 Hey So we're just gonna wait one or two more minutes give people a chance to join And then we'll kick things off Give everyone a chance to select the right virtual background. They prefer the most I Feel really lame for not knowing how to do that right now Okay, I think a lot of people have gone to this learning curve in the last couple weeks If you go to settings, there's a virtual background tab And then you can use one of their presets or you can insert your own image Yeah, I've been using this one sometimes That's fine, I'll go back here Why is that not an ethereum.org background well actually you just gave me an idea Give me a two seconds here And then we'll be ready. Here we go Can't see much though because I'm in the way of it. Nice. Okay. All right. I think we're probably ready to get started Thank you everyone for joining I'll share my screen so we can kind of work through this document together and I also posted a link in the chat, which you should have already seen to like the Notion page for this So that's what we're kind of be using for the agenda So to kick things off. Yeah, thank you for taking the time to join. I really appreciate it I know people are busy. I know there's a lot else going on the road right now We really appreciate the chance to get feedback from you and hear your ideas So I guess first of all who are we my name is Josh My colleague Sam is also on the call And we are two people that work on ethereum.org There's many more people that contribute I show some that the taion is on the call who manages the translation program, which is broader than just ethereum.org But is the program that we've kind of used to translate lots of the site over the last several months So there's many other people as well that contribute to ethereum.org. We're not the only ones But uh, we'll be the kind of ones, you know on the call today So what is the purpose of the call the basic idea is that you know, we want to make sure that we are Finding ways to involve people that we are, you know Gathering feedback that we are sharing our ideas and getting your responses to them So every month or two we're holding holding these community calls. This is the second one. We've ever done We're continuing to iterate on them Just a reminder. I mentioned this earlier. We are recording this call and the recording will be posted to youtube afterwards So make sure you're okay with that This was something that people requested when we got on the call last time So um, that is kind of my introduction. Um, we're going to go through a couple things You know both sam and taion have a bit of kind of like updates to give about recent changes and additions to the site And then we'll kind of open it up for discussion. We have one thing in particular. We want to get some feedback on But if there's other things that you want to talk about Um suggestions you want to make, you know problems you want to point out We'll turn it over to you for most of the call so Quickly two follow-ups from the last call one is the recordings already mentioned that the second is We talked last time about kind of sharing more of the research We did to define the user personas for ethereum.org And there's a link here in this document that again is in the chat To a memo that is just kind of a summary of our thoughts on this So it is you know a description of what the user personas are for ethereum.org in our view The research we did to kind of determine that And then you know some of the information that we've collected and that sam has recently updated With with up-to-date figures. So if you're into this kind of thing take a look Might be interesting to you to kind of understand what we're coming from if you see You know flaws in our analysis things that you want to point out Things we could think about differently. You can just add a comment directly to the document By kind of clicking on it and any any content So that's uh, that's it for kind of my updates Sam and tan i'll let you guys kind of run through the next bits here I'll jump in if I have any comments But otherwise i'll leave it to you to kind of talk about what we've added to the site recently See you and you want to kick it off Is she muted? Oh, yeah, uh, you're there we go Sorry Hi, uh, my name is tan I think this is the first time to introduce the translation program at the community call Um, do we have time to explain how this works? Briefly like before sharing the updates. Yeah, let's go ahead Okay, yeah So translation program is aiming to lower the language barrier within the ethermic system So our goal is to help community members of non-english speaking regions Including me to learn if they're even there mother tongues Our program is mainly led by the volunteers from all over the world We are cooperating with each other by using the translation program platform called crowden The process consists of three steps first translation second review lastly integration So when the translation is completed our professional review service provider will Proofread the quality of translation And then our github contributors will take over the final version To you integrating to the etherm work Yeah, which takes about like a three two Three weeks and yeah and more So that's a brief intro introduction of the translation program If anyone's interested, please feel free to join us. We need more contributors now And latest updates Um Yeah, so the last few weeks we've finally added new language swedish and indonesian While german slovak and arabic have been upgraded into the latest version 1.1 Um regarding the version updates i will explain shortly Additionally romanian turkish and arabic versions are done review So we're expecting them to be online within one or two weeks Uh, yeah, lastly i will explain our new version management system Yeah, uh, our website is getting more complex over the time by adding new contents and language So yeah, we've filled the need for introducing a version management system that can better track the different stage of each language How does it work? um Yeah, as you already have seen in the crowding We've created new folders with different version numbers which simply divided into version 1.0 and version 1.1 firstly Version 1.0 Is the very first version of the etherm work Most existing languages are remaining at this stage which indicates like a 48 percent. Yeah Version 1.1 is the latest version in crowding which contains the latest contents on our current website For every now We are working towards version 1.1 In the near future we'll add new contents for version 1.2 We'll probably include a recent updated community page and more This version updates will be conducted regularly And plan in the light of the overall progress of the translation in each language Why do we need this? Yeah, some of you sent a feedback to me the addition of the The latest content has dropped the progress percentage significantly like some of them drop in Even drop in half. Yeah, which is like 50 percent Yeah, so this radical change could potentially lower them a motivation of volunteer overall And I thought it will confuse newcomers where to start So by setting a different milestone Uh, I think our contributors can keep motivated and stay on track without feeling overwhelmed Yeah, this is my side. Yeah Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or good feedback Thank you Thank you to you and yeah, and I just dropped a couple links into this update section of the call notes So if people are curious Particularly the page at the um.org slash languages that provides a lot of info of not only just the progress Of each translation if you're eager to follow along But ways to get involved such as like joining our slack Um workspace that's just dedicated for the translation program itself So if you want to get involved, we encourage you to to check it out. We'd love to have you Um in terms of my updates Um, so one big initiative we've been Working on the past few months Um, if you are here for our first community call back in january Um, you heard me talk about this but essentially rolling out a new design system on ethereum.org Um, which is composed of two main elements one being design principles And I linked to that again in the call notes, but that's really just a brief document outlining like what are What is the guiding compass of ethereum.org's design? And the purpose here is to really like give a common ground for The ethereum.org team and the community at large. You may want to make a contribution Of just like what are again, yeah, these guiding principles that can help us make decisions Um, any design decision any new page or features ultimately going to come with trade-offs How do we make decisions? Um trying to take those trade-offs into account um It'll always be a work in progress So if you guys have feedback about it, you know, feel free to hit us up on twitter open an issue Whatever's more approachable for you definitely looking to continue to get feedback there um The second piece the design system is really just like the design itself So we worked with a couple um designers in the community to build a style guide in figma And over the past month We've been working with one designer in particular to actually implement that style guide Um, and what we're hoping this will give is just a lot more consistency to the site Um, hopefully a better user experience overall Um As well as just like reusable components that again if any contributor wants to say create a new page on the site They have like this toolkit to work with Um, and that's like I'd say 90 percent complete. We should Be finished with that At least the first iteration of that by the end of the month Which is pretty exciting So again open to feedback on all this stuff But that's one major focus. We've been pushing on What else do we have? I should just note too sam that a lot of these changes are already live on the site So if you are familiar with the site, you'll notice that a lot of this has actually changed recently In terms of how the links work the styling the footer Things like that. Um layout changes are coming next to a lot of these pages. Um, but many of these things are live already right And a big piece of this. Yeah, just to reiterate like With our design principle of just like modularity of you know Over the past nine months the content on the site maybe hasn't changed too significantly But we're hoping these design rollouts can get us in a place where it's much easier to Add additional content and I think Something we can discuss is like that will be a focus um For our team for the remainder of the year of just like now that the site's in a good place where it is Modular and scalable. Um, we can really start to add a lot more content. Um that the community finds useful Any questions on that before I move on Feel free to Send something in the chat um But content what I just brought up another piece we've been working on is just I mean the ethereum.org team as you can see is pretty small. Um, and we Have our own blind spots, right? Like we have our own perspective and experience Um and knowledge of ethereum But one thing we know for sure is like we do not know everything and we do not know what is best for ethereum.org so An initiative we kicked off at the beginning of this year was recruiting what we called a tiger team Of people domain experts community members within the ethereum space Who could give us feedback? Um and propose new initiatives specific to content and what we did was essentially worked with a handful of individuals to Take on one persona of ethereum.org and that was the individuals persona so if you think like the What is ethereum page? um, the wallets page the dApps page um And just trying to collect a lot of diverse feedback about hey, what is this page trying to solve? Does it solve it what on the page should change? What gaps are there? Um, and we get a lot of good feedback from that first content audit that we're Really right now in the process of just kind of synthesizing and turning into concrete action items, which you'll see reflected as github issues pretty soon And all that to kind of rally for if there are any like developers on the call or people who are particularly interested in developer relations or developer education Our next step is really going to be focusing on all developer specific content on ethereum.org and how we can improve the existing content Remove content that's not useful and add new content Where there are just like gaps out in the community of hey, there's this one topic area Or specific tooling that really doesn't have much documentation or information about it So we are accepting applications now you can see the link in the call notes If you have any interest in getting involved with that Um, I would love to chat with you. It's just a brief survey Just kind of getting a gist of you know, what is your experience with software development? ethereum software development specifically Um and areas you might be interested in helping out with Um, so if you again, yeah are interested or know someone who might be interested in doing this Um, yeah, we'd love to love to get you involved So just a quick question regarding user personas and how you guys see the content artists going moving forward Where do roles such as business marketing design kind of lay within those two personas of individuals and developers at this point? It's a good question Yeah, I would say um It's a bit of both, right? So for example, let's say you have a person who has a background marketing But you know doesn't work in the field yet. This might be relatively new to ethereum I would expect that user to be covered by individuals And they might be interested in for example going to the ethereum community page And then going to you know the sexual how I can get involved And reading about how you know, if I have marketing skills, I can do things here too, right? We kind of have a path for that On the other hand, maybe a designer who you know, maybe already works in the space Is more familiar Maybe they have a technical question because they are they work in a technical field They might be well served by you know, checking out ethereum studio To understand how like, you know, the front end of their design might interact with a smart contract They might be interested in you know, going to kind of other starting tools Served by this page So I'd say it kind of depends a little bit on on who it is But for the most part, I'd say that they're served by the individuals or the developers users on Does that make sense Akil? I'm not sure if I answered your question completely Oh, yeah, so I'm just trying to figure out like what's the Because we have clear flows for both individuals and for developers I'm wondering if there's a way to guide the learning for those individuals in a more Framed manner if if possible. I don't know if it's even possible. I see there's like a UI UX Area kind of buried on the developer's side of things. Um, right if we could surface that better somehow So people know that The resources exist Yeah, I guess they need to be a little bit more thinking around that Yeah, I think so I was just gonna say I mean, I think it's a great question It's something we've talked a lot about because ultimately we know the personas we have right now are imperfect, right? Like even for A developer, you know, they might be involved in enterprise and they're also probably an individual so It can create some confusion no matter who you are of like where exactly to go um Ultimately, we decided to just go with something and we went with these three simple personas What we've talked a lot about doing in the future and as we continue to develop content Is just having like sub categories within each um, for instance on like the what is ethereum page Right now. We just have one blanket explanation of what is ethereum But we all know Ethereum is multifaceted. It means different things to different people and it appeals To different people in different ways So we've thought about, you know, adding additional subsections of like, you know, are you a marketer? Like learning how this applies to you. Are you a lawyer? Um, so I feel like There definitely are ways where we can get more granular about this And I think that's a big reason like we tried to publish the user persona research is because One we're hoping it might be useful to other projects in the space But two is like, we know there's blind spots within it that we would love Feedback and ideas on so yeah, if like if you come up with an idea of like, hey This website is nice, but it's really not catered to product managers or designers at all Like in terms of tools for them to learn communities for them to get involved in Even raising the question is helpful for us Because right now we're just using our best judgment in terms of what to focus on Sounds good Okay, so I think next up sam was just the note about studio simplification and then Right, right. Thanks. Um So ethereum studio you folks may be familiar with Um, if you explore the developer's resources at all, you'll probably see some callouts to it. Um The goal of this project is really just to Give someone a quick idea of like the ethereum stack In, you know, five to 50 minutes if you will depending on how much time they want to spend poking around um But it's meant to provide, you know, like a Code sandbox like feel hopefully something an existing software developer is familiar with and can get a quick concept Up and running. Um, so we Have a couple like template projects that people can explore Um ways to compile and actually deploy their contract and interact with their dApp in this like preview browser So we released that late last year And since then I've gotten a lot of helpful feedback from folks And what we've been really doing is just trying to like trim out a lot of the features actually And just make the ui as simple as possible Just because it can be a lot for even an experienced developer to kind of hop in And see all these different pieces and how they interact um So yeah, again, just Continuing to iterate on this try to simplify it. Um, I linked to the github of this project if you guys do have ideas um, one thing we want to do in the coming future is run some sort of competition around Different templates that can, you know, demonstrate the value of ethereum and like why it's unique and valuable um, so stay tuned for that stuff And lastly related to that, um, just keep up On the radar for you folks. If you are developers, um, we will be Releasing a bunch of get coin bounties within the next few weeks Over the past six months, I'd say we ran some very small experience Experiments maybe like 20 bounties for a total of like $3,000 um But we had like really good success and engagement with that in terms of just people hopping in opening pull requests closing issues um So right now we're going through a process getting approval with the ethereum foundation to Like set up a much more streamlined flow where we can really try to scale up our bounty program And yeah, again, if you're considering different ways of getting involved I think that's an awesome way just to you know build up your github resume Make some money in your free time Um, and obviously get to contribute to open source, which hopefully people find exciting Um, that's it in terms of updates on my end Cool. Thanks, Sam. Um, so this is the part where we turn it over to you You know, like I said, I've got kind of one question I was going to ask but maybe we'll let's first just see if anyone has any like burning issues that they want to talk about um Anything that you know ideas they have, you know things they came here to complain about like, you know stuff that could be better You know, please The floor is open So I guess I I'll get started again. I should have a very go for these issue I'm doing research in regards to e2 ux and The initial indications we got from the community were like 35 of the people still look to the terran foundation for all their information So I'm just wondering what's in the pipelines as far as getting e2 information onto the website and especially with things such as the Uh Deposit ceremony, there's going to be a lot of issues with fishing attempts Um, and other security concerns. So I think we need some sort of source of truth for individuals to go to to learn about e2 and how to kind of get onboarded when It does the face the or it does go live in the next few months. Um, so I'm wondering if there's anything in the plans for that Um, so the short answer. Oh, I guess there's a couple things on this One is that so there's an important distinction between Ethereum.org and ethereum foundation Obviously some people that work for or work on ethereum.org like myself and like sam work for the ethereum foundation But really ethereum.org is just like a website that is built by many people in the community About ethereum. So it is should not be considered like the kind of like, you know, official communication channel of the foundation That more is the blog like the blog is kind of the source of, you know, all of these Um, you know, eth2 short updates that dandy and others have been writing. This is kind of the official communication channel For anything coming out of the foundation. So that is probably more likely. We're going to see that kind of thing In so let me that's the kind of the preface In terms of ethereum.org eth2 stuff specifically You know, right now we have some resources on the site about this But there's no sort of kind of dedicated page. That is something I would like to change in the coming months, you know, as You know, the next kind of phase goes live. There's going to be more attention on this people are going to have more questions I think there ought to be a dedicated eth2 page On the site the content for that just doesn't exist yet And the people, you know, with the knowledge to create it Are kind of busy getting us to that milestone. So it is in the pipeline And we could certainly write you the priority of that, but it is not, you know Coming up immediately next In terms of how, you know The foundation and the r&d teams working on eth2 should communicate about things Like the deposit ceremony. I'm not sure we can definitely talk about that now And I love to hear your insights about a keel, but it's not something that the ethereum.org team has thought about specifically Does that answer your question? I'll make sure I'm not kind of skipping over anything important there Yeah, that's I think the clarification between the community aspect of it and the blog is Quite important and then making sure that we highlight those blog posts within the context of the Dot org site is I think probably the best way forward for that um Just a way for people to surface that information faster and the more Linear fashion, I suppose Yeah, but I definitely agree that there needs to be kind of clear communication around these things and make sure that there is You know good information out there about it and that we minimize the risks that you mentioned Yeah, thank you. I I agree with you 100 percent. I mean it's a page that probably should exist um, I feel like we can definitely do a better job of just Empowering people to help make that happen too. Like after this call, I'll create an issue to like Generate a discussion for an e2.0 page But I I guess I just want to say like anyone does have the power to potentially do that of creating issue On the github repo say like hey, I think this is a page that should exist Maybe here's a couple resources or newsletters or blog posts that I think should be included on the page um, and that would really help to kickstart the discussion um and Make it happen I would say like one thing we just don't have a dedicated like say content writer or curator on the site right now um But we do have people in the community helping out with that I can give you one example from this week Just uh hopping in an eip ip meeting um And we talked about just like the lack or like the gap of knowledge for a lot of people of there's really no introduction to the ethereum improvement proposals and how that process works um, so someone Volunteered to write an introduction page um That hopefully will get included on ethereum.org So I think that just goes to show like people can make it happen if there is a need for that type of content And like you say people do Look to ethereum.org as a trusted source information um And then we can make the decision from there. Hey does this make sense Or should we just you know throw a couple links out to these other trusted sources and direct people there, um, if the information is already available elsewhere Okay, so in that regard you just mentioned that you guys don't have um A copywriter. Are you does the theorem dot org produce any content at this point or is it usually just all external? We do I'd say Josh you could definitely answer better. Yeah, I'd say the short is it's a mix of people who help out I mean, so You know parts of the site are really You know just a portal to other content, right? So if you look at like the developer resources page That is mostly, you know summaries and links to outside content Some of the parts of the site do have more written content like the You know, what is a theory and page is kind of a blog post? Um, you know, some of the other pages like the page is about like dApps and eth have some content We're going to be expanding that um after the like content audit that sam mentioned So there is a need for that Anyone that's interested in contributing copy to ethereum.org Definitely like get in touch with me. I'd love to chat with you and hear what you're interested in doing We do also rely on, you know community contributions You I mean you can go back and kind of look for the get up history But lots of people have, you know submitted changes of wording to certain pages We have asked people to submit, you know What is the right way to explain this concept and that's made it into kind of parts of the site So it is kind of a A combination of many different sources It's a bit like I mean to be clear like it's not like there's going to be kind of a The way you normally think of like a content copywriter who is like, you know Constantly just producing blog posts like that's not the goal The goal is that you know the content that is on the site is great Um, and that it can reflect what's needed and that we have the capability to Add the new pages we need to add and you know add the content we have to add So in any case if anyone's interested in in doing that definitely get in touch with me and I'd love to hear more about it Anyone else have kind of a an idea a question something they came here to say Floor's open Well, I can kick it off with so I mentioned that I had kind of one issue that we were trying to think our way through And maybe this group can help us do that One kind of so if you're looking at the shared screen that I've got here, let me just pull an example up So one kind of recurring challenge we have across the site Is the following we have pages like ethereum wallets and we list some wallets on this page And a big question is what wallets ought to go here Um, one thing that happens is you know People will submit pr's with you know the wall that they've just launched That might don't have any users and maybe it's a great wallet But you know, how do we decide What goes on this page and what doesn't so far? We've relied on you know asking people in the community Asking people who have a lot of experience thinking about kind of wallets and use your experience We're definitely making some changes to this list Following the content on the same mentioned, but it's a recurring question You know in a way, this is kind of a governance question who gets to decide what get listed here It shouldn't be everything. Um, but you know, there should be a circle of people that can contribute to this Um, you know, we have a similar question with the uh use ethereum page Which lists some applications we are going to be changing this list, but there's still a persistent question of How do we decide what goes on here? How do we make sure that we're not sending people to A really bad application that's going to leave them with a bad experience if it was their first time or using ethereum But we also want to make sure that we're you know bringing attention to good stuff that comes out of the community So this is a a challenge that we're wrestling with right now and and that we're thinking about different solutions to And I'd love to know if anyone on this call has any thoughts about the right way to do that You know things to avoid things not to do good ideas you have Open floor again to to share your thoughts on this Yeah, just um really quickly. I mean this is an idea that just came into my mind Um, I I just read it in the chat But if there's a publicly available set of criteria for wallets to feature and and for other sorts of Um tools that you guys feature on ethereum.org then I think that could be really helpful and I mean that criteria can be Obviously constantly updated and people can add to that set of criteria But I think if the community can come to an agreement on like what do we want in like A really awesome wallet like what do we look for like as the call like You know kind of collective group of people then That's like one way to judge wallets you guys can feature because otherwise It would just that list would get way too long and be a little bit unhelpful Right, right. Uh, do you have any opinions about what those criteria ought to be? Yeah, I I put in the chat I think like number of users privacy guarantees are super important. I think like maybe dividing like I mean for the wallet Example like dividing up kind of wallets that are like custodial wallets and wallets that you know are maybe more Can guarantee and anonymity You know just kind of thinking about like the norms that the ethereum community kind of um takes into account and like dividing that list of wallets up against those norms, but I don't know that's just my preference Just to build on the criteria side of things. Um, there's a few um Google sheets that exist where people are trying to solve this problem already. So once kind of led by um Billy, right? Billy and then there's a few others that just popped up. Um, so we've been kind of looking at Seeing what's the best way to do that? So one of the suggestions was having at least like Top five type situations suggestion for new users that come into the ecosystem and that's based on an aggregate of all the Different criteria that are there and then you can choose how you want to weigh them But that gets a bit more complicated. So I think once those those resources are out You can probably plug into them and not have to do that work yourself. Um, but could be an option Do you know where I can find those? I I do remember seeing the one that Billy shared on twitter But are there like where would I go to find these other ones? Um, I'll have to I'll paste them in the notion Okay, go from there And just noting that sam added to the note document here that there is an issue already um about Um, this I think this already existed right sam. Yeah from February about kind of what these criteria should be So if anyone has other thoughts like feel free to jump into this issue and add things Maybe we'll even take the notes from the discussion here that like helen suggested for example Um, and kind of paste them into this conversation Oh, thanks Martin Okay, so that's you know, that's kind of one that's the wallet side of things Um, another is obviously how to think about you know, what daps go up here and maybe another way of attacking this and getting your feedback would be to say um You know from your perspective like what are the kinds of applications That we should be sharing with someone who's new to a theorem right because you know this this page is really about Someone who's pretty new to this and they're excited by what they've read and what they've heard about a theorem And they go here and they're like cool. I want to use it Um, and we want to you know kind of give them some sort of experience that you know It's positive that is inspiring that you know, they they have like an impact on or has an impact on them Um, they don't have any thoughts on like, you know, how we should think about that like what is the ideal experience? Of of starting to do that and maybe what are the non-ideal experiences that you try and avoid? No opinions none at all Sam do you have any thoughts on this? Yeah, I mean it's something we've talked about it's It's definitely a tricky situation like I think for one similar to the wallet curation we were just talking about is like there needs to be hopefully some sort of quality threshold of like hey, you need to meet this certain bar I don't know what the right objective measures are in terms of like number of users or you know amount of value transacted, but the last thing we do Last thing we want is to show an application that someone goes in doesn't understand Potentially get scammed or loses money somehow, right? um so There's that minimum threshold of like security and usability um, but to your point, I think There are just like tiers of experience with Ethereum ecosystem broadly and potentially just like financial literacy um That are worth taking into account um so One thing we've talked about doing, you know, is like creating at least like a very simple type Like app store Experience where we can at least like categorize certain applications That could let the user pick their own journey Like maybe they just want to play a very simple game Where they can learn like oh, here's how you can um, you know like play a lottery um Versus like here's some You know set protocol Have a basket of different investments like that is much more geared towards someone who understands, you know portfolio management at a high level So it's a tricky question because we do see such a broad range of experience But it is mostly new people who even them may have completely different backgrounds when it comes to Finance or legal or environmental stuff um So yeah, it's something we we'd love input on from folks I would think um, you could take some guidance from the keyword That people search for so if people are searching for stable coins Perhaps you surface those tabs a bit higher than let's say i'm looking at the list here Um a theorem daps and theorem games only get like 6 000 searches per month whereas Something like stable coins get 70 000 So perhaps you guys could do some more further analysis on what kind of resources or links Feed into the content for a theorem dot or right now and then Go accordingly to that Yeah Yeah, I think that's a great idea I wouldn't want to read too much of that. I guess just because Um, I I mean this is this is a hypothesis But I think that probably a lot of people that end up on this page who can most benefit for from it Don't even know what to search for right like they might not even understand that there are such things as a theorem games And so they're not searching for it. Um, they like don't even know what questions to ask when they get to this page And so I wouldn't want to read too much into the search volume because I expect the search volume Is an indicator of what people know Once they know more but not Necessarily the kind of user we're looking for here I'm not sure if that's right, but it's kind of a Thought that I had about kind of avoiding reading too much into this sam. You can tell me if that's totally wrong based on your experience Sam's a lot of Actually, that's fair right is like to give context to everybody I mean the large majority of search volume around ethereum is for its like head Terms like ethereum. What is ethereum? What's an ethereum wallet? But you do get a lot of targeted search volume as a keel mentioned for stable coins or defy or specific projects in that space, which You kind of do have to make some level of assumption of just like what is the intent or level of understanding But I would say people searching for ethereum stable coins probably have a pretty good sense of what ethereum is and aren't exactly the people coming from the What is ethereum page to learn about dApps? So that's a challenge we face, but I think a keel you do bring up a good point of like We can start with the the high keyword search volume And at least give that as an option for people to learn more about Um, we've talked a lot about creating, you know industry pages or application pages Um use cases whatever you want to call it where we do explain Hey Here's some concrete tangible Examples of like what people are building on ethereum and what it is used for So Again going back to that like app store analogy if gaming or finance is a category that could give us A way to start to explain those concepts whether you are a newcomer or whether you came here specifically looking for that topic Uh, so i'm just noting so in the chat, uh, james suggested Um, you know one way we could Maybe solve part of this problem is part of some of the kind of risks you mentioned sam would be to have Um applications listed here that are um built on testnet and so we can kind of more easily Send them to a faucet to get testnet eth and then they don't have to like the the bar is a bit lower to do that Um, I don't know if you've any any thoughts on on that Or james if you want to kind of add to that picture feel free Yeah, I mean I like that a lot personally. I think anytime we can start with a sandbox environment Get people comfortable with the tools Um, if it is metamask or whatever other wallet This person's using and installing Not having to actually go through a kyc process to acquire eth in order to participate Um, but instead just go to a faucet website to get some tokens um To me, yeah, that's like a much lower barrier to onboarding someone and less risk overall So Yeah, I like that idea a lot I'm just curious. I really don't even know like how many applications out there have You know testnet experiences for them such as you know pool together or various other ones, but that's something I'll definitely look into after Yeah, I'm not sure that's kind of my concern too is that the the user experience in other ways of a testnet app might be a lot worse because People are probably not going to put the same resources into it as they're going to put into their actual main net release And also that some of the testnet faucets are just literally broken and don't work half the time. Yeah I think the other consideration is just the trade-off of More education of what is a testnet? way, there's multiple Different universes where ethereum lives parallel to each other There is risk of overwhelm in that sense But maybe it is worth the benefit if you can get someone up and running In a quicker low risk environment Okay, and just noting Gabrielle added some suggestions in here too about I'm not familiar with adapt.ps But a couple links that I'll check out later. So Gabrielle, thank you for sharing those And you added the repo too. Oh, yeah, Andy's saying, okay From status, cool Okay, I mean we're coming to the close end of the time Anyone else have any kind of thoughts ideas criticism suggestions? Anything at all you'd like to share and immemorialize in this youtube video Otherwise we can call it there Hey everyone I'm Pooja From the cat orders team this website ethereum.org is really helpful for the newcomer The cat orders teams are also trying to help out the newcomers coming up to the ethereum community to Kind of point out to the right Place where they can contribute in a way and I'm hoping to work with you guys to You know kind of update more of more contents to it, which may be Frequently asked question type of thing that we are receiving from Receiving at our end would be sharing that with You people and hopefully it would be helpful to make this website more usable for newcomers Yeah, definitely. Um, I mean feel free to send us a message after I what's the name of the organization or the The the website you mentioned We are a group of ethereum cat hurdle. Basically. Oh cat orders. Yeah, of course Sorry Yeah So like we are trying to we are trying to you know, kind of create Environment for newcomers. We are in already inviting everybody who wants to ask a question please feel free to reach out to us at the getter and We'll try to come up with some FQ questions that we are already getting from the community with you people sam. I already know you and josh I know you now. So, yeah Yeah, please be sure Yeah, I'd be great Everyone's contacts too. Um, you know the new community page Was a product of many people contributing in including like multiple people from the cat orders So, I mean, thank you again for helping kind of get that content up up to date So yeah, as soon as you have things to share, we'd love to kind of you know, try and collaborate and and use content that you have already to improve the website Sure. Thank cool Okay, anything else anybody otherwise happy to call it there and Say goodbye till next time Hi, this is Harith Yeah, go ahead Um Sorry, I came in a bit late. So I'm sure I lost a lot of context here. No, no, no problem That's sort of two two angles. So I'm coming from is so I work as community at it is can and we have a lot of User emails and a lot of them are sort of newer ish kind of people and Just throwing it out there such that if there's any way we can sort of lead them to The resources that you guys have mentioned that would be That that's something that that is kind of an offer Um Yeah, then separately. Uh, so I'm I'm an organizer of one of the ifiri meetups Uh, mine is in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Um so We've been running it for about kind of two years now, uh, and so There's there's been thoughts that we've had around how Meetups can help onboard people from their local areas and So so, uh, there's two sides to that. Uh, one is how to help keep the meetups Sustainable without sort of relying on on handouts or or sponsors. And at the same time If we can come up with like a project that is coordinated between the various meetup organizers With with east.org as a kind of Like a template provider, uh, in a way so that there is a consistency between the different, um sort of Local chapters if you can call them that. Um Yeah, so there can be sort of projects that that we do around that and Kind of like what you guys mentioned. There's if there's a realness to it um And with the with the added sort of angle of having a local person to Who help you out, uh, it might Sort of help get people more interested Yeah, definitely. Um, I should mention too. So, um Do you know our is your meetup? So we have this page right community and we Yeah, yeah, uh, is it is it on there? Yep. Yeah Oh, great. Okay I don't see it, but Uh, it's Malaysia. I think oh excellent. Okay. It's not KL. Yeah, cool. I just want to make sure that you're already on there Um, cool, and I should also mention I I think Maybe we can connect afterwards, but I know that there's some work starting to be done um by so a few people in the Ethereum foundation in terms of just Trying to kind of map out the meetup ecosystem Understand it better and you know, maybe kind of do some of the you know support and coordination activities you mentioned So maybe let's message afterwards and I can figure out Who's doing that right now and connect them to you because it sounds like they're my you might already have some ideas That that they could benefit from And in terms of you know, how to kind of use your your user base your mailing list to kind of help promote content Definitely something we'd love to have help with Are most of your users Developers or I mean like what is the kind of the demographic like would they benefit from You know, for example a blurb about Ethereum studio and you know, the kind of getting started resources on Ethereum.org Would that be like so it's beneficial for your audience? um, so a breakdown of the users would be um Roughly like half are considering themselves as Super like normal users. Uh, so like very basic stuff and maybe a quarter Would say their developers Well, great. I mean, maybe sam I can go in and think about this, but um, we'd be very happy to You know, maybe add a write a short little blurb or you know, some links that we think are you know, the best starting point for A totally new person who's not a developer as well as a link about, you know, where developers can get started I think that'd be very helpful Yeah, heard if I would just add I mean similar to how puja thank you for Offering to share just like frequently asked questions, but if there are like continuous questions that you get Maybe you guys just don't have the bandwidth to you know, like add to your knowledge base Whatever that question may be we'd love to know because you guys are the ones on the front lines interacting with a lot of users And their struggles or just their gaps in information So if there's like pages we should be creating that just don't exist out there Um, we definitely love to hear from you in terms of like where we could help out Sure Yeah, so uh, we do get a lot of support tickets. I will double check with the support team and I can let you know what are some sort of Ethereum questions that that are always asked Awesome, thank you Yeah, I'd be very interested to see the support ticket for either scan. I'm sure that you do a very high volume for those Providing such an essential service cool Okay, um, we're at time everybody so I think we'll call it there Thank you again for joining. We really appreciate it. Um, and hope to see some of you on the next community call as well Thanks everybody Thanks everyone. Bye. Stay safe. Stay sane See you next time