 All right. Good morning. Very good morning and welcome once again. Can I request one of you to please lead us in prayer, please? Gracious Heavenly Father, we come to you under the name of Jesus. We thank you for this beautiful day and for the class we are about to have God. God, I please each and every one of my classmates who has gathered here into your hands throughout the class give us the good wife and connections that we need and God lets your Holy Spirit leaders help us to open our mind and heart and listen to each word and accept it and do it in our lives so that we can glorify your name Jesus. We can glorify your kingdom above everything. I place past devotion into your hands. Be with him and guide him throughout the session. We love you and we thank you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen. Thank you, Japhina. In the previous class we discussed about systems and processes. That's the chapter we looked at and we looked at different systems that we draw a parallel from the different systems in the human body and see how we can apply and imply that in our churches. That's what we covered in the previous class and now we move on to chapter 24, chapter 24 and page 151. So we'll just be covering a couple, we're almost coming towards the end of this course. We might complete a couple of chapters today and because the remaining chapters are covered in the other courses. Okay, but we are chapter 24 right now, nurturing and equipping believers. I hope you all are there, page 151 in your notes. In everything that the local church stands for, right? From the beginning what we've learned about how it's God's idea. You know the origins of it and the different facets of the church. Everything and the huge part of it is about equipping believers. Isn't it? It's about us going into all the world, you know making disciples, baptizing them, bringing them into the kingdom of God and all of that needs the saints to be equipped and as it says in Ephesians 411, it's a 13, once again we've read this verse multiple times in this course. It says, and he himself gave some to be apostles and some prophets, some evangelists and some pastors and teachers. For the equipping of the saints, for the work of ministry, for the equipping of the saints, on all of the ministries that's there, every calling, all of that he has given for the equipping of the saints, for the work of ministry, right? It's not just saints to be equipped and do nothing about it, but they are all equipped to do the work of ministry, just like how all of you are, you're not just here to equip yourself with all these topics and subjects and then just go back home and sit and do nothing about it. I hope so. Most of you are here to be equipped for the work of ministry, isn't it? So for the edifying of the body of Christ, as it says verse 13, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. And so the theme of this entire chapter is equip your believers in every area possible. We need to equip them to be a minister of God. So you are moving them from new believers to a disciple and to a minister, right? So the first thing talks about equip every believer to be a minister. So we need to see every believer as a future minister of God. By minister we do not mean that they'll have to quit their jobs and to become full-time preachers. No, that's not what it is, isn't it? As soon as we say ministry, we only think about full-time ministry. I don't really know where the words came from at full-time ministry because at least I was taught that you are at ministry all the time. It doesn't matter where you are. But the idea is that we equip them to be ministers even in the marketplace. So we'll talk a little bit more about that as we go on. So we must continually emphasize that every believer is a minister. And we must encourage everyone to serve. We must lay aside our own personal insecurities and obey God's word. You see that line there is very crucial. We must lay aside our own personal insecurities and obey God's word. I don't know about you, but normal people will have these insecurities where if you're a leader and you see a potential leader, there's potential in another individual. And if you have this insecurity thinking, okay, what if I give this responsibility to this person? What if I give this opportunity to this person and if they do better than me? And because of that, I'm not going to give that opportunity or responsibility to that person because of your insecurity, thinking that the other person might do better than you. That's one of the examples. I hope you're with me. The God's word says, hey, you keep all that aside. We lay aside our personal insecurities and you obey. You're being obedient and you equip, you continue to equip us and develop leaders. That's another thing as well. Right. So simply because you acknowledge as a leader, you can see the big picture as a leader. We have this gift is to see the bigger picture of another person's life. And so you notice and you recognize that they are gifted in a particular role. And so as a pastor, as a leader, it is your responsibility to guide them and to help them discover the role of whichever area that they are gifted in. Some of them might know their area of ministry, the area that they want to serve that they are gifted in. And then there are those who don't know what they are gifted in and they might be like, okay, I don't know what to do. I don't know where I'm gifted at and whatnot. And as a pastor, as a leader, ministry leader, the best word of encouragement or the way you can encourage them is to encourage them to start serving. There are a lot of teams that can be available that they can serve in. And as they are exploring different teams to serve in, they might pick an interest towards one particular team is like, okay, hey, you know, I feel like I'm kind and I can speak with people and I love interacting with people. And so maybe I need to join the member care team or the first time visitors team and just welcome the welcome lounge or welcome team, et cetera. So this is a journey. And this is another way of how you equip your congregation is you encourage them that, hey, they're all ministers and they can be ministers wherever God has placed them. And in God's house, you help them identify the gift that God has given them by allowing them to serve in your congregation. You kind of encourage them. I don't use the word push. It sounds really pushy. But but you kind of push them to serve church, you know, roll the cables or arrange the chairs or whatnot, right? So because the reason being, some people are a little fearful as well. They are hesitant. They are they are, what do you say? Intro words, right? You heard of such people, right? Extra words and intro words, intro words are those people where they will start running outside the church as soon as the pastor starts saying the benediction. Especially the way the doors are used to be placed in the building that we used to meet where there are four, two doors on each side left and the right. And so, you know, as a part of the worship team, you're on stage, you can see all these things. So pastor starts giving the benediction or he hasn't even started the benediction. He will start seeing people walking out, you know, most of the times because they don't want to let's their nature in towards, you know, some of them have social anxiety and they just want to escape from that place. But and you got to be patient with people like that, you know, because this is a journey. So you help believers discover their gifts, a place and a function by walking with them. In addition to that, right? So they're all gifted. You know, you encourage them to be ministers. Some of them will be called for full-time ministry. Some of them maybe not. You can, it doesn't matter, isn't it? Because in the marketplace, there's this thing, right? There are seven spheres of the society, you know, that make that makes a society, right? That is one is a religion, education, what's that? Religion, education, government, family, business, media and arts and entertainment. Right? So these are the seven fears that make a society, right? And you need individuals to be in all of these spheres, to have, you know, to establish God's kingdom in all of these areas, isn't it? I'm sure you would have heard about all these things. So in addition to that, in addition to helping them identify their gifts, they already know that's great where they want to serve, another way to equip them as you help them identify their life assignment. And what do I mean by that? Every single person has a destiny, a God-given purpose, right? Their gift alone is not their purpose. There's a huge difference, isn't it? Their gifts alone is not their purpose, right? So God has a plan and a purpose for each and every individual, right? He designed us for this very specific purpose, right? I see you raised your hand. Go ahead. Isaac, do you have a question? No, pastor is my mistake. Okay, all right. So as we're saying, so every individual has a specific God-given purpose, right? And our goal as pastors and leaders is to equip God's people so that they discover and fulfill God's purpose for their lives, right? And how you go about hearing them, equipping them is, it all comes down to you. I mean, that's the responsibility that we have as leaders and as pastors, right? The responsibility on our shoulders are huge, right? And so with all of that, when we understand that every single individual is unique and have a God-given destiny and God has an assignment for that person, when we understand that, then we can take them through understanding how to discover God's life assignment for them, right? And how they need to prepare and step into that. And so you can use so many resources as in how to hear God's voice, how to know his will for your life, et cetera, et cetera. And also, I mean, if at all, if you have any individual, you know, who comes to you and asks, you know, because they look up to you as a pastor or as a leader and say, hey, how do I know what is God's will for my life? Or what is God's plan or God's assignment for my life? I mean, if you have an answer, I mean, God's given you a clear vision, great. But most of the times, in my case, at least I have zero idea, right? You know, it's sure you can tell them to seek God and pray and spend time and fast and pray and hear his voice and whatnot. And all of that is true. And absolutely great. And then one of the things that I have learned in from, at least from my life, is that you don't stop serving most of the times, most of the times, God's plans or life's assignment, God's life assignment for you will be revealed during the time of your, you know, of you serving a ministry or another person or wherever you are. I mean, not just, you know, ministry, like I mentioned, wherever you are faithful. So for example, David did not, David continued to serve his father, Jesse, you know, even the day when he became, went from a shepherd boy to a giant killer. That morning, David was tending his father's sheep. And then Jesse calls him and says, Okay, hey, David, your brothers are in battle. I want you to take this bread and cheese and go give it to them. What was David doing? He was just serving his father. Right. And on that day, I'm sure David had no clue that he was going to be promoted from a shepherd boy to a giant killer. But all he did was he was serving. Right. And there are so many examples after examples like that in the Bible. Moses was, you know, serving his father-in-law. He was tending his father-in-law's flock, you know, Jethro. And then that's when he sees his burning bush. He has that encounter. Right. So, and examples after example, guys, I mean, you know, Elijah, Elisha, Elisha was working in the fields. So, I mean, it can go on and on. So, you encourage them to be faithful and to continue to serve where they are. And you never know when God's going to meet them. Right. So, you help them discover their life assignment. You provide ministry opportunities and start your ministries. So, if you like, for example, at that point that says, provide ministry opportunities and start new ministries. Right. Let's take an example. Say, Isaac is very good with, you know, video editing and graphics and all IT related stuff. Okay. And your church, I mean, so if your church has, you know, that ministry that needs an individual to function in that team, you welcome Isaac and you add them to that IT team who can help in, you know, video editing or streaming, live streaming and et cetera and whatnot. And if your church does not have a team like that, so now if you have an individual with that potential who has a knowledge of IT information technology and who who's tech savvy and whatnot. And you can ask, okay, can I, can Isaac, you know, invest and impact in a ministry like this? So, and then you ask, you have a conversation with that individual and then you start a separate branch of ministry just so Isaac can invest and have an impact in that area of ministry. Right. So, that is another way you are equipping the people of your congregation. Okay. Guys, I mean, the whole chapter is that you are thinking of ways how you can equip the people in your church. That's the whole point. Right. And it's very important. So, you are not just letting the new believers be new, being new believers. Right. When they are new believers and they've just accepted the Lord, you're just moving them to become disciples. You're teaching them to become disciples. And from disciples, you're equipping them to become ministers. Right. So, progress and growth is a huge topic of the subject, isn't it? How many times we've spoken about growth and progress. And so, your congregation also needs to grow not just in numbers. It's one of the signs, but spiritual growth as well. And this is how that happens. Right. You create opportunities. You equip them. You trust them and you believe in them. Right. You equip them to move in the supernatural. I mean, if you're a church that wants to move and believes in the supernatural, healing and deliverance, walking in the prophetic, etc., etc., or even say, evangelism through, let's say, street evangelism. You are being a witness, but you're walking in the supernatural and you are praying for the sick and they are being healed. And then they ask, hey, how did that happen? And then you say, you know, I pray to Jesus, he is my God. And you are being a witness while you are also moving in the supernatural. Right. And so, that's not just going to happen. The people of the congregation are not just going to wake up and just start moving like that. Okay. It's like, okay, today we're going to go do, you know, you are leading them. You are setting an example. You are encouraging your congregation. You are equipping them. So, maybe you take a weekend master class or a workshop on how to move in the prophetic or supernatural. Okay. Congregation, a church, we are going to do this. You know, we're going to learn about how to move in the prophetic. We are learning how to move in the prophetic so we can be a blessing to our community, society, or we can be a witness, you know, to people around us, wherever it could be in the streets or it could be in your offices, in your colleges, in your schools, wherever. You are equipping your church to move in the supernatural so that they can be a witness wherever God places them. Right. Are you guys with me? Right. And that is in the same line with regards to providing leadership as well. So, you are guiding them, you are guarding. So, what, okay. So, what, here's a classic question. Right. In your words, define leadership. Okay. Subashish says influence. Okay. Leadership, influence. So, to lead and set a good example. Okay. Come on, come on. Define leadership. Right. Lyndon, Paul, Abu, Leah, Rosalind. Well, okay. Planning and organizing. Okay. Okay. Enoch, what do you think? Right. So, influence. Subashish, so when you say influence, what do you mean? Like, how are you viewing that word? Influences. Okay. So, okay. Do you believe or do you agree that there is, you can be influenced positively or negatively as well. Right. So, there can be a good influence and a bad influence, isn't it? That doesn't necessarily need an explanation, but you get the point, isn't it? So, leadership is, yeah, I mean, it's a place of influence. It's, you're giving people to serve, giving opportunity for people to serve and what not. You are guiding them. You are guarding and governing them as well. You are giving them your counsel. You're leading by example, as Zalitoli says. But yeah, leadership is a place of influence. I mean, that's why there are like thousands of books on leadership, guys. And so many number of conferences on leadership, isn't it? So, yeah, I mean, John Maxwell has written, I don't know how many books on leadership. I just posted mine. I just posted mine. Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you. You know, leadership is the ability of an individual or a group of individuals to influence and guide followers. Yeah. This, the most popular word in social media is, I'm a social media influencer, isn't it? That's like the happening term nowadays, isn't it? I'm a YouTube influencer or an Instagram influencer on Instagram. This simply means being a leader, isn't it? And so you should, you need to ask yourself, as a pastor or as a leader, what are you being an influence? That's one. And the second question is more important. Are you being a good influence or a bad influence? That's another thing, isn't it? So as you got to provide leadership, you know, and let go when necessary. And if you look at the paragraph in your notes at the bottom of page 153, there are three recurring words that says, we need to know. We need to know. We need to know. Time and time again. We need to know when to guide and when to step back. Leadership is not like, you know, selfishness is not bossing around or not just constantly micromanaging and, you know, it's like, you need to know when to guide. You need to know when to step back and give them the space to, you know, are you are you giving them that space or room for error or that space of freedom for them to make mistakes so that they can learn from their mistakes? Right. You need to know when to guide them and when to give them that space to make mistakes. Right. And all of that we need to know when to govern and provide clear directives, counsel in other words. Right. So all of the, these are all the ways where you equip your congregation. You are equipping the saints. Okay. You are creating opportunities. You are providing opportunities. You are guiding them. You are, you are helping them figure out life as well in all of this. Right. And it's a beautiful way to figure out life. When you can figure out life in church, it's the best way. There's no better place than that. Right. I hope you guys are with me. So let's just continue on on the same topic to the chapter 25 and page 154 into nurturing and developing leaders. Nurturing and developing leaders. So we all need to raise leaders. Again, leaders and leadership is the talk of the town. It's been the talk of the century. Everybody wants to be a leader. Nobody wants to be a follower. Everybody wants to be leaders. Who will they lead? Everybody wants to be kings. Who will be soldiers. Isn't it? Everybody wants to be worship leaders. Then who will be backup vocalists? Who will be other musicians? Right. And in all of this wonder of talking about leaders and leadership and all these conferences and all these books, it's very easy for us that we forget and neglect the importance of serving. Right. And a good leader is born out of being a good follower. Right. Joshua was an amazing leader because he learned to serve Moses in the season. Right. And so a good leader is being built, is being shaped in integrity and character in that season of following another great leader. Right. And so some of the traits that you need to look for as a leader, as a ministry leaders or as a pastor before assigning someone into a leadership role, some of the traits that's mentioned here, let's go through them. It's personal life example. Okay. Personal life example. You need to ask yourself, okay, how is this person's life testimony? You know, is he, is he one thing on the stage and the other thing off the stage? Are people able to relate because he seems very different on stage or he or she is like, wow, amazing, so nice and lovely and wonderful, but the complete opposite off stage, rude and unkind and blah, blah, blah. So that's right. So personal life example and spiritual and emotional maturity. That word maturity in spiritual life is very key guys, especially Christians, especially people, those whom you are considering to be in ministry and especially whom you are considering to be in as ministry leaders, because and I've seen, I think I've been in ministry for a decent amount of time for me to tell you all this, that it is very easy for people to hide behind the mask of their gift. Right. And who can be very manipulative. Right. They can hide behind the mask of any gift like prophetic or whatnot. Okay. You know, in front of everybody else, yeah, sure, they can move in the gift of the prophecy or different knowledge or whatever they have the gift, but anointing is one thing and character is another thing. Right. This is old saying, right. Your anointing will take you up, but it is your character that which will keep you up there. Okay. I'm sure you heard this, I'll say it again, but your anointing will take you up, but it is your character that will keep you up there. You know, God anointed Saul, he elevated him, he promoted him. What was his downfall was his character, isn't it? Disobedient and, you know, and so look for their spiritual and emotional maturity. You know, and again, you need to know as a leader, you can't know everything. Right. It's impossible when people hide behind the mask. It's impossible for you to know everything. Right. You don't know their thoughts. You're not God. We are not all knowing, all powerful, all sufficient, you know, ever present God is, and that's why we need, you pray, right. One of the classic example was from Acts chapter six, when we saw that when the apostles wanted to appoint people to serve, they prayed and they looked for those who are filled with the spirit. For what? To serve food, isn't it? So spiritual and emotional maturity, alignment with the vision of the church, super crucial, the vision of the ministry, whichever, right. I mean, they can be exceptional leaders, very good leaders, you know, very mature and whatnot, but they might not be aligned to your vision. It is possible that they can, you know, direct or lead, be leading the group of people in a different direction where the ministry is not aligned. That is dangerous. And so see if the person that you're appointing as a leader is aligned to your vision, you know, to the direction that the ministry wants to go. Okay, is that person responsible, reliable, all the usual traits that you would like to see in a leader? Is that person responsible? Is that person reliable? That means does he or she, are they committed? Do they keep up to their word? You know, are they on time as an example? That's just the basic example, are they on time? Do they finish the responsibility or do the job that you give them excellently, right? So responsible, reliable, excellence, continuous growth, no personal agenda. Okay, this is kind of in line with the second point or the third point, which is spiritual and emotional maturity, or even the third point, which is alignment. So some of them can use the platform or the opportunities to, that you are giving them and they will use that to accomplish their own hidden agenda. So whatever that may be, hey, do they have any personal agendas, you need to discern that it's very, very dangerous guys. So you see, even as we go through all these points, it's so crucial, so tricky to have the right people at the right time. Yeah, a gift and calling, calling good followers. Leaders are good followers. We go up to this point eventually, right? They can take instructions, do the dirty job and go down to the lowest level when serving under other leaders because they know the value of support. There is this book called Armour Bearers, okay? I think I'm not, yeah. Eddie Nance is the author. It's called Armour Bearers. It has three parts, small book. If you're a leader, if you're a ministry leader, or if you're serving under another person, this is a must read book, okay? You need to have it in your library, okay? There are three parts to it. It's all about being an Armour Bearer to the king. It's taken from the inspiration of that, you know, the Armour Bearer to the king from first time. You need to read that. It talks about the importance of being a good follower, serving leaders, okay? Good nurturers, people who have a heart to nurture other leaders because eventually a leader should raise up other leaders, isn't it? So these are all the character traits that you'll be looking in a potential leader before you appoint them as ministry leaders, right? Guys, are you with me so far? Are you following? Yes, fast talk. Awesome, okay. So the next stage is nurturing their growth. We've spoken about this in the earlier chapters again, what is nurturing and what is growth, but this is in context to a leadership, right? So there are various stages in how you nurture a leader. One is the preparation stage where you are investing in them, right? There is a process in mentoring that I like to follow, right? So when you are mentoring a person, right, there is a process. You don't want to be mentoring the person for life. So one first thing is, so let's say for example, I'm mentoring, say, Isaac, sorry, Isaac, I'm using you as an example too much today. So you're my mentor. So you're my mentor, I'm your mentor. There's some things, so I do it, let's say for example, so we are in healing ministry and whatnot, right? So you are with me, so I do it, I do the ministry, you watch me do it, okay? And then you do it with me. And then I do it with you. And then you teach another person. And so that cycle kind of goes on, right? So it starts off with me setting as an example. So, you know, I'm doing it. The second thing is you're not doing it immediately. You watch me do it. And the third step is you do it with me, right? And the fourth thing is now you do it, sorry, the fourth thing is we do it together. And the fifth step is you do it all by yourself. And now you kind of do this, this is the mentoring process, right? So if I'm mentoring another individual or whichever area they want to be strengthened in, that's the cycle that I like to follow. It's kind of simple, easy for me to follow, okay? One more time, I'll just go through that, okay? So I do it. You watch me do it. And what was it? And you do it together. And then, and then yeah, you do it. I think so. I lost track. I think there was a fifth one there somewhere. So, okay. But that's the process. That's the preparation stage, right? In the process, you are emphasizing character. You're emphasizing them to be responsible to be for them to be reliable, what it takes to be a good leader, right? And then there's the initial stage, right? So when you think that that individual is ready, at the right time, you allow the individual to step into their leadership role, okay? To step into their leadership role, and you provide needed guidance, training, equipping. And so, it is in this stage, like the initial stage, that there may be times where you need to provide correction and realignment, because it is also in this stage where they can either make it or break it. Like they are over and through about everything. They want to bring a hundred changes on day one. They wanted a bunch of things yesterday, you know? So all of this excitement is there, like adrenaline rush. And this is where you kind of teach them, it's like, hey, hey, just cool down, hold your horses, just calm down. Right? So this is where you teach them to approach ministry as not a hundred meter dash, but a marathon, right? It's very different, okay? So you guide them, you correct them, you realign them. And this is the stage where they are settling in, okay? So now they got the hang of it. And, you know, they're getting familiar with the process, with the structure, with the system, with the method. And they are now, okay, a little confident about leading, about their role. And so this is the stage where you, as their leader, you kind of take a step back and then just watch what happens, right? You give them that space to make errors. You give them the freedom. I don't believe in freedom with a leash. Okay? So it's what, you know, you let them do their mistake, whatever it is, you know, you learn, that's what we learn, isn't it? So people, in my opinion, people function amazingly well when they give them freedom and you trust them. But, you know, you, they've earned your trust. It's not like, okay, you're just blindly trusting them. You go through the stages, right? There's a preparation, preparation stage, initial stage, and you will learn a lot about an individual in those two stages. Because it is in the second stage where you are providing correction. And if that person takes correction well with the right attitude, with the right heart, okay, so you know that you can trust this person with a little bit with freedom. And you can give them that space to make errors and mistakes and whatnot, right? So that's the setting, settling in stages, the growth stage where now, okay, student, that this leader needs more leaders, he's equipping more leaders and growing his team. So this, so that's the basic cycle versus growth stage, maturity stage and the transition stage. So this is how you nurture and grow the leadership team, right? And you are creating opportunities for development. So what does that mean? One of the best ways to develop leaders is to create opportunities for them to be a leader, right? You create opportunities for them to be a leader. And Youth Ministry was a beautiful learning time for me as a youth pastor is, there are about 150 or young people at APC, there used to be about 200, 150 people, it's quite a number. And then we have five locations in Bangalore, which is spread out all over the city of Bangalore. It is impossible, right? For me to connect with every young people from every different churches, you know, it was, and so for that, we had a core team, a team of 15 people, you know, four individuals from each location, the central team was a little bit more bigger because there are a lot more people. And so they were my face, they are my voice when I'm not there when they reach out to the youths of their location. So I coordinate with them. And so when time comes to plan a youth camp, for example, you need a lot of, again, same teams, like you need a transportation team to plan and coordinate transportation, okay, how are they coming? Where are they coming? You need a team to coordinate food. Food is important for you, the young people in the camp, who's going to be serving, who's going to coordinate with the venue people, if the food is going to be ready on time, the games team, the worship team, the ushering team, these, and these are, it's a perfect opportunity to give responsibility to young people and see how they do it. And so what's happening there is you are creating opportunities for development. And that is how you identify, okay, hey, that individual was faithful. He or she was there every morning arranging chairs, like ushering team, it was always welcoming people, individuals making sure they were all moving and sitting in the front and not just being sitting at the back, you know, how young people love to sit at the back and don't necessarily like to come forward. And so you, as a leader, you are noticing all these small, small things, right, that they are faithful, they are responsible, they are reliable. And then you say, okay, I want that person in my core team. Okay, so there's like a, you know, so what has happened is you've created opportunities for development. And then, you know, guys, I'll tell you this, when you trust people and you allow them to be free and to make mistakes, and they will see that, they will see, okay, hey, this leader trusts me. He's given me complete freedom. And I want to do it well, because I've been trusted with this, and they will do amazing. And so this is how you nurture and you grow, you know, leaders in your congregation, in your church. And, and this perfect example is Paul and Timothy, right. And Paul was an exceptional leader for so many young, you know, emerging leaders, emerging voices, if I may say. But you can see, you know, their, their sacrilege in 1 Corinthians 1610 at the bottom, Paul took Timothy along and over time nurtured him into a fellow worker and one who could do work for the ministry the way Paul did. So what are some of the points there? There was a special bond between Paul. Paul had a heart for Timothy. He referred to Timothy as his own son in the faith, closeness and transparency. Paul let Timothy travel with him and see his life closely. It's some, it's kind of very similar to what we discussed about the mentoring cycle, isn't it? So taught specific things, encouraged and corrected, clarified costs, esteemed him highly, delegated responsibility, positive recommendation. I mean, it's, it's just there guys for us, you know, so Paul was doing it. Timothy was watching him do it. And then so both of them did it together. And then when the time came, Paul said, Okay, Timothy, I think you can pastor your own church now. I trust you enough to go and pastor your church. Right. And so that is an absolute beautiful cycle of how we can nurture and, you know, build leaders. All right. So we pause here. We'll take a break and we'll come back and we'll conclude with what was remaining this. All right. I'll see you all in time.