 Saya akan mulakan dulu. Nama saya Mike. Saya telah... Saya memulai projek ini, projek saya, sekurang-kurangnya 5 tahun lalu. Saya melakukan rumah sendiri. Sebelumnya, saya mencari rumah saya, dan saya mencari semua produk rumah ini. Tapi 5 tahun lalu, saya tidak dapat mencari banyak-banyak. Saya mempunyai sistem yang sangat ekspensif. Sebelumnya, saya beli sesuatu dari Euro. Saya memulai untuk Honeymoon. Kemudian saya mencari beberapa devices yang digunakan oleh Singapura dan mencari. Jadi, saya mencari elektrik saya, memasukkan lampu saya, memasukkan kelas saya, dan mencari. Kemudian, saya memulai blog saya sendiri. Ini adalah Domotic.sg. Di mana saya periodikasi mencari perkara yang merupakan perkara yang saya membuat untuk rumah saya. Kemudian, saya mulai membeli produk rumah saya di website saya sendiri, Automat Asia. Jadi, saya telah melakukan ini selama 3 tahun. Jadi, saya melakukan ini untuk perniagaan selama 3 tahun. Jadi, saya tidak ada di sini untuk mencari apa-apa. Saya hanya mencari dan berkata, seperti yang saya beritahu, beberapa tahun lalu, ini adalah produk yang terkenal. Preston adalah yang mempunyai perniagaan untuk rumah saya, yang sama dengan Kontrol 4 dan 7. Tetapi, walaupun sehingga hari ini, ia mencari sekitar 5 juta. Untuk membuat pengalaman rumah yang mudah, seperti perniagaan, perniagaan dan perniagaan. Jadi, itu banyak tahun lalu. Sekarang mereka masih di sini, tetapi, selama beberapa tahun ini, saya melihat banyak pelajaran rumah saya di sini, BN ZigBee, Wi-Fi, beberapa pelajaran di Bluetooth dan beberapa, mungkin anda dapat melihat di Taobao atau Aliexpress, anda melihat banyak pelajaran rumah saya di sini. Saya melihat 4, 3, 3 perniagaan. Jadi, ini adalah beberapa pelajaran. Dan satu yang saya menggunakan di Z-Wave. Okey, saya, anda boleh panggil saya bias, tapi saya benar-benar bias dengan Z-Wave. Jadi, kenapa saya tidak memilih? Saya akan beritahu kenapa saya tidak memilih setiap mereka. Untuk ZigBee, walaupun mereka berkata, adalah protokol oton, tetapi setiap perniagaan akan memperkenalkan cara mereka sendiri menggunakan ZigBee, bahawa anda beli produk dari perniagaan A, anda tidak dapat menggunakan B. Anda beli light street dari perniagaan A, anda beli smart home hub dari perniagaan B, ia hanya tidak berfungsi. Dan walaupun sekarang, anda tidak dapat mencari banyak produk dari ZigBee. Ya, jadi, Wi-Fi, anda tidak perlu berlalu banyak, ia sudah dikongsi. Anda sudah mempunyai banyak Wi-Fi perniagaan di rumah. Kenapa anda harus membuat lebih banyak? Kemudian, perkara lain adalah Bluetooth. Jadi, Bluetooth, anda selalu perlukan telefon untuk bekerja. Saya tidak pernah melihat sesiapa-siapa yang boleh bekerja tanpa telefon sekarang, untuk memperkenalkan. Kemudian, dalam perniagaan produk, ia benar-benar sebuah cara untuk pergi. Kemudian, terutamanya, anda membeli dari satu perniagaan, mungkin tidak memperkenalkan dengan lain perniagaan. Anda tidak dapat mencari banyak perniagaan untuk memperkenalkan juga. Ya, dan kemudian ia memperkenalkan perniagaan satu-satunya. Parti perniagaan ini adalah sesuatu yang terutamanya di Z-Wave dan ZigBee, yang berkata, jika anda memperkenalkan telefon anda untuk mencari hidup, jika ia memperkenalkan, anda akan memperkenalkan. Ya, tetapi, jika anda memperkenalkan 4-3 sistem, anda memperkenalkan, ikon berubah untuk memperkenalkan tetapi, jika anda memperkenalkan, ia tidak beritahu anda bahawa ia telah diperkenalkan. Jadi, saya sangat membeli dari Z-Wave. Dan, perniagaan untuk Z-Wave adalah, ia mempunyai lebih dari 200 perniagaan. Tetapi, jika anda memperkenalkan Z-Wave, anda dapat memperkenalkan. Jadi, anda dapat membeli sesuatu daripada Z-Wave, membeli sesuatu daripada Z-Wave, Z-Wave, dan semuanya berkata-kata. Ya. Kemudian, anda dapat memperkenalkan Z-Wave. Jadi, dengan Z-Wave, perniagaan sebenarnya bercakap dengan orang lain. Jadi, anda tidak akan memperkenalkan kecuali kecuali daripada wif-wif, bahawa suhu jalan jalan jalan jalan jalan jalan jalan, jadi, anda dapat menggunakan Z-Wave untuk mengubah setiap jalan jalan jalan. Jadi, saya baru beritahu, ada banyak produk yang berguna untuk mempunyai, dan ada banyak API, banyak haps yang anda dapat diselesaikan dari Z-Wave untuk memperkenalkan. Okey. Sebelah saya memperkenalkan, Saya akan masuk ke set-demo yang lebih mudah Macam mana orang biasanya memperkenalkan smartphone? Mereka akan pertama membutuhkan hal Z-Wave Anda dapat melihat hal smartphone di sana Saya rasa banyak orang akan membutuhkan hal smartphone Tetapi, ada banyak hal Z-Wave di sana, seperti Vera Ini adalah satu lagi yang banyak hubungan seperti yang kami gunakan Ini adalah Z-Wave Hub Lebih membutuhkan hal Z-Wave Jika saya akan membutuhkan analogy, Vera adalah Android Z-Wave Hub Dan Z-Wave Hub adalah iOS Z-Wave Kemudian, satu lagi yang lebih berbunyi di Pomsia Sangat selalu digunakan di US Tetapi, kami masih mencari bagaimana kita boleh membutuhkan hal Anda dapat melihat hal Z-Wave Hub berbunyi di banyak bahagian Contohnya, Vera Ia berbunyi di Z-Wave, Wi-Fi dan Wifi Ini adalah cara untuk membutuhkan hal Z-Wave Bahkan, beberapa hal smartphone ini akan membutuhkan hal Z-Wave Sebab itulah, hal Z-Wave akan membutuhkan hal Z-Wave Tetapi lagi, hal yang lebih berbunyi adalah Z-Wave Jika kita membutuhkan hal smartphone Selalu mencari hal SMIC di tempat tinggi Perkara, lapang, dengan berbunyi Dan anda membatukan seluruh sengaja di rumah Jadi, untuk hal Z-Wave, bagaimana perlukan? Heap-bebe perlukan hal Z-Wave Saya ada satu di sini Yang hanya membutuhkan hal dan mengaw Cyberpunk Yang lain adalah hal Z-Wave Di mana anda menggunakan hal ini? Jika anda memiliki hal normal Membuat hal ini di dalam pembentangan dan kembali ke atas kawasan dan kembali ke atas kawasan That's how the Z-Wave hub will be able to communicate to your likes Then for air conditioning we have this Z-Wave to infrared extender, that means once you send that means you can also use your phone send to the Z-Wave hub to turn on the aircon and then you will send the infrared to turn on your aircon Then for your curtains you will need motorized curtain track first then we put in a Z-Wave to control the motorized curtain track Ya For door locks, I brought one here This is the Denna lock which looks like a very looks like August if you have seen all those Kickstarter projects, one of the locks is like it just replace the thumb turn and I heard it lock and unlock a lot Different from those traditional ones you see from here, Samsung will actually change the entire entire lock and you have a fingerprint or a number pad in front Ya So there are choices, you also have a Z-Wave lock that we can communicate to that in terms of sensors Ya, there is a lot of sensors but here I'm just showing like we have a door sensor that detects the opening and closing of door So at my place what I do is if I reach home after 6.30 I open the door the entrance will come out If I reach before 6.30 and open the door, nothing happens Then again, sensors there is quite a number of multi-sensors in the Z-Wave product range So this is one of multi-sensors that can do motion sensing, light sensing and for that motion sensing temperature sensing So what I do in my own house I put this sensor in my kitchen If I walk into the kitchen before 10 o'clock it actually turns on the main light If I walk into the kitchen after 10 then it turns on the night light So these are the smartness that you can put inside your house If you go for a traditional motion sensor as long as there's motion it will always turn on once in a while But this one you can choose timing as well as what kind of lights will turn on Then I also put this thing in my window So if the sun shines into the room then my curtain closes So there's many things you can play with it And typically my customers will order the more daring one In Z-Wave setup you always have that means whenever I engage my customer there's 2 parts one is electrical wiring that means wire all these light switches into your light switch Then the other part is the software setup where we order set all the logics that I mentioned earlier So some customers they are daring they just buy it off the shelf and then they just wire it in themselves and then they also do the software setup themselves So this is very possible because the Z-Wave ecosystem itself is very DIY But in Singapore still a lot of people will say why don't you do everything for me I don't want to worry I don't want to learn So the busy people will say pay me a wire for me It's not fun So the middle is the smarter ones will say I will pay someone to do the electrical and then they will do the setup This is the most fun So let me show you my demo over here Basically I have this smartphone setup the Fibarro one which is this this one and then I have a light switch over here So my demo will be something like this This is just my very very basic setup I have this light switch which is already pad to the smartphone So whenever I turn on the light the system will actually indicate So on your smartphone you will be able to see even though you're not at home Then what I'm going to do now is do a very simple pairing Take for example if I just bought the home center I have installed a module inside my light switch So how do I start controlling that particular light So what do I do is I go to devices and then I try to add the device It's like you pair a Bluetooth device So generally I will just say add this is the thing that I put inside my light switch So generally if I press the light switch I can also add but now I'm just touching the device already I think I've added before in the presentation before I actually detected I'm adding this particular whatever thing that needs to do because in this little device itself there's a lot of parameters that you can set You can set whether it detects the light This is the demover light So you detect the most dim and the most crime So a lot of parameter that is happening So now here it appears as a new device that has been added to the hub So you can see just turning on-off it will actually affect this particular download It's nothing special You can buy it off anywhere from Belastip But because we connected this to the Z-Way module it can control the demover of download So if I do you can see the intensity of the brightness So over here this is how we add one device So you can add many devices like all your light switches add 20, 30 of them and we start to add for a certain So what I'm going to show you right now is something like what I've just mentioned if I actually come back home and then open it Okay, you notice when I close the door this little door icon here this is due to this door sensor over here It sends that door open So obviously if I open the icon there it opens immediately So now how do I link up as a logic Okay, so I can say I go to scene Scene is a logic that you set into the smart home gateway to see if something happen then do what? But again this scene is block diagram, quite easy to setup So I say if door sensor this guy my entrance like go to scene and then I say scene, door sensor is bridge bridge means is open There's many you can bridge and arm I don't want to go into it but typically people just do bridge and save it's close bridge is open So I name the scene, door open So generally you can see it's very immediate once you open it actually takes quite fast So it will if you were to add you will do the same thing using Samsung SmartThings it will be almost it might not be as fast at this because this one is everything running in Opel it doesn't need internet connection if you ever buy a Samsung SmartThings you always need internet connection to do all this setup This one my wifi doesn't have any internet connection So the Samsung SmartThings will send the command all the way to the cloud and then the logic there happens and come back all the way in So that's the good thing about some of the zero heart from there doesn't need internet connection So now door open my light still on, what happens So it's either I change my logic to say turn off the light after 5 minutes because I come home open the door I don't need cap of light, 5 minutes later I need it in this case I don't do 5 minutes so I do something like I just add to the logic and say and turn off so it turn on immediately and turn off after 10 seconds once you have every of this device in your house and it can start playing with the logic so a lot of logic you need to live in a house, use it and then you realise it works or not at first I bought motion sensor and put it in my room I thought I can go inside the room and for motion sensor I go walk in the room, the light turns on ok, very happy I sit down on my laptop doing nothing the motion sensor things that I'm not there, so it turns off I think it's common when you go to all those meeting rooms once you sit down and do nothing you have to waste so the good thing about this then I realise it doesn't really work that way so you probably have to tweak the scene and say if there's more motion for half an hour then you turn off the light and in the middle if there's some motion then you ignore what was previously executed so in this case just imagine if this is a motion sensor and it say it's preach the other one is if it is safe then in the case of the motion sensor we have to say if it's safe then it turn off the light but we don't want it to turn off immediately we just set a delay and say it's safe for 50 seconds then you turn off the light so these are the things that you need to play around once you have all these things in the house again, smart home is not all about having a smartphone you can control and that's about it to me, a smart home is something that you don't need a smartphone because it's just you don't control any product can do it but the home is only smart at the phone so it's a lot compare so this is the lock that i'm talking about just now i was telling you about a serious smart home so opening up the the sensor this is just a very normal dog even in front it looks like just a normal dog so this lock actually help you to turn that thing that locks your dog so what you can say in the logic is if the door is closed then auto lock the lock but in this case i mean we can also activate it like that the good thing is in front it doesn't look like a special dog you still can use your key and you still can remotely use your phone to unlock the door if someone comes by and particular this lock you can also link to airbnb it comes out from this own app you link it to airbnb you can say temporary issue this code to this guest you have in airbnb so some of the airbnb owners actually use this lock to manage their keys instead of having to hide the keys somewhere go somewhere to meet the guest up to this point i lose anyone any specific question it's like so do you like plug into your mains or do you charge them right now in there oh no okay this kind of door lock it's in front of your battery you see there's 4 batteries so don't have to keep the batteries charged how long is the battery life battery life is around 6-9 months okay then what happens after that basically you just pop this out and it's very special if this one is first a cover so in the case if there's low battery right on the system itself it will also notify you does it actually increase my electricity bill because now you have so many more connected devices that run power so people find that actually i'm actually spending more in this system my answer is yes and no okay why is because in my own place you know when you switch off when you don't switch off your electricity bill that standby it's also taking a lot of power the standby for all this module is less than half robot yeah so the way if you use this to manage those standby electrical appliances you actually say compare to just letting them go on standby so that is how you use it but generally if you say you have hundreds of minutes running 0.5 watts then you're always using few of that so it doesn't increase tremendously but if you use it correctly it actually difference i didn't have a chance to show in this demo because in this system we can also have something like electrical so motion sensor using practical sorry? okay okay nowadays to me motion sensor is for convenience it's not for saving because this particular LED downlight how many watts does it take i mean that few seconds of few minutes of flight it's totally inevitable so personally i feel motion sensor it doesn't really save energy it only has to be convenient now that the downlight it's very energy efficient aha it's the same as Z-Wave so belkin again it's running it cut off the power to the fan but belkin is still taking power because it need to be connected to wifi and that is another reason why i don't choose a wifi because a wifi device all this low power transmission like Z-Wave the power is very low to keep it on but if to keep the wifi on it's quite using quite a bit of power what do you use motion sensor or power sensor? because motion sensor son of the pack owner and why you buy power sensor because pack owner pack owner so the motion sensor pack owner okay the motion sensor itself is actually a passive infrared sensor it's an infrared sensor so that day when implementing this for one customer he put the motion sensor in his bathroom so he was expecting that once he push open the door the toilet light but it will not happen until he step inside it's a passive infrared sensor you need to cut through his vision to activate the sensor so most of motion sensor will also apply to pads because pads have heat so unless you keep iguana pads have heat so as long as you walk past the vision of the motion sensor no, the notebook doesn't need to be on all the time this feather is on all the time this gateway maybe i'll hold it a little higher this particular gateway will need to be on all the time and it's connected to a router okay or it's very very useful right now and you see it's going to go because let me show you this particular page where some of you guys came in from D3,541 we started 4 tahun lepas 4 tahun lepas so of course there's a lot of locals inside here again, there's also a lot of foreigners inside here because i don't think there's any other home automation group that's their problem so because of you know Singapore's smart nation initiative and all those for those starting to have smart home already in build people get interested and want to find out and then they realise it's actually not so expensive just like i mentioned the sub and control 4 the traditional one you need 5 digits to implement the normal apartment for smart home this Z-Wave you just need 2k plus to control all your so it's not like 10k anymore and if you were to implement yourself you can actually do a lot of things so all like sorry again if you want to use the relay it's because you want to keep your existing plastic switch you work with a regular normal plastic switch that you see so unless you want to have aesthetic people usually choose this because it looks nicer but there's not much of a difference in terms of operation just that it looks nicer most of the new houses the old houses because some of the old houses unless they are HDB they have this plastic box that protrudes out of the wall the car is not sufficient you need 1 step bigger for them to fit not that easy the old housing the box is outside i'm not sure i'll do that i have a question this car i know that it doesn't fit so wiring side is that on the wall there is a different wiring but it's just a different way but it's no aggregation it's a different way sorry if i use this kind of switch it doesn't support this kind of switch is on-off and the relay is on-off if i use a dimmer i will use usually a dimmer if i use this switch i will tell the direction to install this module and the light itself so dimmer dimmer the bulb your light must be dimmer in the first place so is this the same number of wires no the wiring is the same but dimmer no, it's the same it's the same number of wires whether it's dimmer, light or not it's just different parts that you plug into this thing so actually for this system the triggering system will be a medium way infrared ocean and your phone of course i think it's like that you say from the central you set up for example at the top all you see infrared and direct to the side so what do you think it will work okay i don't have any more tech here this is a central but i have something like this this is the infrared blaster but it's a z-wave that means it receives a z-wave signal and then sends out an infrared signal ya so infrared blasters are there but the third point this is all over so you don't turn it on and then you device it and it sends in one no if you don't use an ACONS so yes this is the same thing unless you have because usually when in your house your ACONS will be the same red you take the same remote you can control both then it will encodder the same thing so usually if i need to separate that amount because this one is 360 so i will take i'll take so that it goes one direction if i say it is a cure 100% i'm just lying because this gateway has its own ID password facility but it doesn't mean that it is free from someone really try to hack into it i think it's possible but it's not laid out and open for people to just it's like your ip camera this is your default password someone going to see your house so it's the same concept this is a few hundred dollars it can't really defend from really a hack in it now i'm not connected and i can still set it up yes yes like your door over there is it it sends it's sensing either my phone that means it sends i set up basically i just do a pairing of the phone do to this and it recognises the phone that it can pad to and then this guy also have a software encryption key so inside the phone how secure is it how secure is it again i wouldn't so some of my customer always ask me this question i just tap some of my customer always ask me this question is it secure plainly i will say no i wouldn't say it's 100% secure because anything electronic anything digital even banks get a hack so why would a few hundred dollars system say no way it's not going to get a hack unlike real life if you are talking in that sense between the gateway and this door let's don't talk about likes likes when you do pairing it's a very straightforward simple pairing if you are able to proof the signal of this communication you can turn on the light but for the door that is another encryption key between the lock and the gateway so again it's not late and open but i think if you do brute force over many years you will be able to find the key but you have to see outside someone's house for a few years i wouldn't say it's 100% secure yes so unfortunatly my echo is not cooperating with me you just don't want to connect to my wifi so in my house i don't use my voice so i say turn on dihame turn on living turn on cutters so we develop our own software bridge running on this press verify that allows echo to talk to it so again that time i did share on this group also we also did for this is my house this is the apple home gate apple home gate so once you turn on the ios 10 you turn on apple home gate through this particular bridge it also thinks that this system i would love to demonstrate so that's the fun part about Zway because there is a lot of focus in the community they develop open source thing then you can actually make them talk to echo, make them talk to homecape, make them talk to google home i think google home will be the next one mine has arrived in the US so waiting for it to achieve over so so just now i almost trying to share this part where so to me a smart home is something that doesn't need your phone anymore either you use sensors or use timing to do things according to what you want if not you use voice to tell Alexa turn on light or you can even control it through home kit via apple watch so unfortunately still a lot of companies trying to sell oh you can remote control your lights really nothing new so almost an hour so that's all for my sharing but i'm still willing to answer more questions if anyone do or you can feel free to come and see whatever things i have over here we're hearing a lot of lights, sensors particularly i usually use case for home automation because i always see lights, sensors but if there's something different we'll use it for part of ordinary if you have when it's home automation you either go from convenience point of view or you go from a security point of view or you go from energy point of view so if you like sensor security point of view is we will put a lot of all these motion sensors all these door sensors because the system what the system can do is you can set that if this door is open at certain timing it sends you a notification so that serves as a security point of view you can say it goes through it's included in some alarm system the siren so you can actually use this as a security system that in terms of energy saving point of view just as i've mentioned there's also Z-Wave devices that allow you to clamp on to your main power main and then read the reading every minute so rather than every time end of the month you see or use $200 but you don't know when you use $200 so that is one thing in fact in my house i learnt that if i go home and then i just plus 24 versus i on my way home i set the on-acronycym the on-acronycym was turn on my acrony 27 and 26 and 25 and 24 it uses less energy than i go home just plus 24 so that's from the end so if you see in the market they were all having this interface and the full remote control that's the trend voice interface is just released one or two years ago so people are integrating into this thing in fact if some of you might know Alexa this amazon echo they have skills that you can add on people are developing coding and developing skills you can add on to this Alexa where they control out of the box control philisulite so i think the voice is a trend voice is a trend so if this z-wave is what you are saying or what you want then you will be messing around if it goes kaput then your light switch will still work so in my house if i switch out this thing my light switch i still turn it on i still have those normal double gang switch and it still works as if it is a normal house so some of my customer i will ask my manager to go and install the modules but before we bring this to their site it works like a normal house so there is no difference and then for the door i think if what happens it can only open because you still have the key i really have to keep the key even i don't trust technology so that device is actually operating by itself i think so even i embrace all these things i still keep the key in my car mine is the car of yield digital lock so there was once i changed car a few years ago so i took the key for 1 or 2 days and the battery died i ignore that warning so i end up not able to enter my own house so i have to damage my own lock so the key you still have the key somewhere which is the inside or outside? this one is the outside so you are actually attaching some of the locks at the back for this particular lock echo there is some holding knowledge you must be comfortable in running common lives you don't really need coding because stream anything stream anything don't have to don't have to i think some of the open source so mature that you just need to download and just run special i see you are very need to go in so will there be any echo coming and stop this kind of i don't think it can because i don't think it can because what happens is this device is if you pretending to send out something like apple homecrate same as when i control echo i don't know i don't know whether i can show this this thing is let me try to show you something that just an interface to talk to echo but at the end echo is not waking up but i can show it in the face this software is running or this raspberry pipeline and this software pretend to be a philip bridge which is already compatible with echo so what happens is this raspberry pipeline will read my home center and find out i have all these switches so in effect from here i can actually turn on and off you see this thing clicking everywhere so this raspberry pipeline actually talking to my home center so effectively i just need to go to things like my echo and then do a discovery as if it's discovery all those two maybe i can show the echo at my home place so this is a login for amazon echo if i go to smart home you can see this is the echo in my house it already detected that on my z-way hub there is this curtain there is a glass door master light dimmer there is this funny some of them offline so once echo discovery you can just say turn on curtain unfortunately right now it doesn't understand open and close you have to say for curtain it's a bit awkward but for apple home kit now i show you that screen shot on z-way you can say turn open curtain so i believe this is the way to go as interface or smart home using points that's all i have feel free to come and take a look and play with myself what does the z-way hub do? the z-way hub talks to every single device like the z-way hub sorry? it's the same thing once you plug into a pc you turn your pc into your hub but you need a pc to be always on correct but if you buy a z-way hub and plug into your desktop it's going to use more power so that's why some people buy z-way hub also can some people actually use a pie and a dongle to build their own hub on paper it's 30 meters but my experience 20 meters and each 30 meters is a hub because jalan i mention is a mesh network so if it doesn't reach that switch it will talk to this switch that's why the coverage gets wider if you have more device at home i can i can the hub itself the hub carrying from the cheapest hub that i've seen is maybe 200 plus this is a 400 plus dollar hub so every relay is worth 90 dollars so you add it up even your whole house it's probably starting to go down for controlling all your life and this thing controls your account one of them cost around 150 so it turns your account into you don't die king if you only have 1 box in your circuit your 1 switch turns all 1 box you use it to worry about people that's $40 but you have like turn on 1 switch that's $10 then you use it really because it's not going to spend $400 just on the role of life yes for new 1 house older house those plastic box that one cannot fit in so you have to buy deeper plastic box yes it's available but no one buys it wifi just normal http they i don't want to intrude the land i'm using my file ok unfortunatly i wish i'm selling echo but i'm not ok we buy echo from amazon and they will package with our pie with our software so we do that so we actually buy from amazon and any other questions sorry what really a lot of likes i use i use mostly relays i use mostly relays because at the point when i dip my house this switch is not out yet so at the point it's mostly relays so if it's for dimable light because the honor relay and dimable reader all look the same they all look the same so if it's an honor light if it's dimable light then we use dimable so it comes in different model so if you have LED strip that have color this also have that model that supports color LED strip this this switch is just on no not yet so if i set up on decimal it's a bit more costly but it achieve the same effect so you still can dim using a phone but you can on off using it or you can just say Alexa dim to 40% if you really dim to 40% so my answer to you is if 1 or 2 puffs in your circuit then you use the bow but if you have 10 here then really use the relay really don't have to only dimable dimable light i usually advise customer to test because sometimes you know this someone makes in china don't know from where they tend to flicker when you dim, it doesn't look so nice but 3 puffs cost you $200 but apparently most of my customers for ECs and HDB and condo there's not much to play not say not much to play for those that are living in landed private properties if they want to ask around people will tell them so unless they are tacky now they will come to ask but most of the time they don't know the existence of the way or all this mid range all of the business that's really dirty one from china you can buy sensor, buy switch everything comes in it's a thin system you can't play with API dolog this particular one cost around $300 yield dolog cost around $600 plus $700 Samsung dolog cost around $900 of course you again can buy some extra dolog but it's likely not going to be Z-Wave no this dolog they are coming out with digital pad it talks to the dolog don't release it so now we have the behind yes because i actually set the bluetooth so if i'm near from outside coming back so this this have multiple protocol bluetooth and Z-Wave i mean we can take it offline for any other questions thank you don't worry so i'll be next