 Hello, live people Patrick Bay, and he's been away for a couple of weeks Which gives him the hiccups now when we go live apparently It's a very strange affliction. It's only for a few seconds when we go live, but you know And those of you who know and are wondering know no baby yet So he figured this would'll be this is the finished version of inducement is put the father on a podcast I've done like five since I thought I had to stop in uh-huh. I Like I was like, um, can I be on my show again? I Mean Maybe I don't know. I feel like I'm I'm cheating on on the baby or something. That's not yet But really it's it's the baby. That's yeah, it's cheating on you. Yeah, I Was Yeah, I was two weeks late when I was born two weeks. Wow Yeah, which is really big baby, but I'm a very small person. It's like I wasn't actually a big baby I was always supposed to be small. I just baked too long. Yeah, I was the same way I was screwed everything up for my mother Well, this one is relatively big already. So Well, it's all very exciting Yes, we can't wait for your baby to be born within the next half hour The only mom and dad who just never escape never yeah Miracle what I want to know is how multi-lingual how multi-lingual is this baby going to be So that's gonna be Interesting because I'm gonna speak French to it. My wife is gonna speak Swedish The third language is probably gonna be English to an extent And then it's gonna have to learn Finnish because of school. That's the language they use in in most schools Because the country is bilingual, but so yeah, you start with three to four languages already And we wouldn't mind it learning a little bit of Russian and Japanese. So No, that might be a little bit too much for the first, you know, two years So maybe we'll space them out in the baby might pick up Japanese just from the fact that you guys like Japanese stuff and Already planning a trip to Japan in a year. So Hopefully we'll manage to in you, you know instill it with a sense of Wonder and love for the language. All right. Shall we do this show then? Let us wait a second. Let us show no screaming. All right. We can start the chat check. No, okay good Sara if you would do the opening, of course in three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, January 23rd 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from old Fogtown I'm Sarah Lane And from the Helsinki offices in Finland. I'm Patrick Bezier. Wait, wait, wait, wait before we introduce our guest Patrick Bezier What are you doing here? I thought you were on maternity paternity leave So, you know how I was born ready for every show we've done Yeah, no, we have a t-shirt that says it we even have a onesie that says it now. Oh, you do. Oh, all right I didn't I forgot but turns out my baby is going to is going to be born very very very ready because it's really like Getting ready for a long time. We're a week overdue. So I figured hey I might as well do a date DTNS while we wait Well, we're glad to have you and we're glad your baby is like a wizard and arrives exactly what it means to Joining us today is Mike Cole. Mike is a cyber threat intelligent and some intelligence analyst He has been either staff or contractor at the CIA the FBI di a ONI US Coast Guard Often in cyber roles has a background in counterterrorism has done three tours in Iraq or spins as he says and Author of fantastic books and star of CBS reality TV hunted Mike welcome Thanks for having me guys. We're gonna talk to Mike a little bit later about What the law enforcement side of this whole encryption debate and surveillance and security and cyber security and all of that So we really appreciate you being willing to chat with us about that. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here Thanks for having me our producer Roger Chang is here as well Roger. How are you feeling? I'm good good Excellent. Well, then let's start with a few tech things you should know Twitter's chief operating officer Anthony noto has resigned to be the CEO at financial technology company social finance a.k.a. Sofie he'll join Sofie and March Twitter says that no those duties will be assumed by other members of Twitter's leadership team So it doesn't sound like they're replacing him at least not right away Hmm Thanks to Instagram stories integrating Giffy you can now out add gifts to your stories on Android and iOS a Jif option will show up when you choose to add a sticker. Thank you for doing the alternating That was amazing. I've never heard anybody do that Acer's 11.6 inch spin 11 convertible Chromebook has been announced. It includes USB C couple USB C ports works with Wacom EMR styluses in fact one model will include a stylus from Wacom starts at $349 for the 32 gigabyte version and arrives in North America in March DJI announced its Mavic Air quadcopter will start at $799 shipping on January 28 Mid-range model between the Mavic Spark and Mavic Pro the air has a 4k camera. I can fly 21 minutes on a chart Makes me want a drone Google introduced an audiobook sections into the Google Play Store Tuesday You can access the audiobooks after purchase on the web in the Google Books app for Android and iOS Through Google Assistant on Android devices. Mmm. They're good good for Google home users. Yeah, yeah And now we got some more top stories to talk about Sarah. What do we have? Oh? Let's start with some good news for anybody's looking for a home pod because Apple announced its home pod wireless speaker Will arrive in stores February 9th and will be available for pre-order starting this Friday, January 26th in the US The UK and Australia the home pod retails for three hundred forty nine dollars in the US 319 pounds in the UK. It'll be four hundred ninety nine Australian dollars in Australia and was originally slated for launch in late 2017 so Not super late, but did miss the holiday season just in time for Valentine's Day If you know what to do Yeah, I mean everybody at CES was talking about the the absence of the home pod on the scene as Google and Amazon were going Head-to-head to try to get their voice platforms Everywhere, of course Apple doesn't usually put its platforms everywhere It wants you to buy its stuff and work in its ecosystem So I'm not sure that it really hurts them to have it delayed as long as this works Well for the people who like it. I'll have to be honest not all that interested in getting one though I'm not interested in getting one just because I already have I have two Sonos ones which have hooked into Amazon's gal and You know Siri I use on my phone almost daily I've gotten really used to it, but it's not something that I fit the two are pretty interchangeable At least for this kind of stuff I'm I'm the tasks I'm asking for or the information that I'm pulling from either one So unless you were really hooked into Siri as an ecosystem on a lot of devices. I don't know what Yeah, the big incentive would be Although Apple also likes to tell that it's you know, the best quality of everything and if it's truly the best sounding speaker And you were going to use it for music quite often and even replace maybe larger speakers Then they might have something there, but I Otherwise I it seemed it just seems a little late to the game to me. Yeah for us in Europe the You know Amazon Echo and the Google Home aren't very Accessible. I mean, they're not sold and I don't think even on Amazon yet or on the Google Play Store very limited amounts and the the high quality angle that Apple is pushing might Get some people interested, but you know, as you said, I think as you said Tom I think Apple is going to sell to Apple customers anyway So it's not even really the the same target Mike I'm curious if you use any of these voice platforms whether it's Amazon Google or Siri No, I don't and it's probably not going to surprise you that and some of this is paranoia When when all you got to hammer everything looks like a nail and when you spend your entire life looking at how people hack each other and pursuing computer crime You develop whether rational or not a kind of an interest in and keeping the gates closed So it makes me super uncomfortable anything. That's TCP IP enabled anything that has some kind of connection To even through VPN even through an encrypted connection to the internet, you know raises my radar and I and the reality of it Isn't a lot of cases manufacturers don't give you the kind of admin access that I would need to be comfortable to Lockdown and secure these devices. I don't even have a PS4 or a video game console in my for the same reason All right, but but this is not worse than any other connected devices. It doesn't know I don't know. I have I want to that. This is definitely me being me. This is not I don't have any reason to believe It's it's less secure All right, you everyone has computers and phones anyway, so yeah for sure DuckDuckGo is updating its mobile app and browser extension to offer ratings of sites based on their use of Encryption and ad tracking as well as summaries of terms of service It also includes the ability to block ad tracking that has not received the user's permission The app and extension are available for Firefox Safari Chrome iOS and Android This seems like it would be more appealing Yeah, I mean Look, this is the ultimate you can always tell somebody in the security field because if we had our way I would chain a cinder block to every microprocessor enabled device And sync it in the East River because then we would all be safe. No one, you know, no one would be able to hack it I think it's really interesting that DuckDuckGo is going from search, you know privacy in search to a wider Concept of privacy for its users. Yeah branching out and providing something that is very similar to what Privacy Padger Provides but from your if for some people anyway, your existing search company Christopher Horvath formerly of the Oculus story studio has introduced a new open-source unit for measuring time called Flix meant for use when working on video a flick is one seven hundred five million six hundred thousandth of a second just a bit longer than a nanosecond Flix divide evenly into the common frames per second measures So for instance, if a video is 24 frames per second Each frame of that video is zero point four one six six six six six repeating seconds long That's a hard number to work with but It's twenty nine million four hundred thousand flicks a nice round number And if you're familiar with the vagaries of NTSC frame rates the weird twenty three point nine Seven six frames per second. That's often called 24 frames per second is 29 that million four hundred twenty nine Four hundred flicks again nice round number effect rounder than the actual frames per second number Basically, this gets rid of fractions and repeating decimals, but okay Thank you I'm just eat away listen. We're all on a video show right now. I work with video I had a quite a bit of video and yes, it's true that especially and you know Even back in college when we learned why frame rates were the way that they were and even then it was a little convoluted I'm not sure what this is solving unless you're just saying you're doing it's a rounder number Yeah, if you're doing precision editing and you can see that nice round flick number in there That might be helpful rather than constantly seeing these repeating decimal places I Mean go Christopher Feedback at daily tech news show calm if you have a use for flick if you think it's silly like these two then don't bother writing We already can we already got that side of the It's definitely not silly I'm just I'm not sure how this changes anything that Like anybody would be doing on a regular basis unless you're just like you like kind of math nerdy stuff Which is fine. I think I think there might be some actual uses in it But only a niche things like video editing or or video game making when you're really Concerned with frames Actually, I hope somebody who's sitting there right now saying what she doesn't know anything Please do email us because I want to know I want to know why I would use this flicks A snap is launching the ability ability to share public stories with links that will display on Snapchat comm to visitors whether they're snapchat users are not historically snapchat comm just said hey download the app If you want to be part of this fun game at launch users can share official stories And our stories found in the discover tabs with plans to expand beyond that users of the redesigned app in Australia and Canada have the feature already and it'll roll out to Android and iOS users over the next few weeks It's kind of it just reminds me of what Instagram did some time ago Instagram used to be Apple only if you went to Instagram calm There was no feed to look at there were no likes that you could peruse. It was just this is an app get the app and now I actually You know if I'm uploading something I'm still probably using the app because that's where all my photos are but on iOS but I go to Instagram calm on desktop Quite often. So I guess it's snap kind of doing a little catch up again. It's really interesting Because to me this is kind of a change in well not a change it's been happening for a while, but there was a fear a few years ago that the The web was gonna disappear because or not disappear was gonna be in a precarious position because everything was moving to apps And the reality is all of these apps when they try to grow Beyond their internal kind of ecosystem have to turn back to the web Not just because it's easier, but also because the inherent openness of the web makes it more accessible So what we feared which was you know, the open web is going to be replaced by the closed apps It we're seeing that actually the openness of the web is a huge asset that the closeness of the apps Don't have obviously by design So this is kind of an you know, a hopeful move that all of these apps have to make for sure Yeah, I think it's when when these companies realize they they need to gain users which snap definitely needs to do right now They start to remember the value of the open web versus the advantages of a closed system like an app where you control the Experience more and you can mine the data more on people And you just don't have as much control out on the web Yeah, so it seems both have to coexist rather than one replacing the other which seems fine. Yeah Google has released its files go app, which is a storage manager that can share files and help users Delete unneeded or unwanted data from their phone using machine learning and files go can delete Good morning messages from WhatsApp in India in particular the habit of sending Good morning messages on WhatsApp with an image attached has led to phones storage being filed up Apparently, this is a big problem, which is somewhat of no one has ever said good morning to me on WhatsApp But I wish that they would more often apparently you don't be careful what you wish for because I didn't realize This was such a huge deal in India where people are like, I don't have any storage on my phone anymore because people are extending me memes every morning But Mike I saw you giving the thumbs down to this What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong with giving a centralized algorithm driven AI? Run by a major corporation the ability to reach into your electronic device and delete files Well, I mean, I can't imagine where this could blow up in their face I don't know if you guys recall the issue that Amazon had in some cases where it was revoking Books from people's Kindles based on this interpretation of license agreements and the kerfuffle that came out of that So, I mean, I definitely don't want to speak out of school without understanding more of the technology that's involved But when I think of it directly conceptually It's pretty, you know, they definitely makes me cock an eyebrow the comparative technology I'm thinking of is mobile device management things like air watch and mobile iron Which have the ability to manage? mobile devices for corporate entities and and and will revoke apps and data, but in that case the user is using a You know a device on behalf of a company and it's sort of giving up the rights this on a consumer basis Man that makes me super nervous. I doubt this is going to allay your nervousness, but files go has to be installed by you it's not something that Google puts on there and You can turn this good morning message auto deletion on or off if you find that it's not working well or it's deleting things You shouldn't you can turn it off and you can always recover The data within a certain period of time and undelete. So I at least that's my understanding about it So it's it's it's a lot less sophisticated than the mobile device management stuff that you're talking about Go ahead Mike It makes me feel a little bit better But again, it's a lot of time without knowing the specifics of the tech I won't I won't be fully calm, but that definitely still You know, it's a line in man, and that's that's kind of make nervous making Well, I understand but also you have to consider the alternative which is those phones that have a little bit less less storage Get filled up and they if you want to free up the memory You have to go in and decide each photo you want to delete and most of them are going to be good morning photos So even if Google gets it 95 percent bright or 98 percent bright I think most people the alternative is probably worse for the usage of those phones that are completely unusable Yeah, why not a rule why not a rules-based system like Microsoft Outlook? Why can't the user set a rules-based system that says, you know only keep Well, this is actually fairly similar to that It's just operated by Google instead of Microsoft But the rules are also using a little bit of machine learning algorithm to to make the rules more robust. I Know I'm not Want someone to start sending me good morning memes Just start making some friends in India Hey folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to our daily tech headlines show available on the Amazon echo the Google home on the anchor app And at daily tech headlines.com All right, so we gave you the bono fides for Mike at the top of the show And Mike you think that one of the biggest security issues for law enforcement Has more to do with the the public Relations and not PR public relations is the wrong word But the way that people interact with each other rather than just the technical side of things Do I have that right? You do it's it's what I call public report and this is not a new idea There's a famous police innovator in the 19th century in London called Sir Robert Peel and he established these nine principles of policing And I'm not gonna Put you to sleep reading off all nine of them to you but the basic concept that Peel Originated which is still really really popular in police circles at least in Europe But also in the United States is this idea of policing by consent And let me give you an idea of what I mean you take a city like New York There's what nine million people here or something like that And I think the uniform population of the police here is around if you count in you know, Jersey and Port Authority and one you're talking maybe 40 50,000 uniformed officers you cannot police nine million people no matter how well armed the police are no matter how much power They have you can't police nine million people with forty thousand if those people don't want to be police They must consent to be police. They must cooperate with being police. That means they must report crime They must act as intelligence sources. They must welcome the police into their communities and assist them They must treat the police like fellow citizens in order for policing to get done And this is something that police departments across the world understand. That's why you hear you're always hearing about community policing We're focusing on community policing and I'd like to point out that New York City is one of the safest cities in the world because of that focus making sure that police are seen as citizens that they are in neighborhoods that they are connecting to the public and That they are constantly establishing that report that creates trust And I think that that More than anything one of the things I didn't mention in my bonafides was I did patrol law enforcement with the Coast Guard For many years, so it's and I guess cops drive around and pull over cars I drove around and pull over boats, but the principles are the same And the most important thing you can you can do in order to Really have robust crime prevention and do it safely is have a great relationship in my case with the voting public Where I was where I was policing so the the question we Grappled with on this show and we've we've done whole shows about this issue So I don't want to get too sidetracked into the the mechanics of it but is the encryption debate and and the balance between law enforcement's needs to see what's on devices in order to make a case or to even investigate a case Versus our rights as citizens to have something. That's that's private and that's locked up And and the debate seems to be on the law enforcement side Yes, you can have your locks as long as we can get into all of them and the debate on the encryption Professional side is you can't make a lock that only you can get into if you break it for you You break it for everyone. How do you see this debate? I mean I this is a Maybe gonna surprise you since I've been in law enforcement as I agree with the encryption side You cannot make you cannot compromise encryption and keep that strictly in the hands of government It is not going to happen. It isn't possible for it to happen and I think that to say differently is to fundamentally misunderstand encryption technology and That's not really the reasoning though The the reasoning that I think affects me more and keep in mind. I want to see law enforcement be successful. I Want to see us catch bad guys? I want us to see a stop computer crimes And I believe that the report the same report and the same community policing approach that exists in the non Cyberworld is just as relevant in the cyberworld if you go on slash dot if you go on ours If you go on boing boing if you go on the verge On reddit, how are people talking about law enforcement? They're not loving us, right? They're not saying great things It's that report is damaged and when that report is damaged you don't get intelligence sources You don't get people cooperating. It's no secret that law enforcement organizations have a horrible time recruiting skilled IT professionals to work in cyber units and part of that are issues you I'm sure you already know about like pay But other issues are Reputation a lot of people don't want to work for law enforcement Because they make arguments like the argument that the Bureau made wanting a compromise version of Apple's iOS Because they could be trusted to keep it safe Um, and that's assuming that the public doesn't know about Robert Hansen that the public doesn't know about the OPM breach That resulted in my security clearance information being in the hands of the Chinese yeah It's smart and the public knows these things So I think that one of the leaps that I would love to see law enforcement make writ large is Understanding that that same approach to community policing that happens on the street has to happen in cyberspace to Attack world the world of hackers to view law enforcement differently And as long as we approach it as it's it's just another tool and we're gonna bludgeon our way through it We're gonna continue being on the out so we're gonna be cut off from talent But we're also going to be cut off from the kind of cooperation that we really really need to make progress in the field Now given that One of our listeners thought it would be interesting to find out if there are ways to use traditional pre cyber surveillance techniques to Augment cyber efforts like for instance He says do you really use spyware or is that just in the movies? And I think what he's asking is do you need to crack into the phone? Or is there a way to use the more traditional rapport type elements that you're talking about in cyberspace? Well, so I mean obviously I'm not gonna comment on any specific go We call TTPs tactics techniques or procedures that are used in law enforcement But I will say that yes It depends on it's really a case-by-case basis and there's a lot of investigations that you work or Problems you're trying to solve where there is a rapport-based solution Though that I really want to emphasize and this has been true Across the board and you don't need me to tell you this you can read by cases are They are solved by people coming forward and providing information For that relationship with the public is absolutely critical and it's a critical across all aspects of law enforcement. I firmly firmly believe that So Well, let's let's finish off talking about Surveillance and a little bit about what's the need to to find out about other folks Particularly in the US we have we have the situation where you can you can find out what I'm saying to Patrick Beja because Patrick's in another country When is that needed? How much is needed? How do you feel about the the latitude that is being given there? So, I mean, I feel that it is needed, right? I'm certainly not some Privacy extremists to the point where there are legitimate Times and occasions and reasons where surveillance is needed. There are times and reasons where with the supervision of a court system law enforcement professionals and intelligence professionals in some cases need access to private communications in order to prevent crime or in order to prevent international terrorist incidents But the thing I want to keep emphasizing is is that the public's perception of that process Impacts the result of that process so When you are considering what laws you push for and when you are considering how you address public concerns over those laws You need to be thinking about how the public's Reaction to it will impact your ability to continue to prosecute cases So for example, if you're able to hammer through some kind of um, I don't know some kind of backdoor some kind of catch-all surveillance mechanism that alienates the public to the point where you lose all cooperation and you lose all sources where that consent is withdrawn the damage that is Done to law enforcement cases and intelligence cases can exceed the benefit you get from the technology That I really want people to consider Unfortunately, it seems like we're in a situation where a politician trying to put forward this kind of Argument would be about as popular as Prime Minister Robert Peel trying to repeal the corn laws in the 19th century Like it's just it's not very popular. You know, you're a peel guy your appeal student. I could say Yeah, I mean it isn't and we definitely live in a in a climate where fear is really really pegged right now And it's gonna take some bold people to make that case but the but the I think that the case ultimately wins itself because It's an officer safety case and it's a it's a Success in prosecution case the argument I'm making Is a civil liberties argument and isn't is a way I want to live argument But you can even put that argument aside and argue from the point of law enforcement effectiveness that look Peel's argument about policing by consent Was a practical argument This is an effective way to police London This is an effective way to police a society and I think that that that argument ultimately wins out because it's correct Yeah, if you get it inside that helps. Yeah, Patrick go ahead as tech literate people which people who listen to this show usually are I guess part of this making this understandable to people falls on Some of the community. What can we do to to get people's mind in the right place for this to to not be the usual political trapping that it is and saying, you know encryption is The work of the devil and we should break it down for everyone Like what can the community of people who listen to this show and who are tech literate do for that? Tell us a tough question It's a tough question But if I if I could do two things if I could have two things One thing is I really do feel like the at least in social media and on the tech blogs and in the tech community There is I just think it's there is an anti law enforcement sentiment And I don't think it's always deserved and I would love to see the tech community engaging positively with law Enforcement outside the kinds of things where law enforcement is having to go to Twitter or Facebook to get information And I am talking about those community communities like reddit and how people are interacting on Twitter The other thing I would really love to do is see people getting involved in law enforcement in tech It is really really when people think about you know where they're gonna do their summer internships Or where they're gonna do their public service They think about the Peace Corps or they're thinking about Teach for America It's so rare that we get people with real tech skills coming into police forces and and you know being part of that Culture and the other thing is I understand that the military intelligence services and law enforcement are conservative cultures, right? They do change slowly tech tends to be really fast moving There tends to be sometimes social conflicts with those communities But the reality of it is is those social conflicts cannot be unwound unless those communities interact and Someone has to be willing to to step into that into that gap So I would love to see people in the tech community coming and interning coming in and and doing information exchanges and also Giving us more the benefit of the doubt in social media and on forums when they interact with us All right Well that we could talk about this all day We're gonna have to bring you back Mike or maybe even do a DTS labs episode where we can expand on this But thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and helps us come up with these kinds of topics You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and on our Facebook group Facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show real quickly. Let's check the mailbag Sarah You know Tom and Veronica and I were talking yesterday like why would a fitness tracking app or some sort of you know The app that's meant to be good information. That's health related get pulled from the market Dennis B wrote on our blog I'm a radiologist and actually I'm reading a lower extremity doppler exam right now Which made me think of the show when a person is getting information on something like pulse wave velocity readings would be usually pretty innocuous, right? possibly helpful But also possibly detrimental a big problem in the medical imaging industry is unnecessary Further testing this can simply mean wasted money But it also made a patient getting invasive exams and procedures for something the patient never had even had symptoms for Can't really see a patient's primary care physician getting presented with this data And then feeling obliged to order then a big diagnostic ultrasound for example Then that shows findings then the patient sent to a vascular specialist for more test possible intervention all because The bathroom scale said something even though the patient never truly had any complaints and possibly never would which is a really good point Yeah, so this is the radiologist basically saying look the heart rate on your watch Doctors are used to that and they can double check that easily if the patient says hey I had this reading on my Nokia scale There their next step is like well we should we should check that whereas before they may not have known that now You can make the argument that might catch something important too But I guess what the FDA was saying is that scale isn't certified to be worth that yet So let's hold on right then again We also had an email recently from somebody who said that his apple watch told him He was having a heart attack and then the doctor was like yeah, you were yeah And that's the kind of thing that is approved. That's an approved use of that Good stuff though. Good stuff. Thanks, Dennis. Always nice to get an opinion from somebody who's actually in the medical industry Thanks to Patrick Beja of course for being here as you always are on Tuesdays We were worried that you wouldn't be here today, but you Well, I probably won't be here next Tuesday. So, you know, I had to at least show up once for your wife's sake We hope not yes But yeah, if you want to keep up with my Daily wanderings about Pregnancy and labor you can follow me on Twitter I'm not Patrick on there and if you want to listen to my shows There is among others pixels with which is a show about gaming You can find at frenchspin.com or on your podcast listening app You can search for pixels find the pinkish logo and subscribe and you'll have all of the episodes Excellent and thanks also to Mike Cole for being here with us And I echo Tom sentiment that we should just get you on and you should talk to us for a very long time About all these things that you're so good at but in the meantime tell folks where they can keep up with some of your latest work Thanks, so you can go to my website at Mike Cole.com that's spelled m y k e c o l e You can follow me on Twitter at at Mike Cole Spelled the same way and my next novel the armored saint will be coming out from tour on February 20th wherever fine books are sold Excellent go check it out folks. It's good stuff and check out our patreon We've got lots of lots of cool perks over there and we're getting close to the end of the month So we're in our push to make sure we have more Patrons than last month and you could be part of that you could be part of the push if you're not already supporting us Go check it out patreon.com slash DT and s Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show comm we love to hear from you So keep them coming we're live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 21 30 UTC at alphageek radio comm and diamond club TV and our website is daily tech news show comm I'll be out tomorrow But Scott Johnson will be here with Sarah and Roger talk to you then they will This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants comm That was great. Thank you Mike. Thanks guys. I hope my internet was fine for you guys because there were some chunks during the show where I was like Hope no one's asking me a question Okay, cuz right at the end there seemed to be a little bit Right at the end there seemed to be a little bit of like a half beat longer for you to respond than usual. That's probably Okay, well, you know what I will do tomorrow because Tom I still have your ethernet connector Don't let me claim that is my own. It's yours, but it's okay. It's in my possession I'll plug into a plug into ethernet tomorrow cuz I can't When that happens I'd go crazy And Mike I was super awesome though. Yeah, that was great We we stick around on the pre-show while we publish the show and just chat But you know leave whatever you need to leave don't feel like you have to stick around but you're welcome to if you want Okay, thanks Well, I think I might have to leave Check no, no, no, no, just check. She said she was going to try and sleep for a little bit. So all right It's a lot of that. Yeah. No, thanks for being on Patrick. That was good. It was fun It was great and thanks Mike. It was it was really nice meeting you Well, it was a pleasure to meet you too, and I look forward to seeing baby pictures at some point, right? Hopefully all Sure, and whenever you come through Helsinki, let me know we'll go have coffee in a frozen wasteland Bye guys Hey Titles. Yeah, what should we name the show? What could go wrong rapport based solutions? Anthony says no to Twitter No, because his name is no, too. I get it. Yeah, no, too Twitter. No, no, too Snapping out of snapchat. Where did the files go way to flick Flick bait what the flick? Yeah, there's lots of flick puns in here. Let's catch a flick. Yeah PR colon public report you have the right to be reported Cyberbite cyberbite consent If you want to go to showbot.chat realm net people suggest our Titles during the show in our chat room. That's where Roger's reading from. Oh, right. You have a put them in there Roger's not just coming up with these off the top of his head. Yeah All right, but I'm exporting I will I will go about my business. Thank you very very much for having this as well Yeah, thank you. Thank you for being on the show And if there's ever anything I can do I mean even if I'm not on the show if you want me to pump something or whatever just, you know whistling my direction Excellent. Um, are you guys gonna be at either like Seattle comic-con or Phoenix comic-con or Dragoncon or con con con con con con can con You know, there's an outside possibility of dragon con every year because we used to go all the time I'd love to get to Phoenix comic-con if I could figure it out It's just always ends up being at the same weekend as I've got something else going on So I'll let you know I know Sam Sykes who I know knows and likes you is sort of like a de facto unofficial Programming guy there. So if you want I can certainly Make arrangements through him and make that happen So we'd like to see you and let's see Veronica and let us see you guys, too If you feel like going to a nerd convention anytime I Used to go to them all the time. Well, thanks a lot No, thank you for being on the show Okay, guys, I'm gonna sign off. All right. Thanks Mike. See you later. Thank you again Was talking to you guys Yes What's that? He was also talking to you guys about the conferences. Yeah. No, that's right. You didn't hear me reply to I heard you say, yeah, I used to go all the time. Yeah, and I You know, I sure I'd love to I have the same problem Tom does like I'm not busy sounds great What I also have a problem with is so I'm using someone's office, right? This is not just like my area and there's a glass door and and I'm getting the stink. I Okay. Yeah, so If it's okay, luckily, we shouldn't have this problem tomorrow because we've got a boardroom that's um That we've Reserved so I won't be in here, but um, I think I should probably bounce so that I still have friends Okay Hi everybody. All right. Talk to you tomorrow. Well, you'll talk to them tomorrow, but have a good show tomorrow Um What you go wrong? Oh, I've already used rapport-based security solutions because I couldn't wait Okay. Yeah That was good though. I thought Mike was fantastic and I really would Would like this is an example of you know There are topics that I mean this was fine. It worked well, but man, we could have talked about more And I think it would have been a really good round table Would have been a good round table. Yeah, I give it give it a little more air to breathe Oh, or I was even thinking of its own labs episode. We just kind of have an open-ended conversation The around table would be really good too because then you can get a couple more you get you get like that interaction I think that that's a topic like that like screams for all right. Well, I'm gonna Take us off because I've got to get going myself To shoot some tech Republic videos Yeah, don't forget round table this Friday is Shannon Morse and Chris Ashley I don't want to say big Chris, but that would be wrong because that's All right, thanks everybody for watching