 Thank you for staying with us. It's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Right now we're looking at our first hot topic and it says, Tinnable Suspense Better Edu Others Probe by EFCC. So as we all know, Better Edu is a Minister of Humanitarian Affairs and there's been a 585 million narrative that has been transferred to an individual account where everybody is looking at. So that's where the spotlight is on and the President has suspended Better Edu for now because of this incident. But joining us to have a conversation and talk more about this is Dr. O'Shinoa. Good morning, doctor. Thank you for joining us. Hello, good morning. We can't hear you. Hello? I think you're might be muted. Okay, fantastic. We can hear you now. So we're joined with Dr. Ibrahim O'Shinoa as the Enterprise and Investments Risk Expect. Good morning, sir. Thank you for joining us. Good morning, Dr. O'Shinoa. Good morning, my dear colleagues and colleagues right there. Yes. Okay, so we're looking at the Ministry of Humanitarian Affairs. About 585 million was being transferred to an individual account by the Minister, Better Edu. And we've seen in the past, the other minister who just left, Sadia, also kind of siphoned some money as well. What is your take on this ministry first? Let's just start with that. The fact that it is a way for people to just take out money in terms of palliatives and other things. And sometimes we can't really even ascertain what this money is being used for. Anyway, good morning once again. It's very sad for the government of Sinaitobol and Metsinumbu that in less than one year, our field success has been published. That homeless about 100 billion has been stolen from the new government. Don't know if they're right or wrong, but we could see the traces and we could see a few people who are not deserved to be in her face, who are appointed. Like I said, I saw these very magnanimous when it comes to doing things for people. But one thing I know you will not do is to compromise the trust of over 220 million engineers. The ministry is specifically created to service the poorest of the poor in our country to ensure that the downtrodden are well managed and supported. But it's so unfortunate that the last two ministers that the pioneer, the first one, Sadia, was moved from refugee commission and moved to that ministry as a pioneer minister. We can't say she hasn't found guilty yet, but the monies that are missing in the ministry is in the two over 60 billion. Yeah. In the ministry, in less than four years that she becomes the minister of that ages, Philly Registrar, Paul Zee, Names, Siphoning money on the bill, supplying five bags of rice and the autonomy of 5,000 in corn nuts, supplying grains, 100 bags of rice for a quiet boat and the autonomy to two million bags. So sad. And now let's come to Betta. I know Betta very well, very young girl, 35 or 34. She started one of the committees with Moon. In fact, when she landed in Abuja, I've seen this publicly, I'm sure she will hear me. I use my official car in Abuja to take Betta around in Abuja because she couldn't even when she was to Moon to pay IT for an interview. I will ask my driver to drop Betta in Abuja. She's like a young sister to me and I believe that our age group, and shouting for inclusiveness in government are seeing what is on the table. And I remember the part, actually when I'm a professional, the youth, the youth, the youth, the youth, the youth, the youth, inclusiveness, the youth, the youth, the youth, the youth to retire, the youth to do this, the youth to do that. They themselves can see there hasn't been traffic on line. The youth has not been talking. The youth is speaking out. The likes of Fahad and Macalcomia, the rest of them, who are in their younger taxes. Could not speak up. This is the youth that we are talking about. As you can see, most of the young boys, including the minister for interior, the minister for youth transport, and I know what that is. The youths are fierce. I know what they can offer. This is what they can offer to our party. Also, this is what they can offer. But however, we have to give credit to a passenger, a leader, who has promised me here that it's going to listen to them at all times. But so spending now immediately, this one really, this one minister, went for almost a week, and what is it called? Spending now. So if you offer public governance, how to handle files, how to handle payments, how to receive payments, how to have work contracts, how to have point aids, spending almost $600 million out to a credit account. To a personal account. Among other things that I'm sure it's going to come out from the investigation is in less than one year in office. I'm so sad. But we have to give it to a shareholder. Yes, of course, yes. You know, who needs to be a lead leader? And I can tell you that each team will remember him. He looks for men that he will do with us. That's what Mr. D'Yalcoo allegedly stole almost about $50 billion in our culture. Nobody could advise them. You can see it. And I would say in 80 years, as we see over $40 million, one company, one company. And we're shouting there's no money in the system. This system is dominated. We don't have dollar. Dollar is going up. When one company is having over four billion every month, or less. You know, more. So we have to encourage him and the engineers to support his government because he's doing a wonderful job and he's not going to tolerate anybody to come in and actually make the government up. This is actually the new world to show. Well, you seem to have given up on the youths and women in what you're saying because the investigation is still on. We're hoping that a lot of things will be on edge. Of course. And we also are not really sure that whatever is happening in the humanitarian affairs ministry remains with the humanitarian affairs ministries. So we'd like to suggest from what do you think can be done using this as a case study that will also, in memory of the present administration, will lead every other enterprise or government of whatever has been happening in the humanitarian affairs ministry, because it doesn't end there. I'm sure muting is everywhere. And the template we use to fish out these people in the humanitarian affairs ministry may just be the same template that you're going to use in other ministries. So what do you suggest be done? And I was going to add, what is the role of the EFCC banks or even other security agencies, yes, to ensure that people are not siphoning these monies, the money that is meant for the vulnerable people or even everyone in general. So how can women to get all of this? You know what, it's too early to call. About four or five ministries is presented by investigation. And I'm sure very soon, very soon I'll break it for you guys. EFCC is making all the ground and they're doing a wonderful job including the presidency, you know, living the dead. You can imagine minister of interior. He was saying on channels yesterday that he left a company five years ago, he wasn't a director, but he's a shareholder in the same company. Having on this about 80% share, including his wife and his younger cousin on the company, taking a consultancy job for humanitarian for 419 million error. And he had been fully prepared. He was just about 14 years or 41 years. He had been fully prepared. The minister of interior and he was justifying no sense on TVS today that he has cleared to come to five years ago. He has to be a director, your wife. Your wife is a direct, president director and managing director of the company. You are a shareholder, but not a director. So I wonder how these guys, you know, from this time when you see fake results, using fake ads, some of them are not doing well, maybe five years out of school, some of them don't serve. You know, that's when you see all these shenanigans of these small boy gays. I was listening to him on channels yesterday and I was worried. Maybe she was taking some bladders from these guys. He said you're not a director in the company, but you're a shareholder, you're not a consultant for humanitarian for $450 million. What are you doing? What consultants are you doing? What consultants are you doing in humanitarian affairs? He said the company cannot work in the interior. So you know, our party needs to do what we want with these boys. Coffee to interest. You are using your position to refresh contract with your sister minister for your company. You are not the director yet, but you are a shareholder in the company. But the gentleman on channel said we should ask him some technical and complex questions. You have to do it from the company because the code of code said so. So what can we do? The question now is what can we do? So whatever template we've gotten. I'm going to work with, I'm going to work with what to do. You know what? A minute, if you look at the students who go and cooperate with us soon, they ask to do what they call corporate policy and corporate government policy needs to be affected by the coordinating minister. It limits all these ministers. In terms of the limits, they cannot prove as full. It limits them. It's not all of them. Some are mature, some are experienced, like Doris from Ministry of Interior is a very experienced banker. I knew Doris when she was around there in GM, from Zined Bank. So they need to strengthen and limit their program. Some of these young ministers should not allow to sign up, maybe about 20 million a year. Any other thing needs to come to the chief of staff, SZF or the presidency power for spending. They need to increase that. Because I'm telling you, the parents are going to react to all these, keep all these mess, continue. You know, it takes a lot of pain. This election, the last election was still contested. And actually I didn't know what could be done for them to even win. So they need to limit, they got to first take the most limit, the most limit they are calling a fulva. They should strip them from a fulva to mongers fall like that. Secondly, the risk management in terms of financial to their serious to increase, they need to audit there. That's what we are calling in governance, that most of these ministries need to have a special compliance officer, a risk officer that will advise them, that will tell them, that the minister know you cannot send almost half a billion into a personal account. He's not done anywhere. You can't do that. And thankfully, the experience, you know, account general of the federation, my dear sister, you know, they face to do that. But what about the other one? 100 million, 200, 150, 350 million, 200 million, because the ministry maintains certain account, extensive account. All right, this is where we have to wrap it up here. They need to just, you know, reduce and we audit what they are doing in the ministry. In fact, a lot of mess. I'm sure you journalists, you've not laid your hand on those information. A lot of mess. It's only been a year. All right, thank you so much. I mean, we've gotten some valuable contributions. That's one of the things you said was limit their funding approval, have a station compliance officer for auditing, which is great. And I think I'm sure they will start to look at all of these things. So we're not here again. But we want to say thank you for coming on our program and joining us. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you. All right, we'll be speaking to Dr. O'Shinoah. He's a risk and investment expert. I'm talking about the EFCC Pro, being better at doing the humanitarian affairs minister on the 585 million narrator was sent to a personal account. We'll go on a quick break. And when we return, we'll be looking at our second hot topic. Please stay with us.