you can wait outside. And so she's like, oh, you know, what the fuck? And then Gravic hands her a pistol and says, if I'm not out in an hour, shoot this guy in the head. What? This was all of nothing. No, it doesn't even go. It's just supposed to be like threatening. It's just like, I mean, they're the security. She's like four foot. That means in 10 minutes he'll shoot her first. That means when we're at the nine something minute mark, he's going to be ready to plug her first. Because remember, they're Skrulls too. They've got the super strength that she has. So what the fuck? Like it's so weird. It is supposed to just be badass, I think. It's like, look how cool Gravic is. I mean, to be fair, Gravic's taller than the security and she beats him. It's so, yeah, the size differences are pretty funny here, actually. She's so tiny. She should shape shifted to someone taller so she can reach things. Gravic barely fits in that door. As he's a tall boy. So here we go. The scene that, I think this is arguably the scene where it's just like they could never, ever get a good show after this. This is all so fucked. Gravic just walks in as he's like, ah, secretary general, madam prime minister. Like, oh yeah. And obviously the news guy that we just saw and the implication of course being. She should be having me. I always remember him for some reason. Well, I mean, now I'm remembering this guy from faculty with those, that's what we lost to him, right? Or was it after that? Remember he was tall enough? What's that? Oh yeah, he was the dad. Yeah, he was the dad of, um. Elijah Wood. Elijah Wood, yeah. I don't know, I forgot his name there for a second. Isn't that movie? Elijah Wood. Yeah, I haven't seen it in years. Faculty's good. Yeah, it is, actually. This is so old, no, that's what I'll check out. I definitely want to check out if it holds up. So, um, Gravick opens with like, I see all of you dressed up in the man's finery using his cutlery. I was like, wait, hang on. Like, you wear clothes too, Gravick. And like, what do you mean? Using a knife and fork is now like anti-scroll? What do you guys do, animals? We'll eat with our hands. The only time we saw a scroll eat scroll food was the grumbofruity dug into it with his mouth. They don't use knives and fork, they're delicious. It's so cringe. He's like, ah, you're doing human things. It's like, this is just normal, dude. A lot of species can benefit from it. Well, yeah, he's blowing up planets. The whole series, isn't that human things? Like him and his sugar thing? He's literally, he's in a human full. Right now, yeah. He should be scroll form. That would be, that would actually make the scene stronger. But there's nothing around. There's several instances in the show where it would make the show stronger if the scroll's like, decided, I'm a, yeah, I'm gonna look like a scroll now because I'm proud of being a scroll, but I never do it because I want you to make up. You're so right. This scene initially kind of confused me because I'm like, if this is a scroll council, why the fuck are you guys not in scroll form? Yeah. There's no reason to be you. That's why I thought this was a cheap show. And then I found out it cost $212 million. I was stunned. We've been trying to figure out from the beginning of this podcast, where did that money go? Where? What part of the show cost that money? People are chandelier. Maybe they tried to construct a space station and film it for the Sazer thing. And then they, it like crashed and they were like, oh fuck, we're gonna make space real soon. Something went wrong. They won't believe it unless it's a real space station. It's just like one SpaceX rocket. And then all you get a full bad green. It would have made a very powerful visual too if you showed all of these people transforming into humans like after the meeting or something. That would have been like, oh yeah. So many ways they could have played with it, but they just, they don't care. They don't find, they don't find the scrolls interesting. If they did, they would have at least tried something. It's, I don't know. Why do these people write these things if they have no interest in the concept? Oh, and that news, which I, that's kind of fair. The news broadcast was before the council where he agreed to start World War Three. You could argue that maybe he was a peace loving guy, but this council meeting pressures him into being a bad guy. But then of course, dispar's point was that it isn't it sad that he got like, maybe the show was saying like, look, the good one's dead and it's like, he's not really the good one if he was complicit in all of it, right? But yeah. Especially when one of them says no walks off and nothing happens to him. Oh yeah. Like he could have gone, actually I changed my mind. Oh, he could have done loads more. All the scrolls could have done loads more, but they just don't. So yeah, Gravic says all that shit. And then one of them says back, it's better to live like a human than a dog. And then he says, I like dogs. I like dogs. Well, he says dogs aren't hypocrites. They don't lie. And they don't lock each other in cages and pimp each other or poison each other or destroy their own habitat. They do destroy their own habitat. Anyone who's had a dog knows they destroy their own. What the fuck are they talking about? Lies. I mean, dogs are lying. I mean, how many pit bull maulings have we had this year? Oh no. What are you talking about? None. It's a false flag. The dogs will hide treats. They'll do all sorts of things. They're liars when they have the opportunities to, so I didn't take any of that in. Wow. He says all of that is all this racism in here. I didn't know it was lurking under the surface this whole time. All it took is a swell shot for it to come bubbling up to the top. Yeah, so he says all of that, obviously referencing humans. And then the guy says that's a naive reading of human history. His response is, it's the oddly reading. Ooh. Like, ooh, humans, all they do is lock each other in cages, pimp and poison destroy themselves. That's all we've ever done, no innovations or nothing. I'm a 12-year-old, dude. Just a reminder, there's unhappy meals now, mom. Surrounded, the Skrulls got everything destroyed because they went to war. They apparently started, yet the humans are the ones that destroy themselves in their own habitat. You're trying to steal our planet. Graphic calls themselves a war people. So he can't complain if we're a war species as well. Because he'd be like, this is glorious. You're just like us. One of the many reasons he makes no sense, constantly contradicting himself. I have no idea what this man wants. Or it's like his thought process the whole season. It keeps with him back and forth. Well, you broke a promise. That's basically the story of it. That's it, that's it. That's pretty much it. Oh my God. So one of the characters is like, recent acts of terror have undermined the peace that we intend to preserve and punishment must be meted out on those responsible. You murdered children and you don't seem remotely remorseful. What gives you the right to disobey the council? And then his response to all of that, which by the way, it's a great argument. And I knew the writer wasn't prepared to be able to fight back at that argument. Cause it's like, this is almost impossible. It was his argument. And so, uh, Graphic says, Fury promised us a home, but it never came. All right, well then the child murder is okay. Why are you killing children, man? That's a bit weird. Why didn't I consider that? And he says like, the humans cast us aside. Then I was like, wait a minute. They didn't even know you were here. They didn't even have a chance to cast you aside. We might have, cause you're an asshole. But they- You probably would have. You know, it didn't happen. At least give us a chance to. And then he says, I promise you Earth will be our home because I'm going to take it. It's like you really haven't addressed our point, not even a little bit about the whole children killing thing. You're just like, no, I'm just going to kill more people. Fuck it. And then, um, do you remember this delivery? He says, I think it's a war. A war. Oh. It's like, what the fuck? There's several times he's like, I am acting. He just gets louder. I thought it was all good. I don't think he was a terrible actor, but that it seems like that where it's like, what are you doing? This is where I'm at. Yeah, like, I think he's probably capable of a lot more than that. But like, man, they made him do some cringe stuff. Like maybe, maybe don't maybe have something else. But yeah, like I said, everything he said didn't address the point that killing children is bad. And that's at this point, I think you can, you can see the pattern. That's what the writer does. They seem to recognize problems and then they just highlight other things and hope you ignore that they didn't address it. I mean, distraction lines. I don't even know what to call it. I don't like it, whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, and so he says, you know, humans are destined to consume themselves. Anyone worrying about innocent deaths, don't you worry, we're simply hastening the inevitable. Right. But it's like, do you listen to your own, like you need to put on like a big, spooky black cloak that have like a scepter or something. Bum, bum, bum. It has a big moustache. How was he just not argued for the cray? Yeah, I don't know. Because there's a war-like species. It was inevitable. The cray were just doing it for them. This is sad. Yeah, exactly. Like, because the writers can't come up with anything interesting for graphic. They've just made it so that it's like, I'm mad that we didn't get to take over Earth, so I'm going to do it by force and kill their children too. Oh, okay. Killmonger logic. Like, he's just... Yeah. I don't know. Their ability to write villains is, I don't know how they ever pulled Thanos off. Like, that's like... He was absolutely... Looking back at that, because my next video is going to be on Thanos. I'm comparing him to Darkseid. And taking a look with a fine-to-colon at his opening scene. Reminding me of Darkseid. Oh, my God. What's the... It keeps happening, because the next step, of course, we've covered this a couple of times, but this is the first time the fucking show decides to is the Avengers. It's like, even this Skrull council is smart enough to be like, we can't beat the Avengers. They're pretty tough. It just shows him and goes... Oh, no one calls them. And he just says, you don't think I thought about that? And then he never brings it up. He doesn't tell them what his solution is. No, we know what his solution technically might be. It's not even a solution. I think he doesn't tell them, right? He tells them later. Well, you bring them to the... This is the time to tell them, because we're going to get a vote soon. Exactly. This is the time to tell them Super Skrull. And he's being all vague and evil. Well, he's being vague because it's for the audience to be like, oh, is he talking about Super Skrull? That's why he's talking about it. British Prime Minister just stands up and says, we need to streamline our chain of command, especially when at war, I nominate Gravic. Yeah, it's just like... It's like, what? You immediately jump to that and it's like, what the fuck is going on? Then one of them rightly points out, oh, you're like a traitor. You like set this up ahead of time. It's like, well, yeah, because that came out of fucking nowhere. It's just, this is happening now. And then the guy says, I'm the commander of NATO. I can mobilize a million troops at the snap of it. And then they hit him, like a slap him or something. I forget. This scene is so fucking cringe. They hit him in the throat. You just go, blah, blah, blah. He's the most powerful person in that room, probably. If you're the commander of NATO, then you have like an insane amount of say and sway over the largest assortment of armies that have ever been, you know, the military alliance in all human history. Because the God... Yeah, and the God is like looking to the British prime minister lady, what am I supposed to do next? Like what do you want me to do with him? Like the implication being like, do you want me to kill him? She's like, geez. Can you just, is that something you can do? I don't even... Weirdly, the Fox News allegory guy, he's just smiling at it. I don't know, like this should be pretty haunting, right? The showing any descent gets you possibly killed. That's probably not fun. He's got a big smile on his face. I don't know how you can operate like a form of government like this, like the way the council is supposed to work. Like no wonder y'all suck. This doesn't make any sense. How have you, how your barbarians? They never portray governments or anything like their logical, like this scene could have been a good scene. And like, you could imagine all the parts, all the parts are here for this to be a good scene, but they just botch every opportunity they have. And they make it seem like there's no way you guys could have been in charge of all this power. You're a bunch of idiots. This is the way you conduct business. Jill shots the guy in the neck all that power. So yeah, then they're like in all in favor, except this lady, I forget what her role is, but she's like, I fear you've forgotten our history. We didn't end up refugees because we were unwilling to wage wars because we were too willing and I don't submit. Basically saying no, like the other guy. And all he says to her is, that's fine. You know, you can leave. No, he says that if I had a hundred of you I'd take over this planet immediately. I was like, what? All she did is stand up to you. You need a hundred people to follow this thing. Isn't it a bit curious? The first guy that stood up to him, they had a guard attack him. And then when she stood up to him, it's like, you're cool. What's that about? Yeah, that is strange. Fucking annoying. Cause we don't see that character. She gives information to Talus, I think, in this episode. And then we don't see it till like the end. She's- The very end, yeah. So like what am I point is that Gravic legit let her go. He was just like, yeah, do whatever you want. It's like, she just said she's not in favor of you committing like war against the humans. Don't you think? Like that's a liability? Well yeah, cause the first thing she does after leaving is betray him. Exactly, that's what I mean. Like the Gravic- Go outside of the room. Is Gravic not the kind of general that would be like, well, one of the highest power scrolls in my command has said they're not interested in any of my plans and actively are interested in the opposite. You can go. Like, no, no. Just commit to the evil thing. You just said you're going to kill everyone on all the children. You may as well go the next step and kill her. I think that the entire thing, they're trying to make him sympathetic. They're trying to make the scroll sympathetic. Yeah. I absolutely think that their goal is to try and make him sympathetic. Yeah. They're awful at it. They're absolutely terrible at it, but I think that's the opposite. Like, see, you know, he's not all bad even though he wants to nuke Earth. Yeah, cause the entire point of this is the allegory of, well, you're not supposed to judge people all at the same time, just for the actions of a few. That's what they're going for. And I think they're even meant to make graphic. Cause you've got an entire monologue at the end in the final episode, which is from his side of the story. And that's meant to make you like him. Oh, really? I know. So it's just broke me. That's just pro tip for any writer. When you have your character massacre children, it gets really difficult, though whatever they're going to say next, to like them. It's like the killmonger thing that they do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. He wanted to kill children as well. That's what he said. Yeah, and then there was fucking video essays about how Killmonger was right. It's like, excuse me. Did you, were you not paying attention? I've been asking for years, why did Killmonger kill his girlfriend? Nobody's given me an answer for this. Nobody. It's so ridiculous. I mean, he betrayed Klaw as well and there's nothing clear on why he did that. Except for like, he used him as a bargaining chip, but you could just do that when he was alive anyway. It makes no sense. And Klaw, he's known him since he was a kid. He was practically like an uncle to him. There could have been a whole story there and they just kill him. And the girlfriend, I've never seen anyone bring this up. She bypassed the cameras in the museum. She was actually a part of their crew. And she wasn't just some random girl. She was a part of the crew. Yeah, yeah. Part of the job. And just kill her off like nothing. And then we're supposed to be, feel sorry for him in the very next scene. Right after he kills his girlfriend and Klaw, they go into the flashback with his dad. It's just like, which one, like commit. Either he's a crazy person or he's the sympathetic figure. And they're trying to do both. And this guy is Killmonger all over again. Trying to do both. Except the Killmonger didn't want to nuke the whole world. Yeah. Killmonger, Killmonger. Killmonger had standards, okay? He only wanted to kill the whites, which is technically less evil than wanting to kill the entire world. So. Oh my God, yeah. This guy is worse than Killmonger. Like that's when you've reached out to him. Well, it's like I mentioned, Loki just wants to tackle him. When you're worse than a guy named Killmonger, you're pretty bad probably. Oh man. So, yeah, she phones Talos immediately and says, Gravic has control of our people. You just like, so why, yeah, why did you let her go? I don't know. She's like just outside the building, betraying him. She dialed, started dialing as she was walking out of that room. That sounds stupid. It'd be so funny if he walks out of the building while she's talking to Talos. He's like, who are you calling? And she's like, nobody's fine. Just, I'm just, you know, my dolls are picking her up from football practice or something. Don't you worry about it. So one of the things that really confused me was the element. So with this girl council, you have Skrounsel, and at the Skrounsel, Gravic gets, he comes in and they say, you've done a very, very, very, very bad thing. You have to be punished. And he said, no, I'm starting a war on earth. And they're like, okay, you should be in charge then. Yep. And then one of the people, and then if you have someone on the council who doesn't agree with the rest of the council, they get, I assume, normally killed. So why not just have a dictator? If, what's the point of that? What's the council part? If anyone disagrees, they get killed. You know, obviously it's something that doesn't get explored in the show, but how did each member of this council come to be? How were they elected in terms of, are they elected? Is this a representative? I think we're supposed to believe. A girl nation, like a constitutional republic or something, like they have representatives. I don't even think they were just, the elder Skrulls that just talked to each other about their plans. That's probably what it was when Talos, because remember, this is the group Talos was a part of and he got kicked out of, voted out of, I guess. But he was a general enough. Well, because that's how the show begins, right? He says that they booed me off the council. Why is that? Too nice. It's too sympathetic to humanity. That idiot. We should be nice to the people whose planet we are invading. The elder Skrulls. Elder Skrulls. Although I got it, the Elder Skrulls oblivious. Doesn't Amelia Clark look like, he's like possibly like 16 here? Yeah, mom taught me to meet and at the dentist I didn't want to go to. He's so tiny. Do you think they got a really small chair to try and make it look big? And then they got her big tracks on, well, that's. Oh yeah, spoilers. It's funny, because if anyone. Mom, because we see a dentist that didn't have the N64 in the waiting room. Yeah. It would be a funny joke, actually, if they did have like an N64 or a GameCube sitting out there. Hey, man, that's, if you're going to take me to the dentist, take me to whichever one had the N64 in the waiting room, okay? Oh yeah. I'm going to have you fucking around with my teeth and let me, at least let me race around Mario Kart for a while before my doom. So this part is really weird and super important. Gravitt comes back and everyone's cheering. Oh my God, yeah, this is great. I guess he told them that we're going to war and they're all really happy about that. They're all really happy, which is, again, that's like, oh damn, so the civilians here are chill with this? Wow. Everyone's on the hook. All of them, all on board with this. They never explained why they're so on board with them. Like they never, there's never a scene to really show, like what leadership ability you had or anything. It's just, Woohoo, I clap for war, yeah. Yeah, war. Woo, we sure do love war and I love war. War is great. God, if only we could have some more war. Yeah. We ran out of war the other day. Isn't it kind of fascinating when you, again, think about the history. The history was that the scrolls were basically being hunted to extinction by the Kree and then Captain Marvel and Nick Fury. And I guess you could say humanity were like the ones that were willing to help you out. And what is the payment for that is death. Yeah. That's crazy. None of the fucking... Humanity helped you. They helped you when nobody else would. Yeah, that's true because they say that you went to all the other planets and you didn't find shit. So we're just, oh, so bullshit. You're lying. A fury broke his promise. Well, no, that matters. Fury broke his promise to all the people who were unbeknownst to any of this, who didn't make a promise that they broke. All of them should die. I need that scene where Talos arrives at nowhere and he says, could you guys help us? I have refugees that need a home and they just go, no. Well, no, you cried and we'll be like, yeah, sure, buddy. No, he says, no. He says, no. Because remember, Talos said he checked all the planets and no results, nothing. Right, no results, including Thanos' garden planet. Yeah, but that one, it was... When they killed Thanos, his blood seeped into the core and destroyed the planet, so. Ruin the soil, he salted the earth. Yeah, that's the one that everybody points to. It was an empty garden planet. It was a beautiful garden planet that nobody lived on. That's the level of retconning, though. It could be like mentioned, they specifically call it Thanos' gardening planet or something and then they're like, why can't we go there? And then they say, no, remember, remember the earth got salted? It flashes back to Rody just salting the earth for no reason at all. You have Promo just walking around salting. You remember that joke of the Simpsons? Yes, the flat... Did you have to salt the earth afterward? So nothing would ever grow again? It's fucking great. So anyway, they're all cheering and then the guy is like, those two over there look sus. I'm gonna follow them. And it's like one or two rooms and then we enter into extremely experimental, secret science project that she's not allowed to see right now, apparently. They just leave that desk over there and it's just no one ever... It's so funny, she just follows them through like one corridor and then secret room. And it's like, oh my God, you're discovering something crazy. It's like, what? She's standing in the orchid as well. Like, you can't see no one. Look at this shot. You have to appreciate it. You have to show us the house. You have to show us the shot. We're seeing her right now, looking at there, but it's like, so if any of them turn around, you're fucked. I was like, just hope they don't, I guess. And then she's like, oh no, see? Look how secret that is. It's like, from a point of view, it'd be so fucking easy to, like, they showed this to try and be like, see, you wouldn't be able to see it. It was like, no, you fucking can. And also, you know, like, you could just like, transform it to somebody who isn't you so that if they do catch you, they wouldn't know it was you. Yep. You know? They just don't... But it's still gotta be Amelia Clark so that we know who she is, even though she should not want anybody to know who she is if they do see her. Yeah, I wouldn't want to fuck that up. It's so funny. Look at that shot. You just want a scientist to be like, excuse me. She's like, what? You can't see me. I can't see you, so you can't see me. You're a squirrel, right? You're a squirrel, right? Because you can't be in here, but that's marginally better. Dumb as fuck. But this will be very important going forward. Don't you worry. We'll come back to it. Perhaps the most important thing to happen on Earth ever. So, as a result of this all being blamed on America. Interesting looking person. We have a report that says the 27 EU heads of state, including the British Prime Minister, are asking America to answer for this. To answer for what? No American citizens going to a different country to... Blow something up. This is absurd. I'm just trying to understand. It's like, they're terrorists. They're not like American soldiers. We're not with them. That's why they had to do this without our help. Also, they're not with us. Also, we'll help you bring them to justice. Also, you can't trust any of this information because nanotech veils and scrolls and shape-shifting. Little fairy woman who can shape-shift. We're not forgetting that she-hulk. You can't just have her for a funny reason and then forget about it completely. It's not allowed. The scene begins with Colonel. Are you denying two of your citizens were present in the attacks? And he says, I'm aware of allegations. And as private citizens, they are welcome to travel countries. I'm happy to have the photos analyzed at Langley, which, by the way, is possibly the most reasonable line of dialogue in the entire series. That was, like, a good answer. Because there's nothing you can trust for sources of information when it comes to, like, a recording in this universe. Neither is there a problem with people visiting places. That's not illegal, as far as I know. Yeah, the fact that he said, we'll have them analyzed if you want. And the response, by the way, is, like, some of the country's representatives just go, ugh. It's like, what? What do you expect him to say? Yes, it was us. We blew up Russia. Like, what? The scene is fucking crazy. Yeah, and then he says, if Slovakia rolls its eyes at me one more time, I'm gonna put on the suit and carpet bomb it. If Slovakia rolls their eyes. Yeah, the country of Slovakia, the representative name that you would probably know, right? It's just weird, because that's not something you should probably say in the scenario. It's really bad. It's just that the way that he's referring to a person as a country reminds me of that South Park episode where the alien guy came to Earth and they found a bunch of space cash in his ship. And then Randy's on the phone with all of the representatives of all the countries around the world and he'd just say, like, shut up, Finland, or, like, will you listen to me, you know, India? It's such a, like, it's funny in that instance, but wouldn't he know his name, you know? You're just like, oh, yeah, if Slovakia rolls its eyes, what is that? Like, what is this? Yeah, and he just says, we're not gonna do it. Like, America's not doing anything until you have evidence. They're just like, oh, it's just funny to me that he was dragged out there just to say, do you have evidence? That was it. In this little meeting, look at the little assemblage of countries that they have. Do you have, like, Slovakia, Pakistan, Italy, and, like, what about, like, what is strange? Like, who, look, look, who the fuck cares what Pakistan thinks about anything? Like, how come we have, like, Denmark over there that, okay, we have France and some of the big ones, but, like, it's kind of weird that Pakistan just, like, over there, you know? What's strange about it, I guess, is that it's like, It's a weird combo. Yeah, because what do they say there was, they said in total there was 27. And so we have, like, named, there's about eight. Seems a bit odd, but fine. I guess they're the ones that are allowed to speak. No one else is. Yeah, do we have, so we have Germany there. That's good. Do you have, I guess, the big three, France, UK, Germany. There's Denmark on the left. So I feel like we should have these really filled out with a lot. Like, what about, like, Japan? You know, China, South Korea, like, like American ally, like really strong, staunch American allies and other NATO countries. Is Pakistan a NATO? Is Pakistan a NATO? Okay, it does. Okay, Pakistan is a NATO, okay. There you go. The more you know. Where's Australia? Australia's not part of NATO. NATO's global part. It says here that we have, well, Pakistan is, well, it says that it says here that NATO has a number of, quote unquote, partners across the globe, which the alliance cooperates with on an individual basis. Australia's not in NATO. Australia's part of, like, other treaties and alliances, but we're not in NATO. Pakistan's not in NATO either. I thought it said that, but it meant partners across the globe. Well, remember, North Atlantic, so it's Europe and North America. So surely if Pakistan's here, you'd have, like, Australia there, and, you know. So, I'm not, like, talking with the list of countries that are in this scene. It's more so just that this scene is, like, pointless. It's just, like, more or less sad. They just brought Rodeo over and it's like, oh, do you have evidence? They wasted his time. Well, I guess that's the end of the conversation, man. Like, what's the point of it? So, Lavakia was just happy that he was invited someplace. He's like, oh, wait, I get to go to a meeting. But the scene is like, oh, we believe that America is evil now because of this one thing. And we all- Hey, we'll get there. There's a lie there for God's sake. That was really, really funny, so. Cause we're about to get the Fury-Rodeo meeting, which is horrible and cringe. With some of the best Adi-R that I've ever seen in a Marvel production. Yeah, hopefully I'll be able to play that as well, cause it's pretty bad. So, yeah. Fury meets up with Rodeo. And remember, Fury is right now thought to be the one that has detonated the bomber, or at least the through negligence caused it, as well as just being off the grid, he was AWOL, as they said. So- That is an argument. That is a conclusion that's already absurd. Well, but it's enough that they should be, they're gonna take him in, obviously. Oh, of course. Of course, they have to. There's no way they're gonna let him go. But of course, he leaves this place pretty easily, even though he's an old, sad, useless Fury. And if anything, if that last scene has anything to indicate, this is an incredibly tense geopolitical situation right now. You know, like, you gotta take him in. So- If they figure out that you just fired him, and didn't arrest him- Yeah, imagine if they found out, it's like, oh my God, you're harboring like a once in a fugitive. Rodeo starts with like, you're lucky I'm not handing you over to a Siberian retirement facility. As if to imply that he vaguely believes, but the problem here, by the way, is you can't trust anything that Rodeo is, you know, we're gonna have to kind of talk about that now, I guess. Everything he says is suspect. It's kind of what I'm getting at. Of course. You get the reveal at the end of the next episode, I think, right? That's when you hear the voice, so that's the full, well, not necessarily the most explicit, but at least that would be explicit. So, whatever. We don't need to dance around it. I'm saying, is the, Skrull is a Rodeo. It's- Rodeo is a Rodeo. I think- Skrull is a Rodeo. Which everybody expected, it was not a surprise at all. It was kind of sad to think about because when crafting this show and looking at all the current characters, it was like, I think people theorized like, what would be the most interesting yet least impactful? But even then, you know, it would be about exactly when you choose, which we will talk about, but not yet. We're just gonna go with the fact that he is currently a Skrull. And so everything he says, you have to think about it from a perspective of he's trying to subvert fury and work for graphic. But kind of like, you know what I mean? Like judging the dialogue, it's equally confusing as it is shit. In any case, he's doing that disrespect shit, and then fury is like, you forgetting your rank here, Colonel? That's the thing I was saying earlier, that I was confused. I would have thought already, Colonel was higher rank than fury anyway. But I thought he was even higher than that now. And the fury doesn't even have a rank. So, you know- This is what I mean. It's just like, you forget, your rank is like, isn't he, he's a higher rank than you? What the fuck? Yeah, and Rody says, I'm the last friend you got. And he says, he was trying to stop the attack. And then Rody says, well, good job. 2000 set to triple when they clear the rubble. You've not only set the stage for World War three, you flipped all of our allies to Team Russia. Because that's a thing you can do. What? It doesn't make any fucking sense at all. You know how much we love Russia? It's not a thing. It's so funny that it's just a foregone conclusion that everyone believes America did this. It's like, no. It's just something people are claiming. That guy who worked for America against Russia, which is, why, it just doesn't make any fucking sense. But yes, that's the state of the world. That's what they want us to believe is happening. And in this, doesn't he admit that he was told years ago that scrolls exist? Yep. So, fury should be like, well, if they think that America did it, why don't you just tell them it was the scrolls? Because it was. Again, we say this, like, there's so many reasons to think it could have been anything. We've got tech, there's loads of tech that can make this happen that's not even scrolls. It's so weird that they just assume that's the case. And yet... So I was saying, this is something that they should have been accounting for way back when they had the Black Widow veil thing. Like if you have that type of technology, then that's just as dangerous as a scroll, you know? But it seems like they're not prepared for this at all. Well, I mean, it was in Civil War. Remember in Civil War when someone didn't even use, he didn't even use the same tech. That was like prosthetics. And that caused a huge international incident. And that was 10 years ago in this timeline. You can't... Just make up. Yeah. And that was something that, like, at this point has to be known. It was the case that the British soldier was framed. So, like, how can they believe anything? Why does this show keep forgetting the world that it's set in? Easy. Yeah, that's so ridiculous. They should be so on guard for that specific thing, like that type of... Yeah, so they just ignore it completely. So, yeah, it's on the point of 15 years that he's been aware of them, which, by the way, Fury takes pretty easily. He's just like, hmm, wow. Yeah. And he says the Pentagon were made aware of several light ships crashing to Earth 15 years ago. Wow. The thing about this is, that would have been something that Fury, like, that wouldn't be happening with the Talos scrolls. That must have been the million that Talos smuggled in, right? And so you're telling me the Pentagon knew about those, but Fury didn't. Fury, when Shield still existed 15 years ago on the timeline, didn't know. Really? He didn't know about that, but that Rody found out about it, and didn't tell anyone. And didn't tell Fury, yeah. And then it all cascades. It's like, wait, Rody's known that scrolls, shape-shifting aliens have been on Earth for 15 years. So every single encounter he's ever had with any suspicious activity in any of these stories, he's never entertained the idea it could be scrolls. And he didn't tell anybody. And he did. You tell Tony. How can he not tell Tony? He would definitely tell Tony. That's the first person he would tell. Spies for who, is it, right? Oh, no, man. They just have, they have no interest in the scrolls. It's crazy. If that's the case, that might well have been on the files, right? They got leaked in Winter Soldier, because that would have been before Winter Soldier. The scrolls would have landed on Earth. Or rather, if Rody knew that 15 years ago, then that means Shield could have known and it would have been on their files. And then everybody would have found that. And everyone would know. Maybe we should call it. Oh, here it is, all right. So this is... Hydra would have known by that extension, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you gotta play the ADR. You gotta do it. Yeah, I'll play this once. There's a copyright. You never know what's gonna happen. But basically, Rody's about to say maybe we should call our friends. And this is what Fury says in response. Just give me a sec. I'll let you guys know when it's over, because Chat got to see this. Maybe we should call our friends. No, no, no, no, no, no, we can't. Now I'm gonna pause. Just, I'm cutting in half for safety. All Fury said is, no, no, no. Here we go. All right, listen up. Here we go. This is it. Ain't jumped a gun on that. We get them in a fight with the scrolls and the next thing you know, they find themselves duplicated. Catch that, Chat. It's some of those blatant chopping it of audio that clearly wasn't there before ever. The line for those who couldn't listen for whatever reason. He says, no, no, no, no, we can't jump the gun on bringing in the Avengers. We get them in a fight with the scrolls and the next thing you know, they, and then it hard cuts into him saying, fan themselves, duplicated and turned into terrorists. Which it's, that's bizarre and confusing and not a good reason not to bring them. Yeah, so my theory and I totally fucking felt like it was confirmed when we get to a certain line in episode five because this was done in post so episode five wasn't and episode five matches what I think was supposed to be said in the scene, which is, no, no, no, no, no, we can't jump the gun on that. If we get them being the Avengers in a fight with the scrolls and next thing you know, they, he was cut off into a different line but I think the original would have been like, that's going to make the situation worse. It's going to have all kinds of powerful people doing all kinds of powerful things. It's going to, everything will get out of control. You know, we don't want, we want to control this. That's probably what it was originally, which makes no fucking sense at all. And they probably realized that. And so then they recorded the new line of him saying, you don't want to find the Avengers duplicated and then turned into terrorists. It's like, but what does that mean? Like, duplicated, Captain Marvel? And then you can't, well, we're not there yet, Rags. So he couldn't have meant that. Well, no, I mean like duplicated, like in terms of like, if a scroll, I would imagine as somebody, I don't know, duplicates like Sam and then, I don't know, pretends to be Captain America, Falcon, you know, going around, doing crazy, which they can already do anyway. I can already do that because all they need to do is like see like a video or something, a video recording of that. That's funny. You're going that way. I actually, when I said they can already do that, I meant that technology allows them to do what scrolls can do to the Avengers. They can do that anyway. So it's absolutely insane nonsense. That doesn't make any sense. And again, if the scrolls win, it's the end of the world. So, you know, you know, it might be worth it to take a risk here. This is kind of like a classic moment. It's so like almost naked, the way that they've done this, like the writers. It's like that first reason that I theorized was the thing was crap. And they realized that their second reason is even worse, I would say. That makes even less sense. They come up with a third reason in the penultimate episode. We talked about it a bit earlier. He says this is personal. This is his fight. That's what they give us the final reason. But my theory is he said that it would be too, like it would cause too much trouble to bring them in now. The stakes, like they get pretty serious by the time we hit the penultimate episode. And so that wouldn't work anymore. And so they had that bonus reason of this is personal. This is my fight. But then in the finale, he contradicts all of them. Well, I was gonna say, then they ADR this scene, but they didn't change that later episode five one. So now it's, we can't bring them in because they'd be duplicated. And then he's asked again. And then he says, well, this is personal. It's like, no, you said they can't be duplicated. Or was that bullshit, you know? That first time it was just a lie. Just for you are correct. That's all gonna get subverted because of what happens at the end. Yes. Yeah, like every single one of them. And that was the stupid thing. Like episode five ends with him going, like giving his reason. And then the first thing he does in the next episode is break it. You're right. Yeah. Oh, it's, it's, it's nothing but why? If they can't have the Avengers in because they'll turn into them, why do they need the machine to turn them into them in the first place? So we can have even more? Why must you ask these difficult questions? Like, because he had the DNA and everything. He could have just put it on his finger or something presumably and just transformed into it. So how amazing that this is just something they could do period? Yeah, the whole Groot arm thing. You can just, Hey, wait, wait, lay off, all right. Like, yeah, we're not, we're not a Gallador yet. Good God, the most shocking things are still yet to come. This is what I mean by the way, we've got this far. This show is absolute ass that is going to get worse. What's funny about the legs though is we're not too far away from being done with episode two. And that will actually put us at the halfway point because the first two are double the size. Yeah, we're not doing too bad. So yeah, he says like basically, Rody, help me fight my scroll wall. And he's like, no. And then he says, are you forgetting who helped you get your seat at the table? Which I was a little confused by. I had no idea Fury had anything to do with Rody's rise to Colonel. I had no clue that that was the thing that happened. I thought there were separate entities until the Avenger stuff. Like, but I guess apparently Fury helped Rody get to where he is. And so Rody says, oh, so I owe you now? And then Fury says, we owe each other. Men who look like us don't get promoted because of who our daddies know. Every ounce of power we wrestle from the vice grip of mediocre Alexander Peirces who run this world was earned in blood. So let's make the power mean something. Help a brother out. Pretty cringy. Wow, yeah, that's a. How do they explain Obama? Do you think that like sometimes they, they just, there's the no teeth argument again because it's like, why don't you just say what you were saying? He says men who look like us, I mean, do you mean black men? And then when you say Alexander Peirce, you mean white men. It's, yeah, it's so fucked up the way they try to twist it. And it's like, I'm just sitting there like, what am I supposed to take from this? Like if you're going to be that mask off, just like actually, you know, just say it, yeah. Because they, especially when you find out that Fury didn't do any of his own actions anyway. And he all, he was the oldest one else. And he's trying to prove Rody's not a black man right now. He's someone else. He's a green man. He's saying it's so fucking awkward. Like, oh my God, that's so true. And then someone that kind of just annoys me. I don't know if you guys remember who Alexander Peirce is. Villain from Winter Soldier, the Robert Redford played him. That's a character who Fury had a lot of respect for. They have a huge history. They work together. They, like the idea that he's now referring to him as the mediocre Alexander Peirce. It's like, no, you would hate him. You wouldn't go like, he's mediocre. It's like you'd hate what happened, but respect that. Like it doesn't represent at all the relationship that Fury had with him. That was like a super important one that. Yeah, he would only have strong opinions on this. He wouldn't have like a, oh yeah, he was just a middling guy. It would have been, he really liked him before. And now he really dislikes him. And I don't buy the. I mean, it's a neutral reaction. I don't buy that he would think that Alexander Peirce got to where he was because he was white. I don't think that is something that Fury would have. Like they had, they fought in like wars together. Like I don't buy that that's something he thought. Yeah, it's very reductive. At all history. Or show that's supposed to be intelligent. Super cringy and like, I don't know what, like, like Helper brother out. He's talking about war. He's not in a Barber show. No, just not in a Helper brother out. Oh, we're talking about this war. He's not in a Barber show. No, just not in a Helper brother out. Like seriously, like this is a serious conversation, but they treat it so childishly. And I just, I might like, I just raised one eyebrow to this scene. I'm just, what are you? Yeah, it was bizarre. It was, it's such a. Oh, go ahead sir. Just that like, it kind of, it's made worse by the fact that Rody's response I think is actually pretty good, but you're supposed to retroactively look at it as like a bad line because he's a, he's a scroll. Yeah, if he wasn't a scroll, then he would have sided with him. Yeah, I think that's what we're supposed to take from it. Cause he says the world is on the line and we don't wrestle power away from mediocre men who don't look like us just to give it to people who do, like who are mediocre and do look like us. Which I was like, that's a good line. Like in response to the shitty line of just we're both black, therefore we work together. He's like, yeah, but you're shit. It's like, well. It's like, you're old shit bag. Crap at your job. So fuck off. And it's like, yeah. But then yeah, Rody's evil. So nevermind. Evil Rody's the only one who makes sense. Like, this is crazy man. Yeah. And then he just, he goes into saying that you're fired, which was, I didn't even, like I said, I didn't even know who Fury's fucking working for. I don't know what Fury's rank is. I don't know what's going on, but he says Fury's fired now. And then Fury's response, instead of appreciating how insane this scenario is, that he's being framed, that he knows that Skrulls are trying to take over the will, that World War III is imminent, and that his friend, who right now that he assumes, I assume, is a human, just said like, you know, I don't trust you and I'm firing you. This is actually existential for what I would consider a Fury character to deal with, losing all of his power and network connections, right? That's actually something that's going to affect him. Not to the point of making him depressed, but certainly to the point to worry him. His response is, they said you to fire me. Which just, it's like, what the fuck? Like the, he's like second only to the president, isn't he? He's pretty high up. Third. Rody, if Rody is Secretary of State, is that what it is? Yeah. He's number three. Yeah, it's President of Vice President, Secretary of State. Oh, because he said that the president doesn't know anything unless I- Yeah, in the show they presented as though Rody's basically the president at this point. He uses him as a puppet. Yeah, we can't expect white people to be able to run anything. Wrestle the power away from those mediocre Alexander pieces. That's what we gotta do. But yeah, I just thought it was a bizarre reaction that instead of being like, holy fuck, this has gotten really bad. He's like, lol, you're like, shut up little bro, idiot. Like, okay, that seems weird on Fury's part. The master tactician man. And yeah, I think he says like nobody's, when he said they sent you to fire me, he says nobody sent me, I volunteered, which I feel like is one of those lines where you could have just said nobody sent me, right? That would have been enough. Yeah. There's always opportunities to shave that they don't take. And he says the mess you created killed Maria Hill, so you've earned all of this, which again, it's just like, so now what, so Rody does believe all of that shit happened, even though he was the one presenting all the arguments to why it's probably absolute bullshit. Okay. Why not? Unless he's doing it to annoy Fury, I don't know. He says you earned all of this smoke, brother. I'm like, I can't stand this script. Yeah. I was like, please. Oh well, that's the evil Rody speech. And then they're supposed to take him away, by the way, but Fury, I think like breaks this guy's hand and takes his gun. And for some reason that means he's allowed to go free now, instead of it meaning all the other gods should come in and capture him. Yeah, like, you can't let him leave, especially after he's just attacked you. Well, if you think about it, you can't let him leave from a Colonel Rhodes point of view. You certainly can't let him leave from a Gravic Scroll point of view. And so it was like, what's going on here? How does Fury get out of this? He just walks out. I don't know, he just does. He's like, okay, okay then. It's like one of the one scenes where he actually has some agency, but it doesn't even make sense for him to have agency in this scene. Like this is the one time, like, you know, it's crazy how they do this. If you're, because he says like, and you wonder why you're out. And then he says, I'm Dick Fury, even when I'm out, I'm in. And then he goes outside and cries on the bench. Well, this is like, I thought the line was crap anyway, but then yes, he goes and cries. And then they double it up. It's his best of the series. Best of the series, maybe, sure, I don't know. But he doesn't do anything else. That doesn't bitch it in his own. The only other badass thing he does is walk out of a crypt. I'd like that on the entire series. It's just so much pressure. God damn it, I'm so tough. Wow. It doesn't collapse with his head and his knees with the end of the thing. How would you, wait, so at this point, he doesn't actually know that Rowdy is a scrawl, right? No. I thought he did, like, so this is the thing. He said, he knows who is and who isn't a scrawl based on just the fact that someone wouldn't call him Nick. Rowdy calls him Nick in the scene. So the show is telling me Fury knows, but he doesn't behave like Fury knows. No, he doesn't. Okay, now I'm confused. Even Rowdy acts like he should have known from that because when they're in the hospital later, he says something when he's, like, crowting him and he goes, yeah, Nick. So he emphasizes it as if I did it deliberately kind of thing. Yeah, it's all over the place because Fury would be doing a lot of different things if he knew Rowdy was a scrawl right now. He needs to tell everyone, first of all. Even when he's talking to the British woman about it, when he tells her it's Rowdy, he even takes a pic. He's like, how did you not know? You say, I'm slow. So he implies that he knew immediately. Also, someone's just said something that I must check. I actually said I wouldn't mind getting these scripts for all films that have Nick Fury in them or even references to it. Actually, all of the films at the MCU and just control F and Nick because I have a feeling that they made that up. And I don't think, you know, considering how they approach basically everything. Well, that was what, when everyone was saying he's a scrawl, that was their justification that nobody calls him Nick. So. You know what, that would be a cool thing to look up because I can see them screwing that up, like one of the movies probably, you know. So someone in chat just tell me, it's in the Infinity War script. So I just control after you've got Fury says, same energy signatures as New York. Hill says 10 times bigger. Fury says, call Klein, we'll meet him at, and then Hill says, Nick. Oh, no. Oh, over. And then a few seconds later, she gets his attention because she's dusting and she says Nick again. Oh, okay. That's, that's pretty bad. Like this. Yeah. That's not even that long ago. No. In that specific movie. And you, Yeah, they reference the fucking scene. I would have to watch that scene in order to get that clip. Yeah, I can't believe. Wow. At this point, this is just vibes, right? This image. That's just how we feel them. Yeah. This is actually me. That's literally me right now. Just like, what is this show? How do you, how do you watch the scene to retcon it, but you don't pay attention to the, that's, that's, that's my mother. Well, when you write down the Nick thing, you're like, oh, we should, we should check. Just control it. That's what I mean. It's so easy. We should check to see if that's not a lie. You found that within the stream while we're live. I never, like I said, I never checked. I just put out the idea that someone did. Someone controlled me. They would never be that stupid. You would automatically assume, yeah, they would have to check. Right? There's no way they would lie so brazenly about something that would be so easy to double check and verify. It is $200 million show. They wouldn't just not do that. I think the retcon, you know, that's a lie, the Nick Fury part, but maybe they're just stupid. They just didn't like, they forgot the other part of the scene. I don't know what happened there. And it's funny too, because if they were right at this, they're like, what would be a name someone might call him that definitely hasn't been used in other films. And then someone's like, Nick, like shit. That sounds like something that might have been used. Like, nah, it's fine. You should have gone with Nickalicious. Nobody would have called him that before. Nickalicious. And he's like, nobody calls me Nickalicious. No one calls me Nick with a hard R. But it nailed it, but oh well. And yes, he does wheeze and cry. It's okay though. He needs a moment. He's just depressed. He's alive. He's depressed. That's actually true. Yeah, you're right. It's actually the fuck. Now the plaque on that bench is going to read. It was here. It was on this day. That's a 2000 or whatever. That Nick Fury fucking cried like a baby. We dedicate this to his cheers. So Olivia Coleman, we're back with her. And she walks in and the guy's like, wait, that door is locked. And she says, what does that tell you about me and doors? That means she's saying that she can unlock doors? I thought it means that locked doors don't stop her, just in general. Like she doesn't care if it's locked or not. She doesn't care. Well, because the other thing I thought was, maybe that's her way of saying, I'm allowed in here, you idiot sort of thing. Like that she unlocked it because she had a key for it because this is a place she's heading to. They wait for her as well, right? They show you a break in the door from memory. I like she doesn't even pick it. She just pushes it like harder. And it opens. All it shows you is that it's a crap door, basically. But he's like, who are you? And then she says above your pay grade. Where is he? And he looks over because that guy who got captured, who worked for America, or the Skrull, sorry. Yeah, this is kind of confusing. The Skrull who took the identity of the guy who worked for America against the Russia people, he's been captured by MI6. And she is here to torture him herself, which is interesting, but sure, I guess, if she's good at it, I don't see. All right, yeah. Why not? Why not? Maybe he just loves what she does. It doesn't work a day in her life. This is something that maybe we can have some agreements or disagreements on, but I could see it going one of two ways for people. It did actually end up going a good way for me. I really enjoyed her performance in this. She felt like different and fun. And I strictly give it to Olivia Coleman. It's nothing to do with anything else. I'm so familiar with her and other stuff now that I'm just like, oh, you have all of these dreary, lame, depressed assholes. And then she'll cover the room and just be like, she sees a bunch of men torturing a guy and she just goes, I'm taking over and smiles at them. And it's like, she's very refreshing as a character in this story, because like you said, everybody else is a lame, boring loser. And she's just sort of this, this sort of wild card in the mix. Like a person, like a personality. Well, one of the, one of the keys to it, I would argue is that the plot prevents a lot of people from doing anything, but she actually has stuff that she needs to do to make the plot move forward. And so she gets to do competent things. It's crazy. Yeah, she, it's kind of funny when you put it that way. Like the plot allows her to actually be competent. Well, it has to. Because the entire thing was building up to her. Yeah, exactly. Replacing Flurry. Yeah. That's what I was saying, how like she was basically doing everything that Nick would normally be doing in terms of like just the tactics and how skillful and witty she was in all these conversations. She did great. So this guy, I want everyone to take a good look. They described this guy they need information from, okay? And she's been sent in to do torture. Though the torturer currently says to Olivia Coleman, I've thrown everything at him. And he hasn't said a word. What are you going to do? You see this guy? He doesn't look like he's, he looks like he's had some, I don't like some moth face on Adam. He's been hit. Yeah. Compared to how bad it could get in terms of getting tortured. Well, if Apple know from our coverage of things, this is like a weird thing that happens in all kinds of movies where a torturer just for some reason only knows how to punch or slap. They never know for anything that's more like terrifying instantly like amputation of a limb or waterboarding or any of those kinds of things. It's always punching. Is it waterboarding? Doesn't even like hurt, hurt or damage you. It's a psychological thing. It's a psychological thing. That's a lot of those. But then I guess you got something like Luther Weapon, where they like electroshock's Mel Gibson. So Joe, Joe in the last of us, I love that torture scene. Yeah. Get the job done. Oh, dude, it's reminded me of the sound it makes. What do you call that? That crunch, that crunch. I like seeing like, that looks like someone who wants to get answers now. None of this, like I'm going to slap you 30 times. Like, yeah, that was much better. Yeah. Was it the Joker who said you don't go for the face first because it makes them, like a big numb to everything else because they're all confused. So don't go and punch them in the face in the first place. And then, and then I punched them in the head and he goes, see? Because he couldn't feel that because he's disoriented. It's good shit. But yeah, so she comes in, she just says, where's the escape hatch? And the guy's like, well, there. Then he's like, why do you want to know that? She's like, oh, just a hunch. It's just like, I guess that's good to know. If ever, always know where your exits are. Something I literally said about fury was that's something that he would always be aware of. So it's just like, that's good. Now your exit. And then she said, easy way or hard way? And the guy said, I'm going to break out of these chains and kill you. But she says, hard way. And cuts off his finger straight away. I love it. And then it's like, wow, OK. Like, it's just she just gets straight to the point, essentially. Yeah. And I'm doing the whole, like, kindly, sort of motherly, you know, grandma person who's just just here to do some stuff. She's like, off comes the finger. It's just like, yeah, she knows it. This is fun. Yeah. And then she's like, well, the really interesting part to me is that she says this confirms you're a Skrull. And it's like, she did not even fully under knowing if he was a Skrull. She's just like, oh, fuck it. This will work. It's like, yeah. Where the hell is this bid? The whole series. Now it's time to have the conversation about identifying walls. If you can amputate some portion of that person and then it reverts back to a Skrull form, then it's really, really, really easy to find out if people are Skrulls. Just like, get them to prick their finger with a needle and then see what happens to the blood. If it turns purple. Ask them to pull out a strand of hair and if it disappears into nothing, well, they're a Skrull. Basically, like, it's really, really easy to test for it and nobody does it. It's easy and it's interesting. But what is the easiest one? Because we know from, like, the Blood Splatter, especially at the end, it turns blue immediately before it hits the wall. Well, it's not even so. It's funny you point that out because that's a continuity error. The guy in episode one who gets shot, he's a Skrull and the blood is actually red when it splatters on the wall. Yeah, at the end of episode six, with certain character, it's instantly purple. Yeah, but still, the blood one works because as soon as it gets separated from the body, it seems to immediately, that's how you do it. So it's easy to test, but the show doesn't understand that. It doesn't realize that that's the case, which is cataclysmic. This is disastrous for every character. Well, it's funny. The thing is, the thing is more obtrusive. You need to, you need to get the blood and then you need to, like, actually damage it in some way. You know, like, it's actually harder. I said it was even easier for them, but they still don't do it. Yeah. I said in one of my reviews, this is like watching Memento. None of the characters remember what happened, like, five seconds ago. Like, everything is just a first discovery in every scene, which is why now she can learn, oh, I can detect scrolls and, like, I'm just completely forget it as if it never happened because it was never written. So this is this is a disaster, basically, for the whole show because now that now that this is a thing that's proven to work, you could just do this all the time. Every single time that you meet someone, you haven't seen them before. It's like, all right, pull out a strand of your hair or use an aid or prick your blood and, like, and get some blood out there and let's see every single scene, every time that you meet someone for the first time again. To the point where it almost becomes like, like, you can even make a joke of it where every time someone shows up, they have to wait from to do the thing and like, maybe some of the characters like roll their eyes because they know they're going to do it, but they're like, how they they get the tweezers out or hand them some tweezers and they pluck a hair out of their arms. A lot of people in chat are saying the thing rolls. It's it's it's worse than that because, again, with the thing, you've got to actually threaten to damage the entity that is the blood here. You don't need to, like, set up a thing and then and then get it really hot and then apply it to the blood. You don't even need to do that. No, you see to see it so much easier and they still are crazy. It's pointless to take out a little hair. That's it. Yeah, I'm genuinely curious. What does Skrull here do when you cut it up? Amelia's got a whole it has to disappear, right? It has to disappear. It's not attached to them anymore. So it's got to whatever the change is. It's not like they don't care about these things. Well, it's got to be a piece of them, surely. So it's got to be like, maybe they'd have a bit less of an ear or something. You could. Well, so this is the thing. When you've got people you don't even care about or people that is a life or death situation, there are things you can chop off that people aren't going to mind too much. And they're like, you could probably pull out a nail. I mean, it's going to suck. Don't pull it out. Just clip it. You know, as long as the nail is long enough, you can clip it. Yeah. I mean, why did the original torture not do that just like as standard practice? Well, I guess the thing is, is that they were trying to figure out like why he did it. They didn't even think that he was a Skrull, right? They were just trying to maybe that was what I mean. Just as a standard part of like interrogation, surely that would be one of the first things you do. There should be standard practice at this point. It should be. They just want to punch you like both of things. Actually, you know, like both of things that would actually make like permanent bottling damage is as that's like scary, right? For like the ones I you threaten to move someone's eye. It's over. They're giving you that information. You punch them 30 times. You might still have some time. It's like it's almost like a challenge for being like that. When you're punching someone for information, they're almost like, oh, this is my challenge. I can do this. I can take it. When you threaten to take an eye, yeah, they're like, there's no coming back. I lose that. It's gone forever. So I was like in those scenes where they're holding out for ages and then they're like, I'm going to take your eye and he doesn't say anything. Then he takes the eye and then they give them the information. What if you just 10 seconds? You could have saved your own eye. Yeah, they would be they screw up the scenes in both directions. Yeah, they're not always good. Thank you, Joel. That's one of the good ones that I'm going to reference. No, we cut over to good old Gaia who's looking at a screen because she's investigating that weird machine she saw. And we see something we really don't want to see. This is how we're going to be introducing it to the wonderful audience at home, okay? On the screen, we got Groot, Frostbeast and Cull Obsidian. Now, for those who don't remember, Cull Obsidian is the big chongus who worked for Thanos. And in his image, he even just has his arm or hand, whatever, like the thing that got chopped off by a long. So what are these doing here? Great question. We'll find out later. They're on the computer for now. Very strange. What are they doing? It's funny because Frostbeast, I just like the idea that they categorized the creature that was icy and from Yachtyver's just fucking Frostbeast. It's like, I don't know, whatever, fuck you. Yeah, and Gravic's like, what are you doing? She's like, oh, just looking at people doing things. She's trying to figure out his evil plan. And of course, you know, that's the spark she can get for now. And then Gravic does some more good writing. He says, I remember when you first came to me, Gaia, you were the daughter of a failed general. I thought to myself, what kind of a man would send his daughter to do what he wouldn't? But then I realized that kind of coward doesn't have it in him. Our man on the inside is located Brogan when they got kidnapped. So we're gonna go to him now. It's just like, fuck, there's no elegance at all, is there? It's just thunk, thunk, thunk, next thing. Yeah, just clunks along. Anyway, back to Olivia Coleman and her amazing torture techniques. After she's chopped off his finger, he's like, I'll never talk. And then she says, everyone talks when their blood boils, the smart ones talk earlier. And I was just like, okay, that's pretty good, yeah. Then he says, put it in my arm. I don't care. So she stabs him in the ass, which I thought was kind of funny. Just, you know, he was expecting the cool arm syringe, but now he's got something in his butt, which men don't like that when you torture them, okay? Well, maybe some of them do, actually. I don't wanna say. Wouldn't wanna cover too, too broad of a spectrum there, but yeah, his blood starts to boil. That was a pretty good idea from her. Does no one else know about this? Torturers everywhere would probably want this device, because apparently it just gives them searing agony, and it doesn't even have permanent damage, which is pretty useful. Or maybe it doesn't, I guess I don't know. Yeah, they didn't address that. I was kind of curious. I think we're, I'm pretty sure that there was a scene in 24 where they use something similar, like some sort of thing that enters a bloodstream and makes it like incredibly painful just throughout somebody's body. So, yeah, he gives the information up, or some information, the information he gives is that a machine is being made to make scrolls better and that the scientist involves, surname is Dalton. He gives her all of that, and then she's like, thank you, and goes down the little hatch. Again, she needs some other information for the story to continue, but the scene itself in isolation is like actually okay, because she tortures someone properly. You just don't see that much anymore because they're not allowed to. In fact, I think I was surprised when she chopped his finger off. I was like, oh. Not just for the intelligence of it, but also the gore factor because a lot of the time they'll just go off-screen. Got away. Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Then he goes back to being real piss again. So you got a freezer with like three guys standing outside of it, and then about three meters away, you have a guy in the front of the store. Grab it, comes through the door, and look at this shit. He opens it a little bit so that he can hold the bell so it won't make a noise. Like, as if this is actually gonna maintain some stealth, shoots the guy at the front desk who falls over, and the guys who are three meters away don't hear a thing. The- No, I'm pretty sure they shoot through the glass first before they open the door with the bell. Oh, really? That's even worse. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I remember commenting on it. Yeah, because they- You know, broken windows don't make noise, though. No, that's right, me. There's even more sounds. They just don't notice anything. And it's so funny because they shoot this to try and avoid showing you just how clear it is, but then there's a shot after they've thrown the grenade, I think, that really lets you see it. Yeah, there. But they were standing there, planning all of this after having killed someone. That's where someone and someone else were. Like, how the fuck do you think this is a secret? Also, I think that flashbang is gonna fuck you up too, guys. It might be in the next thing over, but that's gonna- He's literally staring at it. Yeah, he's just looking right at it. So, yeah, you're probably not gonna be hearing anything for a while, and you might be temporarily just completely dazed visually. Then they have a shitty action fight where they just fucking kill everybody. Go to shitty, yeah. No one shoots anyone except the people who need to do- It's all the usual. The shooting, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Gaia runs off in the middle of this to go and tell, I guess, like, the police where the safe house is, which is where they'll be heading next. So that happens. And then they collect their guy, and they're like, what did you tell him? And he's like, nothing, just lies. They maybe think like, why didn't he tell her lies? You know when your information is they're building a machine and it's run by Dalton? You could have said they're building a weapon, like a gun, and there's a Smith there they're going back and forth with who's called, you know, fucking Luba. You could have made a normal name. But what I'm getting at is that it's just lie with the truth. You know what truth that she's after. You can just use different names and items. It throws her off completely. But he doesn't- You know, you'd be like, yeah, but he's under great pain. He's like, yeah, but she'll not know the difference. She can't know the difference. Impossible. You don't have a lie detector. She's a person. But lucky he did tell her the truth, I guess. But, yeah, Gravix is doing mean faces. It's like, uh-oh, you're gonna kill him probably. And on their way back, they see that the police have gotten to their safe house, which I thought was really funny. It's like, did you tell them to just instantly raid it? Usually the police wait before doing something like that with a safe house in order to, you know, get the people. So, yeah, I don't know what, it almost seems like she did this. It was this thing I was trying to talk about. There's some films that are so fucking shittily written that you end up thinking, if you're paying attention, like, wait, is she a triple agent? Because she's like, oh, I'm definitely working for Talos and Fury, right? And I'm sabotaging them by giving away their safe house. And it's like, yeah, I guess you can tell them that, but you gave it away so early that they weren't gonna get captured with it. You do that on purpose? Could have given it away just as, well, it told them to wait until everyone goes in, right? And then you capture everyone and the war's over. These are all the leaders. But I guess she didn't think about that or she's a triple agent. Like I said, pay more attention and then you start to think of different stories being told. Yeah, her whole, it was kind of confusing to get it to see. You know, she's gonna be good in the end, but you can't really like get a grasp on what she's trying to do with side she's on. And they're like, how do they find the safe house? And they assume it's information that Mr. Brogan in the middle there gave up. And as a result, they execute him. Which is like, what does Gaia think about that first, considering she just got him killed? What does everyone think about that? This guy's missing a finger and his blood's all fucked up. And you're like, oh no, but you did tell him. So, you know, we gotta kill you. Like why? Because it's only punishment, right? You're not, you're just punishing him for talking after he had his finger cut off and his blood turned to acid. Like why would you, I mean, all you're doing is you're basically just saying to everyone, like first off the camaraderie aspect of, oh, we're just gonna kill our own people now if they talk when they're being tortured. It's like, okay, so what if this is me? What if any of us get tortured? Oh, we might as well just fucking tell them everything anyway and save yourself the trouble of resisting. It's the reason why we often complain about the bad guy killing our own men trope. It's like, what is, yeah, what is to stop the person from thinking, oh shit, that could be me next. What am I even doing here? Why would I even wanna help you? You know, you could betray me at any moment. Which is used by the way as part of a growing sentiment of mistrust and ravic that'll have a payoff. But like I said, the other thing that's going on in this scene is like, oh, look how sad Gaia is because the information she gave is gonna get this guy killed now. And that does get brought up next episode really quickly. There's not much to say about it and then never again. I just think it's always, obviously, missed opportunities, but also just like, why would I give a shit about this character? You don't. Well, yeah, and because they didn't care, like, why did they even bring him into the woods in the first place? Just shooting where he was. They already knew he was a Skrull. So it's not as if you're hiding the fact he's a Skrull from them. You literally brought him all the way out into the forest to kill him, bury him in a hole. Well, at least they didn't eat him like the half-foot's would. It was savages. Yeah, and then the episode ends with Fury visiting his Skrull wife, which is just like, what? A lot of new invented history for Nick Fury. Yeah, if you haven't noticed, the show keeps doing this. It's just like, this was a thing the whole time. I say the show, all of Marvel does this. And like, good God has it had an effect at this point. We've been kind of talking about it, but just like people have lost interest in Marvel's so hard recently. I feel like this goes further than other things though, because even if you were like, okay, maybe they just want to destroy Fury as a character now. It's like, no, that's not enough. We have to go back throughout all of his entire life and destroy every single moment of it. Every shred of the man's history and legacy. Like they went through. That's why I was so shocked by how, like this takes the amount of effort they put into destroying characters. If they put that into the other aspects of the script, they could actually do great things because they, it's crazy how much they went for everything. And so when you're going to get worse, they'll go back and just flat out re-edit old shit so that I can fit with the new shit. So, they're already doing that now. Already doing that now. It's crazy. And yeah, episode three is 15 minutes shorter. Like, damn. Oh God, a mercy. Well, I guess we'll start moving probably a little faster now through these, but we're on three. We're only at five hours, everyone. I think the last one is 36 minutes. Yeah, that's, Salem's commented about why he did it. He was like, well, we thought it dragged a little bit and we wanted to increase the pace and build up to a big explosive moments at the end. Like that was in articles today. Why did he keep, he needs to stop talking. Yeah, he says he needs to stop talking. He said the other day that had to do with like the fact that Secret Invasion is the lowest rated Marvel production ever. And it was just this massive cope essentially about the ratings. Stop it. It's like, what's his name? The Jeff Loveness. It's like, oh, yeah, I was really bummed out that everybody didn't like Ant-Man. But then I went to the theater and everybody was laughing. And it's like, no, Murdoch is funny. What? Like, you're allowed to cope and see them private. It's okay. Like. So we begin next episode with a little scene for our wonderful Bravix men. The new guy, that guy we mentioned before, he's on his first mission and he says, do you think bringing chaos is gonna work? And then they say, why did you join? I know, right? There's something wrong with this whole thing. I always wonder if I should read it all out or go bit by bit. But do you think bringing chaos is gonna work? And they say, why did you join? He says, because I don't want our people to keep running. And then he says, no, you joined the same reason I did. Faith in the future and faith is built on risk. Faith is built on risk. No, faith isn't built on anything. That's the word. Well, and also just, he said, like, do you think chaos is gonna work? And the guy's response is, it's cool to have risks. It doesn't answer his question. It's like, do you think it will work? I've already understood that it's a risk. I'm asking you, do you think it'll work? I hate this dialogue. So crap. They're just talking at each other. Yeah. There's not even, yeah, there's no processing going on. So these three are going to the Royal Navy and they're gonna take the, you know, the personas of three people that I guess they've stolen the information of and have kidnapped, you know, I have to assume otherwise it wouldn't make much sense. And they arrive, this is so fucking stupid. They're like right next to the place that he says, right, now it's time to change. They're here and they change it to their, oh fuck. As they roll out. Why does this guy always wear the fucking hat? I don't know. I think it's to help us remember who he is. He's always wearing the hat of a nanotech, like, cause their clothes are all like nanotech, right? Including, I guess, hats. Yes. Hopefully we went there. He always, he's always wearing the hat. Like the hat's a part of his skin. No. They're all not changing. Well, so that's the fun question, right? It's like, so can you copy someone's appearance but then like alternate outfits? The answer has to be yes, right? Because we see that. With Gaia, she has a few outfits. So I guess you can. And if he just really likes clothes. Wait, what if, well, unless those are clothes, clothes. No, they can't. No, they, I don't think they can be. Every time you see a scroll, they always, they can always like change their clothes as well. It's like nanotech. But why can't, so does that mean they're like always cold and stuff? Like they're, like they feel like it? Maybe it's, it's, well, I mean, the nanotech can be like a physical thing, right? It's like a physical like hat and a physical jacket and things like that. So they can change their molecular structure to be that of clothes. Well, if you took the hat off him, theoretically it wouldn't remove. And if you stabbed it, it wouldn't hurt him. We have no idea. Yeah, I was about to say no clue, but I'm pretty sure that they would just be like, shut up. It works the way it works cause shut up. But no way it makes sense now. So Gravic explains what we're seeing here, which is that they're gonna execute an attack on key United Nations targets or a target. The heroes of Earth are gonna react. And the only counter we have is to become super ourselves. We no longer change faces. We change powers, all of us, super scrolls. Humans will start a war and while they fight, we're gonna break their backs. Super scrolls, that name. Yeah, well, you know. Super scrolls on the Skrull Council. In Skrullos. New Skrullos. In Skrullos. In Skrullos. No, it just doesn't work. Oh my God. But I just, it's so, and then storytelling we've been over it before, but like suddenly, it's like what's happening this episode? Cause like this hasn't been built up. It's like three of them are going undercover into the Royal Navy to shoot a missile at some target that's important to then cause World War Three to happen. And while that's happening, we're gonna run a scientific experiment to give ourselves Avengers powers to then kill the rest of the humans. He ends this speech by saying, I invite you to join me in the extinction of the human race. There's so many parts of that that are just absolutely what the fuck are you talking about? And, you know, power creep is a thing. Uh, well, I mean, is it even power creep at this point? It's like power bound to power leap power. Yeah, what do you even call this? This would be used as examples in future, I think of the worst kind of power creep where you don't know what to do anymore. How do you beat Captain Marvel? Well, I have an idea. It's like, oh. Well, it's like everything else though. It's good you go from the fate of one planet to the universe to the entire multiverse. There was no build up there. Oh, well, maybe we're just destroying a part of it. It's literally all or nothing at every point. Oh, so yeah, that's the plan. We've already been over all the different ways it would fall apart every time. The government, some governments are aware that this shit is even happening. Like, like the British government, which is the, they're using the British government to fire this time. So, like, imagine a checks and balances involved in, by the way, their target I'm pretty sure is like a UN summit or something, like some conference with all the UN leaders in it or like a ship or a boat or an island. I'll remember when I get it, but it's the kind of thing that's just like, how could that missile ever be fucking launched? I just, I could never buy it. You'd need so many, there'd be so many people. We'll get there, it's fine. We'll go over it when we get to the actual sub and stuff. They never like phone back. Are you sure? Are you sure? So, Fury and his GF. Oh, after I skip past the 10 hour intro, of course. I'm gonna be doing that. This is like showing how it works. He would meet up with his scrolls relatively secretly and then they'd hand him information about different people and this one she says is about Draykov and it's gonna fuck him up. And she's like, man, okay, that's just how that works. And it's time to think like, wait a minute, does this mean, and you'll get an answer to that question later as to, Fury's involvement as a spy in general. I wonder what it was. And so then he asks her, because this is a scroll he recognizes in terms of personality, but not in face. And so he says, who's the woman you've taken? And then she says, that depends on where this goes. Meaning, she doesn't wanna tell him if they're gonna hook up. And then he says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's a rule for like commanders and agents. And she says, that doesn't apply to us because our unit doesn't exist. So I don't technically work for you. Okay, that's not how, with that works at all. That's just an awful set of lines. Like first of all, if someone told, if I said to a girl like, where did you get that face from? And they said, well, if I'm gonna sleep with you, I'd rather you don't know. I was like, what? What? Catchy. She's crazy in the sack. Because remember, she only reveals where she gets this face from in like episode four, I think. Which means we're talking decades later. Yeah, way later. She never told him where this is from. And then of course, on top of that, saying like, well, power dynamics, I'm in control of everything. And I'm the reason that you're gonna be able to have a home. So probably not the greatest idea to start sleeping with each other. Other than she just says, yeah, but our unit doesn't officially exist. It's like. Oh, a necklace. I don't officially give a fuck. I feel like, you know what I mean? It's just like, gosh, that's awful. Who wrote you? Why did they do this? What's wrong with them? You gotta wonder, right? Like, when they write that down, do they look at that and go, yeah, that's coherent? Yeah, that makes sense. They probably say like, yeah, but they're in love. You're like, all right. Excuse me. Why did you just say that? Why did you say all the other stuff? This makes it really fucking weird. So, yeah, that's obviously a past scene. And then we get to go to the present where we'll have some questions as an audience member. Like, who the fuck is this? And when did you decide this was what was happening? What the hell's going on? And the first thing she said, or one of the first things is, dare I ask, what must have happened to bring you back to me since you've been gone for years? And again, it's like, fucking hell. Man, again, they're doubling, like abandon the scrolls, abandon his wife, just every box they could check. It's crazy. And what would his reason for doing it even be? Like, if he is just depressed to be alive and that's why he ran away, why would he dump his wife? Yeah, wouldn't he be here? This looks like a place of comfort, but instead he's in space, like, explain. Saber is more comfortable than home with his beloved wife. Apparently. This show has a serious problem with trying to justify how sweet, cute, and awesome and passionate their relationship is while simultaneously arguing he never fucking talks to her. Yeah, it's like, what, we're missing something here. I don't buy it. Is she just insane? Like, I don't get it. Well, because she says, I've never harbored any illusions about you going away, but staying away, that leaves a mark. But, so you're cool with him just leaving you regularly, I guess. Like, yeah, what is this check, like? Oh man, this is a real, this is a real keeper. She's a simp, man. This is setting up that he hurt her so much that she went to cause the apocalypse. Yeah. So, it comes out of nowhere. It's crazy how many of these instances are like, oh, I have a personal agreement, therefore all of humanity must die. Seriously, it's crazy. Woman, moment. It's, cause he just says to her, you've been in touch with Gravick while I was gone, who've you become while I was gone? And suddenly it's like, oh shit, are you, wait, if she works for Gravick, is this like a, could she shoot you? Like, what's, what do we, it's like everything's chill, but it's like you work for Gravick, the guy was trying to destroy the world. Hello? Like, it feels such like a weird scene because they're just doing lovey-dovey husband and wife shit while talking about like, oh yeah, you work for a guy who wants to nuke everyone. How about that? Weird. Yeah, cause he definitely knows at this point as you find out in the next scene. So. But then she complains to him about how fucked up it was that he got blipped. Bit weird. And then he got- 50-50 chance. He came back and then she was like, I thought we'd heal together, but then you just ran off to your spaceship. And we're just sitting like, what the fuck? It was. What is this? When did this happen? You're lying. Who is this woman? What's the spaceship? What's going on? And he won't say anything. Like everyone keeps telling him he's fucking shit and he never has a reply. So it's like, okay, I guess he's shit. There's nothing else- Does he agree? I guess, yeah. And like, yeah, I've got a note that says, so apparently he's a failure of a husband to a wife that didn't exist five seconds ago. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Good to know. Maybe like that sometime. They invent these people. They invent these people just to make sure they have someone that he fucked over. It's crazy. Well, it's just, you know, we're not gonna get it all again. The big criticism of Fury as a character in the show was invented in the show. Yeah. All of it. Pardon me for not seeing that, you know, coming. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. The absolute wiping of his history, which we're getting closer and closer to. It's not gonna be fun. Yeah. That scene. You got it like, yeah, you need to have the dialogue ready for that one, because it's so thick. Oh, yeah, yeah. So she gets a ring on her phone, she picks it up and answers it, and then just goes like, mm-hmm. And then she says, I don't have that information at hand right now. And then it hangs up, and he's like, who are you talking to? It's like, obviously the bad guys. Why would she talk like that if it was the normal person? Besides, who else did she fucking know? Oh, I just thought that was dumb as fuck. It's like, Fury, just fuck off. So then we get this really awful scene. Didn't want to shock you with that, but I just have to lay these truth bombs every once in a while. Yeah, it's controversial. That's you, you and your controversy. Look at this cinematography, though. Look at that light. Wow, they thought that was cool. Is that CGI light? Probably. CGI God raise. It kind of looks a little bit like CGI God raise, but who knows? Maybe I'm just so jaded. A little bit. I can't even trust the light. It lights the only thing I can see. God damn it. So I got real confused. Because, like I said, Brogan, the agent from the previous episode, got executed because they assumed he gave away the secret hideout, right? Because they weren't going to kill him. And then they're like, oh, wait, we will. Because, yeah, he clearly, he clearly blabbed and that the drama would, of course, be that she kind of gave that away. And now it didn't get them anything except a dead person, which is now on her hands, that sort of stuff. But then Gravick walks in the room, sits down and says, Brogan didn't even know where our hideout was. So how did they know? And it's like, so it's like, wait, why'd you kill him? Like, what? I actually have no idea. Why did you kill him? And then, do you know what she says? Well, he made an educated guess. Like, educated guess on a safe house? Either you know or you don't. You don't guess a safe house, surely. Like, but Gravick buys this and he says, is that what you would do? And she said, no, I would lie. Because I'm good at lying. It was definitely Brogan, and he's weaker than you thought. Well, I'm convinced. I get it all. It is such an unconvinced, yeah. But she's basically telling him what she's doing right now. So it'd be like, are you lying to me now? Because I'm asking you a question. She's like, well, I'm a great liar. So would you really know? Would you say that? Well, I don't know if we're supposed to think that he does think she's a traitor at this point. But later in the episode, he figures it out because of the submarine shit. So I was like, so if not for that, would he still have believed she was chill after this awful attempt? Like, how did he know something he didn't know? He guessed. Yeah, okay. That's great. I got shit. You didn't betray me though, right? She's like, no. Also, I'm very good at lying. Great stuff. So if you ask me if I'm loyal to you, I may be loyal. I like that guy. Unfortunately, Jay Longbone has to leave us. We got through just six hours. That's like barely an episode, but I guess, you know, some people do have to sleep or eat or et cetera. But of course, thank you so much for hanging out with us. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Nice to meet you, Jay. Nice to meet you as well. Before you leave though, why don't you tell people where you're at, what you're up to? All right. I just posted a reaction for that trailer. That's out pretty soon. I'm going to have you out. You're cutting out, literally, only the important parts. You're like, you've got two things out, but we didn't want the trailer reaction to help. Okay, can you hear me now? Yeah, you're good. Yes. Like I said, I just posted a trailer reaction for that new Exorcist movie. Got it. Got Exorcist movie. Got it. Yeah, Exorcist movie. New Exorcist movie. Hit it out. No, we did. New Exorcist movie. I don't know why it suddenly, like... Four hours are good, I know. Okay, well, whatever. I got a barbie coming out pretty soon. Sweet, awesome. Barbie and Exorcist. You're going to go after the kid's doll. Wow, what's wrong with you? Wow. Okay, well, link in the description. I imagine most people know who you are at this point on eFap, but again, thanks for joining us. And I'll catch you around. Yeah, thank you. Bye, guys. Goodbye. See you later. Toodaloo. Right then. Let us continue. We're already closing in, we're a third through the episode already because these are so much smaller. Isn't that great? Massively. And there's some scenes where like that one, for example, that's all that happened. That's all there is to talk about. That's it. It's really quick because the writers, they're just so expedient. You know, it's great. They know exactly what they're doing. You're efficient and skilled. They deserve to be paid more for their work. She is... Yeah, she's driving Gravic. Gravic says the UN plane will be at Neptune's coordinates, flight 819, 2200 hours. He says that, that's the full target, right in front of her. And so she's able to relay it to Talos, right? It was gonna be a criticism. And I was sure this was fake. Well, so it's crazy. This layers, right? So first layer, I thought was criticism. Why is he stupid enough to say this in front of her instead of just on his own just in case she's a mole, right? Then I was like, oh, wait. What if she's a scrawl? Maybe he's doing that on purpose to find out if she's a mole. It's like, ah, because the information was, okay, yeah, yeah. Then I was like, but wait, why wouldn't you just feed her fake information? See if that goes through the pipeline so it actually protects your actual goal of completing this mission. Yeah. Because you might have a lot of other failure points in your big new scrawl house operation, right? That might not in any way be related to her. So you're a dumb ass. Yes. I don't think he works like that. I was like, you're a dumb ass. No, wait, no, definitely, yeah. No, you are. You could tell different people like different point parts of the plan that were all wrong and whichever one leaks, you find out who it is. Season two, Tyrion. He did that exact thing with three people and you can pinpoint who leaked the information because you give three different people a part of the truth, but then you make sure a part of it is not true. And then you can actually pinpoint who's the liar, but this guy's an idiot. Or is he? Fucking Christ. So he's having his meeting with good ol' Elos, Alos, to Lumbo. Elos. And he says, it's remarkable, isn't it? Gathering up, he's looking at the painting, the statesman of World War I, and he says, gathering up all these men for big painting. I mean, it just sums up the difference between soldiers and statesmen. One lot spends the war posing for pictures and the other lot does the killing and dying, which my God, when I heard that, I was like, this is, I've never heard this point of view before. It's like a 12-year-old wrote this. Incredible. Like, you must, I wonder if he's seen something from as much as fucking 50, 60, 70, 80, you know, just like everything that's ever happened in media as a point of view. You gonna do anything interesting with it? No. Says that, the choice between having my story in ink and oil paint versus blood, I choose blood all day. I choose blood all day. Doesn't that sound like shit, though? When you're giving a speech, too. It is literally us, yes. It's like he rehearsed this beforehand. He rehearsed it. Yeah, definitely. This was a speech. That's the thing, if Talos said something like that, it might save the scene, but he, all he says back is like, yeah, your blood and everyone else's. And he just says, yeah. If it was like, why doesn't any character cut down graphic in a way that would, like, because I bet you if you did say, like, wow, you know, like, that was a fucking mouthful. Like, you know, just any, any amount of like criticizing how like performative this is, that kind of thing would piss him off. Yeah, like, did you want me to think you just stumbled on these thoughts just now? Is that what you like, really, dude? Olivia, what's her name? Olivia. She would have said something. She would have roasted this guy for that cringe line. Like, what are you fucking talking about, bro? No, but the thing is, there are war species. So they would all think exactly the same thing. It's you've got the Klingons. They'd be far more like them as if, yeah, we'd all agree with you for that kind of thing. None of us want to be sort of just in the back room doing dealings. I don't think you'd have. I don't think you'd even have a concept of people doing what he's complaining about. That's why I'm saying I can't get a grasp of this character. Like, I can, I can believe a graphic like figure could emerge in the situation, but you have to justify it. He's just a madman. It's just, well, I mean, what do we do? They're not capable of writing any of the stuff they've bitten off. It's just like, we only really talk about it with the She-Hulk stuff, right? It's like, oh, you're going to do a law procedural without knowing anything about the law. It's like, ha, ha, la, la, la. It's like, well, that's just the same for all these writers for all these projects. Like, what do you know about? I was about to say anything, but it's like, that's mean, but, you know. No, like, the example you made of, like, what She-Hokes, like, people are going to lose interest immediately when they realize that they don't know a damn thing about law. Like, you know, the people who went into that for a court show. Yeah, but it's supposed to be funny. It's ridiculous. This is the thing for me. Like, anyone who's an alien fan, who's a fan of sci-fi and alien invasions, knows that you can do a lot of things with that concept, especially shapeshifters, and they do fuck all with all of it. Every interesting thing they could use, they have no interest in it. And that's, it's so clear. Makes you wonder if they're like, you know, before they made it, it's like, let's rewatch something like Invasion of the Body Snatchers because they'll wear those inspirations on their sleeve scenery. But then you actually watch the story and there's none of that inspiration in the story itself. That's because they've heard of Invasion. They've heard of Invasion, yeah. They've heard it. It's like, do your job. Like, even if it's not really something you're passionate about, you're not a big sci-fi guy. Watch three of the classic movies that have this concept in it and see what works and see what doesn't. Instead, they just slap their shit together. It's crazy. All this money, they're pissing away. So he has a chat with little Ben Mendelssohn. It could have been a great scene if you think about it right. Could have. These two have a huge history. They both scrolls that ended up in the situation have completely different points of view on what to do. But I have boiled it down to just a couple of quotes because nothing else happens in the scene. Basically, he's like, stop murdering innocent people. Simple as that. Just stop doing the innocent people killing thing. Then Gravick's like, do you know why they put me in charge instead of you? And there's like a gap. And then he's like, guy is in the car. You want to say hello? And then Talos is like, you better be careful. And already it's like, so we were about to do something. They're like, don't kill innocent people. He doesn't address it. Instead talks about how they put him in charge instead of you. He kicked you out. Well, the answer is, I guess we're supposed to imagine what the answer to that is based on things. And then he's like, by the way, guy is in the car. And he's like, how dare you say that? Talon gets in guy's car, but mate. My daughter's name out your mouth. Literally, yeah. Cause obviously the Gravicks is like doing a threat. He's like, she's right there. I could kill her, I guess. And he's like, you better not threaten that. I find that weird as a dynamic because it makes sense to us. Cause we know what's going on with the double agent and stuff, but for these two, it doesn't. Gravic isn't sure about that yet. And as far as he knows, she's betrayed her father. You know what I mean? Like the line doesn't quite, like what Talon should be doing is like, yeah, she's chosen her path, you know? That sort of attitude, even if he's pretending, but whatever. And then Gravic says, you should be grateful I haven't killed her. And so he goes to strangle Gravic and then everyone turns into Gravic. And it's just like, what the fuck is going on? Well, I thought that that even from the trailer was meant to be like, you don't actually know I'm me. So even if you kill me, I could actually be one of the other people. And this is just kind of someone in person. That would be more fun. So you're just turns out he's the right one anyway. And they had to rehearse this, too. Gravic had to say, OK, OK, guys. So if you like grabs me or threatens me in any way, I want you. See, guys, they would have had. I need you to all stand up and then turn into me. This is what I'm so great at. That's ridiculous. Hope you guys get to see his face. Wait, this doesn't even make any sense, because he says later on why he chose this body. But if they need the DNA of the body to turn into them, does he just like keep some lying around to give to all the people? Can you copy a scroll that's done? You have to look at them, right? You just look at the person. Yeah, if you want their memories, you have to touch them. But then they could just turn into the Avengers whenever they want. So it has to be the day. Again, that was something that was retarded when they brought it up. Like, oh, no, for the Avengers here, they can turn it. I was like, they can turn into them anyway. Shut up. Oh, I thought they at least needed the DNA. I thought they'd wreck on it. It's just it's all shit. That's that's the safe bet every time. And in multiple scenes as well, it's been drawn attention to the fact that he always puts a ton of sugar in everything he drinks. And I expected that to be a plot point. Just never mentioned. Nope. Yeah, I actually hadn't brought it up because it doesn't go anywhere. But I should have brought it up just to say it doesn't go anywhere. He keeps pouring loads of sugar in his coffees and teas or whatever the fuck he's drinking. And they even comment on it. Yeah, how much he's doing. Yeah, I don't know what that is. He's hyperactive. He has lots of sugar. I thought it was going to be something that like the scrolls needed or something. There's going to be some type of scientific reveal, but no, no sugar. Got sweet tooth. Yeah, that's it. It's it's this. We don't have this on our planet. Oh, my God, this is so good. Oh, I see why you're all fucking fat. And I'm taking that that they did. There's no sugar on scroll, Bill, where the fuck they come from. And like, I would have taken that, but instead they did nothing with it. So. Graphics says all these miscreants, meaning humans know is murder. Look at how they treat each other. We're going to murder them all. And it's like, we already know that he asked you why like stop in it. He said, stop innocent killing people. And then you just said, we're going to kill them all. What is with the riot every time? It's like, hello, at least we're not barbaric like humans. And then Tala says, you don't understand humans. They're at their most formidable when threatened by a common foe. And I was like, you know, like probably all I was about to say, isn't that just applicable to literally everything? Like whenever. Well, what a, you know, human and cycle comedy united. But the better thing to probably have said is you're going to lose because humans are really good at wiping out enemy species, like really good. And they're pretty advanced as of recently. Have you seen that Wakanda Forever film or the Quantamania film? They can go to different universes. They can travel in time. I don't think you're going to win. Honestly, they're going to fuck you up. We're pretty op at this point in the Marvel universe. They should. It's a real when they get the upper hand and they've captured all of you. What reason will they have not to literally fucking expel you into space? Like what would be the reason to? And then the graphic says, have you forgotten how we fight? Which I think I assume he means that they can shift. But I don't know. Yeah, infiltrate. But it's like, yeah, right. Humans have ways to subvert that. It's not going to be too difficult. As soon as we we can probably get devised goggles that'll show us who's a scroll. Reree William Tony can whip up next weekend. But they live glasses back from the dead. You mean why not? Yeah, they have every refraud that crap now. Yeah. But yeah, so obviously he's saying like they could remain like a secret. And then Towers says, you think I'm going to let you continue this fight under anonymity? I'm going to tell everyone and you'll lose the surprise. You'll be put down. I was just thinking like, what is it? No, well, there's that. But there's also if if Gravic thought it was a secret and that he's threatening to tell everyone, why wouldn't you just kill him here and now? Yeah. He doesn't because he wants to die. You just be giving him what he wants or something. Well, his response to tell us on that is you'll have exterminated the scrolls, which is like, I mean, well, you guys are trying to exterminate. Oh, nobody's having a chat here. It's just crap talking at each other. Yeah. And then he says, well, then you'll see the difference between us and you and then he says, and your daughter and then he stabs him. I think that they're just trying to make it so that whenever you mentioned Towers's daughter, he gets very mad and stabs people. Shockingly stupid. Yeah. Yeah. But if they were trying that, never used again, is it? No, they don't even really bank on their relationship. Well, they use it. Yeah, they use it. They do it. They do use it one more time, right? Oh, yeah, but that's different. That's a different reason for that. That's because he's worked something out. Yeah. And when I say bank, I mean, like, actually, like a good writer bank, not like a whatever the fuck they think they were doing in there. I think you're assuming you're talking about the bench scene, but I'm not sure. No, no, the missile guy, the missile guy. Yeah, but that's because he mentions that she's a double agent. So he realized it. It's not just that he mentioned the daughter. He realizes something might be that's also a thing for the whole mercy comment, but it's really dumb as fuck in that moment for other reasons. We'll get there. We're almost there, actually. Yeah, Gravix having a bad time, if you can tell from his face. Like, oh, that's so funny. It hurts. Oh, that noyfer. Shaddup. Oh. It gets worse when he removes it, though. He does it in like the most painful way possible. Yeah, I didn't do that. Well, he did it so that they can better show what extremis is, because if they did it just like that, it would be a little bit confusing. We tears it out for no good reason at all. And then is repaired with the stuff from Iron Man three. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we'll go with that. Why not? Yeah, it's the Iron Man son. And so that means that we saw in the computer they had Groot, Frostbeast and Caleb City. And apparently they have extremis, too. That means he probably has all four of those in him. That's that's a lot of genes. Yeah, it's a lot of powers. It's like, what can you even say about this? It's just like, that seems really stupid. That's a writing thing. Good luck trying to undo this. How do you balance that? You don't. Oh, we gave up on that a lot of time ago. Talking about balancing the fact that they can get any power they want essentially right now, extremis itself had balancing in Iron Man three. It was highly volatile. Like you could die from having extremis put in you if it was on like unstable levels, you have to take care of it. But this is just like, you just have it now, fuck off. No, at least they tried to account for it back then. It's crazy. Everything gets worse and worse. It's like, you know, this is pathetic. Oh, yeah, the only reason he doesn't see her like changes because a van pulls up in front of him like the entire story hinges on a van. Yeah, well, there's a lot of vans in this area. So it makes sense. It's funny, like I said, I thought that maybe they were trying to imply that he is suspecting her, but then not, but then is. But then, you know, I mean, yeah, and she will have trans she has to transform somewhere from crossing the road to being on the pavement when she's surrounded by human beings and she's just shapeshifted. Nobody noticed. It makes sense. Nobody would react to someone literally changing into a different human being right in front of them. That's pretty normal. Yeah, I don't know if you guys don't have anything. Yeah. Is there a single scene in the whole series of someone like getting caught in that way? No, no, the entire world doesn't know schools exist, apparently, even though there's a million of them doing it all. So Fury is talking to Talos in the little pub here. And he's like, you know, this yeah, this thing. He's like, you have the balls to ask me for help. And he says, I've got a lead on a rebel scroll high up in the government. And so to summarize this scene quickly, he says, OK, say help me, Talos, I'm useless without you and then I'll help you. And so he says, help me, Talos, I'm useless without you. He goes to leave. And then he's like, no, actually, I do need him that badly. I mean, the fury thing to do would be like, I'm not we're not playing games. This is about saving the world. Like, I don't care about your pride being wounded. Let's go. We've got work to do. Would you not save the world if I didn't say these words to you? Yeah, I think he'd compromise. I think he'd compromise and rephrase it. He'd say, help me, Talos, because I'm your friend and I need your help. Something like that, instead of actually saying I would like that. Yeah, I can't believe that. Like it's just a compromise, acknowledging your mistake. But like, come on, we got a history here. Stop fucking around like kind of like a mix of what you said. But the fact that he walked back and said the exact line that like it's over. It's over like Nick wouldn't do that. I'm sorry, Nick would keep some type of like, you know, dignity there and just. Yeah, but what if it's true? Well, that's interesting. Who knows, man, man. So they call Olivia Coleman to say that Neptune is a British sub and it's going to get taken over by Skrulls to launch a missile at a UN meeting. And for some reason, the writers had her say, well, I'm dealing with my own infiltration. As someone clearly gave up the information that I was in the butcher's shop. And so I've got to sort that out. My hands are tied. He's literally been told that the UN delegation is going to be nuked or whatever missile they're using, and it will cause World War Three and that graphic has infiltrated British command. All she says back is, I'm busy. Really weird, because the whole reason she's involved in any of this is because she wants to prevent the end of the world. Like crazy, I know. I know you guys are like, what? What kind of motivation is that? It's like, I know they threw that on her, I guess. But yeah, she's just too busy. She's got stuff to do. So never mind. I guess they could do it. You know, she says you guys can sort it out. I guess. Yeah, go ahead. So she gives the information of the guy they need to find who's in command of the whole thing, Robert Fairbanks. So off they go. And they have a little chat. Chat. The I think for this one will go the root of I'm just going to read the whole thing because sorry, this is going to hurt. Sorry, sorry, get ready. So he sees as a dog, a man and a dog, and he's like, I don't get dogs. Name me one interspecies relationship where one side cleans the other's shit, basically. And Fury's like, well, I cleaned up your shit for 30 years. And then he says, oh, that's rich. When I arrived in this is towers, by the way. When I arrived in 95, you were a benchwarming nobody in a dumpy field office in Shield. You didn't start ascending the ranks until 20 of us signed on as your invisible spy network. We fed you more dirt and intel than you could possibly have uncovered on your own in a lifetime. Every promotion you got was us. Every single terror attack you subverted was us. Every enemy you sabotaged and ally you were leveraged with dirt. No one else in the world had access to. We did that. You were smart. You're capable. But your life was more charmed once I came into it. And it was my pleasure. Just don't rewrite history. Just don't rewrite history. They had the nerve to say that line. So yeah, all retroactively. No, it wasn't a fury. You did all those things is because in this in this show, we gave him access to all these, you know, all this stuff. It wasn't actually Nick Fury. Fuck that guy. It's kind of incredible. They actually did have the balls to say, don't rewrite history in that speech. That that was the part that got me. Like, OK, you guys are coming for the jugular here with him. You want to shred his whole history now. But then you want to mention rewriting history when that's all you motherfuckers do like I couldn't. This this was the scene that just floored me in terms of you wrote this. You wrote this is not this. Yeah, it kind of hits you as a surprise because they already they kind of did this already in episode two with the beginning scene on the train where he was like, you know, you chained us into your fricking spies. We do only spy with you can kind of infer like, oh, shit. They've just said that like a lot of the works fury's done over the years. It's actually the scrolls and not himself. He's the super spy. Nick Fury is supposed to be the best spy in the universe. That sort of thing. It's like, oh, I guess some of the scrolls did something. And then this this scene comes in this like, no, no, no, no, no. Let me make it myself clear because clearly you're interpreting things that are inaccurate. We did everything, everything. You're like, oh, are you even here? He's just worthless completely. Every it was so perfectly crafted like every single word to make sure he's shredded. And then just the cherry on top at the end is shocking. Right, cons. Yeah, pretty extreme one here. And yeah, that just ruined. And yeah, was it by this point? I think that we had decided that it had been systematic. Essentially, the assassination of Nick Fury. By this point, every single thing that you could take from the story about him is gone. Like right here, it's done. It's over. All of his past accomplishments were never actually him. All the stuff that he's doing in the present. Well, he's being extremely stupid in all of those things, too. We are inventing new things for him that he can be bad for. So, yeah, it's like a three pronged attack temporarily of all of his, you know, failures throughout the timeline. Like Malar was saying, the scene in the train, you can. There's room for interpretation there. And maybe they could have did something with it. But now this scene, they're like, no, let's just crystallize this shit. Every single thing of his past is just like he gets no credit for it's crazy. And I say that's why you go ahead. That's why that's why this show annoyed me so much. And a lot of the other remakes and stuff. It's never really bothered me about the original. I've always been able to separate it. It's either a remake or it's there's been some gap. It's a new team coming in. But the fact that they got Samuel L. Jackson to destroy his own character, this destroyed Fury to me from out everything because this is there is no way you can separate this from the other movies will be like, oh, I'll just stop here because it's the same people doing it. You can't take any scene with him serious going forward. And all of his scenes in the past are now damaged. Like that cat thing like what that cat thing and Captain Marvel seems so tame now compared to oh, yeah, no, seriously. What do you mean? It's this is probably the most level humiliation. This would have to take the the award for like most explicit retcon probably ever because it's a character basically looking at the fucking camera saying this character you believe did X. I did it actually. Yeah. And I don't you dare pretend anything else? You're like, wow, OK. Like I don't know, like how do you qualify like top tier character assassination? Like, but like for me, Luke and Daenerys are still like my one and two. Like those are like that's where I look as like S tier. You just fucking shredded them. But there's got to be room for people like this where you're still alive. But you completely ruin this character. Every aspect of everything I thought was Nick Fury from his eye to his history to his accomplishments isn't true. It's the thing. The thing that I find interesting in terms of you pointing out those examples is in this case, it's like, dude, it feels like like it was systematic. Like it was it was this. It was almost like it was their goal. It was destroy every facet of Nick Fury. Every facet, his history, his motivation, his personal life place in this world, everything, everything they didn't listen to quickly. Yeah, it's really spiteful, too, right? Like you were a shitty desk, jockey, warmer, idiot, loser, shield agent until I came into your life. Like, well, and his wife throw that in there, too. He had his wife and the scrolls. I hope everybody couldn't get a list of things you could fuck up as a man and they just fucking like, how do we incorporate every every one of these and what you go after? If it's Nick Fury and you want to do the the hardest, like cruelest job ever is you make him a shit spy. And that's what they've done. They've wrecked on all of his spy antics is just crap that he got everyone else to do. If anything, he's just a manipulator now. And it's especially weird when they have that library highlights the weirdness of dating someone under his command that she's like, it's OK, though. And he's like, OK, like that, too. It's like, what do you mean? What are we doing? Invent a wife and make him a bad husband. Like it takes five seconds to do these things. Yeah, you and I, it was the other way. You invent a wife to which he was a bad husband. It's incredible. I think in the writer's room, when they were thinking of all the ways to tear him down, one of the guys said, oh, yeah, and we'll make him a bad husband, too. And then I was like, yeah, we just had to get my wife. Yeah, that right of a wife so he could be a shitty husband. I'm on a whiteboard, right? And it's like Nick Fury, why he sucks and just putting all of these new dot points down. They put more thought and passion into that than anything in the show. Like it was this clearly a goal. Like how many of this is episode three or something, right? I'm losing track at this point. It's hard not to feel like it was a goal when it's this systematic. I think it's especially going through it slowly. Like that was my thoughts watching it by myself, but going through it now, breaking it down. How quick, like I feel like we can prove it. I can be, there's going to be more reference. I guess the thing is, it's so awkward because it seems like what happens a lot of the time is like, yeah, we're going to knock him down, but we're going to build him back up. And then they forget about that second part. Like when he, not to skip ahead but the fucking gear up scene. I love my gear up scenes. I don't need a lot of context to appreciate a gear up scene, but that was, I feel nothing. I feel like, grab your coat, grab your gun, you're still a bum. It was like a parody. You're still a bum, yeah. That thing was in a separate box. I'll put on my boots to kick puppies with. I'll get my guns to shoot my wife. Play the music as well. They play the game. Yeah, the music you said they were playing. That's when, that's the one time I actually do remember it. So I was looking at that clip again. Yeah, I'm real proud of themselves, I think. For anyone wondering, there's no clap back. There's nothing from Fury. He just said, eventually Talos says, why are we stopped? And he says, because we're here, you know, to get Bob, to get the guy who's launching a nuclear attack, unless you want to heal more abuse at me. Which is so fucking pathetic on Fury's part. Confirms it. Yeah, confirms all of it. There's no reply whatsoever. He doesn't give us any room for another interpretation. He shuts his mouth like a good little boy and every single cut from the mother, Maria's mother to his wife, to Talos, to every situation where he can at least have some type of backbone. He's just a bitch crying on a bitch. Dude, it's like, it's kind of like in, in, in Quonsimania, when, you know, Scott points out that he saved the world and everybody just starts shitting on him and he just takes it. It's like, come on. What have you done to him, you fuck? You saved the world. Well, I mean, he's, oh, well, he's, the thing is that he understood it. He saved the universe. He didn't just save the world. He saved the universe. Nah, they're frustrating. They just shit on him for no reason, as if they've done something special and he doesn't defend himself. That's the worst part. They never defend themselves. They never, not, they never defend themselves. Dr. Strange is like, oh, you always have to have it your way or whatever the fuck that line was. And he just never defends himself or explains his thought process throughout the entire movie. They're always just these, like. He tells Wonder that she's justifiably angry, which is wrong. Oh my God. And then she claps back with a completely non-sequitur response and he just takes it. Yep. Yeah. That holds the game. Becks the question with this, what did he mean by I've been cleaning up your mess for all the decades then? Because it's sounding like he's just lied and that's something that never happened. Yeah. He should have had a rebuttal. Dude, it's clearly there to just set up Talos. That's the only purpose for the line. Give him a lead in. Because it would be unhinged if Talos just started ranting about how important he is into Fury's reputation, you know? It'll be unhinged for Fury to just go, I've been cleaning up your messies for 20 years and Talos is just, when? Like what? What's the thing? Shut the fuck up once he gives his rant. He's like, oh yeah, I was actually entirely wrong in an asshole, I guess. Bye. Him shutting the fuck up is 10 times worse because of that opening line. That opening line implies that he has at least a side of the story he can add. Give us another version of the events, but it's crazy why open with that. It's just a complete lazy setup to lead to it. It's empty. Like the chicken cornbread stupid trail scene. It's like a really stupid, a lazy long four hour setup for something that was just like vapid in the first place, you know? I don't know why they do this. Didn't Fury have a wife in Winter Soldier? Whether or not there was any reference to a wife in any of the previous stuff, like this woman and where they are so it's all invented in the show. There was never a point in the Winter Soldier whether they were writing it like, yeah, and see, she's a scrawl. The most important part being, of course, that he's a shit husband. That was never like in the deal. That was never a part of it. They just decided, yeah, that's what's gonna be thing. So Samuel L. Jackson charges so much because they know what the kind of shit they're gonna put his character through. Yeah, and he's just at this point waiting to see how it's gonna pay. Wow, and even with a decade of producer on this too, I think so. Oh, well. The piece of the pie. Maybe when he said he was like relieved to die, he just meant this role. He's like, I'm fed up of being Fury. I just wanna be something else. This is the thing. I think he likes Mace Windu and Nick Fury. I remember hearing a quote saying like, you know, fuck all those other movies. He just wants to have fun playing those roles. I think he actually likes this character. Why wouldn't he? I think he basically just broadly likes doing roles regardless of whether they're in more dramatic roles for, I guess you could say, more serious movies and doing these ones too. You think you'd hang on to something of Fury's character though? You'd be like, you'd think so. That he would have told them like, you've got to wonder, right? If the actors were on set, like, no, they wouldn't do that. Yeah. And what they get told. This is why I am more... He's not be actively destroyed. Like someone you've played over a decade. Yeah, and it's not like he's... It's not like he's dementia-ridden or anything. He's still very coherent. I always appreciate Mark Hamill and even Tamora Morrison, like the few people that actually speak out. And like, remember the Boba Fett quotes from a while back saying how he shouldn't be talking this much? If only that he'd brought it up when filming instead of... I know. He would think they'd have... Afterwards, when he knew it was shit, he was speaking out, but... That was just sad. Because that's another case of like, you can tell he liked the character and he could have used passion to do something with it, but they just, they don't care. He wasn't even in Mandel Season 3 when he thought he was gonna be sad. Never got the call. Yeah. And I remember being happy to see him in Kenobi as the storm, the broken down clone trooper. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, like just, there's a lot of potential for what that character is and the role he's had in the story. And they just, they don't see it that way, I guess. Well enough. So, Talos pretends to be the guy they're trying to get to, who obviously like owns all this stuff and is trying to get in. Which I thought was interesting because the scrolls being graphic would be aware that there's an attempt to subvert this. Remember, it's partly a test as well on the part of Fury and Talos. So these guys should be aware, because these are scrolls as well, by the way, this security detail. They should be aware that someone might try and get in who's a scroll, who's evil. Yeah, but nope. They should be aware of the notion of scrolls that would try to, you know, because I mean, the reality is, right, if a million scrolls are on earth, there aren't a million scrolls in that compound. So there's gotta be some out there that might get recruited to help Talos. I didn't realize these guards are scrolls. Yeah, well, when they get shot, they go, they go, they go, they go, they go green. This scene here, this part's stupid. He's walking up as his cover to this random guard. The guard says, sir, I just spoke with you, like the implication being, you're supposed to be inside the house, not in front of me, how did this happen? And so Talos switches into his regular mode and then attacks him. Why did, you just attack straight away, if you're gonna, why would you take the time to do this? What's the point? He's trying to be, he's trying to be cheeky. No, the point is because nanotech helmets rags, but shapeshifters. Yeah, because he should still be in this role, because as soon as he knocks out the guard, if anyone was to come here, cause he says my cover's blown, it's like, no, it's not. All you have to say is this guard, he's like, he's been knocked out. What's going on? Oh, you can say he attacked me. Yep. Anything, you still got cover, but he just says, nah, my cover's blown now. It's like, oh, okay. I guess so. It's fine. If Fury just kills three guards, they're all scrolls. We see Talos note the son is playing, I don't know what game it is, but he's playing a game. And so they ignore him. And then on the like receiver, Talos is like, oh, you got to come up to this particular room. I've got him, he's in here. Like, oh, he's captured. But the big giveaway is he calls him Nick, because nobody calls him Nick. That's right. Nobody not know how. We double checked. That's right. We double checked. And so Nick brings in the guy's son, and then there's a sort of standoff, I guess, but I thought this was interesting. As much as I totally understand the father giving up the position for a son and everything. Wouldn't he think like, if I give up my leverage, they might just kill us both? Does that ever come into mind? No, because remember, Talos is a weakling. Well, Fury's there though. Yeah. But he knows they still need him for the missile. Yeah, but like after that, or whatever, you know? After that. It just, to me, if I were him, I'd be like, yeah, you've got my son, but you're just going to kill us both if I let Talos go anyway. And then Fury could be like, I haven't got time, but you know, something like that. Somebody just gives him up straight away and I was just like, I don't know. I feel like you've really lost now because they've got full control. Anyway, you know, this situation's going to get real bad soon. There's big old missiles going to cause World War III. Can I just say, ask why they don't phone the plane until it's turned around? I was about to say the exact same thing. Why did it just turn the plane around? What the hell is this? Well, don't understand that. You can't phone a plane. They're too far in the sky. They just have a cell signal. It's too high up. Yeah, planes are moving too fast. The whole time it's like, why we're just worrying about this other part and just call the fucking plane. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, well, you just nitpicking. That's why, yeah. The planes have phones, like, oh man. Airplane mode. It's funny too, because the writers like are struggling here in terms of plot holes, because you have, Yuri just goes, why can't you just turn into that guy and call it off? Or that he's like, because I'd need a code word. You just sort of say that, like, do you know this? What do you know about what is, whatever information you have? And then it's like, shouldn't you really, like, wouldn't Olivia Coleman be the one to call now? Like, you have him. She wouldn't be the one to call. And you're like, listen, they're about to, she should be invested in this anyway, but she's not. But now you'd be like, listen, we're in the room with him. And I mean, you know, can you pull any strings? We're about to enter World War III. I feel like this is worthwhile because it's one of the good tips of a call. I don't know. Yeah. And then, so Fury says, like, we haven't got time for this and shoots him in the leg. That's nice to see, as long as you didn't shoot him in something super vital in the leg, you know, be careful, aim for the foot, that sort of stuff. That's true. The biggest blood vessels in your body are in your leg there and your upper thigh. So be careful. I'm not thinking about in Family Guy when they try to get out of the military and then try to shoot each other in the foot. I am Brian Guest. And so Stewie is just like, oh, oh, oh, you got me. Oh, let me see. No, no, you got me. Let me see. So Fury looks like he's going unhinged to Talos. He takes the gun off him and he's like, no, we want you to do this. We'll get the information out of him. And Fury is like, you're not, this is obviously a payoff for the whole you're a pussy thing. You do too much mercy. I thought, I think we were talking about this when we were watching it, like the sun's gonna come into this, right? Talos is gonna crack and he's gonna use the sun. He's gonna put the gun to the sun's head. And he's like, yeah, why would they show the sun in there with the Fortnite or whatever he's playing? And then of course the subversion could be that he really tries, he can't do it. And then Fury does it and Talos has to realize like, holy fuck, this is how we have to go to save the world. Like this is right. Some other thing like that, you might be right that. But no, instead, the guy like is taunting Talos when we're literally on a countdown, by the way. This is like seconds away from, you can see it in the screen in the background. Can you see that? Like on the left, it's basically over. It's already in range. But they're just like, he's like doing like a he he he. You're a shitty leader. Did you know that? It's just like, what the fuck are we doing? And I'm like- No one's asking him questions or like hurts him or anyone just sitting there and Fury's kind of like, are you gonna do anything, Talos at any point? Yeah, Fury looks like he's pouting. It makes no sense. Yeah. Like he's got his- He's just like sitting in his little chair. When it's the end of the fucking world, man. You'd go and get his son and bring him back in the room. Yeah. So the guy says, traitors are why we've been in exile for 30 years. Is your daughter a traitor too? And so Talos executes him, which is really fucking stupid. I mean, incredibly stupid because they don't have a guarantee yet for what they need, but you've just killed somebody who might be your last hope for that. And it's like, you know, reasoning like, well, I don't want him to give away my daughter. And it's like, even if you can kill him afterwards- You're happy to do that right now. Yeah, he can't fucking tell anybody. But again, isn't that just fascinating about Talos? It's like, when it comes to saving the world, you know, I can't cross that line. But when it comes to saying things that upset me. Yeah. Exactly. You saw Prince of the World in your time, but you say Gaia and it'll pop you in the chest. And that's what I mean. Like it seems weird that the show would essentially like, kind of, it would get close to going to the ideas. Again, you know, something like 24, right? Where it's like, okay, well, what exactly are people willing to do potentially, you know, to stop threats, to save the world, to protect lives? What are these trade-offs, you know, between essentially consequentialism or, you know, like just principled positions? But the show doesn't really want to deal with that at all. No. Well, if anything, this proves he'd rather save his daughter than 8 billion people. It's insane. It gets upset consistently more so. Yeah, when people say things about his daughter, than when people are actually like about to die. It's crazy. What I liked about Talos was the idea of like one scroll understanding that they have to do this like in a civil manner. Like this isn't their home. They have to, there's gotta be another way. They can't do the path of war. But then he does shit like this, where I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Like this is just like- Yeah, but he taunted me. It's like, okay. I was like, hey, you can't have that conviction. You can't have that fucking stance and then just snap and shoot this guy when you need the information to save lives. And then it gets even crazier because I think this has been written in real time. This is how it looks to me. And it's like the writers were like, okay, so what would be the solution now? What would it be? And then Talos just rings Gaia and says, do you know what the password is? No. Oh yeah. Which makes it pointless of killing that guy in the first place because he's essentially out of there himself. It's, there's a lot to it that's absolutely baffling. She doesn't know the code. What he's asking her to do is find the body of the man that they captured that's down in the basement, read his mind, get all of his memories and then access the password. When it's like, that's not even necessarily gonna work. We don't know when this password is created. And it's more than likely the password is created newly for scroll. He's a scroll. They probably would want a passcode that's like not familiar to everyone else or to his past life or whatever. At least when you set off on a new mission you'd have new passwords. Yeah, so it's like, so this could have just completely, and then she has to beat up two scroll guards by the way which could have gone completely wrong. And then she has to be in the whole area with all of those pod people without getting captured. There's no alerts. She doesn't need keys. She doesn't need access codes herself to get into these things. Health 100, the whole show. And yeah, she just does everything perfectly. And then there's this wonderful moment. You want to talk about it for me? Oh, I'll just throw visuals. So the guy that they're trying to get the information from is in the little memory extracting machine. So as she's, for some reason, she's not just like absorbing them directly from his mind in the way that was shown before. We just like put your hand on that. Which would be faster and more efficient. Yeah. Which could be way faster. She's like going through the machine. And as she's doing it, it's like flashing memories of him, the real guy hanging out with his son. And then she like looks at him like, oh my God, you have a life. And it's just like, what the fuck? We don't have lives on scrollers. Like, what did she think was the case? I believe this is supposed to give us reason for why she's going to be hardcore a good guy. And it's like. That's pretty bad. Yeah. She's, she's realizing that humans are people too. Oh my God. And people and I have lines and they're like, are you kidding me? Are you serious? You just like, come on. In Captain Marvel, they had the same thing, but it was random. So I just, this whole scene, I was thinking, how the hell is she going to find this one code flicking through someone's entire life? Because if that's how it works from that movie. Yeah, that was dumb as fuck too. She wouldn't have stumbled on that randomly. That's not going to happen. It's like even knowing how mentally you do that, how that's a thing you can just do. It's just embarrassing. And I think it's meant to be like, see now she understands what she's doing is wrong, which to which you just have to believe that she was an absolute idiot beforehand. So that the girl, the girl's life she took, by the way, I guess had nothing going for her. Well, yeah, like, because you would have taken that person's life and then stolen her memories, but not get any memories of her hanging out with her family or anything. Working at like volunteer work at a homeless shelter. Like, how did it take her this long to realize that human beings are people? It's insane. It's terrible, awful, awful rising. And the point that's being made here is she's on the hook for all of that. She's on the hook still. She doesn't get to escape. It feels like going from this point onward, I think she's she's only got good deeds. And so I think they want us to believe like, yeah, but she's a different person now. She's learned. She's understood. This is this is going for it's like, fuck off. This is not good enough to have realized that there's some guys out there who like their sons and have family moments. There are people who have lives as if that wasn't something that she could conclude. How would she not understand this? She's an adult, right? Like she's been there for 30 years. How would she not notice like the concept of father and son? Like it's and Captain Marvel said that they can't remember the memories of the scrolls that they take. And that was the basically the test that they use in that movie. Now it's the complete opposite. So which rules are we even following? I have no idea how these things work. And seems like they actually extract long term memories, which again, she would have had the long term memories of whoever she's impersonating and whose identity she's going to keep forever because I guess there's no ethical considerations as to whether you should still maintain those identities that you took from people without their permission. But they said the exact opposite in Captain Marvel and they want to, they expect this to make sense now. Like I don't even know how to follow it. I guess the only thing you could say is 30 years of technology, but again, that technology was already pretty advanced. They were a spacefaring civilization. So you figured that they wouldn't have figured this out in the last 30 years when they have less resources and are stuck on earth. Had they figured that out within that span of time, that in itself could have been an interesting story. What kind of innovations they made on their own during that time. But it feels like this means sitting on their hands. Well, I mean, well, we know what one of the innovations is. They've created a machine that can imbue you with the traits that are extracted from other like beings, essentially. And it's going to get worse for me guys. God. Well, yeah, so he gets the code. He goes in and says it all works out. Everything's fine. We came that close to blowing up a UN airship. I don't even know what it was like because I don't think they were that specific about. It's just a bunch of world leaders were on a plane. There was about to be blown up by Britain. That was a thing that almost happened, but it got called off for the last second. There's only three scrolls on that sub or rather in the control of the sub or whatever. It's just like, how are they not everyone panicking at the fact that we almost launched a missile at that plane that would have caused World War Three? This is insane. The same people, by the way, the British government know about scrolls and that they're infiltrating members of the military to try and cause World War Three. Yeah, like at this point, you guys should be scrambling to verify who's who very quickly. And then we have Olivia Coleman. It's just like, hopefully you guys took care of that. I was busy. They have the worst system on that sub because they need two keys to launch it. But the entire point of two keys is you need two people. And yet they're right next to each other. So the point where he tries to grab both of them and turn them himself right at the end. I do the guys' stairs. Which, by the way, how are they not screwed? How are they not gonna get pinned down and held captive, you know? It's like you tried to defy the order. Like you can't, you're stuck here. You're not, you're not getting out of here. Anyway, they're successful, mission aborted and guys heading out of the facility. And she bumps into Gravic. Not even kidding, he didn't like, you know, track her down and she's on a motorbike. And I guess there's only one road in and out. So she very cleverly used it instead of finding some other place to secretly get out now that she's like potentially exposed. And I don't know, I think this scene is supposed to be tense. She gets shot and it's like, oh no. Of course she's gonna be back. They're not gonna kill her off in three episodes. Well, no, no, no, she has to be dead because it can't be Extremis that'll save her because Extremis works straight away. If you shoot someone and have Extremis, it goes like, it makes like the searing sound and you can see all the lights and stuff. And all the red stuff creeps out. Yeah, she's clearly dead. He looks at her and he's like, oh well, she's dead. Though I would have, if I were him, shot her 10 times in the face just to make sure. Hey, I'm not grand. I'm surprised not only would he confirm the kill, but he would take the body. Why would he want the body? Yeah, of course. Why would you just leave it out in the road? Then some other guy's gonna drive out the next day and be like, what the hell? You've obstructed my car out of here. Half an hour later. Like literally somebody's gonna pass by like, what the fuck is that on the road? It's so classic. It's like, can we have it so that she appears dead for a while? I was like, no, that's not how Extremis works. And they're like, can we do it anyway? And they're like, yeah. Okay. I mean, we've already retconned the old movies so whatever. They spoil this plot twist themselves. They released a trailer for the next episode where she's in it going, oh, well, that was quick. Maybe too quick. And you're like, what are you doing? It's your own plot twist. They spoiled it with the trailers showing her in scenes that follow this episode that haven't been shown yet. Yeah. Wow. And then there's this reality of like, I don't trust you guys. Well, the big one is... I believe that you would do this. She hasn't done enough to justify bringing her in yet. You've got a million parts to play a character in a show and you kill her off after three episodes. No way. Though it's to be fair, I didn't realize what they were going to do with that character. No, I had no idea they were going to do that. Nobody did. Nobody did. So Fury's GF is ordered or wife, whatever, is ordered to... She goes to a deposit box to get a gun and like the reality is she's going to be told to kill Fury now. That's her command from graphic. I never get over this because the whole show plays with this. They even point this out at one point. Why are you so bad at killing Fury when it's so easy? Everyone talks about how shit he is and yet you never actually kill him when you finally get the chance. And like the implication is that Gravic doesn't want to kill him. And if you remember in episode two, I think he said never give a man what he wants in the relation to killing him. But then he orders his death with several assassins. And then he says after this that he still needs him. It's like, I have no idea what you're doing, Gravic. And then if you remember, Rody says either you kill Fury or we kill you. It's like, okay, so what's going on? Why didn't Rody just kill him? Why did anyone just kill him? He's a useless old man who wheezes on the benches. Oh, don't even get started on that, Jesus. Well, that's the end of episode three. All right. Halfway there. Whoa, I don't fucking care. We have more than halfway, luckily. Yeah. But we've covered a lot of things. Like episode one was like a double dip almost. I feel like we covered so many things. Yeah. We had to establish a lot. Establishing grounds, yeah. But with that one, we'll have to say goodbye to Disparu, who's probably trying to go to sleep at a reasonable time as well, potentially. Always attempting, I need to ease and everything. I was working on a video and I said, you know, I might be a few hours late. And then a few hours later, I'm like, there's no way I'm finishing this video tonight. So it was all but useless anyway. Well, it was nice to meet you. Because I'm donating like first time meeting you here. So yeah, you like your video, secret man. Awesome stuff. But before you run off, tell everybody what you're up to. Have you been covering secret wars, secret and Marvel? Oh. Yes. Marvel, secret Marvel hidden at the same time. Secret Marvel. But yeah, I did the reviews for this. It was some of the worst, like to actually get through. It was weird because it taught me the shortest amount to record. And I still release them later because I kept walking away from my computer. I couldn't focus. It was at least the other reviews have been fun. This wasn't fun. What do you think the reason is for that? Is it because you were quite invested in Nick Fury particularly? I like Fury as a character. Yeah. And there's an element where something gets so bad it's actually entertaining. That was Willow. Willow was genuinely funny at times, but it was not taking itself seriously. This was like, it's bad, but there's no kind of... It was competently filmed and put together, but the script writing was trash and it's using characters that I like. And it was just kind of hateful the entire way through. I feel the exact same way where it's just like She-Hulk was so ridiculous that you can actually poke fun of it. Same with Boba Fett, but this reminds me of Kenobi where I'm just kind of pissed off. You're just annoying me here with the choices that you're making. And it's such a waste of a concept and the acting and everything. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, and She-Hulk and Willow were trying to be comedics. So there was an element of... Them trying to be funny and not being funny was funny in itself kind of thing and you could make jokes about it. There was no entertainment or humor to be found in this. Yeah, this is supposed to be a drama. Except when you deserve that smoke. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think... Like, yeah. Other than episode six, I didn't really laugh at anything, but just nothing enjoyable, man. Really, really, really missed the show. The finale where he's just screaming at him was the worst. I think I resorted to just screaming back at the screen in the review. And he suddenly dying... I'm just like, proof he's a scrawl! He's suddenly dying of lung cancer. Like, when was he fucking coughing up the entire show? Like, yeah, God. That's why I call it that since you're leaving. I have no idea why they suddenly had him coughing up his lungs out of nowhere when that was the only part of the show. There's so many things to do with that. I can't wait to talk about it. This show has plenty of surprises left. Oh, yes, it does. At least beyond all comprehension. That's for disparate. Thank you so much for joining us here. It was always a pleasure whenever you do. And I'm sorry you had to suffer through secret invasion. Again. But hey, totally the best. It's a lot more entertaining going through with people than it is on your own. And it's just you and that for hours. But yeah, it's always fun, guys. Thanks for having me on. Yes, man. Catch you around. Catch you later, dude. Bye. See you later. Episode four, if everybody is ready. Yeah, I am ready. Please. They give us like a set of flashbacks. Like, by the way, we didn't show you this, but she stole the personality of Science Lady. She then went to the machine to operate it fully and got herself the powers that Gravit currently has, including Extremis. I'm actually not sure if she got more because we never see her use anything more than Extremis. But if you see on this... If they use the same one, it should be the same ones he had. So she probably has group power, too. On this screen, you can see Extremis. And then underneath this is Frostbeast and underneath that, Cull Obsidian. So I assume she's got them all. She got the same ones. We just never see it. By the way, do you like how fucking childish this is? Extremis, power transfer, healing abilities, heat strength, 100. Yeah, what does that mean? It's like, shut up. You figure that they might nerf it a little bit, right? So it's like, it's not 100% effective. It's not exactly the same. Yeah, like the more we combine, the less powerful they are. Yeah, exactly. But they're only ever going to be like the fraction of the original. What I'm talking about is like the complications of a scientific sort of addition to your genome being Extremis would not be boiled down to healing abilities and heat strength. Yeah, like what does that even mean? Healing abilities and heat strength, 100%. What does that mean? It's like a biological fact, I suppose you could say. It's like, well, we don't know what else to put on there. And it's like, I know, that's what I'm pointing at. I know you don't, yeah. You just hope you won't read it. Absolutely. I think they don't want people to read it, yeah. EFAP is read like this because they wrote it out, you know, it's all there. Yeah, that is the scroll version of her, presumably, but I don't know if she ever actually got in the makeup. I don't think so. But why would she instantly turn back into someone who is her? They do it quick, too. Nanotech helmets of shapeshifters. They do not want her being a scroll, you know? It really feels like they're showing her off, right? It's like, look, it's a meteor clock. Look, look, look, it's like, you have loads of famous people. But like, why did you get her for this role then if you wanted to do that? Why would you get her for a role that would be the least appropriate to have the same person playing the character? None of us thought out. So we begin the episode with a good old flashback to just post-Avengers time. It's just after it. And if there's anything I can trust, it's a flashback. Yeah, every time these start up, you're like, oh boy, what are we destroying this time? What lies are you preparing to tell me? Trying to gaslight me? She just says, as I saw them all saving the world, I had a feeling someone had something to do with it. Someone getting them together. And if he's the man I think he is, he has a powerful sense of righteousness. He understands the universe is dangerous and home is worth fighting for and that the weak are worth protecting. It's a clockwork every fucking time. All the horrible dialogue that just tells you explicitly what everyone's feeling, whether or not it makes any sense at all. The whole point of this writing thing is to hide that element. You're supposed to make us like not notice just what you think about whatever. Well, you're meant to make us buy into this as like a real exchange between people. Yeah. Create the illusion, but they just can't do that. They just know you straight up what their thoughts are. Just need to update you as fast as possible. No elegance to it. And she says she's reading some Raymond Carver and some of his poems are three or four lines. And then Fury is like, oh, do you have a favorite? And she says, late fragment. And he says, well, how's it go? And she says, actually, it's a conversation. It was a really weird line. It's weird. Because he doesn't correct him on anything. He just said, how's it go? How's it go? Oh, no, no, no, actually it's a conversation. Conversations don't go. Yeah. I can believe how someone in the MCU might not think that conversations like go. Most funny to me is that that could be how it was written and they just, you know, shit at writing, shocking revelation. Or it could be what makes me feel like it is, which this scene was maybe like three times as long and it got chopped to shit. Who knows? But either way, it doesn't feel genuine. It just feels like I'm sitting there like, get to the point. What's it going to be? Yeah, tell me what the thing is. I said out loud, I'm like, man, this is going to take forever, isn't it? I would have rather it just be a poem. Yeah, and this better be, if you're going to read me poetry, it better be a fucking banger. Yeah. Well, all that's said, she says, the one thing she wants in life is to call herself beloved and to feel herself beloved. And it's like, okay. That was all that build up for that, like all this hype. That's not half of half of how interesting as you think it is. Yeah, yeah. I thought they had a banger. It's kind of with noting, we're already like a fifth of the way through. Wow. Thank God. It gets short. I get real short. Which is good. So, Rody's threatening her. He's like, hey, you're supposed to be working for Gravic, you fuck. You fuck? She says Fury was fired, by the way. And then Rody says, how? Which was confusing for a second. So I was like, you fired him, didn't you? But the point is, he's supposed to be sort of figuring out what she knows. And she said, President Ritzen must have done it. And he says, no, I did it. Ritzen doesn't do anything unless I tell him to. And I was just like, when did this happen that the president only had one advisor and he did everything he said? When was that a thing? Since when was Rody Greema Wormtongue? Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing they invented. Like, well, I don't know. And again, it's just like, you get pulled out. You're supposed to not exist, my lord. You get yanked out every once in a while because like, Rody's just telling us that's how it is. And that's the writer telling us how it is. It's like, we have all that under control because I decided this character does this. And you're like, all right, fine. The same as everything else, I guess. And yeah, he says, kill Fury or we kill you. And it turns out Fury is eavesdropping on the whole thing. I don't, because we do find out this is not something she knew. I guess he bugged her. And so this should be pretty like shocking to discover, I'd imagine. He now knows that his wife is gonna try and kill him under orders from Gravic. You know, that sucks. He doesn't really care, though. He just slouches in his seat. Yeah, he doesn't really care, I guess. Oh, and by the way, it's been a while since we've had one of these, but she's another character to do it. So she says, I'm, she mentioned something about him being shit. I'm trying to find him. He's so shit, don't worry about him. We don't even need to kill him. He's trash now, he's- Yeah, she says. You're very bad. It's almost worse than that. She says the old Fury, the one with power, the one with ability, the one who was indispensable to us, he's gone. The new one will be dead from exhaustion and defeat suited of. That was the one. It's like, what the fuck? Would you add that with all the other lines? Yeah, is this a fetish? The thing about it is, someone would try to argue, it's like, don't use, get it, she's saying that because she's trying to convince him not to kill him. It's like, well, then why is it the same as what everyone says about Fury in this fucking show? Everybody, the villains, the heroes, all of them. Yeah, so. Oh, and there was a guy at a bar. There was a really awful line that was clearly posing as a cool line from Rody. I don't know if you guys remember, but this is the shot you get for it. And he says, if you keep telling me what you're not gonna do, I'm gonna show you what I am gonna do. Appreciate line. That's, yeah. That is a very- It's the clunkiest motherfucking line. Why don't you- We need to refine that a lot. We need to draw off. That needs so much help. Try again. It actually feels like if there was a road equivalent of that, it would just be going up, down, left, like it would break dimensions. Yeah, you have this general concept of the exchange you want in your head. And then as a writer, you think, oh, how can I refine this and polish this and make it short and quippy? You know, I was like, oh, nevermind, whatever. Next, next, whatever. How come he didn't say either you show me what you can do or I'll show you what I can do or something like that? It's already cleaner. It's quicker. If you don't act, I will. Oh, God, we're getting small. Turns out the quicker and smaller the line, likely the better it is. Like that just- Exactly! Often how it goes. I feel like Don Cheadle could have improved that better than whatever it was on the spot, but he's stuck with this stupid line. It is very bad. These are all variations of like, you choose or we will. It's as simple as that. Yeah, yeah. Either you do it or we'll do it. So, so simple. And yet what did they end up with? If you keep telling me what you're not gonna do, I'm gonna show you what I am gonna do. What did they get left? How did you get it that long? What the fuck? That's like the intoxicated version of that line. You just told me what you're gonna do and I'm gonna show you what I can be doing if you, yeah. Yeah, that line- Oh, God, are we in a church? We're leaving the bar. But not like in Disney. How'd we get in here? So, before leaving for the next mission, Gravix says remember, we want them to think that we're the Russians, so make it loud and big like Russians would. What? Russians love it big and loud. It's so funny. You know those Russians. You know the Russians, man. That's how we'll convince everyone. Remember, only Russian. Yeah, it's the officer, right? There's gotta be some Russian MCU fan that's just like, fuck, has to roll his eyes through. Yeah, definitely. He's like, they don't know me, yes. Remember, no English. I do love it big and loud, yes. No Skrull. Remember, guys, if you get shot, die. Don't turn into a Skrull. I turn into a Skrull. Hold it in as you go to the other side. Yeah, it's like clenching your butt cheeks so you don't make a turn back to a Skrull. Like, sir, what if one of us gets injured or killed? We're just going to be Skrulls. It's like, no, you're right. We'll shoot you up so bad. You'll just be piles of flash. It'll be fine. No, it'll tell. No sense at all. So we got our father daughter scenes. Great. He says, I shouldn't have forced you into this. And she says, I don't need a Skrulls, by the way, before we continue. Oh, yeah, they're both Skrulls. In person, if they both got to appear as Skrulls, wouldn't that be like meaningful to them? Yeah, because not only are they not Skrulls. Random humans. They keep choosing these humans, though. Just these specific random humans whose identities you've co-opted instead of like, oh, I haven't seen you as a Skrull in, I don't know, like 20 years or something. Wouldn't that be meaningful? But they don't want to do the makeup, I guess. But yeah, of course, him saying I shouldn't have forced you into this is really bizarre because she's made many choices at this point that have really fucked up. And it's out of her hands. But I guess you can give it room that he's her dad. You know, maybe that's something he would say, which is kind of annoying. But then she, and she's doing the thing and it's so sad to see it because at this point it's all you get. She's like, I don't need a sorry for what I did of my own free will. Warring! Warring! Amelia Clark plank delivery. I'm sorry, I don't know what else to call it at this point. This is strong female writing. Well, strong female acting too. Like, she wants to be stone faced, but it makes it so that she's like no emotion. And we've seen it with Sarah Connor with that. What the, was it Kira from solo? I think her name was Kira. And then, you know, Daenerys, it's not like that started becoming a problem. The more the show went on, it was just like, Daenerys does the same thing every fucking time. You glares at people and says, I don't think you should overstep your place. It just took you like, yeah, yeah, I got it. They keep forcing her to play this character. It's like this blueprint they tapped into I would like to know what this woman could do other than Daenerys, Targaryen, over and over and over again. Cause I think she could do other things, but they, ugh, it's an annoying typecast. See, like, look at her eyebrows. She's capable of more. She could do more. Look at the move. Fuck. They don't let her, cause they got one job they wanted to do. Too busy being strong. They're like, fucking hell. But I'm like, yes, eyebrows, that's the shot right there. Then she starts saying stupid shit. She says, have you got a plan to get the scroll to home because Gravic has a plan and he's implementing it and it works. It works. Blowing up the planet works. Blowing up all of earth works. It turns out you can just blow up the planet. Killing billions of people, destroying all of the planet's infrastructure. That plan works for you, does it? It's so insane. It's like, do the writers know what she just said? That his plan works. Maybe she's sad that it works and is effective. She's saying that you need to come up with a plan that works because his does not work. This doesn't work. It literally doesn't work in terms of what you want to achieve. It's deeply immoral. Yeah, something that they've now declared that she would be very much against. You don't want to kill people who might have families like humans. Yeah. Didn't she just have a change of heart when she realized fathers have sons? Well, that's the point of this scene, is to point out that Talos, whatever, he's not done a good enough job in response to graphics. He doesn't offer a better solution when his solution was try and live among the humans and don't fucking murder the children. Exactly. He's an illusion. Yeah, he's delusional for you. He's delusional. Apparently, the idea that a large number of scrawls find that uncompelling, competitive, new to the planet. Like, come on. What do you want people to think about the scrawls? What do you want people to think? Yeah, because you showed us that she snapped out of the evil scrawl crew by seeing a normal person doing normal things. Like, do they all need that moment? Do they all need to see humans play with children? They all need that moment to recognize that human beings are like them and that they have lives and care about people. I guess they don't have TV. They're live and lead them. Yeah, these guys are living in a box. I just don't understand. They're not exposed. Well, yeah, like, what does it look like when they watch a sitcom, you know? They're like, ah, these foolish humans don't care about anything. They didn't explore anything. They were too busy having grabbed a fucking screen where I'm kind of curious as to what those scrawls thought process was. Why are they believing this guy? Like, there's a story there. They just skipped it. They skip everything. He says, we have to deal with reality. We have to rely on the goodwill of our hosts. They're going to see us for who we are. And I think he says, like, good people, whatever. And she says, you're delusional. That's not who we are. And it's not who I've become. Boring. Yep, absolutely fucking shit. She's doing the I'm evil thing, but obviously she won't be because she's just sad and confused, but also doing her. I'm a mean old Mr. Fishnchips person. I know she seems really old like this. You should be what, like in her 40s? Yeah, like you're not. You shouldn't be like discovering your own like basic fan foundational morality. Because the character that she's playing was a kid in the nineties. So she's she's like, got to be in her like 40s at this point. Right? At least minimum. I have no idea, but probably yeah. Well, she's got a lot to learn about humans. How hard is it to figure this out? You know, like, it's like, how is it only at like 40 that you start to realize, oh, people lead lives and value them? How do you figure that out in your big epiphany and then say this line in the next scene? Like, make your mind what she wants. That's not who I've become is like, what are you? What are you talking? What are you? You say you're like an evil. What are you doing? What's happening? Why would you say that to your dad? What? I guess it's because she hasn't completed an arc yet of realizing that maybe he has a point that you need to like actually prove to people that you're good. Maybe he has a point. Maybe you shouldn't kill children. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So. Oh, so then we get this scene. The wife is coming back home and she realizes the ring has not been picked up even though Fury is here. And remember when we were watching this? I was like, so Fury's a scrawl. This isn't actually Fury because he's already gone over all of this. They're supposed to pick up the ring and then she tells him and he's like, oh, must have forgotten. He's like, he's a scrawl. He's got to be a scrawl. He's not. That's not the point of this scene. We don't even think that's a possibility. Because I'd be embarrassed to be in the same room with him at this point. Yes. But there's no thought of that. There never is. We randomly remember that the two that just had that conversation, one of them could be an enemy scrawl. They don't even know. Not. Well, yeah, exactly. Because again, that's not your daughter. That's some other woman. You don't know that. The only way that a scrawl would know is presumably scrawls can't impersonate other scrawls. I guess that's some limit on them. Oh, why? I don't know why that would be the case. If you can assimilate entirely foreign alien beings, presumably you'd be able to impersonate people that are very similar to you anatomically. How would you be able to evolve that characteristic if you couldn't use it on your own? So the reality is it might be a problem with the scrawls is that they can't even recognize themselves. But these identities are not you. The show doesn't seem to understand that. It occasionally does. But it's like, these aren't them. They're different people. They never addressed that. Well, they can't even do tier one, which is just, you might be a scrawl now that I haven't seen you for a day. They can't even do that. So yeah, if you're in here, have a serious little chat. He says that of all my mistakes in my life, you're the greatest. I lost all my reason to be your husband, ignored every signal that screamed stop. And even now as I know you plan to kill me with your pistol, I don't know that I would change a thing if I did it over again. And I don't know. So you're just confining himself to die here? Seemingly? And so then you finally find out the story of her face. He says, this is pretty bad. So she had a friend who had a heart defect and she kept it a secret from her family, the friend. And then this scrawl here would visit that person every day. And at some point had to acknowledge that I can't believe it. I was about to say this straight up as if like you guys don't need a warning everyone. This is about to get really weird. As is the same with all of this ladies dialogue in this fucking show. She says at some point I had to acknowledge that I needed a face that could slip your defenses. She says that to Fury. I needed a black face? I don't know what she means by that exactly. No idea. But the implication I'm getting is that she needed to find someone that she believed could seduce, I need to seduce Fringy, Fury. To seduce Fringy. So Fringy, you like it? Don't you think that's like really fucking weird to tell your husband of potential decades? Like I was looking for the face you see now because I wanted to like trick you into marrying me. I needed that to happen. You're just like, oh. Okay. Like that's a really strange thing to admit to and it's not even, it keeps going. Oh yeah, this is new. It gets more disturbing. It gets more disturbing than this. Well, so the first, like what do you say back to that? It's like you could choose millions of things. Nick says, ah, playing the long game on me, huh? As opposed to, oh my God. Wow, you took that well. Wow. It's okay. She has, she's like, oh. He wasn't paying attention. Oh, you took that well, moving on then. And to that, he says, she says don't do that, Nick. It's like, he had a very chill reaction to that fucking information, but fine, yeah. She said to the lady in the hospital, do you wanna fall in love? And the lady in the hospital of course said, how? And then the scroll said, oh, let me tell you about Nick Fury. Now, the implication we're supposed to buy is that she explains, I'm gonna take your appearance and I'm gonna go date Nick Fury. Somehow this translates into, do you wanna fall in love? I need your face to seduce him. Actually, like what in the fuck? There's a complete disconnect there, but continue. If it's not bad enough, she says, you can only take my whole life with three conditions. Condition one, bury me at sea, Ash's topsy-turvy. Okay. Sure, fine, I guess, yeah. And then condition two was a beard daughter to her parents. That's like, oh, what the, that immediately just, that's the one, like what? Yeah, that's the one that's really fucked up. It's like, so don't let her parents know she died and instead assume her identity and pretend everything's fine. But wasn't this person in the hospital like dying? Yeah, she kept it a secret apparently, no one knew, which I don't buy at all, but okay. Don't buy it all? Well, because then officially she has to get rid of the body, replace her and then recover from this dilapidating fatal injury or whatever it was. Well, and whenever they try to draw blood, it turns purple. None of this makes any fucking sense. What actually happened is she probably killed that woman and took her appearance. That makes way more sense. That's probably what happened. Ash is lying. But it's just like, that's creepy. Well, last condition, this is the final part of it. This is a condition from the woman who's dying in the hospital. The third condition is don't hurt Nick Fury. All of this is just like, really, really. That doesn't make any fucking sense at all. It's not nonsensical and weird. Did she just tell this woman about Nick Fury? Yes, she literally just mentioned him. Now she's like never heard him. It's like, why is that your condition? Why would she? This guy sounds nice, promised never heard him. And why would she extract any value like, ah, yes, I will be loved after I'm dead by somebody who isn't me but stole my identity? Well, I didn't steal one, I guess, if you gave it to her, but you know. The implication is that nobody shoots each other in the scene. One, because Fury loves her and two, because she promised she wouldn't hurt Fury to this dying person to even know Fury was that she stole the life of. What in the fuck? Why should we take any of this as sweet or romantic? It's just horrible. All of it's horrible. It's not romantic, it's creepy. It really is creepy. She just explained that she planned to fall in love with Fury. Yeah. So Fury should be feeling very betrayed, not like, ah, yes, we are kindred spirits. It's like, no, you deceived me. You are a bastard. That's just gross. And the thing is that in a better show, it could be recognized as like, oh my God, that's terrifying, but like the show doesn't. It's not smart enough to notice that. Yeah, the show doesn't know what's happening. It's chill. It doesn't even read anything. It's pretty chill. They think that was sweet. They think that was sweet. And like, this is a meaningful conversation. But I was just like, what? You're living her life for her now? Like you're not going to elaborate on that? Oh, I mean, the idea of like getting a shapeshifting alien to pretend to your parents that you didn't die. Yeah. How long? What's the deal here? That's so strange. How many people are manipulating her family, Fury? Like everyone she's ever known. It's just, you can't skip over those things for people who have a brain and just want us to go back to this stupid conversation. No. I couldn't pay attention to anything as they set up for that. I was just like, yeah, this lady's, that's messed up. You guys, it's all horrendous and horrible. And we only just met this lady, like fucking half an hour ago. Like, are you kidding? Oh yeah, because something that happened is that before they do the simultaneous shooting at each other, they do a callback to the poem that was introduced, what, 10 minutes earlier in the episode? What a meaningful callback. Like, oh yeah, that's an amazing callback that is. It's something that was set up 10 minutes ago in the episode. That's not how callbacks work. You can set it up for 10 minutes beforehand. They think because it's a flashback, that's enough. There's enough 10 minutes. That counts. Exactly. Well, they set it to each other in 2012. That's when they set it. It's technically, it was ages ago. Yeah, that's so long ago. We've been building this up for that long. That's what that means. And as a... That's the opposite of what you want to achieve with a set up. As Fringe just mentioned, they both very deliberately pull up their pistols and shoot and both deliberately just miss each other. See? As that kindred spirits. Because, you know... It's pretty like, you know, a moment of, wow, if either of you thought the other was actually gonna do it, that would have been awkward. Like, because the other would like, abes properly. One of them misses and one of them shoots. It was like, oh shit. What if one of them missed on purpose and the other one was trying to hit but like missed accidentally? Yeah. Nick Fury's probably got pretty bad depth perception, right? Like he only has one working eye. Look at this. Does this not look like the... I mean, Fury's, I think looks like it'll miss. Who's doesn't? No, wait, what? But why do this? Oh, look, they shoot exactly at the same time to the same millisecond. It looks like she's missing by the way. Yeah, I can buy Fury's misses. I don't buy that who's missed. No. Yeah, she's pointing right at him. It's a point, yeah. Point right at him. Yeah, he did. He died. Which, by the way, this wouldn't have been hard to film. Just have him not fucking aim at him. That would have been a really awkward end to Nick Fury, wouldn't it? Yeah. But he would have been happy. My view seems like this. You're not gonna have any suspense with your audience. Like, we know, like... Well, you're not gonna kill Nick Fury in the middle of episode four. What's the point of even pretending that that might happen? Well, I mean, he's in all the trailers for the Marvels, so it'd be kind of weird. Yeah. The ultimate one is the Chewie in Solo. You're gonna die. Like, why the fuck would you even do that when we know they're alive for like 40 years? Oh, I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it in the Rise of Skywalker. Which one? Well, Rey blew up Chewie. Oh, my God! Yeah, that one. That was the one thing. Yeah, that was the one thing. Consequences. One chance for there to be actually, like, answers. And it's like, it's the most interesting thing that ever happened to Rey. And they just like, nah, in the very next scene, he's alive. I couldn't believe they did it. It's so weird, isn't it? Another funny film. That's why, at the very end, Rey says to that old lady in the desert, my name is Rey Chewbacca. Oh, my gosh. She doesn't know what the fuck she is. Rey Bacca. Just, uh... Just talk, just talk about Rey. So, like, he leaves and she says, would you have loved me if I was using my not, my goober face, you know, my scroll face? And he says, guess I'll never know, or guess we'll never know. It takes a long time before he says that. I don't buy that he would fucking say that, but it's obviously a setup for him to say something else or do something else at a later part in the season. We can't do that payoff yet, okay? We've got to wait. But, like, as if he would say anything other than, like, of course I would love you. I'd love you no matter what. You know, that sort of sappy shit. This stupid show. You don't even... Just making shit up. Oh, yeah. And then they just casually do this. And it's kind of funny. I think the implication here is it's a lady scroll who's, uh, uh, Rody. That looks like a lady scroll to me. Hmm. I 100% thought that was a girl. But I guess it doesn't really make a difference, right? No, it doesn't. Well, it doesn't make a difference. Scrolls can change it into anybody. Writing-wise, but, man, that must be, that must feel weird, I imagine, you know. Yeah, why would it? So, yeah, to make Rody, he doesn't have a bigger twist? What was the point of that? Scrolls can change it into anybody. Sorry. No, I said that already. I'm saying it must be weird. Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I don't know if it's like you get different, uh, things to work with, you know. Switching back and forth, I wonder if... I wonder if that scroll lady has a preference. You'd have a lot of insight to be able to talk about, you know, how things work, how things go. But yes, that's the really overt confirmation. But I mean, you could already have picked it up. And they, uh... Would you say that's the best shot that we got of a scroll in the season? Like transformation or...? Yeah, I think we got it. No, I don't know. That was pretty quick. The thing is, is a Captain Marvel has like one that's actually like pretty detailed. And that's like the only time that they've ever... Captain Marvel is just way better. That's what I'm saying, is I don't think that there are any in this that I would consider good. They're all like way too quick. They, they, it's the same with the nanotech where they do it so quick that it's like they kind of cheating it almost feels like. You don't even get a chance to really explore the pace and, you know, like... Yeah, they do it so quick that they don't have to actually like do, you can make it super flupy and not look good. And you could pause on like any of those frames and it's probably going to look really terrible. And it's like, yeah, they rely on it going by so fast that you can't pick up any details. I don't know. It's just the decisions they make. Like, um, you remember that with the random mando episode in the middle of Boba, where he was like going through the, he was in the, he was in that random area after the dropping off the bounty and he was in the elevator with that really cool looking alien. You remember that? Yes, I do. I just remember specifically thinking, man, that alien actually looks really cool. They can do proper, like, you know, practical effects, but then you see this shit. It's like, where did the money go? I still want to see the spin-off show with the train alien, the big guy. He doesn't talk much. So I'm waiting for him. We'll get it one day, I'm sure. I want the spin-off for that. That too. Big room mates. So, uh, yeah, we got another cringe scene. Fury's broken into Rody's apartment. Scrawl-D. And they get another wonderful line. By the way, you could collect these in the shows, so many of them. Rody says, Fury, what the hell? You mind telling me what the hell you're doing here? Who, what the hells? Right next to each other. What the hell? One dude. Man, there's so much, so much hell going on. Didn't have him say what the heck. One second, I want to do it, go on. What the heck? What in the heck? What the heck are you doing? I just want to compliment. Even if it's the Scrawl, get in the credit. I want to compliment his place. I like the black and gold. So that was my only compliment for this scene. It's not even his place though, right? It's like an apartment he's got. A hotel. It is a hotel. So good job, hotel. They get the credit. See, the show's not worthless. There was a nice hotel room. It was about it. I want to compliment. So Fury says, we brothers are going to stick together. We've got to settle our beef like proper gentlemen. And then he offers him a drink and he's like, should I be considerate of poison? He says, no, nano-trackers. And they both laugh. And the meme is that he's actually put nano-trackers in there. It's not a joke. Which, again, Scrawl Roadie should be aware of because Scrawl Roadie's been around in the era of nanotech. Yeah, this isn't something that nobody would be stupid enough to fool for this shit. Why would you drink a drink he's giving you? Even if you didn't know about nanotech, you just don't drink that drink. It's just stupid. It's a meme. I've got literally nothing to gain from this. Nope, exactly. Just pour it out and then get another one. You think I'm such an alcoholic that I just have to have this drink? From you? Maybe a whole bottle. Geez. He doesn't take a breath mint after this scene. He goes straight to a superior officer. And there's a line. Fury wants him to take the drink. I don't know if he's supposed to be convincing, but he says, if you waste any of this drink, I promise you your ancestors will reach out from beyond and strangle your black ass. We're just like... I assume he didn't actually take that seriously. That's a good thing. I'd better drink it, otherwise, you know, I've wasted some really good alcohol. Rills my black ass, I'll get strangled. Strangled. Yeah, it's dumb, but the next huge important scene doesn't happen unless Roadie drinks that. Which is dumb as fuck, because you don't need to trace or track him via a drink. You could just keep an eye on him in general. You could do anything. But whatever, he drank a tracker. And then he says, hey, Fury, I've got footage of you killing Maria and I'm gonna release it to everybody unless you fuck off. Kind of strange. Also, you shouldn't be fucking off, you should be under arrest or something. Also, this is like a funny tech thing. He pulls out a USB, puts it into his laptop and presses one button, and then it just plays the video. Like, what button did you press? In the VLC button. Yeah, VLC play. You know what I'm saying? Play pause function, yeah. But like, you can see him, I think it's one of the F buttons. Or is it, no, it could be a skit, ooh. It looks like it's Caps Lock. Oh, it's not the top, bro. That would be the F keys and everything, right? He goes down to there. It literally, it might be an S, it's how we know. It's like S or D. That looks like a no beauty. That looks like a no beauty. You know, like, what button did they say that he should press? They're just like, press any button, that's fine. Oh yeah, sorry, tab, not Caps Lock. Caps Lock's under the tab, right? I don't think he pressed it. It looks like tabs there. That looks like tab, yeah. A goodbye tab, because the F keys are a bit above that, right? Or maybe... All you had to do was go click, click, click, click, click. That would have looked more fancy. I think an ARS. I think it's too far to the left to be ARS. I think it's too far to the right to be tab. Well, so I think I'm wrong anyway about tab, because if he's got an F key layer, then it would be the numbers key, so he's hitting like, he'd be hitting like one. Like a Q or W? Or one, maybe? Yeah, maybe. He's not hitting anything that would be fucking useful. There's no button on you. This doesn't work this way. Secret government keyboard. Yeah, I wouldn't, it's a Tony Stark laptop. It does everything you want just by pressing a button. It reads your mind. Why not just actually have it, you know, have a little bit of realism. Have it actually linked to the TV, because that's a real thing of technology that we can do. And then just be like, oh yeah, then you just do the thing and you play it. And then the camera there records it. You could literally have done a voice comment. He just says, play clip one, and that's it. Boom, done. Yeah, play clip. It's like when they were demoing the Kinect, it's like Xbox to that. It's like when they're playing Mass Effect 3, and this is the best way to play. It's like, we are a like Stasis of Singularity. Oh, this is amazing. It's way better than just pressing two buttons. Just won't get incredibly annoying very quickly. Yuri says, you and I both know that's Gravic. And then Rody says, that's gonna be your defense in court. No, Your Honor, it was a six foot tall, bold, black, one-eyed extraterrestrial. Well, wait, that's- Wait, black extraterrestrial. Well, yeah, because the suggestion is like, that's all an alien, what you're seeing on the screen. I guess, but I mean, Rody, as far as a human Rody, not Skrull Rody, would he know who Gravic is at this point? You know what I mean? It's like Gravic. And then he's like, oh yeah, shape-shifting alien. It's like, I didn't say that, I just said it's Gravic. You don't know who that is. You know what I mean? How would he have just jumped to that conclusion if he still believed that Fury didn't know that he was a Skrull? You know what I mean? I honestly find it hard to track who thinks what everyone knows at any time sometimes. They really rely on that vagueness of, you know, you could always sort of rely on, well, maybe they know, maybe they don't know. Who knows? Well, my job here is done as a writer. Well- Because if the Nick thing was supposed to clue him into it, then he should technically know during the scene, but there's no tell for that. It seems like he has no idea until the end. Well, and this is a dumb appeal anyway, because yeah, he says this like it's an impossibility that anyone could be impersonating Fury when we've seen it several times. I don't know. That was part of the intelligence of Rody in the interview that he went in with those countries. I thought the point was like, yeah, this can be doctored. This can be faked. We know many, but now he's like, nah, Kourt would never believe that. Oh my God. So that line was such a good line, probably one of the better lines. And it's kind of like now ruined by this stupidity. It's like he wouldn't, why would he say this? He explicitly mentions a court and it's like we've had a court case involving a shapeshifter in this universe recently. That's the civil war, the fact that it was something as simple as makeup and the black widow veil thing. There's three. There's three. There's just no excuse for them to be prepared for scrolls. It's just great. In any sense. They don't care. That's just only some explanation. And then Rody says, don't you worry. I'll have every video I've made, every copy, including this one remaining under wraps, but I can't have you running around spouting wild conspiracies or breaking in here. And then he says, but I can't have the rest of this drink because it is fire. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's such a... Oh my God. That's disgusting! That's a倒 thing. Yeah, it's fire. You gotta water it so I can see him. Where is he? No, just text, fool. Ah. Ha ha ha ha. That drink is fire. Fire. Wow. So. Why wouldn't Nick Fury at this point? just show him men Bendelsen to what end to prove that scrolls exist the problem here is that roadies basically evil and fury knows that and I don't know what roadie knows exactly but the only goal here is to get the tracker on him it's not anything else remember he overheard fury roadie telling his girlfriend to kill him wife does he know he's a scroll though I know you know he's a scroll or is that just assumed I feel like he has to at this point right the fact that we don't know for sure is just a failure of the show I just absolutely I can remember when an if and why I need because we should be aware of their context and like their perspectives if we don't know what they think or want like what are we doing here because I go ahead finish finish actually finish this point first so if we don't know so if you're Nick fury you might think that he roadie has a reason to kill you that is completely independent of the scrolls existence right for the bombing you know him getting fired all the international pressure he might think oh shit they're trying to kill me right they're trying to you know like they're trying to kill me and that could that could exist entirely outside of scroll existence if there were no scrolls then this is something that roadie in the United States government might want to do to him because you know of the of the terrorist attack in Russia to rewind just I after you read out that line of him saying that the drink was fire I decided who wrote this and I just wanted to check in the guy who wrote at least partially or fully every episode of the season he'd only written one movie beforehand 10 years ago I don't get it as something called broken city I don't know anything about it it's got Mark Warburg and Russell Crowe in it and it made 19 million dollars against the 35 million dollar production budget rip I just don't get it how do you write one screenplay you write one screenplay and then you get to be the like the writer on every episode of a television series of a 200 million dollar television show like what's it there's got to be a mix of a few things like maybe broken when the keys to something like that maybe broken city didn't fail because of the writing maybe it was yeah marketing I guess I just I find it crazy that like for so many for so many recent Marvel productions like the writer who gets a task to it has written like one movie one episode of a television show and then they become on it I don't I don't know I don't know what I don't know what to make of that it like it baffles me that that's how it works people that are less experienced so they can like have more leverage over them and more control over the project but it's like what do you hire I don't know it's the impression you get in terms of the art that you would go on is like what a lot of people who are now you know prominent directors like Steven Spielberg directed a bunch of stuff for television like you'd have writers who were staff writers on a television show assistant writers then they'd start writing episodes and then they do screenplays like Aaron Sorkin did plays then he did screenplays for film and television shows like you figure that it goes through that arc I just find it unfathomable that you'd write run screenplay and then get handed an entire season of television on a 200 million dollar budget I just don't get it not to say that it's impossible that somebody could write you know one screenplay then go on to write a television show and it ends up being amazing that's always possible it just seems like you have such limited experience that it would be surprising if you'd be able to handle a project that is this big I don't know what the standards are for hiring these people like when you have someone who's just written like you know one thing and you're given such a large project it's just such a risk it's it just feels like they don't have a respect for the difficulty of writing and how much it you know talents it takes to make a consistent script they think it's just like oh he's a writer you wrote this we can write that well yeah you figure that you figure that it's you got to build up your you know bigger scope bigger scope means that you need like more experience in terms of writing essentially to handle stuff that's getting huge in terms of how many characters you got to juggle how the world building is going to feed into other shows I just I don't know I just find it so bizarre and especially with this much money on the line and this is supposed to be a cinematic universe like the continuity is what really appealed to me at the beginning it's it's like you know at least the attempt at continuity but they just don't give a fuck anymore it's just it's so it's it's yeah they've given up the pretense that there's continuity in this they're doing whatever they want in every new show and every new movie well I was gonna say to rewind a little bit this part I forgot where it because when you just come in he says like we got to squash our beef because that's his answer to what are you doing here and after that Rody then it says again why are you here and fury's like oh can't get anything past you and it's such a like what you actually like you came here just to have a drink and say sorry let's be friends like it's such a weird the whole every lie it's just the source dialogue is so shit it's insane and then fury says I have it on good authority there's a scroll mole near the president all you got to do scroll mole he says all you've got to do is keep my mouth all you got to do to keep my mouth shut is to give me my job back I really want my job please so I assume that's all fake because he is just trying to get the tracker on him but is the implication that he does indeed know he's a scroll let's put it this I mean he has to know if he doesn't know he's a scroll he absolutely should he's got all of the evidence he needs and clues if he does does know he's a scroll then he needs to contact the American government beyond Rody and say you've got a scroll right next to the president and you can test this easily because that's that's detrimental as hell you got a scroll right next to the president all he has to do is assume the president's form kill the president get rid of the body and whatever government related way ever and then he's got the he's got the role if you believe that something bad is about to happen to the president what's to say that if you intervene and it fails he doesn't just shoot him in the head it's kind of insane and he doesn't treat it that way at all he's just kind of like I got the tracker on him ye remember they're tracking them to what's gonna happen next and you guys remember what happens next this episode right yeah yeah we got we got big events every episode we're probably coming to this episode big event but this drink is fire love it yeah I didn't hate his performance overall but then he always ruins it with cringe lines like that at the end well I like it I'm fine with don't you know they obviously told me to play play the role a little different because you're you're a scroll but like it's cringe he didn't play the role differently for the last like several appearances though that's how good the girls are actually picked up some quotes and stuff for the end of discussion yeah we can talk about those that director talks a lot can you stop it's not helping it's just making everybody mad so they follow Rody he meets with the president and this is kind of weird moment where he's like when it comes to Russians you've got to project strength eat pushing as long as you feel flash but as soon as you feel like metal you got to stop not entirely like I guess it's like push for as long as you're able to push but then don't push when you can't push it's like useless information basically but the president just says like have you been pre-gaming before I would buy lateral with the Russians man came straight there with rum breath yeah why would you do that I don't know and I'm surprised the president was okay with it it's like some of the most unprofessional shit ever this is like an incredibly important beating to like if you weren't always giving me the bestest advice ever then I'd be upset at you but you're so darn good at telling me what to do I am so dumb so to catch everyone up in case you're not familiar with what's about to happen you got the motorcade filled with all kinds of Americans and then you got Gravic and his men in helicopters coming in to destroy the motorcade and pretend they're Russians so that it looks like the Russians tried to assassinate the president and then World War three happens now the first question would be like surely like the presidential motive like that they would have some means of identifying incoming air like air vehicles that it like helicopters can't just ambush the presidential like if you look at this like rose like how was this a surprise that the helicopters and where was where where was the location of the ambush it was it was in that's a good question I can't remember is this is it in the you the United States or is this in I don't think so I don't think it's in America where I actually can't remember where this takes place because they just they globetrotting this with no consequences so because I don't know yeah depending on where they are location wise it should be even more difficult to basically impossible for you to just so first off you have to get all this equipment and it all has to be Russian equipment so you have to find a way to get your hands on like multiple attack helicopters like multiple Russian attack helicopters Heinz or whatever and I'm like wow you have the ability to do that that's probably an extremely difficult slash expensive thing for you to do and then you have all the guys with the guns and you have to get them to this location and have to am but like I just don't believe this this is horseshit why not just assassinate them apparently a couple people said this was the UK this is certain was that in this no way then this is absolutely possible unidentified helicopters flying towards the presidential wait yeah these helicopters came from the helicopters came from Russia Russian they flew from Russia to the UK to attack the president no way they don't have there's no way this is impossible but yeah how do they get there yeah this can't even happen this can't even happen why would you not over well this is just another instance in many many instances of films and television shows like not realizing the capacity of like the US military just like the the insane amount of like technology and planning and resources so maybe they had a killstrip happen what they had like enemy pavlo killstriker attack helicopter ac 130 I don't see that's the only thing that makes sense they summon because there's no way to make it that far in I guess one thing they could have done is that's the they could have gotten a couple of scrolls to turn into helicopters right yeah that could be it just to be explicit now graphics man they want to kill the president they need to that's their like they want to kill the president and then World War three they missled his car and it made it flip and he's just unconscious like Dan well I guess the thing is is that we've seen the you know in winter soldier those those cars like invincible basically and you got to imagine that the president has that kind of vehicle at this point in the MCU he does not this technology out there he doesn't he doesn't have the indestructible because remember in winter soldier they had like a they had a batter a mechanical battering ram that like got drilled into the ground to smash through the window and it took like four attempts before yeah you remember it like embedded into the window it rusted into like a thing before it got through and again in the timeline this is 12 years ago at this point because this show is set in 2025 or 2026 so we're talking 12 year old technology and look at that car look at that total but got chewed up ruined the one Nick Fury used yeah so of course you might be thinking well what's roady gonna do during all of this um they have one shot to show him in his car and he just sits there doing nothing the implication being of course he won't be involved in any of this because he wants to let it play out but isn't that like immensely suspicious General Rhodes did nothing in the entire like war machine where's this nanotech suit I was gonna break this up but like does it not feel like this show forgot he was war machine even though they reference war machine three times I remember Tony had a nanotech suit that he could just like wear around on his chest telling me that at that point dude roady would have inherited the Iron Man tech of course he would have nobody else would have inherited it that would have been in Tony's will he's one of the most neglected characters yeah he's absolutely the good imagine we had imagine Iron Man 4 was roady and it was the story of how he's going to take over stock industries and he's going to relinquish his role as like a Colonel to you know lead the stock industries as best he can because he's the only one that has Tony trust basically like story there yeah because he threw that all on him in his will thinking he could handle it but like the stories about how that's not a role he ever wanted sort of thing so much you play with yeah plenty to work with but like he doesn't have his war machine suit nor does he intend to get it and no one is asking like what is Rhodes doing like hmm he should be the first person that everyone's looking to in a disaster like like he should be the most important if you have the war machine suit they'll be fine and then and then of course there's also the fact that if the president is dead and the vice president's nowhere to be found I guess but it's like he's he's very high up in the line of succession for for the united states that's true yeah makes me wonder why what if they're if their plan is to assassinate the president if you can do if you just assassinate the president and the vice president exactly roady's in charge now you have a scroll as the president of the united states yeah that's not something they ever talk about in the whole show but that's a really really good point especially when you're killing one of the two yeah might as yeah you're going for the hard one yeah and it's actually like if with your resources I mean you have some sniper on a building or whatever and then you you frame it to look like a russian guy did it or or something like that and oh like this is the most ridiculously stupid way especially because I've already said the trial is the rags because we can't have a tent scene where they're trying to stop an assassination attempt those are boring and lame we have to have yeah I could have you're right I could have had the scene like that but they needed a big blowout action scene here for the trailer they stop the assassination when you have a helicopter blowing on it it was funny uh someone said the speaker of the house would have ended up as president in that scenario but the reality is you could just you just take the president as in a scroll time you could just scroll him I don't know why they haven't done that we keep talking about line of succession and everything yeah that's right like at the end of the day he could just like scroll him I don't know why they wouldn't have they've got complete access what you do is scroll the president with the the roadie one and then you can just get someone else to fill roadie or you can switch them over then once they're back as roadie would be more familiar but I just I find it all fascinating you decided to get war machine oh a great choice but you don't want the president okay that's strange especially when you've had what 15 years and a million scrolls like helicopters aren't immune to small arms fire oh yeah we gotta we gotta I mean it's bad enough when you because I see it it's one of my biggest firearm related pet peeves in media and it's in fucking everything that cars are bulletproof if you're in a car and you just duck you know and look a little concerned you're fine right it's cars are not designed to be bulletproof specific cars are designed to be bulletproof and they're quite good at being bulletproof but normal average cars are by no means bulletproof cars will punch length rifle rounds will punch lengthwise through a mid-sized car right they'll go in the front and out the back bullets are no joke and roadie roadie looks so comfortable here can you see him yeah and there's a guy in the car with him if he just turns but he's like kennel rose what are we supposed to do what does he do does he just go I think this is a big deal like you can kill by accident they thought they thought this was clever because they're like see he's not doing anything it's like no it doesn't work everybody around would be doing machine come on use your thing call someone call avengers call the corner call the po leads well do you see the also ravix man just got like they're just not using cover loads of the loads of people just walking out in the open but they keep getting isn't it great how not even looking down this don't you love again the meme the named important characters aren't wearing masks or anything they've got their faces out in the open but the non-speaking nameless goons they wearing you know mosques and balaclavas and everything but yeah but for you said yes if you take a bunch of guys with assault rifles and there's a helicopter and you all shoot a shit ton of bullets into the helicopter the helicopter's going down yeah helicopters are uh you can shoot it in places that will destroy it absolutely cool to you and they go down so there you go yeah you'll just go to your side and uh the shot it makes him like you always get a missile every time um i mean they're very susceptible to small arms fire like that's hello attack helicopters are like they're like glass cannons on you know and battlefields they can be insanely effective and damaging and quick but like they they can get shot by missiles they can get shot by small arms fire it's a you know just it's just going down all the guys will be like oh i'll shoot the big helicopter up there fury and talus arrive and talus says bloody hell it's a kill zone and then fury says the whole plan it's going to be a kill zone if we don't save the president great right all right but we have to survive now so so that we can stop that we're just grabbing not care that there's almost certainly many many security cameras in these like vehicles that are capturing this identity that he will retain going forward your identity is i mean remember talus has turned up as ben mendelson again why why do that also these missiles are just going back and forth and back and forth everyone's blowing up this is a very catastrophic plan had a strong no catastrophe that rocket was aimed so perfectly that it blew up that anti air cannon it's just you think it's what this scene really felt like it's like we've got our pyrotechnics are ready we're gonna blow up just stuff and then story will happen once we're done with that yeah whatever because this is uh an excuse to blow things up that's all this was this whole scene for the trailer explosions helicopters crashing fury with a gun it's like yeah look at that and suddenly he's super accurate like nobody's getting hit with any bullets as they're shooting for each other for five minutes but then fury comes in and suddenly he's like just dropping people and again already several scrolls have been killed so your plan is already like you failed you can't lose anyone you can't yeah not a single one yeah we're taking on a president's like convoy you're taking on like secret service are they just like everyone just stay why would the helicopter fly that fucking low and swoop in everyone's just standing out in the open and like what the fuck is this mess fury and fury super spy he ends up getting a shotgun that's it yeah it's a yeah it's a pistol rip shotgun because whatever the situation there's no such thing as cover yeah no tactics nothing it's absolutely painful and yeah the plan is to just go in and shoot whoever you can shoot and try and get the president um it's it's everything is just clunk as fuck nobody's using anything they have ready for them everyone's plans are retarded it's it's kind of hard to follow too in terms of the battle lines oh yeah it's really confusing it seems like it will get to it but it's like the most egregious one it's so bad you're shooting people everyone's shooting each other shootings happening how can we're not seeing anybody turned into scrolls oh god here it is look oh yeah graphics like i'm a getcha and it's like what's going on here aren't they gonna shoot him and then whoa whoa and it's funny because the second you see this is like oh why didn't you just do all of this yourself seriously this would have been easy open with that seriously like you got your group fingers just use them yeah yeah he is Groot and he could have just done what Groot does in guardians spiked basically everybody all in a row i even show it one at a time yeah um just fucking wow that's something that he hasn't had an extremist doesn't mean that you're immune to a million bullets being fired at you no but they don't care about that remember it said health regen 100 or something yeah okay he upgraded it he put all his points in there so also they don't notice this truck coming up the best boys and the best way i can describe this is backup turns up for the president and there's a line between graphics men just this is where they become background NPCs they just constantly are shooting we're not going to address them for a little bit we're doing something else now our guys are all here shooting to everyone's just shooting we realize like to get the president out we're gonna have to break the the window in the car but it's pretty strong and so also while this is all happening imagine the amount of lead that's flying in either direction just the random bullets that are being that are just peppering the whole area this is like if i was there i just be like prone with my head covered and just being like yep i'm just gonna wait here they never take precautions like even just seriously half the people there should be prone hiding behind you know better positions well there's just enough people to keep the fight going for as long as it goes as well it's like you all have to be constantly missing every single shot yeah we hear firing constantly but nobody's dying anymore how come ravik is the only person with an uh with an m4 but everyone else on his team has ak 74s don't know enough to ask gravity this is fucking weird i don't know i don't know why i have a better question john melvin oh yeah why are they this is the president here why are they letting some random dude punch the thing it gets even better than that right fury is currently a wanted man who's a wall from like the us government the british guys here who are here to defend the president have no idea who these two are yeah and then they see this old man trying to beat the car oh that looks bad and it's just like how do they not like go what the fuck are you doing man like what a stupid idea you're trying to punch a door open can you please move aside we'll use the butt of our guns which would be better so many different things they could have did but no they just let this happen which is really weird and then uh gravik orders his man to flank and for some reason it's in such a way that's just like look at this shot none of these guys know this is happening notice this nobody's watching their flanks he just moves it yeah this is like guys you're embarrassing come on and you just uh he has a clean shot to basically fuck up everything which is over here now i guess you're just like lined up like this one it's cartoonish they tagged ben mendelson and uh because fury's such a good lad he doesn't get him out of there instead just gets him to continue hitting the car what a what a great friend he is what a chad i guess uh and the one thing that i kind of liked here is the talos as he's trying to break open the window which is obviously an aid of trying to prevent will war three he's losing his disguise because he's losing blood from having been shot like that's an interesting rule yeah that's neat i guess which i mean i mean that would be if this was something that was consistent that would legitimately be like an interesting scroll rule the more blood you lose or the more pain you're in or the more distracted you are or traumatized you get physically the harder it is or it becomes impossible for you to fully maintain your guys yep and uh yeah and it's just it's like i'm gonna point this gun at your fucking head i guess it's something that talos would do and it just shows that he's a pretty good guy even with all the shit writing this series is given him and so you know he's good uh he just gets further and further along but he's also losing more and more of the disguise that's a continuity error isn't it he's got the pistol and i think that is i think there's a continuity error in terms of the pistol that he's holding appearing and unappearing fair enough why wouldn't he use his elbow so it takes a i don't know it takes a while but people actually start to notice that this man is literally mutating in front of them um which is insane bizarre and then like oh wait he's an alien and he's trying to get to the president this finally triggers them and then some guy is like oh my god there's an alien man trying to get to the president then nick fury goes he's with me oh the criminal all right then well so it's not even just that it's the fury you could be a scroll too like what i mean and also alien yeah like there's so many things wrong with it it's like i don't care if he's with you let's see if i don't even know who you are or what you're what are you from this planet oh it's just it's multiple things your nick fury of wanted fugitive or maybe you are also an alien he's also i don't care well the great part of it is that the guy who like highlights that gets told that by fury that he's like okay this is like yeah okay then she'll start a really busy day really is and so uh then fury grabs the president walks him away and the the the british guys are like let's get him in here and then fury goes no no no i've got my own ride so um no let's get him in here it's just it's such a like i don't care who even are you man like it wouldn't just let the president get taken by some random green dude and like yeah everything everything about this was wrong um protocol wise they wouldn't let this happen and so then he actually gets the president in his car and then locks it up turns around he sees that the soldier that's picked up uh tallows is is giving him a weird look and he realizes oh no it's gravic and remember gravic has been flip flopping on whether or not he wants fury dead but he could obviously kill him here because he has the group powers that would be pretty easy boom like so what's what's gonna happen and uh fury takes a shot and he puts it right in his face like i said he should have done that in the first episode and he would have died if he'd done it then i think he didn't have the powers on look i don't even notice or care about anything oh yeah the scroll yeah that's so weird how the helmet goes away and everything that's just bizarre now no it's okay right let's see that's like use the gear and everything and it turns out the soldiers at the end are like watching it again wait wait wait wait wait wait wait hold up uh looking at so okay it's weird that reinforce uk reinforcement yeah so i guess this is in the uk because you know patch there look they're all just standing there and nobody knows the gunfire right next to him and then that happens he looks like he stabs him in the same place he was shot well not the exact same place but it's just oh no a shoulder stab that's not fatal i don't think it's his shoulder it looks like it might be his torso but it looks like it's shoulder man it looks like his shoulder it looks like it's torso what let me see it sorry yeah that's not his shoulder maybe the jacket's messing it up either way he's fucked yeah he's dead keep shooting well the other guys still it's so funny to watch all these british soldiers shooting around look to the left fools what are they paying you for it's crazy you can't film shit like this don't do this i remember fury is shooting in that direction as well which by the way any of these guys if they turned and saw fury shooting at them exactly yeah but they just don't exist right now they don't exist it's like lads there is a fuck it that's the leader of the bad guys he's right there yeah and look it dude he's like two steps away oh fury you suck so much peripheral vision it's just they don't know about it over at disney i just thought i don't get it got him in the face but then they're like look instant extremist baby heal in fact at 100 you probably downloaded the dlc as well like who knows who knows gives you like let's you regenerate helmets maybe look at this phase from fury oh wadri you got the extremist that's so lame it's so lame yeah um and i'll admit this one i was like they wouldn't seriously kill bad bad dolls that right like no i didn't think i would ever do it here like this hated this well in accordance with the tone to this just brew they made a comment that they might not be his last appearance i guess that could be a multi-vis thing though my god they don't care so this means now all the scrolls are evil wow except the guy well guy and the wife the wife is the wife yeah but that's talos dead and it's kind of lame because i kind of like talos i really yeah i was gonna say riding there he's the one part of the show that he actually gave me some type of meaning the idea of him trying to like fix all these problems find a you know a piece for his people fix his family issues and like he's willing to you know die a martyr death to just to improve their position of the scrolls it's like it just such a great opportunity here pissed away and especially when we know what happens going forward it drives me insane the his story just is like kind of wasted that's for nothing it's so lame that like fury just drives off and leaves his corpse there it's like wow you know it's like oh i guess that's talos done yep it really sucks it's lame the fact that he's now being replaced with a way lame a character as well yeah and the guy she's so lame like he kind of had some personality and some i really like talos in terms of like not what they've displayed to me but in my head the idea there that could have worked for him with with Ben's acting you know there was there was something there and yeah man dies for nothing well yeah and it's confused because if he had died desperately saving the president maybe you could draw the whole like it's those are pretty noble act and it could play into the like the um exoneration of the scrolls but like what happened instead is he he took a bullet while saving the president for no real good reason to be honest with you because they just didn't notice that that guy was flanking and then he's like carried by someone who's gravik who then kills him and you're like oh okay like it's it's all disconnected you try and piece it together and it's like how do you even get there just teleport a gravik in yeah well he can uh he dug a tunnel oh yeah and then the dude just drives through all of the the uh british soldiers and everything to just pick him up on a motorcycle and drive away but why establish is the instant kill powers with grue and the instant self heal with extremis and then have him run away why yeah like why wouldn't he keep trying the president is right there you can just kill fury and then get the president and actually and if he actually doesn't want to kill fury because they flip flop on that all the time then just kill the president fury's not going to get in your way he's crap you can't do anything but that's it we're getting the president out of here and we're leaving and then credits that's episode four yeah it's kind of like wow he just knocked off one of them characters huh because at least with some of these shows you can pretend they don't exist kind of but it's like oh that was the end of his story it sucks why aren't you shooting the cycle so that he can't get away on it why aren't you shooting the driver because that would be scary okay i mean he's driving a bmw that's reason enough oh there he is he's he died dead mendelson oh my god not like this at all he has he has he has been mendelson yes there are two episodes left yeah well at least it only gets better from here yeah yeah they're like we could make more stories where ben mendelson is in it it's like why'd you kill him you moron why would they waste that he's yeah just we're a place and you don't kill him president's taken into hospital and fury's gonna sit outside to make sure nobody gets to him which is funny because it's like this first person that comes along with higher authority than you tries to arrest you whatever you're just gonna kill like what's gonna happen and then the like you're gonna do a scroll check the thing you never usually do yeah whatever yeah so we head back to gravix hq and it seems the pagan his number one guy is like motherfucker you didn't kill fury when you had the chance you're a weird person and uh i guess it's good that we killed talos and then he says our target was the president our war is delayed because had you stolen what you were supposed to i would have dominated the whole fight so much to unpack here like uh oh what white stolen white what is that well i mean what element the the i think we were told at some point i don't know if i mentioned it but like the the dna pieces of groot and wherever else was stolen by this guy this guy was going to different places to get him and um he was supposed to have gotten a lot more the main thing they want is the harvest that's going to come up a little later just a little pin in that um and so yeah this conversation starts with like who we killed talos he was like our enemy and then he says we were supposed to kill the president and i would have had you found the harvest sort of stuff and it's like you could have killed him anyway what do you mean i was i mean like he was right there you could have just poked him and that would have been it group fingers i don't get it at all and then um the guy says in response i could tell fury never trusted you because i searched all the locations and there was nothing there no avengers dna like fury never trusted and he's like what's going on and then and then gravic kills him just in front of everybody just impales him with the groot powers yep he asked these questions and he just kills him really fucking strange remember this started with hey gravic isn't it great we killed talos victory and that ends with gravic killing this guy so fucking strange and it's like yeah because we need to so discontent with these guys basically this is the point where they're like well no we need to make gravic super evil as if you already was like it's if you want everybody faceless he calls them all faceless like ponds or whatever it was we're like okay like what do you you're just setting yourself up to get betrayed it's still stupid i've got to put more evil you know now now you gotta put more of the evil in as if again nuking the world wasn't already like evil enough piece of shit already we didn't need oh yeah he gets the actually the call he makes right now is like uh rhodi keep the president alive and tell him this scrolls in russia and then rhodi's like what the fuck plan is this and he's basically like convince him there are scrolls where there actually are right here and tell him to nuke this place in russia so it'll piss off russia and it'll kill all of the important people that are stored here that will surely generate world war three because that's all he's been trying to do this whole season basically the whole point that he is he's he's willing to surrender all of the lives of these scrolls as well he's just willing to kill everything at this point because he's lost his mind most mcu villains do this eventually but he already lost his mind so the losing of the mind part is kind of irrelevant well yeah his plan was already batshit and sane and crazy and now it's like oh well you know now now it's even more crazier um so rhodi visits the president but nick gets the jump on him and he's like you're a scroll you hey don't call him that i just did and you can't stop me scroll you're a scroll you're a scrolly scrolly scroll scroll you scrolly scrolly scroll you and uh he says in order to out me nick you'd have to kill me and the footage of you killing maria hill is gonna release in 60 seconds and it'd be so awkward if you're is like i just recorded that what do you mean ouch you what are you talking about just come on that's a bit suspicious isn't it mr friend well it got confusing because he they say it in front of this god that we were like is the god a scroll or not he might yeah he'd have to assume that he's just a guy doing his job protecting rhodi i think we concluded that they were scrolls i think we're wrong because of the finale episode i think they're all normal they're not scrolls yeah which means this scene doesn't make any fucking sense at all they all get dotted instead yeah killed they don't get killed i don't go and then turn back into scrolls remember the severe lack of all of that happening in the last action scene because remember at this point there should be a lot of scroll alien bodies just like around and zero russians well yeah if he shot rhodi in the hand and then like you know did a nick fury like and hit this guy in the head that's the left him to prevent him from doing anything then he would dehuman himself and then he'd be out and he'd be over that's all he has to do yeah he could use it i mean and if he's going into this prepared he could literally just take a knife make a little cut and then hold up the purple blood and the guy's like oh shit or he could like look at this god and say listen i know you you probably think i'm crazy or that i'm a scrawl or whatever but trust me this guy is and we can do a really quick and easy test on both of us actually i'll chop off a bit of my beard there you go look it's real wow crazy all right now it's time for rhodi you know what we can all do it all three of us why not it'll be fun and then rhodi'd be like no you got me oh that could that could have been a really intense scene where the guard was like he didn't know what to think or do he's trying to protect rhodi but nick fury is there and so yeah he has to something we have that scene that stand off where he's like i'm going to do the test he likes to make fury would have thought of that and like yeah it's not this bump this guy yeah i just need to get a glass of water i'm thirsty i remember and i stand off with a guy that would have that would have fun so rhodi's like just leave and then he does and they've all got guns on him and they could stop him and i just don't understand what's happening anymore does gravik not want to stop the man who keeps trying to subvert his whole plan why do you stop him he's he's constantly being an issue for you like don't want to kill nick okay you don't but i do want the assassin lady to kill him earlier though i want his wife to try to kill him they don't want him dead it's they can't make up their mind like it's literally contradicting the next scene when he says i needed him every time they try to kill him they ask hey do you want to die and he says yes they're like oh well we can't give him what he wants all right we'll ask tomorrow and by the way he's now sure wanted worldwide for the murder of maria hill as of now um he's they've also got a clip of taylo saving the president and it says suspected alien involvement in ambush of u.s president convoy suspected yeah but it's clearly okay but sure yeah that makes sense um so yeah we have uh livia colman goes to that guy that she was mentioning had her hands tied up in terms of sawing stuff out and she says um uh where where is the doctor that helped gravik live where do they live and he says what and she just shoots him in the hand straight away and it was funny right because i think rags you were like how is this not alerting people and they come in straight away but it doesn't matter because he's already revealed he's a scroll now because he's been shot in the hand and it means the hand turns to scroll i guess and then she's like see he's a scroll and they'll go whoa okay yeah it's like why show me this he was supporting her entire institution and he's made sense lady yeah she does the obvious thing that nick could have done to rody but didn't for some reason what if nick just shot him in the in the hand and then just use him as a body shield until the scroll hand showed that's all we have to do and then side by side does that not just feel like intentional to you like just just make him a dumb ass it's there's no excuse when you show this tactic by her and he just is completely worthless in the scene before in the same situation so annoying because again this is why i kind of like kicks like oh you did a smart thing it's like no she just did a normal thing and no one else gets to do anything it seems smart compared to everyone else in the show but this is just like a you know basic tactic that's what we should do yeah we just need to do some scroll tests and she's even like because she says i have to inform you the s is has no policy on killing scrolls so unless you want to enact even less you want me to enact my preference you should start talking we're just like that's that's okay lying compared to the others yeah it's pretty based on red pill and she wonder if someone else wrote it seriously every scene with her is like where was she was like oh no thank you i'll do my own lines maybe oh okay that might be it so anyway uh the the intern guy that we've been kind of following the story of briefly he says why did you kill pagan and gravix says he failed us then there's a pause he just goes oh you scared then he goes yeah maybe a little bit yeah for us to go randomly kill us yeah like are you what's what's your problem like do you not think that people might be scared after that just so you impale one of their guys but yeah i'm fucking scared you just killed one of us for no reason at all yeah and so they all attack him this is an ambush and he kills all of them obviously because he has superpowers i don't even know why they tried this gun they all like go at him with it's funny though yes i didn't even have a plan yeah well one of them tried to strangle him with a bag which isn't okay idea you could do that while stabbing him while shooting him but yeah no one has guns even though let's just say we're planning this i'd be like guys what if he grutes all of us exactly which i mean he could do you need to like get a grenade on him from it yeah do we need to hit him in the head with like a 50 caliber sniper rifle exactly we can get those yeah we can do it yeah we just do that the second he walks in the door just just just shoot him in the back of a head with a 50 caliber sniper rifle you're in rushing get your hands on the links or two and then just yeah that's it and then elect someone else in charge he's less crazy and unstable yeah and also be like how did he turn into Groot uh well i guess yeah at this point they've gotta know about that right they've gotta know they would have seen the battlefield there's gotta be someone else who went home with him so yeah they should know so happened you know it's like they don't talk about like how did how did you get powers do we get those powers too are all of us gonna get powers or is it just for are you using those just to like rule over us are you gonna be like an evil dictate are you gonna be like mecca hitler oh and by the way he like grabs this guy who's barely conscious and slices his throat in front of everybody and it's just like okay graphic pro tip you killed one person for no reason and it made like seven guys tune on you and you've now killed all of them in front of the rest of your people what do you think is about to happen what's the next wait wait wait a second why is why is he wearing his outfit if he's a scroll i'm so confused we're all just keep wearing their outfit i guess if they want to yeah okay so he only he only changed in captain model they have like these super duper space sci-fi suits that they were that they can that they usually default back to but i guess here he's just like yeah i really like this jacket you know so these are just clothes clothes and no nanotech clothes too oh okay but he kept the nanotech clothes on but only changed his skin which probably takes more concentration in the moment yeah i guess selectively only change your skin and not your like your nanotech clothes your biotech clothes so i haven't thought about it that much fury and gaya have a little chat and she does the exact same thing she's been doing same delivery and then same sort of shit where she's like my father died on a foreign planet on a foreign road and nothing will come of it it's like hmm why did that happen again oh right because of the graphic the guy you're helping or have been for a while you could have stopped him you have the same powers yep you could have stopped him but oh well your dad and the way she delivers this is like this is everyone's fault but me it's very annoying her fault specifically and she says she ran away because he is she knew he would lose like thanks for helping him when you have invincibility almost yeah you could have won if you were there you have the same powers as graphic you could have stopped him there's a dusty ass room it is do not clean this place i thought they live here and by the way fury says like he chose the struggle he didn't lose you can't let grief paralyze you he told me how you survived your execution it was like well yeah she gave herself superpowers that's pretty easy decision i think there's no drawbacks it's so lame like yeah of course she did adorable wouldn't you make it seem like it's a crazy decision she made yeah that's the just though that's just the right move to make isn't it and then she's like i need to bury my father and then he says take your father to my wife she'll know what to do and i was like that body is with the british government yeah like who would have retrieved it nobody would have no way she gets to have that body that's not happening scene there must be some scenes that have been cut yeah because i don't think that is they had yeah how do yeah yeah i never thought about that how do they have access to the body the government would be like holy shit aliens british government would want the alien body yeah yeah holy shit aliens look at the aliens poke them be dissected while they're talking they've already been you know dissected yeah good stuff now over to Olivia Coleman again which is a bit more she's got more competency to do so it's good these two the two doctors walk in the room and she's like oh hello scrolls which i thought was fun and they're like who are you just says who would you like me to be i'm good at being your bestie but i'm devilishly good at not being that okay called death which i thought was fun as well because she's just more lively i feel like she's alive when i watch her personality and she's kind of fun to listen to and she's acting it's a character where we're stopped by the groans it's like a character yeah in a movie crazy crazy idea um yeah and then she says uh oh dear this is a clerical error nigel we're going to have to talk to someone about being fired or shot because this keeps happening and she's talking about nearly dying and then he's like i'm my name is not Nigel and then she's like no no i'm talking to the man behind you with the silencer at the base of your skull and he's like hey that's kind of fun too and you know having a gun on her that she could die at any moment but she's just steely nerves that's also fun kind of makes me wonder if maybe she's in something else she will have a chance to be a character like that's beyond the kind of she's kind of a gimmick as of this show but that's still pretty good for the amount of screen time she has i'll take a gimmick she's doing well with it like if you're gonna make a gimmick at least have someone who like if she seems like she enjoys it if they made it like a full-on character in a film that's actually like not shit it would be really funny if she ends up being like the best person in the MCU because they're like annihilate everything else take for a second she literally might be one of the best characters in the MCU right now currently just based on like what have we got by default she's in the mix like everyone is trash name someone you're invested in i don't give like i'd have to think about it for a second if there's someone i actually care about what's basically spider-man basically yeah specifically rocket rocket yeah specifically rocket cragglin is guardians three worth check also i wasn't i wasn't a big fan of the second well most people would say yes but uh yeah i almost want to say someone who didn't like the second one do you think i should bother with the third because i don't like after they reset Gamora and gave ruin that for me well it's tough to say because we were in the minority of not liking guardians three at all it had a lot of big big issues and it does a lot of damage to quite a few characters hey charo how you feeling about how you feel about these days let us know because as much as you tell us how right we were you like watching us break things down but sometimes you know you might be like hey you know what i loved it anyway i haven't seen it boo didn't watch it have a watch holy shit i guess i should not be surprising actually should it oh john walker john walker he's gonna walk because it's another one of the best characters in the mc yeah yeah yeah it's gotta be in there yeah i they need to make an adventure out of them i haven't seen it i want i want john walker and rocket to meet and watch it was okay missed it hated it terrible great we've literally got every opinion so who who do you think was wasted more rhodi or the winter soldier the winter solver probably because of the connection to cap and the connection to ironman rhodi i think uh i would say that rhodi is is probably the most squandered character in the mcu when you when you realize he's been in it since the first film it's insane this is why i think this conversation is interesting i would love to see what everyone's opinion is on it is because you can get so many different perspectives of what you define as as waste and there's so many character rocks and stuff like he has had things going on for him whereas right yeah he's basically you basically get breadcrumbs you get like belly anything right like that little conversation that he had with nebula which at this point we have to pursue way on that one we get that later because everyone's already talking about it chat we haven't gotten to it yet rhodi's fine okay there's a scroll it took over and probably like yesterday i don't know it's fine in the winter soldier at earliest yeah this is a very recent plan yeah it must have been i'm sure it is definitely there wouldn't be any reason to assume anything otherwise for now and uh yeah i in terms of overall waste you could probably pick anything from the mcu honestly this argument should be made about all kinds of shit like you know like scott witch for example walker would have saved the president yeah i remember hearing you say that you ranked her pretty high in terms of your characters i really like scarlet witch and they destroyed the fuck out of black widow i really liked and they destroyed the fuck out of it black widow is like number four or five for me that one is like i'm one day i will make a video on that i just that one black widow is famous for being one of the only people to survive end game like as a character pretty much she's not unscathed but she does a lot better than most between i'll give both you guys credit of that majorly um fringy really highlighted to me in his end game video how much she like was the only good piece of that movie in terms of character work and i really do like pretty decent and then black widow just fucked everything i i didn't realize how much i've got like my favorite superhero is probably batman for the grounded aspect and i just i just i really like the concept behind it and there's aspects of him that i really see in her the fact that she doesn't have powers and it comes much more about her will and her tactics and they just shit on all over that like just like one again what they did the theory in this was basically black widow yeah because they went for his spy achievements in this and they destroyed them all and then they went for his competency and they destroyed all what they do to black widow is like they took the fact that she loves family and told us that she ignored and practically got rid of entirely her core family that she was with it's like it doesn't make any sense possible thing it's like yeah well that's what she did and how and you're like okay and then she has to apologize for it just like fury has to apologize for all his mistakes it's like this this didn't happen stop telling me this is what happened it didn't happen you're not clever and then they're like don't you rewrite history it's like you fucker they should they should do that every time they retcon something tell the other character you better treat this as true i don't know man everyone needs to be like this terrible person to abandon everybody like how many times are they gonna do this it's just what if we just ruin everyone it seems to be the strategy instead of what if we just allow them to keep being a hero that we all like is like no what what if we just tear them down and shed all over them isn't that clever insubversive crazy the black widow jail scene and then re re blowing up all those cops it's like the same thing over and over again i feel like yeah it seems the same oh there's so many of those yeah what if we make a zombie movie but the humans are the real monsters oh no one's ever thought of that before a second that's a genius idea so anyway we're halfway through this episode already by the way yay good they really do seem to just keep getting quicker which is cool and i don't even mean that from a sense of us covering them i mean like actual time codes but anyway the um the they take the scientists scrolls people out of their house they're gonna take their information and burn it all as this is happening can you see this this shot here we got got security men on the left then olivia then the two scroll people and then guy throwing like assume molotov into house where it's burning okay cool then they show us this guy uses scroll power to break out of handcuffs because i guess they didn't know the scrolls can do that large don't know he hits this security guard gets his gun while he's struggling on the floor so oh you hit me on the shoulder with your ah wow he did hit him in the shoulder wow um he's looking at why didn't he just punch her too so yeah his plan well so first of all where's the other security guard he was right over like he's doing the molotov thing he should be around but he's disappeared he's gone into the ether secondly that means there's this olivia colman's the only one left to subvert before you can get out of here now the reason he's doing this hostage situation is he says let us both go and uh i won't kill her meaning the girl he's going hostage and you're of course ask yourself why is he not just shooting olivia colman yeah shoot her there's no reason not to and of course she's just like wow you're annoying when this is actually a situation where she's got no safety net she could have died easily here yeah she looked at her face she seems like she's invincible right now when she has nothing because she knows the plot is keeping her safe this time that's exactly it yep this is kind of annoying but yeah she just like she had the gun in her in the last shot good question oh yeah wait a minute wait a minute curious yeah hold up thank you can see oh yes there it is yeah it's in her hand okay all right all right throw him a bone a bone it's good to check it's good to check you know with these things that is the after the nick thing we should check everything like yeah we have to check i can't trust my mind anymore if they lie to me they hate to me yeah he says you know let us go or i'll kill her and she says i don't doubt you for a second the males of my own species are very similar if they're not busy gaslighting you they're threatening you with murder first off wow i wonder if her bodyguards are still conscious and unconscious or like yeah sorry i we by the way we just saved your life in there yeah just to be clear um it feels like such a just like an obligatory cringe line it's just like did you have to yeah we have to shit on men we gotta throw one of those in like i'm surprised that wasn't in the trailer they usually put those in the trailer as well yeah and it doesn't seem like something is hijacking for a moment yeah that's what i'm saying yeah the character just getting you know the other person who was writing all of her lines is they it's like they didn't shop for work that day well we can do that we can write her lines throw in some cringe i'm like you know there's nothing to take from it it's just something she says randomly like okay okay and then i think people say like it's funny and i'm like okay okay whatever you say this is the one scene that didn't work this was when her it's just so bizarre it comes out of nowhere you know that aren't as good for her character yeah like her delivery is all the same as usual but it's like what's she gonna do with lines like that yeah it's true the her delivery can't save everything and i feel like the best of her is already gone this is kind of a body freeze right he didn't even blink yeah and it took her a little while but yeah that's that's him done what a loser what an idiot why is his wait so it's his okay i say comes out people i don't get it that guy in episode one the blood came out red shut up yeah but that but can you be sure for me yeah you don't know yeah names blood nothing purple is like half red kind of yeah see so um Daenerys goes to fury gf house which doesn't sense because she's spades she spared fury right meaning she knows the uh gravic knows she's a traitor which means that she should be expecting someone to come and kill her yeah um so you shouldn't even be here basically is what i'm trying to say her identity is compromised yeah she should be dressed up as fucking anybody else and so should Gaia by the way uh that's what uh yes both of them i was actually just talking about her yeah both of them flashbacks so they both got guns on each other right and uh i forget a name every single time fury gf with says are you here to kill me and it's like you probably shouldn't have taken that fucking risk if she is you're now 50 50 instead of being able to execute her on her way in she came in with a gun to your house she broke in and you know the people are trying to come and kill you are glocks the only pistols they have in this show yes and why wouldn't you just have it so that fury rang her ahead of this saying that guy is on the way don't shoot her yeah she'll identify by shouting out banana or something or cheese if you said like don't shoot guys like well who is that this is a scroll she could be anybody exactly this actually could be gravic trying to trick her you never know nobody could possibly know you're super fucked when you think it's a scroll but it could be an enemy scroll well how are you gonna prove anything then yeah they could have killed the wife lady and just have another scroll there hey waiting around just as a trap um at least they didn't switch guns like yelena and black widow and that's stupid oh yeah that was terrible yeah i'm gonna take your gift so uh rhodi explains that there is a you know powered down nuclear plant where all the scrolls are hiding in russia and that if we nuke it now we prevent them from destroying the whole world so we've got a new russia to save the world the first thing that he needs to be saying is rhodi where the fuck is your iron man suit now you'll say i lost it in the mail new route always wear it you need to always have it in the fish scroll rhodi should be invested in wearing it because you know it's you know it's really good yeah it's like it into it's a nearly it's basically an iron man suit with with an emphasis on destruction so um he says we have to nuke russia in order to defeat some scrolls and if we don't act now the scrolls will invade and destroy everything i would prefer war to extinction that's what rhodi says and he says england is also behind us and i thought that was really weird why well because i was like so the prime minister is a scroll so it could mean that she's but we find out it's not the prime minister he's talking about he's talking about olivia colman she's uh approved of this um we will get to her reasoning i don't want to spoil it because i don't think you guys are going to remember it's so fucking bad i can't i can't actually quite remember it's like a form of leverage for rhodi to say that england wants to blow it up too i guess and like that but it's an absolutely insane idea and she already knew we'll get there it's fine because then gravik and uh fury just have a little chat on the phone you know why i had like gravik just gives nick fury a phone call he just has his phone number how how uh you know you know he just does i'm a nice little cat waiting for you to call like he was expecting and it's it's a nice cringe conversation as well like every conversation with gravik yeah there's nothing to gain from this i have summed it up as gravik says if i don't get what i want which is the harvest then the president is gonna bomb new scurlos with the beginning the war and uh also don't just bring me the harvest bring some iodide pills because the reactor room could be a touch aggressive the set i have like a outfit on for that it's it it didn't need to be that way but they've made it that way and we'll talk about it again yeah i guess like why bother you know why bother having to be a thing hey you know whatever oh well guys look what oh what look who it is oh my god it's it's guys from black widow it's uh quinn jet acquirer yeah man it's so awesome to see him back yeah he's on the you could tell by the hat he's on the b team here he is uh i know it's been a while and everyone's waiting for his new sort of contribution to the mcu and uh excited to say here it is and it was really funny because there was a tweet said like so awesome to see him back and then there was a viral tweet the quote tweet is saying who the f**k is that they said this guy is the glup shidow of marvel glum forgettable character i love glup shidow he would just spawn whenever they needed in that movie was like great oh and then of course he takes a moment to say that furious s**t by the way because yeah he hadn't done it he's a new character see it's fine yep good to get another one in he's like you should be contractual out of there even more furious who are you i don't f**king yes maybe just i guess so it was a great caveat why do you why you hate and stop oh everyone just says that's terrible but then they have a funeral for halos because i guess they at least remember to do that um how'd they get the body cut up and then that's a good question they say uh you know she's like i don't know the prayer and then nick fury's wife starts going like start conjuring a demon it's just like that's those are the words of screllos or something it's just like this i was sure it was like dragoona macoites akuna mata uh yeah it's very emotional i guess is that supposed to be a wedding ring i don't know what it is on the on the thing because that is a very thin wedding ring well maybe they like the winner here maybe she's still chilling here when she knows that they're coming for her maybe yeah why the f**k would you be here maybe it's a special scroll ring that changes size based on you changing into things you know so that'd be great there you go it's a nanotech ring i mean yeah i guess you don't you don't ever have to actually have a ring because you can just have one like you could you could choose to look like yourself but with a ring so that only the ring is that was what changes right yeah and do you even is like on scrello certs in scroll culture do they even have like tailors or like clothes because you can just like make them appear right so you can just like would you even need to make those i don't well i guess i don't know i guess the whatever the nanotech like little thing is i guess maybe there's tailors who work on the nanotech little thing if you needed like a pan if you're in a kitchen could you like make a pan i mean it's the problem with as long as you kept as long as you kept your hand on it right only if you like take the role of a chef you get the hat on the pan because you can do the hat in the pan yeah and as long as you hold on to the pan it stays a pan right i assume see these thoughts casually come into your head just like curious about it but i feel like they never had these discussions like even out of just for fun it's just nothing they didn't play with the the concepts or ideas at all just waste in every category they have themselves if you if you are a scroll and you transform into someone with all your clothes and you keep that illusion or you keep that form for a long time but you eat a lot of pasta and carbs and cake and ice cream and you get to be a big fat fuck right does that mean would you could your clothes would you be tighter inside of your clothes or would your clothes like expand along with you it seems like uh because it scrolls can like take the appearance of people who are considerably different sizes to them yeah which i guess you have to assume that there is no such they're less dense well i mean it's it's the problem that you're going to get in with any shapeshifting thing right like because you know like a milli o'clock scroll lady impersonates much larger people than herself so you just have to presume that they can like i don't know their metabolism means that they can never be fat or that if they're fat it doesn't matter because they could just change their cells to not be fat yeah they could all look really really good all the time being a scroll it's like adam it gives you no excuse to not look beautiful i probably don't gain weight so anyway there i'm in chat and uh gaya says i told him he was a failure what kind of daughter does that make me like pretty awful yeah explicitly awful yeah you killed a lot of people and then lady says uh last thing i said to fury before the snap was if you spend all your time looking for aliens you might lose the one you married i'm i'm just like i don't care okay you were invented in the show and you're pretending that these characters have massive history when they don't yep uh then she says why does gravic want you dead like disobeying orders and like well why wait for him to kill you kill yourself scroll lady says i love this house i had to find a place of privacy security and lots of light then they start talking about how nick fury likes this house and it's just like did we seriously just say the reason that she didn't leave is because she likes the house nice guys good job it's gonna be hard it's gonna be difficult to like the house if you're dead and this place has shit security she broke in by pushing the door we saw that yeah open windows like there's less walls in this house than the average house look at all those well you have lots of light that's what she likes about it there's lots of yeah oh yes security well she says security and privacy too rags security and privacy and lots of light is like well which one is it well you would think that nick fury's house would have a bunch of like automated turrets or something that would just pop out of the walls safe room maybe like his wheels yeah exactly yeah you would think he'd have all these things all these exactly he should be the king of plan bees but remember this is the world of of like super advanced ai right like friday and uh and um i can't believe i've forgotten his name javas you know and they've been around for like nearly 20 years in this timeline at this point they just ignore it everything they established just ignore it so there's a chair and scroll ladies like oh fury would sit there reading a book and i'd get lost watching him like that for hours just a really normal thing it's it's perfectly normal to say okay the not normal right out of the bitch is creepy as hell he's trying to be romantic he's really bad at it all the time you have to understand but it gets weirder anyway because it rolls through when they love each other as they stare at each other for hours silently gaius says in response to that did he ever get lost watching you in your own skin it feels like a weird thing to say when we've never seen you as an alien it's just fucking rude what the hell like my new business we just had someone that we both heavily appreciate have their funeral i'm sharing something about how i love my husband and then you just said yeah but was he racist like what the fuck or it's like does he like looking at you naked i don't dedicate them getting hijacked by the writers man like she wouldn't say this that's just stupid no of course not and and the ladies like that's none of your business and i was like wow yeah true it isn't that girl you know it might have been her best scene like putting her in her place i don't know what the fuck that thing to say this time on boss weird as we drift back into that earlier question of why she's still at the house right she says after that happens you're young you don't know what it takes to build a life with someone to sustain it when it comes to facing my executioners i want to meet them head on instead of in some dark alley like what does that have to do with anything like what just happened the conversation like got split into and moved around until it like what so now her reason is i want to face them myself i don't want to be killed in a dark alley it's like they can't get you as soon as you switch to any random human being exactly they can't find anymore this is some ant buru logic like let's fight them off it's crazy why can't you just be not stupid um but yet when she's having this little rant uh what they don't realize is that gravix men have arrived and they both standing still and talking and the first shot is fired and it misses no they're not standing still they're sitting at the table yeah i do sit down for a second yeah and then they're sitting down at the table yeah the tea the tea yeah they do sit how did you not sit in oh that that that oh it's because i see oh i thought they okay i thought they were sitting why did you shoot that how did you miss that dramatically oh shit it's like fuck your tea and you even shot like the bottom of it somehow it's so funny it's at this point by the way that the guy immediately says you hide i have group powers and extremist powers and cold indian powers so you go away and i'll handle it and then the director said but wait what if i have them both use shotguns and pistols back to back like iron man and and war machine kind of but like but scrolls with guns and they're two awesome women fucking up this whole house of mercenaries trying to get them um by the way all these guys they kill you don't hear any noises no you don't see any scrolls and their blood is red again yeah i'm pretty sure the blood yeah this is red splatters and so what's the deal all the bullets in this entire fight not one bullet this is the two heroes not a single bullet hits our heroines the power of shotguns is like unaffectively portrayed in movies like well yeah whenever you shoot someone with a shotgun right it makes them fly back very very far saying and yet somehow you don't move at all yeah do you have an example in mind of like a really good shotgun scene in terms of the portrayal uh there's probably a bunch but none come to mind i know in the last the john wick four the the priest pulls out a shotgun and shoots john wick and he flies back like 20 feet but the priest doesn't move at all and this is like why are you using a shotgun when you should probably be using a submachine gun or an assault rifle wait a second how are you both like extensively trained in firearms yeah sure yeah i was wondering to i'd like this guy here who was just shooting rounds at him i guess none of those bullets hit him what was he shooting at they were just standing still yeah look at that blood look at that yeah and it's funny as frene said the stakes here for these two are completely different one if you get tagged in the face she's just dead the other she's fine she's not going to get killed by anything here yeah but they treated as though these two have to work together and they both have the same thing to lose this is like god this sucks they look at it like this epic action scene but this is just such damage to her character she should have left why did they she stayed why didn't she help with her powers they wanted to put the backpacks on what were the backpacks for their guns in them that's where they got the guns from oh okay it's weird because when the scene starts yeah yeah when the scene starts she grabs the backpacks and hands them over but then like i guess uh gaya just knows that the this is how that works because like you see this happen this happened and she just pulls one out of the back and it's like wait did you know that was there and that's how that works are you familiar with these i don't know i don't think there's any reason to think she would know that exactly why wouldn't you just be normal they never be normal here's the gun just hold the gun it's it i know you're about to say well it's like this is so boring isn't it well like i was going to say like look it's always a cliche like oh you're so fucking look at that shock and yeah go you get them and it's just like it's so boring you're just invincible and none of the bullets will hit how much more interesting would it be if she actually had to show some struggle and like you'd not be an expert with the gun immediately these new powers that she has have been taken you know they weren't earned they were taken there's a lot of that going on with a lot of the new characters powers where they just they just fucking fall out of the sky onto these people there's no kind of struggle it's gonna it's gonna get a bit more dramatic uh next oh god yeah so oh boy that whole scene happens and sucks fury gets out of uh like customs and shit because he's actually using the fucking widow's veil for the first time in the whole goddamn season i couldn't believe my eyes where's amazing whole show that's you don't approve of the white face personally but all right you know it's fair enough and yeah this is what uh disbrew was referencing it's a really weird line um oliver colman says let me get this straight a billion dollars of research and development and all the widow's veil can cloak is your face the implication of course billion dollars that's that's a steal the implication of course being that surely it should be able to cover you fully and fury says you're thinking of the new one this one only does the face so there is a new widow's veil that allows you to do scroll things i think you mentioned that earlier like a thousand hours like i remember now it was an hour three i think we mentioned this it's insane oh man because these veils it's just like this is that with the the bucky with the makeup just the fact that something as simple as makeup should have you on red alert but the fact that these things have been in throughout the entire series but like doesn't it as a piece of tech defeat the entire idea of the series like isn't it scary that scroll the scrolls could be anybody it's like you already have the tech you just said you already have that they don't even play with the scroll idea why would they notice that you know they just they don't know what they're playing with so he starts asking us some questions why did you back up rody on the new scrollers thing because again we need to get a motivation on that that's a really weird thing that she did she says yes fury of course i did because in the absence of the the my she says my scaled superior meaning the guy she killed she's now in charge of the sis and last i checked she says this last i checked the us and britain were allies so if okay so no because britain thought that the united states set off a massive bomb in russia with virtually zero evidence suggesting it was the americans and so i guess they're not that close after all and then britain turned up at a american modicator for the president and watched a bunch of quote unquote russians attack it but then it's they would have seen a bunch of scroll bodies and been like what in the fuck is going on and apparently the americans then said to the british there's a bunch of scrolls in this place in russia let's nuke it and britain were like sure bro well we are allies yeah and that's her reasoning we are allies let's start a war let's start let's start a nuclear war with russia let's start a war with russia our allies after all we are allies okay yeah dumb ass you would think she'd be smarter than that you would think she says why oh yeah by the way she doesn't know that rodie's a scroll the fury hasn't told her that yet why the fuck doesn't she know yet like how does she suspect she should be like she should be calling every world government in saying hey uh we just found out that the person in charge of the sis was actually an alien shapeshifter so you should probably uh go find all of the people that you take orders from and you need to have like a you need to sort this out all right because well this is like we need to like pause the earth for a second so we can find out if anyone else is an alien shapeshifter from another planet but i guess she doesn't phone the united states or anybody and tell her about this discovery remember when we said like why isn't fury telling people the rodie's a scroll and it's like yeah he tells her in this scene and then she's like whoa what like why haven't you told people earlier than now what's wrong with you and then she says why would gravic want to blow up his own people and fury says leverage he wants me to give him the harvest otherwise he's gonna start will war three by blowing up that base or whatever all about the harvest and uh sonia just goes along with this she's like all right that's livid colman's character's name so then she's like what is the harvest then fury says some and it's so funny because i think there's people in chat right now just not going to be ready for this there's so much crap to come fury says nearly every avenger spilled blood in the battle of earth even carol danvers in the aftermath some were sent to collect the dna nobody knew but me and the collectors led by gravic that's where he got the idea for the super scroll machine can you get carol danvers dna it's like how do you get a dna like how there is so much to unpack first of all i didn't know that she could actually she flies through ships and comes out unscathed she seems to be indestructible contain the power in the punch term maybe i feel like that would be the one thing you could think of but they would have made it explicit in that scene and i like rocked her but she seemed pretty unscathed to me like can she believe but uh i mean but then there's just the it's like okay so now this raises questions if let's say certain characters have been abducted by the scrolls as far back as um the events of civil war before endgame so i guess gravic was a was on fury's side up until about 2023 sure what we'll have to conclude okay i'm sure that doesn't present potential massive continuity like just breaches a continuity but even then the idea of like oh yes you collect all of the avengers dna and put it in like a little vial and what oh well i guess he can put it in his super scroll machine and just get all the powers in it funny yeah you just drop idea that they grab a bit of blood you pop it into a machine the machine says little bit of a drax you're like what yeah you just it's just it's like plasmids you just stick it in and squeeze it and boom now you've got drax now you've got drax arm which isn't really a superpower so much as it is just his arm which is really weird can you do that with him you know what does it mean to be able to synthesize because some of those people's powers don't have anything to do with their like anatomy and some of them some of their powers are derived from like for instance captain marbles powers derived from the tesseract i don't know what would it be about her dna like wouldn't it be that the like you know what i mean is it even the kind of power that could be replicated is that even possible well they don't even discuss if there's diminishing returns or anything like how exactly there's no fucking drawbacks to any of it you only get the awesome powers and for free basically remember they get ghost ghost wasn't around an end game he wasn't there he wasn't there but how does that like ghosts blood lets you phase through walls yeah what is the same thing happening they did the same thing with taskmasker having black panther claws when like that happened like the day before or something like that oh right because of civil war yeah i remember yep yep in no sense just met the guy why do you yeah so uh this is insane nonsense and the idea that fury thought wow we just had a big fight better send my secret scrollman to go and collect the blood on the battlefield what the fuck man and then she says so you're responsible for all this and he says yeah why do you think i came back but there's an answer for you we get loads of them across the whole show as to why he left why he came back and why he said this is another one for why he came back because he feels he's responsible for the whole thing which i guess he is because of how stupid it is because of the way the show is written he is responsible for this yeah and now uh she says why haven't you called any special friends down very mind they gave us the adr and that argument if they believed it's true still stands there's no reason it wouldn't stand but she's asking him now is if it doesn't well i say that he could tell her that reason but he doesn't he says we can't keep depending on them to save us they haven't lived my life they can't defend the world like i can the only power i have was planted between my ears by a single mother and wrapped around my finger from a woman far greater than i could ever hope to be uh this is personal and if that ain't enough then what hope do we have if that ain't enough maybe i'm just dust maybe you are absolute fucking bullshit what the hell this never came up before what you just you just what is it pride you just like i gotta solve this problem myself also i suck compared to the two women in my life that i care about never been personal for him it's never been this is just a completely new character like this is just horseshit is it so many of these scenes we're like what are you doing and you think you'd be used to it by now but they find new and creative ways to just fuck them over but this is why i think it's that was the recon from or not recon actual adr from episode three is that the first way around it would have been like don't involve them because it'll make things worse and then when you get to this episode and things are way worse he has to change the reason again right to this is personal the reason got changed in adr too they'll copy the heroes and then they'll be terrorists which would still stand if he believed in that reason right now instead now he's given a whole speech about how he can't rely on them to save him every time and also this is personal what an insane fucking what are you talking about like this is where i mean they don't remember they like they're all over the fucking place it's hard to keep track this is his show this is that if you if jamio jackson cares about this character the bare minimum should be able to like establish a motive like and there's no way i can't see him being happy with this just it's just nonsense this is embarrassing i thought he was the type of actor that wouldn't let this type of abuse go on but here we are it's over and over and over again and so yeah she says so you're just gonna give him the harvest he says exactly and then he suits up and he has a fury montage and it's dumb as fuck you're gonna give it to him you can't give it to him you have to destroy it it's funny because like after all that we've done to ruin him they're like look he's back he's got his eye patch and he's got his gun back he's at his lowest yeah this is the worst we've ever been but look at that shot they think it's cool look at him look at him go i felt nothing it's like he's an empty nonsense i'd like to directly compare this to aragorn's gear up scene and helms deep after he almost died that day he's got the blood on his finger still and he's still gearing up to lead this fucking battle that is a badass gear up scene that's how you do that shit and you actually feel something because you know how much pressure is on the line here and he's still going to lead even though this guy should be fucking like in a bed bedrest right now this is just nonsense like how are you gonna feel anything with this like you you've built him up to be a piece of shit and now we're supposed to have a badass fury moment it's just anyone who felt for this anyone enjoyed this moment you're an idiot you weren't paying attention to the entire season i think i was on that we could be going to shoot up a school seriously i don't know what the uh yeah it's uh book sign to have fury bash this is exciting look at him this is fury the gun slinger super spy so uh yeah that leads us to the final episode which will be the quickest to go through one yeah no i wonder if it's going to be the quickest to go through given i think it will i think it will honestly we've set so much groundwork for the big thing we'll complain about the big thing but it won't take that long i don't think yeah um so it opens with a conversation between fury and his wife and he just says i've gone far enough now to where it makes sense to keep going and she says you coming back and he says i'll let you go now and she says you don't have to call her mystery no i don't think so i don't know she has a name it's like sylla or something just priscilla maybe i can't remember but i'm sorry you can't expect me to remember a name that's that's all it's like isn't that peppermint patty's name in charlie brown isn't her real name priscilla yeah man if you don't you don't know so yeah someone said there was like shit tons of reshoots i'm trying to see if i can find imagery this there's probably enough imagery to actually notice it um but even the forest that they're in changes yeah between yeah oh my pretty funny yeah yeah anyway uh fury arrives but i think to to do this the more efficient way we're just gonna reveal immediately this is not fury at the at the headquarters they want us to believe it is this is actually gaya with the harvest so he would have given her the harvest dna which is all the avengers dna by the way and he told it you go get gravic i guess i feel reason to do this because they were both evenly matched at this point yep it is actually you know to make yeah it's absolutely fucking nuts yeah i guess yeah we'll talk about it when when it's handed over because at least right now it hasn't been so finally we have nick fury do something that's kind of competent and it's not even and also the actual choice is being made here are not competent um so fury uh rhodi's trying to encourage the president to nuke russia and then this person does i forget who this is the girl on the right she says this might be like the secretary of defense possibly yeah she says we don't know who was behind the attack the russians denied it and then uh rhodi goes oh they denied it i guess it's all right then i've got 30 dead russians on the motorcade to prove that that it was russian it's like what you got scrolls that are russians there's no russians like that are scrolls they're all scrolls every single one and the president would have been notified sir we were attacked by space aliens yeah the british would have captured all of them and experimented horribly on them yes as they do hell yeah they're in labs right now i'll be in like take the green pill so then she says we can't rule out a false flag and so that's correct and then rhodi says did you take a stupid pill the president almost died unless you have evidence for the idea of a false flag then get on with your job which is advising a military response to the attack there are russians moving tanks onto worldwide borders this is proof it was them obviously the russians are preparing for war because they believe america might strike them that's why that's happening it's pretty straightforward the fact that they wrote it so that rhodi said did you take a stupid pill is uh shock in it's like yeah i don't know if he should be using that kind of medical terminology here it's a little it's high brow it's it's kind of it's a little off-putting to me fucking nonsense stupid and and all she ever did was say we don't actually know that he's like you stupid or something what she should be saying is no those weren't russians those were space aliens she should also be saying i guess they could have obtained nationality which just raises more questions but still she should also be highlighting how fucking suspiciously he's behaving and she'll be like you know what's going on dude like i don't remember you being a psychopath are you okay you're acting like an actual evil person that's strange and you know what's so fucking funny is that everybody was certain that america was the ones that attacked rusher at the beginning of this series turned out that was a false flag rhodi remember that don't you think you know like if anyone said this to anyone in this room he would have to be like nah because no shut up it's been it's so hard to believe but like rhodi's basically reduced now to just evil scroll man who wants to bomb rusher so he can bomb the whole world yep yeah now uh we have something exciting will happen yeah something different so um yeah fury heads into the hq and he's well i said whenever i say whenever i say fury in this part i mean gaya gaya is the one that's doing this whole stuff but they spot a bunch of bodies from all the people graphic killed i guess all the scrolls and then there's some uh some coughing and is it implied that all the scrolls and the whole no no no no no no just just the ones he killed in that fight scene okay just in some place here somewhere locked up so this is uh pulls out a gag accountant and i wonder how he managed that how did he manage to lock them all up in the whole compound you know i don't even know what he did with the scrolls in this area can you say like he told them like to hide in some bunker or something there maybe yeah they're here somewhere i believe or are there and i they're not here like to be seen that's the that's the point there's a bit of unwrapping or unraveling to do here he's he's pulled out the guy accounted to let the audience know that it's very irradiated here and by the way he hasn't gone down to where graphic is yet he's just at the top area where we saw scrolls running around and being happy and stuff outside the building see he's right here he's already almost falling over and coughing now on your first run through you're supposed to believe like oh my god fury's gonna die of radiation poisoning oh my god this is this might be the end of fury this is horrible i want to rewatch wait a second you understand gaya is pretending that this is affecting her to maintain the facade for anybody who may be watching meaning she's still trying to approximate the kind of damage this would do all right it's worth keeping in mind it's gonna come up later for now yeah this place is radiated oh kid Oakley all right heads in i'm very excited now who knows what's gonna happen this is pretty exciting live it common calls rhodi to say fury is on the way and of course we're supposed to be thinking she's lying but no she's actually telling the truth fury is actually on the way to the president not to her graphic she says you have to move the president and rhodi seems actually scared he's like oh god like oh god we need to do some oh jesus he's on the way it's like war machine man this is fucking war machine what's nick fury gonna do to war machine but he doesn't have a suit he doesn't have anything even i would have my suit yeah yeah it'd be pretty useful and so um the security guards stop wait wait hold up um what if it has uh has it ever been in the past where tony stark suits were like linked to someone using biometrics like dna or fingerprints or something like that would that work with him why would he talk about how he's used the suit as a scroll if he wasn't able to use the suit at all he does in episode two he talks about the suit so okay so i guess i was just i was just thinking if also there's another reason why we know he can definitely use the suit as a scroll we'll get to that well i don't i don't doubt that he can use the suit but i'm wondering like should he be able to use the suit would a scroll be able to take on the the appearance of rhodi and still have the suit work for him yeah why not i don't i don't know if it if that was like dna test or something in the thing that would make it only work for him i mean the most you'd expect probably retinal or fingerprint and i assume those things get copied over in the shape shift i guess if it yeah if it can go yeah if it's to that you know level of detail that even the you know the retinal scan will work yeah yeah the gods start getting tranked that's gradually happening in between scenes getting cut from gaya and gravic meeting here but we're just gonna do all these scenes in one go pretty much so furies dropping his pills but obviously it's fake furies doesn't actually matter these are his iodide pills i guess and he's like haha you're gonna start dying quickly now because you don't have your pills loser yeah it's like okay i don't know why they included the radiation element at all like i don't see what it adds to this story in any way um well at least it can't hurt right right you might just melt you but no yeah yeah this uh this this scene contains a big old gravic speech and it's pretty cringe all the speeches run through here this is supposed to be the moment with the writers alike let me explain why gravic is this way once i finish you'll understand and you'll think wow this makes a lot of sense they failed but i'll give you the what he says he says this face is the first human i killed and i killed him because you told me to and you don't even remember the first mission you sent me on i wanted to impress you the man who promised me a home but this man had like meaning the one he killed this guy had a wife and children but you know sure yeah he was a bit misguided but i killed him because of you and every what i killed took a piece out of my heart and the only one brave enough to admit it is me that's halfway through his speech it's already pretty awful i would say pretty bad it's a little bit confusing as well it's like so we care about women and children now and families of people you kill is that something we care about all right how can your speech be filled with like it was sad to kill so many humans i'm just going to kill all of them i guess it's just it's so bizarre and yeah like the it everyone i killed took a piece of my heart it's like shut up you don't have a heart absolutely not riva this is really his river all over again it's riva it's just their only formula it's insane so continuing tallos was weak he turned war people into a band of beggars beggars i'm getting a little tired at this point i just realized we're actually coming up to nine hours we have this long boy this time oh wow no complaining yeah he says you pimped us fury and when we you were done with us you threw us out first i'm gonna kill you and then i'm gonna take a flamethrower to humanity the species you spent your life defending will die the moment i realized you weren't a man of your word yeah which i guess at now at this point there was no pretense that it's like oh well you know it's about getting a home for the scrolls which was already a terrible reason yeah to do this but now it just seems to be he wants to kill all of humanity to spite nick fury yes who is the character he's a clown awful man like what what the hell is going on and it's funny because he says the moment i realized you were a man of your word and then there's like a gap that he says you should have kept your promise it's like you said the same thing twice shut up yeah you do this all the time wasting precious oxygen but um yeah that whole crazy nonsense speech was just him basically saying i'm allowed to kill everybody because i don't like you like what the fuck it's a non sequitur it's the biggest non sequitur in history it's like i don't understand what i mean with this character even by marvel standards this is pretty bad yep makes me wonder how many people out there think that this is all what an interesting villain about but there's got to be people doing on this there's gotta be pretty instantly looks a marvel subreddit hate this i mean it is fascinating this one is the one and i don't even think it's this one i think i think it's just critical mass right how how much can you how many times can you have this happen where you get really hyped up the thing comes out and it's actually not very good but because yeah of course just how many times can that happen until you look back and go holy shit there it's been like nothing good for two years yeah it's that sudden realization that you can't look back on any of these projects that have come out and like you know it might be on the anything every corner of the mcu has now been every corner in terms of from magic to cosmic to like ground level to quantum to uh yeah like and then and then different tones from like comedy to action adventure to like thriller to like any any potential different thing that you could cling to the hope of maybe it'll be different because it is purportedly different and then it fails how many times can that happen until you know enough is enough basically i think that's all that's happened it's not that this is the worst one because it kind of can't be compared to you know something like multiverse of madness but it might just be that it was like the lost draw you know maybe with stuff like multi maybe multiverse of madness was it had a sort of complexity and multi layered nature of its story that made it kind of difficult for a lot of people to just walk in think it's bad and leave you know there's this assumption that oh it does all sort of makes sense it all does work together it's kind of everybody seems to agree that the writing sucks but the direction was good that's the kind of that's still the annoying part though like when you read the subreddit it's like decisions on what happened they're like it's because the lesson can interconnect it there's too many projects that's the problem they put out too many at once you know like there's like hardly anyone going like they're just really badly written yeah that's the main problem and they're also kind of spitefully written unfortunately right now if that's not revealed after this show then people just aren't paying attention like this is spite a tv series this is the villain the villain was to kill everybody because he's bad he's just mad that would you say this is more spiteful than she hawk where were you guys going oh she hawk is more spiteful i gotta give it to she hawk i thank you i say she hawk still wins she hawk is the show is a lot of the show's content is dictated by people the writers didn't like uh it's like a kind of fascinating instance of the show being significantly the consequence of the insecurity of the writers yeah you're right every every aspect of that show is spiteful in terms of the writing where this is just limited to fury mainly so yeah i guess that's true so uh fury's response to all of that is you're right i knew within a few years there was no planet i could find you so i had to build out a place for you on earth and it's like i don't believe you yeah we already know it's not true it's not even a belief we know it's not true you don't have to see it you've shown us these places and of course it's it's fascinating to think about how all of these things are being said by gaya and not nick fury yes keep that in mind but i think the show considers these to be accurate i think that's what the show believes that these are accurate statements even though they're not being levied by nick gravix says why didn't you get us a place on earth and then gaya as fury says because it's easier to save the lives of eight billion people than it is to change the hearts and minds of them i think the implication is what she's saying is that it was easier for fury to just pick humans over scrolls instead of trying to convince humans to live with scrolls it was easier for nick fury to choose humans over scrolls than to convince humans to live with scrolls i don't see how that has anything to do with finding a planet though unless it's meant to be could have gone to new as gods just drop them off yeah of course or give yeah just and then of course if there's a concern with the crew which is never brought up in this the only time that we hear about the crew is at the very end of this show so they're like a non-factor in this if there's a concern about we take them to another planet the crew or find them and attack them how is that not the same concern here like captain marvel isn't here they could come back and they would be difficult to stop yeah captain marvel doesn't get any fucking heat for all this when she took personal responsibility to take care of them and and she's the one who goes out into space she's the one who can go around fly around in space yep is impervious to harm meanwhile nick fury is a human being he is a old exhausted depressed useless captain marvel gets absolutely no flak when she is more responsible than he is yeah i don't think there's a single scene where they acknowledge that nope they don't it's it has nothing to do with her it's all about nick fury which is bizarre when the whole arc that captain marvel had was that she was fighting them under false pretenses essentially felt responsible for it and promised to find them a home fury didn't really like fury is helping you he doesn't really like owe you you know he probably does now after essentially using you you know to do all of his espionage stuff like made that like almost indentured service but again that's something that this show just made up yeah based on what we had like it should have definitely going into the show it should have been much more on her shoulders to get them she's got much more like like you said like she actually has the agency to go and get things on she can and she has more of a responsibility she's a better network for it she actually has like interstellar friends yeah well it's fury and and she can just move a lot more freely than fury can it should have been her responsibility but for some reason it became for some reason nick fury's history has been significantly altered to be oriented around the scrolls when it never used to be the case nope that just never used to be the case the scrolls didn't exist until captain marvel they were never considered into a well remember that we've shown on that film for retconning it's this fucking child's play a bit of this it is we never know how little how little captain like just having it be that the avengers were named after carol so like that is very that's very low on the scale of retcons at this point someone in the charges highlighted is he gonna bring this up with carol in in the marvels like then i i doubt i doubt anything is going to acknowledge all of earth was almost nuked by the scrolls and she'd just be like huh that's your problem not mine you failed them fury you failed them yeah she'll double down on shitting on him too like that's probably how the marvels is gonna start so uh you got all that absolute insanity and then he says do you know what i felt right before and use the tip flaked off feels weird but sure he says what's that and remember this is gaia as fury she says well he says whatever relief i felt relief that i didn't have to fight anymore but i finally had a way out but you're right i wasn't brave you know why i came back to earth it was you you're the youngest scroll on my team i felt responsible for you i should have taught you that you should never give up the fight but because i failed you and your people i decided to give you the harvest all the avengers dna doesn't that just sound like a bunch of crap like none of it connects yeah it's all just a bunch of like random words you didn't have a theme you did not have a theme in this show about the idea of fighting for what you believe is right even if that effort may prove to be futile in the end that was not a theme of this show no how could that come from that's just i have no clue absolutely nowhere yeah and and saying like i felt relief that i didn't have to fight anymore i was free i had a way out i was like that's that's that's not true what character you're describing that ain't fury that's not true but hey at least it could just be that gaia was lying that's the does the thing like is my edges fucking around well it could be that this is what she believes and she's wrong but i don't think i think the show considers these to be true yeah i think this show is right this is the one line that shouldn't be open to interpretation like we should know what the hell's going on here this is the hero with the villain having their final confrontation the fucking hero is not even in the room yet some imposter is like telling uh yeah it's i have no idea what rc is in the room the rc is in the room and and it's about to get crazy the craziest part i guess is like in a good show this would have been a really cool way to know exactly what she believes about fury and then they could talk about it at some point but no like we are set to basically assume my bet would be that this is what the writer believes that fury felt and that uh gaia was aware of it because remember when you take the personality you still get was it like their recent memories or something i guess so so she might be tapping into that but who knows and who cares because why would she be tell what is the strategic advantage of telling him there's anyway she's hoping that he'll be nice and leave if she gives him the uh the harvest that's what she said because well i say she you know what i mean she says go to some other planet leave earth alone leave it now call off your strike save your people and uh you know take the harvest and get out of here so that means then the like what if he took it off her like uploaded it moved her off the machine of course exactly used it and then actually said like all right i'm leaving thank you bye and then did is like would that have been considered like mission success there's no way because she wants to kill him exactly so the plan isn't that the plan is to just kill him which means i hope he activates the machine with me in it yeah and that all of this speech has nothing to do with anything this speech is all bullshit it's pointless it's a waste of time complete misdirection but i mean yeah that's that's what's about to happen there's just a delay if anything it's like it does nothing it's like we're gonna get to the same ending anyway um all right i shouldn't skip ahead we'll just go to the machine is activated but before we get to that this is something we already knew and kind of talked about but i'm just gonna read out the list quickly you scan through the dna and we see in grand total ghost captain america corvus glave thanos outright a frost beast valkyrie gamora winter soldier drax corg chatari proxma midnight captain wait did i say yeah captain marvel ebony more colob city and mantis abomination hulk chatari thaw groot winter soldier what the fuck they get what so yeah so so just already based on that list it's like okay fucking hell what the hell have you done you know who want to know what what is outright a outrider is those dog alien creatures in the alien dogs and in your endgame yeah yeah all of those get turned into quote-unquote powers which by the way still doesn't make any fucking sense when you put we kind of went over it's the best example i think or at least the clearest one for now you put drax as a being into like dna and then you extract from him a power and you get what his arm what is happening what is that hi uh well i mean is this now the point where we just talk about how you've destroyed you've what do you even start well suddenly just said wouldn't the radiation have destroyed the dna in that ball uh that's an interesting point right because the ionizing radiation would have like it would have the effect on the i mean what does it even mean to have a vial that has a bunch of different dna mixed together wouldn't that significantly contaminate each of the individual pieces of dna i don't have any fucking this is i think most people would be like it's sci-fi guys it's it's sci-fi that's always sci-fi okay they want to say that fine but when he picks it out out of the cemetery thing i thought it was really weird that he just puts the harvest that's most important thing in the world in his fucking pocket just like casually instead of actually having it in something safe he just pockets the net thing if it's supposed to be that important for some reason gravic is cgi scrawl gravic but for some reason the melee o'clock is still a melee o'clock still fury i don't know why i'm still fury when wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't he have also seen her doing the big flute in there because you hear a lot of the sounds so wouldn't he be like why what the fuck was that it should only be doing the bloop it's all insane but you know just so everyone understands because we've been saying this is guy at the whole time that means these two now have all of the powers of basically all of the mcu which means that right now these two people in this room are by a considerable margin the most powerful people in this universe yeah by anything that can be them is going to be the kevin bot from she-hulk that's about it basically the only thing that could yeah because when we talk about so already captain marvel powers puts you really high up on that list yeah then you combine that with like like the because thanos was in the dna too thanos is just seemingly innate strength uh you know drax is seemingly innate strength you just stack all of those on top and then like ghost phase powers you have like abomination powers you have ebony more telekinesis powers um who what who else do they have oh of course you've got extremists you've got group powers they've got cork powers they've got yeah like it's i i just that was the list as i wrote it out i don't know if i might have missed some or whatever but yes like she is she is because of course gravix dead spoilers shows him somehow somehow i don't even know how it's possible for to kill him we'll show it it's i don't know what the fuck happened but i you got to show them the flubon oh we'll get for now that whole fight is just trying to establish that this is the case that's what you got to understand right is that gaya gaya who who is she i'd be i'd be interested if anybody could like provide any summary of that character that isn't like what could you even say about her has stolen the powers of all of the avengers she didn't earn them she just took them yeah she just went into the machine and pressed the buttons and now she's got them and she who doesn't seem to have much sympathy for humanity at all is now unbeatable seemingly just gets the powers the oc essentially like gets all of the powers a quick update on the other scene is the all of the agents taken out except for rhodi and rhodi has a gun on him from elivia colman and then fury is talking to the president about how he needs to believe him and call off the strike they keep cutting back to it like four fucking times and that is the scene every time it's mr president call it off and then rhodi goes don't call it off and he goes do call it off don't call it off do call it off don't call it off until the whole time it's like why don't you shoot rhodi just shoot him well and all that happens i think at the end is rhodi like head butts elivia colman whatever tries to get a gun and fury shoots him in the head revealing he's a scroll that's it so i have to waste the five minutes yeah we can we don't have to talk about that scene because nothing happens this scene however what you need to be made is that they should have shot rhodi there was no tension but this scene oh my god yeah so this is graphic realizing wait a minute how are you doing that and then guys we're gonna show you all of this okay just nice and slowly look what fury does and this is how they decided creatively to manifest the powers of all the people that they've been taken look at that oh that ladies gentleman i believe is a hulk arm yeah that's a hulk arm you've got hulk powers so already you're one of the most powerful people in the mcu you just got hulk powers by the way the the theme kicks in hard here yeah the theme like secret invasion yeah i think it's a slightly different theme that's like oh my god this is it was funny yeah it wasn't actually the wonder woman theme you're right yeah someone just said like come on guys really this like this is so funny i'm showing you this and it's real this is real he's a charger from left for dead i can't remember 200 million dollar production budget here this was the vision this was the vision yeah by the way yeah it's fury the smoke and that he starts turning into gaya i don't know how he got here so quickly though how'd she get here flew with the captain all powers blue oh yeah i guess right but then of course ravick says you like an evil i am a good voice marvel powers and then she says because this can't resist just being shit she says you killed my mother and my father you are flailing you are weak yeah this is the dialogue it's so it's crash who is this character how much screen time she had in this show like 10 20 minutes the show itself feels like it's been about a two and a half hour movie it's been barely anything yeah but yes now you got show the flume bomb we're nearly there well yeah i go wait wait based on the um oh let me press live here um why is it is it off sink or something there you go look at that did they look at now look at that you are not there look at that bad oh it's so bad show smoky i feel so bad for her oh look at stremis arm is powering up everyone yeah run it's getting spooky why do you still look like a human when he looks like an alien why why do you treat this version of yourself like it is guy like you this isn't you this is a false this is someone else it's some random lady who's a parent some random lady terrorist reasons mostly but and then we'll keep using until the end of time oh yeah then he gets the four gone doesn't he well no it's a group arm and an abomination arm yeah he's and he has abomination ears now oh look at that's amazing like this is just disgusting truly an abomination there it is what is that okay i i see your abomination arm i raise you with your eyes look out coach it's a charger what were they thinking what what were they thinking let me get this on ab repeat we gotta this is the ultimate this is like the ultimate like like um like memberberry don't you recognize the thing ensemble look it this is gallador in the mcu this was one of the worst decisions i'm gonna have a drax arm one of the why would you choose to have a drax arm right now but like remember drax is like those are like aren't they tattoos he made by scarring himself i guess no they're not a part of his dna that's how tattoos work the fuck why wouldn't you have the hulk arms on all the time why would you ever have a drax arm what would be the point compared to the hulk arm just captain bubble powers in general why are you using why aren't you using the binary powers like straight away do you catch as well like the reason it looks so terrible is they had to make a drax arm the size of Amelia Clark's arm because she's so tiny it's just i don't know what can we look at it oh my goodness oh my god and she's trying she's trying to be super badass look like look at look at this you think she's like infected or something but again it's just like who is this character she's this character that was on board with gravix plan of nuking all of humanity until she found out that human beings have like family members and people in their lives that they care about and then she didn't really help to try and prevent anything and she's only here to get revenge and she enabled that by getting given the dna or all of the avengers so that she could steal their powers for herself and you're meant to be like oh yay we're gaya how exciting my favorite guy yeah my favorite character gaya she murdered thousands of people like this is bullshit you see the way that it like it it gets like the the seam between the drax arm and who like leather jacket it looks so fucked up yeah around there oh you know the guy who worked on that new the guy the several people who worked on this knew exactly what this looked like they were like well fuck it i made it smoke this looks like distinctly more rough than like any other scene in the film which makes me the film the shy which makes me wonder if this was a race shoot it does feel like look at how bad this looks yeah oh look with the drax arm look at a guy what's her radar oh look look look look at the power that is oh she used ghost power she used ghost powers because she was on the battlefield at the battle of earth right no she thinks like you remember ghost has barely any control over it at times it like ruins her brain but you've got what is that of it i guess you're actually with her being like tied to the quantum realm it's like are you now like is that is that a permanent affliction that you have i like this like oh shit when they had the same powers it's like he just seems like he's struggling over it look at him it's like oh my abomination arm isn't good enough now time for cool gob it's like why an upgrade oh god and because you know that i am all the jedi and i'm all the sith this is like marvel did it i am all of the adventures yeah yeah now she's doing it but they did it this is especially funny right it's like welcome frost beast like this is frost beast mode okay and then what's the other arm is like what's the is it draft it's cold but small cold because she's not as big as uh it's great yeah like oh my god look i'm gonna do a core as well corg is like a joke character and now they're specifically they really want to rock off a strong guy yeah he's strong in everything but like come on this is like a whole new level why would you have a corg arm this is just remember corg remember corg exactly showing you all of the powers to remind you when she should just be using captain of captain marvel's powers right from the beginning of course do you think there are people who are gonna show this positively who would just like god this is hard like this is so good because oh uh i because i'm reminded of how far we've come and the amazing cast of characters that we've seen along the way in our journey and some way to down around it uh stabbed in oh look oh look at the stand out yeah look cheese again again why is he so shit he's the only one who showed like combat ability throughout the series they have equal strength they have equal oh here comes my favorite one yeah so the Groot arm's not working out even though he never used the Groot arm like at all no but here comes the ebony more arm and look there's rings got the ring on it how he could ring the rings are apart of his dna on so yeah look so fucking dumb and also i guess when you get these abilities you instantly master them you instantly know how to use them you have telekinesis now and really powerful telekinesis as well yeah this is a really good arm when he has that oh upside the head and yeah he just extremises back to full health because that's what that does and i guess you know like there's no draw back again so you are thinking at this point we're in a jack sparrow verbosa situation like there's nobody can kill each other right now this but then the show just decides that's not true actually it's just changing their mind oh i said it i think this probably gets the accolade of worst fight in the mcu i think this is probably what three people off right is this just feels like bullshit it's not even fury fury is not even involved it's you know what is happening here basically about like this this rando character that could only have any significance because of meta reasons essentially because the actress who's playing her is famous is now got all the powers she just has all of them every single one you just you just got him she is the machine impressed about character she knew you'd have blood armor i knew they'd favor her because she's a really popular i didn't i'd never i'd never i would never i would never would have guessed this what armor she got there was the strongest person and of course it's just not a complete betrayal of the promise of the show this is the serious grounded you know television show and then it ends with this yeah this is the end door of the mcu look at this big cgi fight where they throw every member berry that they cannot you is that uh kelob city and or is like what arm is that i i actually don't know that might uh probably yeah probably is that probably is look why why did you make this the visual that is her running around in like just a regular human oh look he's got his Thanos arm on yeah he does get the Thanos arm look at that why can't he just summon a Thanos arm that has the infinity stones on the go yeah the infinity should be part of the dna why not why isn't there only some in the when they went straight dragon ball z and i just like my jaw dropped yeah we're doing captain marvel powers now it's like why did you open with this you losers this is worse than neil and smith in revolutions oh god yeah i throw that in there is worse it's so bad and everyone should have advised against this what were they thinking why were you ever doing the idea of bringing all the powers into a machine that can just plug them into scrolls what insane nonsense how was it a thing that you can just get captain marvel dna and get her like binary powers how is that even possible don't know yeah it's just oh god everything about it look at how fake everything look you imagine dude imagine what it was like to film this like they were both presumably on some strings and being hung up like around moved around the camera moves around like we'll fill the rest in later i guess so but like probably still confused like when they're filming these things like you probably see his hand there what does it look like it's it's doing like grabbing underneath her ear it's supposed to look like you're strangling her but it doesn't look like that does it it looks like he's grabbing the skin on her neck yeah yeah he's pinching her setting up the squeezer cheeks like well it's just it was shot in a way that wasn't gonna work here where you've got her fighting like a cg dude yeah look at that this is the the one that would throw a lot of people off to yeah probably what yeah it's coming he's he's doing a strangle she's gonna need to do something to get out of this you know i'm gonna squeeze you now here it comes you got second wind yeah the second wind like yeah oh my god what were they thinking marsh mellows it's uh so those who don't antennas that allow her to do that that's where the powers come from the intent mantis no no no so so if she how to use them we are so i can answer that rags it's what we see therefore they just do it as a cue to us there's no thought behind how this works biologically as i'm saying this implies that the reason mantis can do those things is because of the antennas it does seemingly maybe it is who knows oh he's gone to sleepybys now oh look he's using the full one down why doesn't he wake up a bit of yeah gravix having some maybe sleeps gravix is so shit i just i don't even like this character but he even he didn't deserve this like you just come on dude if i back yeah do something oh they think they think that guy so cool look at guy oh my god so cool we'll see you Amelia what are they doing oh my god she said this is the most fun she's had in the universe she's drunk that's because they gave her all of the powers yeah of course take this paycheck take this power bitch drink your wine like that's pretty much what happened here this is atrocious so much light and garbage on the screen well it's it's good because it helps cover up the the bad visual effects guys check out your hero look at it go there's like belly and element of this that's real it's a real that's a real car is not real no that's i think it's just her face that's the only thing that's real and that's solid it's like a slay queen it's like i don't know this goes beyond that someone in the chat just said they they made a character even more boring than captain marvel like she is it characterization we don't have anything but part of the point of how this is a strange event is we don't know what she values or whose side she's on by the end of this series she just killed gravix that's all no idea what's going on yeah that's it and it's what look at that we got a bombination arm and i think i'm not sure what the left was i think i think i'll obsidian again a column be an arm again god look at that what are you doing so bad look at those skinny legs oh my god powers again yeah she's just so much better than gravix for some reason yeah it doesn't make any sense they could have at least put it like made an effort into making it like a stalemate of some kind and just maybe we could have got some character out of her in the way she defeats them but instead she's just like god do you love that you look at the like the build of this guy and like they have to make it so that she's dominated him in a fist fight it looks so awkward he's so tiny he looks like super chungus he's like a these are chungus looking alien fella this guy is jacked and just still getting wrecked oh look this is so try hard she's going so hard like it's so lame yeah what does he say oh you're just like you're just like talos he says you're just like your father just like them she's not like she's not like talus like she's not like just regular talus's mistake was being too merciful so here she goes with her response to that why would this do anything why would this work why wouldn't he just heal well what's funny is it doesn't even look like it would have hit his heart it looks like it hits his spine mainly and why wouldn't this heal yeah i don't know he's got he's got captain marvel powers this shouldn't even work this shouldn't work with captain marvel powers you're right yeah um not to mention all the other powers Thanos powers everything yeah Thanos could tank beams from uh uh captain marvel we've seen Thanos several characters on top of that we've seen Thanos get hit by the hulk several times he tanked that shit yet this fight starts with a big punch from a hulk arm where it's like they didn't even factor that in like just no look at this man you are pathetic i win look at the pose oh jeez this is more smug than like any frame that she ever had is the nearest like this is like everything in one who are you saying like she's this is your new queen of anime worship her worshiper yeah she's great this good stuff so yeah did not expel i remember when uh the episode came out obviously we hadn't watched uh four five six at that point but i saw a screenshot of the drax arm and i was like what in the fuck is happening how did that happen i think the dream episode three you get to that i think it was a dream sequence or something yeah you wouldn't think that anything would be fucking real what it's worth to stay decently grounded until it just went insane out the rails well yeah and they thought this was awesome the people who made this in terms of like you know the right director deems mandatory i hope this is the point of fury in this whole show with her getting this payoff here well it's just again think about the state of affairs she is now the most powerful person in the mcu and she participated in a scheme that got people killed a lot of people thousands and was planned to kill all of humanity like she and and now she has all the powers and is unstoppable basically and she's just out there that like on earth potential having the potential to destroy absolutely everything the powers stole yeah yeah he who was the last character who actually earned their powers like the fact that you know the thick roster oh jeez i'm thinking actually who was uh because cassie just got the suit given to her uh oh well no she learned about the quantum realm while everybody was gone so she you know who who else was there who's new i shang chi kind of earned him right like he had to fight and get them from his dad so like he kind of earned the rings and and yeah yeah yeah he probably earned him yeah shang chi can get that uh i mean shuri had to remake the black panther flower thing she made that honestly shuri put in more work than mostly i would actually make sure so you know what yeah i guess she i guess she earned him too yeah yeah she had to recreate it you know what sucks for her i think she was literally the best part of the first black panther and like her character has just been hijacked because of the situation i i thought like her being the little sister with um t'challa would work the whole scientist thing was fucking retarded they never explained that but her chemistry with everybody is just the only thing that i think worked for me and they've just turned her into this now i mean again as as has been pointed out like this character is the this is not power creep this is like power leap yeah estimate yeah this is what you would point to is essentially you gave your oc all the powers this is the type of thing you do in a game that literally destroys your own investment in the game like you're too powerful now like it's no more it's a thing that you wouldn't want to be the strong in an rpg you put the cheat code on yeah now nothing's challenging interesting yeah like now you've got to do it one punch man sites and except except Saitama earned his powers he exercised for three years you know like but but it is now the one punch man problem of like she is so powerful that i guess you're gonna have to try and deal with stories pertaining to her apathy about life and existence because she's so powerful she can defeat everybody in one punch no i mean they're not gonna i don't think they even realize what they've done i don't think they fully understand that they're incredibly effective and have on a person to gain all of those abilities and be a god like never mind because they're not capable and i don't even know when we'll see guyer again yeah that's what i'm saying like what are they gonna do with this oh i don't i mean this show has failed in the most spectacular way and that we're probably not getting another ant man which makes you wonder what they're gonna do yes i don't know i know also bad move olivia colman can outsmart like that fury got the gun off the president and then before boom people blood yep purple so instantly purple so this means this is the death of the roadie that we thought was roadie for the last why we're about to find out we got nothing on that yet it's fine strike cold off and it's funny he does it with olivia colman's phone he just he's like give me a phone i'm just like is it just a number you can call i get like hi i'm the president don't mind i'm calling for hi i'm the president we're calling off will war three we're putting a no on that one yeah so gaya starts to free all of the prisoners you know that's a nice thing to do yeah now we're gonna make a righteous we see guy from shop who did the paintings and stuff he's here look at him oh that's good we got him we see uh this lady i don't remember who this is but this lady's free now that's nice lady i guess she was uh she was gotta be well she she got she got special screen time for release i feel like she should be someone important is that her the lady who just got freed i can't remember and look who it is everybody he's releasing roadie oh my goodness wait what a hospital gown we've we've seen rodeo in a hospital gown before it was right after the uh battle at the airport in civil war i think we should just catch the chase on that one uh the director himself is confirmed he is indeed that year of time that's what's supposed to be about by this outfit oh end game rodeo the scroll halfway through and wait well yeah sorry so to be absolutely clear e-fall vision shoots the the suit he crashes the spine breaks he goes into the MRI machine and then tony and vision go to the toilet and the scroll comes in goes and takes his place and they kidnap rodeo and take him to this warehouse and he has been he has been captive for possibly 10 years 10 years of his history is gone including his best friend dying to save the universe which means it's now time to talk about everything chronologically it's okay i got a couple of notes but the first one is just the smaller one just rodeo on his way to healing them legs of his will get used to them with tony all of that didn't happen all right that's just one that's the smaller one put it on there you know wow rodeo choosing to side with the avengers against thunderbolt ross that's not a thing that actually happened that was just like a payoff for his arc and yeah that's not that wasn't rodeo that's someone else i never mind on that um you remember when rodeo said to captain marvel like you haven't like you were you when all this happened what the fuck and then captain marvel says back to him there's a lot of planets out there that need me okay you weren't the only one and he actually kind of backs down that makes less sense now because as a scroll yeah she would have promised to take care of them and so he should be like you made a promise and or you know there's this resentment there that should exist that isn't shown in that scene it's funny some people say that scene makes more sense now makes less sense now no no you would he would roast there you'd be totally personal for him then you get the scene with rodeo nebula basically having a heart to heart about the fact that both of them have got mechanical elements to their bodies because of you know different things that they've lived through uh i quite like that moment in end game and there's the argument it's improved now because he's talking about him being a scroll it's like no he wasn't he was talking about losing his legs at least functionality of them where did he get that from it's actually being destroyed is what that is happened that scene's being destroyed yes that's gone too and then there comes the big one uh he rodeo was not there when tony died of course so that rodeo that was there that was sad when his best guy died that was this that was some alien twat pretending to be rodeo wow this fucking rodeo sad about the sacrifice yep this guy doesn't know what he said think about this well think about 10 years of his life is gone he's lost 10 years here with somebody who's stolen his identity okay he guys convinced me rodeo is the most fucked over wasted that's good that's good that's good that's good that's good that's good this is even beatable how can you beat this i i did until this like this was i thought it was like up for discussion but no he's at the top he's been robbed of the decade of his life putting something already he was already limited the poor fucking guy had barely any payoffs and they just stole most of them they stole most of them to have a reveal the specific scenes you mentioned i can't believe like as soon as you mentioned like a picture of them in my head because i know what they achieved and why they were there and just to thank tony stank we don't get the tony stank joke he wasn't there for that that was a fucking alien yeah some bullshit and so obviously you have rody is not at iamans funeral that's just some alien it's like rewatching that why is it just some alien here what's weird is that that alien to kill everyone there that alien might have known tony stark long enough to develop his own which is its own story parasitic friendship that we didn't get to even know about it's comfortable with nuking the planet that save the universe yeah keep in mind rody scroll is the most villainous character in this series outside of gravic yeah he's like a soulless twat who wants to kill everything it's insane who saved the universe these humans save the universe and you're just like ah fuck him nick fury did fury who was instrumental saving half the universe including half the scrolls half of them would have been like deleted talking about individual human moments remember when they all return an end game and they all realize the uh black widows killed herself to save the universe that they all have that like moment appreciating it and understanding it it's like was he was just like no these humans are so stupid and lay out killing them all he was laughing he literally turned away he's probably cracking up that it's so terrible i can't just i never even thought about this oh yeah they didn't think about this there's one one thing that's improved someone's just measured chat so all those shit jokes he made against thaw were just the alien rody it wasn't regular oh thank god the skill of lining so yeah we saved it but uh yeah so then the big thing to realize after all this which we could have put in together already but it's worth saying explicitly colonel rody he doesn't know tony's dead yeah no yeah and that's something that he's probably going to find out about off-screen i would be like this shitty company surprises me every time but i legit would be surprised if they don't show him understanding that reality in armor wars or whatever the fuck thing is next for the reality that ten years with life was stolen including his best friend dying to save the universe apparently the directors talked about yeah you know who knows what he'll be seen dealing with in armor wars that's where you'll next see rody this is like hey that's you imagine being past this you'd be like they don't address that oh they will but like it could be right i'm gonna do what can what are they to do now that i don't know he's been out of the game for that log for a decade he's been out of the game is anyone gonna tell him about all of the shit that's happened i doubt it this isn't even like the rody we do this is half of him at this point it's not half of him because iron man one is 2008 civil war is 2016 and this is like 2025 or 2026 for most of his history in this universe he's been a scroll for most of what we've seen because again the the mcu tends to forget that there was a five-year gap between infinity war and endgame they often forget that that that was five years which is a long time think about everything that happened between 2012 and 2017 in the mcu dude they're gonna play it for laughs they're gonna say a giant purple man came in and killed everybody and and then they unkilled everybody with time travel and quantum mechanics and there's also a multiverse and a wizard that can travel through it and he's gonna be like so that just happened they'll make a joke out of it instead of actually using this like i can honestly see them making a joke out of it and just moving on when this is like as far as i'm concerned this is rody's character going forward like this is probably one of the most potent things they could do if they actually give this to someone with a brain and do something with this like imagine what he would feel with all that last time like he's waking up to figure out he doesn't fucking know tony's dead like this is blowing my mind right now it's such a fuck up but it's there's a little bit of an opportunity here and i know they won't take it they'll just fuck it up with the joke or something um question can you if you're a scroll can you hide from vision can you hide from vision that's an interesting point i figure they're gonna make technology the mind stone like you shouldn't vision be like oh you're wonder wonder could rig you mind to be like what the hell what's going on in there but i guess imagine if she just did that i i guess so but she had to do like intentionally but wouldn't vision just like see that you're not who you are like the vision always gave him weird looks and other people assumed vision was just races like no no and he was just racist against scrolls not black people so it was a vision new all along yeah oh and i guess i figured because we've been holding off for this for a while all these people have been held here at this um abandoned nuclear power plant the abandoned nuclear power plant that like causes people like that is radioactive that's highly there's a particular shot yeah this is the one where i was like fury was like here ish and he was the gag account it was like through the fucking roof like so all these people are now irradiated nice yeah all these people are dead welcome back to living roadie um it's gonna be a really shitty next couple of weeks for you um don't worry you'll die but slowly and horribly slowly and horribly also you're 10 years older yeah and yeah your friend's dead yeah in any of these people like aliens like walk depending on how long they've been there it's so funny that it's civil war that he was paused on because that's like the last time the most serious we ever were you could say infinity war was more serious but it's also a lot crazier you know because it's space and yeah all this kind of stuff but civil war was very very like it's serious and he had all this shit that's happened since then imagine getting fucking debriefed about that you would have lost like all of his clearance and ranks too probably they don't trust him anymore we don't know what the fuck happened to him the face that you're frozen on right now just represents him like getting that debriefing yeah just all like are you fucked like how do you process that the face is great too because this was all so arbitrary they threw it on him because fuck it why not he's low impact but also kind of interesting he's been around for a while it's like i am yeah you can't make like fucking banner a scroll the whole time it's like there's too much to explain with that it's not going to work and it's like what else we got it's like honestly we don't really have many people left to make a scroll it's like fuck it throw it on rodie it's like yes throw it on rodie he's the mcu's abuse boy it's crazy is this the role or secret wars which one was it they gave him like two hours to sign contract or some shit i don't know you didn't hear about that no something about him like being at like a birthday party something casual and then him getting a call and like you have like two hours to decide on like this big project or something like that and it was yeah you can find somewhere you get to read the contract or i don't remember that yeah i the specific details i think was that he had two hours to basically make a decision and that's ridiculous because you got you want to be able to go over everything but you need your agents to see that shit and tell you what you're supposed to do that's how it should be but from what i remember it was like two hours to make the decision and it will remove onto someone else that's what i remember reading oh quote me on that but i'm pretty sure that's what it was so this is where the show gets vaguely interesting for about five seconds um the president makes some dress to the world and he says basically that the scrolls are fucked with everything um and we now are going to be running in a bill that deems all off-world creatures combatants basically we know who you are and we know how to find you and we will kill every last one of you that's what he says wow how'd you become instantly the most amazing character you see just like that it's funny because uh i think everybody's normal interpretation is like oh what a villainous character hopefully he'll be you know stopped and he'll be a villain in something or maybe he'll be gone by the time we next we see it but the fact is it's like this is the consequence of what gravic and his team did this is the normal consequence yes and this seems to be the majority opinion of scrolls subvert all political systems what happens when you're just a regular opportunity your regular person you find out shapeshifting aliens have subverted your government in an attempt to exterminate all of you all of humanity it's like holy shit like that's just like well some people highlight it's like well what about new as god is like don't they don't know that nobody knows anything about anything outside of the road thing exactly they keep getting about it but like basically what we see unfold is like what would happen if people found out it's like insane paranoia like people getting shot in the streets like people know who scroll and who's not including innocent people who people are gonna get caught up in it zero tolerance for scrolls after this when yeah it's when normal people hear about this there's only gonna be one course of action well the problem is it's just the universe earth is now a very different place forever and then they're gonna forget about it they're gonna forget about what they've introduced in this story which is that now all of humanity knows that there are shapeshifting aliens that try to subvert their governments and wipe them out and annihilate them so most of them would chill with it like it's it's just going to be intense paranoia across the globe forever yeah because there's no going back from this because the aliens could always still be here we'll never know we're all gone we'll never know you know how could you possibly know that it's it's over he says all off-world creatures will be destroyed like on site does do you think he's talking about the celeste not those guys well no good verb is an earthling oh yeah he is well he's a quantum earthling i guess yeah who would be one other aliens i guess like uh well i mean i guess what about uh like any of the guardians right like group like i imagine that doesn't play a group right guardians the guardians would probably get a pass because they'd be like heroes of the well well i guess it's the point is like well i mean just just sort of you the thing is he says he says all off-world creatures but he you know this will get finalized into scrolls specifically probably yeah it'll be yeah there will be legislation for this yeah that's going to be written out um and it's probably going to get um there's not going to be that much it'll just be a matter of we need to finalize what the punishment will be when we find them will probably be the biggest point of contention um because yeah we were very close to a nuclear war and the destruction of humanity and the insane paranoia and well you shift that'll happen after this so why do you think this is happening he just found out that like his best advisor was a scroll for like years and years that's trying to coax him into annihilating this is why i don't think people understand which is i think an accident on the show's part it's like this is a really interesting reaction to the fact that he almost caused world war three thanks to scrolls like this is this is him obviously he's furious and he wants them stamped out and they nearly destroyed humanity yeah and people can be like uh villainous action because even fury says wow you made a hateful speech today that's what he tells him like yeah you bet it's a fucking hate filled speech yeah i fucking hate scrolls how good is every single one of them you should he should hate every one of them after that for sure because yeah just absolutely nothing like that he's probably you guys like personally he's probably so fucking curious that that came that close remember how many years ago when you invaded period and then what's this of the worst stuff started they nearly personally killed him uh along with all of his security all the he would know now everything i'm looking for the fool for years the the motorcade incident was an attempt to kill him on the part of the scrolls that was explicitly what all of that was and then they wanted to wipe out all of humanity he's what are the reasons you need to be furious in what way is this not like a an existential threat of a war with humanity in another species arguably this is the biggest most important and impactful cultural shift in all of earth history arguably with maybe the blip i would say arguably this is worse than the blip it's worse with human mind fury should probably end up in some kind of trouble for this or this whole thing yeah yeah telling he's got pluses but the fact is that he helped ferry in the scrolls underneath like you know safeguards and then all this happened yeah he hit it from the world and look at the outcomes that happened it's crazy and then and this is all with the president not knowing that there is one scroll out there who is unstoppable who has all the powers and cannot be stopped and that the reason why that happened is because fury just gave away the dna of a bunch of people yep other scrolls enabled it rip and it was their design and fury specifically enabled it yeah um we gotta every right to be angry yeah we're close to the end we can just do a quick summaries here uh good ol olivia colman gavin gets blasted oh i'll come with that in a second i'm just gonna get this out of the way is the end of guy's plot line olivia colman and guy a team up and it's a little cringe too because she's like we meet at last and then she's like if you have an army in that car unless you have an army i suggest you leave she says i think we should have a partnership and then guy is like my father entered a deal like that and colman says let's let's be sure not to repeat the mistakes of fury and talos let's leave love and friendship out of this use me and i'll use you and we'll both make sure our species are safe says girls can do it too part it is a bit like fury and talos fucked it up it's like only because the writers decided they did yeah that's it there's no reason i should have been this catastrophic but these girls are gonna nail it now because they won't make the same mistakes okay sure man whatever you want uh fine and then uh yeah as part of the speech made by yeah because there's a whole bunch of things here so first of all they find this place i'm still not 100 sure what this place is i have i don't know what that is other than i guess a bunch of other people who've had their identity stolen i think so yeah the million scrolls this is all the people look at how many people what are you supposed to think where does their book go that's what we apparently there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people who you know have essentially just been robbed of their lives indefinitely like what's a hell can go out there and dude imagine imagine what the president's gonna say was he finds out about this like this is absolutely insane oh by the way captain marvel opinions on all this yeah well i don't think that we should be so hateful okay opinion noted thank you dion well it's it's it's war it's it's uh they will be absolutely hated throughout the whole world especially when all the governments are told by the way there's probably a scroll in your government right now that's just like there's gonna have to be like yeah i'm thank god the tests are easy to conduct because boy i mean it might be just the end if it wasn't um uh yeah this is the some of the most devastating world building you've ever seen so uh as i was mentioned mcgavin getting shot at mcgavin he's dead now uh i don't know who told who water whatever but yeah he's scrolled they killed him he's dead that's that's something that is like well like seeing these images is like i guess that would happen yeah and then yeah remember how the prime minister britain got released right she's talking at 10 downing street and the guy just walks up to her and assassinates her somehow some guy just got a gun into 10 downing streets to shoot prime minister that dumbass reassigns i just felt like this was fucking raw i was like this would happen just real consequences that people who had their lives co-opted by the scrolls would end up getting killed because of it the british prime minister just got assassinated because the scrolls had her position this is your fault gaya and gravik and all of the scrolls who participated in this this is your fault you have insticated a mass paranoia across an entire civilization of people then this the lady we mentioned from before episode two where she was let go by gravik she we see a kill in a bunch of people and she is a scroll so she's like on the run now i guess or something i don't know the point here is supposed to be that all of earth now fucking hate scrolls to the point where they'll hunt down hunt them down and kill them and it's like yeah i guess so yeah you know there's gonna be humans that are chill with them but there's also gonna be so many humans that are like this is this is literally threatening our place in the universe after everything we've done for the universe after everything that humanity has done for the universe is crazy when you think about it humanity is saved the universe and the multiverse on several occasions and that and and look at them this is what they get almost getting nuked by alien invaders that they saved well i just he said they took in right it's like the fury decided to take in it without telling anybody but nevertheless you know humans save them when the kree would have wiped them out and then it's like whoa you promised them a home and they didn't get one so they're gonna nuke you the show really wants you to forget that their goal was to nuke us yeah really don't on that note fury says about the hateful speech that's some real one-term president stuff and it's interesting to think about yeah fuck that what what would actually happen right is like this is a man who first of all survived an assassination attempt from alien forces like king that's a president that survived an alien assassination attempt that's pretty uh you know assassination attempts famously get presidents like if they survive them makes you look good yeah um but an alien one like yeah wharf and then of course he's the one that was serving at the time when we managed to stop the potential of world war three he can argue he's the one that called off the strikes at the moment of impact when all of the intel he had pointed toward you know firing nukes etc he's the one that's now leading the world on trying to prevent the scrolls from taking over and taking them down you think this is the time where people gonna be like yeah this guy is the worst we need to get rid of him you just wrote this guy a check for a three-term presidency and he will cash that shit you bet um that it's hard to even see how he would lose favor when it's an alien threat a lot of humans aren't even gonna see the negatives in terms of what all they'll do is find out news about how there are scroll aliens that are getting killed all over earth because and you know it'll be like remember actor and singer this person that was a scroll and that person has now been found in a basement somewhere it's been 10 years they're reunited with their families you know what i mean every one of these stories you're not going to go like oh the poor scroll like no it'll be like the scroll stole someone's life in a subverting our civilization they're at the very least not allowed to even be on this planet whatsoever imagine you woke up in that facility you'd lost 10 years but you'd aged 10 years you just didn't get to have those 10 years and you find out you know there's a rags running around who's the scroll uh i don't even know the live or dead doesn't really matter but the point is like how would you feel about the scrolls rags like oh i would i would want to fucking kill them yet they ruined everything you're stealing lives from people you're effectively like adjacent to killing them plus the desire to actually go around and kill them and the ones you've already killed and then imagine right you're so passionately pissed off about this you go and discover the root of all of it you find out that they came here in the 90s and that fury promised them a place on earth or a place of their own planet you ask what the hell happened and you find out fury decided for his own benefit to use them to advance his career in shield instead of just putting them on the planets that were available and then with the skills he gave them they subverted him ignored him and took over the world over the course of 15 years with a million people and very nearly came close to nuking all of humanity all of humanity men women and children alike and they did and then you've always got the you've got the 6000 that were killed in russia yeah exactly as well as any number of thousands of people who've been killed but in all of the the things that they had already done trying to prevent uh like anarchy in the world it was absolutely nuts that they wrote this show i don't know what they were thinking if there is a if the objective of this show in terms of the writing was to get us to sympathize with scrolls or to use scrolls as some kind of an allegory for people of different races or ethnicities or nationalities then they have fucked up beyond belief complete failure this show has given me an incredible justification to be horrifically xenophobic to scrolls fuck them get off my planet the last line from the president in this scene is this only one way this ends get the scrolls off my planet which is supposed to obviously be like a xenophobic position but it's like but that's the only solution now you can't expect peace the thing is is what he said what he said is more of an accurate statement as to a reflection of the nature of the world like the only resolution that you could have in this world at this point is that the scrolls can't stay here yeah it's not about killing them necessarily he's just delivered the most reasonable response after declaring out all that wall just get them they are physiologically incapable of living on this planet with our species it just can't work like i said it's like corny meek and stuff like they'd be pretty chill i'd say that he's running around sharing his bed with people you know consensually of course like the world of future armor is a world that could exist at some point you know of like humans aliens robots and everything live in in a society scrolls in particular already pose difficulties because of their unique ability to subvert like the the planet and then you throw on top this attempt to destroy the world on a insane like basis like an absolutely insane ridiculous like illogical fucking stupid evil basis you throw that on top it just makes things like it's this is an unsalvageable situation it's over like it's it's done six episodes they pulled all this insanity off in yeah and they were not densely packed sip as six episodes no they weren't they were uh there's a lot of you know i mean after everything we've you know gone through with face forward and five to an extent it's don't just start up but like and and still i am very much surprised by their writing like yeah me too me too this is fascinating how do they do this i don't they manage this like i was not expecting any of this like i didn't think it'd be able to affect me at all but i was pissed off but yeah just reminding me what i liked about the character and then just writing every aspect of it and how much of this is going to make it into a future mcu project it's like maybe one about nothing maybe a line maybe a line to a reference a couple references and that'll be because the guys who made this aren't going to speak to the guys who make the next thing and the guys who make the next thing may not have seen this that's just the reality of it this show has been so unsuccessful that they're probably going to try and avoid it as much as possible well and that's the thing people are talking about how it's boring lame or annoying or the cg probably it's like it's a fucking gross show like overall then i don't know if people are going to address that like it's ideas the way it wrote characters the spite fucking mess about the ai intro they're they're missing the point there's so much more like the the ai intro sucks but the show also sucks yeah so like i don't know i get for the people who come after this to make shows and things how many times does the person in front of you have to fuck up the world before i'm like you know what i don't even blame you for ignoring the shows at this point like the person in front of you just ruined shit what are you i mean how do you how do you move forward with it you know like yeah when it kind of cascades it right because the creator that comes in to make anything when they see this is all the work behind them they're like oh why would i even bother really then okay yeah i'll throw my brick in onto the wall like toss it in randomly and it's like that wall looks pretty strong sure whatever bye who's next it's like this guy you see the bricks all over the place he's like throw by brick hard it's like used to have some level of building it we cite this every so often but like when you watch avengers 2012 you can tell whoever wrote and directed that more than likely got to know the first set of films in phase one because he references the fuck out of all of them all the character journeys are referencing all the character journeys from the actual films they're coming from it's like hmm you must have paid attention you must have known what was coming before but these days they admit that they don't watch this stuff they're like nah i either saw two episodes of it or that fucking shit from quantimania where the writer and director of the movie can't remember if uh first of all what the name of wand division is they call it the scarlet witch show oh man and it's like did you even watch it and then they're like oh there's there's woo yeah who uh i think was in what division this is like well he doesn't say what division he says the skull which is just like it's not even hard man yeah man just you don't even spend a night one night you don't have assistance you don't have people like you know that make yourself some food grab some popcorn drink just watch the fucking show or otherwise you're trying to tell us how fucking painful it is that you can't bring yourself to do it i just mentioned one thing before moving on because i think we the president seemed the only thing i like about that is that it confirms talos died for nothing his death is completely meaningless and it sucks because i feel like that was the biggest opportunity for the show in terms of substance you're right yes that's for his death yeah meaning right it was meaningless the obvious payoff for him the obvious payoff for him is to for him to die and make a difference to the scroll human relations but he didn't and i thought that was what they were gonna do like even even even fairy mentioned it in this phone call to like you know the president has this new result that we went this situation but just putting that in his head to at least make him like have to you know maybe consider it he doesn't even mention talos here this guy just fucking walks back to his ship i i was just like no it's the last piece of the puzzle man get insanely disrespectful remember maria we should probably get a mention of some kind at the end too oh my yeah she's nothing forgotten she got nothing yeah well and what we do instead i don't think i mentioned her again we have fury and the fucking next to a blue screen of the horrors talk to his invented wife as of this series about how yeah i do love you even as a scroll now let's kiss and go to saber to sort out the relationship between kree and scrolls that's the end of the show yeah they don't do any there's no ceiling of any other threads in the whole thing how was this even remotely a resolution yeah how does this everything's worse he gave me everything up and dipped like that's pretty much it he just made everything worse just they brought him back from space to completely ruin him and then fucking shot this ass back in the ship it's insane i'm like so fucking rude the to to make your show after everything you just showed me about these two being like yeah i like you green that's fine it's like yeah that's what's so important right now that's what we built up to oh yeah every time you think that like like how do they do it every time you think that it's like the bottom right they can't possibly get worse it's like no actually there's still some there's still some like you know captain america four in the marvels they're gonna be awful aren't they you imagine yeah of course because they're already like all written and everything you know already done basically it's gotta be uh especially spiteful about that this was a yeah there was not a moment i enjoyed just the other ones none of them really pissed me off to this degree i'll say that this is one of the things that bothered me the most just because yeah between this and black widow those are my two where i just can't believe this is your vision for this character you just didn't give a fuck about their journey it's so weird how much this to connect to like other current mcu projects because this in isolation you'd be like you don't get right in this bad that often it's like well it depends you watching the mcu it's expected and when we look at uh i mean you know in seeing these credits again it makes me like man i'm really thankful that the credits are ai generated so that it got people just that much easier for people to despise this show yeah like the veil got lifted you know it had to like earn its way back into favor and it was never gonna fucking do that yeah because you know if like and all had ai credits people would probably get over that because of andals writing there's nothing redeeming in this i'm gonna say is you think there is there any is there anything salvageable in this show going forward and is there anything you could compliment on it i think we complimented like five things most of them were like lines from livia colman yeah her character was not always terrible um they kind of ruined her by the end unfortunately she does get a lot of cringe and this bit of stupid but her not doing anything to stop uh fake rody some of her lines are super cringe yes they the the britain and us allies so of course i'm not going to prevent world war three it's like what just they just screwed up i think i would like to think that towels died with good intentions like he was trying to sacrifice himself in the better his people and like i would like to think that that's like even though you didn't get any credit for it i'll try to compliment that just for my own headcanon but who knows what they actually think about that death like you know like wasted characters all of them are waste um i'm gonna read now some stuff it's just two article sort of sources this one is secret invasion director confirms how long rodies been a scroll the dramatic conclusion to secret invasion has finally been released with fans relieved to finally see rodie he's rescued the six episode series saw the avengers body taken over by a scroll isn't even really how that's fine with fans figuring out how the twist pretty early on yeah because the only thing that we're gonna do however one big question remains just how long has he been held hostage speaking exclusively to radio times director alisa is it salim or salim salim salim i assume has confirmed that the dark theory that rodie has been a scroll ever since captain america civil war is true yep he's been a scroll the whole time yes it means rodie's been absent for about nine years in the mcu including the events of avengers end game which saw his best friend tony stark sacrificed himself so to be clear rodie doesn't know toad he's dead presumably salim answered i think it's going to take a librarian to go through and pick apart every rodie moment up till secret invasion but there's a lot to be unpacked now and i think a lot of it will be unpacked in armor wars where is where dawn is going next it'll be unpacked in someone else's show i do the fuck about thanks yeah they talk about how he he tried to play rodie different because he was a scroll except he didn't play him differently before because he wasn't one yeah yeah you're telling me that was scroll rodie when he was like having that hospital scene with tony like this just he can't attempt these type of retcons and expect everyone to not pay attention you know i just like that he said like it would take a librarian to go through and check all the scenes against him being a scroll now and it's like you what you mean to say is i have no idea what this has done to his history go look i guess figure it out get back to me that's pretty much what that was no this is interesting there is a post on the marvel studio subreddit called no but seriously what is going on in the mcu and this is the post because i just read the following interview with the director of secret invasion and it made me so uncomfortable and angry i think it shines a light by the way this is a very popular post i think it shines a light on so many of the missteps of the recent slate of content there really doesn't seem to be much passion or even a desire to leverage and respect the source material and fans by the directors and instead directing for the mcu has become a way to cash in and or boost one's clout some key excerpts from the interview just left a rotten taste in my mouth along with my thoughts so this is what they thought so interviewer question what have you made of the reaction to the series overall because reviews have been mixed which is a nice way to put it director said oh i don't read reviews with all due respect for me i view all the storytelling work i do is dialogue with an audience when the show is finished and put up on the screen that's my half of the dialogue and the audience then starts their half of the response to it i think that's valuable but i don't know i don't know how to answer the question so he goes on but i'm just gonna say we can go piece by piece i suppose yeah this is like i'm just gonna say all my stuff and then i'm gonna fuck off and y'all can talk about it amongst yourselves no accountability for my artwork yeah that's not like it that's not a dialogue it's not a discussion that's just you talking into the it's essentially like you making a youtube video and they're just leaving forever and not listening reading comments or anything goes on to say i don't feel bad about mixed reviews if you had unanimously good reviews every movie would gross 10 billion trillion dollars right projects resonate with different people at different times for different reasons and marvel has a very devoted even rabid fan base who have expectations and when their expectations aren't fulfilled they move in another direction they give it a thumbs down i don't know is it our job to fulfill their expectations or to tell the story that we're telling so it's a tricky thing i would love it if everybody loved it but i also don't have that expectation so i feel great about the response to it copo pure copium he's injecting it into his eyeball there's no other explanation for that that was a bunch of bullshit he didn't even really say anything you're just saying words you're not actually connected the dots here like he doesn't know what he's trying to say there he's just waiting for the next question he panicked like that is some horseshit ask him to repeat that it'd be like what do you really mean yeah what did you even just say what do you think you just say i was going to literally look up how he started it this guy has no idea what oh my god sorry our recording our recording equipment wasn't quite working because you repeat that one more time uh johnny in the booth is saying that we need to do another take on someone to have the balls to call these people out and condensate so you know like 30 seconds or less on that one i'd be like no take all the time you need yeah just treat just you know hand them the shovel open your brain up and just spill it all out what's going on in there um but yeah interviewer it's a different story the marvel's ever told let's dive into some actual plot points of the finale one of the highlights was the massive show down between gyre and gravik whose powers have been enhanced by the avengers dna what will you remember about working with amelia and kingsley on that fight scene he said it's interesting they're both stellar actors who bring a lot of electricity and in most instances uh in very quiet ways i'm i'm deeply moved by some of the subtle choices that amelia clark makes i think she could do no wrong that makes sense that he'd think that considering her role in the whole show um when you get to a heavily choreographed fight scene or a bombing sequence or an ambush sequence it's just kind of fun right it's the actors being like okay i don't have to bring it today i just have to be a 12 year old swing in from a rope so there's a lot of fun so there's a lot of fun in those moments and there's a lot of danger but it's not as emotionally significant or emotionally resonant as quiet moments like in episode five where she she and nick fury discussed talos's death the fight meant to be an emotionally resonant moment yes meanwhile fight scenes aren't the fight scenes aren't it's just a broad like sweeping generalization of fight scenes and their purpose of the story well yeah there's one more bit i don't know i feel like it's just more telling of your attitude on storytelling anyway yeah he says uh to follow up on that the fight sequences become mathematical mechanical precise did we get it yes move on it comes together later in the edit and then you congratulate your mathematics and your mechanics you don't congratulate the emotional resonance oh my god what i just don't want to play that emotional emotional resonance and by the way the op of this post has their own response to that and it reads this makes me see red your action sequence should have heart and thought put into it even if it is a marvel movie the big giant cgi fight between cap and tony in civil war yeah it was choreographed to death but did your heart not shatter when tony flinched because he thinks steven is about to murder him uh or steve yeah and is instead plunges the shield into his chest plate that's some emotional resonance i congratulate to this effing day my guy yeah it's a really weird thing to say how could that be a perspective well the perspective is what you can't achieve emotional resonance in a fight scene really just false sir false what is i think again it's just we can have a case attitude the fight scene is the fight scene it's the big action scene that you have and it makes people like oh yeah explosions yeah cool and then we have our story baits not marrying them together it kind of makes sense on it though it does make sense that he would say that yeah because those fight scenes are just bullshit i hope this guy enjoys all of his interviews well because i feel like there's just like all all the show is going to do is people are going to talk about how bad it is for a while until it's forgotten and it'll just that that'll be it it won't have a legacy people won't even remember it for it to have a legacy every once in a while it might be referenced as that shitty show so this is a top comment uh that says aside from two independent films from the nineties and mid-2000s his body of work is literally music videos commercials and directing and writing an episode or two of of various shows throughout the 2010s his bullshit about not caring about mixed reviews stems from his career of making things no one gives a shit about so this isn't a surprise oh my god if you've given it if you've given it almost unlimited budget and creative liberty in your show still gets 13 favorable ratings that says a lot about you and your ability to make a movie rather than the audience oh that's crazy isn't it but it basically that's not it this one this is the one that's the starting point this is the sim subreddit the marble that's essentially correct though if you have 200 million dollars to make a show you have virtually an unlimited budget let's be real well you're essentially in a position where the idea of financial or technical limitations for your production limiting what you can do is they virtually don't exist exactly like maybe 200 million for six episodes only six episodes that aren't even full length episodes and not even an hour long each if you can't tell your story with that much money I add it you know it's like I don't even know what that would mean to not be able to tell your story at that point with that much money so this is a funny quote they a quote that made by jaw drop from the article that's not in what you included is the director saying that the theme of the show is fury learning to see aliens as equals and not others this is why the final scene is fury kissing his wife in alien form because he's overcome his inner turmoil of seeing his wife as an unequal other being and then their comment on that is so to be clear Samuel Jackson was it was placed on a character arc where you have to learn that racism is bad and even though no one would ever believe this just based on the show because it's a mess the director chose to confirm it I can't believe that the show is fury realizing that racism is bad I didn't know that fury was a horrible racist I didn't know that I learned something new about Nick fury that doesn't even know what the hell I that that's actually insane I had no idea that this show was about him becoming not a racist has he ever mentioned race at all through well the entire mcu I'm not even sure well I mean I remember his uncle's story I it's been a big deal with him this show if you were gonna look a lot of all the characters fury would be like the least xenophobic he's he's fully prepared to engage with it he just wants to make sure they're not going to try and kill us that's all he's never given a shit I don't I don't buy it for a second that he looks at like alien creatures and he's like look at them lesser beings yeah it's bullshit it's absolute bullshit my god I watch did he watch any of the other things probably unironically didn't hey it's funny at this point we can only keep asking it so many times until people who make these things actually confirm it and say for themselves I didn't watch the thing that was a direct prequel to the film that I'm making I didn't watch that or I've only watched a few of them well if I had good like those original posters right on the on that reddit thing that you're posting they have the they know all of this history they've watched it all and it's not their job and there's just they're just a person out there who's a fan dude who's got who's got the actual like full-time job like that they're doing zero investment no they're a financial investment in it but they care about the content and they know the concept bullshit and they don't that's crazy if you are a disney exec and you approve 200 million dollars for a six episode tv show and it's now you're tasked with finding a director for the show that should be one of the most important decisions that you make in your life this is a huge decision to make it's a shit ton of money and these people are in charge of the creative aspects of this production the right the showrunner you know lead writer director you know like it is wild isn't it again when it's like oh one of the guys who wrote this show who had a hand in writing every episode has written one screenplay it would be mandatory for me to have every person that I was thinking about doing this job to have watched every single marvel movie yeah that would be man it's right and I would probably say write me a fucking essay about them I think I would also have a requirement of like you gotta read some comics you gotta read some of the source material familiarize yourself with this the amount of passion out there for this for the superhero genre they can find people that'll do this for free no short supply of that like you know there's just people that will go and put their time to try to fix the MCU for free right now because they love marvel they would yet they don't even it's insane they don't even like address these people it is strange though it's like that post said it seems like a lot of uh a lot of people who come onto these consider it a stepping stone which which is pretty crazy to think about but like a marvel television show or movie is like a 200 million dollar show is a stepping stone like what the fuck do you want I think all of this I think was constructed under the idea that all of it makes a billion every time each one of these projects makes a billion and you can just fucking bleed that money out but yeah now they're not making the money back and it's like again it's like again event horizon you've already got you've already got several productions that are wrapped they're done you need to release them and I mean let's be real like what is the interest going to be in like echo or the marvels or you know ironheart or agatha what what's the interest going to be if you couldn't get people to show up the Samuel L. Jackson leading a massive ensemble cast I think you I think you fucks you know like I think they might actually be screwed and how long does it take and I didn't think it was possible for like Marvel to fail I actually I really didn't think it was possible no I just think it's possible for him to succeed I think I think they can pull themselves out of it right like the only one that succeeded was Guardians 3 which was way more considered like a James Gunn thing than a Marvel thing and he's gone he's gone off for your competitor and Guardians 3 was basically cashing in on really the last check they sort of had left for the most part yeah all they got is Spider-Man and Spider-Man is partially Sony wow it's the majority of Sony actually Sony gets the majority of the money off of those films and he seems especially now really divorced from like the rest of everything in a very meaningful way he is it's so funny because a couple of years ago people were no Sony taken away from the MCU at this point it's like you know what maybe get maybe take him out like maybe get everybody no more superhero movies enough you've done it we'll get Joker 2 and then we'll stop I think I think it's going to take a little bit of time for the industry to catch up I think because like I mean you can see it with the plans for DC right Warner Brothers really really once when really they should probably be looking at like video games that's what they should be looking at at this point is like let's buy up a bunch of video game adaptation rights and get working on those might be the solution yeah the last I think we're in that era now I think because there being too many successful there's too many like big successful video game adaptations in the last few years I mean you've got an adaptation recently wow okay yeah twist and I think Anthony Mack is in it I don't know if it's good or not but like if twisted metal is getting adapted into yeah like you can do plenty if you're going to work with that like um I think what was I going to say if they can pull off like a Metroid movie or a Legend of Zelda movie like and they actually do it properly that's a billion dollars right there people will go of course it's it's it's still scary for us isn't it because it's like oh please don't fuck it off yeah yeah because you're like going for things that I have a real affinity for yes I know those that's why I went for those two because I know those that about like you could screw up Donkey Kong I'll be fine but Metroid and Link come on it's just it's weird that when I watch the Mario movie I'm like oh you don't hate more more coherent than these films Mario movie is not a good movie but it's it's more coherent than these productions right you know it's I assume it was okay and I enjoyed it so it just means that it hits basic story beats and it does so like reasonably effectively yeah confidently whereas here we can't even get the basics right uh read another one by the way yeah I got one of the top comments says shades of quantum mania writer Jeff lovin is blowing off fan reception to the depiction of modoc like basically saying this feels the same as that it's like because it is yeah pretty much it is the same thing did he try to defend modoc oh well his his I if I remember correctly it was along the lines of he got really bummed out seeing that people didn't like the film so he went to a theater to watch it and people were laughing at modoc so he was like no I'm at no I've done a good job my script is funny that was essentially that was that sounds about right I could be getting it wrong but that's that sounds vaguely like what happened I genuinely laughed out loud like hysterically like I couldn't I didn't think it was going to be that funny it's because his face yeah what was his creative decision why would you do that and I've never seen any other ant man so I didn't know what the hell was going on um but yeah it's fascinating reading some of these threads because people are just like losing it in terms of like oh god the mc is bad actually isn't it yeah and if you yeah it's critical mass critical mass I think is what happened because this isn't there's no point in ranking these shows and movies anymore you know we're at it's like a two average is like what you get for this it doesn't break time and space but it it completely destroys the world building in its own actual way the reality is like you know it's it's a bit me me it's like have you guys covered like actually get into like fucking eight or nine or something we're of this level it's like we went through it all that's what the last 10 hours were we went through all of it okay we're not making this up this is what they showed us I didn't do this they did this yeah I don't want it to be bad I want all these shows and characters to be great yeah obviously I would like to be good I want to live in the world where I'm like oh sweet they're making a they're making a show starring Samuel L Jackson and Ben Mendelsohn and all these guys and Olivia Clark or sorry Emily Clark Emily Clark Amelia Amelia I keep saying Olivia then I'm like no it's Amelia and they're like no that it's Emily or whatever I've heard you say Olivia before yes I don't even know who Olivia Clark is I have no idea who that is the dragon bitch uh I'd much rather live in the world where I hear the premise of this show and I'm like oh wow this sounds like such a cool idea scrolls trying to subvert like earth stuff and like like maybe it's a more espionage related you know thrillery tense kind of show and like look forward to it instead of thinking oh god please no oh god no on paper the show sounds awesome but there's a 5000 point post on this right now it's just all it says is where did the 212 million go yeah where did it go where did that money go where did it go that little one what's up oh yeah where did it go like is it often they said a hundred million their theory is Sam Jackson took a hundred million and then the rest went to four months of reshoots and Drax's CGI arm that has to be at least the arm look terrible at least yeah uh i've just seen uh yeah maybe discussion episode it just says wait when the real captives left the compound shouldn't they be affected by the radiation other this just got lost by us all for a huge fucking oversight yeah there was no reason to have the area be radiated there was no reason you didn't have to communicate things there was no reason it only hurt you mc's and more what the hell was that about yeah you said that you're with reevaluate your life this is interesting i don't know what to do with that like what the fuck there's a post on you that says i'm 100 convinced that if anything from phase 102 came out today it would have been hated now like hmm i don't think phase one phase two maybe but i don't it's hard to hate the dark world it's a film it's yeah i remember my memories of it are so i i don't i don't remember enough to be angry there's no yeah did enough to make me angry i thought about it for five seconds no phase one and two they'd be fine if they released today they'd be fine they wouldn't do as well probably because of everything that's happening but they wouldn't be hated there's no way no i don't think they'd be i don't think they'd be hated they'd just be like huh that was a movie oh yeah um it's kind of sad looking to the subreddit because everyone's just fucking angry like unbetrayed by the show but simultaneously they're trying to sort of maintain the the momentum of marvel why just let it go let it go let it go this life is okay for these people yeah as opposed to says i kind of hate fury and carol after watching secret invasion it's like you should that's what they've done to those characters i mean you shouldn't have felt much of anything for carol after captain marvel but now she's like an asshole so is fury yeah what a way to set her up for her own movie like thanks thanks guys like as if she needed more help being unlikable cunt congratulations you did it thank you so much better late than never well hey uh look at least happened loki season two is on the way uh because the only one getting a sequel loki's the one that did well yeah people still think it's good i think uh sorry yeah yeah there are people who think it's good they're gonna season two is going to be about as good and they're gonna hate it i think sorry i think uh i don't i don't know if people are gonna let themselves get hyped anymore yeah no the hype is gone i think that like the entire idea of marvel hype is gone i think it's just we're just beggars being hopeful at this point yeah i'm sorry this i was gonna say there's still huge cope though there's like a post this like the big problem with phase four is there wasn't a culminating film at the end of it i think no yeah that's the problem that would have fixed all those problems what doesn't make all the films good suddenly yeah that's what i mean and it's funny because you know what logic they're using they're like well phase one did it phase two did it and phase three did it and we all love those ones so that must have been the problem nailed it is that why you like those phases because they had it at the end or is there other things you can point to it's like they don't even like reassess their own logic before they press send it's just like what are you doing i don't know it's in infinity war being great does it make like thorn little dark world better it's just it's i i i i i feel like movies like civil war infinity war iron man they elevate the entire franchise in people's eyes but like but they're only um movies individual individually better genuinely their only recourse is to actually make great films but they can't even make okay films yeah every fucking crashing and burning which is kind of cool to see because it's been so long of the making shit yeah like i said it is legitimately better late than never uh because maybe you know if like if they made films over and over and over and they were all like threes and fours you know it might never happen but you make enough ones and twos and you line them up consistently yeah i mean like if we use myself as an example my my quote unquote movie awakening i suppose was tlj it got me to think about um they got me to think about films in a completely different way it just kind of like flick this switch in my brain it did something to me and i and i just kind of changed with the way i engaged in that medium and so every time one of these terrible terrible projects come out you know how many more of those switches out there get flicked or how many you know how many people just sort of wake up from it yeah and after these things pile up it happens you know it's it might be slow and steady but eventually enough people do go wait a second hold on and yeah what is this picture of joy the the reason i'm showing this is just look at this look at look at how it's nine fucking tv shows and how long when one of vision come out three years one of a kind of beginning of 2021 insane it was one of these is we watched the top three and then moon night and then she held in secret evasion a great selection and of those the bad was we didn't see actually like war guy what was the best of the ones we did see one division one well one division collapses at the end yeah i'm pretty i'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before like one division's finale is a one whereas like no single episode of falcon the winter soldier is a one but it's more consistently uh bad it made me angry it might have been one division is the only one here that has good episodes uh sure but it also has a worse episode than any of the episodes moon night had a moon night had two episodes that were uh i don't think we called it the first one good we said it was like uh acceptable or like it passes or is the thing if we watched one division are you sure that we'd feel the same way yes about the first few episodes you reckon we were pretty heavy with the scrutiny the the first two episodes of one division are pretty much bulletproof because of the fact that they explicitly take place in the magic world yeah yeah there's not a lot that they're pretty self-contained in that well i mean it sort of i mean i think it is because one division i mean i guess that's the sort of the framing of the show uh that is the thing you should be mentioning probably is zemo and walker from falcon and soldier yeah yeah there's no good episodes they're good characters which is amazing that they got away with that yeah well it's because of what happened but john walker got away like ironically because they thought he was like a they thought yeah zemo i think they knew people would enjoy him for the very reasons we did enjoy him like that probably worked out okay for them but they were definitely not expecting people to think that walker was kind of a he went on like a hero's journey the other two were fucking idiots i think the one that probably brushed closest to being a good show was ah damn like i really want to like moon night more than it does i had a feeling you're gonna say moon night it's because yeah everyone wants to like moon night it's so cool but they fucked it i want i like the the first episode was like the first time in forever we looked at an mcu related thing and we're like oh like this could actually be like a show with a character and this could be interesting and then you had that bizarre fifth i think it was the fifth episode where it was surprisingly had some surprisingly good stuff in it and you have off-crisis who was like acting like a fucking champ throughout the whole thing and it's all done in service to like nonsense and shit characters at a bad plot and ultimately a world ending kaiju fight yeah the last episode all the souls on the planet were at stake being eaten by a giant alligator lady sit on and people still hate us for not doing a 10 hour breakdown of that show it's all they have left now those performances i think that's literally what they're clinging to it's still got good performers but that's yeah they can't carry this uh loki and she hulk of the worst yes i think so yes and sacred invasion is somewhere in the middle basically it's something to remember now if you remember it's just it's fucking casted on by the specs do you remember falcon the witch soldier really pissed us off remember that yes it yeah that's the one i hate the most i hate the most of all even though it's got probably the thing i like the most out of all of it being zemo and walker but it's so weird there's such a different collection of because secret invasion is just foul yeah yep i have a so looking at that falcon in the winter soldier poster is it weird that it's called falcon in the winter soldier but the winter soldiers on the left and falcons on the right he is facing backwards falcon is the bigger one yeah yeah i guess that's the whole right and left thing that's just a problem with lots of posters in general secret invasion she helped man she helped with shit yeah well letting episode broke me like oh man like um like moon night didn't make me angry if anything maybe yeah we would like disappointed right yeah yeah it was just yeah that's what i that's what i would cut disappointed it's an invasion maybe angry secret invasion maybe angry uh the first episode of she hulk made me furious but everything other than that i was just oh yeah my eyes are laughing oh god that first episode yeah holy shit it came out of the gate came out swinging well yeah and then right because that that was it's so interesting to look at it culturally with each one because she hulk you like pissed everybody off and then nobody was really talking about it other than like some highlights like oh look at this she's talking about internet trolls like a really secret invasion nobody's talking about it he's talking about it nobody liked it the only thing that people are talking about is how bad it is the drax arm yeah get the right on the a i rd intro yeah it's otherwise otherwise it's absolute apathy you know i got a word and 12 million dollars down the drain drink it didn't even try it he he he just he said he he believed he would not enjoy it whatsoever and then obviously it's job and i don't blame him yeah that's the thing it's it's gotten that bad there's loads of people who are just not going to watch it but then there's those people aren't going to watch the marvels and then captain america for that's going to be like a like a yeah i guess i i don't know yeah test again that's going to be another one where they're probably expected to make close to a billion dollars and it won't there's nothing the name value alone even though this yeah basically um it's and really it's the next test is the next avengers film if it makes less money than the first avengers film then it's over which it will it probably will at this point yeah it would surprise me if it made like 1.5 billion look at how hard it is i would be surprised to have anywhere even in the avengers right now nobody knows isn't it funny the the writers every one of these retarded projects usually has a throwaway line about why aren't we calling the avengers but it's like they don't even know the writers don't know who i call they're just passing the baton i just salt salt salt with the captain falcon winter man they they were told yeah captain america steve rogers we don't we're not telling you what his state of being is so you don't get to comment on it either and god damn do it he alive all these shows and think about how many of them were scrolls the whole time well we don't know what happened with the did the scrolls just not know about the shield hydra stuff that'd be something i'd be pissed at them for because the hydra would they wouldn't know about the scrolls yeah where would you guys didn't help out with that i wouldn't know the hydra you know of you well because and hydra would tell the world because hydra is a bunch of proto or they're they're like nazi pluses so they would tell the world what made the scrolls so effective and what managed to crank his fucking career up was the fact that nobody knew this and there was people walking around is basically information like collectors who could change shape and form at will that's incredibly powerful to the point where it's almost making me wonder if there should have been more effects for fury at this point like there should have been more things that have he should have had more power probably especially with this is more captain marvel's fault i guess but like all the the things we had access to thanks to the scrolls should have probably projected us way further in time over the uh you know from the 90s onwards what happened to the ship that they had in captain marvel well they went out had a ship right it's so funny captain marvel ends really hopefully of them you know we're gonna search the world the the universe for a planet and then this one just says you couldn't find anything it came back it's just okay they couldn't find one they came back to earth now earth hates all of us and we'll be lucky to survive now we want to desperately get off the planet so that the humans don't kill us and rightfully so it's so weird every planet we go to we end up being hunted down by the people who live on it why what we did was try to take over what's the common denominator understand why does nobody like us can't imagine why what the fuck is carol like seriously where is she been this entire time what is she doing it's so nice secret invasion is such a like dour and you know trying to be serious show and then you pop over to the marvels and carol's not going to appreciate anything that's just happened it's all to do with her okay it'll be a funny goofy film the marvels with like one serious moment totally different i will say this though she hawks gonna have her hands full now yeah gaya will fuck her up man like who's gonna stop her who can stop her that's the thing like at least one thing that the boys did well at least in the first season for one i remember is like the idea of creating homelander is this terrifying presence who could destroy man yeah and now it's like oh yeah that's that's her she could destroy man go what's the stopper from flying around and using captain marvel beams on all the world's militaries and government institutions it was bad enough when we had captain marvel because she was so overpowered are they just casually drop gaya on us like this yeah this is like come on man actually is a good way to do it so bad yeah because they probably be like what do you mean casually is a huge thing it's like oh fuck off it was not you just decided this machine exists that can do this and then that was that just such a waste all of it we at that point again we always are at the end to break it down a new marvel thing we're just disbonded we wrap up i want to play pikmin for all right that was secret invasion uh i hope it was everything you were looking to watch us do you knew it was going to be bad so hopefully you had fun from watching us talk about it but seriously the day they make something good will be there we'll be as shocked as you are and as happy as can be it's only been but we're not gonna hold our breath for hours oh yeah that's a pretty good ratio this one went on longer than i expected it to you know this was my exact prediction because i knew this show was gonna there's just so many little details they're gonna have to go yeah i was thinking i might be able to do something else today but i think i'm gonna say i think there was a little time trickery because we hit like three hours before the first episode was done that doesn't make any sense i don't know how that happened yeah there using the retcon powers to alter the flow of time that is true looking it's funny looking back at that like how how did we do that how did that happen i don't know oh well yeah i can't believe it in 30 minutes it's midnight it's almost tomorrow but be it be six a.m so yeah on that note you know uh wait yeah before we go Jedi Brooks thank you so much for joining us good sir the whole 10 hours i've been here from the beginning what do you mean crazy man i said whoever doesn't know in this chat i've been here from the beginning before this podcast even had a name so it's an honor to be here and it was nice to have oh my goodness well i appreciate the letting us know so stuff and you know before we wrap up here why don't you give everybody a big ol the thing about what you do i'm getting tired i know everyone's tired um uh basically my bread and butter right now would be the scene comparisons um i want to stick to things that i'm passionate about rather than just bending the needs of the algorithm so my next video should be out in a few days it's a comparison between thanos's introduction and dark sides introduction because it's a fucking joke okay i'm also thinking of podcast ideas so i have jedi brooks live uh and jedi brooks gaming now so the two other channels i started uh big horror fans so you see a lot of dead by daylight and fast book phobia on that other channel but pretty much just trying to get all three moving and to see what we can go i hit 20k today actually so congratulations to that and the iron man video um probably the most successful one i've ever had and shout out to drinker for actually like taking the time to check out my videos and like you know give me a shout out on twitter because a busy dude like that i talked to very few people who actually like reached out to me it was really hard to get contact but he was respecting him for that like actually giving me that opportunity it was great oh yeah um and seeing you guys too this is amazing like to be able to come through and express shout out to the chat everybody this entire thing is crazy i can't believe we went this long but i kind of expected this like i said yeah and uh like there's a link to his channel in the description i think i think the efab fans love plenty to be able to check out if they want it yeah there's plenty of there's plenty of boba fad the boy season two mulan game of thrones little star wars lots of things pop up and i think they'll be interested in and yeah the uh the video that kicked off you i think was it this was the reason that uh drinker found you was the why iron heart sucks comparison oh it actually it was mid summer mid summer when i made a video i'm just watching chris stuckman talk about how he got stuck in the rain and shit during the review fucking moron and i was just like why isn't anyone talking about the god damn story like what happened in it and drinker was one of the only ones who actually did so way back then i gave him his credit for that and then a few months ago i saw someone super chat and asked him what he thought like was his most overrated movie and he sat there for a second really thought about it and then he said mid summer and i'm like fucking hell okay i'm sending this guy my video and he liked the video and that's how we first got in contact and um the Jurassic world video i had 42 re-render attempts to get that past you 40 fucking two i spent just ages on that so after that i was just like i can't have this video just die and get like 300 views i worked so hard on this this is one of my favorite franchises ever and i reached out to him and that's where you got me the shout out on twitter and invited me to open bar and things started blowing up around um the rings of power time oddly enough probably the worst video i ever made because i fucked up the audio but it blew up and insane and it got me from 300 to like 7 000 and that was like November and it's been off in there oh hey crazy keep at it good sir and um i'll probably check out the mid summer video because it was funny i only watched it recently like a couple weeks ago or so maybe a month time is a bit difficult now and uh when drinker found out he was like oh no what did what did you think and i was like he was like oh you loved it didn't you and i was like no i thought it was shit he was like okay right that would yeah that would have been an awkward car like i've i hate that movie like there's very few movies i could say i hate like moulin 2020 mid summer and tlj those are the ones that i've just like i despise those three mid summer is double standards the film it's just yeah stay away from it chat you haven't seen it well again thank you for hanging out it was a it was a fun ride as for us lot uh rags free anything you guys want to say i talk about you oh hmm i suppose not not at the moment um i'm plowing away i'm making a lot of progress on the main channel video lately um it's looking like it's going to be a very long video um but i otherwise i'm just uh i'm just carrying on just kind of working uh trying to resolve all my issues here and uh technically and hopefully it it'll be done when it's done you know it whenever that is but yeah progress is coming along well got myself on a good habit for you know getting work done i'm just working so it is editing all right well editing minds um like i said before schedule is expected to be the 19th you'll get an unbridled video on antman which uh myself and fringy been slaving over for some time and i'm looking forward to getting out but i will say because there is a potential unfortunately there may be a delay that is out of my and fringy and rags is control uh unfortunately it may get pushed further not because it's not done but because of something to get in order first and that thing will make more sense once the video comes out but obviously that would be unfortunate if that was to happen i'm hoping to do everything i can to not have that happen but i'd rather it be said as a potential now because i'm referring to get a hoard of people being like you said the 19th which is fair because i know it's been a while but you'll get the video it's gonna happen no way we put fucking get this close to completion without pushing it over the edge you know what i'm saying and then the week following the 26th will be efap 250 24 hour bonanza of which your course invited to mr brooks yeah for sure i've made it through your first 24 hours i like blacked out as soon as you guys got off i'll be down anytime anytime anytime you guys want me back just let me know absolutely um yeah other than that i uh as was mentioned at some hour i don't remember the uh the descent thing that's that's gonna be out possibly in a week's time i need time to edit that too jealous jealous my favorite horror movie it's crazy wow that's good it'll be fun to check out i'm sure but other than that that i mean i don't exactly know how much time i need to edit it because of the visuals it could be any it'll be between three and a week three days in a week that'll be the low and a high probably but fuck it i should never say that i'd be like no it'll take 10 years and then i'll put it out as a surprise and be like yeah there you go it's coming just leave it at that it is coming so um yeah on that note i suppose we're gonna head off so thank you all so much for joining us uh on a wednesday we'll release a catch-up especially this was uh the longest efap we've done in a while 10 and a half hours so um yeah they'll uh they'll come out and yeah thanks for keeping us company for watching and um we'll see you next time folks you sleep well now to the pitch yeah everybody all right we'll see you later oh my goodness i'm tired